| 00:10.15 | debilater | rwhitby: if i want to update, i have to edit the build makefiles and still have to push a version tag? |
| 00:11.22 | rwhitby | debilater: yes, push the tag, update the makefile to match, push the makefile |
| 00:11.30 | rwhitby | then it will be in the feed within 30 mins |
| 00:13.37 | debilater | rwhitby: ok fine |
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| 00:25.57 | debilater | wtf - i shut down the phone and it didn't came up, until i opened it, removed the battery, put it in and pushed the button |
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| 00:31.09 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 00:40.46 | debilater | ok, i'll leave now good night everyone (and a nice day, rwhitby overthere in downunder :) ) |
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| 01:25.26 | rwhitby | oil: ping |
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| 01:44.51 | zsoc | What do people do while they wait for code to compile? The only reference I have is that one xkcd comic where he's standing/riding on a rolling chair with a fake sword |
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| 01:47.07 | gkatsev | zsoc: tweet? facebook? kongregate.com? |
| 01:47.26 | rwhitby | start an open source project? |
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| 01:47.39 | zsoc | crap |
| 01:47.43 | zsoc | well i don't do the first 2 |
| 01:47.48 | zsoc | but the second 2 sound awesome |
| 01:48.13 | gkatsev | the awesome thing about kongregate is that you get points for playing which makes you play even more |
| 01:48.19 | prototypic | I smoke cigs while code compiles |
| 01:48.40 | gkatsev | prototypic: thats not healthy. you should stop |
| 01:48.45 | zsoc | cigarettes kill you. i don't particularly _enjoy_ my life but I'm not interested in dying :P |
| 01:48.54 | zsoc | gkatsev: my argument is less direct ;) |
| 01:49.10 | prototypic | ya think |
| 01:49.15 | debilater | rwhitby: preware shows oudated screenshots, could u take a look at it? |
| 01:49.15 | zsoc | gkatsev: the not awesome thing about kongregate is you're generally the only person over 12 playing any given game |
| 01:49.40 | zsoc | debilater: good work btw, your app came together really quick for a 1 man show :) |
| 01:50.48 | debilater | zsoc: thx, but it's hard to figure out the details... |
| 01:51.05 | zsoc | debilater: it seems you have them figured out! :> |
| 01:52.15 | debilater | well there are too much workarounds in it yet :-) |
| 01:53.12 | debilater | damn cool being on irc with the phone in bed *g* |
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| 01:56.20 | zsoc | debilater: very cool, also a little weird for us ;) |
| 01:56.27 | zsoc | at least you're not in the bathroom, lol |
| 01:57.27 | debilater | i ve seen a vid of someone putting the pre into water and it survived, so ... ;-) |
| 01:57.41 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i compile more stuff while i wait for stuff to compile |
| 01:58.10 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: that's silly. while you're here, where is that little tar'd package that the sandbox makes when you compile something? |
| 01:58.16 | debilater | lol |
| 01:58.30 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: huh what |
| 01:58.54 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: when you cross emerge a package, it installs it, but it also keeps a compressed package of the build |
| 01:59.12 | zsoc | oh.. it's in /packages |
| 01:59.13 | zsoc | ahaha |
| 01:59.14 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 01:59.15 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 01:59.54 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: so I don't really have the know-how to compile things outside of emerge.. it's annoying when i want to compile a single plugin :P do i just need a target system and a path to the libs? |
| 02:00.10 | debilater | ah gentoo users... |
| 02:00.20 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: make a ebuild for it |
| 02:00.33 | PuffTheMagic | by modifying one of the existing gst-plugins-* packages |
| 02:00.39 | zsoc | debilater: hey, you can hate all you want, for very simple cross compiling tasks it got me set up very quickly :) |
| 02:00.47 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: that's a very good idea |
| 02:02.09 | debilater | zsoc: ack, i'm on freebsd and thats harder sometimes |
| 02:02.33 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: what is the plugin name of the faac element? |
| 02:04.12 | PuffTheMagic | faac |
| 02:04.17 | zsoc | crap |
| 02:04.33 | zsoc | odd, the config said it was going to compile faac under 'plugins with external dependencies' |
| 02:04.42 | zsoc | i def have it set up right, and no compiling errors. |
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| 02:05.09 | Abyssul_wIRC | howdy |
| 02:05.16 | zsoc | er, well no errors that i saw... where is the log kept? |
| 02:05.38 | PuffTheMagic | it says at the end of the emerge |
| 02:06.22 | zsoc | it only says if it fails lol |
| 02:06.43 | PuffTheMagic | what areu trying to figure out? |
| 02:08.28 | zsoc | why it didn't compile what the config output claimed to want to compile :P |
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| 02:13.53 | zsoc | maybe try it with an extra_econf |
| 02:19.36 | rwhitby | oil: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/regression-testing/ |
| 02:24.58 | rwhitby | that's the start of a regression testing feed for preware |
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| 02:42.03 | loltacos | good evening |
| 02:43.35 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: how did you build media-libs/faac in sandbox? Or did you emerge it and then build the gst plugin faac against the external dependency? |
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| 14:51.46 | Abyssul_wIRC | hmmm can't wait to see this nes emulator progress |
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| 17:17.41 | prototypic | what nes emu? |
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| 18:12.41 | bpadalino | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/13/palm-pixi-clears-fcc-with-verizon-frequencies-and-wifi-in-tow/ - interesting! |
| 18:20.34 | sslow | That sucks for sprint huh |
| 18:21.02 | sdodson | have they cleared the pre too? |
| 18:21.50 | bpadalino | the interesting part to me is the pixi + wifi aspect |
| 18:22.24 | bpadalino | seems like people tend to like the pixi kb and form factor a little better .. and would get that over a pre if it had wifi |
| 18:22.38 | bpadalino | granted, the pre has a bigger screen .. but not a total deal breaker |
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| 18:28.08 | sslow | i personally dont like the pixi. Even if it had wifi on Sprint I would not switch |
| 18:28.40 | sslow | some do and thats ok, I just like the hidden kb |
| 18:28.58 | bpadalino | understandable |
| 18:29.02 | bpadalino | i am up in the air about it |
| 18:29.05 | bpadalino | i like a bigger screen |
| 18:29.40 | bpadalino | but i find sliding to type for universal search a little tiresome |
| 18:29.41 | sslow | the Pixi is more typical of a Palm device so I see why some people are drawn to it |
| 18:30.13 | sslow | the slider doesnt bother me at all |
| 18:31.53 | sslow | my daughters dont like it and want Pixis but I got their rants 1 month before the price drop so now they will have to wait |
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| 18:32.55 | bpadalino | a webos family, eh ? |
| 18:33.57 | sslow | except my wife, she likes her dumb phone (rant) and wont budge |
| 18:34.49 | bpadalino | if it just works ... |
| 18:35.03 | bpadalino | i've had some quirks with my pre .. a couple times i'd try to answer the phone and the mic was muted |
| 18:35.16 | sslow | I bought her one (Pre) and she didnt want it so I donated it to Jason |
| 18:35.24 | bpadalino | ah, that's nice of you |
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| 18:37.36 | sslow | well with all the work he and others here have done I figured Id get more by donating it(better apps and functionality) than the 200.00 i could sell it for |
| 18:40.26 | sslow | I also didnt realize that Palm wouldnt give test devices or I would have donated it to someone here earlier |
| 18:41.15 | sslow | jason was the lucky one, because i saw his post for donations first |
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| 18:43.51 | Marajin | sslow: Damn stubborn women huh? they can be irrational at times :p |
| 18:45.13 | sslow | Marajin: thats for sure, I have 4 daughters w/ phones and a wife, Everybody likes something different |
| 18:47.48 | sslow | bbl |
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| 21:22.05 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:23.11 | randallagordon | howdy |
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| 21:34.22 | dBsooner | morning rwhitby |
| 21:36.15 | rwhitby | My phone is now a Pre. Haven't touched the Treo 650 for 2 days straight. |
| 21:40.26 | dBsooner | WOW! |
| 21:40.32 | dBsooner | You like it? |
| 21:43.36 | rwhitby | yeah, I do. |
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| 22:07.51 | EdLin | I haven't touched my Centro either, in fact, I mailed it in for recycle... gets $27+ from Sprint, nearly the price they're selling it with a contract from third parties. |
| 22:08.06 | EdLin | ..since getting my Pre. |
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| 22:48.31 | dBsooner | egaudet: ping |
| 22:48.41 | egaudet | dBsooner, pong |
| 22:49.35 | dBsooner | egaudet: when did you remove ipkg -o $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT remove `basename $APP_DIR` from postinst do_failure? |
| 22:49.47 | egaudet | last week I think |
| 22:49.50 | dBsooner | why? |
| 22:49.59 | egaudet | installers handle it |
| 22:50.10 | egaudet | non-zero indicates error to installer which gets rid of package |
| 22:50.21 | dBsooner | well my test script doesn't handle it |
| 22:50.22 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 22:50.26 | egaudet | I should probably not use the world "installer" but yea Preware/QI |
| 22:50.36 | egaudet | well fix your test script :P |
| 22:50.44 | egaudet | bad news about that too |
| 22:50.47 | dBsooner | wahtever |
| 22:50.48 | egaudet | the scripts aren't going to work nicely on errors |
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| 22:50.55 | dBsooner | huh? |
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| 22:51.18 | egaudet | since when a patch fails to apply i do the dry-run to stderr to get the message to ipkg log |
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| 22:52.03 | egaudet | if you get a patch that can't apply during testing with a script it won't fail until you respond since it expects stdin when it asks to apply anyway or whatever |
| 22:53.56 | dBsooner | odd |
| 22:54.04 | dBsooner | cuz i am working them just fine with the 1.3.1 testing feed |
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| 22:59.15 | egaudet | because you aren't getting any errors? |
| 22:59.46 | egaudet | What I meant was errors that require input to continue. Like "reverse patch detected, apply anyway?" |
| 22:59.53 | egaudet | but for your testing that probably would never occur |
| 23:01.50 | egaudet | bbl |
| 23:02.10 | dBsooner | no it occurs |
| 23:02.17 | dBsooner | and somehow my script is going through it |
| 23:04.22 | oil | those guys with the gazillion football/hockey/etc apps |
| 23:04.27 | oil | like, wtf |
| 23:05.25 | dBsooner | they gamble? |
| 23:05.31 | oil | i mean |
| 23:05.43 | oil | didnt palm say it costs so much per year to sell your app in the catalog? |
| 23:05.48 | sdodson | i'm sure they write a loader and then each app is just a data file that they can use across all platforms |
| 23:05.55 | oil | their bill is going to be larger then what they get |
| 23:06.27 | sdodson | oil: Is it per app or per developer? |
| 23:06.38 | oil | isn't it both? |
| 23:07.29 | Rick-work | $99 per year for the developer plus $50 per app starting in about 2 weeks |
| 23:07.29 | Rick-work | but not yet |
| 23:07.29 | oil | righ |
| 23:07.29 | dBsooner | so what is it right now? |
| 23:07.30 | chrisa | I have to wonder who sits around and digs through FCC listings |
| 23:07.30 | bpadalino | is sideloading still on the table ? |
| 23:07.31 | chrisa | I guess if you're a tech blog it might be worth it |
| 23:07.31 | sdodson | So aren't current early access devs grandfathered in under cheap pricing? |
| 23:07.33 | bpadalino | chrisa, tech bloggers |
| 23:07.36 | Rick-work | right now it's $5 plug $0 |
| 23:07.42 | oil | right |
| 23:07.46 | oil | but they've got a ton of apps |
| 23:07.52 | dBsooner | Rick-work: do I have to have an app first? or can I go ahead and reserve my $5? |
| 23:08.03 | Rick-work | sdodson early dev's get grandfather'ed on the $99, but not on the $50 once they turn it on |
| 23:08.04 | bpadalino | chrisa, FCC has some good stuff up there .. and lots of nice equipment |
| 23:08.14 | Rick-work | app first |
| 23:08.16 | dBsooner | dang |
| 23:08.19 | Rick-work | and it may be too late dBsooner |
| 23:08.21 | dBsooner | Rick-work: give me an app |
| 23:08.31 | Rick-work | dBsooner screw you. :-) |
| 23:08.32 | dBsooner | Rick-work: my first app won't be ready in time |
| 23:09.00 | Rick-work | dBsooner fake something together. Yule Log 2. |
| 23:09.08 | dBsooner | lol |
| 23:09.23 | Rick-work | Even then, it may be too late. |
| 23:09.25 | dBsooner | so will your fee always be $5/yr? |
| 23:09.29 | Rick-work | nope |
| 23:09.32 | dBsooner | just first year |
| 23:09.35 | Rick-work | yep |
| 23:10.56 | oil | maybe im the only one that thinks they're not going to make their money back with that many apps |
| 23:11.30 | randallagordon | Aren't they $1.99? Just gotta sucker in 25 people... :P |
| 23:11.43 | Rick-work | not exactly |
| 23:11.49 | Rick-work | you only get 70% |
| 23:11.54 | Rick-work | less monthly paypal fees |
| 23:12.00 | randallagordon | aye, true |
| 23:12.04 | randallagordon | so 40 people |
| 23:12.05 | randallagordon | :P |
| 23:12.15 | Rick-work | right |
| 23:12.26 | Rick-work | it will still reduce app spam |
| 23:12.50 | sdodson | but what about ad revenue? |
| 23:13.04 | Rick-work | what about it. That's yours. |
| 23:13.08 | bpadalino | that's between you and the ad agency |
| 23:13.23 | Rick-work | as is any monthly subscriptions you might charge for web-based services. |
| 23:13.27 | sdodson | Right so even if they lose money on the sale they may be ok. |
| 23:13.50 | randallagordon | ...I just don't see them losing money on the sale, even |
| 23:14.00 | Rick-work | depends. Fill rates on ad requests for mobile right now suck dead bunnies |
| 23:14.51 | Rick-work | mobile ad providers don't have enough advertisers and too many slots. At one point last week admob fill rates got as low as 1/10 % |
| 23:15.15 | randallagordon | making even 50 sales shouldn't be horrendously difficult, unless the apps just suck (that's another line of discussion)... |
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| 23:15.30 | Rick-work | and google mobile adwords isn't live for webOS yet |
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| 23:21.37 | zsoc | people just aren't used to buying things on mobile |
| 23:21.52 | zsoc | until these companies can start working with providers to add charges onto the bill |
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| 23:22.07 | zsoc | mobile advertising just isn't worth it |
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| 23:44.40 | ird | Not everybody uses or needs wifi more than half of the people I know with the Pre dont even use it. I had to show at least 2 people how to turn it on. If you NEED wifi get the Pre because obviously you will benefit from the better cpu and camera as well. Wifi is something power users need not the customers the pixi is intended to appeal 2. |
| 23:44.42 | ird | lol |
| 23:44.44 | ird | er |
| 23:44.49 | ird | wrong channel. |
| 23:45.12 | ird | that was a comment I read on the wifi pixi. |
| 23:47.36 | LurkerXXX_ | wifi allows better battery life, which even 'mortals' may want. |
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