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| 00:11.09 | hemna | anyone know if we'll have access to the camera from PDK ? |
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| 00:11.36 | hemna | I tried to get images via gstreamer access in the passed, but it never worked |
| 00:12.26 | hemna | err past |
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| 00:14.11 | alex____ | hi! I have a Pre (with the Spanish Company: Movistar), but I change the firmware to Sprint 1.3.5.1 (because in Spain the 1.3.5.2 arrives very later), but now I have problems to install some apps, for example: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.forwebos.rtycoonpac It isn't unavailable to my country... can I install it via ipk or remove my appcatalog restriction? |
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| 00:23.17 | bpadalino | i found a cute bug in the lock screen .. |
| 00:24.00 | bpadalino | if you have the web browser open and full card under neath ... lock the phone, then power it back up and toggle the mute switch .. depending on orientation, you can get the volume icon to move back and forth |
| 00:24.02 | bpadalino | kind of amusing |
| 00:25.51 | Kyusaku | I think I've seen that but thought the theme I had did that |
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| 00:27.10 | bpadalino | no themes here .. |
| 00:28.36 | Kyusaku | figured, just saying |
| 00:30.10 | bpadalino | :) |
| 00:33.51 | destinal | alex____: if you have the ipk you can install it by hand, but I don't know how you get the ipk if you don't |
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| 00:35.37 | alex____ | destinal: I can't understand the restriction, because the package is free... I can understand it if I need pay for it, because the billing could be complex, but a free app... it have no sense (I think) |
| 00:37.18 | destinal | alex____: I agree, this region locking is silly. does your phone still let you install spain-only apps but not north america only ones? |
| 00:37.58 | destinal | I suspect you'd need someone to create you a palm profile on a north american pre to fix it, but then you'd lose the ability to install any spain apps |
| 00:38.01 | destinal | from the catalog |
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| 00:41.55 | alex____ | destinal: to be or not to be... that's the question :) |
| 00:42.16 | alex____ | I need sleep, here is 1.41am and I wake up at 8am see u! and thanks |
| 00:44.14 | destinal | Enable LED notifications is winning the precentral poll on which patch they want palm to integrate into webos, at 2050 votes |
| 00:46.48 | hmagoo | the phone app sucks so bad |
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| 00:59.22 | xcomp | attempts to build the evas gl_sdl engine for the first time ... |
| 01:01.15 | dtzWill | xcomp: gl_sdl, as in on your pc or have you hacked it for gles? |
| 01:01.43 | xcomp | dtzWill: testing on my pc first, but it already has gles support |
| 01:04.53 | xcomp | hmm..forgot to set up a couple of m4 macros |
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| 01:31.05 | destinal-wirc | xcomp: how do you have gl-es on pc? |
| 01:31.21 | xcomp | destinal-wirc: i'm testing with regular gl first |
| 01:31.26 | xcomp | engine has to work with both |
| 01:32.38 | dtzWill | destinal-wirc: pvr has gles emulator, fwiw |
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| 01:33.29 | xcomp | i also need to stage gles headers in cross-compile |
| 01:33.34 | xcomp | i don't think they're there yet |
| 01:33.57 | xcomp | and tbh, that's a tricky proposition |
| 01:34.09 | dtzWill | xcomp: no i don't think they are--since everything thus far uses sdl_opengles.h |
| 01:34.22 | xcomp | as I think those headers have platform-dependent stuff |
| 01:34.37 | dtzWill | xcomp: although actually--why wouldn't gl-sdl driver in evas not be using sdl_opengl(es).h ? |
| 01:35.01 | TheInvsbleMan | Erm is it weird that I have 18 cards open right now? I didn't know I could have that many |
| 01:35.15 | dtzWill | TheInvsbleMan: i think the word you're looking for is "AWESOME" |
| 01:35.27 | TheInvsbleMan | haha that could be it |
| 01:35.29 | xcomp | dtzWill: you're right ... but I need to make sure that all the symbols evas uses are actually present in that header file |
| 01:35.37 | xcomp | it does use SDL_opengl.h |
| 01:35.55 | TheInvsbleMan | I was trying to cause a too many cards error but can't seem to open enough cards haha |
| 01:36.05 | destinal-wirc | AMD seems to have gles2 emu |
| 01:37.48 | dtzWill | xcomp: of course, no good if they don't expose things. i'd be surprised if they didn't expose things that were in libGLESv2 or GLES_CM, but shrug. |
| 01:38.16 | xcomp | yeah, egl symbols nowhere to be found in those headers... |
| 01:38.33 | TheInvsbleMan | dtzWill: the 23rd card just gave me the error haha |
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| 01:39.04 | xcomp | well...it's not an insurmountable problem |
| 01:39.14 | xcomp | let me try and see if the generic GL stuff works first |
| 01:40.08 | dtzWill | xcomp: oh yeah egl stuff is a different issue |
| 01:40.25 | dtzWill | xcomp: egl stuff does have platform-dependent issues; i didn't see any easy way to fix them at the time |
| 01:41.02 | dtzWill | xcomp: might be my ignorance, but the egl headers need to typedef things like "EGlnativewindow".. and the normal linux ones do that to x11 objects. clearly not what webos does... |
| 01:41.40 | xcomp | yep...that's exactly what i mean |
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| 01:42.20 | xcomp | i assume there is only one window and that is the SDL current surface |
| 01:42.49 | xcomp | but would it be right to typedef EGLNativeWindow as SDL_Surface? |
| 01:42.53 | xcomp | i don't know |
| 01:44.02 | dtzWill | xcomp: yeah, i absolutely have no idea. |
| 01:45.54 | jacques | howdy |
| 01:46.20 | dtzWill | xcomp: but their sdl code uses egl too. was hoping for some insights there but i don't see any. just fyi i suppose |
| 01:46.52 | dtzWill | jacques: hiya :) |
| 01:47.05 | destinal-wirc | the palm patch? |
| 01:47.20 | jacques | egl == opengl es ? |
| 01:47.24 | dtzWill | xcomp: if you figure out egl headers lemme know i'm interested in staged gles/egl headers stuff |
| 01:47.37 | dtzWill | jacques: http://www.khronos.org/egl/ |
| 01:47.47 | dtzWill | jacques: egl is basically the native part of the whole deal |
| 01:48.08 | jacques | goes to read that page. |
| 01:48.25 | dtzWill | destinal-wirc: well i was looking at the patched libsdl, didn't check if the egl stuff came from the patch or not. |
| 01:48.43 | jacques | I have a lot of reading to do - I just bought the opengl es 2.0 programming guide last night |
| 01:48.49 | dtzWill | jacques: didn't mean to be a jerk "READ THIS"--just....that was written by people who arguably can explain it significantly better than i can :D |
| 01:50.27 | dtzWill | jacques: oh nice. the opengles-book.com book? |
| 01:50.43 | dtzWill | jacques: sorry i checked the website and it looks like it :) |
| 01:51.03 | jacques | dtzWill: yep, all $60 of it |
| 01:51.16 | dtzWill | hey has anyone tried porting qt? :) |
| 01:51.33 | dtzWill | or building/running it, not sure what "porting" would be required. |
| 01:52.03 | jacques | wonders why weechat is showing a lag of 12.9 seconds |
| 01:54.04 | VincentLaw | hiya dtzWill :p |
| 01:54.11 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: hey :D |
| 01:54.32 | jacques | so there are many libs in /usr/lib with EGL in their names |
| 01:55.00 | jacques | along with /usr/lib/egl/libeglsubdrv.so |
| 01:55.49 | dtzWill | jacques: right--and the method headers are relatively easy to get (provided by khronos). afaict that isn't an issue--that is to say headers that define the symbols exported in the egl libs shouldn't be difficult to get |
| 01:55.58 | dtzWill | jacques: but to make them usable, their types .. i think that's the sticker. |
| 01:56.24 | dtzWill | jacques: and i'm not sure if that information is something that can be extracted from a lib |
| 01:56.37 | dtzWill | jacques: maybe? if it does it's a more than objdump and nm :D |
| 01:57.10 | jacques | no, I don;t think that can be extracted :-\ |
| 01:57.21 | dtzWill | EGLWindow, EGLSurface, etc, are all native. i guess they're some luna type?!? lol o_O |
| 01:57.53 | jacques | does luna use egl at all? |
| 01:57.55 | dtzWill | jacques: yeah, typedefs don't get exported :P. but it might be possible with some introspection on the implementation of the methods... but that's... crazy, and possibly impossible :) |
| 01:58.19 | dtzWill | jacques: no idea. but sdl talks to luna, and sdl uses egl. frankly i'm not sure of who uses who, just that they are all in it together :) |
| 01:58.34 | dtzWill | jacques: i am interested in clearing that up; just i don't know |
| 01:58.40 | jacques | maybe I should take another look at the SDL patches |
| 01:58.40 | xcomp | if you're using SDL, you should never need to worry about a native luna type |
| 01:58.54 | xcomp | it has to be something defined in SDL |
| 01:58.59 | xcomp | that's why I believe it is SDL_Surface |
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| 01:59.33 | jacques | just call IMGeglGetCurrentSurface (*ducks*) |
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| 02:00.08 | dtzWill | xcomp: maybe? i'm not sure then the role egl plays in sdl (why does sdl include egl headers if egl is defined with respect to sdl types?) |
| 02:00.28 | dtzWill | xcomp: but quite possibly, and you seem to have a good idea of the things :) |
| 02:00.33 | jacques | maybe we could do something with preloaded lib stubs ? |
| 02:00.34 | xcomp | dtzWill: the idea is that if you're using SDL for opengl, then the native display system should be completely abstracted to you |
| 02:00.53 | xcomp | and anything you're doing natively is handled by SDL |
| 02:01.02 | dtzWill | xcomp: oh, that's what you're saying. |
| 02:01.18 | dtzWill | xcomp: absolutely, and completely agreed. that's a big part of the utility of sdl, etc. |
| 02:01.21 | xcomp | so unless palm is inexplicably violating that framework, i don't see how it could be anything not in SDL_*.h |
| 02:01.31 | jacques | I read about that a couple of years ago - create stub libs with same symbols and preload them, passing the call through to the real lib |
| 02:02.02 | dtzWill | jacques: yeah some proxy lib. what would we do that for? to try to see what the types are? |
| 02:02.17 | jacques | dtzWill: that was my thought |
| 02:02.31 | dtzWill | xcomp: well but sdl uses egl, which is why it seems odd for sdl (which defines SDL_Surface) to include egl (which defines EGLSurface (or whatever) to SDL_Surface). |
| 02:02.42 | destinal-wirc | jacques: doesn't ltrace do it for you? |
| 02:02.47 | dtzWill | xcomp: that kinda circular dependency might be going on i suppose, but wasn't my first thought |
| 02:03.09 | jacques | destinal-wirc: maybe. I don't know the full capabilities of ltrace |
| 02:03.33 | xcomp | dtzWill: yeah i don't know the details of that |
| 02:03.34 | jacques | does "ipkg-opt install ltrace" |
| 02:03.44 | xcomp | i just thought sdl_surface would be the most obvious candidate |
| 02:04.00 | xcomp | but I'm an SDL newb myself so there might be something I don't know |
| 02:05.07 | dtzWill | xcomp: okay. so we both don't know hehe :). |
| 02:05.15 | dtzWill | xcomp: add to the long list of things to figure out, heh |
| 02:06.09 | xcomp | yeah |
| 02:06.24 | xcomp | the good news is that if it is in fact something defined in SDL then it's only a matter of time before we find out |
| 02:06.58 | jacques | I wonder if it would be instructive to look at SDL 1.3 as it has GLES support |
| 02:07.19 | jacques | though I think I know why palm did not use SDL 1.3 |
| 02:07.44 | dtzWill | jacques: why? :) |
| 02:07.48 | jacques | apart from it being unreleased, apparently it's much slower than 1.2 in some operations |
| 02:08.17 | jacques | if app code is re-written to use what they call the "new API" apparently it can be massively faster |
| 02:08.38 | jacques | but compiling "old API" code for SDL 1.3 can result in much slower performance |
| 02:09.01 | xcomp | segv! woohoo |
| 02:09.05 | jacques | apparently someone was looking at that issue |
| 02:09.48 | geist | yeah,i think that's precisely why |
| 02:10.07 | jacques | howdy geist |
| 02:10.25 | geist | hiya |
| 02:17.38 | dBsooner | sslow: ping |
| 02:17.49 | xcomp | bahahaha it works |
| 02:18.05 | xcomp | first step on the way to world domination |
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| 02:20.15 | zsoc | xcomp: did you push anywhere> |
| 02:20.27 | destinal-wirc | what works? |
| 02:21.30 | zsoc | destinal-wirc: gl_sdl evas engine |
| 02:21.52 | zsoc | wants to run expedite with gl engine on his pre... |
| 02:22.44 | xcomp | only sdl_gl on X11 now |
| 02:22.51 | xcomp | i still need to test gles |
| 02:23.03 | xcomp | but I have to commit this to svn first |
| 02:23.08 | jacques | cool |
| 02:23.24 | zsoc | xcomp: backwards :p gl_sdl xD, and gl_common is 100% gles 2.0 compatible |
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| 02:23.56 | zsoc | xcomp: also, you must commit to svn before i publicly explain how awesome you are ;) |
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| 02:27.38 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 02:28.00 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: we need a bigger smiley |
| 02:28.18 | dBsooner | ? |
| 02:28.21 | PuffTheMagic | (c:< |
| 02:28.27 | zsoc | nice |
| 02:31.01 | VincentLaw | anyone else having trouble updating feeds? mine keeps stalling |
| 02:31.37 | Smubeht | can someone help me with this virtual keyboard im seeing delete media/internal/virtual-keyboard i do that and then install obsolete and then restart then install vk and i get ipkg error |
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| 02:31.49 | dBsooner | VincentLaw: nope. What if you "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update" |
| 02:31.50 | Smubeht | ive looked all over and only soltuion i havent tried is partial reset |
| 02:31.56 | Smubeht | but i did not want to do that if it was avoidable |
| 02:32.18 | dBsooner | Smubeht: ask egaudet |
| 02:32.46 | diov6 | does any1 know how to create a webos app repo (feed) |
| 02:33.03 | VincentLaw | dBsooner: works fine doing that, apparently. but in preware, it stalls? |
| 02:33.15 | xcomp | zsoc: committed |
| 02:33.16 | dBsooner | which one is it stalling on? |
| 02:33.23 | xcomp | now to tackle gles |
| 02:33.53 | VincentLaw | dBsooner: it changes. before it was webos itnernals arm7, now it's precentral's |
| 02:34.02 | VincentLaw | it's stalling on download, btw |
| 02:34.11 | zsoc | xcomp: tackle what gles? |
| 02:34.23 | xcomp | zsoc: i mean try to build it against gles |
| 02:34.30 | zsoc | VincentLaw: download is, effectively "update" |
| 02:34.31 | dBsooner | VincentLaw: try tapping the screen repeatedly while its updating |
| 02:34.47 | zsoc | xcomp: it's gles compatible already, unless you missed some glx snippets? |
| 02:34.54 | dBsooner | zsoc: he means "downloading the gz's".. not the loading them |
| 02:35.05 | zsoc | dBsooner: right, the "download" part is the update part ;) |
| 02:35.09 | xcomp | zsoc: yeah I just haven't compiled in that environment yet :) |
| 02:35.14 | dBsooner | nah |
| 02:35.16 | xcomp | i just tested in x11 |
| 02:35.17 | dBsooner | update is update |
| 02:35.18 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 02:35.24 | zsoc | xcomp: ah, well you did the hard part mate |
| 02:35.38 | xcomp | yeah at this point i know my SDL stuff is good |
| 02:35.56 | VincentLaw | wow, odd dBsooner, that did seem to make it go. wtf? |
| 02:36.12 | VincentLaw | is that a known bug now? |
| 02:36.14 | dBsooner | I am getting that too. |
| 02:36.18 | dBsooner | I have no idea what is causing it. |
| 02:36.30 | xcomp | i already added some autoconf checks for Palm GLES defines that are not present in stock SDL_video.h |
| 02:36.37 | dBsooner | egaudet and destinal thought they knew.. but now they aren't so sure. |
| 02:37.40 | egaudet | knew what? |
| 02:38.12 | dBsooner | what's causing the Preware to get stuck during download of Packages.gz's |
| 02:38.14 | zsoc | xcomp: er.. committed where? i don't see it on the trac.. |
| 02:38.20 | dBsooner | egaudet: ^^ |
| 02:38.33 | xcomp | zsoc: i just made two commits to evas and expedite |
| 02:38.56 | egaudet | who is having it get stuck? |
| 02:39.20 | dBsooner | me |
| 02:39.25 | dBsooner | and now VincentLaw |
| 02:39.45 | egaudet | dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice |
| 02:39.52 | egaudet | I haven't heard of anything getting stuck before |
| 02:40.46 | VincentLaw | it happens during download of the .gz |
| 02:40.52 | VincentLaw | and not always the same one |
| 02:41.16 | zsoc | xcomp: oh... was it not trunk? |
| 02:41.28 | xcomp | zsoc: it is in trunk |
| 02:41.37 | xcomp | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/evas |
| 02:41.37 | egaudet | what does the dbus capture say |
| 02:41.43 | egaudet | and what happens when it "freezes" |
| 02:41.50 | egaudet | and what version of webos are you on |
| 02:41.53 | egaudet | and what version of ipkgservice |
| 02:41.55 | egaudet | and preware |
| 02:42.29 | xcomp | egltypes.h -- that's the file we don't have :) |
| 02:43.03 | dBsooner | bingo |
| 02:43.05 | dBsooner | found the problem |
| 02:43.07 | dBsooner | I'll pm you |
| 02:43.09 | xcomp | and I think I'm just going to define everything as void* |
| 02:43.13 | VincentLaw | latest version that's on preware of ipkg and preware, running 1.3.5.1 (latest sprint), and it doesn't "freeze" merely will not continue downloading the next patch. spinner keeps spinning, but nothing happens |
| 02:44.20 | zsoc | xcomp: uh.. i have that header if you need? not sure where i got it ho |
| 02:44.51 | xcomp | zsoc: i'd certainly like to see it |
| 02:44.53 | dBsooner | VincentLaw: do you have command line access? |
| 02:45.12 | VincentLaw | yes I do |
| 02:45.19 | dBsooner | fire up command line |
| 02:45.20 | VincentLaw | although it doesn't seem to stall now that I did that tapping thing >.> |
| 02:45.25 | VincentLaw | already up |
| 02:45.31 | dBsooner | turn off wifi |
| 02:45.37 | zsoc | xcomp: yeah, let me track down where i got it from and find out the correct distribution method |
| 02:45.40 | dBsooner | so you are using cellular data |
| 02:45.53 | VincentLaw | wifi off |
| 02:46.31 | dBsooner | VincentLaw: in command prompt: dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice |
| 02:46.41 | dBsooner | then fire up Preware |
| 02:46.51 | VincentLaw | oh doh |
| 02:46.57 | VincentLaw | lost command line when I turned off wifi :p |
| 02:46.59 | VincentLaw | lemme usb it |
| 02:47.03 | dBsooner | lol |
| 02:47.25 | acydlord | http://i.imgur.com/oRffH.jpg |
| 02:48.19 | VincentLaw | okay dBsooner what now |
| 02:48.31 | dBsooner | did Preware load fully? |
| 02:48.40 | VincentLaw | yeah, but it was before after doing your tapping trick :/ |
| 02:49.06 | dBsooner | ahh. Ok. Probably just a fluke then. Go ahead and "ctrl+c" your dbus-util command |
| 02:49.22 | VincentLaw | what did you find, anyway? :p |
| 02:49.41 | dBsooner | a permissions issue |
| 02:49.49 | dBsooner | talking with com.palm.luna |
| 02:50.05 | dBsooner | But I think I am just 'special' |
| 02:50.06 | VincentLaw | ah |
| 02:50.13 | VincentLaw | if it does it again, I'll log it |
| 02:50.27 | dBsooner | please. |
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| 02:50.49 | diov6 | does any1 know how to create a webos app feed |
| 02:51.05 | dBsooner | diov6: do you mean actually creating the FEED with the packages and everything? |
| 02:51.10 | dBsooner | or do you mean adding a feed into preware? |
| 02:51.14 | diov6 | yea |
| 02:51.34 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, what was that easy way to call another private service from a C service? |
| 02:51.39 | diov6 | dBsooner: im looking into making one |
| 02:51.51 | dBsooner | diov6: That's something that isn't easy to explain. |
| 02:52.47 | egaudet | ipkg-utils |
| 02:53.26 | dBsooner | exactly.. Look into ipkg-utils |
| 02:53.31 | diov6 | dBsooner: i've been checking out ipkg.preware.org/feeds and ive noticed all the feeds have Packages.txt and Packages.gz but, some also have packages.stamps what is that |
| 02:53.42 | diov6 | where can i find ipkg-utils |
| 02:53.53 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i dont recall off hand but its there in the header |
| 02:53.54 | dBsooner | the .stamps is for keys |
| 02:54.30 | dBsooner | http://lmgtfy.com/?=ipkg-utils |
| 02:54.31 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, I found com.palm.applicationManager/updateLaunchPointIcon |
| 02:54.36 | dBsooner | ^^i love that site. :) |
| 02:54.36 | egaudet | but it doesn't work with luna-send |
| 02:54.46 | egaudet | doesn't like the "calling app" |
| 02:54.51 | diov6 | dBsooner: thanks for your help! |
| 02:54.59 | dBsooner | Hehehe.. no problem. |
| 02:55.27 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: what do u think it does? |
| 02:55.34 | dBsooner | I think rwhitby is going to scold me for using lmgtfy so much. |
| 02:55.37 | PuffTheMagic | sounds like the same thing as rescan in lunamanger |
| 02:56.13 | egaudet | no it takes launchPointId: and icon: |
| 02:56.19 | egaudet | icon = path to icon.png |
| 02:56.25 | egaudet | launchPointId = app id |
| 02:56.27 | diov6 | lol. its just a url shortener :P |
| 02:56.44 | dBsooner | egaudet: are you working on themes again? |
| 02:57.10 | egaudet | rescan is applicationManager/rescan |
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| 03:13.57 | oc80z | whats good |
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| 03:18.05 | destinal-home | dBsooner: what did we think we knew? |
| 03:19.03 | destinal-home | dBsooner: I do think it's kind of harsh to lmgtfy someone something with something they couldn't have known to search for |
| 03:19.20 | dBsooner | I just love lmgtfy |
| 03:19.23 | destinal-home | :P |
| 03:20.00 | oc80z | there is a backend to it, where you can see what people are posting |
| 03:20.21 | oc80z | http://live.lmgtfy.com/ |
| 03:22.11 | zsoc | oc80z: ok, i have seen both chinese and korean lol |
| 03:22.30 | zsoc | and japanese katakana for what i think is 'toronto' |
| 03:22.42 | destinal-home | lol |
| 03:22.47 | destinal-home | someong googled MP3 to flac |
| 03:22.53 | destinal-home | "?:.l;p'[ |
| 03:23.09 | oc80z | yep |
| 03:23.30 | destinal-home | like, wait, I want those bits back |
| 03:23.37 | oc80z | haha |
| 03:23.39 | oc80z | yep |
| 03:24.03 | oc80z | ..back to when the king took flight |
| 03:24.13 | oc80z | .fr rev |
| 03:43.55 | destinal-home | So it's always cool when co-workers get a new pixi or pre and start telling me about preware :) |
| 03:44.14 | bpadalino | really? they're telling you about it ? |
| 03:44.22 | bpadalino | i have yet to meet anyone at work who has a pre or pixi |
| 03:44.50 | destinal-home | I have like 5 people on my floor in my building who do |
| 03:45.05 | destinal-home | but as I said the other day, I think it's contagious |
| 03:45.22 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 03:46.38 | zsoc | destinal-home: I had 5 people say "hey did you see doom" to me at work |
| 03:46.45 | destinal-home | zsoc: hahaha |
| 03:46.48 | destinal-home | awesome |
| 03:46.50 | zsoc | i just kind of laughed, not even sure what to say to that |
| 03:47.05 | destinal-home | I usually just reply like, yeah, that's cool! |
| 03:47.09 | destinal-home | :P |
| 03:47.10 | zsoc | people are always telling me about this webos-internals update or that preware update |
| 03:47.10 | bpadalino | zsoc, nice |
| 03:47.24 | zsoc | i'm like "yeah that's interesting". |
| 03:47.32 | destinal-home | haha |
| 03:47.48 | zsoc | I mean what's the other answer? "I was around while the idea was being formulated and I do general user support on the subject in my spare time" |
| 03:48.26 | destinal-home | zsoc: you should really take more credit for the doom one though :) |
| 03:49.00 | zsoc | destinal-home: you actually did all the brainstorming, although i'll admit i did actually go "do something" ha, but you told me it would work |
| 03:49.43 | destinal-home | zsoc: I'll admit, a lot of cool things have been kicked off by my brainstorming but actually putting ideas into action is a big thing |
| 03:49.51 | destinal-home | and usually others do that :P |
| 03:51.33 | destinal-home | ideas are low-effort. |
| 03:51.36 | destinal-home | usually |
| 03:51.44 | zsoc | no |
| 03:51.50 | zsoc | mimicry is low effort |
| 03:52.05 | zsoc | memorization is low effort |
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| 03:53.59 | sup_ | whats up guys |
| 03:54.00 | destinal-home | speaking of ideas, I think I have all the pieces needed to do real dual boot (other linuxes included), but, unfortunately it requires modifying partition1, "nvram area", which should cause you to go running and screaming. |
| 03:54.05 | destinal-home | or at least making a backup |
| 03:55.56 | rick-home | AAAAHAhhhhhhhrrrrrgggggg [[[runs from room ]]] |
| 03:56.19 | destinal-home | rick-home: lol |
| 03:56.20 | zsoc | destinal-home: that's bricking territory no? or is that partition2? |
| 03:56.26 | destinal-home | well, yes and no |
| 03:56.45 | destinal-home | you can't brick a pre |
| 03:56.49 | destinal-home | short of hardware damage |
| 03:56.58 | sslow | dbsooner: ping |
| 03:57.11 | zsoc | destinal-home: er... i thought there were very low level software areas that corruption would destroy? |
| 03:57.12 | dBsooner | sslow: bigger screenshots |
| 03:57.20 | destinal-home | zsoc: nope, not really |
| 03:57.43 | destinal-home | zsoc: bootie is on flash disk but you can also boot it via USB (OMAP has a specific function for that) |
| 03:57.44 | dBsooner | sslow: and your transluscent top bar scrim, does it REQUIRE a different patch? |
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| 03:57.55 | zsoc | destinal-home: ah ok, i'm on board then |
| 03:57.59 | destinal-home | zsoc: wait first |
| 03:58.03 | destinal-home | zsoc: there's bad news |
| 03:58.43 | destinal-home | zsoc: partition1, referred to as "nvram area" because it serves a similar function to nvram on most mobile devices is really important to your handheld mobile computer actually being a phone |
| 03:58.47 | sslow | dbsooner:no it work but is not compatible w/ any battery patch |
| 03:59.07 | dBsooner | sslow: ok, so it is a standalone. |
| 03:59.17 | sslow | yes |
| 03:59.18 | destinal-home | zsoc: it includes MEID / IMEI and calibration data for accelerometers and batteries and just lots of stuff |
| 03:59.23 | dBsooner | sslow: ok |
| 03:59.24 | zsoc | got it |
| 03:59.29 | dBsooner | sslow: now gimme bigger screenshots |
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| 03:59.58 | sslow | gimme a couple of min |
| 04:00.05 | destinal-home | zsoc: we can make a utility to totally build a device from blank flash disk, but without the tokens stored there it won't be the same |
| 04:00.07 | jacques | destinal-home: can we backit up and restore it? |
| 04:00.09 | sslow | minutes |
| 04:00.16 | destinal-home | jacques: yes, we can indeed |
| 04:00.27 | dBsooner | ok |
| 04:00.47 | rwong | quick yes/no? google maps pulling speed information from my Pre GPS.. does it still do it while the phone is locked (but app open)? |
| 04:01.16 | jacques | maybe |
| 04:01.40 | rwong | when i unlock, the app takes a while to update/reposition itself.. and i want to send to google but screen keep slocking |
| 04:02.15 | ird | I was wondering.. |
| 04:02.29 | ird | Would SNES emulation be feasable? |
| 04:02.35 | ird | Or would it be too slow? |
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| 04:03.13 | zsoc | ird: snes is easier than gba, in theory |
| 04:03.32 | jacques | ird: they are working on it for openpandora using the GPU |
| 04:04.07 | ird | awesome :D |
| 04:04.31 | destinal-home | ird: the nokia N900 has same CPU, runs well apparently. I'd like to port their emulator actually |
| 04:04.39 | destinal-home | but it would need dehildonizing |
| 04:05.02 | destinal-home | it's like DrNokSnes or something |
| 04:05.13 | ird | Your search - dehildonizing - did not match any documents. |
| 04:05.19 | ird | :p |
| 04:05.30 | sup_ | Since the Pre Plus has the double the ram, does it really make that much of a difference guys? |
| 04:05.41 | ird | sup_: you can run more apps |
| 04:05.52 | bpadalino | it makes all the difference in the amount of ram in the device |
| 04:06.14 | ird | I'd rather see double the cpu :p |
| 04:06.15 | jacques | 100% difference in amount of RAM |
| 04:06.26 | sslow | dbsooner: launcher black font http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-33.jpg translucent top bar http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-30.jpg |
| 04:06.29 | sup_ | Does more ram speed up the device? |
| 04:06.31 | dBsooner | egaudet: where the hell did you go? |
| 04:06.34 | dBsooner | thanks sslow! |
| 04:06.41 | ird | sup_: not really. |
| 04:06.50 | jacques | sup_: only if the device is RAM constrained |
| 04:06.55 | sslow | dbsooner: thank you |
| 04:07.08 | sup_ | I see, So it basically helps running more things at one. |
| 04:07.12 | dBsooner | sslow: I am just waiting on egaudet before I push off this group of patches |
| 04:07.21 | sup_ | What are the maximum apps a Pre could run if its fully optimized? |
| 04:07.30 | Abyssul | dBsooner: Why did I get a patches email? |
| 04:07.38 | dBsooner | Abyssul: ignore it |
| 04:07.39 | sslow | dbsoonre: no problem here I know your busy |
| 04:07.42 | Abyssul | sup_: Give or take 15 |
| 04:07.53 | sslow | dbsooner: no problem here I know your busy |
| 04:08.03 | Abyssul | dBsooner: We need a download count for patches :p |
| 04:08.04 | ird | sup_: http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-plus-vs-palm-pre-multitasking-mayhem |
| 04:08.07 | sup_ | So if 15 is the Max it could run? |
| 04:08.33 | sup_ | Ird, I find it hard to believe that double the ram has such a HUGE improvement, I mean, 10-15 compared to 50+? |
| 04:08.41 | sup_ | Software has to have something to do with this, do you agree? |
| 04:08.51 | sup_ | If the Pre plus could run 50 so smoothly (with some lag) |
| 04:09.05 | sup_ | shouldnt the pre comfortably run at least HALF. which would be 25 |
| 04:09.06 | ird | I don't think you could run 50 apps that were actually doing something. |
| 04:09.09 | ird | Most of his were just webpages. |
| 04:09.11 | Abyssul | RAM issue, theres probably little that software could do |
| 04:09.27 | Abyssul | Why would you run more than 10 apps at once anyways |
| 04:09.33 | ird | Exactly. |
| 04:09.43 | ird | I only run 3 or 4 at most. |
| 04:09.44 | sup_ | Abyssul, So the pre could comfortably run 10 apps right? |
| 04:09.45 | bpadalino | i want to run 10 instances of need for speed |
| 04:09.48 | jacques | sup_: remember the OS also uses RAM |
| 04:09.54 | Abyssul | sup_: Depends what programs |
| 04:10.01 | ird | bpadalino: what about NFS and Xplane at the same time! |
| 04:10.04 | sup_ | How many do you comfortably run? |
| 04:10.17 | Abyssul | ird: I think that could be done |
| 04:10.27 | ird | But pointless :p |
| 04:10.27 | Abyssul | sup_: I run no more than 5 at a time |
| 04:10.28 | bpadalino | it would be amusing if they both didn't pause .. and you tried controlling both at the same time |
| 04:10.43 | jacques | let's say the OS uses 128MiB RAM, leaving 128 MiB for apps, (in a 256MiB device) on a 512MiB device, there would be 384 MiB for apps - 3x as much |
| 04:10.43 | ird | Split screen. |
| 04:10.47 | sup_ | Abyssul, does it lag when you run 5? |
| 04:10.51 | sup_ | or it runs smooth? |
| 04:10.58 | Abyssul | sup_: Pretty smooth |
| 04:11.12 | sup_ | nice. |
| 04:11.16 | Abyssul | Does good until the memory leaks kick in |
| 04:11.24 | Abyssul | but that will happen to any Pre |
| 04:11.44 | sup_ | nice. |
| 04:11.50 | sup_ | I just ordered a German pre |
| 04:11.55 | sup_ | so I am quite excited. |
| 04:11.56 | destinal-home | ird: search hildonize and think the reverse |
| 04:12.44 | Abyssul | sup_: I felt pretty thrilled when I was playing Quake, listening to Pandora, and texting at the same time |
| 04:13.02 | Abyssul | Especially with the advanced gestures, it was so elegant |
| 04:14.37 | ird | destinal-home: way ahead of you :D |
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| 04:16.31 | jacques | shouldn't it be "de-hildon" ? |
| 04:16.46 | jacques | the app is already hildonized |
| 04:16.51 | sup_ | Is the Pre as powerful as the N900? |
| 04:17.04 | jacques | ize == apply, de == remove |
| 04:17.17 | Abyssul | I found out how to change the default search engine for the browser |
| 04:17.20 | zsoc | jacques: is that like irregardless? :p |
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| 04:18.24 | jacques | zsoc: quite, indeed |
| 04:19.06 | sup_ | How many of you guys here are developers? |
| 04:19.48 | zsoc | sup_: I suppose all of the ones with the +'s at least? |
| 04:20.03 | xcomp | developers developers developers developers |
| 04:20.09 | destinal-home | ducks |
| 04:20.18 | Abyssul | RUN |
| 04:20.33 | sup_ | I know there is a patch to change QWERTZ to QWERTY however, can I physically change it? any advice? |
| 04:20.34 | destinal-home | narrowly dodges a flying chair |
| 04:20.35 | zsoc | although calling _some_ of us developers is really ... a stretch |
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| 04:20.47 | sup_ | 02901001558000106547 |
| 04:20.51 | xcomp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE |
| 04:20.55 | destinal-home | sup_: Indeed. |
| 04:21.12 | Abyssul | sup_: I believe that has to do with Meta-doctor |
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| 04:21.40 | destinal-home | sup_: I think you can physically _swap_ it with a keyboard from a pre, but I don't know if anyone has proved it yet. |
| 04:21.49 | destinal-home | I know rod was going to try |
| 04:22.23 | xcomp | and for good measure, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc&NR=1 |
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| 04:24.13 | Abyssul | xcomp: WTF is this!? |
| 04:24.22 | Abyssul | A little girl screaming? |
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| 04:25.40 | jacques | aww, I thought it was expedite running on gles |
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| 04:25.54 | xcomp | heheheh |
| 04:27.31 | xenoph0be | doobie doobie doo |
| 04:32.36 | dtzWill | speaking of which, anyone have an update on the snes work that was being done? |
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| 04:35.56 | castle` | haaay |
| 04:36.33 | cryptk|work | hows it goin |
| 04:37.18 | destinal-home | dtzWill: uh, so, I compiled snes9x for ARM, it didn't run full speed or have sound and I think a different emulator (drnoksnes) will run significanly faster. |
| 04:38.23 | destinal-home | dtzWill: I can put up what I have in nonworking but I think we'd be going down the wrong path throwing too much time into it |
| 04:39.07 | destinal-home | I could be wrong, of course |
| 04:39.46 | dtzWill | destinal-home: drnoksnes looked like the most likely candidate when i was giving it a look a while back |
| 04:39.57 | destinal-home | it just needs dehildonizing I imagine |
| 04:40.07 | xcomp | ok ... it builds now |
| 04:40.17 | xcomp | dammit I need a faster cpu |
| 04:40.59 | zsoc | xcomp: ftw |
| 04:41.26 | xcomp | yeah, I think I can safely say we won't be distributing GLES headers |
| 04:41.42 | xcomp | just tell people how to get them |
| 04:42.06 | dtzWill | xcomp: errr why's that? |
| 04:42.14 | xcomp | dtzWill: because they're not open source |
| 04:42.32 | dtzWill | xcomp: oh. well that's a good reason :). |
| 04:42.34 | xcomp | err... wait a minute |
| 04:42.35 | destinal-home | xcomp: can the stager download them? |
| 04:42.35 | cryptk|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.02 | dtzWill | xcomp: where _are_ these headers from? haha. you mean the egl stuff? (B/c the gles headers themselves are definitely open from khronos, right?) |
| 04:43.09 | xcomp | it IS open source -SGI license |
| 04:43.11 | xcomp | sweet |
| 04:43.15 | zsoc | er, but can distribute binaries compiled against non opensource headers? no? |
| 04:43.16 | dtzWill | destinal-home: what's (de-)hildonizing? |
| 04:43.29 | zsoc | xcomp: yeah I said sgi :p |
| 04:43.35 | xcomp | we'll distribute them, I take it back |
| 04:44.08 | xcomp | the EULA when I downloaded the SDK indicated otherwise |
| 04:44.08 | xcomp | but the headers themselves contain an SGI license so we're good |
| 04:44.14 | zsoc | xcomp: sgi is gpl compartible? |
| 04:44.22 | xcomp | i believe so |
| 04:44.22 | zsoc | makes up words |
| 04:44.28 | zsoc | wooo, scotch |
| 04:46.38 | cryptk|work | so I had come up with an awesome idea this morning while I was tired... but then I slept... and forgot it... |
| 04:46.51 | cryptk|work | hopefully I will remember it again at some point before all of you go to sleep |
| 04:47.36 | zsoc | cryptk|work: we can grade the perspective of your potential idea based on your passed performance of successful ideas |
| 04:47.41 | cryptk|work | btw, dtzWill after playing Assassins Creed some more... I really think they would have been better off by just ripping off your joystick... |
| 04:47.58 | cryptk|work | zsoc: I did come up with an idea everyone liked the other day |
| 04:48.07 | jacques | how does an app get from cross-compile.git to an ipkg ? is there any automated way of doing that ? is that what the autobuilder does ? |
| 04:48.11 | xcomp | argh... SDL_opengles.h does not play nice with gl2.h |
| 04:48.21 | zsoc | cryptk|work: Well then, we're off to a good start :> try hypnosis? |
| 04:48.32 | cryptk|work | having the e-mail that preware opens when you click on a developers name have some pre-filled info... like WebOS version, installed version of the app and whatnot |
| 04:48.37 | zsoc | xcomp: in what way? they should be _mostly_ interchangeable |
| 04:48.53 | xcomp | as in you can't include them both simultaneously |
| 04:49.50 | cryptk|work | btw, is there a reason that you can't upgrade to beta versions of preware from within preware? |
| 04:50.08 | cryptk|work | is it to keep the average user from running the betas? |
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| 04:50.25 | zsoc | cryptk|work: no, it's to stop the world from ending |
| 04:50.30 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 04:50.45 | cryptk|work | a better answer would have been "because you touch yourself at night" |
| 04:50.54 | cryptk|work | that is a good response to all questions actually |
| 04:51.30 | zsoc | cryptk|work: who does that at night? i never understood that |
| 04:51.38 | zsoc | also, scotch |
| 04:51.38 | cryptk|work | hahaha |
| 04:51.57 | cryptk|work | scotch is a good answer to not just all questions... but it is also a good answer to things that don't even need answers |
| 04:52.13 | zsoc | cryptk|work: and technically preware _is_ beta, so i assume you're referring to alpha versions |
| 04:52.18 | cryptk|work | yeah |
| 04:52.36 | zsoc | preware-bootstrap is the turing test |
| 04:52.42 | cryptk|work | hahaha |
| 04:52.51 | cryptk|work | testing for intelligence, very nice |
| 04:52.52 | zsoc | it takes nearly _no_ effort to install terminal app and type 3 lines of code |
| 04:55.17 | cryptk|work | zsoc: with a &&, the right options in wget and a | you could do it in one line |
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| 04:56.10 | zsoc | cryptk|work: hey hey, don't make it too easy ;) and ; > && |
| 04:56.15 | cryptk|work | actually, you could cut out the && cause with teh right options on wget you wouldn't even save the bootstrap to your phone, lol |
| 04:56.34 | zsoc | cryptk|work: oh you're a bash guy? ;) |
| 04:56.51 | cryptk|work | wget -O - http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap | /bin/sh |
| 04:57.20 | cryptk|work | that would download it into cache and run it without ever actually saving ti to your phone |
| 04:57.23 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, ok verified success that I can change anyone's launcher icon from C service |
| 04:57.38 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 04:57.53 | egaudet | LSCallFromApplication :P |
| 04:58.01 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 04:58.15 | cryptk|work | zsoc: feel free to add that line into the preware wiki if you want, lol |
| 04:58.17 | egaudet | they won't let me change other apps icons so I just tell them I am that app lol |
| 04:58.19 | PuffTheMagic | isnt that lib awesome :D |
| 04:58.46 | egaudet | haha yep |
| 04:58.54 | jacques | ; < && |
| 04:58.59 | PuffTheMagic | services are like "god mode" in doom |
| 04:59.05 | egaudet | lol |
| 04:59.15 | zsoc | cryptk|work: lol thank you for the bash lesson :D |
| 04:59.27 | zsoc | feels underestimated |
| 04:59.32 | cryptk|work | haha, I know you don't need it, lol |
| 04:59.49 | zsoc | egaudet: wait, when you said "Change", you mean WITH luna restart right? |
| 04:59.52 | cryptk|work | I just didn't know if you wanted to have the one liner on the wiki so I wasn't gonna add it |
| 04:59.54 | egaudet | changing all the apps inside the app launcher could be done from the app launcher's javascript |
| 05:00.02 | egaudet | but those pesky quicklaunch ones weren't |
| 05:00.07 | egaudet | zsoc, no |
| 05:00.15 | egaudet | I mean in front of your face magic |
| 05:00.16 | jacques | && will only do next command if previous exited without error |
| 05:00.22 | jacques | ; doesn't care |
| 05:00.23 | zsoc | egaudet: ON THE BUFFER?! |
| 05:00.37 | zsoc | jacques: yes i understand that, I suppose the context matters :) |
| 05:01.05 | egaudet | what buffer |
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| 05:01.32 | zsoc | egaudet: uh, the fb |
| 05:01.36 | egaudet | right now my preware icon is calendar icon hehe |
| 05:01.41 | zsoc | heh |
| 05:01.50 | egaudet | zsoc, yeah you call it and then your icon changes :P |
| 05:02.06 | zsoc | egaudet: hm.. that's interesting. tells you something about how luna updates the buffer |
| 05:02.16 | cryptk|work | well the whole && <> ; arguement is void since the line I wrote doesn't use either, lol |
| 05:02.22 | cryptk|work | just uses a pipe |
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| 05:02.52 | sportman | can you guys do me a favor |
| 05:02.59 | sportman | my firend is in a radio show contest |
| 05:03.03 | sportman | *friend |
| 05:03.04 | sportman | http://www.92profm.com/Article.asp?id=1626423 - make sure to vote for Stephen from North Kingstown! |
| 05:03.18 | egaudet | so this means we can have REAL actual themes |
| 05:03.29 | egaudet | and we can all thank PuffTheMagic for it :D |
| 05:03.40 | zsoc | sportman: do i know you? |
| 05:03.51 | zsoc | egaudet: he doesn't need the ego push ;) |
| 05:04.06 | zsoc | cryptk|work: pipes ftw :> |
| 05:04.24 | egaudet | dBsooner, were you looking for me earlier? |
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| 05:05.05 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: so that is just the icons... did you test out any of the css stuff? |
| 05:05.57 | sportman | zsoc yes i hang in this room a decent amount |
| 05:06.05 | sportman | zsoc the contest isnt for me though |
| 05:06.08 | sportman | firend |
| 05:06.09 | sportman | *friend |
| 05:06.29 | dBsooner | egaudet: yeah.. you said, "hang on" |
| 05:06.30 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, no not yet but that will be the easy part, that's all from javascript |
| 05:06.34 | dBsooner | and that was it |
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| 05:07.22 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, the only issue is like for the calendar app it updates it's launch icon every day with that same service call so probably need to patch it. |
| 05:07.31 | egaudet | dBsooner, hmm I dunno |
| 05:07.33 | egaudet | stop hanging on |
| 05:07.46 | dBsooner | its in pm |
| 05:08.25 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: more reason why its a bad idea |
| 05:08.45 | cryptk|work | zsoc: | > ( && + ; ) |
| 05:08.49 | cryptk|work | lol |
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| 05:09.12 | zsoc | sportman: you might want to consider finding a reason /b/ would like your friend |
| 05:09.12 | cryptk|work | although that is apples and oranges |
| 05:09.48 | sportman | what?? |
| 05:09.49 | zsoc | sportman: i mean, they put the TIME magazine polls in a special order to spell out a meme with the first letter of each persons name ;) |
| 05:11.23 | sportman | lol |
| 05:11.25 | sportman | didnt know this |
| 05:11.45 | zsoc | scotch does odd things... |
| 05:13.16 | cryptk|work | like make zsoc write weird code... |
| 05:13.17 | cryptk|work | lol |
| 05:13.53 | xcomp | takes AM_CONDITIONAL out back and shoots it |
| 05:14.02 | dtzWill | xcomp: no one will miss it |
| 05:14.05 | dtzWill | xcomp: ;) |
| 05:14.12 | cryptk|work | xcomp: you can borrow my M1 Garand |
| 05:14.40 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, bad idea in general? or bad idea to use the service? |
| 05:15.30 | PuffTheMagic | i just think messing with other apps is a bad idea, i think themes should be limited to general system aspects |
| 05:16.22 | PuffTheMagic | idk.. i mean i understand they are wanted |
| 05:17.02 | xcomp | i can't believe am_conditional has just wasted an hour of my time |
| 05:17.48 | egaudet | actually come to think of it, it wouldn't have to patch the calendar app |
| 05:19.14 | zsoc | xcomp: i'm just glad it's not me :> |
| 05:31.42 | firestrider | anyone know how to get a channel list of webchat? |
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| 05:34.55 | sportman | zsoc im drinking brandy mm |
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| 05:48.05 | destinal-home | dtzWill: hildonizing is converting an app for maemo, dehildonizing (which I may have been the first one to coin, lol) is the inverse of that |
| 05:49.00 | dtzWill | destinal-home: gotcha. since then i was able to stumble upon "hildon" and read up on that--"hildonization" didn't seem google friendly. or i can't type. or read :). |
| 05:49.11 | dtzWill | destinal-home: thanks though, that makes sense. bummer we have to migrate off it |
| 05:49.23 | destinal-home | well, we could implement all of it :) |
| 05:49.34 | dtzWill | destinal-home: we should just get qt running on the pre |
| 05:49.37 | egaudet | so we can modify icons with the C service, patch the framework to allow a custom "theme" along the lines of the -dark theme, and patch the framework to load stylesheets from /media for each stylesheet it loads as well to overwrite simple things |
| 05:49.54 | destinal-home | you guys are really pursuing the PWI project? |
| 05:50.09 | egaudet | sure why not |
| 05:50.33 | destinal-home | hey, cool. hope you've got good beverages |
| 05:50.38 | egaudet | lol |
| 05:50.52 | destinal-home | is drinking New Belgium 1554 |
| 05:51.55 | egaudet | I've proven all parts of it, so that's the beginnings of actual themeing for webos, I'll have my bud with me :P |
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| 05:56.32 | destinal-home | has anyone tried freeciv.net with the Pre's canvas stuff? |
| 06:00.24 | xcomp | hmm, it does have an sdl gui |
| 06:03.48 | destinal-home | xcomp: no, canvas, like html5 |
| 06:04.04 | destinal-home | they've got a web version now |
| 06:04.07 | sportman | you guys working on anything new? |
| 06:04.18 | xcomp | nice |
| 06:04.27 | jacques | destinal-home: wow |
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| 06:05.47 | xcomp | ahhh crap |
| 06:05.57 | xcomp | it |
| 06:06.01 | xcomp | it's display gibberish |
| 06:06.14 | xcomp | i knew it was too good to be true :) |
| 06:06.39 | xcomp | i'm done for todya |
| 06:06.44 | xcomp | committing changes |
| 06:12.58 | dBsooner | egaudet: what the heck is taking the autobuilder so long? |
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| 06:34.06 | cryptk|work | hows about adding a cool effect to preware when changing between scenes... |
| 06:34.07 | destinal-home | INFO: Modem Updater: Warning! You can potentially trashed your modem firmware if system lost the power in the middle of updating firmware |
| 06:34.26 | cryptk|work | destinal-home: where did you find that little gem of engrish? |
| 06:34.57 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: the modem flasher run by doctor. I always run doctor from command line with java -jar to watch |
| 06:35.03 | cryptk|work | hahaha |
| 06:35.14 | cryptk|work | that is excellent! |
| 06:35.21 | cryptk|work | palm outsource FAIL! |
| 06:35.37 | cryptk|work | woohoo... I get to make a logon account for someone! |
| 06:36.22 | cryptk|work | gotta love being a system administrator! |
| 06:36.32 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: I don't mind a normally unviewed warning not speaking good english :) |
| 06:37.11 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 06:37.14 | destinal-home | I just have to make sure the system does not lost the power |
| 06:37.18 | cryptk|work | neither do I, but it is always funny |
| 06:37.23 | destinal-home | :P |
| 06:37.32 | cryptk|work | at least everything is spelled right |
| 06:37.36 | cryptk|work | just bad grammar |
| 06:37.56 | cryptk|work | but they ARE all valid english words |
| 06:39.01 | destinal-home | "Watch out! The road is very sweaty!" -- English subtitle in a Hong Kong film |
| 06:41.16 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 06:41.22 | cryptk|work | don't forget the one that started them all |
| 06:41.29 | cryptk|work | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!! |
| 06:41.34 | cryptk|work | someone set us up the bomb!!! |
| 06:41.38 | destinal-home | Zero wing rules |
| 06:41.55 | destinal-home | what you say! |
| 06:43.14 | cryptk|work | hahaha |
| 06:43.50 | cryptk|work | Take off every "zig"! You know what you doing. Move "zig". For great justice. |
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| 06:47.59 | jacques | I can potentially haz trashed modem? |
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| 06:54.52 | destinal-home | jacques: yes u can haz |
| 06:56.20 | destinal-home | I think it would require severe unluck |
| 07:02.31 | dBsooner | egaudet: ping |
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| 07:10.28 | cryptk|work | destinal-home: I can has brick phone fix by doctor which has possibly break modem? |
| 07:12.26 | cryptk|work | why has doctor possibly break phone... my thought doctor make fix phone? |
| 07:13.35 | joshua | its a witch doctor |
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| 07:14.41 | twickz | what you say! |
| 07:15.37 | jacques | gotta sleep - later |
| 07:16.06 | joshua | we are warriors of the night |
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| 07:30.09 | dBsooner | Night ya'll |
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| 07:34.19 | gollyzila2 | What? I thought I had registered my nick as gollyzila, not gollyzila2 |
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| 07:41.02 | dBsooner | more patches added to feed. Tweeted. rwhitby? And G'night y'all. |
| 07:41.58 | destinal1 | so, that's weird, original xplane doesn't appear in catalog but xplane carrier does? |
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| 07:45.01 | gollyzila2 | How do I unregister my nick so I can change it to gollyzila? |
| 07:46.30 | cryptk|work | gollyzila2: is your nick set as gollyzilla in wirc? |
| 07:46.39 | cryptk|work | and do you have the authentication in wirc set up? |
| 07:47.47 | gollyzila2 | I have my nick set as gollyzila, yes. I'm not sure by what you mean by authentication. Can you elaborate please? |
| 07:48.31 | cryptk|work | in the configuration for freenode in wirc, click on advanced |
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| 07:49.36 | cryptk|work | make sure you have the username and password set in there |
| 07:49.50 | gollyzila2 | Everything is blank except the Perform on Connect.... I set it up to connect me to #webos-internals automatically |
| 07:49.57 | cryptk|wirc | my wirc authenticated... |
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| 07:50.24 | cryptk|work | type in /msg nickserv info |
| 07:51.10 | gollyzila2 | Okay. I authenticated. Should I disconnect/reconnect? |
| 07:51.13 | cryptk|work | or better yet, in the freenode configuration in wirc, set user to whatever username you registered and password to whatever password you used |
| 07:51.15 | cryptk|work | yeah |
| 07:51.20 | cryptk|work | disco and reco |
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| 07:52.02 | cryptk|work | and in the freenode configuration (not under advanced) what is it showing in the nickname field |
| 07:52.22 | cryptk|work | is it gollyzila or gollyzila2 |
| 07:52.29 | gollyzila2 | gollyzila |
| 07:53.01 | gollyzila2 | gollyzila2 was just a temporary nick |
| 07:53.16 | cryptk|work | lemme check something |
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| 07:53.27 | joshua | hack the planet |
| 07:53.49 | cryptk|work | ok, click on freenode in wirc (not on the buttons, just on freenode) |
| 07:53.55 | cryptk|work | that will open the server status window |
| 07:54.13 | cryptk|work | are you seeing something towards the bottom about being identified as gollyzila |
| 07:54.22 | cryptk|work | and having a +e mode set by services? |
| 07:54.28 | *** part/#webos-internals cryptk|wirc (n=cryptk@99-200-190-42.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 07:54.51 | gollyzila2 | it says gollyzila2 is not a registered nickname |
| 07:55.08 | cryptk|work | go to the app menu (top left) and click on identity |
| 07:55.47 | cryptk|work | what does it have listed under nicknames |
| 07:56.04 | cryptk|work | gollyzila or gollyzila2 |
| 07:56.36 | cryptk|work | may need to be on the main wirc window to get the identity entry in the app menu |
| 07:57.01 | gollyzila2 | It shows gollyzila |
| 07:57.33 | gollyzila2 | will be back in 10min |
| 07:58.57 | cryptk|work | so it has gollyzila and ONLY gollyzila? |
| 08:03.59 | gollyzila2 | Correct. And the option to add another nick |
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| 08:04.59 | cryptk|work | gollyzila2 has to be in there somewhere... |
| 08:05.11 | cryptk|work | try just doing /nick gollyzila |
| 08:05.36 | cryptk|work | now log out and back in |
| 08:05.44 | cryptk|work | completely close and reopen wirc |
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| 08:06.07 | cryptk|work | WTF |
| 08:06.25 | cryptk|work | hang on, I am gonna PM ya since this is technically OT for this channel |
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| 08:37.16 | oil | lol |
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| 08:41.56 | cryptk|work | oil: lol? |
| 08:42.04 | oil | yes |
| 08:42.16 | cryptk|work | what is so lol? |
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| 08:42.42 | oil | exactly |
| 08:42.50 | cryptk|work | gotcha |
| 08:42.56 | cryptk|work | soemone set us up the bomb? |
| 08:43.10 | oil | definitely |
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| 08:56.19 | gollyzila2 | GRAWG!!! |
| 08:56.39 | cryptk|work | did you change your settings in the WIRC settings to your new password? |
| 08:56.58 | gollyzila2 | cryptk|work: yes I did |
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| 09:01.25 | gollyzila2 | Wow |
| 09:01.38 | gollyzila2 | I changed my nick to PantsOnTheGround |
| 09:01.57 | oil | is that your password? |
| 09:02.06 | oil | all i see is **************** |
| 09:02.12 | oil | xD |
| 09:02.18 | cryptk|work | no, his WIRC is stuck on gollyzilla2... |
| 09:02.27 | oil | so change it |
| 09:02.28 | cryptk|work | he can't get it to change |
| 09:02.52 | oil | click the little gear next to your configureation |
| 09:03.01 | oil | in the nickname dropdown, select the right one |
| 09:03.07 | gollyzila2 | Already did that |
| 09:03.13 | oil | thats all it takes |
| 09:03.38 | gollyzila2 | I put a new nick and deleted the rest |
| 09:03.46 | oil | and selected it there |
| 09:03.50 | gollyzila2 | Yet it still shows me as gollyzila2 |
| 09:04.08 | oil | and what does typing /nick gollyzilla say in the server status? |
| 09:04.23 | oil | whala |
| 09:05.00 | oil | hits the sack |
| 09:05.13 | gollyzila | It says it's registered and that I need to identify. BUT no matter what nick I set up in WIRC, it still shows me as gollyzila2 |
| 09:06.46 | cryptk|work | oil the problem is that he has to do that every time |
| 09:07.09 | cryptk|work | wirc does not save it across restarts... and he has his nick in wirc set to gollyzila, not gollyzila2 |
| 09:07.23 | oil | it _should_ save it across restarts |
| 09:07.27 | oil | when you select it in the dropdown |
| 09:07.28 | oil | if its not... |
| 09:07.29 | cryptk|work | but it isn't |
| 09:07.34 | oil | orange+tap wirc |
| 09:07.35 | oil | and delete it |
| 09:07.36 | cryptk|work | bbiab, gotta work |
| 09:07.39 | airmack | read-only file? |
| 09:07.40 | oil | then reinstall it |
| 09:07.58 | oil | remove it with orange+tap though, removing it through preware doesn't delete the cookies |
| 09:08.20 | oil | thats my last suggestion |
| 09:08.22 | gollyzila | I'll reinstall then. Is orange+tap the best way to delete every app? |
| 09:08.24 | oil | now im really going to sleep |
| 09:09.11 | gollyzila | Thank you oil and cryptk|work |
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| 09:15.01 | gollyzila | yessssss hallelujah! |
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| 09:18.06 | gollyzila | Thanks a bunch for your help cryptk|work |
| 09:18.15 | gollyzila | And you too oil |
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| 10:23.12 | cryptk|work | gollyzila2: are you on WIRC or on your home computer? |
| 10:23.19 | cryptk|work | cause it has the 2 again |
| 10:23.49 | cryptk|work | if you are on your home computer then you just need to change settings... if you are on WIRC... then we need to look into it more |
| 10:24.03 | gollyzila2 | Server window is saying that gollyzila is still connected. Soooooo I have to remotely disconnect it |
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| 10:24.15 | cryptk|work | you can do that with nickserv |
| 10:24.23 | cryptk|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.24 | gollyzila2 | What's the command? |
| 10:24.29 | cryptk|work | oops, wrong one |
| 10:24.40 | cryptk|work | are you identified? |
| 10:24.49 | cryptk|work | with /msg nickserv identify? |
| 10:25.14 | cryptk|work | if not that is fine |
| 10:25.14 | gollyzila2 | gollyzila should be identified. Gollyzila2 is not registered |
| 10:25.14 | cryptk|work | just do... |
| 10:25.24 | cryptk|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.29 | cryptk|work | that will boot gollyzila off |
| 10:25.37 | cryptk|work | then you can take the nick back |
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| 10:26.28 | gollyzila | Awesomeness |
| 10:26.29 | cryptk|work | there ya go |
| 10:26.43 | cryptk|work | so if someone takes your name, you can use that command to kick them off |
| 10:27.00 | cryptk|work | then you can swap to it with /nick, or just disconnect and reconnect |
| 10:27.07 | gollyzila | Thanks |
| 10:27.12 | cryptk|work | do you have WIRC set to automatically identify you? |
| 10:27.17 | gollyzila | Yes I do |
| 10:27.21 | cryptk|work | in the freenode advanced settings |
| 10:27.23 | cryptk|work | cool |
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| 10:27.26 | cryptk|work | you are all set up then |
| 10:27.38 | *** part/#webos-internals hawiwo (n=hw@85.10.247.41) |
| 10:28.40 | gollyzila | Thanks a bunch. Oh I have an unrelated question. Is there a way to install an ipk through a terminal command right on the Pre? I know it has to do with ipkg but I don't know the exact command |
| 10:29.41 | cryptk|work | uhm... yes there is... I don't know it off hand though |
| 10:29.52 | cryptk|work | gimmie a minute and I will find it for ya |
| 10:30.10 | gollyzila | Thanks. I searched the wiki but it's old info |
| 10:32.58 | cryptk|work | yeah, it has it installing to /var |
| 10:33.10 | cryptk|work | I don't know the full innards of how cryptofs works |
| 10:33.24 | cryptk|work | so i don't know if we can jsut change it to /media/cryptofs or what |
| 10:33.31 | cryptk|work | I would jsut install them with Quick Install |
| 10:33.49 | cryptk|work | that is the best way anyway, you will know that it is done right and that you will be able to uninstall it properly |
| 10:36.08 | gollyzila | I guess. It's been only a few times when I need to install an ipk while away from my comp. I wonder if Preware can check the /media/internal partition for any ipk's and ask if I would like Preware to install them |
| 10:36.38 | cryptk|work | that would be a cool idea |
| 10:37.15 | cryptk|work | have an option in the main scene called "local packages" |
| 10:37.26 | gollyzila | Yeah exactly |
| 10:37.35 | cryptk|work | it will list any ipk files located in /media/internal/ipk/ |
| 10:37.47 | cryptk|work | and you can click to install/remove/update/whatever |
| 10:37.48 | gollyzila | It seems plausible since preware has to download ipk from the feeds |
| 10:37.56 | cryptk|work | yep |
| 10:38.05 | cryptk|work | it would just be skipping the download step |
| 10:38.14 | gollyzila | Yeah |
| 10:38.58 | gollyzila | It'd be easier to download/install beta apps from the testing feeds |
| 10:41.58 | cryptk|work | actually, there is an easier way |
| 10:42.02 | cryptk|work | you add the testing feed to preware |
| 10:42.08 | cryptk|work | then install them through preware |
| 10:42.12 | cryptk|work | ~testing-feed |
| 10:42.13 | infobot | somebody said testing-feed was a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
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| 10:53.47 | hawiwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.19 | gollyzila | cryptk|work: Cool thanks. Do you know the webos-internals developers? Do mind telling them about my on-device ipk installation idea? |
| 10:55.13 | cryptk|work | I will mention it next time some of them are on |
| 10:55.28 | cryptk|work | I don't know them personally or anything, but I frequent the channel and have a working relationship with a couple |
| 10:55.40 | cryptk|work | I have/am beta testing stuff for some of them |
| 10:56.08 | gollyzila | What are you beta testing? |
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| 10:59.28 | cryptk|work | lost my interwebs for a second |
| 10:59.41 | cryptk|work | I beta test pretty much everything that dtzWill comes out with |
| 10:59.49 | cryptk|work | as well as a couple other things that I am not allowed to talk about |
| 11:01.40 | gollyzila | Oh cool. I see that there are patches already set up on the feeds for 1.4. Do developers get beta version of 1.4? |
| 11:02.03 | joshua | Seems that way |
| 11:02.07 | cryptk|work | there is the early release program that some developers are let in to, but you will never find a developer saying that they are in it |
| 11:02.14 | joshua | Lots of updated apps appear right before the OS update |
| 11:02.15 | cryptk|work | they are under a very strict NDA |
| 11:02.46 | cryptk|work | they are not allowed to release any details about upcoming updates, if they do and they are caught then they get removed from the program forever |
| 11:03.05 | cryptk|work | so they are allowed to update their apps early, but they are not allowed to release any details |
| 11:03.26 | cryptk|work | I am sure a couple of the internals guys are in it, but your guess is as good as mine as to who exactly |
| 11:03.38 | gollyzila | I have seen some developers say that they "don't have 1.3.5.1". So it's inferred that they are testing 1.4. |
| 11:04.05 | cryptk|work | who have you seen say that? |
| 11:04.13 | cryptk|work | they are walking a very fine line with Palm |
| 11:04.38 | cryptk|work | a line that I wouldn't even dare get close to touching if i were in the early release |
| 11:04.56 | cryptk|work | which, as a beta tester for a couple of guys here... I am not qualified enough to get in it, lol |
| 11:05.25 | gollyzila | I can't remember who. But they were having problems regarding an app, and they were asked what firmware version they had. |
| 11:05.54 | cryptk|work | it could have just been a user then |
| 11:06.03 | cryptk|work | they may have had 1.3.5.2 (if they are GSM) |
| 11:06.12 | cryptk|work | or could have still not upgraded to 1.3.5.1 |
| 11:06.17 | gollyzila | Probably |
| 11:06.19 | cryptk|work | lots of possibilities |
| 11:06.48 | gollyzila | I'm curious if some Palm executives have Preware and patches on there phones |
| 11:07.09 | cryptk|work | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 11:08.42 | gollyzila | Hopefully they're watching precentral forums like a hawk, cause the homebrew community have some much needed requests Palm needs to deliver |
| 11:09.09 | cryptk|work | it is also a pretty much known fact that they monitor this very IRC channel |
| 11:09.34 | cryptk|work | someone at palm will likely read what we are saying now, that is if they are not reading it at this very moment |
| 11:09.48 | cryptk|work | bbiab, break time |
| 11:09.50 | gollyzila | O.o coooool |
| 11:09.57 | cryptk|work | btw, glad you got your wirc figured out |
| 11:10.05 | gollyzila | Thanks for the help |
| 11:11.21 | iSmite | i did it first!! http://www.funnyordie.co.uk/videos/d2b714361c/hello |
| 11:11.30 | *** join/#webos-internals saurik_ (n=saurik@carrier.saurik.com) |
| 11:11.36 | iSmite | 2 days ago i photoshopped dom joly and today hes uploaded that |
| 11:12.29 | joshua | haha |
| 11:13.05 | gollyzila | In that case, thank you Palm for being so supportive of homebrew and it's community. |
| 11:13.05 | iSmite | i have a boring question but one thats been bugging me since i got my pre |
| 11:13.37 | gollyzila | jumps in bed |
| 11:13.44 | *** part/#webos-internals gollyzila (n=gollyzil@cpe-76-168-247-211.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 11:13.54 | iSmite | is there a way that i can have one sound for texts but one for all other notifications because a ringtone every time my yahoo goes off is really aggravating but i dont want a short beep for texts |
| 11:14.05 | iSmite | omfg saurik was in here? |
| 11:14.10 | iSmite | wow |
| 11:14.29 | joshua | why do they seperate the american and uk funnyordie... do they think us americans won't get the jokes |
| 11:14.50 | iSmite | well..i best not comment on that lol |
| 11:15.43 | iSmite | so can i change my text sound from the notification sound cos i cant see a patch that doe |
| 11:16.02 | iSmite | everything makes the same damn sound |
| 11:16.13 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v saurik_] by ChanServ |
| 11:16.16 | joshua | i bet theres a patch for that |
| 11:16.30 | iSmite | bows down to saurik |
| 11:16.55 | iSmite | i couldnt see one, the only patch i saw like that was a different tone for each text but i dont want that |
| 11:17.13 | iSmite | i just want texts separate to notifications |
| 11:18.00 | joshua | can never have enough matt berry |
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| 11:30.25 | Suruat | anyone still awake? |
| 11:30.54 | cryptk|work | there is one, I forget what it is named though |
| 11:31.42 | cryptk|work | lemme see if I can find the patch |
| 11:33.26 | Suruat | yay Palm Accept my app!!! |
| 11:33.33 | cryptk|work | the patch is called Select Alert and Notification Tones |
| 11:33.44 | cryptk|work | iSmite: ^^^ |
| 11:33.46 | Suruat | I am an oficial developer now lol |
| 11:33.52 | cryptk|work | Suruat: what app is it? |
| 11:33.58 | joshua | yeah wheres it at |
| 11:34.23 | joshua | is it eye test |
| 11:34.43 | iSmite | will that just let me get one tone for sms then |
| 11:34.50 | iSmite | i dont have to set every contact do i |
| 11:35.08 | cryptk|work | I think so |
| 11:35.14 | cryptk|work | I am installing it now to check it out |
| 11:35.33 | iSmite | something horrible happening in our irc |
| 11:35.39 | iSmite | ughhh |
| 11:35.43 | iSmite | brb thanks by the way |
| 11:36.14 | cryptk|work | in whos irc? |
| 11:36.36 | joshua | never heard of irc before |
| 11:38.50 | iSmite | well bang goes the vhosts. |
| 11:39.50 | cryptk|work | joshua: you have never heard of IRC? |
| 11:40.24 | cryptk|work | I mean.... you are talking on IRC right now... lol |
| 11:41.37 | *** part/#webos-internals michote (n=michote@p4FC8767C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:42.17 | iSmite | this is horrible someone impersonating someone has exception for ban and kicking everyone out and we dont know which is the real one as hes hacked his pw |
| 11:45.06 | Suruat | hey guys with the new pdk coming in march, will developers be able to code in Java or is it just restricted to c++ |
| 11:48.19 | cryptk|work | not sure what it is restricted to |
| 11:49.02 | cryptk|work | iSmite: the person who really owns the account should be able to log in and boot the guy off the account, then change the password |
| 11:49.24 | iSmite | weve got moof admin onto it |
| 11:49.30 | iSmite | we know who it is now |
| 11:49.34 | cryptk|work | is it on freenode? |
| 11:49.37 | iSmite | gonna gline him..no |
| 11:49.42 | cryptk|work | if so jsut have him ghost the guy off |
| 11:49.44 | iSmite | moofspeak |
| 11:49.46 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 11:49.53 | iSmite | we know now |
| 11:49.55 | cryptk|work | gline will do the trick |
| 11:49.56 | iSmite | thx anyway |
| 11:50.00 | cryptk|work | np |
| 11:52.02 | iSmite | did that patch work? |
| 11:52.50 | cryptk|work | I can't really test it here cause I am at work and can't have my phone making a bunch of noise |
| 11:52.54 | cryptk|work | but it seems so |
| 11:53.10 | cryptk|work | it adds options into the sounds and ringtones for alert and notification |
| 11:53.19 | cryptk|work | one of those should change the SMS tone |
| 11:53.36 | cryptk|work | I don't know if it will change only the SMS tone though |
| 11:53.49 | iSmite | the sms is the same as notification tone normally..oh |
| 11:53.52 | iSmite | :( |
| 11:54.13 | iSmite | no it wont then |
| 11:55.19 | cryptk|work | I think there may be an app that does it, hold on a sec |
| 11:56.36 | cryptk|work | SMS tone per contact also lets you change the default SMS tone |
| 11:56.41 | cryptk|work | I jsut found that out |
| 11:56.47 | cryptk|work | in addition to setting it per contact |
| 11:57.14 | cryptk|work | I am installing it to check |
| 11:57.29 | *** part/#webos-internals Suruat (n=wIRCer@174-149-128-124.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 11:58.49 | cryptk|work | iSmite: looks like it gives you the ability to set an SMS tone for each contact, as well as a global tone for all SMS's... if neither is set then it falls back to the Alert tone |
| 11:58.59 | cryptk|work | so the SMS tone per contact will do what you are after |
| 11:59.04 | iSmite | ooh thanks |
| 11:59.10 | cryptk|work | but I am installing now to test it |
| 11:59.18 | cryptk|work | luna restarting as we speak |
| 11:59.31 | iSmite | its really aggravating when a network message or missed call or anythign like that makes the same noise as a text |
| 11:59.35 | cryptk|work | btw, pretty sure the SMS tone patch will not isntall with the fuirst one I mentioned |
| 11:59.40 | cryptk|work | yeah |
| 11:59.42 | cryptk|work | I agree |
| 11:59.44 | iSmite | i think i have that first one |
| 12:00.11 | cryptk|work | yep, I now have an entry in sounds&ringtones for messages |
| 12:00.30 | cryptk|work | so remove the alerts and notifications sound patch and install the SMS tone per contact patch |
| 12:00.32 | iSmite | nice, thanks loads |
| 12:00.38 | iSmite | <3 |
| 12:01.05 | iSmite | im female!! in case u wondering why a bloke would do <3 i forget sometimes when im in a new room |
| 12:01.12 | iSmite | but yeah thanks |
| 12:01.16 | cryptk|work | and as a side benefiet you can also set a seperate SMS tone and ringtone on a per contact basis |
| 12:01.29 | cryptk|work | haha, no biggie |
| 12:01.37 | iSmite | yes im thinking of getting something from hammer horror for the mother in law |
| 12:01.45 | cryptk|work | do it |
| 12:01.55 | cryptk|work | always nice to see women getting into all the techno geeky stuff, lol |
| 12:02.06 | cryptk|work | typically a "boys playground" |
| 12:02.27 | iSmite | i admin an iphone site and irc...350, 000 people |
| 12:02.43 | iSmite | yes girls arent on the internet so im told :P |
| 12:04.26 | joshua | is it a part of a network |
| 12:04.35 | joshua | or just a server with that many peeps |
| 12:04.39 | iSmite | they all hate me for going to the pre but im bored of the iphone theres only so much hacking you can do with it and i wanted something new to play with |
| 12:04.47 | iSmite | ours? |
| 12:04.49 | joshua | yeah |
| 12:05.06 | joshua | we have a freenode server on our network I think, and they have an efnet hub |
| 12:05.12 | iSmite | xsellize.com forum 350, 000 members (largest iphone site) irc is on moofspeak.net |
| 12:05.14 | joshua | but the weirdo that loves freebsd runs it |
| 12:05.28 | iSmite | you should come in sometime we flame people for free |
| 12:07.35 | joshua | ahh awkwardtv is on there, that was originally something a dude on somethingawful started i think |
| 12:08.18 | *** join/#webos-internals jauderho (n=jhomac@c-24-5-170-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 12:08.28 | iSmite | damn i wish id registered on here with my normal irc name but i never expected to stay, ircs arent usually the most friendly of places, especially ours but this is a nice room |
| 12:08.37 | iSmite | can i change it? |
| 12:08.59 | jauderho | anyone know how to check out a new remote git branch? |
| 12:09.13 | iSmite | hmm maybe i can group it |
| 12:09.27 | jauderho | i cant remember the command |
| 12:10.55 | iSmite | my growls failed so i dunno if that worked |
| 12:11.05 | pumpa | can u see me |
| 12:11.20 | pumpa | ill come back in to make sure |
| 12:11.25 | *** part/#webos-internals pumpa (n=iSmite@82.46.193.44) |
| 12:11.55 | joshua | i can see it all |
| 12:12.02 | *** join/#webos-internals pumpa (n=iSmite@82.46.193.44) |
| 12:12.24 | pumpa | can you see me |
| 12:12.31 | pumpa | yep its worked |
| 12:13.55 | cryptk|work | pumpa: did you group it to your other name? |
| 12:14.00 | pumpa | yeah |
| 12:14.04 | *** join/#webos-internals Ron001 (n=ronsorde@75-148-15-217-washington-dc.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 12:14.12 | pumpa | can you see my tho |
| 12:14.13 | cryptk|work | all good then, I have several names, all grouped to cryptk |
| 12:14.17 | pumpa | cool |
| 12:14.21 | pumpa | i remembered the commans |
| 12:14.24 | pumpa | yes i have loads |
| 12:14.34 | pumpa | spock is one of them rofl but i think it would be taken here |
| 12:14.44 | pumpa | pumpa is my normal one |
| 12:16.07 | cryptk|work | I use my current nick the most |
| 12:16.19 | cryptk|work | I also have cryptk, cryptk|home and cryptk|wirc |
| 12:18.08 | pumpa | lol your vhost is mad. where are you from |
| 12:18.43 | joshua | whos where |
| 12:19.35 | pumpa | i meant cryptk but anyone |
| 12:19.43 | cryptk|work | ahh |
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| 12:19.48 | pumpa | mines not hosted so u can see im from uk |
| 12:19.49 | cryptk|work | what are you seeing as my vhost? |
| 12:20.04 | cryptk|work | cacheflow.lackland.af.mil? |
| 12:20.13 | cryptk|work | I am at work, I am on a DOD owned computer |
| 12:20.26 | pumpa | gateway/web/freenode/x-plzjzppiaiddnsud and cacheflow.lackland.af.mil/137.242.1.37 - http://we |
| 12:20.31 | pumpa | ah ok |
| 12:20.34 | pumpa | just looked nusual |
| 12:20.41 | cryptk|work | yeah, I am using the freenode web IRC client |
| 12:20.53 | cryptk|work | runs in the browser |
| 12:21.00 | cryptk|work | since I can't install an IRC client on a DOD comp |
| 12:21.27 | pumpa | ew like a mibbit equivalent |
| 12:21.49 | pumpa | i see youve banned mibbit well done lol they were gonna ban them off ours but didnt, such a shame there would have been much rejoicing |
| 12:21.55 | pumpa | fromme |
| 12:23.52 | cryptk|work | who banned what? |
| 12:24.04 | pumpa | mibbit, you cant join freenode on mibbit |
| 12:24.17 | cryptk|work | what is mibbit? |
| 12:24.35 | pumpa | what every annoying person uses to join irc chat when they dont have a client |
| 12:24.40 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 12:24.48 | cryptk|work | no, the one I am using is an official one from freenode |
| 12:25.02 | pumpa | hmm can i have the address |
| 12:25.06 | pumpa | may come in useful |
| 12:25.11 | cryptk|work | http://webchat.freenode.net |
| 12:25.14 | pumpa | thanks |
| 12:25.24 | cryptk|work | there is a link on the webos-internals site too |
| 12:25.27 | pumpa | we need one of those |
| 12:25.30 | cryptk|work | http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=webos-internals |
| 12:25.39 | pumpa | ah ok |
| 12:25.40 | cryptk|work | automatically fills in the channel name is you use that one |
| 12:25.45 | cryptk|work | anyways, time to log off for the day |
| 12:25.47 | cryptk|work | ttyl |
| 12:25.54 | pumpa | damn im supposed to be at drs..me too c ya thx for help |
| 12:26.02 | cryptk|work | np, later |
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| 12:48.10 | Ron001 | good morning...anyone up this early? I could use some help figuring out what is burning CPU cycles and draining my battery. |
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| 12:58.08 | muesli | zlficca: f off |
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| 13:09.55 | Lumiere | if any of the operators for the channel are here |
| 13:10.05 | Lumiere | +R makes it so those bots can't talk |
| 13:10.10 | Lumiere | just add a " If you can't speak, please register your Nick ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration ) |
| 13:10.25 | rys | That's in the topic already iirc |
| 13:10.37 | Lumiere | then +R needs to be set |
| 13:10.40 | Lumiere | and it is |
| 13:11.01 | rys | I think they're just doing spammy CCTP things |
| 13:11.24 | Lumiere | with urls that make people into spammy things |
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| 13:20.01 | InSearchOf | PuffTheMagic, IIRC, you fllashed uboot to the pre?(but didnt get anywhere with it) correct? |
| 13:30.17 | pumpa | back |
| 13:32.39 | mobgod | anyone here have this installed YouView - Visual Voicemail App |
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| 13:35.08 | mobgod | sup destinal |
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| 13:35.18 | destinal-wirc | morning |
| 13:35.25 | mobgod | morning lol |
| 13:35.52 | mobgod | quick one for ya i have a app installed i did uninstall but seems like its still there any ideas? |
| 13:36.25 | destinal-wirc | what did you uninstall with? |
| 13:36.32 | mobgod | preware |
| 13:36.59 | destinal-wirc | hmm,and how does it seem installed? |
| 13:37.05 | mobgod | i think my brother installed with WQI |
| 13:37.36 | mobgod | bc i lost my VM |
| 13:37.54 | destinal-wirc | (usually it seems like QI comes into situations like these) :) |
| 13:38.04 | destinal-wirc | lost your VM? |
| 13:38.17 | destinal-wirc | which app, if I may ask? |
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| 13:38.38 | mobgod | YouView - Visual Voicemail App |
| 13:39.11 | mobgod | should i install again with WQI and than uninstall with the same |
| 13:39.19 | destinal-wirc | hmmm,and did you install any patches for it to integrate better? |
| 13:39.25 | mobgod | no |
| 13:39.26 | destinal-wirc | or did he? |
| 13:39.31 | destinal-wirc | hmmm |
| 13:40.03 | destinal-wirc | not sure, what does lost your vm mean? |
| 13:40.15 | mobgod | voicemail |
| 13:40.36 | destinal-wirc | but "lost?" |
| 13:40.41 | mobgod | still telling me the youmail person ur tring to reach is not around ect... |
| 13:41.28 | destinal-wirc | hmm,I've never used this app so this is sounding pretty strange |
| 13:41.31 | mobgod | where can i look to see if the app is gone |
| 13:41.43 | mobgod | maybe there is a file stuck somewere |
| 13:42.14 | mobgod | stuck=hidden |
| 13:42.32 | destinal-wirc | I think I need a longer explanation of what changes when you use the app and what didn't change when you remove it |
| 13:42.53 | destinal-wirc | sorry brrb |
| 13:43.51 | mobgod | well the app said there was a update i did try to update but the install process just hung up so i said the hell with the app and went to delete it |
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| 13:53.13 | rick-home | mobgod -- this is one of the google voice apps? |
| 13:55.10 | rick-home | ~seen rwhitby |
| 13:55.13 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (22h 58m 35s) #oe (22h 58m 35s) #nslu2-linux (22h 58m 35s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 21h 45m 48s, last said: '(or AUPT releases, which doubled the peak for the last 24 hours)'. |
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| 13:55.13 | Ron001 | youview is a youmail visual voicemail app |
| 13:55.50 | rick-home | Thanks Ron, never heard of youmail. |
| 13:56.33 | mobgod | its driving me crazy |
| 13:56.48 | rick-home | mobgod how did you try to remove it? |
| 13:56.56 | mobgod | preware |
| 13:57.05 | Ron001 | I hadn't either, but have been in the alpha group for yourview since it was offered on precentral |
| 13:57.06 | rick-home | mobgod do you have the sdk installed? |
| 13:57.20 | mobgod | after my retart brother told me he installed it with WQI |
| 13:57.21 | Ron001 | I also had upgrade issues, but I believe it uninstalled ok |
| 13:57.40 | mobgod | Ron001 did u try your voicemail yet |
| 13:57.52 | rick-home | mobgod -- do you have the sdk installed? |
| 13:57.54 | Ron001 | Orange key + tap app and delete should remove it |
| 13:58.11 | mobgod | rick-home i think so |
| 13:58.22 | mobgod | not sure like i said my brother did it |
| 13:58.40 | rick-home | mobgod, does the youmail app show in the launcher? |
| 13:58.53 | Ron001 | mobgod: I currently have not reinstalled. I'm having an issue with the Hide App Vendors not cleanly removed. was going to come here later when I had some time for help |
| 13:58.56 | mobgod | Ron001 i did delete it but people still here youmail VM |
| 13:59.11 | mobgod | rick-home no |
| 13:59.16 | Ron001 | mobgod |
| 13:59.32 | rick-home | mobgod, you mean that people CALLING YOU still are re-directed to youmail voice mail? |
| 13:59.32 | Ron001 | mobgod: its gone, you need to set your phone to not forward to youmail |
| 13:59.39 | mobgod | yes rick-home |
| 13:59.47 | rick-home | that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APP. |
| 14:00.03 | rick-home | You have set your phone's ACCOUNT with sprint to conditional call forward to that number |
| 14:00.19 | rick-home | you need to UNDO that. |
| 14:00.36 | mobgod | so thats on sprints website? |
| 14:01.07 | rick-home | no |
| 14:01.10 | rick-home | you do that from the phone |
| 14:01.45 | Ron001 | go to youmail.com and follow the instructions on how to change it back |
| 14:02.01 | rick-home | or just do this. |
| 14:02.06 | Ron001 | of course, you can check your VM's there too ;) |
| 14:02.21 | mobgod | i got it thanks |
| 14:02.23 | rick-home | on your phone, enter *38 and tell it to dial. |
| 14:02.27 | rick-home | :-) |
| 14:02.33 | mobgod | *38 |
| 14:02.37 | mobgod | thats what i did |
| 14:02.38 | rick-home | nodnod |
| 14:02.46 | rick-home | that cancels the conditional call forward |
| 14:02.55 | mobgod | thanks guys btw rick-home any news |
| 14:03.12 | rick-home | if you ever want it to go BACK you have to do a *28 |
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| 14:03.29 | rick-home | nope. Why don't you ping him and see if he replies to you??? |
| 14:03.34 | mobgod | the app has a lot of problems now |
| 14:03.51 | rick-home | mobgod that's why I use gdial and google voice |
| 14:04.25 | mobgod | i have google voice |
| 14:04.48 | mobgod | going to email him now |
| 14:06.21 | destinal-wirc | rick-home: morning |
| 14:07.04 | mobgod | email sent |
| 14:07.25 | rick-home | morning destinal-wirc |
| 14:07.37 | rick-home | last nights peak was as high but shorter.... |
| 14:07.55 | rick-home | I'll be glad when Tom gets the new server installed. |
| 14:08.06 | mobgod | is appscoop not working? |
| 14:08.55 | rick-home | mobgod most of us don't spend a lot of time checking out other people's installers..... |
| 14:09.22 | zsoc | rick-home: other peoples installers? does not compute |
| 14:10.23 | mobgod | ok well i guess its down than |
| 14:16.52 | michote | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:27.07 | destinal-pre | hmm,random wirc disconnect |
| 14:29.11 | zsocwerkin | does if/fi ever stop being amusing? |
| 14:29.33 | zsocwerkin | I mean I've only been linux'ing for about 2 years |
| 14:30.10 | Ron001 | Can someone help me remove a patch that didn't cleanly remove after the AUPT update? |
| 14:30.30 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: what patch and what ipkg error? |
| 14:30.51 | Ron001 | hide app vendors |
| 14:31.19 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: is it functioning? (ie: are your app vendors hidden?) |
| 14:31.47 | Ron001 | when I try to list apps in the catalog, it leaves the page blank |
| 14:32.14 | Ron001 | ie. opening the recent page |
| 14:32.19 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: ... so it's malfunctioning? |
| 14:32.49 | Ron001 | yes, but I can open an individual page from the featured apps |
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| 14:34.04 | destinal-pre | zsoc: what's amusing? |
| 14:34.08 | Ron001 | top |
| 14:34.11 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: you may want to consider EPR. a manual removal doesn't actually _remove_ anything, and there's no guarantee you can reinstall the patch again to remove it cleanly |
| 14:34.30 | zsocwerkin | destinal-pre: ending an if statement with fi |
| 14:34.43 | destinal-pre | heh |
| 14:34.48 | Ron001 | zsocwerkin, I thought of that, just dreading the reinstall |
| 14:35.07 | Ron001 | zsocwerkin, ill give it a try |
| 14:36.10 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: at your own risk, there are 2 easy commands to manually removal from command line |
| 14:37.23 | Ron001 | +zsocwerkin: ok |
| 14:37.41 | Ron001 | +zsocwerkin: hint? |
| 14:38.18 | dBsooner | Mornin ya'll |
| 14:38.32 | Ron001 | mornin |
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| 14:41.01 | destinal-pre | dBsooner: morning |
| 14:41.26 | dBsooner | Oklahoma is shut down. |
| 14:41.29 | dBsooner | the whole state. |
| 14:41.38 | dBsooner | And it's not that bad. |
| 14:41.39 | dBsooner | :D |
| 14:41.52 | nt4cats | dBsooner: the rest of us won't miss it. What good ever came from OK? |
| 14:42.04 | nt4cats | (where the wind comes whistlin' down the plain ...) |
| 14:42.16 | nt4cats | (and the corn is as high as an elephant's eye ...) |
| 14:42.20 | dBsooner | Hmm |
| 14:42.53 | nt4cats | 's Pre just turned into a block of molten slag. I recommend the rest of you do NOT irritate dBsooner |
| 14:43.11 | dBsooner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Chenoweth |
| 14:43.16 | dBsooner | she's from Broken Arrow. :) |
| 14:44.18 | dBsooner | Carrie Underwood? |
| 14:44.18 | dBsooner | she's from Checotah |
| 14:44.25 | dBsooner | See, good stuff DOES come from Oklahoma. |
| 14:52.01 | destinal-pre | anyone else see ipad and want linux on it? |
| 14:52.02 | Ron001 | +zsocwerkin: would you mind walking me through remove the patch from the command line? |
| 14:53.44 | Ron001 | could anyone help me with that? |
| 14:54.15 | nt4cats | Ron001: I arrived late and saw you chatting with zsoc ... which patches are you trying to remove? |
| 14:55.14 | Ron001 | after the aupt update, the hide app vendors patch didn't update cleanly, i tried to remove with wosqi, but it left something behind, and the app catalog isn't working properly |
| 14:55.18 | nt4cats | Ron001: ... and I'll repeat zsoc's warning that by manually removing patch ipk's you can leave the patched files in an inconsistent state and cause yourself problems down the road |
| 14:55.44 | Ron001 | I'll epr if thats better |
| 14:56.34 | nt4cats | Ron001: I am not an expert on this topic -- but EPR sounds safer because I believe that EPR does a good job at restoring files from backups if they're present |
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| 14:57.12 | Ron001 | fair enough. I can multitask whilst reinstalling the 53 patches I have. |
| 14:57.13 | en0x | u should add +R |
| 14:57.16 | en0x | to this channel |
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| 15:00.19 | Ron001 | nt4cats: if I did manually remove the patch, would the Emerg Recon Util fix any inconsistencies? |
| 15:01.32 | nt4cats | Ron001: I don't know if EPR looks for all backup files -- or only looks for backup files for installed .ipks (I'll check the wiki) ... |
| 15:04.00 | destinal-pre | brb |
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| 15:06.13 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: sorry, working |
| 15:06.36 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: no, the recon utility fixes your status file (ie: tells preware what you have installed) |
| 15:08.17 | zsocwerkin | Ron001: epr does a better job at fixing orig files with magic. you can try removing just the 1 patch. the worst case scenerio is you'l need to manually repair files touched |
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| 15:20.15 | zsocwerkin | quiet... |
| 15:21.17 | nt4cats | zsoc: is that a comment or a command? |
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| 15:22.16 | zsocwerkin | comment to the room or command to the voices in my head, so... both? either? |
| 15:23.43 | Lumiere | zsocwerkin: do you have op here? |
| 15:24.01 | Lumiere | or maybe destinal-pre? |
| 15:24.23 | destinal-pre | what's upan |
| 15:24.24 | nt4cats | I've been checking PreCentral, twitter, and the app store every 11 minutes for about 2 weeks hoping that Flash would appear |
| 15:24.27 | destinal-pre | up |
| 15:24.48 | Lumiere | can you op, /mode +R #webos-internals and deop? :) |
| 15:25.37 | destinal-pre | oh ctcp spam again? |
| 15:25.40 | Lumiere | yea |
| 15:25.43 | Ron001 | thanks nt4cats and zsocwerkin |
| 15:26.05 | destinal-pre | sec |
| 15:30.09 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v destinal-pre] by ChanServ |
| 15:31.15 | zsocwerkin | Lumiere: someone decided to revoke +R.. I'd like to figure out who made that decision before I undo it. |
| 15:31.34 | Lumiere | ok |
| 15:32.06 | VincentLaw | didn't destinal remoev the +r? |
| 15:32.38 | zsocwerkin | nt4cats: you'd find out here first ;) |
| 15:33.15 | VincentLaw | we probably won't see flash until at least march, calling it now |
| 15:33.34 | zsocwerkin | VincentLaw: beta in feb, might be limited to devs tho |
| 15:33.34 | Lumiere | VincentLaw: I bet 2-14 |
| 15:34.31 | VincentLaw | I'm still sticking with my march estimate, even for beta |
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| 15:35.07 | zsocwerkin | actionscript is very similar to javascript right? |
| 15:35.13 | VincentLaw | I think everyone will /want/ it to come out as soon as 1.4 lands, but it's not tied to 1.4 and the way they talked at ces sound like they're not done with it yet even for a simultaneous 1.4 release |
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| 15:39.09 | destinal-work | looks like a bug in wirc, it said I had set +R undefined |
| 15:39.25 | destinal-work | so it's obviously expecting modes to only affect nicks |
| 15:39.31 | destinal-work | or some other argument |
| 15:40.10 | nt4cats | VincentLaw: the way I interpreted the CES chatter about Flash was that it would be included in 1.4 in beta form, but would be be available in the app catalog before 1.4 is released. |
| 15:40.44 | nt4cats | .. and I thought 1.4 was due in February, according to the CES slides (although I could be wrong) |
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| 15:41.00 | VincentLaw | 1.4 is, but I doubt flash will be with it |
| 15:41.07 | VincentLaw | especially since it's an app catalog distribution |
| 15:41.22 | VincentLaw | of course I'd like to be pleasantly surprised |
| 15:41.26 | VincentLaw | but I'm not holding my breath |
| 15:41.44 | nt4cats | VincentLaw: is your doubt because you don't believe what they said at CES, or because you have additional information (even if it is something you can't talk about directly)? |
| 15:41.46 | destinal-work | VincentLaw: Palm said that it was going to be made available as a downloadable beta FOR 1.4, which would imply after 1.4 comes out and before 1.5 it will be a downloadable beta |
| 15:41.56 | VincentLaw | what destinal just said |
| 15:42.12 | nt4cats | Ahh, I heard that wrong, then. |
| 15:42.15 | VincentLaw | nt4cats: I doubted it since the moment they said it, for what destinal said :p |
| 15:42.32 | VincentLaw | I think everyone else just heard what they wanted to hear lol |
| 15:43.16 | nt4cats | http://www.precentral.net/webos-14-coming-february-built-flash-video-etc |
| 15:43.38 | nt4cats | PreCentral heard what I did -- they reported 1.4 comes out in Feburary WITH flash |
| 15:43.52 | VincentLaw | precentral has been wrong before :p |
| 15:43.55 | nt4cats | I'm not saying they're correct -- I'm just saying that's what they said |
| 15:44.21 | nt4cats | (trying to provide evidence that I am not 100% crazy) |
| 15:44.25 | destinal-work | nt4cats: PreCentral misunderstood what they said at CES which was pretty clear |
| 15:44.31 | VincentLaw | I'll find the video part where they said it |
| 15:44.43 | destinal-work | nt4cats: I don't think you're crazty :) |
| 15:44.47 | destinal-work | /zty/zy/ |
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| 15:49.14 | destinal-work | nt4cats: read dieter's livelog from CES |
| 15:49.21 | destinal-work | 11:48: Real flash, flash 10, available in app catalog soon |
| 15:49.21 | destinal-work | 11:48: with work with any pre with webOS 1.4 |
| 15:49.28 | destinal-work | so it'll be in the app catalog for 1.4 |
| 15:49.32 | destinal-work | not bundled |
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| 15:50.07 | destinal-work | and no guarantees it'll be available by when 1.4 ships, just 1.4 or greater will be the OS you need to install and run it |
| 15:50.44 | nt4cats | destinal/VLaw: okay, thanks. I'm going to cry for a little bit and then do some more work. |
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| 15:51.14 | destinal-work | nt4cats: on the bright side, they said "soon" :) |
| 15:52.54 | VincentLaw | yeah |
| 15:53.00 | VincentLaw | I mean, it'd be great if we were wrong |
| 15:53.06 | VincentLaw | and it hit the catalog on 1.4 release day |
| 15:53.10 | destinal-work | FYI -- anyone who can't talk will need to register. I think some web clients may not alert you to that fact. We're not ignoring you. |
| 15:53.33 | nt4cats | Register your nick to speak: http://bit.ly/1MtZU |
| 15:53.45 | destinal-work | nt4cats: oh right, my topic is still there |
| 15:53.47 | destinal-work | :P |
| 15:54.11 | nt4cats | destinal-work: it's a good idea to mention that in-channel every once and a while, too. |
| 15:54.12 | destinal-work | I never removed that when I -R'd during the lull |
| 15:54.25 | destinal-work | which is a good thing as it turns out |
| 15:55.30 | Lumiere | ruthlessly steals destinal-work's message |
| 15:55.50 | destinal-work | hehe |
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| 16:10.17 | nt4cats | 'lo egaudet_work and FreeTim |
| 16:12.51 | FreeTim | test |
| 16:13.06 | FreeTim | ok, I think I am registered. If you cannot read this, let me know |
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| 16:18.08 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v egaudet_work] by ChanServ |
| 16:18.15 | egaudet_work | oh is +R back? |
| 16:18.19 | egaudet_work | morning |
| 16:25.45 | Lumiere | egaudet_work: destinal-work added |
| 16:27.01 | zsocwerkin | we should start a C40 rumor |
| 16:27.23 | zsocwerkin | for april fools |
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| 16:28.35 | VincentLaw | c40? |
| 16:29.11 | zsocwerkin | VincentLaw: yeah the new webos device with a snapdragon a 1gb of ram |
| 16:30.07 | VincentLaw | >.> |
| 16:30.27 | VincentLaw | I thought the snapdragon didn't have a decent GPU though |
| 16:30.50 | Lumiere | why not a full atom processor and nvidia mobile gpu |
| 16:30.55 | Lumiere | (eww) |
| 16:31.01 | VincentLaw | I'll take Tegra2 actually |
| 16:31.07 | VincentLaw | and OLED |
| 16:31.14 | VincentLaw | make it like the zunehd |
| 16:31.15 | Lumiere | or you could say it has the new apple A4? processor? |
| 16:31.31 | FreeTim | it'll have 64 G of ram and it'll be called the Palm Tamp |
| 16:31.49 | FreeTim | to rival the iPad , you know |
| 16:31.58 | Lumiere | yea saw that coming |
| 16:32.03 | Lumiere | from only about 10000 miles away |
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| 16:34.03 | bpadalino|work | good eye sight |
| 16:34.09 | Lumiere | nah |
| 16:34.21 | Lumiere | remote operated helicopter with a camera |
| 16:34.23 | Lumiere | :) |
| 16:34.31 | bpadalino|work | nice |
| 16:36.26 | bpadalino|work | building embedded systems is such a huge tradeoff .. it's amazing how many parts are out there |
| 16:39.42 | zsocwerkin | bpadalino: super true. I'd be happier with a TI davinci series for a predecessor |
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| 16:41.45 | iSmite | test |
| 16:41.46 | iSmite | ok |
| 16:42.04 | iSmite | i need help..trying to install sms per contact patch and it keeps saying error failed post install script |
| 16:43.42 | iSmite | 1 out of 1 hunk failed saving rejectw |
| 16:43.43 | iSmite | s |
| 16:44.03 | iSmite | what should i do? |
| 16:44.56 | *** join/#webos-internals MetaView (n=MetaView@p57B930AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:49.48 | egaudet_work | It probably conflicts with another patch you have installed |
| 16:50.16 | iSmite | i uninstalled all of them |
| 16:50.19 | iSmite | and rebooted |
| 16:50.23 | iSmite | befoe i installed it |
| 16:50.43 | iSmite | can i ssh in and find whats left, i dont know what the path to patches is |
| 16:50.45 | egaudet_work | try to run EPR |
| 16:50.51 | iSmite | maybe something didnt uninstall right? |
| 16:50.56 | egaudet_work | possible |
| 16:51.03 | iSmite | epr wont thta get rid of everything though? |
| 16:51.17 | egaudet_work | EPR will get rid of all your patches |
| 16:51.21 | iSmite | eek |
| 16:51.22 | egaudet_work | but you said you uninstalled them all anyway |
| 16:51.26 | iSmite | yes i did |
| 16:51.36 | iSmite | i mean |
| 16:51.37 | egaudet_work | so there's nothing to remove except leftover stuff |
| 16:51.51 | iSmite | no i mean i had a patch for sounds..and this new one i want is for sounds |
| 16:51.58 | iSmite | i have others but they are nothing to do with sounds |
| 16:52.15 | iSmite | i removed it and rebooted first, is there somewhere i can look for it in ssh |
| 16:53.27 | egaudet_work | the sms contacts per tone touches 3 packages |
| 16:53.31 | egaudet_work | IIRC |
| 16:53.37 | egaudet_work | messaging, contacts and sounds&alerts |
| 16:53.55 | iSmite | yes i dont have a patch that has anything to do with those |
| 16:54.13 | egaudet_work | which file is it complaining about the hunk failing? |
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| 16:54.48 | iSmite | messaging/models/lunaservices.js.rej |
| 16:55.53 | egaudet_work | which patch is this? |
| 16:56.36 | iSmite | sms per contact |
| 16:56.45 | egaudet_work | did you mean luna-service.js |
| 16:56.57 | iSmite | it says that after hunk failed |
| 16:57.00 | iSmite | all in red |
| 16:58.00 | iSmite | usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/models/messaging-luna-service.js.rej |
| 16:58.02 | zsocwerkin | my vote is on conflict. |
| 16:58.07 | egaudet_work | and you have 0 other messaging patches? |
| 16:58.24 | zsocwerkin | egaudet: there needs to be a way to flag patches which conflict, and offer them in packs instead |
| 16:58.38 | iSmite | ok the patches i have are |
| 16:58.56 | egaudet_work | well it's the only patch we have that touches that |
| 16:58.58 | iSmite | add date, enable led notifications, notification repeat and swipe to delete |
| 16:59.14 | egaudet_work | have you installed any patches or modified files outside of preware? |
| 16:59.29 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: what is saved in the .rej files? line info? |
| 16:59.30 | egaudet_work | could you send me your webos-patches.log file |
| 16:59.45 | egaudet_work | zsocwerkin: the failed hunks usually but that is --dry-run output so it's fake |
| 16:59.46 | iSmite | yep if you tell me where i get it |
| 17:00.02 | egaudet_work | USB mode or ssh /media/internal/webos-patches.log |
| 17:00.08 | iSmite | k 1min |
| 17:00.10 | zsocwerkin | bpadalino|work: you see the new AM3xxx series ti boards? |
| 17:01.13 | zsocwerkin | although I suppose they aren't terribly useful for mobile applications... |
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| 17:03.00 | iSmite | here egaudet colloquy wont let me send over irc http://public.me.com/pumpa |
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| 17:03.38 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v destinal-pre] by ChanServ |
| 17:04.00 | iSmite | brb a sec |
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| 17:06.50 | MetaView | hi |
| 17:06.51 | MetaView | how can I reach Dieter Bohn from precentral? |
| 17:07.52 | iSmite | egaudet what u reckon? |
| 17:08.57 | nt4cats | MetaView: there is a phone number on this page http://www.smartphoneexperts.com/staff |
| 17:09.37 | zsocwerkin | webcam video surface as a texture on a spinning opengles2.0 cube, hdmi out 720p, <10% cpu usage. I love these guys |
| 17:10.01 | zsocwerkin | MetaView: the better question is... why would you want to? :D |
| 17:11.06 | nt4cats | MetaView: http://www.google.com/profiles/dieterbohn/contactme?continue=http://www.google.com/profiles/dieterbohn |
| 17:11.07 | destinal-pre | harsh |
| 17:11.15 | egaudet_work | iSmite: what webos version? |
| 17:11.21 | iSmite | latest one |
| 17:11.26 | iSmite | 1.3.5.2 |
| 17:11.39 | zsocwerkin | destinal-pre: :( |
| 17:11.50 | destinal-pre | zsoc: what's new? |
| 17:11.52 | egaudet_work | iSmite: ssh in |
| 17:11.56 | iSmite | k |
| 17:12.08 | nt4cats | wishes he had a quarter for every time someone answered what version with latest one -- and soon thereafter found out they don't, in fact, have the actual latest version ... |
| 17:12.21 | *** join/#webos-internals djk (n=djk@ool-4573e23f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:12.24 | iSmite | it is the latest one isnt it? |
| 17:12.43 | destinal-pre | zsoc: you should have asked why anyone would want to talk to dieter when they could be here talking to us |
| 17:12.50 | nt4cats | iSmite: yes, that is the latest one I know of -- but "latest one" is a dangerous answer (and often not helpful) |
| 17:12.58 | destinal-pre | :P |
| 17:13.06 | iSmite | i wrote it straight underneath i just pressed enter by accident.. |
| 17:13.38 | egaudet_work | iSmite: type the following command and tell me the output: |
| 17:13.39 | zsocwerkin | destinal-pre: I suppose. it's not like I'm attacking his character? lol |
| 17:13.44 | nt4cats | iSmite: I wasn't complainig about you specifically ... especially because you did provide the version number right away ... |
| 17:13.54 | egaudet_work | grep luna-service /usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.palm.app.messaging.md5sums |
| 17:14.04 | iSmite | yeah whee am i typing that you know im thick |
| 17:14.04 | nt4cats | thinks dieter looks like a 12 year-old |
| 17:14.23 | destinal-pre | not like, what,that joker? :P |
| 17:14.34 | egaudet_work | in the terminal shell ssh'd into your pre |
| 17:14.50 | iSmite | does it mater what dir im in |
| 17:15.02 | egaudet_work | (btw I agree with nt4cats and was going to say "latest is not a valid answer" before you put the version :P ) |
| 17:15.05 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: no |
| 17:15.19 | iSmite | 529ec7cfcf459492535a83eeec936a18 *./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/models/messaging-luna-service.js |
| 17:15.20 | nt4cats | iSmite: it doesn't matter what dir you're in |
| 17:15.43 | egaudet_work | iSmite: ok now type this command: |
| 17:15.51 | destinal-work | what I don't get is why someone who JUST purchased a droid would want to jump ship for a pre plus, I mean I understand wanting the pre+, but a droid is totally reasonable |
| 17:16.00 | dBsooner | zsocwerkin: destinal removed it |
| 17:16.07 | iSmite | well..i moved from iphone to pre |
| 17:16.07 | egaudet_work | md5sum /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/models/messaging-luna-service.js |
| 17:16.11 | zsocwerkin | dBsooner: ty |
| 17:16.26 | iSmite | 0f27f84ec5248f10fa61560d4c050ec4 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/models/messaging-luna-service.js |
| 17:16.26 | zsocwerkin | destinal-work: have you _used_ a droid? heh |
| 17:16.30 | dBsooner | zsocwerkin: And I just realized that was from forever ago and my screen didn't autoscroll. |
| 17:16.48 | dBsooner | Pidgin fail. |
| 17:16.57 | zsocwerkin | dBsooner: it's cool I understood the context |
| 17:17.13 | nt4cats | destinal-work: (this is completely anecdotal) a colleage bought a droid on its launch day. He brought it in the office to show it off and couldn't figure out how to get ANYTHING to work (he spent 5 minutes fumbling around trying to find a list of running programs and then gave up in shame) |
| 17:17.14 | destinal-work | I totally recommended a friend who was looking into a new phone but on verizon, late last year, wait for January and see if there was a verizon pre out there |
| 17:17.25 | destinal-work | instead the moment the droid appeared he jumped |
| 17:17.36 | egaudet_work | iSmite: so here is where we are, that file is modified |
| 17:17.43 | nt4cats | s/colleage/guy I work with/ |
| 17:17.56 | egaudet_work | and I am really curious as to why/how it was modified |
| 17:17.56 | nt4cats | can't spell |
| 17:18.18 | zsocwerkin | egaudet: epr + pulling that file from doctor lol |
| 17:18.30 | MetaView | zsocwerkin: there is an app from me which has state published but which isn't visible yet |
| 17:18.37 | MetaView | nt4cats: thx |
| 17:18.51 | egaudet_work | zsocwerkin: forget the solution |
| 17:18.53 | egaudet_work | what is the cause |
| 17:18.57 | iSmite | egaudet- is it because of the yahoo plugin i have installed |
| 17:19.05 | egaudet_work | ooh it could be |
| 17:19.05 | dBsooner | yes |
| 17:19.08 | dBsooner | it is |
| 17:19.08 | destinal-work | dBsooner: also what did I remove? I'm totally lost :) |
| 17:19.12 | iSmite | aw what i need both though |
| 17:19.19 | dBsooner | destinal-work: +R |
| 17:19.21 | egaudet_work | Now who is patching outside of AUPT! |
| 17:19.32 | sugardave | got some basic git questions, as I'm just getting started with it...when I 'clone' a project, that's my own personal copy that I can do whatever with, and nothing will happen until I commit, right? |
| 17:19.33 | egaudet_work | where is this yahoo plugin? |
| 17:19.46 | FreeTim | nt4cats: My freind too, had a very hard time learning the Droid... he didn't get SMS messages for a long time but mostly, he coulnd't navigate the settings/ menus |
| 17:19.46 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: try patching them backwards, otherwise combine the patches |
| 17:19.55 | iSmite | dunno how |
| 17:19.59 | dBsooner | sugardave: commiting just commits to your local copy |
| 17:20.00 | iSmite | maybe i can work round it wait |
| 17:20.06 | sugardave | dBsooner: ah, okay |
| 17:20.07 | destinal-work | oh, right. probably should never have turned it back off. can't wait for ircd-seven |
| 17:20.08 | dBsooner | sugardave: nothing happens to remote until you push |
| 17:20.18 | egaudet_work | where is this yahoo plugin??? |
| 17:20.27 | egaudet_work | Patching outside of AUPT is semi-illegal in 49 states |
| 17:20.38 | sugardave | alright, and for something on github that says 'read-only repo'...how do you push to there? |
| 17:20.39 | dBsooner | still wonders why everyone and their dog has ops except him. |
| 17:20.51 | iSmite | all i want is a different text tone to the normal notifications because they all make the same noise and i dont know what is a text and what is a notification |
| 17:20.51 | dBsooner | sugardave: you don't. |
| 17:21.04 | dBsooner | iSmite: answer his question.. where is this yahoo plugin? |
| 17:21.05 | iSmite | can i do it differently |
| 17:21.08 | iSmite | hang on |
| 17:21.11 | dBsooner | :) |
| 17:21.12 | zsocwerkin | dBsooner: op is rarely needed here |
| 17:21.12 | destinal-work | dBsooner: on the internet, no one knows you're a dog |
| 17:21.20 | sugardave | then how does it get updated? |
| 17:21.25 | dBsooner | destinal-work: I know right. |
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| 17:21.46 | dBsooner | sugardave: By the actual maintainers of it. |
| 17:21.55 | dBsooner | sugardave: I am sure they have a special group of commiters |
| 17:22.02 | egaudet_work | and btw this is a perfect example of why EPR should probably never be used |
| 17:22.05 | sugardave | I see, so I will need to have some way to send my copy of the repo to them |
| 17:22.10 | dBsooner | but "read only" means you can only read it.. clone it.. you can't push it. |
| 17:22.27 | dBsooner | see if you can setup your own cloned "branch" |
| 17:22.29 | iSmite | ./media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications |
| 17:22.35 | dBsooner | and then you can request a merge |
| 17:22.44 | sugardave | dBsooner: thanks, I will mess with it |
| 17:23.22 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: patch on runtime? |
| 17:23.25 | zsocwerkin | ducks |
| 17:23.43 | dBsooner | Patching is about to become illegal, period. |
| 17:23.51 | zsocwerkin | egaudet: symlink patches like the themes idea? |
| 17:24.13 | FreeTim | destinal, OK if I quote that Dog saying and print out a banner at work? I'm putting in the break room |
| 17:24.15 | destinal-work | let's see if rick-home is online, I'll just say this and he'll react if so. |
| 17:24.15 | destinal-work | we really need duck punching instead of file patching |
| 17:24.28 | egaudet_work | the themes idea is probably going to give birth to duck punching |
| 17:24.53 | destinal-work | FreeTim: it's not mine, it's from the 1993 new yorker. http://www.unc.edu/depts/jomc/academics/dri/idog.html |
| 17:24.56 | egaudet_work | at least open it up, but the tiny patches like "hide app" or "landscape" etc.. probably won't ever go away |
| 17:25.33 | egaudet_work | iSmite: this yahoo plugin...? |
| 17:25.34 | destinal-work | so now you have a cartoon to print too :) |
| 17:25.42 | iSmite | yeah i gave u the path |
| 17:26.01 | iSmite | ./media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications |
| 17:26.09 | egaudet_work | I mean where/how did you get/install it |
| 17:26.32 | iSmite | from precentral its the only way i can get yahoo on my pre i installed it with quickinstall |
| 17:26.39 | iSmite | some bloke called greg |
| 17:27.17 | egaudet_work | link perchance? |
| 17:27.34 | egaudet_work | oh this is greg's stuff |
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| 17:28.55 | destinal-work | is greg maintaining that repository by chance? |
| 17:29.40 | iSmite | sorry do you still need the link |
| 17:30.03 | egaudet_work | nope |
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| 17:30.23 | iSmite | apparently the firmware for america has yahoo but the european one does not |
| 17:30.26 | AnOutsider | hey guys, sorry to derail, but anyone know what this error could be? http://i47.tinypic.com/2rqhyya.png |
| 17:30.28 | iSmite | and i need it |
| 17:30.28 | AnOutsider | I'd rather not go back to mytether |
| 17:30.34 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: hunt down greg and see if we can get him to put his patch part of it to the webos-patches feed |
| 17:30.54 | dBsooner | its binary |
| 17:30.57 | dBsooner | i thought |
| 17:31.05 | destinal-work | egaudet_work: well it's two pieces |
| 17:31.07 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider: yea it's an error telling you to use preware |
| 17:31.08 | egaudet_work | :p |
| 17:31.29 | iSmite | egaudet...i have a horrible feeling you are gonna tell me i cant have both... |
| 17:31.30 | egaudet_work | destinal-work: 2 pieces + individual plugins |
| 17:31.36 | egaudet_work | but he's split the patch into it's own ipk already |
| 17:31.41 | destinal-work | right |
| 17:31.45 | zsocwerkin | AnOutsider: why are you using wosqi... ? |
| 17:31.48 | egaudet_work | and it can "depend" on the other ipk's that are non-preware installable |
| 17:31.52 | destinal-work | and there's luna patching too |
| 17:31.53 | destinal-work | right |
| 17:32.00 | destinal-work | s/luna/stock messaging app/ |
| 17:32.04 | destinal-work | sorry |
| 17:32.11 | AnOutsider | well I'm about to go enable the beta feeds in preware. prob was terminal was bugging out |
| 17:32.13 | egaudet_work | so we can do this "right" within AUPT and not mess anything up for him |
| 17:32.15 | AnOutsider | so I just redoctored |
| 17:32.21 | destinal-work | ~~~~ |
| 17:32.22 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-work!!! |
| 17:32.34 | nt4cats | does the bot hate destinal-work |
| 17:32.41 | destinal-work | oh, I said something between the two |
| 17:32.51 | nt4cats | s/hate/really hate/ |
| 17:32.53 | destinal-work | ~infobot sorry that wasn't your fault |
| 17:32.53 | infobot | ACTION apologizes to that wasn't your fault |
| 17:33.02 | zsocwerkin | lol |
| 17:33.11 | iSmite | bots got a guilt complex |
| 17:33.12 | nt4cats | ~smack destinal-work |
| 17:33.13 | infobot | ACTION smacks destinal-work upside the head. |
| 17:33.18 | zsocwerkin | ~cake |
| 17:33.19 | infobot | the cake is a lie!, or so delicious and moist |
| 17:33.24 | zsocwerkin | :D |
| 17:33.28 | destinal-work | awesome |
| 17:34.16 | destinal-work | zsocwerkin: new you make me want to go break out Portal, it's on my steam account |
| 17:34.18 | AnOutsider | ~rwhitby |
| 17:34.19 | infobot | rumour has it, rwhitby is the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel. He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2. You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices). |
| 17:34.22 | destinal-work | s/new/now/ |
| 17:34.25 | zsocwerkin | so for serious. when are we starting this theme revolution? |
| 17:34.42 | destinal-work | ~zsoc |
| 17:34.42 | infobot | i guess zsoc is the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. |
| 17:34.52 | AnOutsider | lol |
| 17:35.29 | zsocwerkin | ~whe |
| 17:35.30 | infobot | rumour has it, whe is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time... |
| 17:35.35 | iSmite | am i buggered then, metaphirocally |
| 17:35.39 | iSmite | ugh typo |
| 17:35.43 | iSmite | metaphorically |
| 17:36.04 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: that is the preferred type of buggery |
| 17:36.10 | destinal-work | iSmite: I'm totally not going there |
| 17:36.10 | iSmite | yes |
| 17:36.14 | destinal-work | :P |
| 17:36.15 | iSmite | yes im not into that |
| 17:36.15 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: no, there are ways to fix your issues |
| 17:36.24 | destinal-work | infobot: think about it and see if you can find anything to add about zsoc. oh wait, you're not that smart. |
| 17:36.34 | destinal-work | ~spin |
| 17:36.39 | AnOutsider | ~AnOutsider |
| 17:36.48 | AnOutsider | :'( |
| 17:37.12 | iSmite | i wish i could legit get yahoo without a dumb plugin palm are xenophobic i swear lol |
| 17:37.20 | iSmite | no app store for us and no yahoo |
| 17:37.51 | AnOutsider | anyone else always have problems loading the palm catalog feeds over EVDO? |
| 17:38.33 | destinal-work | iSmite: well, the plugins are just libpurple plugins (like pidgin uses), so that's not dumb in that you can add all kinds of cool stuff that way |
| 17:38.37 | zsocwerkin | infobot AnOutsider is the guy you blame when the prethemer feed won't load |
| 17:38.38 | infobot | zsocwerkin: okay |
| 17:38.41 | destinal-work | iSmite: but I agree Palm should include it stock |
| 17:38.54 | iSmite | so..can i get my sound thing and have yaho or not |
| 17:39.21 | AnOutsider | haha zsoc |
| 17:39.24 | destinal-work | sound thing, I must have missed it |
| 17:39.39 | egaudet_work | iSmite: probably not, unless and until someone makes that patch compatible with the plugin patch |
| 17:39.39 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: if both patches are MIT, combine them, reinstall |
| 17:39.44 | iSmite | i want a different sound to my text than to all my other notifications |
| 17:39.46 | iSmite | oh poo |
| 17:39.48 | dBsooner | infobot: no, AnOutsider IS the reason the PreThemer feed won't load. |
| 17:39.49 | infobot | okay, dBsooner |
| 17:40.06 | iSmite | combine? eh? how and whats mit |
| 17:40.09 | destinal-work | this is why patching is evil |
| 17:40.10 | zsocwerkin | dBsooner: oh god, you just defined 'no,' lol |
| 17:40.16 | destinal-work | ~no |
| 17:40.24 | AnOutsider | ironically I enver have a problem with it. it's the palm feeds I have issues with. only deactivating themg ets preware to load |
| 17:40.27 | zsocwerkin | ~no, |
| 17:40.35 | AnOutsider | ~dtzwill |
| 17:40.36 | infobot | from memory, dtzwill is the master coder behind quake, VBA and the creator of the first homebrew screen overlay controls for SDL. |
| 17:40.42 | dBsooner | ~AnOutsider |
| 17:40.43 | infobot | rumour has it, anoutsider is the reason the PreThemer feed won't load. |
| 17:40.50 | dBsooner | :) |
| 17:40.54 | AnOutsider | and the reason i spend hours playing pokemon |
| 17:41.00 | zsocwerkin | dBsooner: oh, that's a workaround to forget? amazing. |
| 17:41.33 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: MIT is a type of licensing which lets you reuse and rerelease the patch with no restrictions |
| 17:42.07 | iSmite | ok well theres no way i can combine them ive only had a pre 3 days |
| 17:42.09 | destinal-work | ~no is not the answer. Apple is the question. No is the answer. |
| 17:42.11 | iSmite | i havent got a clue |
| 17:42.40 | iSmite | :( |
| 17:42.41 | destinal-work | ~wake up bot. get confused and so on |
| 17:42.42 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up bot. get confused and so on and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 17:43.04 | dtzWill | hahahaha |
| 17:43.14 | dtzWill | ~no |
| 17:43.19 | destinal-work | ~yes |
| 17:43.20 | infobot | i guess yes is the opposite of no |
| 17:43.30 | destinal-work | ~no is the opposite of yes |
| 17:43.43 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: a patch is just a patch, not webos specific |
| 17:43.49 | destinal-work | ~no is also apparently a word you do not wish to learn. |
| 17:44.08 | iSmite | yes but ive never done anything like that i do graphic design not stuff like that, i can ssh in and put stuff in places and thats about it |
| 17:44.15 | iSmite | a few commands |
| 17:44.34 | iSmite | would someone be able to do it for me is it a big job |
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| 17:46.54 | iSmite | hang on..cant i ssh into the messages app and just replace the music file in there? |
| 17:49.09 | iSmite | or wherever its stored |
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| 17:49.39 | egaudet_work | only 1 hunk is conflicting |
| 17:49.40 | iSmite | actually can someone tell me the path of alert and notification sound files cos i need them anyway |
| 17:49.53 | iSmite | whatever you think that i can understand loll |
| 17:49.55 | egaudet_work | so it shouldn't be hard to make the sms patch compatible with greg's messaging patch |
| 17:50.05 | egaudet_work | just need to get someone to do it :P |
| 17:50.06 | iSmite | yeah but i aint got a clue for things like that |
| 17:50.07 | iSmite | yep |
| 17:51.11 | iSmite | um ill beg, maybe even do a little dance if anyone's feeling nice... |
| 17:51.14 | iSmite | :P |
| 17:51.14 | iSmite | rofl |
| 17:52.50 | destinal-work | iSmite: the problem is, patching sucks, and you'd basically need someone to maintain this personal hybrid patch for you. this gets ugly really quickly |
| 17:53.09 | egaudet_work | actually this case would be very easy |
| 17:53.22 | destinal-work | yes but it would need to be done for every new version potentially |
| 17:53.24 | egaudet_work | the patch in question just creates functions at the end of the file, and so does greg's |
| 17:53.45 | egaudet_work | so this patch can move it's functions to another spot in the file |
| 17:53.54 | egaudet_work | and then we really need to explore duck punching |
| 17:54.38 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: it's a _really_ bad idea for js |
| 17:54.49 | destinal-work | zsocwerkin: why IS that |
| 17:54.50 | egaudet_work | zsocwerkin: duck punching? |
| 17:54.52 | AnOutsider | *watches preware spinning loader with growing hate* |
| 17:54.57 | egaudet_work | I thiought duck punching was basically made FOR javascript |
| 17:55.03 | xcomp|mobile | I just found an old evas demo I created a long time ago |
| 17:55.21 | egaudet_work | well not for javascript specifically, but javascript type languages |
| 17:55.25 | iSmite | well ok if its too hard can i manually go in and change the text sound? |
| 17:55.33 | xcomp|mobile | actually 2 |
| 17:56.29 | iSmite | why is itunes so shit, cant find album covers to albums |
| 17:56.36 | iSmite | now ive got to piss about doing it manually |
| 17:56.50 | iSmite | its not like its an unknown band |
| 17:58.03 | iSmite | can someone just tell me where the alert and notification sound are |
| 17:58.23 | xcomp|mobile | http://xcomputerman.com/files/emotion_trans.c |
| 17:59.15 | egaudet_work | iSmite: are you just wanting to differentiate alert vs. notification? |
| 17:59.17 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: the point is they are only as stable as they are written |
| 17:59.23 | iSmite | no |
| 17:59.38 | iSmite | but i want to know where the ssh path is anyway |
| 18:00.10 | iSmite | i dont get why every bloody nise on the thing is all one sound so i think ive got a text when its an im or missed call or anything its stupid |
| 18:00.21 | egaudet_work | the sms tone per contact patch allows a different tone for each contact for sms, i don't think any of that is supported in webos by default |
| 18:00.45 | iSmite | yeah all i want is my texts to have a different noise to notifications |
| 18:01.16 | egaudet_work | well in that case there is a patch for that |
| 18:01.27 | destinal-work | zsocwerkin: patching is hideous, being able to wrap functions with replacements, especially at a modular level, would be great. in some cases though we may be forced to replace a whole function which for copyright reasons we'd need to totally rewrite from scratch |
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| 18:01.54 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: where have you beeeeen |
| 18:02.07 | zsocwerkin | egaudet: plus we STILL have touching issues for multiple runtime patches. instead of failing on install, it would simple not work :p |
| 18:02.09 | oilsworkn | busy |
| 18:02.28 | egaudet_work | zsocwerkin: right |
| 18:02.41 | oilsworkn | where have you been? |
| 18:02.41 | nt4cats | remembers when oilsworkn used to love us |
| 18:02.45 | zsocwerkin | destinal-work: what about symlinking? |
| 18:02.45 | egaudet_work | there are situations where patching is better and situations where duckpunching is better |
| 18:03.04 | AnOutsider | wonders if this preware issue isn't a focus/activation issue in 1.4 :( |
| 18:03.07 | zsocwerkin | nt4cats: that was when we used mojo ;) |
| 18:03.22 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:03.26 | VincentLaw | AnOutsider: what? |
| 18:03.36 | egaudet_work | iSmite: |
| 18:04.10 | egaudet_work | preware -> available pacakge -> patch -> sounds and alerts -> Select Alert and Notification Tones is what you want |
| 18:05.08 | iSmite | no its not i had that, it just lets you change the tone |
| 18:05.20 | egaudet_work | that's what you just said you wanted |
| 18:05.26 | iSmite | but i want a DIFFERENT tone for texts it just does whatever i set for notifications |
| 18:05.38 | iSmite | i dont want everything to have the notification tone whatever i set it to |
| 18:06.02 | iSmite | u get me? |
| 18:06.28 | acydlord | she wants what the sms per contact patch provides |
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| 18:06.47 | egaudet_work | ohh I see |
| 18:07.07 | iSmite | yeah every time it makes a noise its the same damn noise i dunno whether its a text, missed call, whatever |
| 18:07.10 | egaudet_work | yeah so someone needs to modify the patch to move the functions in that file and then it will work |
| 18:07.11 | iSmite | no other phone is like that |
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| 18:07.20 | iSmite | :( |
| 18:07.44 | iSmite | i still need the ssh path please to sounds |
| 18:07.46 | nt4cats | acydlord: you've obviously made a mistake. You said "she". There aren't any girls on the irc. Silly man! |
| 18:07.57 | acydlord | there isnt a correct version of sms tones per contact for the O2 pres? |
| 18:08.51 | egaudet_work | acydlord: one of the files conflicts with the patch in the messaging plugins pack |
| 18:08.58 | egaudet_work | s/the patch/a patch/ |
| 18:09.06 | acydlord | ahh |
| 18:09.13 | egaudet_work | they both add methods to the end of the file |
| 18:09.28 | egaudet_work | so it wouldn't be hard to make this one add the methods to a different spot in the file |
| 18:09.35 | AnOutsider | egaudet: what's the thinking for themes and patches goign forward? |
| 18:09.38 | acydlord | so installing the sms tones and then plugins woulnt work either i take it |
| 18:10.09 | egaudet_work | themes need to become real and not the crappy image replacement and patch stuff they are now |
| 18:10.26 | egaudet_work | so I've begun research upon PuffTheMagic's ideas, and have a good idea for a legit themeing app |
| 18:10.27 | AnOutsider | solution? |
| 18:10.31 | iSmite | well saurik was/is in here he knows lol |
| 18:10.34 | iSmite | he is in here |
| 18:11.24 | iSmite | he created the iphone theming app |
| 18:11.34 | iSmite | which is why i <3 him |
| 18:11.39 | AnOutsider | which is that? |
| 18:11.43 | iSmite | winterboard |
| 18:11.46 | AnOutsider | summerboard/winterboard? |
| 18:11.48 | AnOutsider | ah ok |
| 18:11.50 | iSmite | only winter |
| 18:11.54 | iSmite | summer was someone else |
| 18:12.07 | egaudet_work | Right now I have proof of concept that I can dynamically change launch icons, make a single patch to allow CSS changes/overwrites without patching |
| 18:12.14 | destinal-work | was there ever an autumnboard or did they skip that? |
| 18:12.15 | destinal-work | :) |
| 18:12.19 | iSmite | lol |
| 18:12.28 | AnOutsider | verycool |
| 18:12.30 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider: what things are being theme'd outside of launch icons and css? |
| 18:12.34 | iSmite | summerboard was ok but with winterboard hes enabled us to theme the entire ui |
| 18:12.46 | AnOutsider | all my initial attempts at an app just used file copying with a service. i assume you DONT want to go that route |
| 18:12.53 | egaudet_work | right |
| 18:13.05 | AnOutsider | well, there's patches too, but that's secondary |
| 18:13.06 | egaudet_work | I don't want to touch Palm files at all, at least as very minimal as possible |
| 18:13.10 | iSmite | egaudet, the ui like the phone background and all the little pngs on the meus etc loads of shit |
| 18:13.11 | AnOutsider | some users like to change fonts |
| 18:13.32 | egaudet_work | iSmite: that will all be possible with CSS overwrites I think |
| 18:13.41 | egaudet_work | same thing |
| 18:13.51 | iSmite | css? but a lot of those are pngs |
| 18:14.02 | egaudet_work | the CSS tells it where the png is ;) |
| 18:14.15 | iSmite | ah ok..i wonder if thats how winterboard works |
| 18:14.32 | iSmite | and in an iphone theme we have plists that change font size, colour, shadow, position |
| 18:14.40 | AnOutsider | so egaudet: your app idea is to intercept calls to the css or? |
| 18:14.47 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider: and with the service the icons can be changed right away, with no reboot |
| 18:14.59 | AnOutsider | iSmite: right. I've got a few iphone themes under my belt as well :) |
| 18:15.08 | iSmite | who are you then what forum |
| 18:15.12 | iSmite | ill know who u are |
| 18:15.17 | AnOutsider | ok that sounds good |
| 18:15.26 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider: the CSS portion would be a small patch to the framework to add a CSS from some THEMES_DIR/<path> for each <path> css being loaded |
| 18:15.52 | iSmite | anoutsider what forum |
| 18:15.57 | egaudet_work | I've verified it works for a simple case of making THEME_DIR/<path to global.css> which changed something small like the color of the symbol popup selected char |
| 18:16.12 | AnOutsider | smart, so we'd just then have to know what filenames to replace and go |
| 18:16.16 | AnOutsider | iSmite: what forum? |
| 18:16.22 | iSmite | where do you post your themes |
| 18:16.50 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider: right, so instead of "patching file A" you'd make a new file A with only overwritten elements you want to modify, and then it'd go into your theme directory |
| 18:17.17 | egaudet_work | I envision the app being like the image viewer, choosing themes based on thumbnail/screenshot image |
| 18:17.36 | AnOutsider | iSmite: I don't... I'm not one for forums |
| 18:17.41 | AnOutsider | tho I did hang out on HoFo for a bit |
| 18:17.42 | iSmite | oh |
| 18:17.46 | iSmite | mine are all released |
| 18:17.49 | iSmite | on cydia and forums |
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| 18:18.12 | AnOutsider | http://www.ithemer.com/Corkboard-theme23.html <-- the only one I ever made public |
| 18:18.23 | AnOutsider | and it's not really public since I enver publicly "released" the site |
| 18:18.51 | AnOutsider | egaudet: I think it's a great idea. very simple, and would also get things standardized |
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| 18:19.04 | iSmite | ive had about 5 out |
| 18:19.07 | iSmite | working on one now |
| 18:19.10 | AnOutsider | we can then have users downloading themes and storing them so they can hotswap without redownloading |
| 18:19.17 | AnOutsider | for iPhone? |
| 18:19.18 | egaudet_work | yup |
| 18:19.22 | iSmite | yep |
| 18:19.25 | egaudet_work | and also the ability to add themes via drag/drop USB mode |
| 18:19.27 | AnOutsider | gave it up ages ago, the device just annoys me TBH |
| 18:19.31 | iSmite | lol |
| 18:19.32 | egaudet_work | as well as preware package installation |
| 18:19.41 | AnOutsider | ive got my iMac on right now fighting in xcode to re-submit this app to Crapple for the 500th time. |
| 18:19.54 | AnOutsider | sounds like a great solution |
| 18:20.04 | zsocwerkin | egaudet: what sever would the themes be located on? |
| 18:20.15 | AnOutsider | well, I'll help in whatever way I can, but you guys seem to have it all good |
| 18:20.15 | iSmite | ok can i just ask something quick- itunes- ive got all my album covers showing how do i put them in the actual folders so the mp3s show up as the album cover i forgot how |
| 18:20.23 | egaudet_work | same as they are now I assume |
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| 18:20.40 | AnOutsider | you mean the view mode? |
| 18:21.04 | AnOutsider | view -> ( as List | as Grid | coverflow ) |
| 18:21.04 | iSmite | in finder, when you open a folder full of music if correct, each file will show as the album cover |
| 18:21.07 | AnOutsider | you want grid I think |
| 18:21.09 | iSmite | no |
| 18:21.11 | iSmite | read above |
| 18:21.14 | AnOutsider | oh, finder, I dont use mac |
| 18:21.17 | iSmite | fuck |
| 18:21.28 | iSmite | well windows does the same doesnt it |
| 18:21.33 | iSmite | i cant remember how i did it |
| 18:21.45 | iSmite | how do i assign an album cover to a folder of music |
| 18:21.46 | AnOutsider | well in windows, you just chang folder view mode to be thumbnails |
| 18:21.49 | iSmite | no!! |
| 18:21.52 | iSmite | im not asking that |
| 18:21.55 | AnOutsider | then as long as the MP3 has artwork embedded, itll show the thumb |
| 18:21.58 | iSmite | yes |
| 18:22.01 | iSmite | how do i embed it |
| 18:22.13 | iSmite | they all have the cover in itunes |
| 18:22.23 | AnOutsider | in itunes, drag the art onto the mp3, or the tiny window on the left, or select all the mp3s u want, right click -> info |
| 18:22.27 | AnOutsider | drag it to the artwork tab |
| 18:22.39 | AnOutsider | if thwey ahve it in itunes, they should be in the mp3 |
| 18:22.44 | iSmite | they already have the covers on correctly in itunes |
| 18:22.49 | iSmite | not in the music folder though |
| 18:22.57 | iSmite | it worked before |
| 18:23.01 | AnOutsider | perhaps you have manage library disabled? in which case, I dont think itunes touches your mp3 files |
| 18:23.12 | AnOutsider | other than that, not sure, sorry man |
| 18:23.54 | AnOutsider | zsoc: I don't see why anything would change as far as theme storage |
| 18:24.00 | iSmite | yeah i just loked in get info and the artwork isnt in there yet it is showing in itunes wtf |
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| 18:24.20 | AnOutsider | they'd be safer now with no patching, and since all you'd store is the zip or ipk or whatever on a server, I'd say things could continue as they are |
| 18:24.29 | AnOutsider | with appropriate changes to feed files |
| 18:25.13 | iSmite | aaargh why is this not working it usually works |
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| 18:36.08 | AnOutsider | anyone ever get novaterm working in windows 7? |
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| 18:36.16 | AnOutsider | without that annoying error message on every key stroke? |
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| 18:40.56 | zsocwerkin | AnOutsider: virtualbox. ubuntu. |
| 18:41.31 | AnOutsider | well as a workaround, I just used novacom |
| 18:41.40 | AnOutsider | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 18:42.14 | egaudet_work | skip virtual box and make ubuntu the host, a real OS :) |
| 18:42.21 | zsocwerkin | AnOutsider: that works in windows? leet |
| 18:42.53 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: I'm not going to suggest that to the average user |
| 18:43.32 | egaudet_work | ubuntu it, wrap windows in VB, life is good |
| 18:43.59 | egaudet_work | dual boot is good too for those rare times you need windows host :P |
| 18:44.41 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: _need_ a windows host? for what? :p |
| 18:44.44 | egaudet_work | touche ;) |
| 18:45.35 | zsocwerkin | dtzWill: buddy of mine wants TOGGLE turbo instead of momentary. possible? |
| 18:48.13 | egaudet_work | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/227715-some-minor-details-webos-1-4-a.html |
| 18:48.27 | zsocwerkin | infobot: crickets are what you hear right now throughout the channel |
| 18:48.27 | infobot | ...but crickets is already something else... |
| 18:48.36 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: good work |
| 18:48.38 | zsocwerkin | ~crickets |
| 18:48.38 | infobot | ACTION chirps uninterestedly |
| 18:48.41 | zsocwerkin | ha |
| 18:48.45 | egaudet_work | good work what? |
| 18:49.43 | egaudet_work | is confused |
| 18:50.24 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: egaudet: how is this theme architecture going to be implemented? service? |
| 18:50.34 | oilsworkn | magic |
| 18:50.47 | egaudet_work | C Service + Patch + App |
| 18:51.27 | zsocwerkin | egaudet: er... what does the patch do? |
| 18:51.29 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: modify the framework a little so that themes can be selected similar to how "light/dark" is changed in preware |
| 18:51.35 | PuffTheMagic | but on a global scale |
| 18:51.56 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: well that's how CSS is made to work anyway |
| 18:52.08 | zsocwerkin | why didn't we do this before? |
| 18:52.24 | oilsworkn | do what? |
| 18:52.26 | PuffTheMagic | instead of app specific |
| 18:53.18 | zsocwerkin | oilsworkn: teh power of CSS for instatheming |
| 18:54.44 | AnOutsider | why didnt we jump right to HTML5 instead of all that font stuff ;) |
| 18:55.13 | zsocwerkin | AnOutsider: because it's not fully implemented? |
| 18:55.22 | zsocwerkin | although fonts should work |
| 18:55.33 | zsocwerkin | I think the answer is we aren't web developers lol |
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| 18:56.13 | AnOutsider | my point was... everything is a progression |
| 18:56.36 | AnOutsider | that's like asking why we bothered with black&white Tv, why didnt we jump to LCD flatscreens |
| 18:57.19 | AnOutsider | im still curious how it's going to be done though. I mean, I know how CSS works (cascading and all), but I'd imagine, each app would need to be patched to reference the CSS? |
| 18:57.28 | AnOutsider | unless there's some higher up base class that defines path to css |
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| 18:59.52 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: well the patch will probably end u doing both |
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| 19:01.20 | egaudet_work | install additional "themes" like -dark, which would require the theme to supply ALL Palm widget CSS. as well as allow each individual css stylesheet that is loaded to have parts overwritten by a theme, to allow themeing all apps using the default theme: as well |
| 19:01.54 | egaudet_work | The latter part is easier, the former is a little bit trickier although I have only briefly looked at that portion |
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| 19:02.30 | AnOutsider | gotcha, and it makes sense given the nature of things |
| 19:02.41 | AnOutsider | excited for it. like I said, if you need help on anythng, just lemme know |
| 19:03.03 | AnOutsider | I imagine your efforts will mostly be spent on other things, but I've got a lot of CSS experience under my belt |
| 19:03.16 | egaudet_work | The css is loaded by a single framework function |
| 19:03.43 | egaudet_work | so simply loading an additional css file on top of the one its loading is my initial idea |
| 19:03.59 | egaudet_work | when that file is supplied by the theme of course. |
| 19:04.26 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: er.. so wait, there's going to be 1 patch which modifies all files that can be edited by a theme? |
| 19:04.37 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: or is the framework already there for that? |
| 19:04.53 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider: all this talk just started yesterday so it has a ways to go, but when it eventually gets to "testing" phase we'll need a few different themes that do many things to test with :) |
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| 19:05.08 | egaudet_work | zsocwerkin: not following? "all files" |
| 19:05.18 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: left4dead theme is super deep |
| 19:05.27 | egaudet_work | every single CSS that is "loaded" goes down to a single "loadStylesheet" call in the framework |
| 19:05.31 | egaudet_work | which supplies the path to teh css file |
| 19:05.45 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: so every themeable file already uses that framework? |
| 19:05.48 | egaudet_work | the patch is going to load that css file and then check if THEME_DIR/<path> css file exists load that one too |
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| 19:06.11 | egaudet_work | so every single CSS in the system can be overwritten by the theme |
| 19:06.29 | egaudet_work | and not entire css files either, you can make that csss file change one single class element |
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| 19:07.11 | egaudet_work | There are bound to be cases where some apps change styles in JS but those are wrong imo |
| 19:11.18 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: yeah of course global changes will propigate down to individual apps |
| 19:11.35 | PuffTheMagic | but i just mean its on a higher level than what is demonstrated in Prware |
| 19:12.50 | zsocwerkin | what are we going to call this theming technology? |
| 19:15.58 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 19:16.01 | PuffTheMagic | technology? |
| 19:16.09 | PuffTheMagic | Prethemer :D |
| 19:17.11 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: Webos-Internals Theme API |
| 19:17.13 | nt4cats | CTRA Technology |
| 19:17.26 | PuffTheMagic | its not technology |
| 19:17.34 | nt4cats | CSS Transmogrification Redundant Arconym Technology |
| 19:18.02 | PuffTheMagic | they are just themes |
| 19:18.08 | PuffTheMagic | and a spec/api for the theme |
| 19:18.21 | PuffTheMagic | not much of a new technology |
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| 19:19.33 | egaudet_work | It's not a technology it's an APP (at least to users perspective) |
| 19:19.45 | nt4cats | but it doesn't sound cool unless you call it a technology |
| 19:20.17 | JMyaDaGod | egaudet_work : did u see this thread :http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/227298-virtual-keyboard-bad-battery-life.html |
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| 19:20.59 | egaudet_work | JMyaDaGod: yea and at first glance I think it's probably bogus |
| 19:21.51 | egaudet_work | the only thing the VKB patch does while not being used is track gesture area "key events", but that isn't something that will drain a battery |
| 19:21.52 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: [98.7% probability of being unrelated] I've noticed intermittent high CPU load on my Pre starting a week or ten days ago ... when it happens my battery drains VERY fast. |
| 19:22.28 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: let me make sure it is still happening and then I'll uninstall VK for a few days just to prove it isn't you |
| 19:22.31 | JMyaDaGod | egaudet_work :yea i can never get a decent read on how long my battery last i just use multiple batteries ... I just know it doesnt last long b/c i am always doing something on it and im fine with that lol |
| 19:23.04 | egaudet_work | my battery usually does good, but once in a while some days it just flies out in a few hours |
| 19:23.47 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: "flies out in a few hours" is exactly what I see here (I'd say a bout 10% downtick in battery level every 20-30 minutes) |
| 19:24.01 | JMyaDaGod | i prolly get 5 hours out of it ...but thats with email forwarded right away and me on internet in class lmao |
| 19:24.07 | egaudet_work | nt4cats: sign out of aim |
| 19:24.19 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: I am not configured for AIM |
| 19:24.34 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: and I *rarely* log my messaging app in to Google |
| 19:24.41 | egaudet_work | it was worth a shot :P |
| 19:24.50 | egaudet_work | I know AIM sucks battery |
| 19:27.20 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: something on my Pre changed in the last two weeks -- I had very consistently good battery performance post-1.3.5 ... and then I got these intermittent power drains. |
| 19:27.53 | JMyaDaGod | with original pre battery and 3 centro batteries and car charger i never find myself with out a good battery.... |
| 19:28.20 | AnOutsider | egaudet_work: that's fine. Should be easy to export any theme in a new format |
| 19:28.23 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: I don't think it is your app at all -- but (assuming my problem is the same as the forum poster's) that'd be a fairly easy thing to disprove (uninstall VK and see that battery drain is still happening) |
| 19:30.47 | sdodson | How do I remove patches from the command line? |
| 19:32.20 | egaudet_work | you don't! |
| 19:32.24 | egaudet_work | or |
| 19:32.35 | egaudet_work | you don't |
| 19:32.46 | egaudet_work | sdodson: what's the issue |
| 19:35.09 | egaudet_work | So let's get a name for this amazing theme app |
| 19:35.12 | egaudet_work | ThemeIT |
| 19:35.20 | egaudet_work | Cyclone |
| 19:36.12 | sdodson | egaudet_work: I rebooted my phone and now the lock screen isn't displaying properly. I'd like to remove patches and/or the theme to see if I can get things sane again. |
| 19:36.40 | egaudet_work | Preware not working for that? |
| 19:36.51 | sdodson | egaudet_work: Last thing I was doing was trying to updated my patches to the aupt versions. |
| 19:37.03 | sdodson | egaudet_work: how do i run preware on a phone that's locked? |
| 19:37.27 | egaudet_work | ooh you can't get in |
| 19:37.28 | AnOutsider | Prethemer! |
| 19:38.11 | egaudet_work | hehe |
| 19:38.40 | sdodson | egaudet_work: Ya, it's not a good situation. I'm close to doctoring it but i'd like to try to remove all patches first to see if that works. |
| 19:38.44 | egaudet_work | sdodson: what lock screen btw? |
| 19:39.40 | sdodson | egaudet_work: pin entry |
| 19:40.04 | egaudet_work | sdodson: well let's install/run EPR from command line then if you want? |
| 19:40.13 | sdodson | egaudet_work: sure |
| 19:40.24 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update |
| 19:40.34 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-patch-recovery |
| 19:41.04 | egaudet_work | IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.emegency-patch-recovery.postinst |
| 19:41.52 | egaudet_work | (after it's all done, restart luna) pkill LunaSysMgr |
| 19:42.06 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: libraries/pdl.git is created now :D |
| 19:42.46 | sdodson | egaudet_work: do i have to have remounted the fs rw first? |
| 19:42.53 | sdodson | mv: cannot rename '/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig': Read-only file system |
| 19:43.19 | zsocwerkin | InstaThemer© |
| 19:43.55 | AnOutsider | I like that too |
| 19:43.59 | AnOutsider | or quite simply |
| 19:44.01 | AnOutsider | Theme Manager |
| 19:44.03 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: NotByJasonThemes |
| 19:45.55 | zsocwerkin | sdodson: yeah, mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:46.29 | sdodson | egaudet_work: sweet, EPR worked, thanks |
| 19:46.34 | sdodson | zsocwerkin: thanks |
| 19:49.14 | Rick_work | egaudet are instructions for running epr by hand from the command line on the wiki? I can see how this would be a useful thing to be able to send people to. |
| 19:49.42 | zsocwerkin | rick-home: only if their lock screen is borked :p |
| 19:49.54 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin -- so??? |
| 19:50.08 | Rick_work | I'll betcha I can think of another reason. |
| 19:50.22 | sdodson | no one locks their screen? |
| 19:50.28 | Rick_work | god no |
| 19:50.30 | Rick_work | why would I ??? |
| 19:50.52 | Rick_work | all it does is make it 1000 x harder to answeer a call or look something up |
| 19:50.55 | JMyaDaGod | < i dont lock my screen .....i would if i could get the driod dot screen lock just because it looks cool not for safety |
| 19:51.05 | egaudet_work | Should EPR be changed into a dependent package? THat on install installs a script on removal runs the script? |
| 19:51.15 | egaudet_work | and then the command line would be "run this script" |
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| 19:51.23 | Rick_work | THAT would be wonderful |
| 19:51.27 | zsocwerkin | epr-bootstrap lol |
| 19:51.43 | Rick_work | because sometimes, people for example, lose preware. |
| 19:51.54 | Rick_work | Instead of going through all that, we just run epr-bootstrap. |
| 19:53.02 | egaudet_work | Well I guess it can't be a dependent pacakge of patches |
| 19:53.13 | egaudet_work | that kind of defeats its purpose |
| 19:54.20 | egaudet_work | but the "install epr-bootstrap" package could be the dependent |
| 19:54.29 | iSmite | i have 20gb in my trash can. |
| 19:54.32 | iSmite | itunes fail. |
| 19:54.39 | iSmite | who highlighted me |
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| 19:54.52 | zsocwerkin | mmm.. chainsaw infanticide logger maneuver... |
| 19:54.57 | iSmite | ugh i have theme as a highlight word worry. |
| 19:55.01 | iSmite | sorry |
| 19:55.09 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: lol @ NBJT |
| 19:55.15 | zsocwerkin | I like themes. |
| 19:55.19 | iSmite | so can someone just pls tell me the ssh path to notification and alert sounds pleease |
| 19:55.19 | zsocwerkin | theme theme theme. |
| 19:55.25 | egaudet_work | InstaThemer hmm |
| 19:55.30 | iSmite | it dont work wen i have colloquy in front lol |
| 19:55.43 | egaudet_work | I want something catchy and cool and cool |
| 19:55.47 | iSmite | brb someone tell me that path whilst i thrash my housemate at pro evo YET AGAIN |
| 19:55.52 | iSmite | i rule at that |
| 19:55.53 | Rick_work | if you like themes, how about you take over managing them???? |
| 19:55.53 | egaudet_work | like "ooooh" themessss |
| 19:55.54 | iSmite | :P |
| 19:56.12 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: you haven't heard the plan yet? |
| 19:56.28 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: find /media | grep notification.wav |
| 19:56.35 | Rick_work | plan? We have a plan now? I went to bed whilst you were debating the plan. |
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| 19:56.51 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: plan is awesome. full of runtime patches |
| 19:56.54 | zsocwerkin | ducks |
| 19:56.54 | Rick_work | Is this the "patch the system so that it looks at a theme folder and checks to see if there are files there first" plan? |
| 19:57.05 | egaudet_work | Well no one has turned the plan down yet so I'm declaring it THE plan |
| 19:57.30 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: yeah, and last night I proved that I can change applications launch icons from a C service on the fly |
| 19:57.37 | egaudet_work | (and without reboot required they change!) |
| 19:58.00 | egaudet_work | but not check if there are files there first |
| 19:58.08 | destinal-work | zsocwerkin: you know nothing. :P |
| 19:58.12 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: a global version of the palm vs. palm dark change |
| 19:58.14 | destinal-work | ok maybe something |
| 19:58.22 | zsocwerkin | destinal-work: I WAS MAKING A JEST |
| 19:58.30 | zsocwerkin | I know how to type make :( |
| 19:58.31 | egaudet_work | for every single CSS loaded it will load the <path_to_css_file> and THEME_DIR/<path_to_css_file> (if it exists) so you can overwrite any and all CSS classes you want |
| 19:58.37 | Rick_work | So, how do you catch every reference to every image file that might be themed? |
| 19:58.38 | destinal-work | zsocwerkin: lol, more than that |
| 19:59.01 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: if the <path to icon.png> exists in THEME_DIR/ then it's "themed" |
| 19:59.05 | egaudet_work | and use that icon instead |
| 19:59.10 | Rick_work | ahhhh..... |
| 19:59.19 | egaudet_work | C service + inotify |
| 19:59.19 | Rick_work | uh |
| 19:59.22 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: it's actually quite safe |
| 19:59.38 | Rick_work | So we freaking QUIT REPLACING THE PALM FILES. |
| 19:59.49 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: right :) |
| 19:59.49 | egaudet_work | mmmhmmm |
| 19:59.51 | Rick_work | Have we talked to the guy who wrote theme builder? |
| 19:59.58 | egaudet_work | Jason? |
| 19:59.59 | zsocwerkin | destinal-pre: see it knew that :p |
| 20:00.10 | Rick_work | oh it's Jason? |
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| 20:00.14 | egaudet_work | yeah |
| 20:00.18 | zsocwerkin | s/it/I, who am not a bot,/ |
| 20:00.44 | Rick_work | oh goody. he just won't hang out here. |
| 20:00.49 | Rick_work | have we contacted him yet? |
| 20:00.50 | egaudet_work | right lol |
| 20:00.52 | egaudet_work | no |
| 20:01.00 | egaudet_work | I only POC'd the 2 parts last night |
| 20:01.03 | Rick_work | how hard is the code? |
| 20:01.13 | zsocwerkin | he's ignored me for 3 days straight now |
| 20:01.27 | egaudet_work | but nothing hard will be needed from Jason or AnOutsider (and AnOutsider already likes the idea) |
| 20:01.33 | FreeTim | Well, at least he ignored you Urgently |
| 20:01.57 | Rick_work | because you know damned good and well that we can't implement this without a BIG WARNING that this is INCOMPATIBLE with WOSQI theme installs, and if you've done that, for GOD SAKE don't do this. Red, with a button to click through in preware. |
| 20:02.06 | zsocwerkin | FreeTim: I generally ignore people fervently |
| 20:02.12 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: nope it won't be incompatible |
| 20:02.18 | Rick_work | uh |
| 20:02.20 | egaudet_work | in the sense that it will cause issues |
| 20:02.38 | zsocwerkin | rick-home: they can revert their theme the way they would do normally |
| 20:02.40 | Rick_work | well, removing the preware installed theme leaves you with a wosqi theme still installed..... |
| 20:02.45 | egaudet_work | I mean bad issues that current themes cause :p |
| 20:02.51 | Rick_work | right |
| 20:03.01 | Rick_work | but we still need a warning. |
| 20:03.06 | zsocwerkin | but that doesn't break anything |
| 20:03.06 | egaudet_work | I agree |
| 20:03.15 | zsocwerkin | ours just 'wins' |
| 20:03.18 | egaudet_work | "WARNING: don't use anything else to theme" |
| 20:03.20 | egaudet_work | hehe |
| 20:03.31 | Rick_work | If you've already installed a theme with wosqi or preware prior to DATE.... then remove it before you do this.... |
| 20:03.42 | egaudet_work | before or after won't matter |
| 20:03.49 | Rick_work | kk |
| 20:03.53 | zsocwerkin | it's really not bad. it's 100 times better than leaving a theme through OTA |
| 20:03.53 | Rick_work | either way, remove it. |
| 20:04.00 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 20:04.12 | Rick_work | no no, I -like- it. |
| 20:04.14 | egaudet_work | "if you don't want the palm default theme to be your preware/QI theme then REMOVE IT" |
| 20:04.19 | destinal-work | bbiab |
| 20:04.20 | zsocwerkin | 'i left a theme installed and used InstaThemer, what I do do?'... 'remove your theme'... 'oh' |
| 20:04.33 | Rick_work | i'm just thrying to get a handle on it. |
| 20:04.48 | Rick_work | So, do the theme builders have to build a css file? or do we do that? |
| 20:05.13 | egaudet_work | ya know 2 days ago I was completely ignoring themes and wanted them to die out, then PuffTheMagic brings up the idea and now look where it's going :p |
| 20:05.32 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: the themers make the css files |
| 20:05.44 | Rick_work | and we'll have to publish a spec..... |
| 20:05.48 | egaudet_work | the themer has to pick/choose/decide what css classes they want/need to change |
| 20:06.05 | egaudet_work | they did that originally by supplying entire modified CSS files |
| 20:06.09 | egaudet_work | then they changed to patching |
| 20:06.13 | Rick_work | making a css file and overriding css classes is WAY more complex than replacing a file with a different file of the same name. |
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| 20:06.39 | egaudet_work | now they'll change to overwriting JUST the css classes they need in a file with the exact same path as the palm one except within their theme dir |
| 20:06.58 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: how is it way more complex? |
| 20:07.05 | Rick_work | nevermind |
| 20:07.07 | Rick_work | I see pain |
| 20:07.13 | Rick_work | it's ok, I'm used to idiots. |
| 20:07.19 | Rick_work | Do we have a write-up yet? |
| 20:07.23 | egaudet_work | not yet |
| 20:07.42 | destinal-pre | "I see dumb people" |
| 20:07.45 | egaudet_work | Any one who is themeing without knowing what they are doing probably should stop |
| 20:07.45 | destinal-pre | :P |
| 20:07.46 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 20:07.46 | Rick_work | can you toss a few words into the wiki under theme installer or something and point me to it. |
| 20:07.55 | egaudet_work | the users can be dumb, the devs/designers not so much |
| 20:08.08 | Rick_work | just a quicky, and I'll try to edit into a spec???? |
| 20:08.25 | Rick_work | Include your sample css..... |
| 20:08.32 | egaudet_work | OK what to name the page THEME API ? |
| 20:08.43 | Rick_work | Theme Installer API |
| 20:08.45 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: lol |
| 20:08.46 | PuffTheMagic | sorry |
| 20:08.55 | Rick_work | Theme Management API |
| 20:08.58 | Rick_work | either of those. |
| 20:09.00 | destinal-pre | coming up with a sample theme or 50 to steal would help them |
| 20:09.10 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 20:09.18 | destinal-pre | tmapi? |
| 20:09.27 | zsocwerkin | InstaThemer Theme API |
| 20:09.27 | Rick_work | yep |
| 20:09.28 | zsocwerkin | xD |
| 20:09.35 | Rick_work | nope zsoc |
| 20:09.36 | Rick_work | tmapi |
| 20:09.54 | Rick_work | I like that. |
| 20:10.45 | zsocwerkin | er... tmapi's are 'top map's... |
| 20:11.04 | destinal-pre | oh,name collision? |
| 20:11.05 | destinal-pre | alas |
| 20:11.50 | Rick_work | so, a theme BUILDER program would scan all the CSS files on the phone, looking for image files in the CSS and provide a list of them to pick from... and then let you choose a file on your drive somewhere and it would copy the file into the appropriate place under "mytheme" and put a line in mytheme.css that said themes/mytheme/yadayadayada/image.png |
| 20:11.58 | Rick_work | thmapi |
| 20:12.16 | Rick_work | ThMApi |
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| 20:15.17 | destinal-pre | builder is good idea. |
| 20:15.49 | destinal-pre | have it make ipks while were at it |
| 20:15.54 | dtzWill | wow this theme idea is really coming along nicely :) |
| 20:16.25 | destinal-pre | or a desktop ver that can |
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| 20:25.40 | egaudet_work | http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Theme_Management_API&action=submit |
| 20:25.53 | egaudet_work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Theme_Management_API |
| 20:25.54 | egaudet_work | woops |
| 20:25.57 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: ^^ |
| 20:26.10 | Rick_work | got it |
| 20:26.52 | egaudet_work | the builder searching css for images is really good idea |
| 20:27.04 | egaudet_work | make it easier for designers to build themes without knowing any code |
| 20:27.29 | egaudet_work | but please we need to OSS it and get it doctor agnostic |
| 20:28.35 | Rick_work | kk |
| 20:28.52 | Rick_work | but I'm about to ask you a hundred bazillion questions now. |
| 20:29.11 | egaudet_work | good |
| 20:29.17 | Rick_work | let's start with your section entitled theme designer api. |
| 20:30.47 | Rick_work | So, I will have a folder /media/internal/tmapi_example/usr/palm/applictions..... |
| 20:31.05 | Rick_work | ooops /media/internal/.themes/...... |
| 20:31.22 | Rick_work | and within .themes might be theme1 theme2 theme3 etc right? |
| 20:31.39 | egaudet_work | right |
| 20:32.02 | Rick_work | how does the C service know which theme is active? |
| 20:32.33 | zsocwerkin | I'd imagine the app adjusts the pointer |
| 20:32.36 | egaudet_work | I'm thinking "active theme" will be /var/active_theme -> sym link |
| 20:32.45 | Rick_work | ok |
| 20:32.49 | egaudet_work | which will sym link to one of those dirs |
| 20:32.51 | zsocwerkin | and the pointer is a symlink, good idea |
| 20:32.57 | egaudet_work | theme1, theme2, etc... |
| 20:32.58 | Rick_work | so you can only have one theme at a time active. |
| 20:33.01 | egaudet_work | right |
| 20:33.19 | Rick_work | so I can't load a "theme the phone" theme and a "theme the launcher" theme from two different sources. |
| 20:33.41 | Rick_work | that's fine, as long as I know. |
| 20:33.56 | Rick_work | So, there has to be a "theme manager" app which selects which of the installed themes is active. |
| 20:34.11 | zsocwerkin | yep, and THUMBNAILS! Hehe |
| 20:34.15 | egaudet_work | right |
| 20:34.28 | zsocwerkin | pretends to be a part of this |
| 20:34.29 | egaudet_work | I'm thinking right now the theme app will be thumbnails of screenshots of the launcher with the theme installed |
| 20:34.36 | egaudet_work | and you select them kind of like how you apply wallpaper |
| 20:34.42 | Rick_work | and in /media/internal/.themes/theme1 there MUST be a file called "description.html" which contains the description of the theme... |
| 20:35.09 | egaudet_work | i wouldn't say MUST, but it would be a good idea |
| 20:35.12 | Rick_work | egaudet some themes don't mess with launcher, some mess primarily with the dialpad. |
| 20:35.38 | Rick_work | ok, so if there is no description.html then the theme manager says "Theme1: No description available." |
| 20:35.41 | egaudet_work | We can also think about splitting up theming into categories |
| 20:35.46 | egaudet_work | like "launcher, dialpad" etc... |
| 20:35.54 | egaudet_work | currently I'm thinking of themes as a system-wide theme |
| 20:36.03 | Rick_work | that's fine. System wide works fro me. |
| 20:36.06 | egaudet_work | finer grained can come afterwards |
| 20:36.07 | Rick_work | just checking |
| 20:36.09 | egaudet_work | yup |
| 20:36.21 | egaudet_work | I wasn't even thinking about dialpad only type of things so it's good you brought it up |
| 20:36.57 | Rick_work | ok, so then, /framework/global.css has a css entry that points to /user/palm/applications/phone/dialpad/1.png |
| 20:37.07 | Rick_work | and I put a new 1.png in my matching folder. |
| 20:37.23 | Rick_work | How does the C service know to overwrite that 1.png? |
| 20:38.22 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: overwrite? |
| 20:38.27 | Rick_work | whatever. |
| 20:38.47 | Rick_work | how does it know to re-direct from the default 1.png to MY 1.png and yet the 2.png through because I didn't replace it. |
| 20:39.07 | Rick_work | do I have to have an edit for the 1.png css in my global.css? because eric's example didn't say so.... |
| 20:39.09 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: I believe that's what the patch does. 'if exists' else regular |
| 20:39.40 | zsocwerkin | so you apply the patch, if you don't use instathemer, no harm done |
| 20:40.01 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:40.16 | Rick_work | but if I want to I can override the css for 1.png and set height and width and etc. |
| 20:40.19 | Rick_work | Morning rwhitby |
| 20:40.30 | Rick_work | are you home yet? |
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| 20:41.16 | rwhitby | I'm in the right country, but 1292 miles from home. |
| 20:42.00 | Rick_work | still a flight away huh? |
| 20:42.04 | Rick_work | in an airport? |
| 20:42.09 | destinal-pre | its a big country |
| 20:43.02 | Rick_work | it is a big country. |
| 20:43.19 | Rick_work | oh, by the way, happy Kansas Day everyone. |
| 20:43.55 | Rick_work | Rod missed au day while he was in Japan. :( |
| 20:44.19 | Rick_work | Ks day is being celebrated with a snow storm. :) |
| 20:44.24 | Rick_work | egaudet back to work sorry. |
| 20:44.50 | Kyusaku | I remember Narita airport had some kind of Sprint hotspot |
| 20:44.53 | Rick_work | So, egaudet your C service will dynamically redirect css calls to 1.png if it exists in the theme directory.... |
| 20:44.57 | Kyusaku | back in 2008 |
| 20:45.10 | Rick_work | (matching path and everything...) |
| 20:45.46 | Rick_work | and we don't have to do any "patching" of css files at all, so if a theme is JUST swapping images, there's nothing more to it than dropping the images into the right place..... no css writing at all. |
| 20:46.06 | dBsooner | rwhitby must be here |
| 20:46.14 | dBsooner | cuz I just got 3 twitter followers |
| 20:46.20 | Rick_work | well, for some value of "here." |
| 20:46.23 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 20:47.10 | dBsooner | Rick_work: at least yours didnt' start as an ice storm |
| 20:47.19 | dBsooner | we had an inch of ice first |
| 20:47.22 | dBsooner | now 8 inches of snow |
| 20:47.30 | dBsooner | and no signs of stopping |
| 20:47.39 | rwhitby | Rick_work: two flights and 11 hours away from home. |
| 20:47.56 | rwhitby | (awful connections on this trip's return leg) |
| 20:48.05 | Rick_work | rwhitby that seems unfair. 1200 miles, 2 hours by commercial jet. -- :( |
| 20:48.36 | rwhitby | Cairns to Adelaide is a bit more than 2 hours even as the crow flies. |
| 20:49.33 | Rick_work | dBsooner at least Ok was smart enough to enter the union on April 22. Jan 29 is NEVER a good day for a celebration unless it's VERY indoors. :) |
| 20:49.39 | Rick_work | rwhitby ok, ok, 3 hours. |
| 20:49.52 | Rick_work | but 11 seems unfair -- really BAD connections. |
| 20:50.18 | Rick_work | egaudet did you see my question? |
| 20:50.37 | destinal-pre | its a nice day in co |
| 20:50.43 | dBsooner | commercial jets go around 400-500 mph |
| 20:50.58 | dBsooner | im still working though |
| 20:51.02 | dBsooner | driving down the road at 20 mph |
| 20:51.04 | Rick_work | if I put 1.png in the right path, that's absolutely all I have to do, the c service magically replaces it with the one in the path, and no css editing. |
| 20:51.08 | dBsooner | in a 50mph zone |
| 20:51.16 | iSmite | did someone tell me where the ssh path was |
| 20:51.46 | Rick_work | did we lose eric? |
| 20:55.37 | Rick_work | egaudet egaudet_work ping ???? |
| 20:55.56 | Rick_work | ok, destinal-work can YOU answer that question???/ |
| 20:56.14 | destinal-work | Rick_work: let me read it |
| 20:57.17 | destinal-work | I think the idea was patching css files ONCE for all themes and then moving a symlink to point the dir the css points at to the right place |
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| 20:58.00 | Rick_work | destinal-work so every time the global.css changes, we have to re-do the master |
| 20:58.36 | Rick_work | destinal-work and this allows only themeing things that are in global.css -- no mechanism for theming applications |
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| 20:59.15 | destinal-work | as far as I know, yes, but I haven't been involved in the entire process, just talked about parts |
| 20:59.24 | Rick_work | ((I'm not complaining, I'm asking)) |
| 20:59.28 | destinal-work | moving around actual images is messy |
| 20:59.33 | destinal-work | we were trying to avoid that |
| 20:59.37 | Rick_work | understood. |
| 20:59.46 | Rick_work | I'm not complaining, I'm getting my head around this. |
| 21:00.11 | Rick_work | So, this is a mechanism for theming anything that is pointed to in Global.css. or whatever list of CSS files we choose to support. |
| 21:00.44 | Rick_work | and we will ONCE edit those, and change paths to /media/internal/.themes/activetheme which will be a symlink to SOME theme. |
| 21:00.51 | destinal-work | right |
| 21:01.06 | Rick_work | and if the files aren't there, if the theme fails to incclude some file, it will auto-fall-back to the original file..... |
| 21:01.24 | destinal-work | I think that's what they were talking about making the service handle |
| 21:02.02 | Rick_work | so, the service goes through and scans for images with the "right" names, in the "right" places and modifies the global.css to point to them. |
| 21:02.56 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: I was under the impression the service just switches the symlink |
| 21:02.58 | destinal-work | I'm not sure on that at the moment. I think the idea was to handle it by symlink instead, again, we only want to patch once |
| 21:03.14 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: and there is a 1 time global css patch |
| 21:03.36 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin ok, I'm confused again. |
| 21:03.50 | destinal-work | it could be possible a service could fix a theme with missing images by symlinking its files as well as the symlink to the active dir |
| 21:04.03 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin I have included in my theme new images for 0.png through 9.png -- but not dialbutton.png |
| 21:04.19 | Rick_work | how do you write a css file that "falls through" to the other file? |
| 21:04.45 | destinal-work | you don't |
| 21:04.55 | Rick_work | ok let me try again. |
| 21:04.55 | destinal-work | you just symlink any missing files to defaults |
| 21:05.00 | Rick_work | ouch |
| 21:05.08 | Rick_work | ok.... |
| 21:05.12 | Rick_work | let me try again.... |
| 21:05.14 | destinal-work | is that bad? |
| 21:05.18 | Rick_work | no no it's fine. |
| 21:05.32 | Rick_work | it's just that i'm trying to write a description of what you want to do.... |
| 21:05.51 | Rick_work | ok.... |
| 21:06.24 | destinal-work | so I'm not sure if it's 100% nailed down whether there will be one directory full of symlinks or a directory that symlinks to the theme, the latter has issues with fall back if missing |
| 21:06.45 | destinal-work | which could be handled once on theme installation |
| 21:06.49 | Rick_work | 1) We take global.css -- and anything else we want to be able to theme, and edit them one time so that every file name points to /media/internal/.themes/activetheme |
| 21:07.09 | zsocwerkin | ye |
| 21:07.26 | Rick_work | 2) we take our IPK and extract it into /media/internal/.themes/mytheme |
| 21:07.40 | Rick_work | 3) we run the "Theme Management Tool" |
| 21:07.50 | destinal-work | I think /media/internal doesn't work for fall back if missing |
| 21:07.55 | Rick_work | 4) the theme management tool presents us with a list of themes installed int he .theme folder. |
| 21:08.17 | destinal-work | since it's vfat and we can't symlink FROM it |
| 21:08.22 | zsocwerkin | destinal-work: no no, not if missing, if EXISTS |
| 21:08.23 | Rick_work | fine destinal-work -- change that line to whatever folderyou like /activetheme whatever. |
| 21:08.41 | zsocwerkin | .. /var/activetheme |
| 21:09.11 | Rick_work | fine |
| 21:09.28 | Rick_work | 5) theme management tool lets you select which theme you want as active. |
| 21:10.13 | Rick_work | 6) that calls the c-service which then goes to mytheme and iterates through allthe image files in all the folders there. |
| 21:10.42 | Rick_work | 7) the c-service figures out which files are "missing" from the master list of files which are in the mytheme directory, and symlinks THOSE files back to the originals. |
| 21:10.50 | zsocwerkin | nono, I'm pretty sure all the service does is symlinks the folder to /var/active_theme |
| 21:10.56 | Rick_work | 8) the c-service then symlinks mytheme to /var/activetheme.... |
| 21:11.25 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin how does the css fall back to the missing files originals then???? |
| 21:11.37 | zsocwerkin | I think the service is being given too much credit. the if_missings should happen in the css patch |
| 21:12.08 | zsocwerkin | or rather, if exists |
| 21:12.42 | zsocwerkin | ie, leave the css class ultimately the same, but use an if_exists for the active_theme folder, else continue |
| 21:12.50 | Rick_work | how do you write an if in css????? |
| 21:12.58 | zsocwerkin | er, in javascript |
| 21:13.23 | zsocwerkin | (eric is supposed to chime in before I eat my feet) |
| 21:13.29 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin I thought we were avoiding re-writing the css file every time... ?? |
| 21:13.53 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin you're saying that we go through and re-write the munged css file so that it points to this one OR that one.. depending on if missing.... |
| 21:14.45 | Rick_work | as part of the install process of the theme management app |
| 21:15.08 | Rick_work | (which requires writing a file, which means we have to run a binary to do that, since mojo javascript can't write files.) |
| 21:15.47 | zsocwerkin | you're right |
| 21:16.46 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: ok, each theme MUST have a global.css |
| 21:16.51 | Rick_work | so, honestly, it makes sense to just re-write the munged global.css in the binary app in the first place.... |
| 21:17.07 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: which only has methods that are applicable to that theme |
| 21:17.13 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin ok.... |
| 21:17.45 | Rick_work | So, |
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| 21:18.31 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: nope nevermind, I'm wrong again |
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| 21:18.46 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin we have to pick something. |
| 21:18.49 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: the service has to do some magic. like you were saying |
| 21:19.02 | zsocwerkin | egaudet_work: stop being at work |
| 21:19.43 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: whats new re: sdl_gl |
| 21:19.58 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin -- go look at the wiki -- theme management api |
| 21:20.01 | Rick_work | please???? |
| 21:20.07 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: xcomp has it working |
| 21:20.15 | PuffTheMagic | nice |
| 21:20.19 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: I did, that's written as a spec for themers |
| 21:20.20 | PuffTheMagic | i am so pumped |
| 21:20.37 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin ok, then look at the section that says OVERWRITE CSS CLASSES |
| 21:20.47 | Rick_work | The next part of themeing will be overwriting CSS classes (of any app's stylesheet as well as Palm stock global stylesheets). This will require a small patch to the framework to load a theme's CSS on top of any css being loaded. |
| 21:21.06 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: right. a 1 time patch |
| 21:21.14 | iSmite | urgh pre dont read rtf files |
| 21:21.25 | Rick_work | iSmite correct -- which sucks |
| 21:21.47 | iSmite | thats ok i changed my porny story into pdf.... |
| 21:21.48 | iSmite | ;D |
| 21:21.50 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin I'm going to try editing this on the wiki now..... |
| 21:22.16 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: i cant beleive you have already stuff working re: themes cause typically when i spurt out an idea around here its met with mass objection and in the time we would normally be arguing u already have stuff working |
| 21:23.05 | iSmite | can i ask my question for the 10th time lol ill go away then i just want the ssh path to notification and alert sounds :P |
| 21:23.12 | PuffTheMagic | just ask |
| 21:23.21 | Rick_work | ahhh |
| 21:23.28 | Rick_work | you want the path to the sounds.... |
| 21:24.25 | iSmite | i did ask lol 10 times |
| 21:24.47 | iSmite | mine got overwritten |
| 21:24.49 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: I gave you the command to find it |
| 21:24.51 | iSmite | when i installed a patch |
| 21:24.55 | iSmite | sorry i didnt see |
| 21:25.13 | Rick_work | usr/palm/sounds/ |
| 21:25.16 | iSmite | thanks |
| 21:25.18 | Rick_work | it's usr/palm/sounds/ |
| 21:25.32 | zsocwerkin | oh, /usr, hmm ok hehe |
| 21:25.52 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: what was your conceptual idea as far as core patching? |
| 21:26.12 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: regarding themes? |
| 21:26.21 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: not the app or the theme directy symlinks, just the 'if exists else use original' part |
| 21:26.55 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: i was actually thinking of just modifying the palm css |
| 21:27.06 | PuffTheMagic | and adding a root stylesheet to everything |
| 21:27.15 | PuffTheMagic | with a path to some directory |
| 21:27.21 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: rick challenged that with 'how do you do ifs in css' |
| 21:27.23 | PuffTheMagic | which is really a symlinnk to a theme directory |
| 21:27.33 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: u dont need to do ifs in css |
| 21:27.44 | PuffTheMagic | the css always points to the same foldter |
| 21:27.46 | PuffTheMagic | folder |
| 21:27.49 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: what if that directory doesn't contain every image |
| 21:28.02 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: then the default its used |
| 21:28.07 | zsocwerkin | how? |
| 21:28.09 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic how????? |
| 21:28.15 | zsocwerkin | what decides that |
| 21:28.45 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 21:28.46 | iSmite | i have a problem, my sounds are still in there and they are correct but when i installed that patch to change them, they have stayed changed even though i uninstalled the patch |
| 21:28.46 | zsocwerkin | global symlinks to active theme directory? |
| 21:28.54 | zsocwerkin | LOL at 'idk' hehe |
| 21:28.59 | iSmite | so i still have custom notification sound |
| 21:29.14 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: i havent thought about every aspect yet |
| 21:29.28 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: it's because your 'new' sounds are changed to the regular name, ie Notification.wav |
| 21:29.33 | PuffTheMagic | i just threw out some ideas of how it might work |
| 21:29.45 | iSmite | no they arent i sshed them out they are the originals |
| 21:29.46 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic that's what we're beating out now. |
| 21:29.49 | PuffTheMagic | never expected it was going to be implemented is less than 24hrs |
| 21:29.53 | Rick_work | How to install "partical" themes. |
| 21:29.57 | Rick_work | partial |
| 21:30.14 | Rick_work | iSmite -- then you have a patched file pointing to some OTHER sounds.... |
| 21:30.19 | iSmite | oh crap |
| 21:30.24 | iSmite | even though i removed the paych |
| 21:30.26 | iSmite | t |
| 21:30.27 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: so maybe its gonna need a little js ;) |
| 21:30.37 | iSmite | i also removed the 'other' sounds |
| 21:30.42 | Rick_work | the patch didn't unremove iSmite |
| 21:30.56 | iSmite | everything is back to original not even any custom sounds anywhere in the pre |
| 21:30.56 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: something needs to decide what to do if the file isn't available in the directory |
| 21:31.04 | PuffTheMagic | we could use aufs :D |
| 21:31.20 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin I'm working on it. Give me 10 minutes and I'll have a write up. |
| 21:31.26 | Rick_work | and we can bash on it again. |
| 21:31.30 | PuffTheMagic | mount the theme over the default path as a transparent overlay |
| 21:31.33 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 21:31.37 | zsocwerkin | ... no |
| 21:31.40 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 21:31.42 | PuffTheMagic | hell yea |
| 21:31.51 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic it would have to overlay ROOT.... |
| 21:31.52 | PuffTheMagic | we can install a kernel module |
| 21:31.52 | iSmite | nope its still there, damn |
| 21:32.00 | zsocwerkin | ... no |
| 21:32.11 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: come on it would be so sweet |
| 21:32.27 | zsocwerkin | this is supposed to be less intrusive |
| 21:32.30 | Rick_work | iSmite -- which sounds were you patching? and to what files? |
| 21:32.44 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: there is completly uninstrusive |
| 21:32.51 | iSmite | i used the notification patch so i could choose what to have as the notification sound |
| 21:32.54 | PuffTheMagic | s/there/it/ |
| 21:33.03 | iSmite | now i have removed custom sounds and the patch |
| 21:33.05 | zsocwerkin | crashing kernel modules = doctor your phone |
| 21:33.10 | iSmite | its still playing the custom sound lol |
| 21:33.13 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: no! |
| 21:33.33 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: kernel modules hardly crash the whole kernel |
| 21:33.38 | PuffTheMagic | very very rarely |
| 21:34.37 | Rick_work | iSmite reboot |
| 21:34.44 | iSmite | i did |
| 21:34.52 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: reinstall the patch that did it, and uninstall it again |
| 21:34.59 | iSmite | i did |
| 21:35.01 | iSmite | lol |
| 21:35.04 | iSmite | this is weird |
| 21:35.04 | Rick_work | what type of file is it mp3 or wave? |
| 21:35.19 | iSmite | ohh hang on somethings happened now i have no sounds |
| 21:35.23 | iSmite | ill reboot again |
| 21:35.26 | Rick_work | GOOD... |
| 21:35.32 | Rick_work | then you get to put the default ones back |
| 21:35.38 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: im dead serious though, aufs would make this super clean and easy |
| 21:35.55 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic that may actually work. |
| 21:36.21 | iSmite | is 'luna restart' the equivalent of a respring on the iphone? |
| 21:36.44 | Rick_work | we would need to overlay /usr/palm/applications and /media/internal/cryptofs/usr/palm/applications |
| 21:36.46 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: and palm could implement that too, considering they used cryptofs they might like this idea |
| 21:36.51 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: restarts gui, yeah |
| 21:36.56 | iSmite | ah ok thanks |
| 21:37.17 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: yes YES! ok I'm on board again lol |
| 21:37.26 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin that's actually clever. |
| 21:37.27 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: haha |
| 21:37.48 | Rick_work | how hard is it to mount an overlay that way? Do we have to install anything special to the phone, is aufs already there? |
| 21:38.07 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: i dont believe aufs is on the phone |
| 21:38.13 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: buts its easy to build modules for it |
| 21:38.33 | Rick_work | how hard is it to install and set up? |
| 21:38.37 | PuffTheMagic | and it would be easy to make WIDK build modules |
| 21:38.58 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: it's a project to develop, user implementation is easy but requires a full restart |
| 21:39.06 | Rick_work | so we could make the installation and set up of it part of the Theme manager app. |
| 21:39.09 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: not terribly hard, definately something that could be thrown in to event.d file or managed byt the service |
| 21:39.26 | Rick_work | so it could happen as part of the postinst when you install theme manager.... |
| 21:39.27 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: prolly the service |
| 21:39.40 | zsocwerkin | should be a dep anyway |
| 21:39.44 | Rick_work | kk |
| 21:40.04 | PuffTheMagic | yeah aufs kernel module would be its own package |
| 21:40.08 | Rick_work | so it could happen as part of the postinst when you install theme manager.... |
| 21:40.31 | Rick_work | ok. |
| 21:40.39 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: yeah but if are gonna have a service it make more sense to let the service maintain it |
| 21:41.00 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic but when we install theme manager, it could put all the bits in place. |
| 21:41.07 | Rick_work | the service would RUN it . |
| 21:41.13 | Rick_work | but all the bits would be there.... |
| 21:41.21 | Rick_work | as a dependency of theme manager. |
| 21:41.57 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: well the ipkg for the service woudl also dependon the ipk for aufs, and yeah the service would then be able to use aufs |
| 21:42.04 | Rick_work | in this context, then, if you want to just change an image, all you have to do is toss it in the right place with the right file name. |
| 21:42.16 | PuffTheMagic | right |
| 21:42.31 | Rick_work | ok |
| 21:42.37 | Rick_work | that's fine for images. |
| 21:42.42 | Rick_work | Now let's talk about css files. |
| 21:42.48 | PuffTheMagic | it works for the css too |
| 21:42.56 | PuffTheMagic | ohhh shit |
| 21:42.58 | Rick_work | ahhhh wait for a minute puff.. |
| 21:43.00 | Rick_work | right |
| 21:43.02 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 21:43.03 | Rick_work | light dawns. |
| 21:43.22 | Rick_work | they have to include a PATCHED GLOBAL.CSS if we did this. |
| 21:43.23 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: sed magic? |
| 21:43.23 | Rick_work | right? |
| 21:43.28 | Rick_work | nope |
| 21:43.29 | iSmite | ok i rebooted and i still have no sound! |
| 21:43.34 | iSmite | the sounds are there in sounds |
| 21:43.45 | Rick_work | iSmite so it's not looking there.... |
| 21:43.50 | Rick_work | you still have patched code. |
| 21:44.07 | Rick_work | puff -- we ONE TIME modify framework |
| 21:44.16 | Rick_work | so that in addition to calling global.css it calls theme.css |
| 21:44.22 | Rick_work | and theme.css is SPARSE |
| 21:44.31 | Rick_work | and contains ONLY the css you want to override. |
| 21:44.32 | iSmite | why dont patches uninstall properly? whats the point in having an uninstall option if it doesnt completely uninstall |
| 21:44.41 | zsocwerkin | now I see why we haven't done this before |
| 21:44.42 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: right |
| 21:44.43 | Rick_work | iSmite we're working on that. |
| 21:44.43 | PuffTheMagic | ok |
| 21:44.54 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: I believe you uninstalled it improperly? :) |
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| 21:44.55 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: that is sorta what i thought was possible |
| 21:45.06 | iSmite | how? i clicked uninstall in preware |
| 21:45.07 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin that's why I've been saying for a gazillion days that themes suck. |
| 21:45.09 | iSmite | lol |
| 21:45.12 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: well if we go back to that then we dont need aufs |
| 21:45.13 | iSmite | what else am i meant to do |
| 21:45.16 | Rick_work | they're horrifically complex. |
| 21:45.18 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: did you both install and uninstall through preware? |
| 21:45.19 | PuffTheMagic | and symlinks manager would work again |
| 21:45.21 | iSmite | yes |
| 21:45.48 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: that is uncommon |
| 21:45.54 | Rick_work | puff yeah, but the problem with THAT is, that building a theme that JUST does images now requires editing the image paths in the sparse css. |
| 21:46.16 | zsocwerkin | iSmite: oh, you may have to reinstall the patch, and reselect the original sound bytes, then uninstall |
| 21:46.20 | Rick_work | we've increased the requirements to do a theme to about 6x the complexity |
| 21:46.24 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: yeah but that is way easier than aufs |
| 21:46.31 | Rick_work | kk |
| 21:46.33 | iSmite | you cant select the original ones though |
| 21:46.33 | PuffTheMagic | its not that complex |
| 21:46.38 | Rick_work | then that's how I'll write it up. |
| 21:46.46 | Rick_work | gimme a minute or two. |
| 21:48.07 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: wait, how is the distinction made to pick out image files? |
| 21:48.18 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin I got that part |
| 21:48.20 | Rick_work | I'm typing |
| 21:48.34 | Rick_work | iSmite http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changes_Alert/Notification_Sounds |
| 21:48.42 | zsocwerkin | kk |
| 21:48.59 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: i am not the css expert |
| 21:49.01 | Rick_work | just change the paths BACK to /usr/palm/sounds instead of /media/internal |
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| 21:49.19 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin it's going to be a SPARSE css file |
| 21:49.24 | PuffTheMagic | u should replace me with oil in this convo |
| 21:49.30 | Rick_work | which ONLY includes the classes you want to overwrite. |
| 21:49.44 | zsocwerkin | sparse... err... sql database? |
| 21:49.45 | Rick_work | then, there's just ONE symlink. |
| 21:50.17 | zsocwerkin | *CSS_Guy = oil |
| 21:50.39 | iSmite | rick_work can i jchange the extension to wav though |
| 21:50.41 | Rick_work | zsoc -- if all I'm overwriting is the 1.png image my theme.css will contain just one class -- dialer1 which will point to /var/activetheme/yadayada/1.png instead of /usr/palm/yadayada/1.png |
| 21:50.48 | iSmite | im trying to use the originals not put more mp3s in |
| 21:50.51 | Rick_work | iSmite change whatever you like |
| 21:50.52 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: so like a css overlay? didn't know those existed... so basically an if_exists |
| 21:51.03 | Rick_work | that page tells you how to do it |
| 21:51.08 | zsocwerkin | got it |
| 21:51.17 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin CASCADING STYLE SHEETS |
| 21:51.26 | Rick_work | this is the "overriding" style sheet. |
| 21:51.29 | Lumiere | last css to be opened |
| 21:51.33 | Rick_work | it overrides the default one. |
| 21:51.34 | Lumiere | overrides the first |
| 21:51.40 | Rick_work | if you have to you use an !IMPORTANT |
| 21:51.47 | Rick_work | Lumiere nodnodnod |
| 21:52.28 | zsocwerkin | I'd need to see an example. |
| 21:52.35 | zsocwerkin | if it works in that manner itsperfect |
| 21:53.27 | Rick_work | it does. |
| 21:53.46 | Rick_work | that's why you can change truncating-text in your app and have it override the default truncating-text from global |
| 21:54.01 | Lumiere | zsocwerkin: the whole point of CSS |
| 21:54.09 | Lumiere | is you define "table" with a border of 0 |
| 21:54.10 | iSmite | so im gonna have to keep that stupid patch grr i just wanted to default |
| 21:54.24 | Lumiere | then you define table tr td with a border of 1 |
| 21:54.53 | Lumiere | if something doesn't override |
| 21:54.59 | Lumiere | you throw "!important" |
| 21:55.06 | Lumiere | and it raises the value of it |
| 21:56.51 | Rick_work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Theme_Management_API |
| 21:57.00 | Rick_work | still working, but I'm getting there. |
| 21:57.16 | zsocwerkin | Lumiere: never knew, that's cools |
| 21:57.38 | Lumiere | zsocwerkin: css is one of the prettiest designs I have seen |
| 21:57.45 | Lumiere | it is absurdly simple |
| 21:57.49 | Lumiere | and incredibly powerful |
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| 21:58.25 | zsocwerkin | Lumiere: I know. just never used that functionality |
| 22:00.48 | Rick_work | ok, zsocwerkin PuffTheMagic Lumiere refresh http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Theme_Management_API and read what I got so far. |
| 22:02.13 | Lumiere | Rick_work: may I suggest that you find a way to automate this? |
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| 22:02.27 | A2NY | hi, I need some help |
| 22:02.37 | A2NY | my phone decided to be a fish |
| 22:02.54 | A2NY | white w/ red battery icon and won't go past that |
| 22:02.55 | Lumiere | A2NY: remove the battery and let it dry for a week |
| 22:03.00 | Rick_work | Lumiere yes, but we have to have a SPEC before we write code. |
| 22:03.16 | Rick_work | A2NY it got wet? |
| 22:03.19 | Lumiere | Rick_work: that does look good |
| 22:03.29 | A2NY | can I start up the phone with the battery removed ? |
| 22:03.46 | A2NY | I know there is code some where to specify dummy battery |
| 22:03.47 | Rick_work | A2NY Pull the battery -- and put it in a bag of rice for 48 to 72 hours. |
| 22:03.54 | Rick_work | you have to dry out the guts. |
| 22:04.01 | Lumiere | maybe instead of the themeXXXXX do globals/XXXXX.css |
| 22:04.35 | Rick_work | if it was me, I would pull the battery and flush the phone with distilled water, then fling it as dry as you can and put it in a bag of rice for 48 to 72 hours. |
| 22:05.01 | Rick_work | A2NY if you can't wait that long, and you have insurance on the phone, and are willing to pay the 100 dollar deductable, go to sprint store. |
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| 22:05.34 | A2NY | will sprint swap it, this phone is already from asurion |
| 22:06.12 | Lumiere | Rick_work: then there is less parsing to do |
| 22:06.19 | Lumiere | just check the globals folder |
| 22:06.43 | Rick_work | Lumiere ok, that makes sense. |
| 22:07.01 | Rick_work | Lumiere gimme about 5 minutes more and I'll let you edit htis thing ok? |
| 22:07.10 | Lumiere | notes this screams for something like dBsooner's patch system |
| 22:07.17 | zsocwerkin | Lumiere: I like you |
| 22:07.32 | Lumiere | zsocwerkin: lazy is good? |
| 22:07.43 | Rick_work | Lumiere agreed, we need to write an "auto-theme-builder" but we have to have a SPEC first. |
| 22:08.03 | Lumiere | I love that SPEC has to be in caps ;) |
| 22:08.32 | Lumiere | notes that doing requirements documents is his day job |
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| 22:11.02 | Rick_work | Lumiere I have random capticalization disease |
| 22:11.08 | Rick_work | I've fought it my whole life. |
| 22:11.14 | Lumiere | totally understand ;) |
| 22:11.49 | Rick_work | Lumiere refresh please, and edit to your heart's content. |
| 22:12.17 | Rick_work | if we all get agreed on this part, then we can spec the theme-manager app, and the theme-builder app. |
| 22:13.15 | Rick_work | but we have to have an API first..... |
| 22:13.30 | Lumiere | I'll do it from home |
| 22:13.38 | Rick_work | Lumiere ok |
| 22:13.46 | Rick_work | I'll tweak for a bit, but I think we're close. |
| 22:13.59 | Lumiere | k |
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| 22:21.08 | Rick_work | zsocwerkin would you go look at it now please? |
| 22:22.04 | FreeTim | So when I do phone updates it says Apps need to be updated, then it takes me to the Palm Catalog, lists all my apps (with nothing special about updating any of them) |
| 22:22.05 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: you have a 'now' disease too :p |
| 22:22.17 | zsocwerkin | FreeTim: that's expected behavior |
| 22:22.58 | Rick_work | FreeTim now press the UPDATED APPS choice in the app catalog |
| 22:23.49 | FreeTim | looking... I don't see that |
| 22:25.11 | Rick_work | FreeTim press the shopping bag in the lower right. any with updates will show you that on the screen |
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| 22:25.30 | Rick_work | and there will be an "INSTALL UPDATES" button in the lower right corner |
| 22:27.04 | FreeTim | I see the bag, I press that it lists my apps, but no options to update all, nor any individually. It's like, the Catalog doesn't think any need to be updated, but the Updates icon in the Launcher does think there are some needing updating. |
| 22:27.12 | FreeTim | I might send the two of them outside, if they are gonna fight. |
| 22:28.01 | Rick_work | FreeTim are these possibly apps which at one time where homebrew and have graduated to the app cat? |
| 22:28.17 | Rick_work | if so, then yu can get this kind of conflict. |
| 22:28.44 | FreeTim | I can only guess Yes, I am an early adopter and I an admitted apps hound |
| 22:28.50 | Rick_work | there you go. |
| 22:28.57 | destinal-work | Rick_work: seems a little redundant to have theme before everything. Imagine if we had appname apptype etc in appinfo.json |
| 22:29.29 | Rick_work | destinal-work ok. I like self-documenting files. |
| 22:29.29 | destinal-work | the file's already about themes |
| 22:29.40 | FreeTim | will the conflict prevent all future updates? I can try rebooting |
| 22:29.43 | Rick_work | destinal-work and doubtless I would have done precisely that. |
| 22:29.56 | Rick_work | FreeTim it's not preventing ANY updates. |
| 22:30.06 | Rick_work | there aren't any except the conflicted ones. |
| 22:30.08 | FreeTim | Oh OK then! :) |
| 22:30.10 | Rick_work | or it would have done them. |
| 22:30.26 | Rick_work | destinal-work feel free to edit it. :-) |
| 22:30.37 | Rick_work | any other comments? destinal-work |
| 22:30.41 | FreeTim | Thanks zsoc and Rick for your answers, very reassuring |
| 22:31.24 | Rick_work | or zsocwerkin who hasn't commented on it at all yet, muchless NOW -- :) there, both diseases at once, and just for the heck of it, I'll insert some,random comma,splicing as well... and gratuitous elipsise. |
| 22:31.32 | FreeTim | If that's on the wiki and I just missed it, shame on me. If not, I'll create a wiki page for those with similar question |
| 22:31.51 | Rick_work | FreeTim put it in the preware page, don't make a whole new one |
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| 22:32.33 | destinal-work | Rick_work: it's readable and I get the intent which is a good start -- I'll jump in and see if I can help improve when I get home |
| 22:32.43 | Rick_work | kk |
| 22:32.58 | Rick_work | I think we need a tight spec here before we start flinging code at it. |
| 22:33.07 | Rick_work | really REALLY think that. |
| 22:33.19 | Rick_work | and would be SUPER DUPER happy to get theme feeds the heck out of preware..... |
| 22:34.08 | destinal-work | Rick_work: I always figured they still made sense as feed based ipk's that only touched their unique id's dir |
| 22:34.16 | destinal-work | but NOT patches like now |
| 22:34.27 | zsocwerkin | Rick_work: looks good |
| 22:34.37 | Rick_work | I'm adding that part into the theme management app right now. |
| 22:34.56 | destinal-work | Rick_work: we already have preware, I don't think we want yet another distribution mechanism |
| 22:35.35 | zsocwerkin | now with InstaTheme© technology |
| 22:35.45 | Rick_work | ok, but it just makes so much SENSE since we have to have a theme-management app anyway, to have it have a "get more themes" button and read the themes feeds. |
| 22:35.47 | Robi_ | Rick_work: heh I already disable them, big nod |
| 22:35.50 | VincentLaw | the best theme is no theme >.> |
| 22:36.44 | destinal-work | Rick_work: ok, I guess it could consume ipkgservice (and/or a native service when it comes along) |
| 22:36.58 | destinal-work | but there's a lot of duplication |
| 22:37.18 | destinal-work | I think I prefer to download them with preware and then LAUNCH is assocuated |
| 22:37.23 | destinal-work | associated with the theme app |
| 22:37.56 | Abyssul | Is it possible to implement a download count for patches? |
| 22:38.02 | destinal-work | Get more themes could actually be a link back into preware |
| 22:38.22 | destinal-work | into the themes category |
| 22:38.32 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: theme feeds would still be in preware |
| 22:39.08 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul: i have something in mind to track ipkg usage |
| 22:39.58 | Rick_work | The Theme Management App also displays a command button which says something like: Get more themes. which accesses the compatible themes feeds. Any theme-manager compatible feeds are displayed using code which we steal from Preware. |
| 22:39.58 | Rick_work | The theme manager app can call the preware file service to get the theme feeds information. |
| 22:39.58 | Rick_work | It does NOT download the feeds by default, only on request by pressing "get more themes." |
| 22:39.59 | Rick_work | When a theme downloads, it extracts into /media/internal/.themes if the theme manager app attempts to open themedata.json and there isn't one, or it is corrupt, it informs the user that "this is not a theme manager compatible theme, sorry." and calls the service to delete the folder created by the IPK. |
| 22:40.22 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic I am suggesting something else..... |
| 22:41.20 | Rick_work | since compatible themes REQUIRE a themeinfo.json unless we want to bundle that into preware _too_ but we HAVE to have a theme-manager app, so finding themes using the theme-manager app just makes so much sense. |
| 22:41.29 | zsocwerkin | anyway play BIA or AC? |
| 22:41.49 | zsocwerkin | s/anyway/anyone/ |
| 22:41.52 | destinal-work | Rick_work: why not just use the ipkg info? |
| 22:42.06 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: i think the theme app just changes them, installation of new themes should stay in preware with the added capability of using usb mode to copy them to a special dir |
| 22:42.31 | destinal-work | Rick_work: thumbnails and descriptions are already specified there |
| 22:42.35 | zsocwerkin | we could autocreate themedata.json s... |
| 22:42.40 | destinal-work | as is version |
| 22:42.46 | Rick_work | destinal-work because the theme manager allows you to have a bunch of themes ALREADY INSTALLED on the phone |
| 22:42.46 | destinal-work | author, url ,etc |
| 22:42.56 | Rick_work | and swap them quick -- work, home, clubbing etc. |
| 22:42.59 | destinal-work | sure, you install them ALL |
| 22:43.10 | Rick_work | you install the ones you WANT. |
| 22:43.16 | destinal-work | when you install one app on the pre, it doesn't uninstall another app |
| 22:43.20 | destinal-work | it's not a one app device |
| 22:43.23 | Rick_work | I can see someone having 3 to 5 themes.... |
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| 22:43.46 | Rick_work | why have to go back to ipkg to get the silly thing when we already have an extracted folder? |
| 22:43.53 | Rick_work | thus themeinfo.json |
| 22:43.59 | destinal-work | ugly duplication |
| 22:44.06 | destinal-work | we already have ipkg and feeds |
| 22:44.14 | destinal-work | we need to distribute these things |
| 22:44.19 | Rick_work | arrrgghhhhh..... |
| 22:44.56 | destinal-work | you can use preware and install all 5 |
| 22:44.58 | destinal-work | then you can launch one and it goes to theme ap |
| 22:44.59 | destinal-work | app |
| 22:45.01 | destinal-work | to install |
| 22:45.09 | destinal-work | or you can browse around theme app and select noe |
| 22:45.11 | destinal-work | one |
| 22:45.15 | Rick_work | so, to get the themes listed for the theme manager, I go to ipkg, and ask it for a list of installed packages, and get the installed themes, and parse those themes descriptions out of the feed. |
| 22:45.25 | destinal-work | not at all |
| 22:45.29 | Rick_work | ok, |
| 22:45.34 | destinal-work | you look at directory names |
| 22:45.36 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: did u ever use compiz |
| 22:45.48 | PuffTheMagic | the theme manager for that used svn |
| 22:45.51 | destinal-work | then you pull the ipkg INFO for each directory name |
| 22:45.56 | PuffTheMagic | to keep its self up to date with all the new themes |
| 22:46.03 | Rick_work | I'm in the church basement. No signal. I want to change themes, and I want to see the description and the thumbnails please tell me how it does it? |
| 22:46.07 | PuffTheMagic | we could put themes in a git repo |
| 22:46.11 | PuffTheMagic | and at the press of a button |
| 22:46.12 | PuffTheMagic | sync it |
| 22:46.14 | destinal-work | Rick_work: oh |
| 22:46.15 | PuffTheMagic | to get new themes |
| 22:46.24 | PuffTheMagic | and then forget feeds |
| 22:46.24 | destinal-work | Rick_work: you want to cache thumbnails? |
| 22:46.27 | destinal-work | hmm |
| 22:47.04 | Rick_work | destinal-work I want the thumbnails and the description to be in files in the IPK so I can see theme descriptions that I have loaded EVEN WHEN NO NETWORK. |
| 22:47.15 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: so we could use git and usb to get installed themes :D |
| 22:47.24 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: I did compiz user support for like... a year. |
| 22:47.31 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: uh, please no git |
| 22:47.38 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: why not? |
| 22:47.41 | Rick_work | each theme is in a dir. each theme has themeinfo.json the themeinfo.json has a description field and pointers to 0 or more thumbs. |
| 22:47.42 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: or rsync |
| 22:47.44 | PuffTheMagic | or something |
| 22:47.53 | destinal-work | let's just try to use the existing infra |
| 22:47.59 | destinal-work | we have ipkg and feeds |
| 22:48.03 | destinal-work | they work |
| 22:48.16 | Rick_work | does this make sense now destinal-work |
| 22:48.17 | Rick_work | ? |
| 22:48.25 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: i can see it both ways |
| 22:48.32 | PuffTheMagic | i always have themes blocked in preware |
| 22:48.43 | PuffTheMagic | so i woudld just as much rather they eb gone |
| 22:48.49 | PuffTheMagic | but keeping them is fine |
| 22:49.02 | Rick_work | KK going home now... |
| 22:49.16 | Rick_work | you guys beat on each other for a while and someone update the wiki. |
| 22:49.22 | destinal-work | Rick_work: I think we can use themes in feeds of ipks, |
| 22:49.24 | PuffTheMagic | but a lot of theme managers on desktops and update them selves with "apporoved" themes |
| 22:49.38 | PuffTheMagic | and then also support 3rd party ones |
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| 22:49.42 | egaudet_work | back sorry. Rick_work re: css pointing to dialpad/1.png, you would make theme1/framework/global.css that changed that to point to /var/.themes/theme1/<wheateveryouwant> |
| 22:49.50 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: you can install via WOSQI or Preware or ipkg-install |
| 22:49.54 | destinal-work | it already all exists |
| 22:49.59 | Rick_work | egaudet_work I'm going away for a bit. |
| 22:50.02 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: true |
| 22:50.08 | Rick_work | Have fun. I think I have a decent start there. |
| 22:50.27 | Rick_work | egaudet_work I'm really sorry I completely undid what you had. But I needed a starting point. |
| 22:50.38 | Rick_work | and btw, I didn't deal with icons in this at all. :( |
| 22:50.45 | Rick_work | but that's pretty easy. |
| 22:50.46 | destinal-work | egaudet_work: you should edit the wiki |
| 22:51.00 | destinal-work | you and puff have the best idea already of what you're thinking of |
| 22:51.06 | egaudet_work | however I will look into being able to redirect ALL image loading from <path> to THEME_DIR/<path> because that would make it easier for designers |
| 22:51.06 | dcordes | tmzt, ping |
| 22:51.22 | destinal-work | just let's not use a new shiny technology for distribution if we can do the same without it |
| 22:51.26 | Rick_work | destinal-work also, themeinfo.json test allows us to throw away non-compliant themes. :) |
| 22:51.41 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: what if we used ipkgs but used a different offline root |
| 22:51.50 | Rick_work | YES!!! |
| 22:52.09 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic /media/internal/.themes |
| 22:52.17 | Rick_work | isn't that what we're talking about? |
| 22:52.19 | egaudet_work | also for applications, theya ll load things from <app_dir>/stylesheets/ and ALL stylesheets including these ones will also load from THEME_DIR/<app_dir>/stylesheets etc... |
| 22:52.26 | egaudet_work | so you can overwrite app specific css classes too |
| 22:52.27 | destinal-work | Okay, I'm just wary of duplication of effort between preware and this app. |
| 22:52.31 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: actually that could work |
| 22:52.41 | Rick_work | egaudet_work I thought that's what I wrote. |
| 22:52.42 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: then there is only 1 dir |
| 22:52.47 | egaudet_work | not just global.css but this patch will load a theme css on top of ANY css loaded at any point |
| 22:52.52 | PuffTheMagic | regardless whether its usb or preware |
| 22:53.03 | egaudet_work | all the css is loaded by the same framework loadStylesheet function |
| 22:53.13 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: but then ipkg db might get out of sync |
| 22:53.14 | tmzt | dcordes: hey, yep, been here since June |
| 22:53.39 | Rick_work | egaudet_work ok.... fix what I wrote... thanks. I'll be back later. -- probably in about 3 or 4 hours. |
| 22:54.08 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: this is pretty sweet how this is all coming to gether |
| 22:54.36 | dcordes | tmzt, ever ran it on your raphael? |
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| 22:54.49 | tmzt | nope, until Pixxi it couldn't anyway |
| 22:55.29 | dcordes | how's that? |
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| 22:55.46 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: maybe my mind is just starting to think a lot like yours now so no arguing, just doing :P |
| 22:55.55 | tmzt | Pre has a cortex cpu |
| 22:56.05 | egaudet_work | plus it was a really good idea by you |
| 22:56.29 | egaudet_work | OK there's just too much back log to continue reading anymore |
| 22:56.32 | dcordes | tmzt, it's OE based. doesn't that mean it's supposed to work on multiple archs? |
| 22:56.39 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: you know, yesterday..... |
| 22:57.02 | PuffTheMagic | when i was saying "they were doing it wrong" regarding the current themes |
| 22:57.10 | PuffTheMagic | and someone called me on how to do it right |
| 22:57.17 | PuffTheMagic | i hadndt thought about it previously |
| 22:57.25 | PuffTheMagic | i just spit that out on the spot |
| 22:57.26 | tmzt | dcordes: it's optimized for cortex, it won't run onj armv7novfp |
| 22:57.39 | tmzt | even Pixi version since it's for arm1176 |
| 22:58.15 | Mousey | sings |
| 22:58.18 | egaudet_work | this really is coming out to be a reallly good thing |
| 22:58.25 | Mousey | o/~ teenage mutant zombie turtles o/~ |
| 22:58.37 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: btw it won't be ipkg installable directly, it will require ipkg postinst |
| 22:58.50 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: why |
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| 22:58.59 | egaudet_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.15 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: because crpytofs is not accessible via USB mode |
| 22:59.31 | Mousey | takes notes |
| 22:59.35 | egaudet_work | and a lot of people might want to install a theme by drag and drop USB mode, even though I think ipk install is easier, I know Windows users |
| 22:59.45 | dcordes | tmzt, so it's time to spam oe.org bugtracker "palm package xyz do_configure/build fails" |
| 22:59.47 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: ok so |
| 22:59.51 | PuffTheMagic | how about this |
| 23:00.10 | egaudet_work | and then the service and patch stuff is always looking in /var/active_theme for stuff which is linked to whatever theme you set active at the time |
| 23:00.13 | PuffTheMagic | /media/internal/themes and /media/cryptofs/themes |
| 23:00.24 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: I wanted to do that but no sym link on vfat |
| 23:00.35 | egaudet_work | and I dont want double data for themes |
| 23:00.45 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: the symlink is on ext though |
| 23:00.55 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: or are u saying a symlink cant even point to something on vfat |
| 23:00.59 | egaudet_work | it can |
| 23:01.04 | PuffTheMagic | so then what is the issue? |
| 23:01.08 | egaudet_work | but I mean neither /media/internal or /media/cryptofs is ext |
| 23:01.18 | PuffTheMagic | right |
| 23:01.20 | egaudet_work | unless we could bind mount? |
| 23:01.30 | PuffTheMagic | yeah that would work too |
| 23:01.40 | egaudet_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.47 | PuffTheMagic | eehh |
| 23:01.51 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 23:01.53 | egaudet_work | then it would be ipk installable no postinst and USB mode dragable |
| 23:02.00 | PuffTheMagic | no no |
| 23:03.31 | PuffTheMagic | /var/.theme is the path the framework looks in, the service would bind mount something from /media/cryptofs/themes/<themename> or /media/internal/themes/<themename> |
| 23:03.50 | PuffTheMagic | and the gui would show the available themes from both dirs |
| 23:04.31 | egaudet_work | that leaves open too much for collisions |
| 23:04.38 | PuffTheMagic | how so? |
| 23:04.40 | dcordes | where is the webos metadata? can't find it in the wiki |
| 23:04.45 | egaudet_work | plus why mount /var/.theme instead of sym link? |
| 23:04.58 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: u were the one that mentioned bind mounting |
| 23:05.16 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: I was only talking about that for getting the same data visible via ipk extraction as well as USB mode |
| 23:05.22 | egaudet_work | since you can't see offline root from USB mode |
| 23:05.29 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: ohhhh |
| 23:05.30 | PuffTheMagic | hmm |
| 23:05.45 | PuffTheMagic | that would probably break usb mode |
| 23:05.59 | PuffTheMagic | but it dont need to be on all the time |
| 23:06.14 | egaudet_work | I -think- though sym linking the active theme to /var/.theme is better though than mounting |
| 23:06.33 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: yeah i didnt realize what u were using mount bind for |
| 23:07.21 | PuffTheMagic | so umm |
| 23:07.25 | PuffTheMagic | wait a sec |
| 23:07.55 | PuffTheMagic | why do we have to bother with cryptofs at all? |
| 23:08.15 | PuffTheMagic | i cant all be in /media/internal/themes |
| 23:08.17 | PuffTheMagic | cant it? |
| 23:11.42 | egaudet_work | yes |
| 23:11.48 | egaudet_work | that was my plan |
| 23:11.53 | PuffTheMagic | k |
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| 23:11.59 | egaudet_work | the ONLY downside is ipks have to have a postinst to install them |
| 23:12.07 | egaudet_work | I thought you were arguing that you didn't want that |
| 23:12.19 | PuffTheMagic | idk what im saying right now |
| 23:12.24 | PuffTheMagic | im out of it |
| 23:12.43 | egaudet_work | hehe, well I'm going to commute home now, i'll be back in an hour or so |
| 23:12.50 | PuffTheMagic | my brain is on overload with PhD and webOS work |
| 23:13.34 | egaudet_work | well take it easy :) bbl |
| 23:13.49 | PuffTheMagic | later |
| 23:15.22 | zsocwerkin | points to PuffTheMagic, "PREMED!" |
| 23:15.50 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: haha not premed |
| 23:15.55 | PuffTheMagic | i couldnt be a doctor |
| 23:16.00 | PuffTheMagic | i dont like memorizing |
| 23:16.05 | egaudet_work | OH i read that as themed with a pr |
| 23:16.07 | egaudet_work | PREEEEEMED |
| 23:16.11 | egaudet_work | preeemd |
| 23:16.11 | PuffTheMagic | i like knowing where to find info |
| 23:16.14 | zsocwerkin | lulz |
| 23:16.17 | egaudet_work | haha ok out |
| 23:17.10 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 23:17.30 | PuffTheMagic | Premed is great |
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| 23:21.28 | PuffTheMagic | PrÄme API |
| 23:22.06 | PuffTheMagic | PrÄSkin |
| 23:22.15 | PuffTheMagic | which is unrelated to ForeSkin |
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| 23:25.56 | Abyssul | ha |
| 23:27.05 | zsocwerkin | definitely high |
| 23:29.14 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: shhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 23:33.07 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: just as long as you aren't in those captain tight pants |
| 23:33.26 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: wow |
| 23:33.58 | PuffTheMagic | zsocwerkin: i was tyring to squeeze my fat ass back into some pants i havent worn in a while :D |
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| 23:34.09 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: then I approve |
| 23:34.31 | PuffTheMagic | didnt gain any weight durring undergrad and then gained a double freshman 15 in grad school |
| 23:34.36 | zsocwerkin | PuffTheMagic: how are we handling relative icon paths? is it not _replacing_ the icon? |
| 23:34.55 | zsocwerkin | because I thought icons locations were binary driven |
| 23:34.55 | PuffTheMagic | it could |
| 23:35.03 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 23:35.12 | PuffTheMagic | like i said i didnt think of every aspect |
| 23:35.14 | JayCanuck | k, so I'm late to the conversation |
| 23:35.18 | PuffTheMagic | and im not the framework person |
| 23:35.25 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: hey |
| 23:35.38 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: not that late |
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| 23:35.45 | PuffTheMagic | still in the design phase right now |
| 23:35.57 | zsocwerkin | JayCanuck: wait for egaudet to get home.. he thinls he has it figured out :p |
| 23:36.32 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: any thoughts, comments, questions? |
| 23:37.06 | JayCanuck | lots, lol |
| 23:37.25 | JayCanuck | last I heard Egaudet was developing some auto update theme format |
| 23:37.42 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: we are coming up with a new theme api |
| 23:37.48 | JayCanuck | and I was planning on switching both WOSQI and WebOS Theme Builder to it |
| 23:38.16 | PuffTheMagic | well currently is seems like we are going to keep using ipks |
| 23:38.23 | PuffTheMagic | but just use a new offline root path |
| 23:38.26 | JayCanuck | k, well, that works |
| 23:38.37 | PuffTheMagic | and the path its gonna be on /media/internal/themes |
| 23:38.39 | PuffTheMagic | basically |
| 23:38.54 | PuffTheMagic | so ipkg'd themes will need a postinst or something |
| 23:38.57 | PuffTheMagic | not a big deal |
| 23:38.59 | JayCanuck | I'm adding an Export As Ipk option to WebOS Theme Builder, to transition all zip themes @ precentral |
| 23:39.11 | PuffTheMagic | but themes wont be touching any palm files from now on |
| 23:40.10 | PuffTheMagic | thats the goal at least |
| 23:40.14 | JayCanuck | that is...interesting |
| 23:40.23 | JayCanuck | how will SysMgr files get altered |
| 23:40.31 | JayCanuck | all those are binary controlled |
| 23:40.42 | JayCanuck | and are very visible and themed by most themes |
| 23:40.50 | rwong | can i just get like.. *part* of a Precentral theme package? just the wallpaper and screen lock icon really.. |
| 23:41.26 | JayCanuck | rwong, download the zip file from precentral |
| 23:41.32 | JayCanuck | you can grab the images |
| 23:41.47 | zsocwerkin | rwong: theme maintainers would have to release pieced options for 'supported' instalation |
| 23:41.55 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: all that is gonna get overriden with css |
| 23:42.03 | JayCanuck | but how |
| 23:42.08 | JayCanuck | they aren't in any css |
| 23:42.10 | rwong | i see, thanks |
| 23:42.24 | JayCanuck | LunaSysMgr uses them directly, last I checked |
| 23:42.53 | JayCanuck | so I assume the new theme format disallows patches? |
| 23:42.55 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: i dont know if "all" details have been worked out |
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| 23:43.15 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: but the "goal" is to not have to have themes use patches |
| 23:43.30 | JayCanuck | k, I can accept that |
| 23:43.32 | JayCanuck | but what about audio file replacements? |
| 23:43.44 | JayCanuck | custom theme notification settings, etc. |
| 23:43.46 | PuffTheMagic | idk if that has been discused yet |
| 23:44.04 | JayCanuck | that could maybe be sent via luna-send service call commands |
| 23:44.10 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: i do encourage you to maintain more of a presense around here as we are always talking about these things |
| 23:44.29 | PuffTheMagic | and would like your input/participation |
| 23:44.34 | JayCanuck | yea, I really need to change IRC clients, lol |
| 23:44.58 | zsocwerkin | "thank you for your participation in our programs" |
| 23:45.09 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 23:46.54 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: so there is a wiki page started where we are sorta document thoughts we have so far and things we think are good ideas |
| 23:47.06 | PuffTheMagic | so that would give you an idea of what we think we have an idea how to implement |
| 23:47.09 | JayCanuck | yea, saw http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Theme_Management_API :) |
| 23:47.20 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: rick knows more about the css than i do |
| 23:47.23 | JayCanuck | so, the css overrides |
| 23:48.04 | JayCanuck | as far as I know, i'd be impossible to override a "!important" css setting |
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| 23:49.06 | JayCanuck | if rick knows of a solution, sounds like a nice idea though |
| 23:49.29 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: the path in the main framework files look in a new directory for css after parsing the real files then if anything is redefined in the new css files should take over i would think |
| 23:49.43 | PuffTheMagic | i think thats the idea |
| 23:49.45 | PuffTheMagic | we will see |
| 23:50.11 | PuffTheMagic | i just threw out an idea last night about patchless theme api and some ideas and egaudet has been running with it |
| 23:50.24 | PuffTheMagic | and so is destinal-work and rick-home |
| 23:50.32 | JayCanuck | yea, there's definitely more than a few tricky parts |
| 23:50.34 | PuffTheMagic | neither of which are around atm |
| 23:50.49 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: yeah i didnt think this was gonna be implemened in 24hrs |
| 23:50.50 | JayCanuck | like apps that just use <img src="..."> |
| 23:50.57 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: so u can relax |
| 23:51.00 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 23:51.14 | JayCanuck | well, as of wosqi, zip theming is disabled |
| 23:51.48 | JayCanuck | while theoretically, zip theming I liked a lot, I had to many novacom connection issues and it took too long, lol |
| 23:51.55 | zsocwerkin | bbiab |
| 23:51.56 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: even if the new api isnt as robust in therms of what can be done now, it will be done cleaner and the api and grow as we learn how to do more things cleanly |
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| 23:52.11 | iSmite | whens the new firmware coming out have they said? |
| 23:52.19 | PuffTheMagic | firmware? |
| 23:52.36 | JayCanuck | I'm mainly concerned at the transition between the x-hundred themes currently available |
| 23:52.50 | JayCanuck | cause there are many gems out there I'd hate to loose |
| 23:53.00 | JayCanuck | Left 4 Dead theme kicks ass! |
| 23:53.21 | iSmite | whatever its called sorry used to iphone terms the one that comes after 1.3.5.2 |
| 23:53.25 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: it might not be a perfect transition... and i dont think we are forcing anyone to use this new api |
| 23:53.40 | PuffTheMagic | and both could probably exist with out breaking each other too much |
| 23:53.58 | JayCanuck | puffthemagic, this I should do a temporary in-between format? |
| 23:54.03 | JayCanuck | *think |
| 23:54.24 | JayCanuck | like, a prethemer-style ipk format transition from zip |
| 23:54.37 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: naaa, i wouldnt really do anything till its matured a little bit |
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| 23:54.54 | JayCanuck | to fill the time gap before the new api is ready |
| 23:54.54 | PuffTheMagic | i think only themes created from scratch for the api should be used with the new api for now |
| 23:55.14 | JayCanuck | k, so just go with a prethemer-style ipk solution right now? |
| 23:55.21 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: thing is i anticipate a lot of experimentation for a little bit |
| 23:55.30 | PuffTheMagic | and the spec is gonna be in flux for a little while |
| 23:55.39 | PuffTheMagic | so not much point in doing anything just yet |
| 23:55.58 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: yeah stick with what you currently have i guess |
| 23:56.27 | JayCanuck | what I currently have is the zip/xml format, which installs included patches as separate optional entities |
| 23:56.52 | PuffTheMagic | JayCanuck: i dont know much of the current theme details, i dont use themes |
| 23:56.56 | PuffTheMagic | yet |
| 23:58.15 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: u happy u aint working on precorder any more? |
| 23:58.28 | JayCanuck | I think what I'll do in the meantime until theme spec is finished would be to just make an ipk similar to prethemer's, except have patch install as a separate entity |
| 23:58.54 | JayCanuck | so at the very least I can transition the precentral format to ipk |
| 23:59.07 | FreeTim | Zsoc: it was great though. I liked it |
