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| 00:36.46 | sjanssen | has anybody looked into voicemail stuff? I want to make Google Voice seem as native as possible |
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| 00:58.22 | ird | sjanssen: http://www.precentral.net/how-get-visual-voicemail-your-pre-or-pixi-using-google-voice |
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| 01:27.30 | zsoc | Ok I can't even make this up. I just played Pokemon Rumble for 30 minutes. |
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| 01:33.57 | gkatsev | gdial pro from preware plus the patch |
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| 01:37.36 | Abyssul | I played Pokemon Gold on my Pre for 7 hours |
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| 01:38.57 | zsoc | But this is nothing like a pokemon game. |
| 01:39.01 | zsoc | it's closer to children of mana |
| 01:39.05 | zsoc | it's terrible |
| 01:39.06 | zsoc | and awesome |
| 01:39.11 | Abyssul | Hehe |
| 01:39.15 | Rick-work | sjanssen to what extend do you want to do stuff that gdial pro doesn't? |
| 01:39.20 | Rick-work | That's pretty native. |
| 01:39.48 | Rick-work | and the dev for gdial pro works it pretty hard. |
| 01:40.07 | anonymous_ | is concerning that palm hasn't releaed next webos update yet.... many developers of their apps will be gone for the holidays... i'm gone next weekend, won't be able to support my app ... |
| 01:40.21 | anonymous_ | should palm wait til after new year or get it out the door with limited support? |
| 01:40.28 | Abyssul | anonymous_: go to #webos |
| 01:40.31 | zsoc | Screw native, I'm going to make an INDIGENOUS gvoice app. It's going to LIVE in a webos device, like a boss. |
| 01:40.40 | Abyssul | lol zsoc |
| 01:40.48 | Abyssul | Any progress with Precorder may I ask? |
| 01:40.50 | Rick-work | I am reliably informed that they are working long hours anonymous_ -- but that they can't ship it until the obvious bugs are fixed. |
| 01:41.08 | zsoc | Abyssul: i'm dying and puff is busy trying to change the future |
| 01:41.22 | anonymous_ | that's what i hear too... so maybe they should wait til after new year |
| 01:43.47 | Rick-work | I suspect they may. |
| 01:56.35 | Abyssul | zsoc, your dying? |
| 01:58.02 | zsoc | Abyssul: My dying? |
| 01:58.12 | Abyssul | you said "v" |
| 01:58.15 | Abyssul | "i'm dying" |
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| 01:58.31 | zsoc | Right, and then you asked me about my dying, but I don't have one that I know of. |
| 01:58.52 | Abyssul | What do you mean by "my dying" ? |
| 01:59.10 | zsoc | Abyssul: You said 'your' instead of 'you're'. |
| 01:59.16 | bpadalino | "who's on first" all over again |
| 01:59.16 | zsoc | I'm just being a grammar nazi |
| 01:59.28 | Abyssul | hehe |
| 01:59.39 | zsoc | I'm just very ill, I'll come out of it maybe |
| 01:59.51 | bpadalino | allergic to irc ? |
| 02:01.52 | zsoc | allergic to my current line of work, more like it |
| 02:02.10 | bpadalino | sounds like you need to call in sick .. eye problems .. can't see yourself going into work |
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| 02:25.47 | oc80z- | what's good |
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| 02:34.13 | atlanta | wsup everyone |
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| 03:15.28 | Rick-work | very little |
| 03:15.31 | Rick-work | quiet night |
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| 04:28.48 | LurkerXXX_ | openssh or dropbear... |
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| 04:41.43 | WillJitsu | I received a replacement Palm Pre in the mail a couple of days ago. I've noticed that when I use my bluetooth headset, I hear a bunch of static and crackling noises. This is the same headset I used with my previous Pre. Is it possible that this new phone has something wrong with the bluetooth module in it? |
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| 05:51.03 | Rick-work | off to bed |
| 05:53.17 | rwhitby | LurkerXXX_: openssh these days |
| 05:54.03 | jacques | rwhitby, I got a pre today. |
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| 05:57.35 | rwhitby | jacques: nice. |
| 06:00.10 | jacques | rwhitby, yeah, I like it. still learning how to use it. |
| 06:00.25 | jacques | I updated it to 1.3.1 at least. |
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| 06:01.28 | jacques | well it's midnight here. I gotta head home from a friend's house. I'll be on tomorrow from work. |
| 06:01.34 | rwhitby | jacques: got the SDK, WebOS Quick Install, and Preware installed? |
| 06:02.45 | jacques | rwhitby, I downloaded the SDK on Friday. The other two I will do tomorrow :-) |
| 06:03.05 | jacques | what's WebOS Quick Install? |
| 06:05.34 | jacques | well, I really gotta head out. ttyl |
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| 07:33.34 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I added a new file to the build.git/scripts on master. It allows you to install/remove a list of packages. It's dependent on ipkgservice already being installed, but otherwise it seems to work "good enough". take a look if you don't mind. I'm off to bed. night! |
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| 08:29.13 | tmzt | joshua: working on 3d stuff for Pre? |
| 08:31.03 | joshua | hmm not me, do you have me confused with the guy that was taking my nick maybe? heh |
| 08:31.40 | tmzt | not sure, your hostname |
| 08:32.33 | joshua | Ahh ok. I'm one of the few on icculus.org that actually doesn't code anything |
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| 08:35.03 | tmzt | hah ok |
| 08:35.23 | tmzt | heard that some 3d driver was being released for Pre |
| 08:35.34 | tmzt | no details though |
| 08:37.29 | joshua | Would be nice to have some kind of wrapper for something like SDL on it. At least flash support will be out relatively soon. |
| 08:38.22 | joshua | But I think with the differences in hardware Palm doesn't want app makers to have to make a different application for each device |
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| 08:46.38 | morphis | heyho |
| 08:57.35 | tmzt | I know, but the 7x27 is only a little less powerful than the tiled sgx, there couod be a way to support the same games on both I think |
| 08:57.49 | tmzt | not sure if the newer qdsp hardware is in it though |
| 08:57.58 | tmzt | for codecs |
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| 09:17.25 | morphis | anyone who already has experience with the touchpanel used in the palm pre? |
| 09:17.30 | rwhitby | morphis: hi - just updated the Boot Chain wiki page |
| 09:17.42 | morphis | rwhitby: hey |
| 09:17.53 | rwhitby | morphis: other than seeing the firmware being flashed during Doctor sessions, no. |
| 09:18.15 | morphis | rwhitby: (boot chain wiki page) great |
| 09:18.20 | rwhitby | morphis: the Pixi bootloader seems to have a different structure |
| 09:18.35 | morphis | rwhitby: I already looked a bit closer at the bootloader to find similiarties with u-boot |
| 09:19.04 | morphis | but I think it's developed by palm (with boring some code somewhere) |
| 09:19.19 | rwhitby | morphis: geist wrote it |
| 09:19.31 | morphis | rwhitby: maybe, cause it's another processor |
| 09:19.40 | morphis | geist is a palm developer? |
| 09:20.09 | oil | yes? |
| 09:20.20 | morphis | ok |
| 09:20.25 | rwhitby | morphis: yes, and sometimes hangs out in here |
| 09:20.38 | morphis | great |
| 09:21.36 | morphis | rwhitby: currently I investigating a little bit of my time in writing a plugin for tslib for the cy8mrln device used in the pre |
| 09:24.03 | rwhitby | morphis: how is the freesmartphone.org challenge going? |
| 09:24.39 | morphis | rwhitby: currently we are stucked with the modem protocol |
| 09:24.53 | morphis | rwhitby: it seems to be more complex as we thought initially |
| 09:25.21 | morphis | rwhitby: I don't worked on this the last weeks |
| 09:25.44 | morphis | rwhitby: tried first to boot my own initramfs with running some e17 gui |
| 09:26.29 | rwhitby | oil: so I have some regression tests in place now - did you see the available other issue in Trac? |
| 09:27.18 | morphis | rwhitby: but I will work on the modem in the week berfore chrismas and maybe after chrismas is over :) |
| 09:27.50 | oil | no, i didnt |
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| 09:31.04 | rwhitby | root@qemux86:/var/etc/ipkg# cat regression-testing-1.0.0.conf |
| 09:31.05 | rwhitby | src/gz regression-testing-1.0.0 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/regression-testing/1.0.0 |
| 09:31.24 | rwhitby | oil: use that, and a similar one for 2.0.0, to access the regression testing feed |
| 09:32.38 | gogoyubari | Do anyone know if the blue z program is coming out? |
| 09:32.55 | rwhitby | oil: then you can install from 1.0.0 feed, disable 1.0.0 and enable 2.0.0, and test upgrades |
| 09:33.03 | oil | it works? |
| 09:33.32 | rwhitby | oil: I've only done simple tests so far |
| 09:33.38 | gogoyubari | ??? |
| 09:34.12 | rwhitby | gogoyubari: a little more context is needed for your question |
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| 09:35.52 | rwhitby | oil: but the mechanism for testing works |
| 09:36.25 | oil | well thats good :) |
| 09:36.54 | oil | btw: the only way type-to-search will work from the main scene is to include all the code from the list scene in the main scene |
| 09:37.02 | oil | the scene swap isn't fast enough |
| 09:37.13 | oil | and if you type 123456 from the main scene |
| 09:37.18 | oil | you get to the filter list with 15 in the search box |
| 09:39.04 | gogoyubari | Good night guys |
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| 10:37.02 | geist | morphis: the pixie cpu is somewhat different, so bootie has different stuff |
| 10:37.09 | geist | but it's the same bootloader, just compiled differently |
| 10:40.37 | joshua | somebody gonna put android on the pre, cause that would be fun. heh |
| 10:41.42 | geist | should be pretty easy to do |
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| 10:54.36 | IMGrant | Hey guys - I have a question about patches: I created a new patch that has an accompanying image file - how can I submit this patch? The patch submission web page only handles diff files. |
| 11:30.40 | Sargun | ping |
| 11:31.13 | morphis | geist: ah good to know |
| 11:31.31 | morphis | geist: are you also involved in modem stuff at Palm? |
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| 11:44.37 | Sargun | Geist! |
| 11:44.47 | Sargun | whatever happened the the nvidia hostmask from palm employees? |
| 11:45.06 | Sargun | Jun 15 09:20:06 *amirf (n=amirfren@searspoint.nvidia.com) has joined #webos-internals |
| 11:45.12 | Sargun | since then, never again |
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| 18:12.42 | lane | Anybody have jstop running? |
| 18:14.00 | gkatsev | i do |
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| 18:15.01 | lane | You made any phone calls? |
| 18:15.12 | gkatsev | yes, ive made phone calls |
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| 18:15.44 | lane | How many phone processes do you have running? |
| 18:16.19 | gkatsev | hm... not sure. i have that pid:9999 bug. |
| 18:17.05 | lane | Mkay thanks for trying. For some reason after I make a few phone calls 5 phone processes keep running |
| 18:17.16 | lane | And they won't die |
| 18:17.38 | gkatsev | hm, weird |
| 18:17.42 | gkatsev | does that happen always? |
| 18:18.21 | lane | It looks like it. Imma run the doctor on it and see what's up |
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| 19:05.42 | jettero | my car stereo has an aux port in the front and I'm using a wire and I wondered if anyone here has gotten that to work over bluetooth with an aftermarket kit? |
| 19:06.04 | jettero | I figure you have to sacrifice some sound quality to do pandora over bluetooth... |
| 19:06.09 | jettero | but the lack of a wire seems worth it |
| 19:10.01 | gkatsev | jettero: i dont think the lack of wire would be worth it |
| 19:11.22 | jettero | you could be right... |
| 19:11.27 | jettero | I still wanna try it |
| 19:11.44 | jettero | I mostly listen to podcasts like the naked scientists... sound quality isn't really an issue, but the wire is damned irritating |
| 19:12.19 | Rick_work | I agree. My christmas present to myself is going to be a low-end sony aftermarket car stereo with bluetooth built in. |
| 19:13.50 | gkatsev | jettero: naked scientists is awesome. |
| 19:22.25 | jettero | gkatsev: yes |
| 19:22.42 | jettero | Rick_work: I was thinking of that, but then I have to have it installed and soforth |
| 19:22.53 | jettero | (my days of taking apart my dashboard like a 20yo are way past) |
| 19:23.21 | jettero | probably worth it |
| 19:23.52 | jettero | I also want a touchstone gadget designed for the car... |
| 19:24.15 | jettero | there's plenty of phone holders, but no touchstone endpoints designed for use in a car, that makes no sense to me |
| 19:24.35 | gkatsev | yeah, in car touchstone would be great |
| 19:25.05 | jettero | there's plenty of DIY articles where people mounted a regular old desktop touchstone to the dash |
| 19:25.20 | jettero | it always looks pretty DIY though |
| 19:25.30 | gkatsev | is that bad? |
| 19:25.46 | jettero | not necessarily |
| 19:25.57 | jettero | but until I get to the bluetooth phase, it doesn't make much sense to go without one wire and not the other |
| 19:26.16 | jettero | in the mean time, I need something to attach to my leg to hold the fckr so I can drive with two hands |
| 19:26.53 | gkatsev | you should mount a touchstone in the center of the steering wheel, lol |
| 19:28.05 | linuxjacques | lol |
| 19:28.50 | jettero | hahaha |
| 19:28.58 | jettero | I'd get in accidents while trying to read it on a turn |
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| 19:32.52 | gkatsev | or mount it on the left/right side, so, you could control it with your thumb |
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| 21:05.34 | dBsooner | Wow.. What a QUIET day/weekend it's been in #webos-internals. |
| 21:07.37 | gkatsev | yells in dBsooner's ear. "QUIET ENOUGH FOR YOU?" |
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| 21:10.38 | linuxjacques | maybe it's the calm before the storm |
| 21:11.18 | oc80 | busy today? |
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| 21:22.46 | Rick_work | no |
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| 21:55.08 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:55.12 | dBsooner | gasp |
| 21:55.16 | dBsooner | SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING! |
| 21:55.30 | linuxjacques | howdy rwhitby |
| 21:55.35 | gkatsev | something |
| 21:55.39 | dBsooner | rwhitby: you get my pm's and subsequent message to the channel last night/this morning? |
| 21:56.07 | dBsooner | it was last night.. so it would have been afternoon/evening for you |
| 21:56.15 | rwhitby | yep |
| 21:57.03 | Rick_work | rwhitby morning to you. Did you get a chance to read over the intro piece? |
| 21:57.29 | dBsooner | i was thinking about having my install-remove-packs.sh script do a search of the ipkg -o list to determine that all the packs you have in your <list_file> are installable by ipkg service. |
| 21:57.31 | rwhitby | Rick_work: I started, but didn't get finished. It reads very well. |
| 21:57.40 | dBsooner | and cut those out that aren't compatible. |
| 21:57.53 | dBsooner | but I don't know if it's worth all that trouble or not. |
| 22:03.36 | dBsooner | i was also going to have it check deps |
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| 22:03.47 | dBsooner | But again, I don't think it would really be worth all the trouble. |
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| 22:39.57 | jauderho | has anyone see this scenario where the app catalog update thinks you need an update for an app even though you have the latest version install? |
| 22:40.35 | jauderho | I was checking the app catalog for updates when it said an update for card ace is available but did not offer me an upgrade button. strange. |
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| 22:50.53 | dBsooner | Rick_work: ! |
| 22:52.08 | Rick_work | here |
| 22:52.43 | dBsooner | take your cold weather back |
| 22:52.54 | dBsooner | you're making Oklahoma turn into Kansas. |
| 22:53.01 | Rick_work | ha |
| 22:53.59 | Rick_work | it's 17f here, you got 34. It's not even freezing yet |
| 22:54.03 | Rick_work | what are you complaining about? |
| 22:54.21 | Rick_work | Plus, it's snowing |
| 22:54.58 | dBsooner | whatever |
| 22:55.01 | dBsooner | its no 34 here |
| 22:55.08 | dBsooner | tonights low is like -100F |
| 22:55.32 | Rick_work | tulsa airport says 34f 1c. |
| 22:56.00 | Rick_work | low tonight 18f |
| 22:57.45 | dBsooner | pfft.. that's the airport |
| 22:57.49 | dBsooner | it's always wrong |
| 22:58.00 | dBsooner | it doesn't factor in where I am at in the boonies. |
| 23:00.29 | Rick_work | you working out in the eastern boonies out towards broken arrow? |
| 23:01.38 | Rick_work | mohawk to bixby, oakridge to broken arrow, the range of on-line reporrting stations runs from 31 to 33. :-) |
| 23:02.01 | Rick_work | 5 to 10 mph winds. |
| 23:02.36 | Rick_work | little freezing drizzle over towards harvy young airport and points east.... |
| 23:04.55 | dBsooner | really? that thing is way out dated then |
| 23:04.58 | dBsooner | cuz it sure looks sunny.. |
| 23:05.04 | Rick_work | weird. |
| 23:05.06 | dBsooner | but C-O-L-D |
| 23:05.09 | Rick_work | that's current noaa radar |
| 23:05.28 | dBsooner | i live about 5 miles east of Harvy young |
| 23:05.43 | dBsooner | harvy young is a tiny little airport |
| 23:06.13 | dBsooner | actually, 1.5 miles south and 3.6 miles east |
| 23:06.16 | Rick_work | http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=39.01564026&lon=-95.69744110&zoom=10&pin=Topeka,%20KS |
| 23:07.58 | dBsooner | show off |
| 23:08.09 | zsoc | suggests people read the webos-internals log to find out where dBsooner lives |
| 23:08.16 | dBsooner | Take your Mark Mangino quittin team and go home. :D |
| 23:09.18 | dBsooner | zsoc: if you can't google me by now and find out everything you ever wanted to know about me, then you are unaware of the powers of the internet. |
| 23:09.19 | dBsooner | all you need is someones name these days. |
| 23:09.19 | zsoc | My name won't get you far, but maybe because i'm rather anti-social-networking |
| 23:09.59 | dBsooner | has nothing to do with social-networking |
| 23:10.08 | dBsooner | public records, court dockets, birth-death records |
| 23:10.11 | dBsooner | all available online |
| 23:10.12 | dBsooner | census records |
| 23:10.34 | dBsooner | phone books, skip-trace records, etc. |
| 23:11.11 | dBsooner | even contacting the major reporting credit beureau can get you the last known address. :D |
| 23:11.18 | zsoc | Eh, requires effort. |
| 23:11.29 | dBsooner | not for stalkers. |
| 23:11.48 | zsoc | Clearly you've proven yourself. |
| 23:12.05 | dBsooner | nope. I have just had to track people down before. |
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| 23:12.22 | dBsooner | It was a job requirement at a previous employment. I will never be in that business again. |
| 23:13.33 | zsoc | right right, ok ;) |
| 23:13.35 | zsoc | Collections? |
| 23:13.43 | dBsooner | yeah.. that and Repo's. |
| 23:14.02 | dBsooner | pay's good.. but you can'gt have a heart. |
| 23:14.27 | zsoc | dBsooner: heart's ok, it's the soul that you gotta hang at the door ;) |
| 23:14.30 | dBsooner | i learned a lot though. was fun in college.. but I could never do it as a living. |
| 23:15.04 | dBsooner | i had to do a mobile home repo one time.. with the family still inside. |
| 23:15.47 | dBsooner | had to call the police to have the family basicallyt thrown out onto the street so we could pull it away. |
| 23:15.55 | dBsooner | talk about hard pills to swallow. |
| 23:16.00 | zsoc | That's pretty much the worst thing I've ever heard. |
| 23:16.02 | zsoc | You are a bad person. |
| 23:16.08 | zsoc | :> |
| 23:16.13 | zsoc | Just kidding, sorry, I couldn't resist. |
| 23:17.18 | dBsooner | I felt that way.. |
| 23:17.22 | dBsooner | Cars and junk are cake. |
| 23:17.29 | dBsooner | most of those you get without confrontation. |
| 23:18.00 | dBsooner | but man.. home siezures, mobile home's, rv's, etc.. not as easy. |
| 23:18.16 | dBsooner | and then collections.. Wow.. the stories you hear on why they can't pay. |
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| 23:38.37 | rwhitby | is wondering whether novacom can be transmitted over TCP-IP, to allow for sdk scripts to operate over WiFi when the Pre is on the touchstone ... |
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| 23:40.48 | en0x | i think its time to reflash |
| 23:41.57 | zsoc | en0x: like at the park? |
| 23:42.37 | zsoc | rwhitby: novacom can _probably_ work over TCP-IP, if you either hack it or confuse it to death |
| 23:43.02 | rwhitby | zsoc: novacom -a ftw |
| 23:43.14 | linuxjacques | does the develmode app unhide work on 1.3.1 ? |
| 23:43.16 | rwhitby | now, to get the port 6968 packets flowing |
| 23:43.24 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: meta-doctor |
| 23:43.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: well will you look at that |
| 23:43.45 | linuxjacques | rwhitby: OK I already have that page open, haven't read it all yet :-) |
| 23:44.26 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: you will want to git clone the meta-doctor, and modify the variables at the top. Increase your /var space for email and optware packages, and set dev mode on by default. |
| 23:44.32 | rwhitby | (and leave it on) |
| 23:44.59 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: if you've got real sprint service, comment out the activation bypass stuff |
| 23:45.14 | destinal | rwhitby: yeah, I was going to say, novacom already works over IP, the emulator uses it |
| 23:46.41 | linuxjacques | rwhitby: I assume devel mode is locked down so arbitrary people cannot access my pre ? |
| 23:47.05 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: yeah, all instructions on webos-internals.org leave a secure Pre by default |
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| 23:47.52 | Abyssul | howdy |
| 23:47.52 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: I'd like you to try out the Preware OpenSSH flow, don't follow the wiki NextSteps or Optware pages. |
| 23:48.12 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: my recommendation for you is: |
| 23:48.23 | rwhitby | 1) Meta-Doctor with 2GB /var and dev mode on |
| 23:48.32 | rwhitby | 2) http://install.preware.org |
| 23:48.50 | rwhitby | 3) Install OpenSSH SFTP Service (it will pull in all the deps you need) |
| 23:48.52 | rwhitby | 4) Profit |
| 23:49.12 | Abyssul | you forgot the ??? |
| 23:49.26 | rwhitby | 5) for extra profit, use Preware to install ipkg-opt, and then revel in optware packages |
| 23:49.40 | rwhitby | 6) send me your ssh key for git.webos-internals.org |
| 23:49.57 | linuxjacques | apparently here at work I have no data service. it's a sprint service hole. |
| 23:50.36 | Abyssul | my pre is going between zero to full bars in one swoops every 5 seconds... |
| 23:50.46 | linuxjacques | I'm roaming now. and no wifi either. they don't allow that here. |
| 23:51.34 | linuxjacques | rwhitby: OK I'll have to get my ssh key from my personal laptop at some point. |
| 23:52.15 | linuxjacques | (copying down those steps now) |
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| 23:53.38 | linuxjacques | hmm, hadn't realized it's so late. I get to go home in about 45 minutes. |
| 23:53.58 | linuxjacques | where I have full bars of EVDO |
| 23:55.21 | Abyssul | I sit like a quarter a mile from a tower and I get 1-2 bars from my room lol yet if I go outside its 5. cmda ftl |
| 23:56.16 | linuxjacques | Abyssul: :-( yeah |
| 23:56.26 | linuxjacques | goes to try outside |
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| 23:56.51 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: if it's the same key from nslu2-linux.org days, I can copy it across from there |
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| 23:57.31 | Abyssul | is linuxjacques a new developer for webos-internals? |