| 00:00.07 | Smubeht | i noticed youtube videos volume has increased |
| 00:00.10 | destinal | if 6 months of our access to code can be traditional |
| 00:00.10 | Smubeht | anyone else seeing that? |
| 00:00.14 | Butter | jack87: hey hey :-) Smooches LOL |
| 00:00.21 | Smubeht | i can actually hear the sound |
| 00:00.22 | Smubeht | lol |
| 00:01.04 | *** part/#webos-internals Jack87 (i=9b65aad6@gateway/web/freenode/x-zxvrmtpgzpibzcbr) |
| 00:01.16 | zsoc | destinal: oh. EGL supports binding to native windowing systems. Maybe those kernel changes are the beginning of direct fb access 'through' Luna in an alternative to NPAPIs |
| 00:01.23 | zsoc | destinal: which I think is exactly what you said :P |
| 00:01.33 | Mousey | yay vncserver via fb! |
| 00:02.04 | destinal | zsoc: awesome.. yes, but you just explained it much better |
| 00:02.20 | zsoc | a more 'standard' way of creating/removing display surfaces would be very very welcome |
| 00:02.30 | Butter | thanks and everyone be safe! Ciao and smooches LOL |
| 00:02.39 | destinal | zsoc: someone, somewhere, has this need for speed ipk. I really wish it were me. :) |
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| 00:03.31 | destinal | or better yet someone who could reverse it properly |
| 00:03.39 | zsoc | destinal: I don't want to play it, I want the docs. Its mucked up in binaries right now. I mean we can assume the OpenGL ES stuff is standard, but the driver/EGL relationship could be all proprietary |
| 00:03.56 | destinal | right |
| 00:04.03 | zsoc | unless... |
| 00:04.24 | destinal | hopefully docs will be released. if not, it'll take a significant RE effort |
| 00:05.19 | destinal | and considering I haven't even found the time to teach myself enough reverse engineering to document hidd, I doubt that I'll do so well, really |
| 00:05.43 | zsoc | destinal: no docs i'm sure. We'd need the conformance kits. EGL just manages client APIs, so we need those. Or a conformance kit for those for testing/reverse engeineering api compliance |
| 00:06.31 | zsoc | destinal: I mean it pretty much has to be OpenGL ES/OpenVG/OpenKODE |
| 00:06.31 | zsoc | aren't many options in the embedded 3d graphics sector :D |
| 00:07.04 | destinal | zsoc: at any rate, I think this all fits in with that leaked video rather well |
| 00:07.20 | destinal | and we should be seeing some very interesting apps soon |
| 00:07.25 | zsoc | Oh yeah, I think the 'leaked video' is pretty much been proven at this point imo |
| 00:07.42 | zsoc | destinal: I don't want to wait for that :D homebrew docs ftw ;) |
| 00:08.18 | zsoc | Someone somewhere must have an opengl es conformance kit. |
| 00:08.21 | destinal | zsoc: well, I suppose the interfaces from Luna outward probably already exist, but digging for them will be very nontrivial |
| 00:09.12 | zsoc | destinal: The other thing is the whole canvas tag thing. Did you see the website with the test js/canvas that shows 3d rendering and textures? |
| 00:09.21 | destinal | ah, yes. |
| 00:09.27 | zsoc | destinal: it's not webgl compliant, but it might as well be, it's the same idea |
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| 00:09.37 | zsoc | webgl just extends it all the way to opengl compatibility |
| 00:09.56 | zsoc | to my understanding, none of these are really 'my fields' per se |
| 00:10.23 | destinal | I expect that we'll see 3d mojo apps as well as 3d native apps. I only include the native stuff because I can't see what was on that video working in pure mojo. then again, I suppose I could be wrong? |
| 00:10.26 | zsoc | I mean, hell, for all intent and purpose, I was rendering a 3d environment on my pre |
| 00:11.10 | zsoc | destinal: What's the true difference if it's "native" vs. inside of a mojo wrapper? If it's going to be supported by the SDK, it'll need a js wrapper ANYWAY, what better one than webGL, since it's already written? |
| 00:11.42 | luwangui | argh |
| 00:11.43 | destinal | would make sense |
| 00:11.48 | zsoc | destinal: I have an idea |
| 00:11.58 | luwangui | i'm about to go crazy.... how much space does the metadoctor need to make the dang image! |
| 00:11.58 | zsoc | I want to try it, but my js/mojo knowledge isn't up to snuff |
| 00:12.01 | luwangui | '? |
| 00:12.25 | destinal | luwangui: a lot |
| 00:13.34 | luwangui | fffuuu |
| 00:13.47 | luwangui | more than 1 gb? |
| 00:14.09 | destinal | luwangui: it has to decompress the jar, which is probably at least 2:1 compressed |
| 00:14.22 | luwangui | anyone know of some useless stuff to delete from the ubuntu default install? lol |
| 00:14.24 | destinal | and then create a second. |
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| 00:14.34 | psi_ | hi |
| 00:14.42 | luwangui | i removed openoffice and gimp |
| 00:14.45 | zsoc | psi_: try turning of prethemer feed (preware menu -> manage feeds) |
| 00:15.00 | destinal | luwangui: are you running on an ubuntu workstation or in a VM? |
| 00:15.20 | luwangui | vm |
| 00:15.30 | destinal | luwangui: you could always add a virtual disk |
| 00:15.45 | destinal | mkfs it, mount it, copy stuff over there, run metadoctor |
| 00:15.51 | luwangui | good idea |
| 00:15.52 | luwangui | thanks |
| 00:16.01 | psi_ | zsoc: i have no manage feeds there |
| 00:16.07 | destinal | luwangui: no problem |
| 00:16.48 | zsoc | psi_: if you have an older version, you'll have to go into Preferences and click 'feeds' on the top right |
| 00:18.01 | psi_ | zsoc: smooth. thanks |
| 00:18.36 | zsoc | destinal: "Say Y here if you want to use an Omap Video layer as a frame buffer" <-- :D |
| 00:19.24 | destinal | zsoc: eh? |
| 00:19.28 | zsoc | destinal: hm... and the _entire_ palm coded video driver for the framebuffer. I wonder how thrilled TI is about this. |
| 00:19.47 | destinal | zsoc: TI has become a lot more open lately |
| 00:19.53 | destinal | zsoc: they may have blessed it |
| 00:20.20 | zsoc | destinal: that is true, actually, I have recently seen a lot of TI docs floating around.. especially on OMAP35 and DM boards for hardware bridge stuff |
| 00:21.08 | psi_ | nice thing, this preware |
| 00:22.27 | zsoc | destinal: lol, gotta love a variable named "jiffies" :D |
| 00:22.29 | destinal | in the opensource.palm.com trees, between 131 and 135, we lost gst-ffmpeg and gained gst-plugins-bad libsdl libsdl-image libsdl-mixer libsdl-net libsdl-ttf |
| 00:22.37 | destinal | note the SDL stuff? |
| 00:23.06 | zsoc | destinal: oh now THAT is interesting. gst guys would love that, ffmpeg is nice, but ffmpeg ported gst stuff is _terrible_ |
| 00:23.14 | zsoc | explains the changes in video playback flows i've notcied |
| 00:23.15 | psi_ | jobs would say: you'll love it. *ducknrun* |
| 00:23.19 | psi_ | :) |
| 00:23.24 | zsoc | xD |
| 00:24.07 | zsoc | destinal: wait |
| 00:24.41 | zsoc | destinal: that means ffmpeg isn't being used for... anything. it was doing most of the audio/video decoding before for certain formats iirc, and the demuxing possibly? |
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| 00:24.51 | zsoc | destinal: sdl means that it's hardware accelerated now. |
| 00:25.11 | luwangui | my day is reminding me of this http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 00:25.54 | zsoc | luwangui: that's a good thing xD |
| 00:26.32 | psi_ | ok, so if maptool says the maps are stored in the internal drive. how do i access this drive? USB? |
| 00:26.33 | zsoc | destinal: wait no, i'm not so sure that sdl stuff is being used for anything involving video |
| 00:27.38 | zsoc | destinal: and i'm no expert, but i don't know of any embedded use of sdl |
| 00:28.12 | luwangui | btw how do i reference people in that cool way you guys do? :p its been way too long since i've used IRC |
| 00:28.40 | destinal | zsoc: I think the loss of ffmpeg from sources may be an oversight. |
| 00:29.21 | zsoc | destinal: yes it must be. also gst bad wasn't in 1.3.1? i thought it always was.. i don't see any additional binaries of interest |
| 00:29.30 | zsoc | luwangui: type their name? |
| 00:29.40 | luwangui | zsoc bla |
| 00:29.50 | luwangui | its not making that cool effect |
| 00:29.51 | destinal | zsoc: well that's just from the source package list palm gives us |
| 00:30.01 | destinal | zsoc: I haven't made a doctor comparison yet |
| 00:30.01 | luwangui | zsoc: bla again |
| 00:30.04 | psi_ | :/ updated preware before the packet manager |
| 00:30.19 | zsoc | luwangui: no, you don't see the cool effect, the people you are referencing see it. that's the point. it pings them. |
| 00:30.39 | luwangui | zsoc: aha lol, ok sorry for spam :) |
| 00:31.47 | zsoc | destinal: wait a second... |
| 00:33.33 | destinal | it's really libSDL.. what if we just.. tried to use it? :) |
| 00:33.42 | zsoc | destinal: you're right, how did i miss that. what in the world. they released a patch for something that isn't in the final release. |
| 00:34.19 | zsoc | destinal: not libsdl, i mean gst bad. it should have dfbvideosink. In other words, sinking video from a media pipeline without using their hacked NPAPI |
| 00:35.14 | zsoc | destinal: you might be on to something. video playback and camera preview might no longer be using an NPAPI. Did the camera app code change or the media framwork files change? we need a full doctor diff |
| 00:36.10 | psi_ | where can i get the latest package manager? preware says the package manager is too old |
| 00:36.24 | destinal | zsoc: Package gst-plugins-bad (0.10.9-r23) is installed on root and has the following files: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaiffparse.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstamrwb.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmetadata.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstrtpmanager.so /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0 /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0.0.0 |
| 00:37.14 | destinal | didn't the camera stuff used to live in /usr/lib/BrowserServerPlugins? |
| 00:37.20 | zsoc | destinal: amrwb? isn't that like voice recognition stuff? |
| 00:37.41 | zsoc | destinal: the camera stuff is (or at least was) a mess. it was in the app and a bunch of framework files |
| 00:37.50 | zsoc | and a browser plugin also, yes |
| 00:38.37 | zsoc | what is libgstapp... i need to start looking into this D: |
| 00:39.11 | zsoc | destinal: the gst-bad patch includes dfbvideosink, but there is no dfbvideosink binary. That is very fishy. |
| 00:41.01 | zsoc | destinal: libgstapp allows use of appsrc (external api to inject buffers into a pipeline) and libgstamrwb is voice recognition stuff. This HAS to be for voicedialing |
| 00:41.34 | destinal | zsoc: very interesting indeed |
| 00:42.33 | psi_ | where do i get the latest ipkgservice? |
| 00:42.55 | zsoc | psi_: i always say run the preware bootstrap, but i'm a bad person who gives bad advice |
| 00:43.06 | destinal | psi_: preware or its feeds? |
| 00:43.09 | zsoc | psi_: webos quick install should have a decently new version? |
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| 00:43.53 | psi_ | i updated preware before ipkgservice, not it says ipkgservice is too old for preware |
| 00:43.58 | destinal | zsoc: would that I had ARM compiled SDL test binaries handy -- have a cross compiler chain running? |
| 00:44.14 | psi_ | ok, eventually i misunderstoos something |
| 00:44.21 | zsoc | destinal: I didn't understand that sentence, 1 more time please? |
| 00:44.38 | zsoc | psi_: how did you originally install preware/ipkgservice? |
| 00:44.38 | destinal | zsoc: so, libSDL is installed. not sure yet what links to it, but why can't we? |
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| 00:45.11 | psi_ | zsoc: i used webos quick install |
| 00:45.25 | psi_ | zsoc: and downloaded the preware package version 0.9.5 |
| 00:45.40 | zsoc | destinal: like I said, I have no knowledge of sdl being used on anything embedded, i think it would be quite a compatibility leap |
| 00:45.44 | destinal | zsoc: who's to say you wouldn't fire up one of the SDL test programs and get graphics immediately? |
| 00:45.46 | zsoc | psi_: no no no, use the feeds |
| 00:45.53 | zsoc | destinal: i would fall off my chair |
| 00:46.28 | zsoc | destinal: is there a standard "sdl test" program/library? if it's in repos i could cross compile it |
| 00:46.31 | destinal | zsoc: so I say again, do you have a handy ARM cross compiler built? |
| 00:46.37 | psi_ | zsoc: how do i do that in webos quick install? |
| 00:46.37 | destinal | zsoc: yeah in the SDL stuff |
| 00:47.31 | zsoc | psi_: this isn't really webos-internals territory, there are tons of tutorials out there. but as i remember, you click the button below the plus and minus signs, change the dropdown menu to webos-internals (all) and check preware and package manager service |
| 00:48.00 | zsoc | destinal: i'm compiling an sdl doom port right now |
| 00:48.34 | zsoc | psi_: or as rod would say, follow the instructions at install.preware.org |
| 00:48.41 | psi_ | zsoc: ah ok. thank you very much |
| 00:48.42 | destinal | zsoc: that's a little larger a program than I would have done, but knock yourself out |
| 00:49.27 | zsoc | destinal: lol, nevermind, there are all these prebuilt sdl crap... none of it supports arm tho (at least claims not to) |
| 00:49.51 | zsoc | destinal: give me a second, i'm still stuck on this. how would we test it? kill luna and launch it? |
| 00:50.05 | destinal | try launching it without killing luna |
| 00:50.32 | psi_ | zsoc: i |
| 00:50.45 | psi_ | zsoc: i'm beginning to understand now ;) |
| 00:50.50 | zsoc | destinal: i'm SURE there's no magic in mojo to handle that scenerio |
| 00:51.20 | zsoc | destinal: although there's so much to look into (apparently). we need that diff. I'll go make random SDL stuff arm compilable :P |
| 00:53.14 | zsoc | destinal: i'm no SDL expert, but for the audio/video/media hooks to all work, palm would have had to standardize all the various low level drivers and other components in the hardware bridging, i really doubt all of that |
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| 00:53.18 | destinal | zsoc: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/48772-sdl-simplest-example/ |
| 00:54.19 | zsoc | ugh my head hurts. i'm going to have to patch resolution |
| 00:55.15 | destinal | looking to see if anything links to it out of the box |
| 00:55.31 | zsoc | destinal: sdlgears maybe? |
| 00:55.59 | destinal | zsoc: sounds good |
| 00:58.10 | zsoc | destinal: i'm just saying, i see no other changes that lead me to believe Palm has made their environment api compatible with sdl. They might be using it for a _specific_ api, whether that be audio/video/media/etc it's tough to say. lemme look at the patch? |
| 00:59.01 | zsoc | although looks like they ported the whole library |
| 00:59.29 | destinal | libpdl seems to link to it.. nothing else I've found |
| 00:59.40 | luwangui | when i'm using metadoctor, and i want to make an image from the gsm o2 firmware, i use make CARRIER=bellmo unpack patch pack ? |
| 01:00.26 | zsoc | destinal: that would be like... voip... or video conf... and would match up with the sdl-net port |
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| 01:00.32 | zsoc | sdl network protocol library, that is |
| 01:00.50 | destinal | luwangui: bellmo is CDMA canadian provider |
| 01:01.26 | destinal | use "wr" in place of "bellmo" |
| 01:01.35 | destinal | wr = world ready |
| 01:02.02 | luwangui | roger |
| 01:02.04 | luwangui | ty |
| 01:02.16 | luwangui | was wondering what that stood for |
| 01:02.39 | zsoc | destinal: i take everything else i said back. looks like Palm's sdl patches make it entirely webos compatible, down to hardware access and haptic feedback |
| 01:02.56 | destinal | nice |
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| 01:03.28 | hsapley | hello |
| 01:03.37 | destinal | zsoc: working on building gears still? :) |
| 01:04.18 | zsoc | destinal: BAH. SO MANY HEADERS THEY DIDN"T INCLUDE. I'm going to go send an email :p |
| 01:04.42 | destinal | zsoc: oh gods, we have been through this SO many times |
| 01:04.52 | zsoc | destinal: totally on purpose. they want to keep us busy |
| 01:05.00 | hsapley | I'm trying to figure out how to get a theme off my pre. I got rid of the theme but it is still active |
| 01:05.10 | destinal | zsoc: In emails months ago I asked palm to build on a box without anything they're not going to distribute on it |
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| 01:05.26 | destinal | it's not that hard, right? |
| 01:06.01 | destinal | it would be a very easy smoke test for compliance to build everything that goes out in opensource.palm.com |
| 01:06.04 | zsoc | destinal: sorry i'm not a "jump into it" kind of guy. i need to look at a few more things before i try to compile/run anything. if you give http://www.libsdl.org/opengl/SDLgears-1.0.2.tar.gz to PuffTheMagic, he might compile it for you quick |
| 01:06.08 | destinal | on a box without anything but what we can get |
| 01:07.49 | zsoc | there's food next to me |
| 01:07.49 | zsoc | i want to eat it |
| 01:07.49 | destinal | zsoc: :) |
| 01:07.49 | zsoc | but i need to read more |
| 01:07.49 | zsoc | oh my god what do i do |
| 01:07.50 | zsoc | and now there's a beer too |
| 01:07.58 | destinal | zsoc: tough decisions. well, the beer is obvious |
| 01:08.16 | destinal | assuming it's not budweiser that is |
| 01:08.28 | zsoc | destinal: looks like full OpenGL ES hardward support through SDL and fb drivers |
| 01:08.35 | zsoc | destinal: sierra nevada kellerweis |
| 01:08.45 | destinal | zsoc: WANT |
| 01:09.19 | destinal | both really but the beer sounds better at the moment. I've tried it, and it's a very good hefeweisen |
| 01:09.36 | zsoc | destinal: did you look through palm's sdl patch? |
| 01:09.42 | zsoc | destinal: it's a full arm/webos port |
| 01:09.47 | destinal | zsoc: no, but I'm about to. I think we have serious win here |
| 01:09.48 | zsoc | destinal: they have been busy bees |
| 01:10.12 | zsoc | destinal: i mean this is no joke. they said "Screw every other embedded graphics solution right now, lets just do this" |
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| 01:11.09 | destinal | zsoc: there's SDL for the iphone too, as a third party project, so it's not entirely unheard of, still pretty impressive choice |
| 01:12.23 | zsoc | destinal: well it will make sdl inclusion VERY easyt |
| 01:12.32 | zsoc | or rather, there could be a separate GDK |
| 01:13.36 | zsoc | wait |
| 01:13.45 | zsoc | destinal: this is important: are you under NDA of any sort? |
| 01:15.16 | zsoc | destinal: we need to figure out the mojo involved in all this |
| 01:15.26 | zsoc | I think there's a conspiricy going on |
| 01:15.33 | zsoc | everyone knows about this and they can't talk about it |
| 01:15.40 | zsoc | takes his medication |
| 01:15.40 | zsoc | sorry |
| 01:16.20 | luwangui | lol |
| 01:17.07 | destinal | zsoc: :) if there's a conspiracy, I'm not in it |
| 01:18.27 | zsoc | hm |
| 01:18.27 | zsoc | lol |
| 01:19.24 | destinal | zsoc: I feel so left out |
| 01:19.38 | zsoc | destinal: seriously, if i tried to recompile palm's sdl stuff, i would be short about 30 headers lol |
| 01:20.26 | destinal | zsoc: it's LGPL, do you have any idea how hard it's going to be to convince them that it needs to be complete / corresponding? I mean, it does, but I had this conversation with them before months ago about webkit and piranha |
| 01:20.46 | zsoc | hm |
| 01:20.49 | zsoc | well i mean we don't _need_ it |
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| 01:21.01 | destinal | yeah, but we do have the right to it |
| 01:21.04 | zsoc | destinal: the stuff we _need_ is the mojo hooks, which are all 'super sekret' |
| 01:21.42 | destinal | zsoc: you're assuming there are any mojo hooks and it's not just NPAPI overlaid under surfacve |
| 01:21.45 | destinal | surface |
| 01:22.07 | zsoc | destinal: that would be the smallest npapi of all time |
| 01:22.15 | zsoc | and if i know how palm does things, there won't be one |
| 01:22.25 | zsoc | i'm with you on your 'native' idea |
| 01:22.31 | MLJ | Can any of the webos internals team help me identify why the themes I created are not working via preware and WebOS 1.3.5? The image directories are correct, backups are created, yet the images don't get replaced. |
| 01:22.42 | destinal | or maybe just enough of a "plugin" required to launch the native code |
| 01:22.59 | destinal | you're right, there could be a special plugin / embed directive |
| 01:23.03 | destinal | but I wonder if we even need it |
| 01:23.22 | zsoc | destinal: we might be able to "overlay" luna, like in the background |
| 01:23.33 | destinal | exactly what I was thinking |
| 01:23.43 | zsoc | hmm... you know, an external display might be possible also with the fb driver |
| 01:25.26 | destinal | ~botsnack |
| 01:25.26 | infobot | destinal: :) |
| 01:25.31 | destinal | ~seen ameng |
| 01:25.32 | infobot | ameng is currently on #webos-internals (1d 7h 57m 53s), last said: 'warren: http://zawakei.web.fc2.com/mojimoca/ , do you try this?'. |
| 01:26.17 | zsoc | destinal: this isn't dfb anymore |
| 01:26.46 | destinal | zsoc: yeah, I was thinking about people here who might also know SDL :) |
| 01:26.57 | zsoc | Palm has actually stepped up. A ground-up TI fb driver for OMAP34 and a full SDL port. |
| 01:27.08 | luwangui | is finally making the friggin metadoc image |
| 01:27.10 | zsoc | I mean, we only know about it because they _had_ to release it. I'm glad personally. |
| 01:27.12 | destinal | zsoc: we were always thinking of doing directfb and layering SDL on top of it |
| 01:27.32 | destinal | zsoc: looks like palm beat us to it but bigger |
| 01:27.34 | bpadalino | maybe palm stole the idea from you |
| 01:27.49 | luwangui | i swear i have spent more than 24 hours trying to fix this pre lol |
| 01:27.56 | destinal | bpadalino: heh :) |
| 01:28.03 | zsoc | destinal: well it's even better. skip directfb, write the friggin driver, and then layer sdl ;) |
| 01:28.35 | destinal | zsoc: yeah, what kind of apps *couldn't* we write with SDL and ES? |
| 01:28.42 | destinal | this is exciting |
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| 01:29.14 | zsoc | destinal: so it seems like all of the OpenGL ES access is _through_ sdl, or maybe compiled into it? Not sure what the correct wording is, but it's not in separate libraries |
| 01:29.28 | hape | when i listen to you. When we will so without virtual root |
| 01:29.30 | hape | ? |
| 01:29.41 | zsoc | hape: i'm sorry? |
| 01:30.28 | zsoc | I think that's a google translate job there. Do we have any native german speakers? |
| 01:30.49 | hape | olny fun. As you are talking about sdl and I see nfs getting read. Then I hope for a doom port on precentral. |
| 01:30.58 | hape | dreaming ... |
| 01:31.10 | hape | ja |
| 01:31.16 | zsoc | hape: I will port Doom for you tonight :) |
| 01:31.18 | zsoc | xD |
| 01:31.39 | destinal | zsoc: mickey|tv is a native German speaker I believe |
| 01:31.46 | zsoc | now I need to learn sdl :P |
| 01:31.48 | DarkSpecter | too |
| 01:32.04 | DarkSpecter | native german that is |
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| 01:32.27 | zsoc | I mean #webos guys will only need to know opengl es :P |
| 01:32.28 | hape | sorry. It is 2:30am here. so my english is not the best at the moment :-) |
| 01:33.04 | zsoc | hape: oh lol! You're ok mate, just your first sentence confused me. Your english is good otherwise :) |
| 01:33.06 | hape | I saw the exisitng doom port, that used a fake root. That was what I'm mean |
| 01:33.17 | zsoc | ah, i understand |
| 01:33.29 | hape | so I hope for one without fakeroot now |
| 01:33.41 | zsoc | palm did all the hard work already |
| 01:34.00 | hape | I'm a programmer too, but not on embadded devices and linux. So only reading and learning for now |
| 01:34.13 | zsoc | someone should convince puff not to go to school and just do awesome webos stuff ;) |
| 01:34.21 | destinal | hopefully someone here knows more SDL than I do.. I am hoping that once we initialize a surface and start drawing to it, it'll be drawn instead of or on top of Luna, but that may be hoping for too much |
| 01:35.08 | DarkSpecter | now that sdl is working what next ... wine ? :P |
| 01:35.31 | zsoc | DarkSpecter: X on embedded devices is pretty useless without external display or 800x600 native displays, imho |
| 01:35.36 | hape | Did I got you right. You what to tell luna that you have the screen directly draw to it without webkit control? |
| 01:35.36 | destinal | DarkSpecter: well, we haven't exactly made it work yet (though I am sure it does probably work) |
| 01:35.42 | meCka_ | guys, to run webOS doctor do i need to still the SDK on my windows pc? |
| 01:36.06 | zsoc | destinal: I don't think that's SDL knowledge, I can just read the docs for that. I think we need a low-level graphics guy to make breasts and rear of the fb driver in the kernel |
| 01:36.25 | DarkSpecter | zsoc: that was meant as a joke actualy, i dont realy see the need for a virus runtime on webos ;) |
| 01:36.44 | destinal | zsoc: now that metaphor might confuse those non-native english speakers :) |
| 01:36.52 | destinal | it almost confused me |
| 01:36.57 | zsoc | hape: yes we're trying to figure out if that's possible. it looks its possible with the new framebuffer driver built into the kernel. |
| 01:36.57 | destinal | ;) |
| 01:37.11 | zsoc | DarkSpecter: virus on webos before macos? i welcome it ;) |
| 01:37.32 | zsoc | destinal: now they will learn 'zsoc english' ;) |
| 01:37.51 | hape | zsoc: Thanks |
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| 01:39.00 | DarkSpecter | zsoc: well ignoring wine as a possible webos virus runtime, there's still flash once it actualy becomes available |
| 01:39.20 | destinal | zsoc: I'm thinking an SDL terminal may be in our futures :) |
| 01:39.37 | zsoc | destinal: also, looks like the sdl patches automatically set 320x480 res |
| 01:40.47 | zsoc | destinal: and key mapping, it's all in the port |
| 01:41.04 | DarkSpecter | wonders if EFL can work with a sdl backend |
| 01:41.16 | destinal | basically this could open native development to a LOT of people who probably struggle with the NPAPI stuff we're using now (I've been shocked that we still don't have any other homebrew plugins besides terminal for webos NPAPI) |
| 01:42.00 | destinal | and also we wouldn't need piranha so I can stop being annoyed about not having it :) |
| 01:42.24 | zsoc | ah, the strategy could be turn SDL into an SDK ;) |
| 01:42.34 | zsoc | s/SDK/NDK/ |
| 01:43.01 | destinal | ack, look at the time. must commute home |
| 01:43.02 | destinal | bbl |
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| 01:43.39 | zsoc | this is interesting... it may be able to run any standard sdl stuff webos compatible with no patches to the actually sdl application.. |
| 01:44.36 | bpadalino | there's a webos 1.3.3 ? |
| 01:44.50 | zsoc | bpadalino: prolly gsm stuff |
| 01:44.56 | bpadalino | ah |
| 01:46.24 | acydlord | wow fail |
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| 01:46.33 | acydlord | i just got an incomming call and my phone froze and then rebooted |
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| 01:47.08 | zsoc | acydlord: what do you mean a call? like a subroutine? |
| 01:47.24 | acydlord | incoming phonecall |
| 01:47.37 | zsoc | phonecall? is that a function ()? |
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| 01:47.43 | bpadalino | heh |
| 01:48.05 | acydlord | it's supposed to be a function since this isnt an iphone |
| 01:48.10 | dBsooner | so what does the existence of these mean? |
| 01:48.20 | dBsooner | usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideocrop.so and usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoscale.so |
| 01:48.27 | zsoc | acydlord: lol good one |
| 01:48.35 | zsoc | dBsooner: quiet you, there's too many things to do first |
| 01:48.44 | dBsooner | i'm just sayin |
| 01:48.59 | dBsooner | just pointin out the bluntly obvious new files in the "new" build of 1.3.5 |
| 01:49.28 | DarkSpecter | considers tinkering with evas on webos |
| 01:49.32 | zsoc | holy crap |
| 01:49.39 | zsoc | uh... /usr/bin/sdl-config |
| 01:49.51 | zsoc | they want to compile stuff on-device/on-install? |
| 01:49.52 | dBsooner | yeah, that too |
| 01:50.28 | zsoc | dBsooner: videoscale is just an auto 'make the video the size it should be' gst element, and videocrop is similar but more direct |
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| 01:50.49 | zsoc | dBsooner: but in theory videocrop could be used for trans/conversion more than just sizing |
| 01:51.14 | yokken | I didn't really check this out since I didn't really care |
| 01:51.23 | yokken | but is there a fix for app catalog? |
| 01:51.34 | dBsooner | fix? |
| 01:51.40 | yokken | mine is broken |
| 01:51.45 | dBsooner | how? |
| 01:51.50 | yokken | won't load... it just sits there |
| 01:51.52 | navinag_ | yokken: what do you mean fix |
| 01:51.55 | yokken | no apps load or anything |
| 01:52.02 | yokken | also wirc owns |
| 01:52.05 | dBsooner | what is nappmgr? |
| 01:52.48 | navinag_ | yokken: I have not seen the app catalog not load.....There are some issues installing apps...but there is the EMH fix for that |
| 01:52.51 | yokken | lol nvm guys, it works now. just didn't right away. |
| 01:53.13 | yokken | I let it sit for like 30 seconds before didn't load, now it does |
| 01:53.39 | zsoc | yokken: slow data connection mebe |
| 01:53.46 | yokken | I was on wifi |
| 01:53.52 | yokken | and I have a good connection |
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| 01:54.55 | zsoc | odd |
| 01:56.32 | yokken | indeed |
| 01:56.38 | yokken | but whatever, a hiccup. |
| 01:56.49 | yokken | props to whoever made wIRC |
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| 02:01.28 | jacques3 | has anyone noticed the colors are different in wIRC since the 1.3.5 upgrade? |
| 02:02.08 | jacques3 | the text colors, that is |
| 02:02.30 | zsoc | jacques3: you prolly lost your config file in the move |
| 02:03.25 | jacques3 | zsoc: hmm, I bet you are right |
| 02:03.48 | jacques3 | I just don't remember configuring the colors, tho it's the sort of thing I would do |
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| 02:04.55 | luwangui | hmm running the "make clobber" to clean up the metadoctor.. how long is it supposed to take? |
| 02:04.58 | jacques3 | so, I wonder if someone compiled a 320x480 SDL app, and ran it on the Pre, what would happen ? |
| 02:05.27 | yokken | I wish my nick would be colored |
| 02:05.37 | zsoc | jacques3: doing it now |
| 02:05.51 | jacques3 | zsoc: you rock! |
| 02:06.23 | zsoc | jacques3: my guess is it will complain about the video surface not being available |
| 02:06.46 | rwhitby | Technobabble: you can use meta-doctor to get straight to launcher on a pre with bad touchscreen |
| 02:06.47 | jacques3 | ah, because luna is using it? |
| 02:08.33 | jacques3 | maybe palm also snuck in some clever way of switching access to the fb device |
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| 02:09.00 | zsoc | jacques3: it would be difficult, they released the whole fb driver. unless i just cant read |
| 02:09.03 | zsoc | which is possible |
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| 02:14.05 | SteveApos | Anyone experiencing an issue with the battery percent and icon patch? Everytime my phone reaches 100% the percentage disappears, as soon as it hits 99% it'll come back. |
| 02:14.43 | jacques3 | SteveApos: I have one of those patches, and I haven't see that behavior |
| 02:15.07 | SteveApos | can't figure out what would cause it considering I've doctored like 3 times in the past few days its a few install. |
| 02:15.18 | SteveApos | new* install |
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| 02:16.27 | jacques3 | rwhitby: it may be possible to communicate directly with upstart init over dbus on webos, have you encountered that? |
| 02:16.28 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 02:16.38 | rwhitby | jacques3: nope |
| 02:16.52 | jacques3 | rwhitby: OK I'll keep looking at it |
| 02:17.07 | rwhitby | jacques3: but I expect it might be possible - there are some dbus ports open in developer mode over usb |
| 02:17.21 | rwhitby | (see the related upstart scripts) |
| 02:17.32 | dBsooner | rwhitby: you still here? |
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| 02:19.19 | destinal | quiet... |
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| 02:19.42 | jacques3 | too quiet |
| 02:20.18 | zsoc | destinal: oh this is cool. when the surface is 'flipped' (presumably from accelerometer actions) it saves the last buffer, destroys the old surface, makes the new surface in the new orientation, and displays that saved buffer |
| 02:20.51 | destinal | cool |
| 02:20.51 | jacques3 | I was wondering how they could handle that |
| 02:21.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: do you know any SDL guys? I need someone to confirm compiling _against_ a standard sdl library wouldn't completely disfigure sdl applications. Otherwise the only way I can compile sdl applications is _on_ the pre D: |
| 02:21.41 | jacques3 | heck, maybe that's part of stock SDL |
| 02:22.30 | jacques3 | what's wrong with compiling on the pre? :-D I guess it's not been done much so far |
| 02:23.21 | jacques3 | couldn't you copy the libs into the staging dir of your cross-toolchain? |
| 02:23.32 | destinal | I've done it |
| 02:23.47 | jacques3 | hmm, what about header files? |
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| 02:24.06 | jacques3 | destinal: you've built things native on the pre? cool |
| 02:24.11 | destinal | build on pre that is. not sdl tho |
| 02:24.27 | jacques3 | using the toolchain in optware? |
| 02:24.51 | destinal | using a debian chroot |
| 02:25.05 | acydlord | zsoc, you should be able to compile using qemu |
| 02:25.27 | jacques3 | ah. anyone done NFS to pre over wifi? |
| 02:25.41 | zsoc | I built glib on the pre. it's painful |
| 02:25.51 | zsoc | acydlord: i am not familiar :/ |
| 02:26.03 | zsoc | destinal: seems there is a "virtual framebuffer" involved here. |
| 02:26.07 | acydlord | when i'd do sdl porting for the N810 i used qemu, it's a processor emulator for linux |
| 02:26.18 | jacques3 | hmm, nfs over usbnet would be better |
| 02:26.20 | zsoc | acydlord: why didn't you tell me you had sdl knowledge? |
| 02:26.37 | destinal | surely someone has nfs but sshfs is simple enough |
| 02:26.45 | acydlord | zsoc, i dont really have sdl knowlege, just did some porting from exsisting packages |
| 02:26.53 | acydlord | x86 to armel stuff |
| 02:27.35 | jacques3 | destinal: hmm I didn't even think about sshfs, but it sounds CPU-intensive due to the encryption |
| 02:28.03 | jettero | ssh encryption isn't really that cpu intensive |
| 02:28.09 | jettero | it's symmetric after some initial negotiations |
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| 02:28.19 | zsoc | acydlord: what sdl library did you use? a standard one? |
| 02:28.50 | zsoc | destinal: this is interesting, palm's patch forces resolution, but emulates/scales bitdepth |
| 02:29.27 | jacques3 | incidentally, if you want an extra megabyte-per-second xfer rate over scp over usbnet to the pre, use the blowfish cypher - goes from 2.7MiB/s to 3.7MiB/s |
| 02:29.46 | jacques3 | well from the pre, I don't think it can write to flash that fast... |
| 02:30.15 | zsoc | destinal: ZOMG. look at line 13333 of palm's libsdl patch.. gogogogogo |
| 02:30.39 | acydlord | zsoc, i believe it was a standard lib, someone ported the libs for the omap procs in the NITs |
| 02:30.42 | jacques3 | what depth does luna run? 16-bit? |
| 02:30.49 | acydlord | someone in #maemo might have more info |
| 02:31.01 | zsoc | jacques3: 32bit |
| 02:31.06 | zsoc | acydlord: thank you |
| 02:31.08 | egaudet | more aupt bugs, grr |
| 02:31.19 | jacques3 | zsoc: oh cool |
| 02:31.31 | destinal | zsoc you will have to tell me |
| 02:31.31 | zsoc | destinal: GOGOGOGOGO |
| 02:31.40 | zsoc | destinal: but it's cooler if you see it for yourself :( |
| 02:31.42 | destinal | I am on wirc |
| 02:31.47 | zsoc | bah |
| 02:31.52 | zsoc | how long till you get home? :P |
| 02:32.07 | destinal | half hr |
| 02:32.33 | egaudet | tell me |
| 02:32.33 | destinal | pastebin |
| 02:32.37 | destinal | ok will tellya |
| 02:33.04 | zsoc | hmm... oh this is troublesome |
| 02:33.07 | zsoc | awesome, but troublesome |
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| 02:34.39 | jacques3 | but still awesome |
| 02:35.01 | egaudet | rwhitby, can I get a clean and rebuild of test patches feed when you get a chance. Fixed another bug |
| 02:36.01 | jacques3 | SDL_FBCON_VFB ... hmm VFB ... V |
| 02:36.40 | jacques3 | oh I guess the V is for video and not virtual ... ? |
| 02:37.37 | jacques3 | so AFAWK there are no binaries included in 1.3.5 which are linked to the SDL libs? |
| 02:38.21 | zsoc | jacques3: i'm not so sure, the sdl patches include support for full migration of the video playback elements to be directly linked to the framebuffer through sdl |
| 02:38.22 | ird | :* |
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| 02:38.36 | destinal | only a pdl lib |
| 02:39.23 | destinal | and not sure what links that if any |
| 02:39.39 | jacques3 | #include "../src/events/webos/tslib.h" |
| 02:39.42 | zsoc | jacques3: why would we need any binaries linked to sdl libs? we make our own |
| 02:39.49 | zsoc | :D |
| 02:39.57 | jacques3 | wasn't someone asking for pre support in tslib ? |
| 02:40.18 | jacques3 | zsoc: oh just to see how they behave |
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| 02:40.22 | aioniosfilos | help. Just got palm pres new patch .5 preware won't work |
| 02:40.28 | zsoc | I'm just confused what to set the surface as in this test program. The patch seems to make the surface dynamic based on environmental variables and other various states of Luna |
| 02:40.44 | zsoc | aioniosfilos: uninstall and reinstall package manager service, then run the migration helper |
| 02:41.27 | jacques3 | heh, too bad we can't look at luna patches to see if it has sdl cooperation |
| 02:41.27 | hape | night, see you later |
| 02:41.52 | zsoc | lets turn turbo on :D |
| 02:41.53 | zsoc | lol |
| 02:42.13 | aioniosfilos | bah so I need to get back to my computer then. |
| 02:42.36 | zsoc | aioniosfilos: unless you have the terminal app installed |
| 02:42.51 | PreGame | since i updated to 1.3.5 i cannot install anything via preware |
| 02:42.54 | PreGame | i get an ipkg error |
| 02:43.03 | zsoc | PreGame: care to elaborate the error? :P |
| 02:43.28 | PreGame | ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during "install" operation |
| 02:43.33 | ird | lol |
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| 02:44.08 | aioniosfilos | the linux terminal app? Bah. Na I've been using something else webos installer. |
| 02:44.16 | ird | PreGame: reinstall preware and the ipkg service with Webos Quick Install. |
| 02:44.53 | PreGame | i did |
| 02:44.57 | PreGame | ahh i see |
| 02:45.01 | aioniosfilos | wheres the newest v? I think mines rather old anyways homebrew links an older one. |
| 02:45.11 | PreGame | it looks like it cant find the depends for diffstat and patch |
| 02:45.16 | PreGame | thats weird |
| 02:46.39 | elpollodiablo1 | so I am going to be updating to 1.3.5 tonight anything I need to do before that happens? I know I should remove patches, but the only patchs I have are done by hand(manually edited files on pre) and they are only like turning on the led alert and and hiding an app through editing .json file |
| 02:47.06 | elpollodiablo1 | I dont have any homebrew apps installed |
| 02:47.12 | PreGame | oh crap |
| 02:47.17 | PreGame | i moved them with mvapp |
| 02:47.20 | PreGame | how do i move them back? |
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| 02:48.00 | PreGame | elpollodiablo1: move your apps back to the /var if you used mvapp if you can |
| 02:48.23 | aioniosfilos | 1.3.5 broke my preware so I guess just reinstall |
| 02:48.38 | destinal | update mvapp it has a new thinh |
| 02:48.52 | destinal | for help fix |
| 02:49.39 | elpollodiablo1 | PreGame: I didnt move any of my apps out of /var. any other things I should check? |
| 02:49.45 | destinal | yay for one handed wirc usage |
| 02:51.02 | ird | This is why I didn't use mvapp :D |
| 02:51.52 | destinal | my battery keeps charge so much longer on 135 |
| 02:52.31 | elpollodiablo1 | also after the update I plan on install preware and installing the terminal. I have the old optware installed through the bootstrap script outlined in the "next step" section on webos-internals |
| 02:53.26 | elpollodiablo1 | I know there is an optware install through preware, with having it set up the old way casue problems in the future? |
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| 02:55.22 | jacques3 | how do I run the demo in /usr/palm/ondevicedemo ? it's taking up 21.5MiB, I should at least see it |
| 02:55.27 | destinal | elpollodiablo1: not sure, I still use the older method |
| 02:56.08 | ird | jacques3: might be the thing you get after you activate.. |
| 02:56.16 | ird | Where it shows you the back gesture and the photo app.. |
| 02:56.23 | jacques3 | ird: it looks like a lot more |
| 02:56.31 | elpollodiablo1 | destinal: ok I guess I will find out, if I find anything weird I will let you know |
| 02:56.32 | ird | I dunno. |
| 02:59.31 | destinal | yeah I think it's what they use for store floor models |
| 02:59.44 | destinal | there's a hidden demo app |
| 02:59.53 | destinal | maybe related |
| 03:01.16 | jacques3 | destinal: do you know how I can run the hidden demo? |
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| 03:02.43 | destinal | try editing appinfo json to unhide |
| 03:02.59 | destinal | in palm apps demo something dir |
| 03:03.34 | jacques_pre | ok thanks |
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| 03:07.15 | egaudet | doctoring back to 1.2.1 joy |
| 03:09.44 | jacques3 | do I need to restart luna to get the app to show up? |
| 03:10.24 | jacques3 | I changed /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.odd/appinfo.json:"visible" to true |
| 03:10.26 | jettero | hrm, the optware install pages of the webos-interlas wiki seems to indicate the way I did it last time is depricated... but I don't have an "optware" section in my preware |
| 03:10.41 | jettero | do I need to reinstall preware (again)? |
| 03:11.41 | egaudet | jacques3, you can rescan I think |
| 03:11.41 | egaudet | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} |
| 03:13.29 | destinal | egaudet: that is some dedication there |
| 03:13.50 | jacques3 | egaudet: it took that command, but I don't see anything new. oh well :-) |
| 03:14.34 | egaudet | jacques3, it might still require a luna restart i wasn't sure |
| 03:15.01 | dBsooner | dangit! |
| 03:15.01 | egaudet | destinal, yea all these tiny little aupt bugs make for lots of doctoring |
| 03:15.01 | jacques3 | ok I don't want to lose my wIRC session, so I'll restart later |
| 03:15.19 | luwangui | anyone got a second? |
| 03:15.22 | dBsooner | they did too much to messaging for me to figure out how to fix ONE CHUNK in the sms-tone-per-contact patch |
| 03:15.23 | dBsooner | :( |
| 03:15.26 | egaudet | but there is a launch command you may be able to do |
| 03:15.37 | egaudet | i just don't know what it is off the top of my head |
| 03:15.56 | PreGame | i can't seem to install diffstat and patch |
| 03:16.04 | egaudet | might be able to do something like applicationManager/launch {"appid":<appid>"} |
| 03:16.08 | zsoc | hmmm... i'm not sure this is so good |
| 03:16.08 | PreGame | webos QI says it can't find the packages even after i downloaded them |
| 03:16.28 | egaudet | PreGame, what version of QI and did you try preware |
| 03:17.22 | jacques3 | zsoc: ?? |
| 03:17.41 | PreGame | an older one i guess. is there a new one that is just for 1.3.5? |
| 03:17.42 | egaudet | 2.96 I think |
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| 03:18.41 | PreGame | does updated to 1.3.5 remove diffstat and patch? |
| 03:18.51 | PreGame | i had it installed before on 1.3.2 |
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| 03:20.42 | egaudet | they don't get migrated |
| 03:20.42 | egaudet | but they are still existing in /var/usr/bin/ |
| 03:20.48 | egaudet | you should be able to install them again |
| 03:21.17 | helpme | help me |
| 03:21.32 | PreGame | i think mvapp moved it |
| 03:21.40 | rwhitby | e |
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| 03:21.46 | zsoc | destinal: so what the hell is libpdl again? |
| 03:21.55 | destinal | no clue |
| 03:22.02 | zsoc | ... |
| 03:22.26 | rwhitby | egaudet: rebuild underway - use gtalk for getting my attention quicker |
| 03:22.38 | destinal | just that it links sdl |
| 03:22.50 | egaudet | PreGame, doesn't matter if mvapp moved diffstat/patch they have nothing in app data so they wont be migrated |
| 03:23.09 | PreGame | then i wonder why it said it couldn't be found |
| 03:23.23 | egaudet | because you have to install it again on 1.3.5 |
| 03:23.24 | zsoc | destinal: why isn't it released on opensource.palm.com? |
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| 03:24.04 | egaudet | it won't ever be migrated for /var to media |
| 03:24.04 | egaudet | at least we haven't decided on what to do with those types of packages |
| 03:24.12 | destinal | zsoc: because it's not oss |
| 03:24.23 | destinal | lgpl libs you can link |
| 03:24.42 | destinal | and stay closed |
| 03:24.44 | egaudet | rwhitby, thanks, am in the process of doctoring so wasn't urgent yet :P |
| 03:24.59 | zsoc | .. oh |
| 03:25.48 | zsoc | "luna://com.palm.firewall/portCtrl" |
| 03:26.43 | destinal | zsoc: only if you USE the lib rather than are part of |
| 03:26.43 | zsoc | it has tcp and udp port settings |
| 03:27.00 | rwhitby | zsoc: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Network_Management |
| 03:27.16 | rwhitby | add what you find there please |
| 03:27.41 | rwhitby | I've found enough so far to make webOS aware of openvpn routing and dns changes |
| 03:27.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: .... i'll make sure to get someone to do it :> |
| 03:27.55 | zsoc | this looks like some sort of.. content streaming library tho |
| 03:28.15 | egaudet | oh jacques3 forgot you could try palm-launch from your PC if connected through USB to try and launch the hidden app |
| 03:28.22 | en0x | this thing with pre is so lame |
| 03:28.44 | en0x | when u have it on touchstone and u have alarm set up and it go off u have to unlock the phone and then snooze the alarm |
| 03:28.50 | en0x | it should unlock by itself imho |
| 03:29.04 | oil | i usually pick it up off the touchstone to turn it off |
| 03:29.11 | oil | which unlocks it upon lifting it |
| 03:29.13 | en0x | i;m too lazy |
| 03:29.16 | oil | then tap the button |
| 03:30.47 | zsoc | "NotifyMusicPlaying", "WebOsHookBannerMessagesEnable" |
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| 03:31.17 | en0x | musicplayer remix is borked a little it no loger resumes the song |
| 03:31.29 | en0x | it starts from the begining not from where u left it off |
| 03:31.35 | jacques3 | egaudet: I am connected over usbnet |
| 03:31.58 | zsoc | what is in /proc/nduid ? |
| 03:32.21 | egaudet | palm-launch can launch apps from your pc over novacom |
| 03:32.45 | jacques3 | egaudet: ah so it's a PC app |
| 03:32.53 | egaudet | part of the sdk from palm |
| 03:32.57 | egaudet | just a command line tool |
| 03:33.17 | egaudet | palm-package, palm-install, palm-launch |
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| 03:35.31 | zsoc | What the heck is luna://com.palm.mediaevents/notifyPlayingStatusChange |
| 03:35.47 | getisboy | Has anyone noticed that if you dial a contact's number with the wrong area code, the contact still is listed as the recipient of the call? |
| 03:36.19 | rwhitby | egaudet: done |
| 03:36.45 | jacques3 | egaudet: hmm, it says it's launching it, but nothing happens. it's not a big deal really. :-) |
| 03:36.52 | rwhitby | jacques3: there is a hash code to start the on device demo |
| 03:37.08 | rwhitby | it will wipe your contacts and stuff |
| 03:37.24 | rwhitby | it's basically the demo you see palm people using at trade conferences |
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| 03:38.51 | jacques3 | rwhitby: ah ugh |
| 03:38.59 | jacques3 | lol I'm glad I didn't start it |
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| 03:41.05 | zsoc | Here's a ridiculous question. What's the best way to _close_ Luna? |
| 03:41.16 | destinal1 | stop LunaSysMgr |
| 03:41.18 | egaudet | stop LunaSysMgr |
| 03:41.26 | zsoc | Right. |
| 03:41.27 | jacques3 | heh |
| 03:41.30 | zsoc | like a service |
| 03:41.31 | zsoc | i get it now |
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| 03:46.05 | zsoc | aannnnddd debian image is downloading at 5kbps :< |
| 03:46.20 | acydlord | zsoc, downloading it from 1997? |
| 03:46.59 | zsoc | acydlord: Iowa State University has found a time warp, apparently |
| 03:48.41 | acydlord | zsoc, try xmission mirror |
| 03:48.51 | zsoc | locashuns?!!?! |
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| 03:49.19 | acydlord | http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian-cd/ replace with ftp if you prefer, usually downloads at 200k or better for me |
| 03:49.47 | zsoc | ah nice |
| 03:49.52 | zsoc | you are useful |
| 03:50.30 | acydlord | i'm the human version of an internet spider =x |
| 03:50.38 | geist | archie! |
| 03:50.39 | zsoc | acydlord: er... although i was referring to a _particular_ debian image for chrooting from my pre |
| 03:50.47 | acydlord | ahh |
| 03:51.01 | zsoc | geist: who wrote the new fb driver? :P |
| 03:51.10 | geist | beats me |
| 03:51.18 | geist | i aint talkin bout nothin |
| 03:51.20 | bpadalino | what a jerk of a guy for beating you :( |
| 03:51.49 | acydlord | zsoc whats the file name on the particular version? i can scrape my mirrors to see if its on one |
| 03:51.58 | jacques3 | double negative, now you have to talk about something |
| 03:51.59 | bpadalino | just finishing up watching wargames |
| 03:52.00 | destinal1 | bpadalino: there's someone going around beating geist? |
| 03:52.06 | bpadalino | such a good movie |
| 03:52.17 | bpadalino | destinal1: apparently the guy who wrote the frame buffer stuff beats geist! :( |
| 03:52.49 | zsoc | acydlord: debsmall.img.bz2 |
| 03:53.07 | zsoc | geist: but aren't you the kernel guy? |
| 03:53.24 | destinal1 | zsoc: the store I went to on the way home didn't have SN kellerweis, so I grabbed some Odell Isolation ale. very tasty. |
| 03:53.28 | PreGame | I am trying to install some patches after doing the 1.3.5 update and it says they are already installed, but they are not working |
| 03:53.42 | zsoc | geist: well when you see him, you tell Bennett Chan he's a pretty cool guy. |
| 03:53.51 | zsoc | destinal1: ah yes, the beer. important ;) |
| 03:54.42 | zsoc | acydlord: n/m, after waiting 10 minutes it spiked to 200KB/s |
| 03:54.55 | zsoc | acydlord: n/m again, back down to nothing. i love this school lol |
| 03:55.17 | acydlord | zsoc, i'm pulling it at 270kb |
| 03:55.35 | zsoc | hmmm |
| 03:55.39 | zsoc | maybe they don't like _me_ |
| 03:55.54 | acydlord | I'll dump it to my dropbox when it's done |
| 03:56.33 | PreGame | how do i remove bad ipkg patches? they wont work and i cant install them since updating to 1.3.5 |
| 03:57.35 | zsoc | PreGame: migration helper, let webos move them, uninstall with preware? |
| 03:57.50 | acydlord | ipkg remove packagename --force ? |
| 04:00.54 | navinag_ | egaudet: Can you explain to me what the status file in preware is for? |
| 04:01.39 | navinag_ | egaudet: it appears to me that it tells preware what packages are installed... |
| 04:01.51 | bpadalino | geist, i had novacomd start eating up 98% cpu the other day with 1.3.5 .. not sure how it happened and i couldn't figure out wtf it was doing unfortunately .. :( reboot was the only way to fix it .. unplugging/replugging usb didn't seem to have an effect |
| 04:02.11 | destinal1 | acydlord: downloading it from 1980 is more like it, 97 had pretty fast modems comparatively |
| 04:02.13 | PreGame | zsoc: what is migration helper? |
| 04:02.19 | egaudet | status file in preware? |
| 04:02.22 | PreGame | Where do i access it in preware? |
| 04:02.58 | egaudet | available packages -> linux application |
| 04:03.29 | navinag_ | egaudet: i removed a package today and preware did not see any of my installed packages after that.. After poking around I found the status file and .status_backup... The new one was empty and the backup had all my packages....Seem to me that pkg manager service or the post install script hosed something.. |
| 04:04.14 | egaudet | PreGame, did you leave the patches installed before updating to 1.3.5? |
| 04:04.20 | navinag_ | egaudet: i tehn copied over the backup --> status and all was ok.......is this a known issues with the new preweare/pms combo? I have not tried ininstalling anything else yet... |
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| 04:04.33 | jacques3 | what is /usr/bin/d8 ? |
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| 04:04.59 | egaudet | the <offline_root>/usr/lib/ipkg/status file is a standard ipkg file that ipkg manages i believe |
| 04:05.04 | PreGame | egaudet: yes |
| 04:05.06 | egaudet | i haven't seen it ever get corrupted/erased like that |
| 04:05.37 | egaudet | PreGame, in that case if you did EMH it will then migrate your patch packages but yu can't uninstall them because the files changed from OTA |
| 04:05.45 | PreGame | and i don't see the emh in preware |
| 04:06.03 | egaudet | list of everything type "emer" |
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| 04:06.20 | PreGame | so how do i install them again? |
| 04:06.49 | PreGame | all i see is "limited mergency button |
| 04:06.52 | egaudet | navinag, so what did you do before it got messed up like that? |
| 04:07.14 | egaudet | PreGame, then it seems the webos-internals feed isn't on or not installed correctly |
| 04:07.23 | egaudet | manage feeds and make sure webos-internals feed is on |
| 04:07.39 | egaudet | if it is then you'll have to reinstall package manager service with QI 2.96 or CLI |
| 04:07.48 | PreGame | it is |
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| 04:07.52 | DrFunk | is precorder working ? |
| 04:08.03 | egaudet | afaik |
| 04:08.05 | PreGame | i just installed 2.96 |
| 04:08.24 | PreGame | there now i see it |
| 04:08.25 | PreGame | weird |
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| 04:08.57 | egaudet | by installed do you mean downloaded |
| 04:09.14 | zsoc | You don't generally install java executables |
| 04:09.14 | PreGame | nope, installed |
| 04:09.17 | PreGame | it works now |
| 04:09.24 | zsoc | I suppose you could put them... somewhere |
| 04:09.42 | dBsooner | something has gone haywire with my Pre |
| 04:09.47 | PreGame | i clicked install on webosQI |
| 04:09.49 | DrFunk | egaudet: do you no if precorder is working |
| 04:09.56 | dBsooner | I haven't been able to "reboot" in weeks |
| 04:10.07 | egaudet | PreGame, how did you "install" quick install |
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| 04:10.22 | dBsooner | if I type "reboot" or "shutdown -r now", or even do the "restart phone" from rest options, it just freezes during shutdown animation. |
| 04:10.46 | egaudet | DrFunk, as far as i know |
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| 04:10.51 | zsoc | dBsooner: there is a new 'shutdown' element in the kernel. probably has nothing to do with your issue tho. |
| 04:10.58 | DrFunk | dBsooner: take the battery out |
| 04:11.06 | dBsooner | DrFunk: that's what I have been doing |
| 04:11.09 | dBsooner | but its annoying |
| 04:11.11 | rick_home | has anyone tested the webkit css transform pages to see if they work better? |
| 04:11.25 | dBsooner | I wonder if its wircd or mytetherd |
| 04:11.26 | dBsooner | hmm |
| 04:11.43 | DrFunk | well its not wircd |
| 04:11.53 | DrFunk | could be the other |
| 04:12.28 | navinag_ | egaudet: i installed the cpu scaling patch...wasnt working to well for me...I uninstalled it and then the status file was cleared |
| 04:12.29 | jacques3 | dBsooner: someone else was complaining of something like that and they had also installed mytether |
| 04:12.49 | dBsooner | i meant freetetherd.. sorry |
| 04:12.52 | navinag_ | egaudet: rebooted between then of course |
| 04:13.35 | egaudet | interesting, no errors and everything went smooth installing/uninstalling as far you could tell? |
| 04:14.07 | DrFunk | zsoc: precorder working ? |
| 04:14.57 | zsoc | DrFunk: it never really 'worked' per se |
| 04:15.31 | navinag_ | DrFunk: I have .35 working....The first video everytime consistenly does not record for me...but other than that..works |
| 04:15.33 | acydlord | zsoc, hows that download going? |
| 04:16.01 | zsoc | acydlord: up and down, 50% done |
| 04:16.13 | DrFunk | zsoc: was working fine for me now I get a error can't play file was there a new update ? |
| 04:21.25 | DrFunk | am I still here |
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| 04:25.51 | rwhitby | DrFunk: I fixed Precorder last night. |
| 04:26.13 | rwhitby | dBsooner: the best way to reboot a Pre is "tellbootie" |
| 04:26.17 | DrFunk | so new update than ? |
| 04:26.38 | rwhitby | DrFunk: 0.3.5 |
| 04:26.50 | rwhitby | DrFunk: you're not folllowing @webosinternals on twitter? |
| 04:27.20 | DrFunk | I don't have a twitter app |
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| 04:27.29 | DrFunk | won't install |
| 04:27.32 | rwhitby | use an RSS feed then |
| 04:27.36 | PreGame- | i ran EMH and when i try to remove the old patches it just spins and says "Removing" |
| 04:27.42 | rwhitby | or a twitter to email gateway |
| 04:27.58 | DrFunk | rwhitby: what app do you use |
| 04:28.00 | rwhitby | EMH doesn't remove patches. do you mean EPR? |
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| 04:28.15 | rwhitby | DrFunk: Adium on Mac, or Tweed or Twee or Spaz on Pre |
| 04:28.35 | PreGame- | no i ran EMH and went in to each of the installed to remove them |
| 04:29.07 | rwhitby | PreGame-: dunno then, sorry. |
| 04:29.11 | DrFunk | ok rwhitby what would you suggest I try on the pre |
| 04:29.23 | rwhitby | DrFunk: Spaz, cause it's open source. |
| 04:29.50 | DrFunk | going to look now |
| 04:29.54 | PreGame- | ill try epr |
| 04:30.00 | rwhitby | (even though I'm personally not a fan of the dark theme) |
| 04:30.03 | DrFunk | btw thanks brb |
| 04:30.30 | DrFunk | preware ? |
| 04:30.54 | rwhitby | spaz is in app catalog |
| 04:31.20 | zsoc | rwhitby: does optware have the equivalent of 'build-essential'? |
| 04:31.30 | egaudet | you should always remove patches prior to updating |
| 04:31.35 | destinal1 | zsoc: so you meant |
| 04:31.37 | dBsooner | rwhitby: pushed Makefiles to build |
| 04:31.39 | destinal1 | + if (0 && vfb->scale == 1.0f && !vfb->rotated) { |
| 04:31.39 | destinal1 | + /* We can give the app direct access to the screen */ |
| 04:31.43 | dBsooner | updated 5 patches for 1.3.5 |
| 04:31.53 | zsoc | destinal: yes, particular that comment line. |
| 04:31.54 | egaudet | EPR to remove all the patch packages |
| 04:32.12 | zsoc | destinal: that's pretty epic |
| 04:32.46 | zsoc | direct hardware accelerated fullscreen core kernel driven surface |
| 04:32.53 | dBsooner | egaudet: whats patch_control_dir? |
| 04:33.08 | dBsooner | . /var/lib/ipkg/.webosinternals.org? |
| 04:33.25 | egaudet | /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches |
| 04:33.29 | zsoc | hmm... i wonder if i can just port the gp32x sdl stuff.. that's a pretty similar environment |
| 04:33.32 | egaudet | I was thinking about moving it to /media/internal/ |
| 04:33.36 | egaudet | but now I'm thinking about leaving it in /var |
| 04:33.50 | dBsooner | i am asking where it is right now? |
| 04:34.04 | egaudet | I just told you ^^ |
| 04:34.20 | destinal1 | zsoc: woah, did you check out the ascii art for the haptic waveforms? |
| 04:34.31 | zsoc | destinal: yeah that was pretty genius no? lol |
| 04:34.43 | dBsooner | so what I put is where it is right now? |
| 04:34.45 | zsoc | "A comment is not enough, here's 100 lines of ascii so you can get it" |
| 04:35.24 | egaudet | think I want to make an app/service to download the doctor, do the extracting on the pre and repair files all OTA |
| 04:35.54 | egaudet | dBsooner, did you miss my comment? |
| 04:35.58 | egaudet | <egaudet> /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches |
| 04:36.09 | dBsooner | bioe |
| 04:36.11 | dBsooner | yep |
| 04:36.12 | dBsooner | k |
| 04:36.21 | PreGame- | doing the EPR just shows the spinner saying downloading/installing |
| 04:37.12 | zsoc | destinal: also, it appears the computer is on the user's head, and the user is a creepy stalker |
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| 04:39.38 | rwhitby | egaudet: will EPR work post-migration? |
| 04:39.44 | zsoc | destinal: check outlines 1903 and 1904 |
| 04:39.55 | zsoc | destinal: 5 finger games? :D |
| 04:40.26 | rwhitby | zsoc, destinal: what are you guys looking at? |
| 04:40.28 | egaudet | rwhitby, it should |
| 04:40.42 | rwhitby | egaudet: so anyone having patch problems should just run EPR? |
| 04:40.46 | egaudet | EPR will remove packages from both /var and /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 04:40.52 | egaudet | yea |
| 04:40.55 | egaudet | always |
| 04:40.58 | zsoc | rwhitby: don't you read backlogs? |
| 04:41.02 | egaudet | (and maybe forever) |
| 04:41.06 | PreGame- | EPR doesn't work |
| 04:41.06 | rwhitby | egaudet: the released EPR or the alpha? |
| 04:41.11 | egaudet | released |
| 04:41.13 | PreGame- | it just says "Downloading/installing" non stop |
| 04:41.35 | dBsooner | rwhitby: as soon as I removed all services (freetetherd, gstreamer, wircd) phone reboots fine now |
| 04:41.36 | egaudet | I'll always try to keep EPR to work for it's designated purpose, which is emergency removal of stuck or weird-state patching |
| 04:42.09 | zsoc | rwhitby: first comment was from the new kernel patch 'diff' in 135, new framebuffer driver to replace all directfb functionality with some native actions, and current stuff is pointed at the new sdl library 'patch' from opensource.palm.com in 135 that includes the patches palm wrote to port sdl to webos |
| 04:42.24 | egaudet | PreGame-, be patient with EPR |
| 04:42.29 | egaudet | it may take a while if you have many patches installed |
| 04:42.31 | zsoc | Hm, I no longer make sense when I type things. Weird. sory. |
| 04:42.47 | egaudet | EPR doesn't really install, it just does all it's work in the post-install script |
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| 04:43.20 | dBsooner | ok.. time to tweet.. |
| 04:43.21 | zsoc | egaudet: EPR should have a flag that makes the 'install' button turn into a 'run utility' button |
| 04:45.08 | rwhitby | PreGame-: are you in contact with Jason about the flashlight? Apparently he's updating it for 1.3.5, but I thought you were going to put the code up into the git repo and rename the service? |
| 04:45.29 | rwhitby | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/218030-wheres-myflashlight-new-post.html |
| 04:46.24 | egaudet | OTA updating to 1.3.5 with 101 aupt patches installed... let's hope this is the last time |
| 04:47.00 | zsoc | egaudet: gl bro |
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| 04:47.47 | PreGame- | I am but i am out of town until next week |
| 04:47.57 | oil | thought rwhitby was going to make a c service just for the led |
| 04:48.27 | rwhitby | oil: yeah, i was, but then 1.3.5 arrived. |
| 04:48.32 | oil | lol |
| 04:48.33 | zsoc | i think puff sorta made a part of one |
| 04:49.23 | rwhitby | I just hope Jason doesn't release yet another version with the same service name, thereby making it even harder to weed out the extremely old version with the open command line method. |
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| 04:50.49 | zsoc | rwhitby: did you get a second to field my 'build-essential' question? |
| 04:51.02 | jacques3 | I don't understand. this flashlight app just turns on the screen all white ? |
| 04:51.11 | PreGame- | so is the flashlight not working at all for 3.5? |
| 04:51.18 | PreGame- | no |
| 04:51.22 | PreGame- | it uses the camera flash |
| 04:51.39 | rwhitby | zsoc: do you mean for compiling on the pre, or do you mean what do you need on a Ubuntu box to compile optware? |
| 04:51.57 | PreGame- | egaudet: the EPR doesn't install |
| 04:51.59 | zsoc | rwhitby: sorry, yes I mean for compiling on the pre |
| 04:52.03 | PreGame- | it just says "Downloading / Installing |
| 04:52.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: I doubt you'll have enough space in /var for the toolchain |
| 04:52.58 | zsoc | scratches his head |
| 04:53.14 | zsoc | rwhitby: its in a debian chroot |
| 04:53.18 | zsoc | on /media/internal |
| 04:53.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: then just apt-get build-essential in the debian chroot |
| 04:53.44 | egaudet | PreGame-, how many patches did you have installed? |
| 04:53.54 | zsoc | I need to compile against the native sdl library, and since I don't have anything else that runs in arm available to me, and I don't know how qemu works... |
| 04:53.59 | egaudet | did you not get a prompt for running script for EPR? |
| 04:54.04 | PreGame- | maybe like 5 or 6 |
| 04:54.10 | egaudet | ok/no/cancel confirmation prompt? |
| 04:54.14 | zsoc | rwhitby: Oh, thank you. I actually didn't realize it was called that, i was using that as a reference point :p sorry, thanks. |
| 04:54.27 | PreGame- | nope |
| 04:54.34 | egaudet | what version of ipkgservice? |
| 04:54.49 | PreGame- | 9.27 but it shows there is an update to the 9.27 version |
| 04:55.17 | rwhitby | zsoc: sdl is in optware |
| 04:55.22 | egaudet | you should be getting the confirmation prompt, don't know why you didn't |
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| 04:55.59 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes, but not palm's custom binary compiled opengl_es-included sdl library |
| 04:56.09 | zsoc | rwhitby: and i can't rebuilt it because i'm missing about 35 headers :P |
| 04:56.27 | PreGame- | it shows it is installed but never prompted me to approve it nor finished the downloading spinner |
| 04:56.46 | destinal1 | zsoc: we also won't be able to use some enhanced functionality potentially since we'll be missing headers |
| 04:56.53 | rwhitby | zsoc: you could put that binary in the optware staging area and cross compile against it .. |
| 04:57.08 | zsoc | ponders |
| 04:57.32 | jacques3 | shouldn't the headers be in the patches? |
| 04:57.36 | rwhitby | make a dummy optware package which just copies the files from the Pre into the staging area |
| 04:57.54 | rwhitby | jacques3: do you know how to do OE with an external toolchain? |
| 04:57.54 | zsoc | rwhitby: that seems like a good idea, but for now I'd like to see if I can get a 'hello world' type sdl application to run. I'm actually curious how it will interact with Luna running and everything |
| 04:58.07 | zsoc | jacques3: it's LGPL, so palm isn't fond of releasing headers with their patches |
| 04:58.16 | jacques3 | rwhitby: no, I've never done that. :-\ |
| 04:58.33 | dBsooner | rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/221850-patch-list-official-webos-1-3-5-patch-compatibility-list.html |
| 04:58.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: yeah, I always think in terms of doing things in publicly repeatable ways .. |
| 04:59.02 | zsoc | rwhitby: this might not work at all tho without a mojo hook, it'll only take a moment to test |
| 04:59.02 | jacques3 | zsoc: oh I misunderstood - which headers are we missing? |
| 04:59.07 | zsoc | otherwise, i agree with you |
| 04:59.28 | zsoc | jacques3: what's necessary to recompile palm's derivative/port of sdl |
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| 05:00.16 | dBsooner | rwhitby: if you're good with that post, I am going to tweet the link to it... (so you can retweet) |
| 05:00.36 | destinal1 | zsoc: I don't think it's specifically because it's LGPL, they just leave out headers a lot. |
| 05:01.07 | zsoc | destinal: well with GPL stuff they comply with my requests pretty quickly |
| 05:01.10 | destinal1 | it took a long time to get cjson / mjson included in opensource.palm.com and to get the other headers from them we needed for libpurple-adapter |
| 05:01.19 | rwhitby | dBsooner: already done |
| 05:01.24 | dBsooner | NO |
| 05:01.32 | dBsooner | you were supposed to let ME tweet it |
| 05:01.33 | dBsooner | :( |
| 05:01.38 | zsoc | fail |
| 05:01.43 | oil | dbsooner: twitter whore |
| 05:01.45 | dBsooner | is the one who spent all the time on it |
| 05:01.58 | rwhitby | dBsooner: I put via @dBsooner in it |
| 05:01.59 | zsoc | take one for the team |
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| 05:02.25 | rwhitby | dBsooner: tweet about how much effort you spent on it, with your donation link, and I'll retweet that ;-) |
| 05:02.27 | Robi_ | nice |
| 05:02.28 | oil | s/twitter/credit/ |
| 05:02.29 | zsoc | aaannnnddd my pre is stuck in usb mode, wtf |
| 05:02.45 | oil | lol |
| 05:02.49 | dBsooner | nah |
| 05:03.04 | dBsooner | i just want more followers on twitter |
| 05:03.12 | oil | ;p; |
| 05:03.20 | oil | lol* |
| 05:03.23 | Robi_ | dBsooner: it's more influential if you're RTd |
| 05:03.38 | gkatsev | unfollows dBsooner on twitter |
| 05:03.49 | dBsooner | Robi_: why do you think I wanted to tweet and have rwhitby retweeet? |
| 05:03.53 | rwhitby | doesn't yet fully comprehend the social norms of twitter |
| 05:04.21 | gkatsev | dBsooner: retweet a retweet? thats rediculous. |
| 05:04.23 | jacques3 | nor do I |
| 05:04.30 | oil | creates twitter account so he can follow and then unfollow dbsooner |
| 05:04.39 | oil | :D |
| 05:04.54 | zsoc | xD |
| 05:06.07 | Robi_ | you can still do it |
| 05:06.20 | Robi_ | i hopped on ;] |
| 05:06.42 | zsoc | 1mbs evdo is pretty nice |
| 05:07.05 | Robi_ | dBsooner: you on the road? |
| 05:07.20 | zsoc | gkatsev: in that sentence, was rediculous a typo, or was it purposed humorful alliteration? |
| 05:07.36 | dBsooner | im in El Paso |
| 05:07.49 | jacques3 | dBsooner: sorry to hear that |
| 05:07.50 | dBsooner | got a football game to go to |
| 05:07.52 | dBsooner | :) |
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| 05:08.03 | Robi_ | what are you doing here? |
| 05:08.09 | Robi_ | junkie ;] |
| 05:08.12 | gkatsev | zsoc: lol, lets go with the latter. :) |
| 05:08.35 | jacques3 | dBsooner: you are in the same state as me, and you're about 800 miles away |
| 05:08.40 | zsoc | gkatsev: well, i was amused either way ;) |
| 05:09.06 | Robi_ | hmm i dont see the new precorder |
| 05:09.20 | DrFunk | jacques3: has to be texas lol |
| 05:09.34 | dBsooner | there.. PLEASE retweet it rwhitby.. PLEASE |
| 05:09.35 | rwhitby | Robi_: where are you looking? |
| 05:09.42 | dBsooner | (you can delete your previous tweet).. |
| 05:09.43 | oil | lol |
| 05:09.54 | Robi_ | preware |
| 05:10.07 | DrFunk | rwhitby: install didn't work for me |
| 05:10.07 | Robi_ | dBsooner: tisk tisk, ppl cant retweet that, it's too long dude, gotta leave room |
| 05:10.14 | jacques3 | DrFunk: yep |
| 05:10.16 | oil | lol |
| 05:10.17 | dBsooner | k |
| 05:10.18 | dBsooner | let me fix |
| 05:10.36 | DrFunk | Robi_: its there just click more |
| 05:10.39 | rwhitby | dBsooner: done |
| 05:10.45 | DrFunk | on twitter |
| 05:11.02 | Robi_ | ugh i gotta remove that patch that opens the camera in landscape slider open, does it too many times unintentionally |
| 05:11.33 | jjcarter | dBsooner: I just read your latest thread about the patches but felt I might as well ask it here, anyone else getting an error installing the "No Date" patch? |
| 05:11.40 | zsoc | webos debian chroot is frighteningly fast for an embedded device |
| 05:11.51 | DrFunk | rwhitby: I keep getting gstservice not running |
| 05:12.05 | rwhitby | DrFunk: are you running 0.3.5? |
| 05:12.07 | Robi_ | and now the hide nascar ap is downliading/replacing forever |
| 05:12.21 | dBsooner | there |
| 05:12.28 | DrFunk | yes |
| 05:12.31 | dBsooner | how's that tweet Robi_? |
| 05:12.40 | Robi_ | zsoc: did you look at your laundry hamper full of soiled underwear ? |
| 05:12.49 | dBsooner | jjcarter: i get no errors installing any patches |
| 05:12.56 | Robi_ | dBsooner: good, 1 char left on RT ;] |
| 05:12.57 | dBsooner | jjcarter: I just stated taht over and over in the thread |
| 05:12.57 | zsoc | Robi_: ? |
| 05:13.18 | jjcarter | dBsooner, I'm aware of that, that's why I mentioned it |
| 05:13.20 | Robi_ | zsoc: "frighteningly fast" |
| 05:13.23 | dBsooner | well if rwhitby wouldn't make the bit.ly links so dang long |
| 05:13.28 | zsoc | Robi_: is that a german thing? |
| 05:13.45 | Robi_ | no |
| 05:13.56 | Robi_ | you calling me german? |
| 05:14.22 | zsoc | Robi_: sorry... dutch? |
| 05:14.50 | Robi_ | if I have to explain it... nm |
| 05:15.09 | zsoc | ok then |
| 05:15.21 | Robi_ | anyone else get that? |
| 05:15.56 | rwhitby | didn't |
| 05:16.23 | Robi_ | so frightening, load up your underwear |
| 05:16.59 | zsoc | Robi_: holland? |
| 05:17.23 | dBsooner | im off to bed |
| 05:17.26 | Robi_ | poop your pants |
| 05:17.33 | DrFunk | cya dBsooner |
| 05:17.35 | dBsooner | i got a Sun Bowl to go to tomorrow |
| 05:17.41 | dBsooner | I got the patches working I said I would. |
| 05:17.51 | zsoc | dBsooner: good job |
| 05:17.56 | DrFunk | not mine |
| 05:18.05 | dBsooner | Not my problem. ;) |
| 05:18.11 | Robi_ | rwhitby: preware dind't know i had precorder installed |
| 05:18.23 | Robi_ | prolly didn't migrate |
| 05:18.43 | DrFunk | lol @ dBsooner |
| 05:18.53 | dBsooner | nite ya'll.. Boomer Sooner! |
| 05:18.58 | rwhitby | Robi_: yeah, it wouldn't have migrated |
| 05:19.33 | dBsooner | rwhitby: i posted a link directly to the raw-blob of the xls spreadsheet in git.webos-internals.org |
| 05:19.37 | dBsooner | I couldn't think of a better way.. |
| 05:20.00 | dBsooner | i figure not too many people have commit access to be able to overwrite it |
| 05:20.04 | rwhitby | dBsooner: that's the best way |
| 05:20.19 | rwhitby | even if they do, it's an SCM |
| 05:20.24 | dBsooner | true |
| 05:20.36 | dBsooner | loves git checkout |
| 05:20.44 | dBsooner | or git reset |
| 05:20.58 | dBsooner | ho well.. ou plays in 14 hours.. must sleep |
| 05:21.03 | dBsooner | gotta get up early and tailgate |
| 05:21.08 | dBsooner | night! |
| 05:21.09 | jjcarter | can anybody confirm that the "No Date" and "Brightness in Device Menu" patches conflict and can't both be installed? |
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| 05:22.32 | Robi_ | i have brightness but added date |
| 05:23.09 | jjcarter | hmm... I had brightness installed, but got an error installing the no date |
| 05:23.21 | Robi_ | really dislike the beep on patch install nitofication |
| 05:23.23 | jjcarter | but after removing brightness, no date installed w/ non problem |
| 05:23.35 | Robi_ | try again w/ brightness |
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| 05:24.18 | Decimate | Don't you guys all love this time where a new update has just come out, and we get to hear all the complaints of what isn't on it! :) |
| 05:24.26 | PreGame- | egaudet: i get a wget ipkg.preware.org bad response trying to dl EPR |
| 05:24.31 | Abyssul | decimate: Pretty much how the game goes |
| 05:24.41 | Decimate | no video, no gpu, not speedy enough, battery life isn't good enough, BOOO HOOOO |
| 05:25.03 | PreGame- | ok i got it |
| 05:25.04 | zsoc | jjcarter: egaudet was looking for a case where a set of patches only work when installed in a certain order |
| 05:25.06 | jjcarter | Robi_, same error. Failure during post-install script |
| 05:25.07 | PreGame- | my wifi was messed up |
| 05:25.23 | Abyssul | I'm just glad that WebOS is progressing. I'd like these people to try and go back to the 1.0 days... |
| 05:25.40 | jjcarter | zsoc, well I thought I found one but Robi_ isn't having the same issue |
| 05:25.44 | egaudet | PreGame-, does it work now? |
| 05:25.48 | zsoc | I'm trying to figure out how they fit the update into 13mb |
| 05:25.50 | PreGame- | yep :) |
| 05:25.56 | egaudet | nice |
| 05:26.03 | PreGame- | i completely removed preware and package manager and reinstalled them |
| 05:26.19 | PreGame- | the phone is rebooting now |
| 05:26.25 | Decimate | zsoc: app catalog is all mostly over the air... |
| 05:26.29 | Decimate | well |
| 05:26.30 | dBsooner | htt |
| 05:26.31 | Decimate | not in the update |
| 05:26.32 | dBsooner | grrr( |
| 05:26.37 | Decimate | in the cloud is what i mean! :) |
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| 05:26.39 | dBsooner | Damn Elryon makin me stay up late |
| 05:26.49 | dBsooner | he JUST submitted a fix for SMS Tone Per Contact |
| 05:26.57 | dBsooner | I MUST get that in the feed before bed |
| 05:27.17 | zsoc | Decimate: i was referring to the kernel update and the sdl/egl/opengles library |
| 05:28.15 | PreGame- | dBsooner: what did you change in your version of the show download count and the one i did? |
| 05:28.43 | dBsooner | PreGame: Files and line #'s |
| 05:28.49 | dBsooner | otherwise it's your concept |
| 05:29.00 | dBsooner | i only add my name because I touched it and made it apply clean |
| 05:29.01 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v PreGame] by ChanServ |
| 05:29.08 | Robi_ | jjcarter: normally the date is not present right? only the time, so whats the no date patch? |
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| 05:29.33 | jjcarter | Robi_, it should take the date out of the device menu |
| 05:29.47 | jjcarter | not the top bar |
| 05:30.14 | Robi_ | k let me find it and install it |
| 05:30.19 | Abyssul | dbSooner, get that in! I need that patch |
| 05:31.36 | zsoc | sometimes i wish i knew how linux worked |
| 05:31.39 | zsoc | at all |
| 05:32.06 | Robi_ | just read ;] |
| 05:32.18 | Robi_ | jjcarter: I get the same error |
| 05:32.22 | zsoc | let me rephrase that |
| 05:32.25 | Robi_ | dBsooner: another to fix |
| 05:32.35 | dBsooner | nope |
| 05:32.36 | zsoc | sometimes i wish i knew how gcc and ldd worked |
| 05:32.42 | dBsooner | I don't make patches compatible with each other |
| 05:32.50 | dBsooner | that's for the maintainers |
| 05:32.51 | Robi_ | jjcarter: brightness patch must modify something nodate cehcks for before applying. |
| 05:33.06 | jjcarter | Robi_, that's what I was thinking |
| 05:33.07 | dBsooner | You have a problem with one not being compat with another, contact the maintainer. |
| 05:33.13 | Robi_ | jjcarter: then there you go, email zhzyg |
| 05:33.39 | Robi_ | emailtodonald@gmail |
| 05:33.46 | jjcarter | Robi_, thanks for confirming, I just didn't want to email him and it be user error |
| 05:34.48 | Robi_ | np I just sent him a note as well |
| 05:36.51 | jjcarter | great, thanks |
| 05:39.02 | Abyssul | dBsooner, does the new SMS contact patch work? |
| 05:39.29 | Robi_ | http://smsmyfile.com/8gx for a Sonar.m4a ring tone from the ipod touch |
| 05:39.44 | dBsooner | Abyssul: he claims it does |
| 05:39.47 | dBsooner | it applies |
| 05:39.56 | dBsooner | it's been pushed |
| 05:40.02 | dBsooner | should build during next autobuild run |
| 05:41.10 | rwhitby | which is now ;-) |
| 05:42.35 | dBsooner | loves my autobuilder |
| 05:42.49 | dBsooner | it goes like "rwhitby, doit! (please)" |
| 05:43.01 | dBsooner | rwhitby: built? |
| 05:43.27 | Abyssul | I keep getting a "network is unreachable connect" error from WebOSQI. |
| 05:43.28 | Abyssul | hmmm |
| 05:43.49 | egaudet | update all 101 patches might rival the time an OTA install takes :P |
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| 05:44.08 | dBsooner | Good News! |
| 05:44.10 | Robi_ | auop |
| 05:44.19 | dBsooner | There is a WOSQI bash/Preware praise in my thread.. lol |
| 05:44.30 | Abyssul | link |
| 05:44.38 | dBsooner | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/221850-patch-list-official-webos-1-3-5-patch-compatibility-list.html#post2118212 |
| 05:44.56 | Robi_ | ya also nano lighty openssh ... |
| 05:45.42 | dBsooner | likes seeing OPENVPN in the repo.. |
| 05:45.46 | dBsooner | who's leadin that project? |
| 05:46.51 | zsoc | anyone familiar with ldd? |
| 05:47.03 | Robi_ | a bit |
| 05:47.17 | Abyssul | Whatever happened to that WebOS Backup Utility? |
| 05:47.28 | Robi_ | zsoc: mainly path related issues |
| 05:49.04 | egaudet | it takes like 3 hours for ONE test run of aupt/update all. There's gotta be a better way |
| 05:49.56 | zsoc | Robi_: "gcc -o test1 test.cpp -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread" |
| 05:50.00 | Robi_ | egaudet: can OTA be simulated? |
| 05:50.44 | DrFunk | well I'm off happy new year all |
| 05:50.45 | Robi_ | zsoc: what is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to? |
| 05:50.56 | zsoc | Robi_: "error: SDL.h: No such file or directory", SDL.h is compiled in libSDL.so, which is in /usr/lib/ |
| 05:51.49 | zsoc | Robi_: er, it doesn't seem set to anything |
| 05:52.41 | Robi_ | does -lSDL really work? ;] |
| 05:52.42 | egaudet | I think I"m just going to grab a /usr from 1.3.1 doctor and 1.3.5 doctor and throw them on my pre, and switch between them to mimic OTA |
| 05:53.12 | Robi_ | zsoc: ya might not need be set since it's not the program running looking for it, you're compiling |
| 05:53.23 | egaudet | only thing that won't keep my created files so it's nto complete test |
| 05:53.33 | zsoc | Robi_: this is what everyone on the planet who uses sdl uses, so i'm not sure what parts of that command actually refer to... for instance the library i'm using is in /usr/lib but there are references to /usr/include/SDL |
| 05:53.35 | Robi_ | egaudet: :P |
| 05:54.02 | Robi_ | zsoc: then you must symlink to be sure |
| 05:54.05 | rwhitby | dBsooner: you going to tweet 160 out of 160? |
| 05:54.26 | zsoc | Robi_: the whole folder? like /usr/lib to /usr/include ? |
| 05:54.41 | Robi_ | rwhitby: gotta leave 12-15 for RT |
| 05:54.44 | rwhitby | dBsooner: I ported openvpn |
| 05:54.48 | dBsooner | yep |
| 05:54.49 | dBsooner | tweeted |
| 05:55.04 | Robi_ | bah comcast dropped me |
| 05:55.15 | Robi_ | rwhitby: nm, out of context ;] |
| 05:55.19 | dBsooner | http://twitter.com/dBsooner |
| 05:55.44 | dBsooner | now I am off to bed |
| 05:56.10 | Robi_ | 'nite dBsooner |
| 05:56.33 | dBsooner | thanks rod.. |
| 05:57.11 | zsoc | symlink doesn't seem to work either |
| 05:58.33 | Robi_ | you go from /usr/lib to /usr/include/..? |
| 05:58.50 | Robi_ | woop its wooting time, http://woot.com |
| 05:59.23 | zsoc | Robi_: ln -s /usr/lib /usr/include |
| 05:59.27 | zsoc | unless i'm missing a / or something |
| 05:59.43 | Robi_ | nono |
| 05:59.53 | Robi_ | only symlink specifics |
| 05:59.54 | egaudet | wtf is a woot |
| 06:00.07 | Robi_ | http://wooters.us |
| 06:00.15 | zsoc | oh i see what i did |
| 06:00.26 | zsoc | i just linked /usr/lib to /usr/include/lib lol |
| 06:00.31 | Robi_ | a woot is a new daily sale item |
| 06:00.44 | Robi_ | o o someone is choking a puppy, hhaha |
| 06:00.54 | Robi_ | zsoc: ya no good :P |
| 06:01.03 | Robi_ | only link SDL stuff for example |
| 06:01.04 | zsoc | Robi_: well now i ln -s /usr/lib/libSDL.so /usr/include/libSDL.so |
| 06:01.07 | zsoc | Robi_: that's right? |
| 06:01.13 | Robi_ | yees |
| 06:01.30 | Robi_ | unless the dst src is swapped |
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| 06:01.51 | Robi_ | i always look it up |
| 06:02.20 | Robi_ | 23. Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor with HDMI |
| 06:02.20 | Robi_ | $139.99 |
| 06:02.21 | jauderho_ | can someone paste their .git/config for the webos-1.3.5 branch? |
| 06:02.21 | Robi_ | + $5 shipping |
| 06:02.27 | Robi_ | looks like an HP monitor |
| 06:02.33 | acydlord | i need to start remembering to run EPR before updating the phone |
| 06:02.33 | Robi_ | good price |
| 06:02.48 | egaudet | jauderho, gitorious modifications? |
| 06:03.32 | gkatsev | Robi_: that looks great. but i have a 24"... meh... i guess my second monitor could be slightly smaller... |
| 06:03.36 | jauderho_ | egaudet: I messed up my repo and accidentally deleted the dir |
| 06:03.45 | egaudet | the .git dir? |
| 06:03.52 | Zorin | Robi_: Probably TN garbage... but at that price even I might overlook that :) |
| 06:04.01 | jauderho_ | trying to recreate my .git/config to be able to push to the webos-1.3.5 branch |
| 06:04.11 | zsoc | sighs |
| 06:04.14 | zsoc | why can't i get this |
| 06:04.26 | freakout | because you don't deserve it, zsoc |
| 06:04.38 | zsoc | freakout: i am literally going to say mean things to you |
| 06:04.52 | freakout | heh |
| 06:05.08 | egaudet | jauderho, git checkout -b webos-1.3.5 origin/webos-1.3.5 |
| 06:05.09 | freakout | I am in for the most BORING New Year's Eve ever |
| 06:05.18 | zsoc | freakout: spend it here |
| 06:05.25 | zsoc | maybe palm's libs are bogus... |
| 06:05.26 | freakout | like I said :p |
| 06:05.29 | acydlord | i spent last newyears in irc |
| 06:05.30 | egaudet | that will create the branch locally and set it up to track from the repo's branch (which puts it in .git/config for ya) |
| 06:06.50 | jauderho_ | oops |
| 06:06.57 | jauderho_ | I must have done something wrong |
| 06:07.56 | jauderho_ | does this look right? |
| 06:07.57 | jauderho_ | [branch "webos-1.3.5"] |
| 06:07.57 | jauderho_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.57 | jauderho_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:09.56 | Robi_ | wow |
| 06:10.05 | Robi_ | i just lost minutes |
| 06:10.07 | egaudet | yea well mine has merge = refs/heads/webos-1.3.5 |
| 06:10.22 | egaudet | but yea that looks right |
| 06:10.33 | Robi_ | gkatsev: i dont like the aspect ratio of the 23" too squished |
| 06:10.42 | Robi_ | I also have a pair of 24"s |
| 06:11.27 | Robi_ | zsoc: lets not assume that SDL.h is compiled in the .so |
| 06:11.29 | gkatsev | Robi_: i bought it... >.< |
| 06:11.41 | Robi_ | gkatsev: easy fork on craigslist ;] |
| 06:11.50 | Robi_ | $40 |
| 06:12.02 | zsoc | Robi_: er.. why in the world wouldn't it be. it's the only header the library really had, at least the only 100% necessary one |
| 06:12.22 | Robi_ | zsoc: i dunno, because it can't find it? |
| 06:12.38 | Robi_ | shiet, make one |
| 06:12.40 | zsoc | hmm |
| 06:12.43 | Robi_ | touch SDL.h ;] |
| 06:13.15 | zsoc | well crap on me |
| 06:13.18 | Robi_ | perhaps there's some header package you still need that has the .h alone |
| 06:13.19 | zsoc | freakout: crap on me |
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| 06:13.37 | zsoc | no, palm just compiled a bogus version you can't compile against |
| 06:13.44 | zsoc | scratches his head |
| 06:13.45 | freakout | wonders if he wandered into a scheizer channel by accident... |
| 06:13.58 | jauderho_ | egaudet: thanks |
| 06:14.00 | Robi_ | see |
| 06:14.11 | Robi_ | freakout: yep, time to go |
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| 06:17.17 | Robi_ | zsoc: all set now? |
| 06:17.55 | zsoc | Robi_: all set is a funny way of putting it. i'm going to grab a "standard" set of the same version libs and hope this compiles ok, otherwise i'm going to complain up and down to palm till they release the headers |
| 06:18.09 | Robi_ | they're oss ;] |
| 06:18.20 | zsoc | heh |
| 06:18.22 | Robi_ | just plop a .h in there and make it work |
| 06:18.34 | Robi_ | or include it in your src |
| 06:18.37 | Robi_ | dont mod system |
| 06:18.59 | Robi_ | anyhow i think it's time for an xbox break |
| 06:19.07 | zsoc | Robi_: no no, i mean it's actually missing |
| 06:19.09 | zsoc | not just in name |
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| 06:19.18 | Robi_ | i know |
| 06:19.36 | zsoc | oh i see. ok then. |
| 06:19.37 | Robi_ | it's an embedded os, it will have things stripped out |
| 06:19.41 | zsoc | right |
| 06:20.06 | Robi_ | out |
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| 06:21.05 | gschrein | hi |
| 06:21.15 | zsoc | ih |
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| 06:22.23 | seigex | hmm |
| 06:22.32 | seigex | guess ctrl-l doesn't refresh the screen in ircII anymore |
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| 06:27.43 | egaudet | rwhitby, can i get EPR 2.0.0 cleaned and re-built to test feed |
| 06:31.17 | zsoc | HOLY |
| 06:31.18 | zsoc | MOTHER |
| 06:31.22 | zsoc | OF |
| 06:31.28 | zsoc | EVERYTHING GOOD AND WONDERFUL |
| 06:31.42 | zsoc | TINY MONKEYS CLIMBING GIANT BANANAS |
| 06:31.50 | zsoc | SDL APPS WORK OVER LUNA |
| 06:32.03 | zsoc | who wants to test this binary for me? |
| 06:32.21 | zsoc | holy crap this is amazing |
| 06:32.49 | oil | lol |
| 06:32.50 | rick_home | sdl apps work over luna? |
| 06:32.54 | rick_home | really? |
| 06:32.59 | rick_home | that's so freaking cool!!!! |
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| 06:34.56 | oil | its in a card? |
| 06:35.08 | zsoc | oil: no, just sits on top of luna |
| 06:35.12 | zsoc | and luna is ok with it |
| 06:35.15 | oil | ;( |
| 06:35.26 | zsoc | oil: it works in cards, i just haven't cracked the mojo yet |
| 06:35.44 | zsoc | oil: 135 image just came out today, give me a little while man :P |
| 06:35.46 | zsoc | goodness lol |
| 06:35.52 | oil | ! |
| 06:36.03 | zsoc | i'm going to go compile doom |
| 06:36.35 | oil | crosses arms, continuously taps foot, an looks impatiently at zsoc |
| 06:37.05 | zsoc | oil: ok so get this |
| 06:37.10 | zsoc | oil: i just compiled a version that works in a card :D |
| 06:37.13 | zsoc | eat that |
| 06:37.17 | oil | there we go |
| 06:37.22 | zsoc | i'm not even kidding |
| 06:37.28 | zsoc | you gave me an idea when you demanded that |
| 06:37.30 | oil | in cards > taking over screen |
| 06:40.32 | oil | so does it take inputs, etc? |
| 06:41.43 | zsoc | oil: that's what i'm trying to figure out now |
| 06:41.46 | zsoc | mapping might be tricky |
| 06:41.54 | rick_home | sdl CLAIMS to take inputs. |
| 06:42.31 | oil | and touchscreen, obviously |
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| 06:43.19 | zsoc | and palm's patches take care of both of those things |
| 06:44.05 | egaudet | back to doctor, rwhitby can you rebuild test patches feed too when you get a chance. I'll be sleeping |
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| 06:46.06 | egaudet | oil, aside from the dependencies the only other thing preware needs for update all to be perfect is when the install of the remove/install update fails, the pacakge still shows in the list as isntalled until you refresh feeds or tap remove it |
| 06:47.11 | oil | and its actually not there? |
| 06:47.15 | egaudet | right |
| 06:47.19 | egaudet | because the remove succeeded |
| 06:47.36 | oil | does the service have a specific status to tell preware its only been removed? |
| 06:47.57 | egaudet | dunno, but if that's what preware needs we'll have to add it |
| 06:48.01 | egaudet | rwhitby, ^^ |
| 06:48.02 | oil | yeah |
| 06:48.10 | oil | it had no way to know if it failed on remove or reinstall |
| 06:48.24 | oil | if it failed on remove, its obviously still installed |
| 06:48.31 | oil | and if it fails on reinstall its actually removed |
| 06:48.32 | egaudet | yea |
| 06:48.40 | rwhitby | egaudet: rebuilding now |
| 06:48.51 | egaudet | so 3 return codes are needed |
| 06:49.12 | rick_home | tri state logic? Run awa Run Away... |
| 06:49.12 | jjcarter | egaudet, I think I may have that problem now actually. Preware says I have a patch installed but I actually dont, and getting an error trying to remove it. |
| 06:49.20 | rwhitby | egaudet: which branch for EPR 2.0.0 ? |
| 06:49.31 | oil | jjcarter: just update feeds |
| 06:49.40 | egaudet | alright, I doubt I'll be around much tomorrow evening to test it but I think I may be really close to working aupt. rwhitby major-upgrade branch |
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| 06:50.19 | egaudet | jjcarter, no completely different issue we were talking about stuff in alpha testing. |
| 06:50.28 | jjcarter | oh, sry |
| 06:50.51 | egaudet | in your case you need to manually remove the ipkg data |
| 06:50.51 | egaudet | if you are sure the patch is really nto applied |
| 06:50.55 | oil | .9.13 is released isn't it? |
| 06:51.18 | oil | (it's calling the replace code) |
| 06:51.34 | egaudet | oil no it's not released |
| 06:51.43 | oil | oh, i thought it was |
| 06:52.27 | egaudet | nope but it's in screenshots because milominder was using it for his tutorial :/ |
| 06:52.27 | jjcarter | oil, I'm still having the same issue, and issuing "ipkg -o /var remove [patch]" removes nothing |
| 06:53.29 | jjcarter | I was trying to install the patch but it appear preware was hanging during the installation, so I closed the card |
| 06:53.44 | jjcarter | after reopening preware it said the patch was installed |
| 06:54.06 | egaudet | jjcarter, not var anymore |
| 06:54.10 | egaudet | not for 1.3.5 |
| 06:54.23 | egaudet | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove it |
| 06:55.09 | rwhitby | egaudet: epr 2.0.0 in testing feed |
| 06:55.39 | rwhitby | now, oil, egaudet, what does ipkgservice need? |
| 06:57.56 | jjcarter | egaudet, thanks that fixed it |
| 06:57.56 | egaudet | on the update function for patches, it does remove/install. it needs to return preware whether it succeeded, failed on remove or failed on install |
| 06:57.56 | egaudet | rather than just succeed/fail |
| 06:58.30 | egaudet | also I'm not sure who handles the dependencies |
| 06:58.31 | egaudet | but |
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| 06:59.35 | egaudet | if i have a patch installed that depends on gdial app let's say, then OTA but gdial app doesn't come along, then I go to update all, the patch fails to install with green ipkg message about can't satisfy dependency because I had the feed off |
| 06:59.54 | rwhitby | egaudet: preware knows what stages have completed successfully before ipkgservice returns failed |
| 07:00.12 | egaudet | rwhitby, oil said it's one stage for the update ? |
| 07:00.36 | egaudet | (and in another note I can't doctor my phone, keeps telling me can't reset device go to palm sujpport" |
| 07:00.55 | zsoc | egaudet: you reached the limit |
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| 07:06.45 | egaudet | alright well it looks like the doctor is taking now, good night |
| 07:07.13 | rwhitby | egaudet: looking to see what ipkgservice does now |
| 07:08.45 | rwhitby | there is a 'remove' stage or 'failed' stage, and then there is an 'install' stage or 'failed' stage. |
| 07:09.15 | rwhitby | so you see 'failed', or 'remove','failed' or 'remove', 'install', 'completed' |
| 07:09.31 | rwhitby | (plus prerm and postinst and confirm stages intermingled in there too) |
| 07:11.16 | zsoc | hey look doom |
| 07:11.17 | zsoc | on my pre |
| 07:11.19 | zsoc | in a card |
| 07:12.04 | zsoc | hmm... well i can shoot, that's a start |
| 07:12.56 | rwhitby | zsoc: so, are we doing to do this properly and get it in Preware before the youtube goes up? |
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| 07:13.10 | zsoc | and i can move to the right.... |
| 07:13.16 | zsoc | crap i keep forgetting this place is logged |
| 07:13.20 | jacques3 | doom, bah. /me wants quake. |
| 07:13.38 | zsoc | rwhitby: er, the code is opensource, but the WAD (sprites and textures) i think is some odd shareware |
| 07:13.46 | jacques3 | and it has to be multiplayer |
| 07:14.05 | jacques3 | and have 3d sound |
| 07:14.09 | zsoc | jacques3: webos should support that |
| 07:14.10 | rwhitby | zsoc: so you install the ipkg, and then have to put a .wad file somewhere for it to work? |
| 07:14.13 | zsoc | sdl-net |
| 07:14.19 | zsoc | rwhitby: er, yes |
| 07:14.32 | zsoc | rwhitby: well, you have to be in the same 'folder' as the wad file when you run the executable |
| 07:14.38 | zsoc | i'd have to wrap that into an app |
| 07:14.43 | rwhitby | there's no legit .wad files available? |
| 07:14.44 | jacques3 | rwhitby: yeah. the demo .wad is free to download, but I don't think it's redistributable |
| 07:14.54 | rwhitby | jacques3: so the postinst could download it? |
| 07:15.00 | zsoc | yeah |
| 07:15.06 | zsoc | but i can still only shoot and move to the right :P |
| 07:15.18 | rwhitby | zsoc: right, but we can package in parallel |
| 07:15.20 | jacques3 | and apparently there are truly free .wads made by fans, but I have no experience with those |
| 07:15.50 | zsoc | sound works great too |
| 07:15.54 | egaudet | rwhitby, before I go to bed, what do you mean by "stage" |
| 07:16.07 | jacques3 | zsoc: it's playing out the back speaker? |
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| 07:16.16 | zsoc | lol wait i can press start too now |
| 07:16.21 | rwhitby | egaudet: when preware subscribes to the install or remove method, it get's back messages with 'stage':"foo" in them |
| 07:16.22 | zsoc | jacques3: ya |
| 07:16.34 | rwhitby | egaudet: that's what causes the sections in the IPKG Log |
| 07:16.45 | jacques3 | zsoc: landscape orientation? controlled by touch? or keyboard? |
| 07:16.59 | jacques3 | what's the FPS ? :-D |
| 07:17.00 | egaudet | rwhitby, oh, so when it calls "update" it is still subscribed to install/remove? |
| 07:17.02 | rwhitby | wonders if freakout is around for the scoop |
| 07:17.18 | freakout | notices the flashing xchat icon... |
| 07:17.31 | zsoc | oh crap, all the keys actually are recognized by letter too, hmmmm |
| 07:17.34 | jacques3 | oh I can't believe I'm saying this, but ... oh never mind |
| 07:17.44 | freakout | wad files? |
| 07:17.47 | freakout | doom port? :) |
| 07:17.54 | zsoc | freakout: stop being around, nothing works yet |
| 07:17.59 | zsoc | freakout: as far as you know i'm lying ;) |
| 07:18.12 | freakout | well, you're freaking pathological zsoc |
| 07:18.21 | jacques3 | what I really need to know is, can you jump? |
| 07:19.13 | freakout | Jump?? |
| 07:19.16 | freakout | In Doom? |
| 07:19.26 | zsoc | that was the joke i believe |
| 07:19.36 | rwhitby | egaudet: the 'replace' method gives back subscription messages just like install and remove |
| 07:19.41 | jacques3 | can you use the pinch maneuver to zoom in for headshots? |
| 07:19.52 | freakout | zsoc: what is this thing "joke" of which you speak.... |
| 07:19.54 | jacques3 | yes, that was a trick question :-\ |
| 07:20.00 | freakout | infobot, joke? |
| 07:20.01 | infobot | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 07:20.06 | egaudet | ok, so oil ^^ there's your answer. |
| 07:20.14 | egaudet | good night, update all will work early 2010! |
| 07:20.31 | freakout | yay |
| 07:20.40 | steveapos | nice |
| 07:20.46 | jacques3 | wow I can't believe it's going to be 2010 by this time tomorrow |
| 07:20.53 | zsoc | crazy indeed |
| 07:20.57 | zsoc | gotta dance |
| 07:21.19 | egaudet | only 2 years left |
| 07:21.31 | rwhitby | 6h10m here |
| 07:21.42 | freakout | egaudet: lol |
| 07:21.55 | freakout | 2 years left till John Cusack saves the world? |
| 07:22.01 | freakout | ....oh wait, he didn't |
| 07:22.11 | jacques3 | I read that now they think it's 2200 not 2012 |
| 07:22.12 | egaudet | lol |
| 07:22.31 | egaudet | mayans know everyhing |
| 07:22.36 | jacques3 | they could be just as wrong and it could be 2010 |
| 07:23.01 | zsoc | I might want to consider porting a more _functional_ game |
| 07:23.04 | bhern | it's really 2011. they were 0 based |
| 07:23.05 | jacques3 | I guess if rwhitby goes offline in about 6 hrs we'll know |
| 07:23.16 | jacques3 | lol |
| 07:23.32 | jacques3 | as all good numbering schemes are |
| 07:24.21 | jacques3 | zsoc: can I pair up by wii controller and kill monsters in doom yet? |
| 07:24.29 | steveapos | freaking battery percentage is driving me nuts |
| 07:25.08 | steveapos | still can't figure out why it vanishes at 100% |
| 07:25.12 | jacques3 | I'm refreshing the feeds but I don't see doom yet |
| 07:25.46 | jacques3 | steveapos: how much stuff do you have in your top bar? maybe it's running out of room |
| 07:26.09 | steveapos | that's what I thought too but I have stock icons up top and it still does it |
| 07:26.12 | jacques3 | mine's readint 100% right now |
| 07:26.40 | steveapos | if it's charging and I unplug it 100% flashes for a second and just goes poof |
| 07:27.59 | steveapos | shouldn't annoy me as much as it does, but it does lol |
| 07:29.16 | zsoc | aaannnd crashed my phone |
| 07:30.23 | jacques3 | zsoc: interesting :-| |
| 07:31.09 | zsoc | actually just louna |
| 07:31.11 | zsoc | *luna |
| 07:32.21 | jacques3 | oh, not nearly as bad |
| 07:32.34 | jacques3 | I was afraid it had somehow locked up the GPU |
| 07:32.42 | zsoc | nah, smooth as can be |
| 07:33.17 | jacques3 | zsoc: can you get a FPS value for doom? |
| 07:33.28 | zsoc | 11tymillion |
| 07:34.10 | rwhitby | is that all? |
| 07:35.49 | zsoc | yeah |
| 07:36.58 | jacques3 | weather report says there's supposed to be dense fog here, but I looked outside and I didn't see anything |
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| 07:37.59 | zsoc | why do people not put licensing on _anything_ |
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| 07:38.12 | zsoc | it's mirrored on sourceforge, don't they force including licensing? |
| 07:38.32 | jacques3 | I love the ones that say "Freeware" |
| 07:38.45 | jacques3 | what, exactly, does that mean? |
| 07:40.10 | zsoc | it's free to do nothing with it |
| 07:40.11 | zsoc | heh |
| 07:42.21 | rwhitby | zsoc: sourceforge projects have a licensing tag for each project |
| 07:42.21 | zsoc | ha, the readme file is like "so some people made this game... and their company doesn't exist any more..and that's it" |
| 07:42.48 | zsoc | rwhitby: oh, public domain |
| 07:46.31 | destinal | so it actually works, zsoc? |
| 07:46.42 | zsoc | destinal: oh, btw it works |
| 07:46.52 | zsoc | keymapping is _too_ good, which makes it suck |
| 07:47.08 | destinal | wha? |
| 07:47.14 | zsoc | destinal: it maps everything literally |
| 07:47.22 | zsoc | and the pre is missing things... like arrows |
| 07:47.55 | zsoc | i'm going to run some opengl demos |
| 07:48.06 | destinal | yeah, well, sometimes porting may actually be needed :) |
| 07:48.23 | zsoc | omg, you mean i need to PORT this |
| 07:48.25 | zsoc | GOSH |
| 07:48.30 | destinal | this is pretty awesome though it seems |
| 07:48.49 | zsoc | nah, doom is cool and all, but it doesn't exactly use a _mouse_, i want to test something i can test touch screen functionality with (besides "click") |
| 07:48.54 | rwhitby | it doesn't exist until it is automatically buildable from a public repository ... |
| 07:49.18 | zsoc | a concept with no proof, i'm a good liar :D |
| 07:49.38 | rwhitby | it would be a good new years eve joke. |
| 07:49.47 | jacques_pre | wow, downloading a 133MiB file got me pre pretty warm |
| 07:50.18 | zsoc | jacques3: my pre is plugged into the usb and lost 25% battery from randomly compiling things |
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| 07:51.12 | jacques_pre | zsoc: so you built in a chroot on the pre? cool |
| 07:51.18 | destinal | zsoc: you said you had a binary in need of testing? |
| 07:51.45 | zsoc | jacques3: that's not new, search debian on webos-internals wiki |
| 07:51.51 | zsoc | destinal: 1 sec |
| 07:52.13 | zsoc | destinal: i can send you the non-working doom if you want to file a gun over and over and move to the right |
| 07:52.18 | zsoc | s/file/fire |
| 07:52.27 | destinal | lol |
| 07:53.04 | destinal | it's too late anyway,I have to sleep,work tomorrow |
| 07:53.06 | zsoc | what was the first fps with mouse controls? |
| 07:53.10 | zsoc | destinal: k mate, i'll be around |
| 07:53.16 | zsoc | hexon? quake? |
| 07:53.28 | destinal | quake I think |
| 07:54.02 | rwhitby | so, do we need a native feed that builds on a debian chroot on a Pre? |
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| 07:54.24 | rwhitby | jacques_pre: get ka6sox to wire one up into cheli? |
| 07:54.33 | rwhitby | run an autobuilder on it ... |
| 07:54.41 | destinal | of course there's other things besides fps's out there, zsoc :) |
| 07:54.42 | jacques3 | I dunno, I think with a little work, this should be x-compilable |
| 07:54.51 | rwhitby | (like we used to have to do with apache for the slug) |
| 07:55.25 | jacques3 | yeah that was cool. and before that, in the handhelds.org project, we had ipaq handhelds setup like tht |
| 07:55.47 | zsoc | bah |
| 07:55.57 | zsoc | rwhitby: why? you dont need a chroot to run the stuff |
| 07:56.02 | zsoc | rwhitby: in fact it doesn't work in the chroot |
| 07:56.25 | zsoc | ooo descent.. |
| 07:56.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: the chroot is to do the autobuilding for the preware feed |
| 07:56.54 | jacques3 | amazingly, descent is still being actively developed |
| 07:57.03 | zsoc | oh |
| 07:57.04 | zsoc | hm |
| 07:57.42 | jacques3 | http://happypenguin.org/list?search=descent |
| 07:58.51 | destinal | zsoc: how many times did you say earlier you wouldn't believe it could run over luna? :) |
| 07:59.37 | zsoc | destinal: 35 i think |
| 07:59.50 | jacques3 | I guess webos just isn't telling luna about it? |
| 08:00.23 | jacques3 | tho I don't understand how luna doesn't corrupt the display by writing to it |
| 08:00.31 | jacques3 | while an sdl app is running |
| 08:00.33 | zsoc | jacques3: no the hooks are kind of... automated. luna stuff it in a card when it sees the new surface open |
| 08:00.48 | zsoc | s/stuff/stuffs/ |
| 08:01.08 | jacques3 | ok good |
| 08:02.08 | destinal | so we still need to embed somehow into apps,for one |
| 08:03.32 | zsoc | someone's gotta see this stuff |
| 08:04.11 | destinal | service or plugin could work even though I expect palm has a more elegant method we don't know about |
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| 08:04.55 | zsoc | a service could do it in a second |
| 08:05.03 | zsoc | i'm sure there's a mojo api for it |
| 08:19.40 | destinal | I can confirm the new card thing, so zsoc isn't making this up. :) |
| 08:20.16 | oil | thats good |
| 08:20.17 | zsoc | destinal: shhhh :p |
| 08:20.21 | oil | i had my doubts at first xD |
| 08:20.22 | zsoc | is a nut job |
| 08:20.36 | zsoc | pre needs arrow keys :P |
| 08:21.01 | oil | gesture+numbers seems to work pretty good for terminal :) |
| 08:21.51 | destinal | we also .have more incentive for wiimote hacking now |
| 08:23.16 | oil | wiimote to play games on pre? |
| 08:24.05 | destinal | sure |
| 08:24.20 | oil | while cool and geeky |
| 08:24.24 | oil | not so good for mass appeal |
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| 08:27.49 | destinal | it's perfect along with a touchstone as a stand, why not? |
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| 08:28.16 | destinal | anyway have fun all, gotta sleep |
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| 08:30.21 | Robi_ | heh I was a Descent master back in the day |
| 08:30.53 | Robi_ | once the accel api works well you could use it to pivot the ship |
| 08:31.18 | Robi_ | then make some 2D onscreen controls |
| 08:32.38 | edektor | here is a little desktop script that will give you info about the apps you have in the app catalog. Just give it the app ID's of your app(s) http://gist.github.com/266666 |
| 08:33.29 | freakout | so zsoc, where are my screenies? |
| 08:33.44 | zsoc | freakout: bah |
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| 08:33.59 | freakout | where is my video? |
| 08:34.05 | freakout | WHERE IS MY IPK? |
| 08:34.24 | zsoc | do you even know what time it is here |
| 08:35.59 | joshua | w 3 |
| 08:36.04 | joshua | oops |
| 08:43.07 | freakout | zsoc: time to cater to freakout's whims? |
| 08:43.50 | freakout | goes to play video games |
| 08:43.56 | oil | my clock always gets stuck right before that time |
| 08:44.48 | oil | STO? |
| 08:45.09 | zsoc | ok fixed key mapping |
| 08:45.27 | zsoc | and by fixed i mean "hack till i broke it" |
| 08:45.36 | zsoc | now i just need a good suggestion on how to map the keys |
| 08:45.44 | oil | wasd? |
| 08:46.19 | joshua | wasd ijkl |
| 08:47.08 | zsoc | oil: keyboard is on the right side of the screen :D |
| 08:47.53 | oil | landscape? |
| 08:48.01 | oil | well thats no good for key controls |
| 08:48.13 | zsoc | ... the screen is 320x480, it's either that or have a _tiny_ screen |
| 08:48.19 | oil | you need the little touchscreen-dpad |
| 08:48.22 | oil | or joystick |
| 08:48.26 | oil | like lots of iphone games have |
| 08:48.33 | joshua | i hate that |
| 08:48.35 | zsoc | oil: yeah, i'll just code an overlay right now for a proof of concept demo |
| 08:48.41 | zsoc | just give me 10 minutes at 4am |
| 08:48.43 | oil | waits |
| 08:48.56 | joshua | i wonder if you could somehow use the touch section |
| 08:49.02 | joshua | like the gesture area |
| 08:49.09 | oil | how is it in the card? |
| 08:49.11 | oil | <object>? |
| 08:49.19 | zsoc | H and G will be forward and back, Y and B will be left and right. you can still strafe going forward just not backwards that way |
| 08:49.41 | zsoc | everything is mapped to ascii right now |
| 08:49.51 | zsoc | tell me what ascii number the gesture area is and i'll do it :P |
| 08:50.07 | zsoc | pressing the screen is clicking the mouse, so it's like firing |
| 08:54.40 | zsoc | oil: quick, make a hook in ipkgservice to start doom, and make a dummy app that calls that hook :P |
| 08:54.56 | zsoc | er, 'service call' and 'json', or whatever your fancy language is |
| 08:56.01 | oil | lol |
| 08:56.38 | meCka_ | anyone know if 1.3.5 works fine w/ meta-doctor? |
| 08:56.48 | rwhitby | should do |
| 08:57.19 | meCka_ | rwhitby: was that answer for me? lol |
| 08:57.44 | rwhitby | wonders what was funny about the answer ... |
| 08:57.55 | zsoc | ok there's no go back. only go forward and go back really fast |
| 08:58.03 | zsoc | and there's no strafing, just turning left and right |
| 08:58.08 | zsoc | but it's demoable |
| 08:58.13 | zsoc | who wants this thing so i can go to sleep? |
| 08:58.37 | zsoc | s/go back really fast/go forward really fast/ |
| 08:58.38 | rwhitby | zsoc: send me a binary and I can package it |
| 08:58.49 | oil | waits for package |
| 08:58.59 | rwhitby | what's it called? |
| 08:59.22 | zsoc | doom |
| 08:59.25 | zsoc | :p |
| 08:59.34 | rwhitby | package id? |
| 08:59.45 | zsoc | the shareware doom is http://www.libsdl.org/projects/doom/data/doom1.wad.gz |
| 08:59.49 | zsoc | er, WAD i mean |
| 08:59.51 | zsoc | the one you need |
| 09:00.10 | zsoc | and i don't know how you're going to globalize it whatever, your $PWD has to be the folder the wad is in |
| 09:00.32 | zsoc | org.webosinternals.doom-concept ? |
| 09:00.43 | zsoc | org.webosinternals.sdldoom-concept? |
| 09:00.55 | rwhitby | zsoc: doom-in-a-card ? |
| 09:01.27 | zsoc | heh, like i said it's not really _playable_. i mean you can move around and shoot and open doors, but it's painful |
| 09:01.31 | zsoc | fps is great tho |
| 09:01.35 | rwhitby | how do you start it? |
| 09:01.56 | zsoc | rwhitby: uh.. you sorta... execute it |
| 09:02.08 | rwhitby | and it opens it's own card automatically? |
| 09:02.12 | zsoc | that's why i made the joke about the service request being added to package manager :P |
| 09:02.22 | zsoc | rwhitby: i am a super awesome compiling-face man |
| 09:03.05 | zsoc | There, it's out of my hands. i'm going to sleep |
| 09:04.11 | rwhitby | I assume I need to gunzip the wad? |
| 09:04.52 | zsoc | rwhitby: it doesn't open its _own_ card so much as it starts it's own surface, and when luna realizes it has to share the fb after the initialized virtual surface, it creates a hardware accelerated surface in a new card and shoves it in there |
| 09:04.54 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes |
| 09:05.31 | rwhitby | final key bindings? |
| 09:06.03 | zsoc | H is forward, Y is left, B is right, G is forward really fast (for some reason), space open doors, tap screen to shoot |
| 09:06.20 | zsoc | you can switch weapons with the number keys if you bother getting that far (hold orange and press key, like always) |
| 09:06.34 | zsoc | and you can move around the menus by pressing the first letter that corresponds with the option you want |
| 09:07.44 | rwhitby | no backwards, right? |
| 09:07.51 | zsoc | no, or strafing |
| 09:08.01 | zsoc | i could probably figure it out if i played with it a lot more, but it's not obvious |
| 09:08.09 | zsoc | 'Sym' also shoots, for some reason |
| 09:08.15 | zsoc | and the back gesture opens the menu |
| 09:08.18 | zsoc | couldn't figure that one out |
| 09:08.50 | oil | lol |
| 09:08.52 | zsoc | actually i _can_ figure it out, back gesture gives ascii 27, it's esc |
| 09:09.35 | rwhitby | ok, it's working here. we can package this. |
| 09:09.49 | rwhitby | I have just over 4 hours left in 2009 |
| 09:09.52 | rwhitby | should be heaps |
| 09:10.16 | zsoc | i have a very long day today, that i haven't slept yet for :P maybe 4 hours of sleep for me, hopefully i'll see some fun stuff |
| 09:10.19 | rwhitby | zsoc: where is the game source from? |
| 09:10.37 | zsoc | rwhitby: http://www.libsdl.org/projects/doom/src/sdldoom-1.10.tar.gz |
| 09:10.38 | oil | wow, you weren't kidding about g being really fast |
| 09:10.39 | oil | haha |
| 09:10.55 | rwhitby | zsoc: can do you a quick diff against pristine source? |
| 09:11.06 | oil | oh, its got sound, too |
| 09:11.08 | rwhitby | or send me a tarball of your dev directory? |
| 09:11.20 | oil | does minimize pause? |
| 09:11.22 | zsoc | rwhitby: i didn't change the source, i changed some libraries it compiles against |
| 09:11.32 | zsoc | oil: it seems to... not |
| 09:11.41 | oil | lol |
| 09:11.47 | oil | it plays pretty good |
| 09:11.52 | zsoc | oil: that's what i thought |
| 09:12.00 | oil | but the keys for moving are hard to be navigate |
| 09:12.01 | oil | maybe its just me |
| 09:12.10 | rwhitby | it's workable, and a great demo |
| 09:12.10 | zsoc | oil: no, it's because there's no strafe |
| 09:12.17 | oil | seems like i can't change direction/move as much as i wanted |
| 09:12.19 | zsoc | oil: and it's side ways :P |
| 09:12.19 | oil | i mean |
| 09:12.23 | oil | hitting the buttons |
| 09:12.25 | zsoc | oil: strafe would fix that :P |
| 09:12.33 | oil | obviously its just a thumb |
| 09:12.36 | oil | hitting all 3 buttons |
| 09:12.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: i wonder if palm thought it would happen the same day of the image release lol |
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| 09:12.49 | oil | im just making a usability point |
| 09:12.55 | jauderho_ | has anyone seen this? virtual keyboard for android http://echeng.com/journal/2009/12/31/swype-an-alternative-keyboard-for-droi/ |
| 09:12.56 | oil | not that it doesn't work |
| 09:12.56 | zsoc | oil: yeah it's bad, i agree |
| 09:13.21 | zsoc | oil: firing with your left hand almost balances the weight |
| 09:13.33 | rwhitby | zsoc: any command line options? |
| 09:13.34 | oil | yeah, shooting with a tap is good |
| 09:13.39 | oil | i just killed a demon |
| 09:13.40 | zsoc | rwhitby: none that work |
| 09:13.48 | oil | brb |
| 09:14.02 | zsoc | also emulating is going to become rampent, every major emulator is ported to sdl |
| 09:14.18 | rwhitby | zsoc: so just org.webosinternals.sdldoom ("Doom") I guess, and later versions could have different technology |
| 09:14.35 | zsoc | rwhitby: sure, if you want to do it that way. |
| 09:14.42 | zsoc | i won't pull a dbsooner on you ;) |
| 09:14.56 | zsoc | NO, I"M GOING TO TWEET IT, you retweet! lol |
| 09:14.58 | rwhitby | zsoc: it's your app, I'm just the packaging monkey |
| 09:15.03 | zsoc | doesn't have a twitter |
| 09:15.05 | zsoc | it's public domain |
| 09:15.22 | zsoc | hell i didn't even _port_ it beyond some library tweaks |
| 09:15.44 | rwhitby | ok, first a git repo |
| 09:15.45 | zsoc | maybe derek will say my name again |
| 09:15.54 | zsoc | rwhitby: seriously, i gotta jet, can you finish this? |
| 09:16.02 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep, I can take it from here. |
| 09:16.23 | rwhitby | zsoc: same attribution and stuff as Precorder for you? |
| 09:16.33 | zsoc | rwhitby: yeah, i suppose whatever we did with that is fine |
| 09:16.38 | rwhitby | done |
| 09:16.43 | zsoc | ty |
| 09:16.49 | rwhitby | oil: you around for a while? |
| 09:17.03 | zsoc|away | tommorow, there are going to be a lot of developers realizing how dumb they are for not trying this, lol |
| 09:17.32 | zsoc|away | rwhitby: destinal probably needs props too, he pointed me in the right directing with his crazy package diffing ;) |
| 09:17.35 | zsoc|away | poofs |
| 09:17.48 | rwhitby | zsoc|away: ok, zsoc and destinal, anyone else? |
| 09:17.55 | zsoc|away | rwhitby: no one else i like :D |
| 09:18.23 | rwhitby | packaging monkey goes last |
| 09:18.31 | zsoc|away | poofs for real |
| 09:19.25 | rwhitby | oil: so we need an "Emulator Manager" app, with a single button "Launch Doom". |
| 09:19.40 | rwhitby | (and greyed out buttons for other emulators) |
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| 09:21.34 | rwhitby | or do we make them use Terminal to run it? |
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| 09:26.11 | jauderho_ | no terminal pls =) |
| 09:27.41 | rwhitby | ok, so we need an emuservice to start it |
| 09:33.36 | rwhitby | doomwaddir = getenv("DOOMWADDIR"); |
| 09:42.18 | rwhitby | we need an icon too |
| 09:43.09 | meCka_ | rwhitby: do i need to create a account to edit/add something on the Wiki? |
| 09:43.12 | rwhitby | oh, we have a tux with blood I think |
| 09:43.14 | rwhitby | meCka_: no |
| 09:43.22 | rwhitby | oh, yes, you need to create an account |
| 09:43.28 | rwhitby | you choose the password |
| 09:43.34 | meCka_ | rwhitby: tought so, thanks |
| 09:44.15 | freakout | wait, hang on |
| 09:44.19 | freakout | he posted it? |
| 09:44.20 | freakout | where?? |
| 09:44.57 | rwhitby | here's our icon for Doom: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/e/eb/Tux_as_Zombie.png |
| 09:45.11 | rwhitby | freakout: I have it. Packaging it now. |
| 09:45.17 | freakout | rwhitby: i love it |
| 09:45.25 | freakout | who did that? |
| 09:45.41 | freakout | he could use a BFG too.... or a Doom Guy helmet.... |
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| 09:47.21 | tlz | anyone had any instances where you try and sync the palm profile, and now all the contacts are loaded, but with no #'s? |
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| 10:02.33 | rwhitby | wow, you even get landscape notifications while playing doom |
| 10:03.27 | freakout-Pre | rwhitby: you tease! |
| 10:06.11 | freakout-Pre | will it work on 1.3.1? |
| 10:07.42 | rwhitby | oh, I just had a great idea. Make this an easter egg in Preware! |
| 10:08.00 | preston | does anyone else's pre reset whenever you exit the terminal app? |
| 10:08.05 | freakout-Pre | that *is* a great idea. |
| 10:08.14 | freakout-Pre | everyone loves Easter eggs! |
| 10:09.26 | rwhitby | yeah, this is totally doable. No need for a new service or front-end app then. |
| 10:09.49 | oil | lol |
| 10:09.54 | rwhitby | oil: you in? |
| 10:10.02 | rwhitby | oil: menu item? |
| 10:10.13 | oil | idk |
| 10:10.18 | rwhitby | service method will be playDoom() |
| 10:10.28 | oil | while i think easter eggs are cool, i dont think doom is an easter egg |
| 10:10.35 | oil | especially if its just a menu item |
| 10:10.35 | oil | haha |
| 10:10.37 | rwhitby | it will be a separately installable package. |
| 10:10.50 | rwhitby | you need to install doom first, then you use Preware to launch it |
| 10:11.21 | rwhitby | you can only launch it from the preware installed packages screen |
| 10:11.26 | rwhitby | with the normal launch button |
| 10:11.39 | rwhitby | (that's the easter egg bit) |
| 10:11.53 | rwhitby | (we need to special case that package id to call the method) |
| 10:12.00 | oil | i wonder if palm plans to use this for the native programming |
| 10:12.12 | oil | and if they have another way to launch them |
| 10:13.48 | rwhitby | if only we could do this as a 1.0.0 Preware release ... |
| 10:14.39 | oil | this is going out of the scope of preware |
| 10:14.42 | oil | its a package installer |
| 10:14.50 | oil | not for starting games |
| 10:14.57 | oil | there has to be another way |
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| 10:18.09 | freakout | will be back in an hour! |
| 10:19.00 | rwhitby | oil: a new Flag, which calls a service, which executes a shell script installed with the package instead of launching it via luna. |
| 10:19.18 | rwhitby | the package has to be signed for the shell script to be executed. |
| 10:19.25 | rwhitby | useful for all sorts of optware stuff too |
| 10:19.42 | rwhitby | it's just an implementation of the Launch button for non-webOS apps |
| 10:20.26 | rwhitby | gonna test it on 1.3.1 now - I expect it won't work. |
| 10:22.25 | rwhitby | yep, no libSDL-1.2 |
| 10:25.48 | rwhitby | as far as I can see, the ID Software License allows us to distribute this as long as it is not commercial |
| 10:25.58 | rwhitby | (including the specific doom1.wad file) |
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| 10:29.37 | rwhitby | ok, I have an initial ipkg |
| 10:30.56 | rwhitby | 5.3MB installed |
| 10:31.31 | rwhitby | 4% CPU when minimised. You could take a call while it is paused (we'll test that later) |
| 10:36.31 | oil | sending it to card doesn't pause it |
| 10:36.39 | oil | it just seems to lower the fps considerably |
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| 10:44.12 | rwhitby | is the TITLE "Doom" or "DOOM!" ? |
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| 10:49.04 | JJC | Do I HAVE to download WebOs doctor for Preware to work? |
| 10:49.22 | rwhitby | JJC: no |
| 10:49.31 | rwhitby | but you have to install Preware for Preware to work. |
| 10:49.45 | JJC | Makes sense. Lol |
| 10:49.53 | rwhitby | The wiki page gives you three different ways to do that. |
| 10:50.35 | JJC | best one? |
| 10:50.47 | rwhitby | http://install.preware.org/ |
| 10:54.18 | rwhitby | oil: how do I get a simple page with some text on it to show when I push the Doom icon ? |
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| 10:58.43 | rwhitby | hah - Ares can do this for me |
| 11:02.27 | oil | hits sack |
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| 11:08.52 | Boobie | I tried downloading and it said something about I need .Net Framework v2 |
| 11:08.53 | Boobie | ? |
| 11:10.12 | Boobie | anyone home? |
| 11:10.57 | Boobie | I tried downloading the preware installer and it said that I needed .Net Framework v2....something? |
| 11:11.27 | Boobie | And the jar file said 'unable to rename it WebOs doctor?' |
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| 11:36.33 | freakout | rwhitby: it's DOOM. all-caps. |
| 11:38.04 | freakout | also, rwhitby: gimme the damn ipk already! |
| 11:38.08 | freakout | (not to be rude or anything) |
| 11:38.45 | rwhitby | freakout: nope, not ready for screenshots yet |
| 11:39.01 | rwhitby | I'm doing an app in Ares |
| 11:39.02 | freakout | but... but... |
| 11:39.13 | freakout | what if I hold my breath? |
| 11:39.23 | freakout | Or, alternatively: I promise no screenshots or blogging |
| 11:39.35 | freakout | (or support requests, for that matter) |
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| 11:43.25 | lt83850 | rwhitby, do you have a good tutorial for ares? |
| 11:43.43 | rwhitby | lt83850: nope, just used it for the first time tonight myself |
| 11:44.16 | lt83850 | thx |
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| 12:20.20 | rwhitby | and we're back |
| 12:20.21 | rwhitby | ok, for anyone watching, a dummy package suitable to make screenshots of Preware showing the Doom package is in the testing feed. It is not a functional package, just a dummy for screenshots of Preware :-) |
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| 12:20.52 | freakout | lol |
| 12:21.12 | JayCanuck | lol, you're as bad as the need for speed videa |
| 12:21.38 | JayCanuck | I post that, at least 1 commenter will say "photoshop!" lol |
| 12:21.46 | hape | zsoc|away: You are the man! I requested DOOM for fun when i got to sleep. Now i read the backlog and it's there. |
| 12:21.50 | hape | morning by the way |
| 12:22.04 | freakout | rwhitby: i'm guessing that's no good in 1.3.1? |
| 12:22.05 | rwhitby | the real thing will be there soon. I need these shots for the ipkg screenshots |
| 12:22.08 | rwhitby | freakout: nope |
| 12:22.15 | freakout | sighs |
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| 12:22.43 | rwhitby | freakout, JayCanuck: since I know you both are waiting for something: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/56/Doom-installed.png |
| 12:23.02 | freakout | rwhitby: Nice. :) |
| 12:23.07 | freakout | blogs madly |
| 12:23.09 | freakout | :p |
| 12:23.14 | rwhitby | and http://www.webos-internals.org/images/0/08/Doom-listing.png |
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| 12:23.37 | rwhitby | and http://www.webos-internals.org/images/f/f0/Doom-in-a-card.png |
| 12:23.52 | rwhitby | and http://www.webos-internals.org/images/8/85/Doom-instructions.png |
| 12:24.09 | rwhitby | Now you have 80% of your articles ready ... |
| 12:24.20 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 12:24.30 | freakout | ha! |
| 12:24.35 | freakout | I'd like a better understanding of the underlying tech |
| 12:24.44 | freakout | So 1.3.5 puts SDL on the table, hmm? |
| 12:25.45 | aCrazyPenguin13 | doom! |
| 12:26.08 | JayCanuck | freakout, same with m |
| 12:26.15 | JayCanuck | *me |
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| 12:26.52 | freakout | rwhitby, that's your cue (since zsoc and destinal have bugged out) :P |
| 12:26.56 | rwhitby | it's all in the backlog ... |
| 12:27.01 | freakout | haha |
| 12:27.07 | freakout | has been scolling through it |
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| 12:27.17 | rwhitby | better read it more closely ;-) |
| 12:27.20 | freakout | But thats a long backlog |
| 12:28.21 | JayCanuck | yea, I've been looking throught it too, but a lot of that stuff assumes prior knowledge of sdl and such |
| 12:29.55 | freakout | I think the teller is here |
| 12:29.57 | freakout | <zsoc> destinal: looks like full OpenGL ES hardward support through SDL and fb drivers |
| 12:30.44 | rwhitby | ok, we need someone to volunteer to write the wiki page. |
| 12:31.06 | rwhitby | whoever volunteers gets the binary first. and they document the key-bindings on the wiki page. |
| 12:31.16 | freakout | heh - on that note |
| 12:31.22 | freakout | QWERTZ will surely mess with that? |
| 12:31.32 | freakout | if it's all ascii like zsoc says |
| 12:31.51 | rwhitby | freakout: qwertz don't have 1.3.5 anyway ;-) |
| 12:32.06 | freakout | has tantrum |
| 12:32.21 | JayCanuck | it's 1.3.5-specific? |
| 12:36.21 | rwhitby | yep |
| 12:36.57 | rwhitby | someone needs to flesh out http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom |
| 12:37.52 | rwhitby | BTW, I wonder if the exact technology should be too widely blogged, just in case it's what Palm was intending to announce at CES? |
| 12:38.32 | JayCanuck | you've already got the foot in the door with the doom announcement and screenshots though, eh? |
| 12:39.48 | *** join/#webos-internals JJC (i=18a484db@gateway/web/freenode/x-kbobtbguhytgwghq) |
| 12:40.02 | JJC | Where do you get webos quick install? |
| 12:40.19 | JayCanuck | the webos quick install thread ;) |
| 12:40.30 | JJC | link? |
| 12:40.56 | JayCanuck | http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/showthread.php?t=206905 |
| 12:40.56 | rwhitby | JJC: JayCanuck is where you get webos quick install :-) |
| 12:41.19 | JJC | lol ty |
| 12:41.29 | rwhitby | So no volunteers to write the wiki page? |
| 12:41.33 | freakout | rwhitby: |
| 12:41.37 | freakout | bah |
| 12:41.47 | JJC | uhm...that was a bad link |
| 12:41.49 | JayCanuck | oops, wrong link http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-96-a-1.html |
| 12:42.01 | freakout | rwhitby: I hope you're not looking at me, 'cause I don't understand it |
| 12:42.12 | rwhitby | anyone in here with a Pixi ? |
| 12:42.13 | freakout | Although from what I can see, SDL is now part-and-parcel with Luna |
| 12:42.31 | freakout | rwhitby: as for pre-empting Palm |
| 12:42.48 | freakout | rwhitby: is it really our concern? News is news |
| 12:43.06 | freakout | rwhitby: and they're the ones who pushed 1.3.5 ahead of CES |
| 12:43.37 | JayCanuck | at least from what I'm looking at, the sdl doom isn't still a full app |
| 12:43.53 | rwhitby | well, I have 45 minutes to wait for a volunteer before it's midnight here. It's being released on 1 Jan 2010 |
| 12:44.09 | freakout | rwhitby: you mean 15mins. |
| 12:44.14 | JayCanuck | requires terminal commands, isn't integrated into launcher, etc. So this is more of "looking into possibile futures of webOS" rather than spoiling things |
| 12:44.17 | freakout | damn backwards adelaide ppl :p |
| 12:44.29 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 12:44.47 | freakout | sydney is the cutting edge, JayCanuck. |
| 12:44.54 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 12:45.28 | JayCanuck | I'm just envious it's summer over there, lol, freakin cold over here |
| 12:45.52 | freakout | rwhitby: So, is the headline "DOOM Ported To Pre, Is Hardware Accelerated" accurate? |
| 12:46.21 | rwhitby | freakout: I personally don't know if libSDL is hardware accellerated or not. |
| 12:46.31 | rwhitby | did zsoc and destinal say earlier? |
| 12:46.45 | freakout | looks like it |
| 12:47.15 | freakout | zsoc> rwhitby: it doesn't open its _own_ card so much as it starts it's own surface, and when luna realizes it has to share the fb after the initialized virtual surface, it creates a hardware accelerated surface in a new card and shoves it in there |
| 12:49.23 | rwhitby | there you go. it's fast enough to be accellerated :-) |
| 12:50.14 | rwhitby | especially the 'fast-forward' key |
| 12:50.55 | rwhitby | ok you slackers, it's in the testing feed now. let me know if it works. |
| 12:51.41 | rwhitby | and if someone can get an actual screen shot from inside the game, I can use that too. |
| 12:52.35 | rwhitby | then I need to work out how to make a video for the inaugural webosinternals youtube channel video |
| 12:53.55 | rwhitby | ah, I can use Precorder on one Pre to take a video of the other. better than freakout's sister |
| 12:54.02 | freakout | lol |
| 12:54.16 | freakout | freakout's sister would call you stupid, rwhitby |
| 12:55.10 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 12:55.13 | rwhitby | BTW, you guys will be linking to that inaugural video in your blogs ... |
| 12:57.17 | freakout | rwhitby: no, who would be interested in watching that? :p |
| 12:57.27 | freakout | i'm just going to paint a vivid word picture |
| 12:59.25 | rwhitby | so, no-one's testing it yet? |
| 13:00.51 | freakout | JayCanuck: surely you have 1.3.5? |
| 13:01.02 | JayCanuck | yep |
| 13:01.13 | JayCanuck | haven't tried it yet as I'm writin the article |
| 13:01.33 | freakout | hey crap |
| 13:01.37 | freakout | it's 2010! |
| 13:01.40 | JayCanuck | wanna keep my details accurate as poassible without boggin down the avhg reader/myself |
| 13:01.43 | freakout | happy new year, folks |
| 13:01.45 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 13:01.45 | freakout | lol |
| 13:01.49 | freakout | JayCanuck: me too |
| 13:01.50 | JayCanuck | have new year aussies |
| 13:02.00 | JayCanuck | *happt |
| 13:02.04 | JayCanuck | **happy |
| 13:02.15 | JayCanuck | lol, I need sleep, 7:02am here |
| 13:02.26 | rwhitby | HNY, freakout |
| 13:02.54 | rwhitby | heh, this is going to be the worst youtube video every |
| 13:02.56 | rwhitby | ever |
| 13:05.28 | JayCanuck | lol |
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| 13:08.42 | freakout | rwhitby: *clearly* you didn't see my first Precorder test vid :p |
| 13:08.56 | freakout | or my audition to be the host of Good Game on ABC2, for that matter |
| 13:09.36 | rwhitby | ssshhhh - I'm recording |
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| 13:16.52 | freakout | well, my draft is ready |
| 13:17.13 | freakout | Proably won't be as intelligent as JayCanuck's |
| 13:17.19 | freakout | but it'll sound nice! |
| 13:17.24 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 13:17.27 | zefyx | my pixi bit the dust. waiting on a replacement from palm. |
| 13:17.27 | rwhitby | take 2 |
| 13:17.42 | zefyx | sporadic power button for turning screen on/off :\ |
| 13:17.45 | freakout | bah! i'm getting a hot milo while i wait... |
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| 13:24.31 | rwhitby | done |
| 13:24.49 | rwhitby | now to upload |
| 13:25.19 | atlanta | jettero: good morning champ |
| 13:27.28 | rwhitby | it's a silent movie |
| 13:27.42 | rwhitby | and it'll take 3 hours to upload it seems |
| 13:27.53 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 13:28.20 | rwhitby | my upload speed sucks. 3 hours for 165MB |
| 13:28.46 | rwhitby | bah - you guys can update your articles tomorrow with the video |
| 13:29.00 | rwhitby | so, has anyone else at all tested it? |
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| 13:29.45 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.sdldoom_1.1.0_armv7.ipk |
| 13:30.29 | freakout | gah |
| 13:30.30 | freakout | fine! |
| 13:30.32 | freakout | trigger pulled |
| 13:31.40 | freakout | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10012/doom-ported-to-palm-pre-is-hardwareaccelerated/ |
| 13:31.44 | freakout | thanks, rwhitby |
| 13:31.52 | freakout | and thanks zsoc and destinal! (when you read this) |
| 13:32.32 | rwhitby | freakout: that link above will go away as soon as it's in the public feeds (which will be very soon) |
| 13:32.49 | freakout | rwhitby: I didn't put it in the article |
| 13:32.55 | freakout | will wait till it's out of the testing feed |
| 13:37.44 | rwhitby | ok, writing the tweet now. JayCanuck do you have an article ready for me to link to as well? |
| 13:38.21 | JayCanuck | will be at http://www.precentral.net/hardware-accelerated-doom-card-yes-its-true once one of the editors publish it |
| 13:38.47 | JayCanuck | any eta on the video demo upload? |
| 13:39.33 | rwhitby | 3:11:23 remaining |
| 13:39.40 | JayCanuck | O.o |
| 13:39.41 | freakout | lol |
| 13:39.49 | freakout | ponders staying up till 4am |
| 13:40.02 | rwhitby | Frankly, I doubt it will get through. |
| 13:41.20 | freakout | 165mb? how long is that vid, anyways? |
| 13:41.44 | atlanta | rwhitby: testing doom now |
| 13:41.54 | JayCanuck | so, rod, any eta on when it'll transiton from testing feed to public feed? |
| 13:42.43 | rwhitby | it's there now |
| 13:42.48 | rwhitby | (the package) |
| 13:43.42 | freakout | rwhitby: accessible through Preware? |
| 13:44.01 | rwhitby | yep, should be. someone else here should test that. |
| 13:45.17 | JayCanuck | any eta on an arm6 version? |
| 13:45.55 | JayCanuck | for that matter, is sdl the same on the pixi, lol |
| 13:45.58 | freakout | rwhitby: typo in your preware description :p "requires webOS1.3.5" not "required" :p |
| 13:46.09 | freakout | JayCanuck: i think zsoc was asking the same question... |
| 13:46.35 | atlanta | rwhitby: it is there |
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| 13:47.01 | JayCanuck | freakout: maybe rod's from the future, then it makes sense to him |
| 13:47.23 | freakout | lol |
| 13:47.55 | atlanta | is there a paste option in terminal |
| 13:47.55 | atlanta | ? |
| 13:48.21 | rwhitby | nope |
| 13:48.27 | rwhitby | you gotta work for it :-) |
| 13:48.35 | atlanta | lol :-) |
| 13:48.47 | rwhitby | oil wouldn't let me add a launcher to preware :-( |
| 13:49.09 | atlanta | boooooooo |
| 13:49.09 | atlanta | lol |
| 13:49.33 | rwhitby | so I made an app that horrid enough that oil will have to replace it with something spectacular tomorrow |
| 13:49.41 | atlanta | is there at least auto complete for folder /file names |
| 13:49.42 | atlanta | ? |
| 13:49.43 | freakout | there we go, appended a brief update to the article saying it's in preware - and you'll need the .wad file |
| 13:50.52 | rwhitby | freakout: fixing the typo |
| 13:51.01 | rwhitby | wad file is included |
| 13:51.28 | rwhitby | it's a special shareware wad file from ID Software which is allowed to be distributed for non-commercial use |
| 13:51.31 | Bmyers | took long enough to see a port doom port out there.. |
| 13:52.06 | JayCanuck | bmyers doom for the Pre was here a long while ago, this a much more refine version |
| 13:52.08 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: so no-one awake at PreCentral? |
| 13:52.32 | JayCanuck | Derek was like an hour ago, I've been the group a message to publish it asap |
| 13:52.38 | JayCanuck | *I've sent |
| 13:52.45 | Bmyers | was it? i thought it was dependent on 135 |
| 13:53.05 | rwhitby | so, is someone going to document the keybindings? |
| 13:53.13 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom |
| 13:53.22 | JayCanuck | bmyers, the old version wasn't, thought it required debian and directfb |
| 13:53.31 | JayCanuck | and didn't work in a card |
| 13:54.19 | atlanta | rwhitby: i was just about to ask that |
| 13:54.29 | atlanta | because im on a push button spree in this game |
| 13:54.59 | Bmyers | well nice work guys. i'll check it out a little late. real work prevents me :( |
| 13:55.02 | rwhitby | atlanta: I've added the once I know |
| 13:55.06 | rwhitby | ones I know |
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| 14:00.11 | rwhitby | zsoc: you're back? |
| 14:00.33 | freakout | rwhitby, zsoc: does it have sound? |
| 14:00.39 | rwhitby | yep |
| 14:00.49 | rwhitby | and volume keys work |
| 14:01.19 | zsoc | rwhitby: midi soundtrack should work too if I can get timidity to work |
| 14:01.22 | freakout | JayCanuck: lol, Derek is tweeting |
| 14:01.30 | freakout | you need his phone number! |
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| 14:01.50 | zsoc | JayCanuck: yeah that's the way I like it |
| 14:01.57 | zsoc | whoops, wrong window |
| 14:02.20 | zsoc | rwhitby: we should make a C sdl launching service :> |
| 14:02.35 | en0x | whats derek twitter? |
| 14:03.15 | zsoc | rwhitby: am I correct that I only saw it in the testing feeds? |
| 14:03.16 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: so is it up now? |
| 14:03.22 | rwhitby | zsoc: it's public now |
| 14:04.06 | zsoc | rwhitby: k |
| 14:05.00 | rwhitby | zsoc: can you make a video, with your voice-over? |
| 14:05.16 | rwhitby | I did a silent video, but it will take 3 hours to upload from here. |
| 14:05.17 | zsoc | wait, apple tablet? damn it, trying to steal my thunder |
| 14:05.42 | zsoc | rwhitby: you want me to go 'pew pew pew!'? let tim do it he has a pleasant voice |
| 14:05.50 | zsoc | can't video from work |
| 14:06.46 | rwhitby | zsoc: I bet JayCanuck leaked the story to Jobs, and the pushed that just to bump you off the front page. |
| 14:07.28 | zsoc | likely. |
| 14:07.55 | zsoc | JayCanuck: Jobs? really? it's over between us! |
| 14:07.57 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 14:08.09 | JayCanuck | lol, it's never over between us :p |
| 14:08.16 | freakout | zsoc: damn straight it's pleasant |
| 14:08.27 | freakout | zsoc: It's AUSTRALIAN! |
| 14:08.33 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 14:08.43 | freakout | but you will have to give me 1.3.5 first :p |
| 14:09.19 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 14:10.01 | zsoc | freakout: go doctor yourself silly. I'm sure you can figure out a hack |
| 14:13.46 | zsoc | rwhitby: we're going to need an sdl apps feed |
| 14:14.06 | zsoc | or one service/app to load and launch sdl binaries |
| 14:14.07 | rwhitby | zsoc: they're just in the webos-internals feed |
| 14:14.18 | rwhitby | zsoc: I have a plan, but you need to convince oil |
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| 14:14.33 | JayCanuck | a single service should be able to securely launch sdl apps |
| 14:14.55 | rwhitby | My plan is that SDL apps have a flag in the metadata, which causes the Launch button to call a service to run a named script in a signed app. |
| 14:14.57 | zsoc | rwhitby: I have had bad track record convincing him of anything |
| 14:15.08 | rwhitby | (the Launch button in Preware that is) |
| 14:15.31 | nfoadikt | anyone know if mythether works with 1.3.5? |
| 14:15.35 | rwhitby | if the app is not signed, you get the normal Preware confirmation screen |
| 14:15.36 | JayCanuck | rwhitby, if you had a single servivce, you could do launcher integration, with appinfo and everything |
| 14:15.59 | JayCanuck | as you'd only need to put the service call in the app-assistant |
| 14:16.20 | rwhitby | it's gotta be secure though |
| 14:16.30 | JayCanuck | yea, I can think of a few ways |
| 14:16.43 | rwhitby | can't have a rogue app dropping in a script and just having it executed because it has the right name |
| 14:16.48 | JayCanuck | I know |
| 14:17.37 | freakout | so, zsoc, here's your next project: http://d1x.warpcore.org/ |
| 14:17.48 | rwhitby | zsoc: are you going to do the homebrew-app entry? |
| 14:18.19 | zsoc | JayCanuck: I think he's saying make preware do the launching |
| 14:18.19 | JayCanuck | I have no objection to Preware integration |
| 14:18.19 | rwhitby | since I suspect you can actually install this one with fileCoaster ... |
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| 14:18.28 | zsoc | freakout: my next project is glxgears. I gotta get opengl loaded. it's complicated to find a similar opengl es library |
| 14:18.29 | JayCanuck | I'm just thinking of an addon service for launcher integration |
| 14:19.03 | zsoc | rwhitby: I'm going to do the 'work for another 8 hours'. so not unless it can wait till then. |
| 14:19.11 | rwhitby | zsoc: it can wait till then |
| 14:19.12 | freakout | zsoc: that would be nice, then we'd have numbers to play with... |
| 14:20.09 | zsoc | we should open ssh on everones device, and when someone goes to play it it should ping one of us to tunnel in and launch it |
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| 14:21.10 | freakout | lol |
| 14:21.15 | freakout | what a wonderfully bad idea |
| 14:21.20 | freakout | i love it |
| 14:21.31 | hape | zsoc|away: You are the man! I requested DOOM for fun when i got to sleep. Now i read the backlog and it's there. |
| 14:21.43 | nfoadikt | anyone? |
| 14:22.51 | rwhitby | nfoadikt: no idea, sorry. |
| 14:23.00 | zsoc | hape: I try |
| 14:23.03 | nfoadikt | thanks |
| 14:23.08 | en0x | yey the doom is fun ;D |
| 14:23.10 | zsoc | brb |
| 14:23.18 | *** part/#webos-internals zsoc (n=zsoc@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 14:23.29 | nfoadikt | is 1.3.5 a big improvement over 1.2? |
| 14:24.23 | en0x | yes |
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| 14:26.21 | zsoc | whoops |
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| 14:26.29 | atlanta | zsoc: wsup guy |
| 14:26.32 | atlanta | zsoc: good work |
| 14:27.20 | atlanta | is hoping oil creates a better start up method for doom |
| 14:28.10 | rwhitby | so the instructions in the app screen that gets launched work, right? |
| 14:28.27 | rwhitby | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2118722 |
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| 14:28.32 | atlanta | yea |
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| 14:28.54 | FreeTim3 | It's gloom and Doom on New Years from Rod Whitby ? :) |
| 14:29.45 | FreeTim3 | whoops wrong channel... please ignore |
| 14:30.07 | elpollodiablo1 | did anyone notice that after the update to 1.3.5 the time was off? |
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| 14:32.56 | en0x | not on mine |
| 14:33.55 | freakout | oh boy. it's bedtime |
| 14:33.56 | freakout | night all |
| 14:34.04 | freakout | HN1! |
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| 14:34.10 | freakout | erm. I mean HNY! :p |
| 14:35.03 | destinal | zsoc rwhitby: a front page on precentral, nice |
| 14:35.32 | zsoc | destinal: I'm waiting for the engadget |
| 14:35.35 | rwhitby | destinal: gotta work that media :-) |
| 14:36.22 | destinal | I'd say we rock but palm deserves much credit |
| 14:36.38 | atlanta | lol indeed |
| 14:36.45 | atlanta | so what did palm do to allow this |
| 14:36.45 | atlanta | ? |
| 14:36.53 | atlanta | add the opengl packages |
| 14:36.53 | atlanta | ? |
| 14:37.03 | destinal | included libsdl |
| 14:37.10 | atlanta | gotcha |
| 14:37.18 | destinal | with luna integration |
| 14:37.41 | zsoc | palm actually did everything like a boss |
| 14:37.44 | destinal | thanks, palm |
| 14:37.53 | rwhitby | destinal: and I got first comment :-) |
| 14:37.58 | zsoc | but until CES I'm taking the credit :D |
| 14:38.21 | destinal | zsoc: lol |
| 14:38.54 | rwhitby | zsoc, destinal: hats off to you guys. |
| 14:39.01 | destinal | you think we may have inadvertently stolen their thunder re announcement? |
| 14:39.06 | zsoc | atlanta: new fb driver in the kernel, super awesome full port of sdl, with presumed opengl es support, and nice dynamic luna interaction |
| 14:39.22 | elpollodiablo1 | the people in here are pretty hardcore. awesome find zsoc rwhitby destinal |
| 14:39.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: you made the channel, we just poulate it with gibberish till things happen |
| 14:40.12 | zsoc | destinal: I hope so. I'm going to make a press release identical to their CES presentarion. maybe they'll pay me to shut up lol |
| 14:40.24 | destinal | hehe |
| 14:41.31 | rwhitby | hey, it's 1:10 1/1/10 here right now |
| 14:41.44 | zsoc | rwhitby: you numerologist you |
| 14:41.50 | rwhitby | total binary datestampe |
| 14:42.09 | zsoc | oh, ha |
| 14:42.29 | rwhitby | 01:10 01/01/10 even |
| 14:42.51 | atlanta | zsoc: cool |
| 14:43.36 | destinal | happy new year rod |
| 14:44.19 | destinal | heh I guess the sdl stuff is auspiciously timed |
| 14:44.50 | rwhitby | 58MB of 165MB of my vide uploaded |
| 14:45.02 | rwhitby | webosinternals has a youtube channel now |
| 14:45.03 | atlanta | i know im late what is the video of |
| 14:45.04 | atlanta | ? |
| 14:45.16 | rwhitby | doom of course |
| 14:45.21 | atlanta | oh ok gotcha |
| 14:45.22 | atlanta | :-) |
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| 14:45.30 | atlanta | oh lalal today is the day |
| 14:45.37 | atlanta | Bmyers 's comment was funny |
| 14:45.37 | rwhitby | although at this upload rate someone else will surely have one up before ... |
| 14:45.41 | atlanta | gotta go retweet that |
| 14:47.04 | destinal | heh I think jason is worried over nothing, webos isn't dropping web based and mojo being primary any time soon |
| 14:47.11 | Bmyers | my left handed compliment.. |
| 14:47.55 | rwhitby | Bmyers: it appealed to my sense of humour |
| 14:48.54 | FreeTim3 | The update to update to 1.3.5 broke my everything... several apps tried to update and are now broken... including Classic and Evernote and AP Newswire |
| 14:49.50 | rwhitby | zsoc, destinal: did you like the choice of icon? |
| 14:50.23 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes I think it's fair :> |
| 14:51.16 | rwhitby | zsoc: let me know if you want anything changed in the wordsmithing anywhere in the packaging |
| 14:51.48 | rwhitby | I can do that quickly now if there's anything |
| 14:51.49 | destinal | so we need a launcher app and icons that call it. a also does tossing away card kill the binary or just hide? |
| 14:52.10 | rwhitby | destinal: cleanly exits binary as far as I can see |
| 14:52.10 | zsoc | rwhitby: nah it's cool. I just can't wait to get home and try to get something working with open gl |
| 14:52.43 | rwhitby | destinal: I tested that before release |
| 14:52.50 | zsoc | destinal: yeah that's part of palm sdl patch. very careful about mem leaks |
| 14:53.38 | destinal | very cool |
| 14:54.11 | destinal | what about upstart |
| 14:54.36 | rwhitby | what about it? this doesn't use it. |
| 14:54.57 | destinal | I mran for a nrw launchr |
| 14:55.04 | destinal | sry |
| 14:55.17 | rwhitby | destinal: I wanted to make the Launch button in Preware be able to start SDL apps, but oil wouldn't let me :-( |
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| 14:55.43 | rwhitby | So I created my very first webOS application using Ares :-) |
| 14:56.13 | cue79 | Hey all - figured I'd come here and ask about Doom - I'm having an issue running it - someone think they can give me a hand? It's an SDL error.. |
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| 14:57.06 | rwhitby | cue79: let me guess, you're not running 1.3.5 |
| 14:57.08 | cue79 | no |
| 14:57.11 | cue79 | running 1.3.5 |
| 14:57.24 | rwhitby | ok, we're listening :-) |
| 14:57.37 | cue79 | tells me could not initalize SDL: unable to open /dev/fb1 |
| 14:57.57 | zsoc | oh that's bad |
| 14:58.39 | rwhitby | "testing is for users" - Linus Torvalds ;-) |
| 14:58.48 | cue79 | hehe |
| 14:58.52 | cue79 | well |
| 14:58.54 | ericwait | rwhitby, i am sure that you will have this question all day and have before but how do I install Doom?! I want to impress my guests tonight at NYE party |
| 14:59.05 | cue79 | lets see - the termainl I have installed is an older version - but I don't think that would matter right? |
| 14:59.17 | cue79 | and I'm not rooted - just runnig the terminal application... |
| 14:59.19 | zsoc | rwhitby: is going to ved |
| 14:59.22 | cue79 | again - don't think it matters tho |
| 14:59.26 | zsoc | er, bed |
| 14:59.47 | atlanta | noooo rwhitby u gotta wait until the engadget post |
| 14:59.49 | atlanta | lol |
| 14:59.56 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep, I've pulled the pin and thrown the grenade, now it's time for me to leave :-) |
| 15:00.15 | cue79 | nite zsoc - thanks for makign it workable |
| 15:00.16 | zsoc | cue79: I honestly have no idea what could cause that. I want to know tho. |
| 15:00.35 | zsoc | ericwait: did you... follow the instructions? |
| 15:00.49 | cue79 | zsoc: let me know what i need to do to run a trace for you |
| 15:01.13 | ericwait | zsoc, i have only looked at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom is there a better place to look? |
| 15:01.31 | atlanta | ericwait: what are u looking for |
| 15:01.45 | atlanta | preware |
| 15:01.52 | ericwait | atlanta, doom install instruction |
| 15:02.01 | atlanta | ericwait: open preware click on everything |
| 15:02.07 | atlanta | should be the first app there |
| 15:02.09 | zsoc | ericwait: install it from preware. it gives you instrcutions |
| 15:02.17 | atlanta | and make sure u have terminal installed as well |
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| 15:02.26 | ericwait | seriously! i thought it was going to be a process |
| 15:02.48 | atlanta | negative |
| 15:02.52 | atlanta | thats the whole BREAKTHROUGH |
| 15:02.53 | atlanta | lol |
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| 15:03.11 | ird | Hmmm.. |
| 15:03.15 | ird | I just noticed hardware accelerated doom. |
| 15:03.16 | FreeTim3 | I can do the step-by-step install and add that to the wiki for it |
| 15:03.17 | ird | Cool! |
| 15:03.24 | cue79 | zsoc: is there a debug command i can run that might give us more info when I execute it? |
| 15:03.35 | atlanta | FreeTim3: theres steps? lol |
| 15:04.04 | rwhitby | FreeTim3: please do |
| 15:04.04 | jmart | hey guys, i woke up this morning to the cool news that DOOM is on Preware! awesome! however, I can't see it when I load Preware...could someone give me the commands to check the feeds manually to see if they are working properly? |
| 15:04.10 | crash_pr | good work guys! |
| 15:04.24 | en0x | and now this gonna be all day |
| 15:04.34 | zsoc | cue79: 1 sec |
| 15:04.34 | atlanta | jmart: click the app menu and select update feeds |
| 15:04.44 | ird | I wonder if it would be possible to make custom launchers for things like this. |
| 15:04.45 | cue79 | zsoc: k |
| 15:04.53 | rwhitby | en0x: yep - I get to sleep for the next 7 hours or so :-) |
| 15:04.55 | atlanta | ird: they are working on it |
| 15:05.19 | jmart | atlanta: I have it set so that the feeds update every time i launch Preware |
| 15:05.45 | atlanta | did u click list everything |
| 15:05.46 | atlanta | ? |
| 15:05.58 | rwhitby | ird: I reckon Preware should be able to launch it - what do you think ? |
| 15:06.20 | ird | rwhitby: I know that.. but. |
| 15:06.29 | zsoc | cue79: have you tried basic stuff? device restart? |
| 15:06.53 | rwhitby | ird: yeah, each needs it's own icon |
| 15:07.09 | ird | rwhitby: are there any ideas of how to do it yet? |
| 15:07.14 | cue79 | zsoc:Yup - from the terminal window itself :) I can try a full shut down if you want? |
| 15:07.16 | jmart | atlanta: even with updating feeds through menu and going to list of everything, still not there |
| 15:07.49 | zsoc | cue79: please do. there's nothing in a regular environment that an ause that error |
| 15:07.52 | rwhitby | ird: yeah, a secure service which runs signed app startup scripts |
| 15:07.54 | atlanta | jmart: wierd |
| 15:07.57 | jmart | i had this happen beffore where i couldn't find mvapp, and someone on here gave me commands that checked one of the feeds and it showed that it wasn't loaded properly and Preware wasn't downloading the apps from it |
| 15:08.07 | ird | rwhitby: I had the right idea then.. |
| 15:08.28 | rwhitby | jmart: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update |
| 15:08.49 | cue79 | zsoc: ok turning power off via power button and will let it boot back up.. |
| 15:08.56 | rwhitby | ird: written in C ;-) |
| 15:10.10 | atlanta | did someone tip engadget already im sure someone did right |
| 15:10.30 | cue79 | zsoc: while rebooting - will tell you have a bunch of patches installed (can EPR if you think it might help) and did reinstall preware via webosquickinstall after 1.3.5 upgrade - no problems doing so. MyTeather paid version also installed and have used the patch back and forth for that (don't think any of that has any bearing, but figured I'd give you a complete list of what's going on with the device) |
| 15:10.36 | ird | rwhitby: preware can't launch doom btw :p |
| 15:10.38 | rwhitby | surely they follow @webosinternals on twitter ... |
| 15:10.43 | ird | It just gives instructions on how to. |
| 15:10.47 | zsoc | atlanta: they have a guy that reads PC |
| 15:10.49 | ird | Or was that the joke all along... |
| 15:11.00 | atlanta | zsoc: ok :-) |
| 15:11.07 | rwhitby | ird: I had a way worked out to do it, but oil wouldn't let me add it. |
| 15:11.31 | jmart | rwhitby: got an error, command failed with return value 1: 'wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-frVIEA http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/all/Packages.pz' |
| 15:11.32 | ird | ~smack oil |
| 15:11.33 | infobot | ACTION smacks oil upside the head. |
| 15:11.33 | rwhitby | is just the packaging monkey ;-) |
| 15:11.35 | zsoc | cue79: there should be no patches that would effect this |
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| 15:11.54 | cue79 | zsoc: figured as much. |
| 15:11.58 | rwhitby | jmart: that means your package manager service is not installed properly |
| 15:12.00 | tictac_ | im trying to find more keys for doom. |
| 15:12.32 | jmart | rwhitby: should i try to uninstall and reinstall via QI? |
| 15:12.42 | tictac_ | has updated the wiki with his finding. |
| 15:12.43 | zsoc | tictac: there won't be till I bind more |
| 15:13.06 | zsoc | gives tictac a cookie |
| 15:13.12 | destinal | rwhitby: I think an upstart service is next since we dint know how palm means for us to do it officially |
| 15:13.14 | zsoc | all wiki updaters get a cookie |
| 15:13.17 | cue79 | zsoc: no dice |
| 15:13.21 | tictac_ | oh, well damn. ive found about a total of maybe 10 bindings |
| 15:13.25 | cue79 | zsoc: full reboot and all - same issue |
| 15:13.39 | aCrazyPenguin13 | weapon cycle would be a good keybind |
| 15:13.43 | zsoc | cue79: no, you're a liar |
| 15:13.47 | cue79 | zsoc: :) |
| 15:13.48 | atlanta | lmfaooo |
| 15:13.56 | cue79 | zsoc: don't know if it should be there - but in dev there is no fbl |
| 15:14.09 | zsoc | I know |
| 15:14.14 | cue79 | zsoc: ok.. just checking |
| 15:14.15 | cue79 | :) |
| 15:14.40 | cue79 | zsoc: do you want me to EPR it? also I am in Dev mode |
| 15:14.45 | zsoc | cue79: wait, you have no /dev/fb1? |
| 15:14.55 | cue79 | zsoc: correct - and I am on 1.3.5 |
| 15:15.03 | cue79 | i have fb |
| 15:15.07 | cue79 | fb |
| 15:15.08 | cue79 | fb0 |
| 15:15.09 | cue79 | fd |
| 15:15.09 | cue79 | full |
| 15:15.10 | tictac_ | aCrazyPenguin13: its there already. ORANGE + # to change weapons |
| 15:15.10 | cue79 | fuse |
| 15:15.12 | zsoc | cue79: no you aren't. your kernel didn't update |
| 15:15.21 | cue79 | zsoc: device info shows 1.3.5 |
| 15:15.25 | cue79 | i'm gonna need to doctor aren't i |
| 15:15.39 | rwhitby | cue79: have you rebooted since 1.3.5 ? |
| 15:15.48 | cue79 | of course - ton's of times |
| 15:15.51 | zsoc | cue79: palm might be curious about this. hey wait |
| 15:15.55 | cue79 | hell I had to reinstall preware as it didnt' work after i did the update |
| 15:16.01 | cue79 | reinstalled all my patches |
| 15:16.03 | cue79 | device info shows 1.3.5 |
| 15:16.09 | zsoc | cue79: have you done a full shutdown, not restart? |
| 15:16.11 | tictac_ | my pre didnt update to 1.3.5 so i had to webdoctor to get there. |
| 15:16.22 | cue79 | zsoc: yes - using power button shut down like i was pul;ling battery |
| 15:16.35 | tictac_ | i got the triangle of failure. |
| 15:16.50 | zsoc | hmm.. I wonder if there's another way to test kernel version... |
| 15:17.11 | zsoc | cue79: oh wait |
| 15:17.16 | atlanta | is wondering what other games we can port over |
| 15:17.20 | zsoc | cue79: check uh... lsmod |
| 15:17.24 | rwhitby | ok, I'l outta here - good night all and happy new year for when it happens to you wherever you are |
| 15:17.42 | cue79 | sr9xxx size 282136 - bridgedriver 187924 |
| 15:17.50 | cue79 | both used by 1 |
| 15:17.58 | tictac_ | atlanta: hexen :P |
| 15:18.20 | cue79 | zsoc: if you want to hit the sack I completely understand - i can either doctor it or can leave it in this state until you wake back up and want to work more on it |
| 15:18.22 | zsoc | cue79: you're looking for pvrsrvkm |
| 15:18.38 | cue79 | zsoc: just tyep the lsmod command or do i have to do something else? |
| 15:18.49 | cue79 | zsoc: only know enough linux to be dangerous |
| 15:18.56 | aCrazyPenguin13 | rwhitby: happy new year and thanks for the great work |
| 15:18.59 | rwhitby | video is halfway uploaded |
| 15:19.09 | rwhitby | aCrazyPenguin13: zsoc did the work, I just packaged it |
| 15:19.44 | aCrazyPenguin13 | rwhitby: : not just doom but all year |
| 15:19.46 | cue79 | zsoc: lsmod only shows me sr9xxx and bridgedriver |
| 15:19.47 | rwhitby | you guys are gonna laugh or cry when you see this video I made. my very first upload to youtube ever |
| 15:20.10 | rwhitby | a silent movie, extremely amateur |
| 15:20.48 | cue79 | zsoc: err sd8xxx |
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| 15:21.34 | ericwait | alright i didn't think it was going to be that easy, got ErrorGenericMethodException when installing doom :( |
| 15:21.53 | ericwait | can anyone give me a couple pointers? |
| 15:22.14 | atlanta | preware gave u that error? |
| 15:22.46 | ericwait | yep, do you want any more of the verbiage? |
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| 15:23.47 | jmart | hey guys, rwhitby told me i needed to reinstall my package manager service...can anyone tell me how to do it via terminal b/c it's not showing up in Device Management of WOSQI and Preware wouldn't let me do it |
| 15:25.10 | atlanta | jmart: use wosqi just to install it agai |
| 15:25.20 | ericwait | atlanta, should i go in and manually get rid of the ipkg? |
| 15:25.32 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 15:25.54 | atlanta | was there any thing else in the log |
| 15:25.54 | atlanta | ? |
| 15:26.24 | ericwait | atlanta, preware says that either the ipkg or package index are corrupt. try 'ipkg update' |
| 15:26.39 | atlanta | yea try that and see what happens |
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| 15:27.06 | atlanta | if that doesnt work reinstall the ipkg package manager |
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| 15:27.34 | ericwait | atlanta, will try |
| 15:27.47 | jmart | atlanta: I'm a dipshit and closed the window that had the command rwhitby gave me to check the feeds...could you scroll up and find it and paste it for me? sorry.... |
| 15:27.57 | en0x | i wonder how many uses that backup utility thAt is in preware |
| 15:28.29 | atlanta | en0x: lol |
| 15:28.53 | atlanta | jmart: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update |
| 15:28.58 | zsoc | cue79: still there? sorry I was caught up at work |
| 15:29.01 | jmart | thanks, sorry bout that |
| 15:29.34 | atlanta | no problem |
| 15:29.41 | cue79 | zsoc: yup |
| 15:29.56 | cue79 | zsoc: actually installing wirc so i can do this while I get on the road :) |
| 15:29.58 | ericwait | atlanta, stupid question, can I remove the ipkg manager from preware? |
| 15:30.13 | zsoc | cue79: what was the result of lsmod looking for that module |
| 15:30.15 | atlanta | use woqi |
| 15:30.17 | atlanta | wqi |
| 15:30.53 | cue79 | zsoc: I only got the two modules that cmae up listed above |
| 15:31.03 | cue79 | zsoc: is there something further i needed to do other then just typing lsmod? |
| 15:31.46 | zsoc | cue79: you don't have 135 :p |
| 15:31.57 | cue79 | zsoc: hah - i def upgraded tho and device info shows it |
| 15:32.02 | cue79 | zsoc: I assume a doctor is in oprder |
| 15:32.07 | cue79 | zsoc: Adn we'll call this a "bad " upgrade? |
| 15:32.08 | zsoc | cue79: you could try loading that module? |
| 15:32.24 | cue79 | zsoc: help on how todo that? |
| 15:32.50 | zsoc | modprobe pvrsrvkm |
| 15:32.51 | cue79 | zsoc: because my apps do exist inside the cryprtofs |
| 15:32.57 | jmart | what does fixing unknown packages do in preware? |
| 15:33.15 | cue79 | zsoc: module pvrsrvkm not found |
| 15:33.33 | jmart | because my preware fixes like 186 packages whenever i open it |
| 15:33.34 | tictac_ | i wish we could screenshot doom from within the game, instead of getting the black screen. |
| 15:33.35 | cue79 | zsoc: so I have a half screwred up upgrade |
| 15:34.05 | cue79 | zsoc: well at least that's logical :) doctor here I come I guess - unless you want any toher info from my device before I kill it to help others |
| 15:34.16 | zsoc | cue79: seems like you're just plain missing your kernel module |
| 15:34.23 | cue79 | zsoc: wheee! |
| 15:34.27 | zsoc | I hope we don't see a lot of it |
| 15:34.41 | zsoc | cue79: I would docotor :D |
| 15:34.43 | cue79 | zsoc: well, an easy enough test is to see if you're missing the fdl in the dev directory I guess |
| 15:34.44 | cue79 | :) |
| 15:35.06 | cue79 | zsoc: ok - will do - I'll post to the precentral thread after I doctor about it working :) |
| 15:35.12 | cue79 | zsoc: gnite :) |
| 15:35.19 | zsoc | cue79: later |
| 15:35.28 | ird | zsoc: I have to say. |
| 15:35.31 | ird | Cool :D |
| 15:35.48 | zsoc | ird: xD |
| 15:36.32 | ird | Was getting the screen tap to shoot hard? Or is it just like any other key binding? |
| 15:37.26 | zsoc | ird: it's bound to mouse click |
| 15:37.51 | ird | ah |
| 15:37.55 | ird | That makes sense. |
| 15:38.29 | ird | I wish I had the patience to do this kind of stuff. |
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| 15:38.43 | zsoc | ird: palm did it all |
| 15:38.59 | ird | What did you do then? |
| 15:39.19 | zsoc | ird: typed make |
| 15:39.23 | ird | lol |
| 15:39.28 | ird | that's what I was thinking.. |
| 15:39.57 | zsoc | ird: I mean the whole arm compile thing and the funny irregular sdl libs |
| 15:40.13 | ird | Anything exciting on the gstservice? |
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| 15:41.24 | bpadalino | did rwhitby ever finish uploading his first youtube video ? |
| 15:41.45 | tictac_ | too bad we cant use a blue tooth mouse with the pre... |
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| 15:43.06 | Zorin | rubs his eyes, "DOOM? Seriously?? Damn, go to sleep one day, wake up the next and suddenly my phone is a decent gaming platform. You guys rock." |
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| 15:43.24 | tictac_ | Zorin: yes. im on level 4. |
| 15:44.01 | bpadalino | i am still interested in seeing what hardware palm is going to reveal that has dedicated play/pause/prev/next buttons |
| 15:44.27 | ird | bpadalino: where did you hear this? |
| 15:44.41 | bpadalino | ird, there is a hid test program .. |
| 15:44.42 | bpadalino | run that |
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| 15:44.53 | bpadalino | and on one of the screens you can see all the buttons and if they are activated or not |
| 15:44.55 | zsoc | aaaannnddd I crashed luna |
| 15:45.13 | bpadalino | including the 'blob' button .. and now there is a 'Jack' button .. as well as play/pause/next/prev |
| 15:45.14 | zsoc | we should make a terminal with the new framebuffer access instead of an npapi |
| 15:45.20 | ird | bpadalino: is there something in the wiki about it? |
| 15:45.23 | bpadalino | no |
| 15:45.26 | bpadalino | i don't think so |
| 15:45.41 | ird | do I need to go modify the json file or something then? |
| 15:45.48 | tictac_ | doom is hard with the limited keybindings. |
| 15:45.48 | ird | like hiding or unhiding the other apps. |
| 15:45.58 | Zorin | I'm wondering if SDL will allow a faster/ more responsive / more capable Terminal app, too. |
| 15:46.04 | bpadalino | ird, it's a commandline thing to run |
| 15:46.16 | ird | ah |
| 15:46.16 | ird | ok |
| 15:46.17 | ird | got it |
| 15:46.21 | bpadalino | connect using novaterm and type hid then tab... i forgot the name of the executable :( |
| 15:46.26 | bpadalino | hidtest or something |
| 15:46.30 | bpadalino | hiddemo ? |
| 15:46.31 | Zorin | I've notcied a couple Luna crashes since 1.3.5. Mostly when running Terminal |
| 15:47.18 | zsoc | Zorin: yep, I an almost comepletely confidently say terminal and 135 do not play nice |
| 15:47.30 | zsoc | destinal: did you do the original terminal work? |
| 15:48.11 | Zorin | Hmm. Well it's a relief to know it's not just me. |
| 15:48.37 | Zorin | Both times in my case it's happened while swiping Terminal away. |
| 15:49.42 | jmart | happened to me once just a minute ago |
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| 15:52.04 | destinal-wirc | zsoc: man playing doom with pre keyboard is awkward. :) |
| 15:52.21 | oil | pointed that out last night |
| 15:52.45 | Zorin | I wish the Pre had kept the four way directional pad and more hardware buttons. I remember playing NES games really well on my Treo. Fat chance on the Pre :( |
| 15:52.50 | bpadalino | mod your pre to add screen rotation to the sliding .. i think some people already have it! |
| 15:53.04 | jmart | still not seeing doom....rwhitby had me run ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update, got an error the first time, reinstalled package manager service. now...when i run it again, no errors, but i'm still not seeing doom, can anyone help? |
| 15:53.18 | destinal-wirc | oil: we need an upstart service and maybe a manager card |
| 15:53.21 | ChrisXS | Zorin: Use a bluetooth gaming peripheral like a wiimote or sixaxis |
| 15:53.52 | destinal-wirc | since we don't have docs on official way to launch things |
| 15:53.55 | oil | http://forums.precentral.net/showpost.php?p=2118866&postcount=51 |
| 15:54.00 | oil | best post sofar |
| 15:54.05 | ChrisXS | the pre needs a head mount to free your hands for gaming |
| 15:54.32 | destinal-wirc | use touchstone,but then you have to sit |
| 15:54.32 | ChrisXS | tape it to the bill of a baseball cap |
| 15:54.32 | atlanta | oil: indeed lol |
| 15:54.50 | Zorin | I wish the Pre had bluetooth keyboard support. |
| 15:54.54 | destinal-wirc | lol 4 doom cards |
| 15:54.58 | tictac_ | heh |
| 15:55.00 | Zorin | I'm not sure why that's so hard to implement. |
| 15:55.06 | ChrisXS | n810 does... |
| 15:55.30 | ChrisXS | old treos had external keyboard support |
| 15:55.33 | oil | if the n810 jumped off a bridge would you want your pre to follow? |
| 15:55.35 | Zorin | I'd love to get one of those super-slim Apple bluetooth keyboards and keep it in my bag.. if I get into a long text message conversation I can just pull it out. |
| 15:55.48 | destinal-wirc | zorin: you're right, now I will be forced to try to hack on bluetooth |
| 15:55.59 | tictac_ | Zorin: if? thats like multiple times a day for me. |
| 15:56.03 | ChrisXS | n810 was super slow. i played duken3d on it |
| 15:56.05 | atlanta | doom releases and precentral comes to a craql |
| 15:56.08 | atlanta | crawl |
| 15:56.24 | Rick_work | jmart you're in 135, and you have the latest preware and the latest package manager and you've updated feeds? |
| 15:56.27 | tictac_ | Zorin: ive reverted to using google voice for sms lately. i can type texts using a keyboard. |
| 15:56.33 | Zorin | And before someone says "just call them".. can't always do that. |
| 15:56.38 | jmart | rick_work: yes |
| 15:57.04 | tictac_ | destinal-wirc: go for it. |
| 15:57.21 | ChrisXS | if i'm going to whip out a keyboard from my bag, i might as well whip out a foleo |
| 15:57.26 | ChrisXS | i want a foleo :-) |
| 15:57.57 | ChrisXS | a foleo which runs WebOS of course |
| 15:57.59 | destinal-wirc | I have the palm keyboard with stand.. stand fits pre |
| 15:58.01 | Rick_work | jamrt that sucks |
| 15:58.19 | ird | bpadalino: ondevicedemo? |
| 15:58.24 | bpadalino | ird, no |
| 15:58.28 | bpadalino | it starts with hid .. |
| 15:58.35 | bpadalino | let me get my cable out and find it .. |
| 15:58.37 | jmart | does anyone else have like 150 something themes that are listed under the available other category in preware? everytime i launch Preware, it has to fix 187 unknown packages and i think the themes are part of that |
| 15:58.45 | Zorin | I have the old Palm keyboard that uses IR |
| 15:59.12 | jmart | rick_work: hahahaha, yeah, it does...sucks b/c i've had so few problems iwth my pre |
| 15:59.45 | bpadalino | hiddaig |
| 15:59.47 | bpadalino | erm |
| 15:59.50 | bpadalino | ird, hiddiag |
| 15:59.51 | ird | ah |
| 15:59.54 | ird | thanks |
| 15:59.55 | tictac_ | jmart: so disable the theme feeds. i do. ill never use those |
| 15:59.56 | bpadalino | np |
| 16:00.03 | bpadalino | there are some interesting tests there |
| 16:00.19 | bpadalino | but the keyboard one shows all the sensors .. and there are some boxes i can't get to light up |
| 16:00.22 | jmart | tictac_: i think it's just indicative that my preware isn't working properly |
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| 16:01.17 | ChrisXS | webos can easily add bluetooth hid support in the future. low priority. bigger fish to fry |
| 16:01.23 | destinal-wirc | bpadalino: cool, that'll help with my hidd hacking |
| 16:01.27 | ChrisXS | i wonder if obex has been hacked on |
| 16:01.32 | ird | bpadalino: so it can tell how hard you're touching the screen? |
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| 16:01.49 | bpadalino | destinal-wirc: yeah - it's a pretty interesting diagnostic .. |
| 16:01.57 | bpadalino | ird, not sure about that .. does it? |
| 16:02.03 | ird | "touch level" |
| 16:02.10 | ird | But it starts rising if you even get close.. |
| 16:02.19 | bpadalino | capacitive screens are like that |
| 16:02.25 | bpadalino | don't need to touch to get it to register |
| 16:02.33 | ird | that happens to me a lot. |
| 16:02.49 | bpadalino | so it may just be the level of capacitance .. nothing to do with force exerted by your finger |
| 16:03.46 | tictac_ | doh. hiddiag froze the pre. |
| 16:04.14 | bpadalino | nah .. it kills luna, though |
| 16:04.20 | bpadalino | you need to restart luna |
| 16:04.28 | tlp | I take it from the news on precentral that directfb/luna project is now moot |
| 16:04.35 | tlp | PuffTheMagic: you going to re-package fceu? :p |
| 16:05.04 | destinal-wirc | bpadalino: yeah, a bit redundant now |
| 16:05.22 | destinal-wirc | err that should have been tlp' |
| 16:05.24 | tlp | ah |
| 16:05.25 | bpadalino | yeah i figured :) |
| 16:05.42 | tlp | glad Palm still has some surprises for us. |
| 16:06.02 | tlp | SDL support is awesome. |
| 16:06.17 | destinal-wirc | new year gift of sdl from palm? :) |
| 16:06.30 | tlp | haha, indeed |
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| 16:06.54 | destinal-wirc | thanks palm,but I didn't get you anything,oh noed |
| 16:06.57 | destinal-wirc | s |
| 16:06.58 | tlp | so uh, I wonder if there is an SDL terminal out there |
| 16:07.01 | tlp | i.e. hardware acceleration |
| 16:07.13 | ird | What's the difference between bin and sbin? |
| 16:07.19 | Abyssul | zsoc never ceases to amaze |
| 16:07.20 | tlp | sbin is for superuser stuff |
| 16:07.20 | bpadalino | super user |
| 16:07.33 | Zorin | I'd love to see a terminal app as nice as the one on Android. I was impressed by it when I saw it on my friend's Droid. |
| 16:07.41 | Zorin | Not sure how hard that would be to implement. |
| 16:07.47 | destinal-wirc | tlp: I have been looking at that very thing |
| 16:07.52 | tlp | awesome |
| 16:08.31 | destinal-wirc | terminal is partly my baby but I wouldn't mind if it were obsoleted |
| 16:08.45 | tlp | yeah, it's always sad to see something go, but so is the march of progress |
| 16:09.28 | Zorin | Terminal is awesome, actually. Though 99% of my usage of it is to ssh to other places |
| 16:09.31 | tlp | I'm actually having some good luck with it and irssi recently |
| 16:09.35 | Zorin | I have a bunch of shell scripts in ~/bin to ssh to each of my common hosts. |
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| 16:09.42 | tlp | wIRC doesn't work with irssi proxy, and I like having a buffer |
| 16:09.52 | elpollodiablo1 | Engadget has the pre and doom |
| 16:10.38 | destinal-wirc | it's good enough to use, don't get me wrong,but sdldoom runs faster :P |
| 16:10.40 | Zorin | That's like saying a washing machine runs faster than a toaster oven. :) |
| 16:10.41 | destinal-wirc | (than terminal) |
| 16:11.10 | ericwait | atlanta, got it working, doom that is. there is a strafe right but no strafe left :( no big deal. thanks |
| 16:11.20 | tlp | It looks like there's a library out there for creating an SDL terminal |
| 16:11.30 | destinal-wirc | well the gfx performance of terminal SHOULD be as good or better than an fps |
| 16:11.37 | destinal-wirc | but is not |
| 16:12.57 | destinal-wirc | it's because we are rather awkwardly stuffing stuff into the browsers screen buffer rather than using a solid gfx lib |
| 16:13.02 | ird | We need 4D terminal. |
| 16:13.04 | Abyssul | PreCentral says Doom is in Preware, but I would beg to differ |
| 16:13.11 | destinal-wirc | it is |
| 16:13.14 | ird | Abyssul: it is |
| 16:13.17 | Abyssul | under what? |
| 16:13.25 | ird | Just list everything and type doom |
| 16:13.27 | oil | under... preware |
| 16:13.28 | ird | but it's under apps |
| 16:13.30 | Abyssul | Ive updated feeds and searched under everything |
| 16:13.39 | mdklein | omg, I just got GLES running... granted it's launched from the console, but the sdk demos compile and run. |
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| 16:14.55 | FreeTim3 | added install and how-to-launch instructions to the DOOM page |
| 16:14.57 | PuffTheMagic | tlp: nope |
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| 16:15.56 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: so do you know if anyone has started on an upstart service yet? this would be a good time to have one since we haven't learned how palm intends us to start up sdl apps, but upstart would work fine for now |
| 16:16.09 | perseus | anyone notice that linux apps and services installed before upgrading to 1.3.5 aren't recognized as installed by latest preware and PMS on 1.3.5? I ran EMH to on effect |
| 16:16.44 | Abyssul | Does this mean that it might be possible to put the GB emulator in a separate card instead of relying on the terminal app? |
| 16:17.00 | oil | cards ftw |
| 16:17.00 | FreeTim3 | I am having tons of issues with the 1.3.5 more than 8 of my apps no longer work or update |
| 16:17.16 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: how does an upstart service help with sdl apps.... sdl apps work in cards, there is no need to leave luna |
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| 16:19.56 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: no i havent started on an upstart service yet... i looked at it when I started the C services |
| 16:20.07 | PuffTheMagic | it should be pretty easy |
| 16:20.16 | PuffTheMagic | would be easier if upstart was newer |
| 16:20.19 | Rick_work | four doom cards open at once - zsoc ftw!! |
| 16:20.20 | PuffTheMagic | and included the dbus api |
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| 16:20.50 | Abyssul | doom still isnt showing up for me.... weird |
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| 16:21.32 | FreeTim3 | Abyssul: Refresh your feeds. Maybe you have them set to only update once per day |
| 16:21.48 | FreeTim3 | It's a setting the Preware Preferences |
| 16:21.54 | Abyssul | They update every time it starts |
| 16:22.00 | Abyssul | and the correct feeds are turned on |
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| 16:24.08 | FreeTim3 | Anyone else know? -for me, changing the Preware preference to update feeds is what made it show up on mine |
| 16:24.50 | Abyssul | Under the WebOS-Internals feed, it only says "feed" not a link like the other feeds. |
| 16:25.24 | Abyssul | Seems like that feed isnt loading right for me, I cant find terminal either |
| 16:25.47 | zsoc | rick_home: lol rick. only you |
| 16:25.57 | Rick_work | not only me. |
| 16:26.04 | Rick_work | there's a post in precentral zsoc. |
| 16:26.07 | Rick_work | You ROCK man. |
| 16:26.20 | Abyssul | link? |
| 16:26.52 | steveapos | lol zsoc I thought you were kidding last night before I went to sleep and I wake up and dooms all over twitter and precentral |
| 16:27.14 | Rick_work | Abyssul front page of precentral |
| 16:27.18 | Rick_work | front page of engadget |
| 16:27.27 | Abyssul | oh ya |
| 16:27.27 | Rick_work | Zsoc RULES THE PHONE |
| 16:27.36 | steveapos | getting ready to launch as we speak better have those 11tymillion frames you promised :) |
| 16:27.55 | Zorin | Need to port Timidity to get music going ;) |
| 16:29.03 | Zorin | The Pre runs Doom better than my 486SX/25 did back in 1993 when I first played it o.O |
| 16:29.12 | steveapos | hah |
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| 16:31.20 | Abyssul | Is it safe to install Doom with WebOS QI? |
| 16:31.42 | egaudet_work | "webOS hacker extraordinaire zsoc" |
| 16:31.45 | egaudet_work | NICE! |
| 16:31.49 | luwangui | hi, i'm trying to run the metadoctor under ubuntu, but i'm getting an error that says cp: cannot stat `/home/mortan/.ssh/authorized_keys': No such file or directory |
| 16:31.57 | Zorin | installs DOOM, but cheats and writes a shell script to launch it so he doesn't have to do so much typing. |
| 16:32.09 | ird | luwangui: type ssh-keygen |
| 16:32.16 | ird | then |
| 16:32.43 | ird | Uhh.. |
| 16:32.43 | Abyssul | Share that script Zorin :p |
| 16:32.54 | luwangui | it asks where to save the key |
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| 16:33.35 | Zorin | It's just the same lines that are in the launching instructions. |
| 16:33.51 | Abyssul | Im not as skilled :p |
| 16:35.00 | ird | luwangui: just hit enter |
| 16:35.26 | Zorin | Abyssul: http://webos.pastebin.com/m4b24a32f |
| 16:35.33 | Zorin | Not much more to it :) |
| 16:35.46 | egaudet_work | 3 cd's in a row |
| 16:35.53 | egaudet_work | people fear long lines :P |
| 16:36.07 | Zorin | Nah, I just copypastaed because I'm lazy this morning. |
| 16:36.14 | tictac_ | Zorin: i did the same thing. |
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| 16:38.38 | Rick_work | is there any reason someone couldn't write a tiny tiny tiny doom launcher service and have a headless app call it? |
| 16:39.30 | ird | Rick_work: No, go ahead :d |
| 16:39.44 | Rick_work | No cross-compile chain here. |
| 16:40.02 | Rick_work | need to do that. |
| 16:40.06 | Abyssul | Wish we could make .sh scripts have a shortcut in the launcher, but thats a big no-no |
| 16:40.25 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: wouldn't you not wanta headless app? |
| 16:40.25 | Rick_work | Abyssul, I've been thinking about that. |
| 16:40.43 | Abyssul | If it was even possible, that could be a security risk, no? |
| 16:40.52 | egaudet_work | oh wait nevermind I get it |
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| 16:41.22 | Rick_work | Abyssul Since a db is accessable only to the app that owns it, we could put a db in with a luna app that has a list of "preware approved binary apps" |
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| 16:41.52 | Abyssul | Rick_work: Now that sounds like a good idea |
| 16:41.54 | Rick_work | then, have a list that says "Launch what" and it calls the "run this script" service with the name of the script |
| 16:42.02 | egaudet_work | is there any way to make a database that is not app specific? |
| 16:42.11 | Rick_work | egaudet_work no |
| 16:43.33 | Rick_work | so, if we had a service that would run scripts contained in a SPECIFIC directory.... and the scripts were all xxxxxxx.preware then we could call the file service to get *.preware, and get a list of what scripts EXISTED so we would know what binary apps had been installed... |
| 16:43.41 | Rick_work | and then list those from the db. |
| 16:43.54 | Rick_work | or better yet, just pull in a JSON with our "approved list" |
| 16:43.58 | Rick_work | so updating is easy. |
| 16:43.59 | Zorin | That sounds good.. or just a basic shell script launching app. |
| 16:44.13 | Zorin | Potential security nightmare, but... then what isn't these days? :) |
| 16:44.16 | Rick_work | zorin, there's a HUGE problem with a shell script launching app. |
| 16:44.20 | Rick_work | we're not going there. |
| 16:44.29 | Rick_work | but we COULD make it "sort of safe." |
| 16:44.36 | Rick_work | and we kind of have a reason to now. |
| 16:44.57 | Abyssul | DOOM, GB emulator, and probably a few other scripts |
| 16:45.02 | Rick_work | ((( By the way, does this imply that terminal could be re-written as an sdl app easily? :-) ))) |
| 16:45.16 | zsoc | egaudet: lol yes I saw that. what a joke |
| 16:45.24 | Zorin | mycroft_: Are you the Mycroft I know from elsewhere? |
| 16:45.28 | Zorin | It'd be a small world if you are. Heh. |
| 16:45.49 | Rick_work | Abyssul exactly, we have a list of things that would be straightforward to cross compile. we could have a "Preware Game Pack" out before CES. |
| 16:46.08 | Rick_work | which would be nice to have on my phone there. :-) |
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| 16:46.31 | mycroft_ | Nope, sorry Zorin |
| 16:46.55 | Zorin | Ahh, okay. |
| 16:46.55 | Abyssul | I hate playing my GB games on the terminal app |
| 16:47.00 | zsoc | rick_home: preware I'd going to verify signature then launch sdl apps |
| 16:47.01 | Tibfib | Well done on the DOOM app guys! |
| 16:47.05 | Abyssul | Cant answer phone cals and messages |
| 16:47.21 | zsoc | Tibfib: palm did all the work. we're stealing their thunder ;) |
| 16:47.37 | Zorin | I hope they get rolling with an official native SDK soon. |
| 16:47.50 | Tibfib | It is still very impressive |
| 16:48.00 | zsoc | Zorin: nah, webgl js wrapper for opengl is good enough |
| 16:48.02 | Abyssul | Im pretty sure everyone knows they are presenting GPU access and flash at CES |
| 16:48.08 | Zorin | This is all wonderful and fun but unless people can submit such apps into the official app catalog, it's only ever going to be for us geeks. |
| 16:48.09 | Abyssul | If not, it will be disappointing |
| 16:49.20 | Tibfib | Yeah, Palm has the potential to announce great stuff, or they will fall on their faces |
| 16:49.20 | Rick_work | Zorin, app catalog binary is coming. |
| 16:49.26 | Zorin | I wouldn't be surprised if Classic were ported to use SDL soon. It'd be a lot more responsive and capable. |
| 16:49.26 | chezbi | hey guys i was wondering how to add the webos-internals irc chat room into the wIRC app on the pre |
| 16:49.31 | Rick_work | the infrastructure has to be there first. |
| 16:49.49 | Zorin | Even stuff like wIRC can't be in the official app catalog yet. |
| 16:50.23 | Rick_work | Zorin, patience. |
| 16:50.42 | Rick_work | ok, there's an sdl of gameboy. |
| 16:50.52 | Abyssul | WHERE? |
| 16:51.06 | chezbi | anyone? |
| 16:51.06 | Tibfib | Game Boy emulator would be Sweeeeat |
| 16:51.06 | zsoc | rick_home: all emulators have sdl ports |
| 16:51.21 | Abyssul | Tibfib, we have one. Its just limited |
| 16:51.30 | Zorin | I'm patient. I got the Pre because I am. I love being on a platform and seeing it grow up around me. Was like that with OS X and now with the Pre :) |
| 16:51.41 | Rick_work | zsoc how much effort to cross compile each one? |
| 16:51.59 | Tibfib | Abyssul: Yeah, I'm waiting for one that's a bit easier to set up...hah |
| 16:52.04 | egaudet_work | Rick_work: there is a very interesting way that auto-correct edit runs pre-packed scripts from it's own jar |
| 16:52.19 | zsoc | rick_home: I forsee porting with minimal effort for simple stuff like gb and nes, snes gets more complicated with audio issues |
| 16:52.28 | zsoc | I want to get psx working ;) |
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| 16:52.40 | egaudet_work | it would be possible to pre-pack into the jar service the games, but then again that would mean updating the service for any new one |
| 16:52.42 | Rick_work | zsoc, is there an sdl of stella? I'm old. |
| 16:52.44 | ird | zsoc: ff7 on the pre would own |
| 16:52.49 | Tibfib | Or like that amazing guy off youtube, PS3 working! |
| 16:53.11 | ird | Tibfib: the guy that looks like he lives in LA? |
| 16:53.15 | Rick_work | egaudet_work yea, but we would have to update for each new game anyway using the paradigm I was talking about. |
| 16:53.32 | Abyssul | chezbi: Go to Server Information and hit the "Advanced" button. Go down to Perform on Connect and type in "/join #webos-internals" |
| 16:53.49 | Rick_work | egaudet_work that's a VERY good idea actually, it's very safe. If the link to the game isn't in the service, you can't run it. |
| 16:53.54 | Tibfib | ird: I dont remember... I didnt watch all of the vid... It was easy to tell it was fake |
| 16:53.55 | Abyssul | chezbi: Also hit auto-connect on Yes |
| 16:54.09 | egaudet_work | yep |
| 16:54.22 | Abyssul | Chezbi: Make sure the server address is irc.freenode.net as well |
| 16:54.40 | egaudet_work | the script is packed right out of the jar so it's safe that you can't overwrite the script either, unless you re-pack the jar with it |
| 16:55.02 | Rick_work | this sounds like a good idea. |
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| 16:55.54 | chezbi | thanks Abyssul!!!! |
| 16:55.57 | Rick_work | So you pack each startup script into the jar, and then the luna app shows a list of scripts (which it gets each time it's updated too with a new json) and then just calls the right script out of the jar which calls the app. |
| 16:56.47 | Rick_work | or, if the app isn't installed, returns a fail to the launcher, and the launcher says "you haven't installed doom yet." |
| 16:56.52 | Abyssul | Are we just theorizing here or is this actually going to turn into a project? |
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| 16:57.06 | Rick_work | Design discussion. |
| 16:57.18 | Rick_work | can't start writing code until you have a design that is safe and rational |
| 16:59.21 | zsoc | rick_home: seriously, just let preware launch it :> |
| 16:59.52 | Rick_work | zsoc: seriously? Add a new thing in preware to launch binary apps? |
| 17:00.08 | Rick_work | So I have to set through the feed updating every time I want to run doom? |
| 17:00.14 | Rick_work | zsoc, I don't think so. |
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| 17:01.41 | Abyssul | Ahhh its Jay |
| 17:01.49 | JayCanuck | hi Abyssul |
| 17:01.57 | Rick_work | JayCanuck |
| 17:01.57 | zsoc | rick_home: only sdl. rod wants it. we can verify sig |
| 17:02.21 | JayCanuck | I'm browsin the web while I work through watchin the blu ray sets I got for xmas, lol |
| 17:02.32 | Rick_work | zsoc -- it's a wrong-headed way to go. |
| 17:02.41 | Rick_work | and aren't you up kinda late? |
| 17:02.54 | Rick_work | (or early?) |
| 17:02.59 | JayCanuck | Rick_work, ya talkin to me? |
| 17:03.09 | Rick_work | just ment to say hi |
| 17:03.12 | JayCanuck | ;) |
| 17:03.14 | JayCanuck | hi |
| 17:03.30 | JayCanuck | 11:03am here |
| 17:03.49 | JayCanuck | I'm on to Xmen Origins Wolverine, lol, next up Bones season 4, lol, long day |
| 17:04.05 | en0x | i watched couple days back |
| 17:04.05 | zsoc | JayCanuck: season 4 was good |
| 17:04.09 | en0x | xmen origins wolverine |
| 17:04.16 | en0x | in hd of course |
| 17:04.16 | en0x | ;') |
| 17:04.29 | JayCanuck | Gambit ftw, though I wish they did Deadpool right |
| 17:05.41 | JayCanuck | so how is everyone today? |
| 17:06.33 | Abyssul | How do you change the keyboard layout of Doom? |
| 17:06.37 | egaudet_work | JayCanuck: did you figure out your patch issues? |
| 17:06.41 | Abyssul | Its set up funky |
| 17:08.49 | en0x | probably u will have to remap them |
| 17:09.15 | Abyssul | Yea, Im trying to find out how |
| 17:13.53 | Abyssul | meh i give up lol |
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| 17:15.17 | jacques | doom made engadget. nice. |
| 17:15.26 | luwangui | so.. i bricked my pre |
| 17:15.35 | luwangui | metadoc didn't work :/ |
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| 17:16.40 | El_Matarife | What version of SDL is including in 1.3.5? A few buddies and I were having a discussion and I was wondering |
| 17:16.49 | Abyssul | How do you make the UI show up in Doom? |
| 17:17.01 | Abyssul | I dont have hte health and crap on the bottom |
| 17:17.04 | Abyssul | or the green border |
| 17:17.42 | zsoc | El_Matarife: uh... 1.2.1..8..er..3 something |
| 17:18.16 | zsoc | Abyssul: you somehow resized the screen. try orange+s (minus symbol) |
| 17:18.17 | El_Matarife | Interesting because from my understand, multi-pointer support is only in the 1.3 development tree |
| 17:18.55 | Abyssul | how do you make it bigger? lol |
| 17:19.06 | Abyssul | nvm got it |
| 17:21.44 | zsoc | El_Matarife: 1.2.13 |
| 17:22.08 | El_Matarife | http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/finger/finger.pl?user=icculus&date=2007-10-07§ion=sdl13 was the proposed feature list for 1.3 ~2 years ago |
| 17:22.52 | El_Matarife | If Palm grafted true multipointer support on to the stable branch of 1.2 I'll be impressed and hopefully the SDL guys will take it upstream into their repos |
| 17:24.06 | mdklein | so I got the demo apps from the opengl-es sdk "running"... sadly it's not like sdl, so it fights with luna... it's really pretty until you tap the screen and then the two battle for who is on top... quite the flicker... :-/ |
| 17:24.32 | Zorin | mdklein: How's the GL performance though? |
| 17:24.36 | mdklein | great |
| 17:24.39 | El_Matarife | Also you really should announce your Doom port achievement to their mailing list http://lists.libsdl.org/listinfo.cgi/sdl-libsdl.org |
| 17:24.57 | mdklein | I mean, I'm just running the demo apps from the sdk, but it's smooth |
| 17:25.15 | Zorin | I'd love to see someone run GLQuake on the Pre :) |
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| 17:25.58 | jacques | anyone done a FPS comparison between the old debian chroot/directfb doom and the new SDL one? |
| 17:26.23 | Abyssul | idk why lol, this new doom runs soo smoothly lol |
| 17:26.37 | Abyssul | +1 for Quake |
| 17:26.40 | glorifiedg | aaarrggghhh I hate youuuu! I want doom too :( Lol |
| 17:26.42 | Zorin | Abyssul: The Pre has a very fast CPU. |
| 17:26.59 | Zorin | It only has seemed sluggish lately because of new, unoptimized code. Palm's been working hard to speed things up and it shows in 1.3.5 |
| 17:27.01 | en0x | is there some kind of prog that will run a gpu benchmarks? |
| 17:27.02 | en0x | :> |
| 17:27.09 | Abyssul | I know Zorin |
| 17:27.18 | Abyssul | and also the GPU is still being enabled |
| 17:27.31 | El_Matarife | There's not many good open source synthetic benchmark suites |
| 17:27.40 | jacques | I'm very happy with the UI speed increase in 1.3.5 |
| 17:27.43 | glorifiedg | I'm wondering if someone is wiling to take a look on using gnuboy and nes emu with the gpu support |
| 17:27.52 | El_Matarife | the most popular ones are pretty much Windows / PC only and I don't know if any of them have an SDL backend |
| 17:28.29 | jacques | glorifiedg: don't worry. I predict within a week. |
| 17:28.29 | mdklein | hah, I ran a gl demo too long and luna restarted cause it thought it haung |
| 17:28.29 | El_Matarife | But if you email the Phoronix guys suggesting an article I'm sure they will come up with something: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home |
| 17:28.44 | jacques | mdklein: watchdog? |
| 17:29.46 | mdklein | not sure what triggered it |
| 17:29.56 | mdklein | OGLES2Skybox is only using like 6% cpu |
| 17:30.55 | glorifiedg | jacques: :) contra with acceptable fps :) can't wait 1.3.5 being released in europe so I can stick my pre in my iphone friends eyes! eheeh |
| 17:31.04 | en0x | lol |
| 17:31.09 | en0x | iphone is done |
| 17:31.17 | en0x | nothing interesting with it for last 3 yrs |
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| 17:31.22 | en0x | except new hardware |
| 17:31.26 | en0x | look didnt changed |
| 17:31.28 | en0x | gui too |
| 17:31.36 | en0x | but as u know |
| 17:31.39 | en0x | steve knows better |
| 17:31.51 | en0x | and he is a thief |
| 17:32.07 | en0x | did u heard about the patents war between nokia and apple? |
| 17:32.07 | en0x | :> |
| 17:32.11 | Zorin | I'm really glad I didn't cave and get an iPhone |
| 17:32.18 | Abyssul | IM sure all they will do is add multitasking |
| 17:32.19 | jacques | me too |
| 17:32.29 | jacques | I seriously considered it |
| 17:32.29 | Zorin | It's an okay phone, but artificially limited in what it can do, and Apple is too much of a control freak over it. |
| 17:32.34 | glorifiedg | hehehe |
| 17:32.43 | en0x | i was considering iphone too |
| 17:32.48 | en0x | but the lack of hw keyboard |
| 17:32.48 | Zorin | And I own two Macs, and run OS X full time. So I *like* some Apple products, just not the iPhone. |
| 17:33.07 | egaudet_work | zsoc: where's the doom script in git |
| 17:33.10 | jacques | Zorin: 24" imac here :-) love it (but it runs linux 95% time now) |
| 17:33.14 | Abyssul | I just cant wait for the next hardware version of the Pre |
| 17:33.24 | Abyssul | To tell the truth, the Pre was poorly built |
| 17:33.26 | glorifiedg | I was too but then I was looking to acer liquid... |
| 17:33.42 | glorifiedg | palm is not very known in portugal |
| 17:33.44 | zsoc | egaudet: no idea. rod did it. I slept |
| 17:33.46 | Zorin | I have my Linux server for anything I need Linux for. It works out well |
| 17:34.23 | Zorin | The Pre is very well built I think. It's tough. My friend has dropped his multiple times and it still works fine. I think the people on their "5th and 6th Pres" are abusing their hardware. |
| 17:34.29 | egaudet_work | what does the script do |
| 17:34.30 | Zorin | And of course they won't admit it. |
| 17:34.33 | zsoc | hmm |
| 17:34.39 | zsoc | I can't scroll up |
| 17:34.44 | jacques | I'm going to get a 27" core i7 imac as soon as they get the bugs worked out |
| 17:34.54 | egaudet_work | I'm on my 4th or 5th pre but I don't abuse the hardware |
| 17:34.55 | Zorin | I've only dropped mine once, but it was like two feet onto asphalt so it wasn't that bad. Tiny scuff. |
| 17:34.57 | egaudet_work | I just got unlucky |
| 17:35.16 | Zorin | Maybe when they replace defective Pres, they give you refurb Pres that might have issues? |
| 17:35.20 | Abyssul | I wish it was just made of more sturdy plastic and the slider was better built |
| 17:35.26 | egaudet_work | first one came with blown speaker, next 2 touchscreen mysteriously just stopped working |
| 17:35.41 | jacques | slider is my only complaint, well the keyboard could be better, esp the space key |
| 17:35.52 | egaudet_work | and this last one they gave me is a terrible refurb, but I'll deal with it for a while :p |
| 17:36.00 | zsoc | hmm. ok I messed up my touch screen somehow. |
| 17:36.03 | Abyssul | Im on my third |
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| 17:36.10 | Abyssul | but I broke my first two lol |
| 17:36.13 | glorifiedg | I have one of the 3 pre's that exist in Portugal. here there is like an iphone fever. abyssul: agreed. the back cover is noisy and oreo effect is awfull... but I like it anyway |
| 17:36.15 | Zorin | I'm on my first release day Pre |
| 17:36.18 | bhern | you need to stop jumping up and down on them |
| 17:36.42 | Zorin | I haven't exactly babied it either, aside from making sure the screen doesn't get scratched |
| 17:36.47 | Abyssul | Its not a oreo effect, its just not stable |
| 17:37.01 | glorifiedg | I love that every time I'm typing on my phone everyone is looking and commenting: owo what is that shit? very nice! |
| 17:37.03 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: we have to START the programs somehow |
| 17:37.12 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: thus upstart |
| 17:37.26 | PuffTheMagic | that does not need upstart |
| 17:37.28 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: right now people have to shell out and run them by hand |
| 17:37.29 | zsoc | I have found a wonderful bug |
| 17:38.08 | Abyssul | IS that good or bad zsoc? |
| 17:38.08 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: I want to be able to start them from mojo and that needs a service or plugin. |
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| 17:38.08 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: upstart is not the answer for that |
| 17:38.09 | zsoc | Abyssul: well it's not a feature |
| 17:38.10 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: upstart would provide a nice standard mechanism for distributing start scripts |
| 17:38.13 | PuffTheMagic | not saying an upstart service wouldnt be use ful |
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| 17:38.22 | PuffTheMagic | but its not the right mechanism for starting sdl apps |
| 17:38.23 | JayCanuck | destinal, I'm workin on a service as we speak |
| 17:38.25 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: why not? |
| 17:38.38 | zsoc | brb |
| 17:38.39 | Abyssul | JayCanuck: whats it do? |
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| 17:38.41 | PuffTheMagic | its overkill |
| 17:38.45 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: you distribute a mojo app that calls the service to start your script |
| 17:38.59 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: and upstart comes with built in security |
| 17:39.03 | JayCanuck | can be used by mojo service request to launch sdl appds |
| 17:39.07 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: you can only start jobs the system already trusts |
| 17:39.07 | PuffTheMagic | there is no security in upstart |
| 17:39.31 | JayCanuck | idealy put into app-assistant.js in a sort of stub app so it'll appear in the launcher |
| 17:39.49 | destinal-work | JayCanuck: exactly |
| 17:39.49 | PuffTheMagic | just run them in cards and call it a day |
| 17:40.04 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: how do you run the binary? |
| 17:40.56 | navinag_ | Hey guys i get the following error while trying to run doom. I had SDL from puff installed before..wonding if that hosed me....http://webos.pastebin.com/m2e7bdaeb |
| 17:41.01 | navinag_ | any thoughts |
| 17:41.53 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: idk, havent thought about it... buf there is no security involved with starting a binary via upstart |
| 17:42.01 | Abyssul | I wouldnt know, but have you tryed restarting navinag_? |
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| 17:42.06 | glorifiedg | JayCanuck: do you ever sleep?! you're the best |
| 17:42.09 | El_Matarife | zsoc, a guy in #sdl is going to announce the SDL port to WebOS on their mailing list unless you would like the honors |
| 17:42.14 | en0x | navinag_, looks like ther is no /dev/fb1 |
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| 17:42.55 | navinag_ | en0x: how do i fix it? |
| 17:43.03 | oilsworkn | JayCanuck doesn't sleep? |
| 17:43.10 | glorifiedg | no |
| 17:43.12 | glorifiedg | lol |
| 17:43.21 | oilsworkn | that could be problematic |
| 17:43.25 | JayCanuck | oilsworkn! hi |
| 17:43.28 | oilsworkn | unless he's a robot and someone mucked with the power settings |
| 17:43.43 | oilsworkn | set it to "Always On" |
| 17:43.47 | glorifiedg | It seems so sometimes |
| 17:43.56 | en0x | navinag_, idk... some other guy is webos doctoring |
| 17:43.58 | glorifiedg | :) |
| 17:44.03 | en0x | navinag_, looks like ur kernel wasn't updated |
| 17:44.05 | oilsworkn | JayCanuck: yeah, i saw your im this morning, but was late for work |
| 17:44.09 | oilsworkn | so i didn't respond |
| 17:44.14 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 17:44.22 | JayCanuck | and now you're workin ;) |
| 17:44.26 | oilsworkn | well |
| 17:44.27 | oilsworkn | no boss |
| 17:44.39 | oilsworkn | so, not a whole ton of workin |
| 17:44.42 | navinag_ | en0x: i was able to run the web 3d demo |
| 17:45.15 | oilsworkn | hell, no boss for the next two weeks |
| 17:45.17 | navinag_ | anyway to for a 1.3.5 re-update? |
| 17:45.25 | navinag_ | force 1.3.5 re-update? |
| 17:45.57 | en0x | u cant force :S |
| 17:46.00 | bpadalino | webos doctor ? |
| 17:46.04 | navinag_ | en0x: can i look for the Sdl command? |
| 17:46.05 | en0x | navinag_, web 3d demo is different |
| 17:46.06 | en0x | :P |
| 17:46.10 | navinag_ | ahhhh |
| 17:46.11 | Zorin | Repair utility with the doctor? |
| 17:46.17 | navinag_ | ahhh |
| 17:46.21 | Zorin | Has anyone tried the repair utility with the 1.3.5 doctor yet? |
| 17:46.22 | navinag_ | is the repai out |
| 17:46.23 | navinag_ | ? |
| 17:46.50 | en0x | ye |
| 17:46.55 | en0x | no |
| 17:47.00 | navinag_ | JayCanuk: is the repair utility out with 1.3.5 yet |
| 17:47.02 | en0x | shit |
| 17:47.55 | oilsworkn | doesn't jasons repair utility work as soon as the new doctor is released? |
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| 17:50.48 | Zorin | I wonder how well the Pre would run DOSbox. |
| 17:50.59 | en0x | iu want nfs! |
| 17:51.03 | Zorin | Instant huge game library |
| 17:51.50 | oilsworkn | scorched earth! |
| 17:52.29 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: destinal-work, see above idea about packing the script inside a service for security |
| 17:52.49 | PuffTheMagic | im not getting involved with this |
| 17:52.53 | PuffTheMagic | i have too much shit to do |
| 17:52.59 | jacques | sigh, I confused firefox - biab |
| 17:53.01 | PuffTheMagic | but u can def come up with a better way to do this |
| 17:53.18 | PuffTheMagic | i have an idea actually |
| 17:53.34 | PuffTheMagic | since the sdl app has to be rebuild to use the mojo card |
| 17:53.40 | destinal-work | glorifiedg: you can probably run 1.3.5 in europe on GSM NOW with a modified doctor. |
| 17:53.47 | PuffTheMagic | it could be built as a .so |
| 17:54.03 | PuffTheMagic | and a "sdl app" service could use dlopen |
| 17:54.12 | PuffTheMagic | to load apps from a directory |
| 17:54.13 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: ugh |
| 17:54.15 | PuffTheMagic | sorta like a rom |
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| 17:54.28 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: I see where you're going, it's just pretty complex |
| 17:54.40 | PuffTheMagic | use inotify to monitor a folder |
| 17:54.45 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: and palm has their own way to do this already planned that will supercede ours |
| 17:54.47 | PuffTheMagic | so u can tell when new games are added |
| 17:55.04 | PuffTheMagic | they are planning on sdl games? |
| 17:55.10 | egaudet_work | so what is the process of running an sdl game right now? |
| 17:55.10 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: need for speed |
| 17:55.19 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: they made this SDL library for pre and luna, not us |
| 17:55.46 | destinal-work | they just gave us the library a little earlier than the games are ready |
| 17:55.47 | oilsworkn | egaudet_work: running the command from terminal |
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| 17:55.59 | zsoc | ok this is very bad |
| 17:56.02 | glorifiedg | destinal-work: yeahhh! but I think I'll wait 'cause I have pharmacology exam on monday and I need to study badlyyy :( |
| 17:56.05 | zsoc | my phone super crashed |
| 17:56.14 | oilsworkn | cause of doom? |
| 17:56.14 | oilsworkn | xD |
| 17:56.16 | zsoc | and the icon for wirc is gone D: |
| 17:56.31 | oilsworkn | sadness |
| 17:56.34 | Abyssul | where are the key maps for Doom? |
| 17:56.36 | zsoc | why just wirc? big square box |
| 17:56.41 | oilsworkn | oh |
| 17:56.45 | oilsworkn | that means it can't load the icon |
| 17:56.49 | zsoc | Abyssul: somewhere in the source |
| 17:56.54 | oilsworkn | the box is the "broken image" of webos |
| 17:56.57 | zsoc | oilsworkn: I think part of my ssd is bad |
| 17:56.58 | jacques | Abyssul: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/221888-doom-7.html#post2119194 |
| 17:57.00 | Abyssul | I figured that lol, I cant find it in the source lol |
| 17:57.20 | Abyssul | jacques: I mean like, to change the keys in-game |
| 17:57.39 | oilsworkn | lolol |
| 17:57.43 | jacques | Abyssul: sorry, I read too fast |
| 17:57.44 | oilsworkn | what do you think this is, a finished product? |
| 17:57.57 | Abyssul | jacques: No problem |
| 17:58.13 | egaudet_work | is the doom that I run a binary or a script? |
| 17:58.26 | zsoc | egaudet_work: binary |
| 17:58.31 | Rick_work | binary |
| 17:58.41 | zsoc | it has a super hack in it |
| 17:58.47 | Zorin | So when a binary opens up the SDL library, it kicks Luna into generating a new card for it automatically? No further hackage required? |
| 17:59.02 | Rick_work | Zorin - sort of yeah. |
| 17:59.05 | zsoc | Zorin: sort of backwards, but basically |
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| 17:59.41 | zsoc | terminal in 135 has serious issues |
| 17:59.41 | Zorin | This has a lot of interesting possibilities |
| 18:00.07 | egaudet_work | so this sdl running service can just have a service request that says "run sdl appid", makes sure it's signed, and runs appid/appid |
| 18:00.16 | Rick_work | so, anyone know of an SDL terminal app? :-) |
| 18:00.22 | El_Matarife | http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2009-December/074153.html |
| 18:00.56 | zsoc | egaudet_work: sortof a hack still, but sure. better tho is to actually run a C sdl hook. see the sdl application developer guide |
| 18:01.09 | egaudet_work | yea C service |
| 18:02.01 | mdklein | I just brain dumped to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL |
| 18:02.10 | mdklein | time for lunch |
| 18:02.28 | egaudet_work | I'm tired of patches, I want to work on fun stuff! :P |
| 18:02.36 | zsoc | El_Matarife: is that the sdl mailing list? |
| 18:02.41 | El_Matarife | Yeah |
| 18:02.43 | oilsworkn | egaudet_work: wirc awaits |
| 18:02.46 | oilsworkn | XD |
| 18:02.58 | El_Matarife | Sorry for stealing your thunder but that guy wanted it up ASAP |
| 18:03.10 | oilsworkn | what guy? |
| 18:03.33 | El_Matarife | Bill Kendrick |
| 18:03.55 | zsoc | I was in #sdl yesterday, seemed dead :) |
| 18:04.16 | El_Matarife | Ah well, its somewhat alive today |
| 18:04.26 | oilsworkn | his hack woke the beast? |
| 18:04.51 | El_Matarife | Results have a tendency to do that |
| 18:05.02 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:05.13 | El_Matarife | I'm sure the guys that see that are probably thinking "App goldrush for the Pre" |
| 18:05.33 | El_Matarife | If SDL turns out to be the Palm official way of doing things |
| 18:06.02 | egaudet_work | it has to |
| 18:06.10 | El_Matarife | I certainly am thinking it, but playing OpenTTD or FreeCiv on my phone is going to be badass |
| 18:06.17 | egaudet_work | they didn't waste all that effort putting in for us to mess with |
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| 18:06.49 | El_Matarife | Well, WebGL or LuaGL still seems possible to me |
| 18:07.26 | Rick_work | this kinda proves that the need for speed app video was real. :-) |
| 18:07.40 | Zorin | Well they do have the browser plugin architecture but it's *slow* |
| 18:07.42 | zsoc | I don't see native sdl being used for anything past homebrew |
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| 18:08.10 | egaudet_work | how much does need for speed go for on iphone? |
| 18:08.15 | Zorin | zsoc: Why not? This opens the way for good quality gaming on the Pre. Why wouldn't Palm take advantage of that? |
| 18:08.58 | zsoc | Zorin: an opengl js wrapper opens uip the way for good quality gaming, and current devs can use it without knowing that sdl or egl is |
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| 18:09.40 | oilsworkn | i love how the comments to the pc post include "so zsoc, how about that viewfinder now?" |
| 18:09.42 | Zorin | True, but there is no planet on which javascript is as fast as natively compiled code. |
| 18:10.07 | jmart | howdy everyone, i am having some trouble with preware...it looks like optware and webos-internals are not loading properly...can anyone tell me the code to get them to load in preware? |
| 18:10.07 | zsoc | oilsworkn: viewfinder should work now |
| 18:10.07 | jmart | loading package manager service again didn't seem to fix |
| 18:10.11 | Abyssul | jmart: reinstall Preware and package manager |
| 18:10.24 | oilsworkn | zsoc: oh? |
| 18:10.46 | zsoc | oilsworkn: audio still doesn't work. the dsp encoder is crap |
| 18:11.29 | Zorin | Pre gaming will never be as good as iPhone gaming if devs can't write native code. It's just the way things are... |
| 18:11.39 | egaudet_work | viewfinder works? |
| 18:11.50 | egaudet_work | stops to record though? |
| 18:11.56 | Abyssul | Im pretty sure we will get native code |
| 18:12.15 | jmart | abyssul: i tried to do that before, but i couldn't remove them previously via WOSQI, but now i can for some reason...i'll try it |
| 18:12.15 | egaudet_work | there's no doubt about it in my mind |
| 18:12.24 | oilsworkn | im pretty sure once we get native sdk from palm, people will find something else to bitch about :) |
| 18:13.01 | Zorin | Well that's always a given oilsworkn |
| 18:15.54 | *** part/#webos-internals zsoc (n=zsoc@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 18:21.18 | jacques | indeed. |
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| 18:23.16 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:23.19 | jtee | is there any need for terminal service plugin any more? |
| 18:23.31 | Rick_work | yes jtee |
| 18:23.38 | Rick_work | it's the binary for terminal |
| 18:23.44 | jtee | it seems that terminal works without it |
| 18:23.50 | Abyssul | if you want terminal to work, then I would suggest installing it :p |
| 18:24.06 | jtee | when terminal is installed via preware, is it installed automatically? |
| 18:24.30 | oilsworkn | yes |
| 18:24.33 | oilsworkn | rather |
| 18:24.35 | oilsworkn | should be* |
| 18:24.38 | jtee | must have had it somehow |
| 18:24.56 | egaudet_work | terminal -can't- work without it |
| 18:25.11 | jtee | why are they both listed in preware as available downloads then? |
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| 18:25.27 | egaudet_work | when did you install them? |
| 18:25.46 | jtee | at various times... that's likely why |
| 18:26.15 | jtee | does the current terminal download include the binary component? |
| 18:26.26 | oilsworkn | they're two seperate packages |
| 18:26.31 | jtee | (of course i could just try it and see) |
| 18:26.40 | oilsworkn | but preware will see that the app is dependent on the plugin and install the plugin first |
| 18:27.14 | jtee | nice ipkg .... |
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| 18:35.03 | Guest4390 | hello is anyone here? |
| 18:35.44 | bpadalino | yes |
| 18:36.07 | Guest4390 | hi, I'm having trouble loading preware |
| 18:36.26 | Guest4390 | the bar gets stuck at loading prethemer |
| 18:36.31 | Smubeht | when i try to cd to cryptofs it gives me an error |
| 18:36.48 | Smubeht | any ideas? |
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| 18:37.33 | jtee | Smubeht, whats the error? |
| 18:37.46 | Smubeht | cant cd to /cryptofs |
| 18:37.48 | Guest4390 | sorry I can't see what you said because I'm using irc on the pre and there is blue txt overlappoinf lol |
| 18:38.21 | jtee | Smubeht, try cd /media/cryptofs |
| 18:38.32 | Smubeht | i already cd to media |
| 18:38.43 | egaudet_work | you can't cd to /cryptofs because it doesn't exist |
| 18:38.48 | jtee | pwd responds with /media? |
| 18:38.52 | egaudet_work | the / = root directory |
| 18:38.54 | oilsworkn | its cd /media |
| 18:38.57 | oilsworkn | cd cryptofs |
| 18:39.15 | Smubeht | gotcha |
| 18:39.16 | Smubeht | thanks |
| 18:39.17 | Smubeht | that worked |
| 18:39.22 | Smubeht | the whole path one didnt owrk |
| 18:39.23 | jtee | Smubeht, what does 'pwd' respond with? |
| 18:39.25 | jtee | ok |
| 18:39.27 | Smubeht | pwd? |
| 18:39.28 | DiscreetControl | ummm... top shows 2 users... who shows 2 root users... cat /etc/passwd shows nobody /noneexistant : /bin/sh... normal? |
| 18:39.30 | egaudet_work | cd /media/cryptofs |
| 18:39.33 | egaudet_work | would work |
| 18:39.37 | jtee | that's the whole path |
| 18:39.41 | jtee | and it should work |
| 18:40.09 | egaudet_work | paths can be relative without a preceding / or absolute with the preceding / |
| 18:40.09 | Guest4390 | sry, did anyone reply regarding my issue? Can see chat now |
| 18:40.29 | egaudet_work | did you try to appmenu->manage feeds and disable prethemer feed |
| 18:40.50 | Guest4390 | yes I did |
| 18:41.10 | egaudet_work | then update feeds |
| 18:41.35 | Guest4390 | yes I did try that after |
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| 18:41.58 | jtee | prethemer taking about 10 seconds here... |
| 18:42.47 | Guest4390 | my phone has always occasionally loaded and not loaded but not for this long |
| 18:42.52 | jtee | ah haa... removing and reinstalling terminal and terminal plugin does indeed pick up the dependancy (must have missed that) |
| 18:43.53 | DiscreetControl | what are you guys getting for user count in top command in terminal? |
| 18:43.58 | oilsworkn | 7 |
| 18:43.58 | jtee | sometimes i just kill off the preware card and reload it and thing are fine... other times a restart helps |
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| 18:44.21 | egaudet_work | if the prethemer feed is off you shouldn't see it loading it at all |
| 18:44.49 | jtee | thinks he might as well turn it off as he doesn't even use themes |
| 18:44.57 | Zorin | Since turning off the theme feeds, Preware starts up right quick. |
| 18:45.02 | Guest4390 | anhm perhaps I didn't turn it off properly |
| 18:45.20 | DiscreetControl | oilsworkn, and what are you getting with who command |
| 18:45.31 | egaudet_work | alright i'll bbl, they're letting us out early |
| 18:45.39 | egaudet_work | happy new year if I don't come back! |
| 18:46.11 | Abyssul | Yea, I turn off the Theme feeds and it loads 2x faster |
| 18:46.19 | Abyssul | Crapload of themes out there to load |
| 18:46.26 | DiscreetControl | I've got 2 root users with who |
| 18:46.44 | Guest4390 | sorry, how do I turn off the feed then? |
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| 18:47.02 | Rick_work | in the preferences menu |
| 18:47.06 | Guest4390 | I must have mistaken it for the auto update |
| 18:47.23 | DiscreetControl | goto menu-manage feeds |
| 18:47.34 | PuffTheMagic | MetaDoctor gui preview -> http://omploader.org/vMzRrbA |
| 18:47.37 | oilsworkn | DiscreetControl: i was joking |
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| 18:47.49 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v zsoc] by ChanServ |
| 18:48.05 | oilsworkn | that penguin doesn't seem to be wearing a lab coat riding a unicorn? |
| 18:48.14 | zsoc | aren't they all |
| 18:48.38 | DiscreetControl | O.o |
| 18:49.10 | Guest4390 | I only see an option for udate feeds and setting it to manually, am I in the wrong menu? |
| 18:49.12 | jmart | Abyssul, thanks i finally got it to work |
| 18:49.26 | oilsworkn | Guest4390: in the top right of that scene, click "FEEDS" |
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| 18:50.09 | Guest4390 | ok got to feeds menu, thanks |
| 18:50.43 | oilsworkn | oh its newyears tomorrow |
| 18:50.47 | oilsworkn | thats why people are leaving early |
| 18:51.32 | jtee | is there an 'escape' key sequence in terminal? |
| 18:51.47 | PuffTheMagic | :( no one cares about the metadoctor :( |
| 18:51.50 | jettero | orange space |
| 18:51.56 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: u get anywhere with that icon |
| 18:52.02 | jettero | it's listed in non-obvious keys (upper left menu) |
| 18:52.08 | oilsworkn | PuffTheMagic: i've never doctored my phone in the first place |
| 18:52.35 | oilsworkn | with no need for the meta doctor, cause i don't need to bypass activation |
| 18:52.35 | jettero | where is backslash in terminal... that one's beyond my skill level. :) |
| 18:52.51 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: if u doctor you can start off with preware installed and usbnet enabled :D |
| 18:52.51 | oilsworkn | backslash? |
| 18:53.05 | oilsworkn | PuffTheMagic: but my phone works fine |
| 18:53.13 | jacques | PuffTheMagic: cool |
| 18:53.52 | oilsworkn | i wonder, has zsoc done anything yet that hasn't been wildly popular right out of the gate? |
| 18:54.00 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: i find it hard to believe you have never doctored your pre.... i think everyone has |
| 18:54.14 | oilsworkn | i blink and the doom thread is up to 8 pages |
| 18:54.28 | Smubeht | heh |
| 18:54.41 | jtee | jettero, cool... thanks |
| 18:54.44 | Smubeht | is it possible to paste multiple lines into terminal |
| 18:54.47 | Smubeht | btw awesome work u guys |
| 18:54.52 | oilsworkn | PuffTheMagic: never have |
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| 18:54.52 | oilsworkn | ever |
| 18:54.52 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: is that doom in card? |
| 18:54.52 | zsoc | oilsworkn: I am a media whore |
| 18:54.52 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 18:54.52 | oilsworkn | (to both) |
| 18:54.53 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: oh by the way I made doom in a card |
| 18:54.58 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: lol |
| 18:55.00 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:55.12 | Smubeht | i got it up..didnt really play much but just checked it out..awesome is all i have to say |
| 18:55.13 | oilsworkn | wouldn't have installed it unless it was in a card |
| 18:55.22 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: so i have to make a sdl game launcher service now huh |
| 18:55.24 | oilsworkn | you got it up? |
| 18:55.29 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: you will quickly discover I didn't do much, but keep it a sekret |
| 18:55.31 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: and we need a spec for sdl game .so's |
| 18:55.31 | oilsworkn | was a little blue pill involved? |
| 18:55.32 | Smubeht | oilsworkn were u talking to me? about the yeah? |
| 18:55.46 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: well considering ameng had it working months ago..... |
| 18:55.54 | oilsworkn | Smubeht: no? |
| 18:55.57 | Smubeht | oh ok |
| 18:55.59 | Smubeht | =) |
| 18:56.09 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: no it's hardware accelerated |
| 18:56.34 | oilsworkn | it is? |
| 18:56.34 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: which is only now possible since 1.3.5 |
| 18:57.04 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: we don't need .so's |
| 18:57.06 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: new fb driver in new kernel. sdl luna integration, open gl es libs |
| 18:57.11 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: standalone binaries are fine |
| 18:57.21 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: that was all palm. I had to type 'make' tho. |
| 18:57.31 | oilsworkn | zsoc is pro |
| 18:57.35 | oilsworkn | xD |
| 18:57.39 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: standalone binaries ftl! |
| 18:57.56 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: you would love the sdl developers guide. it's like 10 pages. |
| 18:57.56 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: why? |
| 18:58.03 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i've done sdl before |
| 18:58.04 | zsoc | oilsworkn: I'm pro at webosing |
| 18:58.22 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: ENGADGET CALLED ME AN ELITE WEBOS HACKER!!! |
| 18:58.22 | destinal-work | I just don't get what you want to do in .so's |
| 18:58.27 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i can make windows sdl apps with my mingw toolchain |
| 18:58.38 | oilsworkn | well, then it must be true, engadet is never wrong...? |
| 18:58.39 | bpadalino | 1337 |
| 18:58.52 | destinal-work | zsoc: you are eleet hax0r for compiling doom! |
| 18:58.56 | oilsworkn | and i almost typed egaudet there |
| 18:58.57 | zsoc | 31337 |
| 18:59.08 | zsoc | supa31337 |
| 18:59.15 | oilsworkn | "so zsoc, how did you do it?" |
| 18:59.15 | zsoc | ah... I'm under a desk. |
| 18:59.19 | oilsworkn | "well first i downloaded it" |
| 18:59.22 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: i dont want to make anything that allows running random binaries, which is essentially the case if you use upstart to start the games |
| 18:59.24 | oilsworkn | "then i typed..." |
| 18:59.25 | oilsworkn | "... make" |
| 18:59.34 | dsevil | hi all |
| 18:59.37 | oilsworkn | "amazing!" |
| 18:59.50 | dsevil | did some troubleshooting on why app catalog friendsbook fails to install for some... http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2119443&posted=1#post2119443 |
| 18:59.55 | zsoc | oilsworkn: hey now I has to set environmental variables. |
| 19:00.00 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:00.05 | zsoc | no actually sdl-config does that |
| 19:00.20 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: what? how can you not run random binaries, this is designed to support random binaries |
| 19:00.33 | PuffTheMagic | huh? |
| 19:00.43 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: you were the one that brought up security |
| 19:00.52 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: yeah, but upstart provides that |
| 19:00.57 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: no... it doesnt |
| 19:01.00 | destinal-work | if you can write new upstart scripts, you already won |
| 19:01.05 | oilsworkn | security schemurity |
| 19:01.09 | oilsworkn | look how well windows has done |
| 19:01.15 | Mousey | uh |
| 19:01.17 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 19:01.23 | destinal-work | you don't need pretty graphics if you already have root |
| 19:01.27 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: using upstart in this way is no different that having the arbitrary command service back |
| 19:01.37 | PuffTheMagic | s/that/than/ |
| 19:01.47 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: no, because the upstart script only works out of event.d |
| 19:02.06 | destinal-work | and sure any program can start anything in there but not with arguments and they have to have already been prepared |
| 19:02.08 | destinal-work | to be run |
| 19:02.23 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: all they have to do is dump a file in event.d and run it |
| 19:02.29 | PuffTheMagic | that is not secure at all! |
| 19:02.38 | destinal-work | if you can dump a file in event.d you already own the box |
| 19:02.39 | destinal-work | game over |
| 19:02.39 | zsoc | I am on a very high shelf |
| 19:02.55 | zsoc | I am batman |
| 19:02.57 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: a postinst can do it easily |
| 19:03.09 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: yes, a postinst can do anything |
| 19:03.21 | destinal-work | make your pre tap dance, reprogram it to be a bomb detonator |
| 19:03.28 | destinal-work | make it call the president |
| 19:04.03 | zsoc | I am all the bar maker |
| 19:04.23 | oilsworkn | the bar maker? |
| 19:04.45 | oilsworkn | setter? |
| 19:04.45 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: so why not wrap the game in a .so that contains some metadata... then new game ipks can just install games to a special directory, then have 1 gui mojo app that acts as a manager/launcher which calls dlopen on it then executes the code |
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| 19:05.16 | oilsworkn | thinks AM would like puffs method |
| 19:05.33 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: I was thinking let doom's mojo app call a service to call doom's upstart |
| 19:05.34 | zsoc | lets do it both ways an see who throws more strawberrys |
| 19:05.42 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: what feed is this doom shit in? |
| 19:05.55 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: webos-internals 135 |
| 19:06.05 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:06.13 | oilsworkn | though, manually installing it seems easier |
| 19:06.24 | PuffTheMagic | plus maybe we can sign the so |
| 19:06.27 | oilsworkn | most of the posts in the doom thread are "now what is my cd doing toi the what? |
| 19:06.45 | oilsworkn | not being able to figure out how to change directories consistantly |
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| 19:07.11 | destinal-work | sigh, what's more secure about .so's? and we're going to be signing all apps on the feed |
| 19:07.39 | destinal-work | I prefer not to make a new launcher also |
| 19:07.44 | destinal-work | just let the icon do it |
| 19:07.49 | oilsworkn | destinal-work: btw: at some point in the past, im pretty sure i pushed more code to the terminal app |
| 19:08.00 | oilsworkn | to spawn the keyhelper scene in a new card |
| 19:08.07 | oilsworkn | as to not destroy the current session |
| 19:08.17 | destinal-work | oilsworkn: that sounds familiar |
| 19:08.26 | oilsworkn | but i dont think anyone has tested it or anything |
| 19:09.11 | zsoc | destinal-work: go make sdl friendly term gogogogogogo |
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| 19:09.29 | jtee | tiny script to launch doom is easy too |
| 19:09.29 | oilsworkn | hm |
| 19:09.32 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: i still dont get the point of upstart |
| 19:09.45 | oilsworkn | but sdl is not as good as plugin IMO |
| 19:09.50 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: in general there are tons of SDL apps already in existence |
| 19:09.51 | oilsworkn | you don't get any mojo-stuff |
| 19:09.54 | Mousey | upstart, the new init |
| 19:10.00 | oilsworkn | like, being able to be launched from, you know, the launcher |
| 19:10.03 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: and they all need to be rebuilt to run in a card |
| 19:10.06 | oilsworkn | acess to the app menu |
| 19:10.11 | PuffTheMagic | its not like we can just drop the binary on the box and run |
| 19:10.12 | oilsworkn | all that good mojo stuff |
| 19:10.15 | PuffTheMagic | i beleive |
| 19:10.20 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: I think that's exactly what we can do |
| 19:10.26 | destinal-work | zsoc: isn't that right? |
| 19:10.44 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: not if they are hardcoded to use a X11 surface |
| 19:10.49 | PuffTheMagic | or a DirectFB surface |
| 19:10.51 | Rick_work | oilsworkn i expect to see all the good mojo stuff when we get the first EA game from palm. Then we can duplicate it, and package doom that way. |
| 19:10.56 | Rick_work | and all the other sdl games. |
| 19:11.01 | oilsworkn | right |
| 19:11.05 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: neither |
| 19:11.13 | oilsworkn | right now, its really hackish geekery |
| 19:11.22 | PuffTheMagic | geekery |
| 19:11.23 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 19:11.41 | destinal-work | oilsworkn: well, we can make tons of SDL apps work without mojo in the meantime |
| 19:11.43 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: sdl calls a virtual surface on window I'd NULL. framebufer driver + luna hook does the rest |
| 19:11.47 | Rick_work | oilsworkn and I honestly expect to see some of that next week -- I think there are some further hidden hooks inside framework we haven't found yet. |
| 19:11.52 | zsoc | i'd=ID |
| 19:11.54 | destinal-work | Rick_work: no sense waiting for EA |
| 19:12.04 | destinal-work | Rick_work: we'll change it when Need for speed et al come out |
| 19:12.07 | Rick_work | destinal-work I know I know, I need to diff framework. |
| 19:12.10 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i dont believe all games are setup that way |
| 19:12.26 | oilsworkn | we need to see how palm would launch it/etc |
| 19:12.32 | oilsworkn | so we can do that same thing |
| 19:12.39 | destinal-work | oilsworkn: I just think we should do our own thing for now |
| 19:12.41 | Rick_work | and that's inside luna. |
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| 19:12.51 | destinal-work | oilsworkn: and then switch it to the official API later |
| 19:12.53 | Rick_work | and I think there's hidden calls in luna we aren't yet knowing about. ' |
| 19:12.54 | oilsworkn | destinal-work: i don't disagree |
| 19:13.02 | Rick_work | me either destinal-work |
| 19:13.06 | Rick_work | just speculating |
| 19:13.13 | destinal-work | and my upstart idea follows the KISS principle |
| 19:13.19 | destinal-work | and really doesn't sacrifice security IMO |
| 19:13.21 | Rick_work | but for NOW, I think we need an sdl launcher app. |
| 19:13.30 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: not yet. |
| 19:13.31 | oilsworkn | i would be nice if zsoc could hurry up and figure it all out, being an elite webos hacker and all |
| 19:13.31 | destinal-work | oh no, I downloaded a malicious app that started a defined service in upstart |
| 19:13.38 | oilsworkn | before we make our own way to launch them |
| 19:13.55 | oilsworkn | though im thinking its more difficult then "make" |
| 19:13.57 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 19:13.59 | destinal-work | since this is a short term solution |
| 19:14.01 | PuffTheMagic | did I miss something, did Palm officially say we are gonna get EA games in the next year? |
| 19:14.04 | destinal-work | upstart makes a lot of sense |
| 19:14.09 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic no |
| 19:14.13 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: we've all seen the need for speed video |
| 19:14.16 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: it's not that far off |
| 19:14.23 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic but we know the need-for-speed video was real. |
| 19:14.24 | oilsworkn | oh, someone sprayed some smelly shit in the office |
| 19:14.26 | oilsworkn | and its in my mouth |
| 19:14.31 | Rick_work | that's a firm official leak. |
| 19:14.49 | destinal-work | Rick_work: it looked to real not to be, in the first place. |
| 19:14.51 | destinal-work | s/to/too/ |
| 19:15.17 | oilsworkn | destinal-work: then the 135 catalog matching exactly what was in that screenshot |
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| 19:15.36 | destinal-work | sure, and all along it referencing Nova version 1.3.x |
| 19:15.40 | yetdog | the catalog match was a slam dunk |
| 19:15.56 | destinal-work | nobody would reference nova except internal folks I figured since it's not well known in the webos uberhaxor community |
| 19:16.10 | oilsworkn | wonders is zsoc knew about it |
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| 19:16.39 | oilsworkn | XD |
| 19:17.28 | destinal-work | In the future all cool apps should have nova in front of their names since nova is a cooler way of saying the webos platform. so, novadoom and novaquake and novavnc etc :) |
| 19:18.02 | oilsworkn | nIRC? |
| 19:18.13 | Rick_work | Mitch should have been more consistant with his codenames |
| 19:18.20 | Rick_work | Mojo, Luna, Nova. No theme. |
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| 19:18.45 | oilsworkn | luna and nova are both in space? |
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| 19:19.02 | ird | Should have been MOJO JO JO |
| 19:19.13 | destinal-work | lol |
| 19:19.16 | oilsworkn | mojo is what austin powers lost? |
| 19:19.26 | oilsworkn | and austin powers went to space in one of the movies, right? |
| 19:19.30 | oilsworkn | so, there is the connection |
| 19:19.36 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 19:19.42 | destinal-work | oilsworkn: *highfive* |
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| 19:20.22 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: SDL ones are |
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| 19:22.55 | Rick_work | Moona, Luna, Tuna ... |
| 19:28.50 | oilsworkn | pre articles on engadet always spark such flames |
| 19:29.11 | Abyssul_ | I love to read theme oilsworkn |
| 19:29.13 | Abyssul_ | them* |
| 19:29.39 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 19:30.02 | oilsworkn | there used to be that one guy who would post that massive list of things he thought was wrong with the pre |
| 19:30.05 | oilsworkn | on every pre article |
| 19:30.08 | oilsworkn | it was really funny |
| 19:30.29 | oilsworkn | it was like 60 items long |
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| 19:36.13 | Rick_work | I could come up with WAY more than 60. |
| 19:36.20 | Rick_work | the phone is too large |
| 19:36.24 | Rick_work | the phone is too small |
| 19:36.28 | Rick_work | they keys are too stiff |
| 19:36.32 | Rick_work | the keys are soft. |
| 19:38.16 | Abyssul_ | The phone turns on |
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| 19:45.00 | oilsworkn | most of it was things he thought was a con that is really a pro for everyone else |
| 19:45.04 | oilsworkn | like, a physical keyboard |
| 19:45.16 | oilsworkn | and not being locked into itunes |
| 19:46.23 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i dont see it in preware |
| 19:46.28 | FreeTim3 | He was employed by Blackberry then? |
| 19:46.46 | FreeTim3 | I'd be highly suspicious :) |
| 19:49.24 | oilsworkn | he always got "lowest ranked" whenever he would posty |
| 19:49.26 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: then you're doing it wrong. turn on regular feed? not testing |
| 19:49.28 | oilsworkn | i just thought it was funny |
| 19:50.25 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i have all webos feeds enabled |
| 19:50.32 | zsoc | 1 sec |
| 19:55.22 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: does it require the latest ipkgservice? |
| 19:55.47 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: it's at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.sdldoom_1.1.0_armv7.ipk |
| 19:56.01 | destinal-work | ditto armv6 for pixi |
| 19:56.01 | Zorin | People just need to accept that not everything is perfect and to focus on the good things |
| 19:56.04 | PuffTheMagic | wow, preware is messed up |
| 19:56.09 | PuffTheMagic | after 1.3.5 came out |
| 19:56.09 | Zorin | It's a Linux box in my pocket. WIN. Next! |
| 19:56.12 | PuffTheMagic | i removed all my patches |
| 19:56.19 | PuffTheMagic | then installed like 19 of them after the update |
| 19:56.26 | PuffTheMagic | and it has no record of anything being installed |
| 19:56.26 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: I doctored 1.3.2 and OTA'd 1.3.5 |
| 19:56.40 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: lol you need to run the migration helper and restart luna |
| 19:56.41 | destinal-work | I figured breakages would happen and wanted to avoid |
| 19:56.48 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: that fixes all |
| 19:57.04 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: it was all working fine |
| 19:57.15 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: everything moved from /var to /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 19:57.31 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: yeah i know |
| 19:57.34 | PuffTheMagic | i had 1.3.5 beta |
| 19:57.39 | zsoc | oh |
| 19:57.39 | PuffTheMagic | everything was working |
| 19:57.40 | zsoc | right |
| 19:57.52 | zsoc | yeah the final release was pretty problemsome |
| 19:58.03 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 19:58.38 | PuffTheMagic | i need to buy cases of beer for tonight |
| 19:58.39 | PuffTheMagic | bbs |
| 19:59.05 | mikewx | cases? awesome |
| 19:59.15 | Rick_work | why is tonight different than any other night? |
| 19:59.49 | PuffTheMagic | mikewx: yeah cases, me and my buddy can kill a case of sam adams winter lagger pretty quick |
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| 19:59.51 | PuffTheMagic | no a normal night |
| 20:00.10 | mikewx | impressive |
| 20:00.40 | Rick_work | hmmm I had beer once. I didn't like it. |
| 20:00.59 | Zorin | It's 12/31, tonight you're supposed to get drunk out of your mind until you pass out, then wake up and not remember what you did last night. :) |
| 20:02.49 | chron__ | (Y) ditto |
| 20:04.23 | zsoc | bah. |
| 20:05.58 | egaudet_ | Start each year with a hangover and the year can only get better from there :P |
| 20:06.45 | Zorin | If you were under 18 when you first tried beer and "didn't like it" you need to try it again. Beer tastes better as you get older. It makes no sense but it's true. |
| 20:07.37 | yetdog | zorin speaks the truth |
| 20:08.11 | destinal-work | Zorin: actually I think it's the taste for sweets we acquire somewhere in the middle of our childhood that ruins most peoples taste on it |
| 20:09.08 | destinal-work | Zorin: the other possibility if you don't like beer is that you're drinking bad beer. you can't judge all pizza based on domino's. |
| 20:09.22 | Smubeht | dominos is good |
| 20:09.23 | Smubeht | =P |
| 20:09.36 | Zorin | Yeah Domino's isn't bad anymore. I was surprised. |
| 20:09.39 | destinal-work | Smubeht: ok, then you can't judge all cheeseburgers based on mcdonalds |
| 20:10.00 | Smubeht | and beer is nasty..but ppl(including myself) drink it to get hammered..then many of those who drink it to get hammered end up not minding it on occasion without being hammered..then they start to like it |
| 20:10.05 | destinal-work | dominos sucked when I was a kid, I haven't gone back |
| 20:10.12 | Rick_work | there's also the problem that I have had that response to every alcoholic drink I've ever tasted. Beer tastes like soda with bitters and laquer thinner. |
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| 20:10.16 | Smubeht | mcdonalds is awesome as well |
| 20:10.43 | Smubeht | im more a liquor person..will be enjoying some nice scotch tonight |
| 20:10.51 | destinal-work | Rick_work: drink much laquer thinner? |
| 20:10.58 | Smubeht | but in the same token i enjoyed the taste when i first drank it when i was younger |
| 20:11.11 | Rick_work | I get similar responses to wines. Dry grape juice plus laquer thinner. Blech. |
| 20:11.21 | Smubeht | the only reason i do occasionally drink beer is when im looking to get hammered(at least when i was in college) its a helluva lot cheaper |
| 20:11.49 | Smubeht | and when black label costs like 60$ in nyc for a 750 ml and u can get like 3 24 packs for that..well cost effectiveness |
| 20:11.49 | Zorin | A few martinis are much more pleasant if you just want to get hammered. Beer is too filling |
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| 20:12.08 | Smubeht | was never a gin person |
| 20:12.12 | Smubeht | find it worse than beer |
| 20:12.14 | Smubeht | haha |
| 20:12.17 | destinal-work | Rick_work: some people have actually differently wired brains and have different senses, I know someone for whom pepperoni has no taste and a lot of tastes come across differently to her |
| 20:12.37 | jacques | interesting |
| 20:13.13 | Rick_work | nodnod. And as for being drunk, I've had a lot of experiance with various narcotics saddly, and I can say that the moment that I start to lose an edge, and get a little mentally fuzzy, I panic. I hate that feeling. So drunk never had an appeal either. |
| 20:13.20 | Rick_work | so, put it together an I'm a cheap date. |
| 20:13.59 | Smubeht | lol |
| 20:18.13 | zsoc | rick_home: wanna go out? |
| 20:18.36 | Rick_work | not really. :-) |
| 20:18.41 | FreeTim3 | I get drunk on Palm Pre apps... I download them until I'm dizzy and happy |
| 20:18.45 | zsoc | :p |
| 20:19.48 | Rick_work | my wife and I are going to to the range tommorow, a friend is bringing "a big bag of guns" and we're going to try a bunch of different ways to make little pieces of metal go thataway very very fast. The local IDPA club is having a pot-luck. |
| 20:21.09 | Zorin | Might be hitting the range with friends myself tomorrow |
| 20:21.40 | Rick_work | my wife is trying to decide on a new pistol. He hands are arthritic and she can't handle recoil like she used to, but she still wants something small enough to conceal easily. -- pretty much settled on Walther's new pk380, but she's going to try shooting one tommorow. |
| 20:21.40 | Zorin | One of them wants to sell me a .357 mag. I'm interested but want to give it a try before I say yes |
| 20:21.43 | jacques | downloads the precentral palmcast. |
| 20:22.22 | Zorin | Call me old fashioned, but I like revolvers |
| 20:22.40 | egaudet_ | Smubeht: you buy cheap beer to get hammered and wonder why you don't like it :P |
| 20:22.41 | jacques | .45ACP FTW |
| 20:22.46 | egaudet_ | shoulda just got some cheap vodka |
| 20:23.32 | Rick_work | 45's are just too expensive to shoot, even if you reload. |
| 20:23.49 | Zorin | If I get a semiauto it'd probably be the Glock 19 |
| 20:23.53 | jacques | reloads. |
| 20:24.02 | Rick_work | plus, small frame 45's hurt your hands, and full size 1911's are hard to conceal. |
| 20:24.19 | Rick_work | I -love- shooting 1911's, but I sure as hell won't carry one. |
| 20:24.20 | jacques | I love my lightweight officer's ACP |
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| 20:24.27 | Rick_work | hmmmm |
| 20:24.30 | FreeTim3 | I load my Pre with apps. I fire SMS text messages. I geo-cache. Watch OUT ! |
| 20:25.01 | Zorin | I sent text messages without long-ass delays switching between people like before. 1.3.5 wins |
| 20:25.25 | Rick_work | we reload 9mm, and if sherry gets the 380, then that's a new set of dies. |
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| 20:25.39 | jacques | when I'm feeling thrifty, I shoot .22 |
| 20:25.46 | jacques | almost as much fun |
| 20:26.18 | Rick_work | it is fun. We went out yesterday and let a friend's daughter have her first time with a .22 revolver. |
| 20:26.51 | Rick_work | had a box of "primer only" rounds for her to start with, then went to 22longs. She had fun. |
| 20:27.28 | Zorin | Well that was strange. |
| 20:27.50 | Zorin | My Pre fell off the Wifi network even though it kept showing the icon as being connected. I had to turn wifi off and back on to get it back on. |
| 20:29.16 | Rick_work | when the SDK will not install because it says that it can't find the applicaton in the database and rolls back when it's almost done. What is the solution? I know I've read this. |
| 20:31.44 | Zorin | Bingo.. the DHCP lease expired. I wonder why the Pre didn't just renew it though. |
| 20:33.57 | Mousey | i wonder why pre won't use my internal DNS |
| 20:33.58 | Mousey | cries |
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| 20:38.14 | jettero | resolv.conf uses 127.0.0.1 ... |
| 20:38.22 | jettero | you could set that to 8.8.8.8 or whatever, in rw mode |
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| 20:55.38 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: yeah I hear you, SN anniversary is quite tasty and a must for new year. think I'll grab some also |
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| 20:55.38 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: their celebration ale sucked this year |
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| 20:55.42 | destinal-work | PuffTheMagic: they came out with kellerweis recently, which is very nice hefeweizen. |
| 20:56.01 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: im not a huge wheat beer fan |
| 20:56.02 | destinal-work | I convinced the liquor store by my house to stock it |
| 20:56.07 | Flashpass | +destinal-work: Yeah I know what you mean, but I care more that it just works than actually playing the game haha - i've played doom enough in my life |
| 20:56.08 | PuffTheMagic | there are only a few that i like |
| 20:56.18 | PuffTheMagic | winter lagger being one |
| 20:56.25 | PuffTheMagic | souther tier 422 ale |
| 20:56.31 | PuffTheMagic | blue moon |
| 20:56.59 | PuffTheMagic | i cant do those tripple's and hefeweizen's |
| 20:57.22 | destinal-work | Flashpass: yeah, doom is kind of a rite of passage for a platform these days |
| 20:57.22 | oil | so zsoc|away, where is my sdl snes emu? |
| 20:57.39 | destinal-work | oil: I was looking at it, it looks like snes9x exists in SDL form somewhere |
| 20:57.48 | PuffTheMagic | did zsoc get controlls working properly? |
| 20:57.57 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-work: fecux |
| 20:57.57 | PuffTheMagic | is the nes emu |
| 20:58.13 | destinal-work | ok, I guess we could start NES and move up to SNES :) |
| 20:58.14 | sampson | man you guys make me want to get preware fixed on my phone |
| 20:58.23 | sampson | how about onscreen joystick first? :D |
| 20:58.25 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 20:58.29 | Flashpass | haha |
| 20:58.34 | oil | snes then move down to nes |
| 20:58.35 | PuffTheMagic | sampson: how about ps3 controller support |
| 20:58.37 | PuffTheMagic | over bt |
| 20:58.37 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:58.40 | PuffTheMagic | and wii mote |
| 20:58.42 | PuffTheMagic | support |
| 20:58.43 | destinal-work | sampson: you're gonna want to break out your wiimote |
| 20:58.49 | destinal-work | and yes, I'm looking at that too |
| 20:58.51 | sampson | haha |
| 20:59.02 | PuffTheMagic | ps3 controller ftw! |
| 20:59.17 | oil | it needs onscreen controls |
| 20:59.19 | Flashpass | its too bad, so many options and things you can do, but everyone is just always too busy haha |
| 20:59.22 | destinal-work | http://code.google.com/p/btstack/ |
| 20:59.46 | destinal-work | that needs ported I guess |
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| 21:01.59 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: the way I did key mapping was bogus, I patched the library I compiled against |
| 21:02.03 | zsoc | gotta fix that |
| 21:02.30 | rwhitby | zsoc, destinal-work: did you laugh or cry at the video ? |
| 21:02.53 | zsoc | rwhitby: an old guy playing doom? I refused to watch it |
| 21:03.02 | zsoc | or I've been busy at work |
| 21:03.08 | oil | what video? |
| 21:03.34 | zsoc | oil: rod playing doom |
| 21:03.41 | oil | link? |
| 21:04.09 | destinal-work | rwhitby: lol, it was awesome -- you play way better than I do, that keyboard makes it rather tricky |
| 21:04.53 | zsoc | I am leet at doom |
| 21:04.57 | sampson | FUCK YOU SQL |
| 21:04.58 | sampson | I WIN |
| 21:04.59 | Flashpass | so how good can the graphics on the Pre get you think? like what could it's console equivelant be? |
| 21:05.01 | sampson | fist pump |
| 21:05.19 | zsoc | Flashpass: n64 |
| 21:05.36 | destinal-work | Flashpass: this good |
| 21:05.37 | destinal-work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCVnxXvEAPo&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:05.42 | zsoc | psx should be easy |
| 21:05.46 | jacques | hmm, I wonder how many hoops I'd have to jump through to watch the video |
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| 21:06.20 | jacques | oh I forgot, I still need to listen to the palmcast I downloaded |
| 21:06.25 | Frozenbinary | Hey guys |
| 21:06.25 | Flashpass | interesting |
| 21:06.37 | rwhitby | jacques: I'm listening to that now. |
| 21:06.43 | Flashpass | how would that compare to something like the psp? similar? |
| 21:07.02 | Frozenbinary | This page doesn't quite format right on my pre |
| 21:07.47 | jacques | tries to remember what app he uses to play mp3s |
| 21:07.54 | Flashpass | NFS looks pretty good, from what i could tell with the fuzzy video hehe |
| 21:08.10 | Frozenbinary | . |
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| 21:08.45 | jacques | Flashpass: I think the PSP and Pre have very similar processors |
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| 21:09.03 | Frozenbinary | Who knows what files I need to chmod x so my phone doesn't reprovision when I upgrade software? |
| 21:09.27 | jacques | Flashpass: oops never mind looks like I was remembering something completely different |
| 21:10.15 | destinal-work | rwhitby: you didn't need to break out ares, you could have just made an app with an index.html if text was all you wanted :) |
| 21:11.08 | destinal-work | of course ares was probably really fast to whip that off |
| 21:11.29 | Flashpass | jacques: the psp has a 333mhz processor doesn't it? |
| 21:12.40 | MiX-MaN_ | i should run the EPR thing in WOSQI before I update to 1.3.5 right? i think i remember reading that somewhere |
| 21:13.03 | Frozenbinary | anywhats epr |
| 21:13.05 | rwhitby | destinal-work: I tried that, but couldn't get it to work in 10 minutes, so I did an app in Ares in the next 15 minutes. |
| 21:13.26 | jacques | Flashpass: yeah but the PSP is MIPS architecture |
| 21:13.27 | Frozenbinary | Mixman what's epr |
| 21:13.32 | rwhitby | it was getting close to when I had to release :-) |
| 21:13.38 | destinal-work | rwhitby: I think if you'd used the palm-generate and edit the text it would have been fast |
| 21:13.43 | MiX-MaN_ | Frozenbinary: emergency patch recovery i think... |
| 21:13.56 | MiX-MaN_ | resets to defaults or something not sure :P |
| 21:14.04 | Frozenbinary | Oh. I am about to upgrade too but I'm running a modded meid |
| 21:14.24 | Frozenbinary | And tryin to disable execution of the provisioning files |
| 21:14.39 | MiX-MaN | taking forever to download a 15~ meg update |
| 21:15.15 | Frozenbinary | I'm still on 1.03 |
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| 21:16.57 | Flashpass | jacques: what architecture does the pre use? |
| 21:17.22 | Wahots | doom on webos = very kick ass |
| 21:18.05 | jacques | OK so that's four police cars and three fire vehicles that I've seen going into the mall with lights and sirens :-\ |
| 21:18.20 | zsoc | Flashpass: arm |
| 21:18.46 | Wahots | nice work zsoc :) |
| 21:19.38 | Frozenbinary | I wanna play doom |
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| 21:19.46 | Frozenbinary | But I gotta upgrade lol |
| 21:20.20 | Smubeht | lol jacques where u from? |
| 21:20.23 | Wahots | it plays flawless, just wish strafe keys were bound :) |
| 21:20.50 | destinal-work | zsoc: where are keybindings handled? |
| 21:21.01 | jacques | Smubeht: I'm in Texas |
| 21:21.17 | Smubeht | haha bush probably fired some guns |
| 21:21.18 | jacques | Smubeht: near Houston |
| 21:22.00 | jacques | police are planning some big things for tonight here |
| 21:22.13 | jacques | on the way home I saw a neat trap they'd set up |
| 21:22.22 | Smubeht | haha im from nj..not venturing to the city today..since its just going to be crazy.. |
| 21:22.35 | Smubeht | doing a little local shindig |
| 21:22.42 | Smubeht | will be fun..without the hassle |
| 21:23.35 | zsoc | destinal-work: I bound the keys in the library I compiled against, not the source |
| 21:23.41 | jacques | hmm, some ppl just flagged down the fire marshall right outside my window |
| 21:23.43 | jacques | not sure what's going on |
| 21:24.10 | destinal-work | zsoc: eh? |
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| 21:24.28 | tlp | I wish Palm would just uncomment their LED notification toggle already... seems to work just fine. |
| 21:25.00 | tlp | I expect it every release |
| 21:25.04 | Smubeht | lol |
| 21:25.08 | Smubeht | dont expect it and it will come |
| 21:25.12 | tlp | :p |
| 21:25.17 | MiX-MaN | :D |
| 21:25.35 | MiX-MaN | oh hell.. then gpu will never come then :/ |
| 21:25.37 | Smubeht | its the way stuff works..80% of the forums were like omg sprint has it wrong update isnt coming today..and voila.. |
| 21:25.39 | jacques | I never expected 1.3.5 would have opengl and sdl |
| 21:25.44 | Smubeht | it came when it did |
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| 21:25.51 | Smubeht | so u just gotta be like omg its never coming..and poof |
| 21:25.58 | MiX-MaN | i read the update on the site they found some files that are the groundworkings for the gpu stuff :P |
| 21:25.59 | tlp | they should start committing patches (with good licenses/functionality) too. |
| 21:26.01 | jacques | I figured that would be at 1.4.0 |
| 21:26.09 | MiX-MaN | now im expecting it soon.. great :\ |
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| 21:26.18 | tlp | like the character counter, etc. |
| 21:26.33 | MiX-MaN | i'll be lucky if i can even get the update going |
| 21:26.34 | BoBoYsDaDDa | with gpu will they do the video recorder? |
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| 21:26.39 | MiX-MaN | seems like its stuck on unpacking now |
| 21:26.41 | tlp | GPU isn't necessary for that |
| 21:26.52 | tlp | I'm not sure what their hold up is. The Pre is already capable of it. |
| 21:27.04 | Frozenbinary | It doesn't seem like video would be too hard |
| 21:27.13 | Smubeht | i had a video recorder on my treo 755p..i think i used it like 1x.. |
| 21:27.16 | tlp | It isn't. Gstreamer can do it, which is included on the Pre. |
| 21:27.18 | Frozenbinary | It better be awesome when they add it |
| 21:27.20 | rwhitby | Templarian: did you like the use of the icon you made a long time ago? |
| 21:27.32 | Smubeht | for most its probably a feature they just whine about not having, but once its there like only 1/3 of the ppl who craved it will actually use it |
| 21:27.46 | tlp | yeah... I wouldn't use it much |
| 21:27.53 | tlp | rwhitby: the Doom one? |
| 21:27.55 | Smubeht | people want to have it just for the sake of saying that its not behind the iphone |
| 21:27.57 | mdklein | all the bits for gpu are on, I got the opengl-es demos running on the unit, the issue right now is the only device I seem to be able to get working is the framebuffer, which luna will fight with... it's really nice and really fast, but flickers a ton if you tap the screen heh |
| 21:28.02 | Frozenbinary | I see lots of drunk people at parties and I miss having the feature |
| 21:28.12 | BoBoYsDaDDa | i only use the video recorder app on phone like once every couple months. but sometimes u wish you could record something and u can't |
| 21:28.13 | Smubeht | my phone can take video can urs..uhh no not yet..but maybe in an update |
| 21:28.32 | MiX-MaN | oh ... who was talking about the doom stuff awhile ago? heh i host doom servers :P |
| 21:28.33 | Smubeht | heh Frozenbinary..yeah there are definitely times..but likely at parties there are people with digital cameras |
| 21:28.46 | MiX-MaN | well.. skulltag |
| 21:29.14 | BoBoYsDaDDa | the doom app is bad ass if it just launched regular without running script to do it |
| 21:29.29 | jacques | mdklein: I read your wiki page. I have a my TI account, but I was unable to find the opengl bin file you mentioned. where on TI's site is it? |
| 21:29.39 | Frozenbinary | Soooo who can help me with what exe I need to disable to update my software without reprovisioning??? |
| 21:29.42 | mdklein | sec |
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| 21:30.23 | zsoc | destinal-work: SDL_keysym |
| 21:30.23 | jacques | mdklein: did you download one of the x86 emulation packages and cross-compile the source? |
| 21:30.35 | jacques | most of the links I found were mailto:'s |
| 21:30.38 | mdklein | I had a toolchain set up for cross compiling pre kernels from awhile back, there's a wiki page on that, I just used that toolchain |
| 21:30.41 | Smubeht | my response to ppl who ask me why my phone doesnt have such and such feature is a simple..does ur phone multitask? haha |
| 21:30.44 | Smubeht | works every time.. |
| 21:30.58 | MiX-MaN | heh |
| 21:31.15 | MiX-MaN | i always use, "theres a patch for that" |
| 21:31.16 | Templarian | rwhitby: yea, I loled when I saw it. |
| 21:31.22 | MiX-MaN | wether there is or not :P |
| 21:31.28 | MiX-MaN | usally shuts em up |
| 21:31.34 | rwhitby | Templarian: I thought it was the perfect icon |
| 21:31.54 | Smubeht | but 'theres a patch for that' leaves the person thinking ok..well i can jailbreak my phone and do stuff(even though patching is easier than jailbreaking) and also leaves them with the well its not straight out of the box |
| 21:32.09 | mdklein | the toolchain instructions were from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels though make sure you grab the 2007q3-51 release, the 2009 is too new for the palm stdc++ libs |
| 21:32.10 | jacques | mdklein: but you started with one of the x86 SDK packages from TI's site? |
| 21:32.12 | Smubeht | ud be surprised how many ppl dont know about precentral and preware and the likes |
| 21:32.27 | Frozenbinary | +$%8: v5% of people are too dumb to even try to root the phone lol |
| 21:32.28 | Smubeht | ive already taught like 4 ppl who i found have pres how to do stuff like this |
| 21:32.40 | mdklein | jacques: I just unpacked that file I linked you, set up my pre-compiler environment and typed "make" |
| 21:32.41 | jacques | mdklein: ah goo d to know about the toolchain, I would have used 2009q1 |
| 21:32.47 | mdklein | copied the files over |
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| 21:32.50 | mdklein | set up powervr.ini |
| 21:32.58 | mdklein | and watched the OpenGL apps |
| 21:33.13 | jacques | mdklein: duh sorry, wasn't watching my weechat well enough :-) |
| 21:33.29 | rwhitby | http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals |
| 21:33.40 | mdklein | anyway, I need to run for a bit, be back |
| 21:34.17 | Smubeht | is that u rod? |
| 21:34.50 | Frozenbinary | So noone can tell me which files in usr bin are for provisioning? |
| 21:34.57 | Smubeht | i have no clue Frozenbinary |
| 21:34.58 | Smubeht | lol |
| 21:35.27 | MiX-MaN | Sweet! "This update improves battery life in areas of poor wireless network coverage." |
| 21:35.31 | rwhitby | Smubeht: yep |
| 21:35.36 | MiX-MaN | i hope so... my phone only last about 2 hours at my parents house |
| 21:35.50 | Smubeht | pretty good at doom =P |
| 21:35.51 | Smubeht | haha |
| 21:36.13 | rwhitby | Smubeht: that was the second take. |
| 21:36.46 | Smubeht | which hand are u using to hold the camera lol |
| 21:36.47 | Smubeht | =P |
| 21:37.19 | jacques | MiX-MaN: what has really saved me is the roam-only patch |
| 21:37.20 | PreGame | anyone know why my application cannot access my service? i get permission denied however it is in both public and private bus |
| 21:37.34 | jacques | because at work I have terrible sprint coverage |
| 21:37.52 | MiX-MaN | jacques: i almost never used wifi, i forgot to turn it off at my parents one day and the batt life improved alot |
| 21:38.01 | MiX-MaN | so i've been leaving wifi on when i go there |
| 21:38.09 | rwhitby | Smubeht: I filmed it sitting on the macbook, with the camera on a box on the trackpad |
| 21:39.12 | Smubeht | anyways kudos..to u zsoc and destinal-work and whoever else worked on it..it is fantastic |
| 21:39.29 | Smubeht | u guys never fail to impress |
| 21:39.30 | Smubeht | =) |
| 21:40.53 | MiX-MaN | ohhh wtf... it says unpacking then it said error downloading :/ |
| 21:41.05 | rwhitby | so anyone know how I can get the webosinternals youtube channel to show a video that someone else uploaded? |
| 21:46.36 | PreGame | anyone? |
| 21:47.27 | jacques | PreGame: does dbus-monitor show anything interesting? |
| 21:48.06 | PreGame | dbus-util --capture? |
| 21:49.40 | jacques | PreGame: I guess that does about the same things as dbus-monitor |
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| 21:54.38 | Templarian | nice video rwhitby :) |
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| 21:55.04 | Templarian | Should of edited in some doom music though. |
| 21:55.23 | rwhitby | Templarian: now you're way above my production capabilities ;-) |
| 21:56.01 | Templarian | It's better than the other guys video trying to open the solid steel door. |
| 21:56.14 | gkatsev | w00t, cheatcodes still work on doom. :) |
| 21:56.15 | PreGame | no nothing |
| 21:56.29 | PreGame | i still get permission denied but it works if i run the commands via command line |
| 21:56.50 | gkatsev | rwhitby: well, soon, videolan will release their video editor and it should be easy. |
| 21:56.58 | gkatsev | rwhitby: whats your main OS btw? |
| 21:57.13 | rwhitby | gkatsev: all three |
| 21:57.22 | jacques | rwhitby has a mac. he should be able to effortlessly edit video ;-) |
| 21:57.39 | gkatsev | rwhitby: your main? you use all three equally? |
| 21:57.40 | destinal-work | gkatsev: VideoLAN Movie Creator, eh? should be cool |
| 21:57.44 | MiX-MaN | ohhh wtf... said downloading... went to unpacking.. now its downloading again |
| 21:58.06 | gkatsev | destinal-work: yeah, it should. :) |
| 21:58.18 | gkatsev | the screen shots ive seen of it are pretty cool |
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| 22:02.05 | geist | yawns and checks in on the channel |
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| 22:03.12 | gkatsev | so, would it be possible to add tilt controls for movement in doom? |
| 22:03.37 | DrFunk | . |
| 22:04.03 | gkatsev | cuz that would be awesome |
| 22:04.10 | Rick_work | geist geist geist -- welcome sir. |
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| 22:04.28 | Rick_work | Nice gift from the kernal folks in 135 mr geist sir... |
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| 22:05.24 | Templarian | How do I press Y in doom |
| 22:06.06 | Templarian | "Are you sure this skill level isn't even remotely fair, Press Y or N" |
| 22:06.32 | Rick_work | use the keyboard |
| 22:07.02 | Templarian | He has Y binded to something else |
| 22:07.09 | Templarian | I'll try and shift it |
| 22:07.14 | Rick_work | oh |
| 22:07.20 | gkatsev | Templarian: use y or b to select y or n and then hit the screen |
| 22:08.02 | Templarian | It's not working |
| 22:08.14 | gkatsev | did you die? |
| 22:08.45 | Templarian | no I can't get past the yes no screen |
| 22:08.51 | rwhitby | gkatsev: macosx UI (8GB RAM laptop), emacs editor, ubuntu in a VM for Linux work, Windows in a VM for Windows stuff. SSH into the VM's and run emacs there too. |
| 22:08.56 | gkatsev | which yes no screen? |
| 22:09.16 | Templarian | I want to play nightmare mode |
| 22:09.58 | freakout | geist, you're always yawning. |
| 22:10.03 | freakout | narcolepsy? |
| 22:10.54 | freakout | do we have a video of doom yet? |
| 22:11.01 | gkatsev | freakout: there are two. one from webosinternals and one from precentral |
| 22:11.45 | gkatsev | lol "suggested retail price $9.0" |
| 22:11.51 | freakout | gkatsev: cool. I should have stayed up a bit later ;) |
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| 22:14.43 | freakout | where is the webosinternals vid? |
| 22:15.27 | Smubeht | [16:33] <+rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals |
| 22:15.34 | gkatsev | http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals |
| 22:16.11 | Smubeht | well im off to party on the new year..happy new year to all.. |
| 22:16.32 | gkatsev | Smubeht: have fun. |
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| 22:18.45 | jacques | biab |
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| 22:23.35 | rwhitby | freakout: did you laugh? |
| 22:23.52 | Rick_work | going home now. |
| 22:23.55 | freakout | lol - i only just realised there had been answers |
| 22:24.08 | Rick_work | freakout needs more coffee |
| 22:24.31 | freakout | Rick_work: haven't even had my first yet... :) |
| 22:24.39 | Rick_work | that would explain it |
| 22:25.39 | rwhitby | hasn't had breakfast yet. |
| 22:27.54 | freakout | rwhitby: rly? i used to be a chronic breakfast-skipper |
| 22:28.10 | freakout | now it's the first thing i do when i roll out of bed... need to get in the habit man |
| 22:28.11 | rwhitby | freakout: I'm not going to skip it - I only just got through the emails |
| 22:28.18 | freakout | breakfast first! |
| 22:28.26 | freakout | THEN emails! you can eat it while you scroll |
| 22:28.38 | rwhitby | I usually eat it while looking at the new precentral posts |
| 22:28.42 | freakout | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.04 | freakout | That's dangerous. some of the material in there could have you spitting it over your monitor |
| 22:29.38 | rwhitby | email and twitter is usually done before getting out of bed |
| 22:29.51 | rwhitby | but this morning I made an exception |
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| 22:39.25 | freakout | well, your vid has now been appended to the PIC article as well |
| 22:40.39 | FreeTim31 | Doom and Gloom? |
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| 22:43.36 | rwhitby | webos-internals needs a professional youtube uploader to step forward .... |
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| 22:51.02 | Shiggity | rwhitby: To upload from precorder or just in general? |
| 22:52.09 | rwhitby | Shiggity: I mean someone that's much better than I am at recording instructional and demo videos about the stuff we do, and uploading it to youtube in a timely manner. |
| 22:52.32 | rwhitby | someone to take on that role in the project |
| 22:52.58 | bpadalino | someone with a decent tripod and camera should be a prereq |
| 22:53.25 | Shiggity | bpadalino: I figured it would have been a good voice and a screen capture utility. |
| 22:53.43 | bpadalino | nah, nerdy voices are fine for this |
| 22:53.53 | Shiggity | Maybe I'm thinking along the wrong lines, but are you talking about something like the Ares video done in a usable format for WebosInternals? |
| 22:54.23 | Abyssul_ | how do you install novacom for vista 64 bit? |
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| 22:57.08 | Shiggity | bpadalino: Let me recommend Adora ;) |
| 23:00.03 | Shiggity | Oh, nevermind. You're talking about things like the doom video earlier! |
| 23:00.16 | Shiggity | Btw, epic job on that guys. |
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| 23:02.34 | MiX-MaN | :\ cant get preware to install |
| 23:02.42 | MiX-MaN | or reinstall |
| 23:02.46 | rwhitby | http://install.preware.org/ |
| 23:03.25 | MiX-MaN | cant remove it after updateing |
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| 23:06.56 | alkos333 | I got bored: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20133549@N02/sets/72157623109965388/ |
| 23:06.56 | freakout | rhwitby: buy me a video camera and I'll do it ;) |
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| 23:08.34 | alkos333 | jacques: Tethering works great on 1.3.5 - no problem |
| 23:08.45 | MiX-MaN | i cant get wifi to work :\ |
| 23:08.54 | MiX-MaN | well.. couldent before the update either |
| 23:09.00 | alkos333 | I just added an echo line to /etc/event.d/ipforward script so that it sets it to 1 at boot-up |
| 23:09.17 | jacques | alkos333, yeah I know. uh, I mean, cool :-) |
| 23:09.36 | alkos333 | lool |
| 23:10.08 | MiX-MaN | uhhhhh this is'nt good :\ |
| 23:10.10 | alkos333 | There's a thread on precentral's forum, claiming that the value keeps going back to 0, but I'm not getting that behavior |
| 23:10.19 | MiX-MaN | turned dev mode off and all my icons vanished |
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| 23:11.44 | MiX-MaN | alkos333: is that for the wifi issue? |
| 23:12.32 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: I'm using usbnet to tether |
| 23:12.36 | MiX-MaN | ah |
| 23:12.43 | alkos333 | I haven't messed around with iwconfig in order to turn it into an ad-hoc AP |
| 23:12.49 | alkos333 | Just don't really have a need for it. |
| 23:13.08 | alkos333 | I need a stable connection and I'd like the Pre to charge while at it and usbnet accomplishes both |
| 23:13.19 | jacques | yeah, usbnet is great |
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| 23:13.34 | MiX-MaN | i wanna get it going to the touch and the laptop |
| 23:13.49 | MiX-MaN | btw has anyone been chraged for tethering yet though sprint? |
| 23:13.56 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: You can either use mytether, which I don't like much because I'm always in favor of getting things done manually for the sake of learning at least. However, check out the following thread: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185206-possible-tether-work-around.html#post1669830 |
| 23:14.32 | jacques | does sprint even have a plan that includes tethering? |
| 23:14.36 | MiX-MaN | ahh nice.. i was gonna digg around for exactly that |
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| 23:14.42 | MiX-MaN | yes and no |
| 23:14.47 | MiX-MaN | depends on the rep you talk to |
| 23:15.01 | MiX-MaN | took 3 trys to get the tether plan w/ my old wm6 phone |
| 23:15.13 | MiX-MaN | i think its like 35$ more |
| 23:15.25 | alkos333 | jacques: Yes, who knows.. |
| 23:15.34 | MiX-MaN | wierd.. ok.. so if i turn off dev mode all my icons vansih |
| 23:15.36 | alkos333 | Sometimes the reps don't even know. |
| 23:15.38 | MiX-MaN | turn it on.. they come back |
| 23:16.01 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: Are you using Preware? |
| 23:16.15 | MiX-MaN | alkos333: trying to get it working.. im getting the nofeeds error after the update |
| 23:16.23 | MiX-MaN | cant get it to remove itself and reinstall |
| 23:17.00 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: I've never really used Preware |
| 23:17.09 | MiX-MaN | alkos333: also.. thanks for the link.. im gonna take a look at that one :) |
| 23:17.15 | alkos333 | I just reserve to shell scripts and quilt if necessary. |
| 23:17.21 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: np |
| 23:17.41 | MiX-MaN | if that works well.. ill leave it up 24x7 |
| 23:17.47 | alkos333 | I just set up bash with vi editing mode and a colored prompt earlier today |
| 23:17.49 | MiX-MaN | cause i never use the wifi otherwise.. |
| 23:17.52 | alkos333 | Feels like home again :) |
| 23:17.56 | MiX-MaN | heh |
| 23:18.12 | MiX-MaN | im so used to freebsd .. anytime i go into a linux env .. im lost |
| 23:18.24 | alkos333 | hehe |
| 23:18.36 | alkos333 | I'm a Slackware user, so get the best of both worlds ;) |
| 23:18.41 | alkos333 | *so I get |
| 23:18.42 | MiX-MaN | nice |
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| 23:18.46 | MiX-MaN | i used to run it |
| 23:18.54 | MiX-MaN | ions ago |
| 23:18.57 | alkos333 | Slackware64 13.0 is a candy |
| 23:19.02 | MiX-MaN | ohhh preware is working again |
| 23:19.12 | MiX-MaN | guess i needed to install the package manger also |
| 23:19.23 | MiX-MaN | anyways.. off to the parents.. laters yall |
| 23:19.27 | MiX-MaN | thanks :) |
| 23:20.08 | alkos333 | I'm going to set up a virtual machine for Slackware64 13.0 in qemu tomorrow and try to convert it into a multilib in order to run some 32-bit apps. Want to make sure everything runs smoothly before I do it on my primary system. |
| 23:20.21 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: Later, Happy New Year. |
| 23:20.29 | MiX-MaN | you too.. |
| 23:20.32 | jacques | I would consider paying for tethering if it was truly unlimited |
| 23:20.33 | MiX-MaN | oh hey.. question :) |
| 23:20.51 | jacques | $30 extra seems to be pretty standard |
| 23:20.51 | MiX-MaN | anyone know how to access the gps via the shell? |
| 23:20.59 | alkos333 | jacques: I would, too. I'm getting very different speeds at three different Starbucks locations so far :P |
| 23:21.13 | MiX-MaN | i want to make a lil tcl program to send the data to a server |
| 23:21.15 | alkos333 | MiX-MaN: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:21.43 | MiX-MaN | i have the server wrote already running on of my boxes.. im basicly going to make a sort-of like gpsgate |
| 23:21.58 | MiX-MaN | but i only know tcl .. so :\ |
| 23:22.00 | MiX-MaN | heh |
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| 23:23.05 | MiX-MaN | basicly what i would use it for is 1) real-time updates to gmaps api 2) APRS interface 3) uhhhh 4) profit |
| 23:23.22 | jacques | at home it looks like my pre maxes out at 160kiB/s |
| 23:23.23 | oil | lol, truly unlimited |
| 23:23.33 | oil | like any carrier is going to ever give that to any customer |
| 23:23.41 | MiX-MaN | even there broadband plans are not "unlimited" |
| 23:23.44 | MiX-MaN | their |
| 23:23.53 | MiX-MaN | i was capped at 5gb w/ the old card i used to have |
| 23:23.58 | MiX-MaN | 60$ /mo |
| 23:23.58 | oil | they're limited unlimited |
| 23:23.59 | MiX-MaN | f that |
| 23:24.12 | MiX-MaN | unlimitly limited |
| 23:24.30 | jacques | well, 50GiB/month would be OK I guess |
| 23:24.52 | MiX-MaN | ok.. gotta run.. laterz :) |
| 23:25.01 | oil | if its got a limit, its definitely not unlimited... |
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| 23:26.13 | alkos333 | jacques: Check out these speeds: http://bit.ly/8K7eRL |
| 23:26.35 | alkos333 | jacques: What's your data usage on average? |
| 23:26.49 | alkos333 | I mean what does your sprint account report for data usage? |
| 23:27.41 | jacques | alkos333, I've only had my Pre for under two weeks |
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| 23:27.48 | rwhitby | the doom thread on PreCentral is hilarious |
| 23:27.57 | jacques | alkos333, and before that I wasn't using data |
| 23:28.50 | Shiggity | Actually, they are supposed to have 4g here. |
| 23:28.57 | oil | yeah, people really don't know how to change directories |
| 23:29.04 | PreGame | cd |
| 23:29.11 | PreGame | cd = compact disc |
| 23:30.52 | oil | lol |
| 23:30.59 | alkos333 | loool |
| 23:31.15 | oil | so rwhitby: still need me to whip up an app? |
| 23:31.24 | alkos333 | Shiggity: I think it's more of a marking term at best. 4G is a bit of a hype - I don't think it's very pratical yet. |
| 23:31.27 | alkos333 | *practical |
| 23:31.42 | Shiggity | alkos333: I've seen mixed results here. If you're by the tower, it's epic. |
| 23:32.03 | Shiggity | If you're not, RFC 1147 might be your better bet. |
| 23:34.05 | rwhitby | oil: yeah, one that calls a new method on ipkgservice :-) |
| 23:34.17 | meCka_ | whos running a pre on sprint? |
| 23:34.21 | meCka_ | in the US? |
| 23:34.28 | Shiggity | Here |
| 23:35.21 | PreGame | wouldn't everyone be running it on sprint in the US? |
| 23:35.57 | Shiggity | That's what they want you to think... |
| 23:36.28 | meCka_ | PreGame: Nope. I know people that have a GSM Pre here in the states. |
| 23:36.56 | alkos333 | Shiggity: hehe .. |
| 23:38.27 | rwhitby | oil: I'm on board with Destinal's plans for an upstart control service, which the app stub then just calls. no additional signature checking required, it's a generally useful service, and it allows us to have dependencies between the scripts and other good upstart stuff. |
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| 23:42.31 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: yes, upstart service, nay for using upstart to start them |
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| 23:48.59 | rposa | G'evening. |
| 23:49.24 | rposa | Has anyone seen a Pre get "bricked" by installation of Precorder? |
| 23:49.36 | bpadalino | never seen a pre get bricked ever :( |
| 23:49.44 | oil | looks disapprovingly at zsoc |
| 23:49.46 | destinal-work | rposa: nobody has seen a pre get bricked so that it can't be doctored anywhere |
| 23:49.54 | destinal-work | rposa: unless hardware damage |
| 23:49.57 | rposa | Ok, on second battery pull, now it seems like it might be booting... |
| 23:50.18 | rposa | Ok, I said Bricked .. didn't really mean bricked. I meant .. locked up. Battery pull gets stuck on first Palm screen. |
| 23:50.24 | rposa | but ... now it seems to be booting |
| 23:50.30 | bpadalino | ah |
| 23:50.32 | destinal-work | rposa: ah, yeah, freezes happen |
| 23:50.45 | rposa | never saw that happen :) |
| 23:50.46 | bpadalino | definitely had freezes occur |
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| 23:55.38 | rposa | Weird, after the freeze/lockup, the PreCorder app has disappeared. Maybe the phone was in the process of moving it to the cryptofs |
| 23:58.48 | rposa | ok, somone say something please |
| 23:58.49 | rposa | :) |
| 23:59.25 | rwhitby | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2120236 |
