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| 19:35.05 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: they are in india.. it's all scripted. |
| 19:35.31 | oilsworkn | ROBOTS |
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| 19:36.09 | egaudet_work | i know |
| 19:36.10 | dBsooner | "the screen is blank, no light at all to it".. "OK, I want you to search for a contact".. "I CAN"T SEE ANYTHING.." |
| 19:36.22 | gkatsev | ~botsnack |
| 19:36.22 | infobot | gkatsev: thanks |
| 19:36.23 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 19:37.10 | oilsworkn | welcome back infobot |
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| 19:37.34 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: How many times have they "Checked with their supervisor"? |
| 19:39.24 | egaudet_work | none yet |
| 19:39.41 | egaudet_work | they just keep teasing with "maybe we'll get you to work with a specialist" or something |
| 19:41.38 | egaudet_work | grrr, I have told them at least 15 times that 12/3 was the last time my old Pre backed up... and now the guy finally asks me when the last date the data of the old pre was backed up |
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| 19:53.57 | gkatsev | just had the quickest luna restart ever. ~10 seconds |
| 19:54.56 | jauderho | how? |
| 19:55.22 | gkatsev | idk. |
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| 19:57.36 | Mousey | gkatsev: i'd like to buy some of that |
| 19:59.16 | jauderho | grr. |
| 19:59.24 | gkatsev | this time it got to 12 mississipis |
| 19:59.34 | gkatsev | s/p/pp/ |
| 19:59.35 | jauderho | why do vendors not carry the macbook pro with matte screen in stock? |
| 20:00.34 | Mousey | i got 39 mississippis |
| 20:00.53 | Mousey | f apple |
| 20:02.22 | gkatsev | Mousey: iphone? |
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| 20:03.46 | Mousey | gkatsev: iphone = garbage |
| 20:04.22 | Mousey | you should check out the Palm Pre tho.. makes the iphone look silly |
| 20:04.41 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:05.38 | rkguy | As egaudet_work sits on the phone with Palm support (I'm just saying) *waits for flame |
| 20:05.47 | rkguy | :P |
| 20:05.55 | egaudet_work | it's not phone :P it's online chat |
| 20:05.59 | egaudet_work | phone call costs $15 |
| 20:06.01 | egaudet_work | ! |
| 20:06.04 | rkguy | ahh, i stand corrected. |
| 20:09.24 | gkatsev | Mousey: im confused. you have a pre right? but you said 39 mississippis? was that for luna restart? was the f apple for the matte screen? |
| 20:09.39 | Mousey | yes, bah mac book |
| 20:09.47 | gkatsev | ok. lol |
| 20:09.55 | gkatsev | i got confused there for a sec |
| 20:10.26 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:11.01 | Mousey | sorry, i context switch without warning. ooo, puppies1 |
| 20:11.03 | Mousey | 1=! |
| 20:11.24 | gkatsev | Mousey: use, s///, then infobot will replace it for me |
| 20:11.26 | gkatsev | s/me/you/ |
| 20:11.29 | gkatsev | see? |
| 20:12.43 | Mousey | oooooh i know |
| 20:12.48 | Mousey | i abuse it often |
| 20:12.54 | Mousey | but sometimes it's about style |
| 20:12.55 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:13.30 | dBsooner | gasps! egaudet_work is on twitter? |
| 20:13.37 | dBsooner | all we have left os PuffTheMagic and oil.. |
| 20:13.37 | rkguy | egaudet_work: I left a quick note to Palm on twitter for you. I've heard it can help move things along. Anybody have positive experience with communicating w/ palm via twitter |
| 20:13.39 | rkguy | ? |
| 20:13.39 | gkatsev | he is? where? |
| 20:13.46 | gkatsev | looks around |
| 20:13.51 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: huh? |
| 20:14.13 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: to join in on the twitter/fb craze. |
| 20:14.18 | gkatsev | dBsooner: you mean twitter.com/egaudet? |
| 20:14.32 | PuffTheMagic | fb? |
| 20:14.38 | gkatsev | facebook |
| 20:14.44 | PuffTheMagic | yeah i know that |
| 20:14.46 | PuffTheMagic | there is a webos-internals group on that? |
| 20:15.03 | gkatsev | but twitter is better. twitter is for meeting new friends, facebook is for meeting old friends |
| 20:15.50 | dBsooner | twitter is for listening to random bird rants from chuqui.. |
| 20:16.09 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:16.47 | chuqui | phhht. just for that I'm going to lunch. that, and I can feel my blood sugar dropping... |
| 20:17.04 | chuqui | damn. It's 12:30. no wonder. how time flies when you're having fun. |
| 20:17.13 | egaudet_work | twitter.com/egaudet is not me |
| 20:17.29 | gkatsev | egaudet_work: lol, i realize. what is you? |
| 20:17.32 | egaudet_work | but if someone could convince him to give it to me :P |
| 20:17.34 | dBsooner | imagines the Palm Circus in the App Dev officfe.. |
| 20:17.39 | egaudet_work | twitter.com/silentLaughter |
| 20:17.40 | rkguy | whew, that's why i didn't put @egaudet when i posted to palm |
| 20:17.54 | egaudet_work | i don't know anything about twitter |
| 20:18.06 | gkatsev | hm... i thought i was following you already... |
| 20:18.52 | egaudet_work | I think my tweet rate is up to like 1 a month, maybe |
| 20:18.55 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 20:21.09 | egaudet_work | soooo since I can't trust the cloud anymore, what is everyone's favorite contact save/sync methods |
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| 20:22.51 | egaudet_work | thanks btw rkguy, for the support :P |
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| 20:29.37 | rkguy | two quick off topic questions: (1) does anybody know when Ares is available and if I can use it do to something like interface with a WIFI device? (2) is there any documentation on using the Pre Wifi to communicate with various devices rather than "infrasturcture |
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| 20:32.17 | egaudet_work | :sigh: they cant recover my phone numbers |
| 20:32.33 | egaudet_work | :( |
| 20:33.17 | rkguy | thinks his post makes no sense |
| 20:34.03 | gkatsev | rkguy: thinks there was a mention of some beta or other for ares before the end of the year (but i could be totally off). |
| 20:35.10 | rkguy | gkatsev: Thanks. I am hoping to do some simple data polling from that stupid ODBII wifi transmitter :/ |
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| 20:38.50 | egaudet_work | Wow, I didn't know it would be such a hassle to revert my data on their servers. I have to wait to talk to a "specialists" team to get my phone numbers back :( |
| 20:39.18 | en0x | and tjhey will tell u |
| 20:39.23 | en0x | that they are not able to revert it |
| 20:39.26 | en0x | and all is lost |
| 20:39.26 | en0x | ;d |
| 20:39.27 | gkatsev | chuqui: come back and make egaudet_work's life all better |
| 20:40.03 | egaudet_work | it's 3:36, i started chatting today at 1:55 |
| 20:40.13 | gkatsev | wow |
| 20:40.16 | gkatsev | that sucks |
| 20:40.19 | egaudet_work | I spent probably 30mins to an hour yesterday as well chatting |
| 20:40.38 | gkatsev | ~do hug egaudet_work |
| 20:40.39 | infobot | ACTION does hug egaudet_work. |
| 20:40.41 | en0x | u should throw a spell at them |
| 20:40.42 | en0x | :) |
| 20:40.46 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 20:42.03 | ird | god the pre takes so long to boot. |
| 20:42.14 | egaudet_work | Luna does |
| 20:42.20 | ird | does the pixi take like 5 minutes then? |
| 20:42.20 | ird | :p |
| 20:42.30 | egaudet_work | she takes her sweet a** time |
| 20:42.39 | ird | why does luna take so long? |
| 20:43.29 | gkatsev | as i said earlier, miraculously, earlier, a luna restart lasted ~12 seconds! |
| 20:43.38 | egaudet_work | don't know |
| 20:44.34 | ird | great.. |
| 20:44.34 | ird | now my phone froze :( |
| 20:44.34 | gkatsev | lol |
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| 20:44.54 | ird | and I have to take the battery off :( |
| 20:46.05 | ird | I need to order a touchstone already. |
| 20:46.13 | ird | The crack on the back plate of mine is getting worse. |
| 20:46.20 | ird | I let a stupid girl at work use my phone and she dropped it. |
| 20:46.22 | gkatsev | ird: order from amazon, much cheaper. |
| 20:46.30 | ird | yeah, PC store sucks. |
| 20:46.42 | gkatsev | ird: you let someone else use your precious phone? |
| 20:46.45 | gkatsev | ird: was she hot? |
| 20:46.48 | ird | yes |
| 20:46.54 | ird | why I called her stupid. |
| 20:46.59 | ird | everyone knows all hot chicks are idiots. |
| 20:46.59 | ird | :p |
| 20:47.07 | gkatsev | lol, ok, just making sure. |
| 20:47.26 | ird | and if there are any women out there, I was joking.. |
| 20:47.28 | ird | seriously. |
| 20:47.37 | ird | don't get all right to life on me. |
| 20:49.59 | Adora | ird: don't worry, you're safe |
| 20:50.00 | ird | precorder only records things I don't want to record :( |
| 20:50.04 | Adora | there aren't any chicks on irc |
| 20:50.12 | ird | Lies. |
| 20:50.15 | ird | I know a chick on tehflap. |
| 20:50.35 | ird | although, I think she's the only one. |
| 20:50.45 | Adora | bet a dollar she's faking |
| 20:50.54 | ird | I've seen her fb |
| 20:50.59 | ird | and I know the guy nailing her so.. |
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| 20:55.00 | gkatsev | does fb count as the internet? |
| 20:55.11 | egaudet_work | grrrr now I lost my text history again which had a couple numbers I needed |
| 20:56.07 | egaudet_work | hopefully the sprint store will replace my replacement with a quality Pre when I go back there today |
| 20:56.48 | gkatsev | egaudet_work: just back everything up to google contacts |
| 20:57.01 | Decimate | google FOR, THE, WIN |
| 20:57.10 | Decimate | palm lost my contacts a while back, i havent looked back |
| 20:57.44 | egaudet_work | yea I'm going to use google contacts and also back stuff up to my desktop |
| 20:57.48 | egaudet_work | from now on |
| 20:59.07 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 20:59.53 | egaudet_work | mornin |
| 21:00.03 | gkatsev | ~morning rwhitby |
| 21:00.04 | infobot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping rwhitby in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 21:00.28 | egaudet_work | that's pretty evil infobot |
| 21:00.42 | rwhitby | ~botslap |
| 21:00.43 | infobot | OUCH! That hurt, rwhitby! |
| 21:00.45 | gkatsev | i wonder what itll say tomorrow |
| 21:03.08 | rkguy | anybody see the N64 on iphone. Fake?? - I'd love to have it on the pre with the keyboard http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/07/iphone-3gs-emulates-n64-blows-minds-in-the-process/ |
| 21:06.06 | egaudet_work | only thing I can think of now is goldeneye! |
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| 21:07.44 | ird | I don't get why some videos work and some don't.. |
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| 21:10.06 | ird | guess I'll play a game of mw2 while my phone reboots. |
| 21:10.11 | egaudet_work | some are supported type some aren't? |
| 21:10.23 | ird | I mean precorder videos |
| 21:10.25 | egaudet_work | mw2 the camper's paradies! |
| 21:10.28 | egaudet_work | paradise* |
| 21:10.34 | ird | I hate campers. |
| 21:10.45 | ird | I have a class especially for when there's a game full of campers. |
| 21:10.58 | egaudet_work | the javelin glitch class ;) |
| 21:12.31 | ird | I didn't even know about that :(\ |
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| 21:18.08 | egaudet_work | you don't know about the javelin glitch? |
| 21:18.24 | egaudet_work | ps3 or 360? |
| 21:21.49 | rwhitby | Adora: no chicks on IRC - classic. |
| 21:22.07 | Adora | wut |
| 21:22.11 | Adora | he believed me, didn't he? |
| 21:22.21 | Adora | stereotypes exist for a reason! |
| 21:24.28 | ird | egaudet_work: : 360 |
| 21:24.34 | dBsooner | Adora = the HOTTEST chick on IRC... |
| 21:24.53 | ird | egaudet_work: my title is "joint ops" for a reason. |
| 21:25.13 | dBsooner | @webosinternals: thanks for not re-tweeting my tweet about new patches for 1.3.1.. |
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| 21:27.13 | Abyssul | howdy |
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| 21:27.32 | rwhitby | dBsooner: that was retweeted 13 hours ago |
| 21:27.36 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: You get your contacts back yet? |
| 21:27.45 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Nuh Uh.. I dont' see it in @dBsooner |
| 21:27.48 | rwhitby | dBsooner: http://twitter.com/webosinternals |
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| 21:28.18 | dBsooner | statement withdrawn. Please stricken it from teh record. |
| 21:28.30 | egaudet_work | dBsooner, NO I don't think I'll ever get my numbers back |
| 21:28.35 | dBsooner | slaps twitter.com for not showing crap in @dBsooner feed! |
| 21:28.41 | egaudet_work | 24-48 hours before a specialists team contacts me |
| 21:28.54 | egaudet_work | I chatted from 1:55 to 3:36 |
| 21:28.57 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Serious?? That's poor. |
| 21:28.59 | egaudet_work | to get nowhere |
| 21:29.06 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: your best bet is getting chuqui on IRC |
| 21:29.15 | dBsooner | ask chuqui what his bosses name is |
| 21:29.22 | dBsooner | and say.. HEY! Get my shiznet. :D |
| 21:29.29 | dBsooner | But only nicely. |
| 21:29.59 | Abyssul | egaudet_work: Did you lose you Palm Profile info? |
| 21:30.06 | dBsooner | of course those "specialists" are the same people that told me, "No, there absolutely no way to delete your profile. Once it is in our servers, it is there forever." |
| 21:30.30 | Abyssul | Meh, I lost my contacts via Palm, and I never went back. Im with Google now |
| 21:30.51 | dBsooner | to which the Palm Execs loved and are in the process of "edumucating (educating)" the sepcialists. |
| 21:30.53 | Kyusaku | should be able to restore an old backup if they actually know how to run a server. |
| 21:31.06 | dBsooner | I have never trusted my contacts outside my own control. |
| 21:31.14 | dBsooner | They are on my personally owned Exchange server. |
| 21:31.53 | dBsooner | to which I have offered rwhitby to let us create @webos-internals.org accounts to use to EAS to.. |
| 21:31.57 | egaudet_work | I wish I knew even 50% of the phone numbers :( |
| 21:32.04 | Abyssul | Hmmm Droid got the 2.0.1 update now |
| 21:32.12 | egaudet_work | damn technology saving my brain from remembering things like phone numbers, now see what you have done! |
| 21:32.20 | dBsooner | ~kick Abyssul |
| 21:32.21 | infobot | ACTION kicks Abyssul |
| 21:32.23 | dBsooner | no Droid talk. |
| 21:32.36 | Abyssul | Lol gotta keep an eye on the competition |
| 21:33.48 | dBsooner | egaudet: found a problem with your APT change |
| 21:33.53 | egaudet_work | finally |
| 21:33.55 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: ^^ |
| 21:34.06 | dBsooner | "theoretically" found a problem that is |
| 21:34.33 | egaudet_work | cmon qwerty lover type! |
| 21:34.35 | Kyusaku | I saw a recent Droid commercial showing off unobtrusive notifications. |
| 21:34.44 | egaudet_work | :p |
| 21:34.46 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: no. I want you to beg. |
| 21:34.47 | bougyman | yeah, me too |
| 21:34.50 | bougyman | i laughed at that. |
| 21:35.19 | egaudet_work | lol dBsooner, I rather just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. back to lala land |
| 21:35.54 | dBsooner | I am going to use two version #'s here in hypotheical world |
| 21:35.57 | dBsooner | 1.3.1 is current |
| 21:35.59 | dBsooner | 1.3.2 is new |
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| 21:37.07 | dBsooner | if we have a 1.3.1-99 package.. I feel we SHOULD NOT have it rebuilt for 1.3.2.. If we do.. it will build a 1.3.2-0, making it "unavailable" as in "not ported". We don't want that. -99 Gives a strict statement of "This patch/packageid is no longer available. It was removed and obsoleted for a reason. Please remove it and don't try to isntall it again." |
| 21:37.23 | dBsooner | if we build that same packageid as 1.3.2-0, it would have "This hasn't been ported yet. Please check back later" |
| 21:38.16 | rwhitby | dBsooner: a 1.3.1-99 patch will not have any 1.3.2 tags |
| 21:38.56 | Abyssul | Wow its been slow news in the Pre world |
| 21:38.56 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Right.. so since it doesn't have a 1.3.2 tag, the new APT will default to make a 1.3.2-0 |
| 21:39.18 | dBsooner | rwhitby: _ALL_ packages (read dirs in build.git/autopath) are made with a 1.3.2-0 |
| 21:39.19 | rwhitby | I guess you need some way of identifying the difference between no tag for not ported yet vs no tag for obsolete |
| 21:39.20 | pre_owner_va | hey all. i updated ipkg-opt through Preware today. It failed to complete (stuck at Downloading/Updating) so after waiting for a while i threw out the card and restarted preware. ipkg-opt showed as installed but to be sure i uninstalled and reinstalled it. I noticed afterwards that the "native" feed in /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf was no longer there (only the other two). Is this a bug or just because i uninstalled and |
| 21:40.06 | rwhitby | pre_owner_va: there is no native feed. where's the instructions which created the native feed entry so I can remove it? |
| 21:40.17 | egaudet_work | "obsolete" -99 stuff is the problem |
| 21:40.29 | egaudet_work | they should be removed from build.git |
| 21:40.30 | pre_owner_va | ill pull it up... and paste the link |
| 21:40.36 | egaudet_work | at least from autopatch/ |
| 21:40.45 | egaudet_work | build once, leave it in the feed and remove it from the repo |
| 21:40.51 | egaudet_work | at least from autopatch/ part of repo |
| 21:41.11 | egaudet_work | The "unavailable" category is not strictly "unported" |
| 21:41.11 | dBsooner | rwhitby: the new APT build scripts (common.mk) goes through and makes _ALL_ packages a 1.3.1-0 package.. which would make all of them "Unavailable/NotPorted" |
| 21:41.17 | pre_owner_va | its under step 7 here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed |
| 21:41.19 | rwhitby | well, I think that at a webOS version bump, you just delete obsolete patches from all feeds. |
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| 21:41.23 | dBsooner | then it goes into the second build loop and makes all the VERSIONS |
| 21:41.24 | egaudet_work | unavailable for an undefined reason which COULD be not ported yet |
| 21:41.30 | pre_owner_va | i didnt want to use the scripts so i did the manual method |
| 21:41.48 | pre_owner_va | should i go back in through vi and delete the native feed? |
| 21:41.53 | egaudet_work | rwhitby, you risk a user not updating until an update |
| 21:41.59 | egaudet_work | and then NEVER seeing their patch as "obsoleted" |
| 21:42.02 | pre_owner_va | ipkg-opt update doesn't evoke any errors |
| 21:42.10 | pre_owner_va | evenm with "native" included |
| 21:42.11 | dBsooner | I GOT IT |
| 21:42.44 | Treyx | where can i donwload the ipk for the precorder program? |
| 21:42.58 | rwhitby | pre_owner_va: actually, you're right - it's a bug in ipkg-opt in Preware. I'll update it. |
| 21:43.01 | dBsooner | create a "OBSOLETE" dir in build.git/autopatch. Then once the -99 package has been made, move the build.git/autopatch/<package> dir to build.git/autopatch/obsolete/<package> |
| 21:43.09 | dBsooner | because teh build script only goes one dir deep |
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| 21:43.20 | dBsooner | so it won't see any Makefiles in the subdir's for obsolete |
| 21:43.22 | dBsooner | so it won't build them |
| 21:43.35 | dBsooner | which lets us keep the Makefiles, but not have them built anymore. |
| 21:43.47 | egaudet_work | i thought we already had an obsolete dir? |
| 21:43.53 | egaudet_work | didn't you or weren't you making that |
| 21:44.01 | pre_owner_va | so wait, you mean optware.conf needs to include the native feed as the "manual" method stipulated? meaning i need not rever my edit |
| 21:44.21 | pre_owner_va | *revert |
| 21:44.35 | pre_owner_va | in other words optware.conf should look like : |
| 21:44.49 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Nope.. we decided not to do obsolete that way |
| 21:44.57 | dBsooner | because we should "very rareley" need it |
| 21:44.58 | rwhitby | pre_owner_va: pushed the fix, the autobuilder will have an updated ipkg-opt in the feed within 15 minutes. |
| 21:45.04 | pre_owner_va | echo "src/gz cross http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable" > /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf echo "src/gz native http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable" >> /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf echo "src/gz kernel http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable" >> /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf |
| 21:45.22 | pre_owner_va | er oops |
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| 21:45.39 | dBsooner | PASTEBIN |
| 21:45.47 | dBsooner | Did I yell that? my bad. |
| 21:45.58 | rwhitby | dBsooner: if the patch is not in autopatch, it will be removed from the Packages file for the old feed |
| 21:46.05 | egaudet_work | ok well then I believe the obsolete package .ipk should be commit'd to repo, and not something built |
| 21:46.08 | egaudet_work | it's a one time forever deal |
| 21:46.18 | egaudet_work | those should be removed from autopatch/ dir IMO |
| 21:46.32 | pre_owner_va | i guess my question is: do i need that line: "src/gz native http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable" (in addition to the two others), or not? or should i wait for a new package to show up in preware and update agagin? |
| 21:46.36 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I see what your saying.. |
| 21:47.01 | dBsooner | rwhitby, egaudet: I agree with egaudet's statement of commited to repo, and not relied upon a build script. |
| 21:47.08 | pre_owner_va | (sorry for being such a novice here, i do unix but still learning the intricacies of ipkg and webos) |
| 21:47.44 | rwhitby | pre_owner_va: wait for the new package and update again |
| 21:48.04 | dBsooner | but, in the mean time.. |
| 21:48.04 | egaudet_work | maybe make an obsolete feed |
| 21:48.14 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: you can't have something that is not built, but still exists in Packages |
| 21:48.40 | rwhitby | (well, you can, but then you would need to manually remove things from it0 |
| 21:49.01 | dBsooner | I vote for you breaking down the VERSION into a SUB_VERSION and checking ifneq [ "$SUBVERSION", "99" ] ; then \ $make 1.3.2-0" |
| 21:49.04 | egaudet_work | the Packages file is built based on ipkgs/ |
| 21:49.16 | dBsooner | that way it won't make 1.3.2-0 of -99's |
| 21:49.21 | pre_owner_va | ok thanks! and thanks for all your terrific work Rod! |
| 21:49.29 | egaudet_work | we could add a rule to a makefile to also add in ipk's saved in a dedicated obsolete/ipkgs/ dir |
| 21:49.46 | dBsooner | yeah, that too. |
| 21:49.59 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: yes, but then a rebuild of the autobuilder from scratch would give a different output. |
| 21:49.59 | dBsooner | Or we could just get SUPERCEDE working too |
| 21:50.19 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: must be able to rebuild the feed on a new machine for disaster recovery reasons. |
| 21:50.21 | egaudet_work | rwhitby, if the .ipk was in the rebo a rebuild from scratch wouldn't give a different output |
| 21:50.29 | egaudet_work | it would be part of the build process |
| 21:50.46 | dBsooner | the .ipk would exists in the obsolete/ipk's folder |
| 21:50.51 | dBsooner | and build process would just copy |
| 21:50.57 | dBsooner | no :"build"ing it |
| 21:51.04 | egaudet_work | the repo would include the .ipk already built so all the build process after building the .ipk's that are currently done is still valid for it |
| 21:51.26 | dBsooner | DID find something wrong in APT.. WOohoo! |
| 21:52.53 | egaudet_work | so the Packages file will still be generated from scratch, but rather than source building up an .ipk, we start with an .ipk that's already built |
| 21:53.05 | egaudet_work | (for the obsolete -99 packages) |
| 21:53.59 | rwhitby | pre_owner_va: grab -12 now |
| 21:54.17 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 21:55.29 | dBsooner | dang rwhitby and his work obligations. |
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| 22:12.24 | dBsooner | ~dict insanity |
| 22:12.41 | dBsooner | ~dict insanity |
| 22:12.51 | egaudet_work | nice dictionary |
| 22:13.02 | dBsooner | COME ON! |
| 22:13.18 | egaudet_work | trying the same thing over and over with the same results expecting different results |
| 22:13.23 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 22:13.23 | dBsooner | LOL.. doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. |
| 22:13.26 | oilsworkn | how funny is that |
| 22:13.37 | oilsworkn | that you were doing the same thing over and over again |
| 22:13.45 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 22:13.46 | dBsooner | Expecting a different result.. |
| 22:13.59 | dBsooner | i was proving a point to egaudet_work |
| 22:14.01 | egaudet_work | that is quite HILARIOUS |
| 22:14.10 | oilsworkn | calls luneybin |
| 22:14.17 | dBsooner | That chatting up Palm support won't do him much good.. |
| 22:14.20 | egaudet_work | so you prove your own insanity :P |
| 22:14.35 | dBsooner | Tu she.. |
| 22:14.39 | dBsooner | ~spellcheck |
| 22:14.42 | egaudet_work | well the supervisor guy might have got me back to 12/3 but I need 12/2 |
| 22:14.48 | egaudet_work | so I gotta get the supervisor guy back |
| 22:14.54 | egaudet_work | to do the same thing he did but to 12/2 |
| 22:14.57 | dBsooner | G'luck there turbo |
| 22:15.04 | egaudet_work | because he did fix the facebook sync'ing whatever |
| 22:15.09 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 22:15.13 | dBsooner | they CAN do something |
| 22:15.18 | egaudet_work | anyway, now to try my luck at sprint store getting a QUALITY replacement |
| 22:15.19 | dBsooner | j/k |
| 22:15.21 | dBsooner | real work time |
| 22:15.29 | egaudet_work | I have a feeling they will send me home less than happy |
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| 22:25.12 | sslow | dbsooner: it seems there alot themes that include patches, does PreWare handle those patches the same way? |
| 22:26.47 | Templarian | thinks "Preware" |
| 22:27.22 | sslow | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.00 | sslow | it seems like the problem lies with the themes containing patches. |
| 22:28.59 | sslow | i personally have never had this problem..Mainly because Ive never used somebody elses theme. |
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| 22:41.35 | pre_owner_va | ok ipkg-opt installed fine this time. for the record i am showing all THREE lines (for cross, native, and kernel feeds) in /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf after installing the updated ipkg-opt package in preware. is this as intended? should there in fact be those three feeds? |
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| 22:44.10 | rwhitby | pre_owner_va: yes, there should |
| 22:44.57 | pre_owner_va | excellent! thanks again! |
| 22:45.24 | ird | Is there a quick way to get my contacts in my palm profile into my google account? |
| 22:45.46 | pre_owner_va | i have to say (not using SSH) that using vi in the pres terminal using the hardware keyboard is quite a feat |
| 22:45.53 | pre_owner_va | (i know theres nano, but...) |
| 22:46.00 | pre_owner_va | fun stuff! |
| 22:46.06 | ird | I can never get nano to save. |
| 22:46.10 | ird | I just get a beep. |
| 22:46.10 | pre_owner_va | yeah |
| 22:46.13 | pre_owner_va | i had issues with nano |
| 22:46.24 | pre_owner_va | i dunno i know vi so i figured id use it |
| 22:46.29 | ird | So I had to learn how to use vi after years of avoiding it. |
| 22:46.47 | pre_owner_va | i had to consult the man pages hahahah |
| 22:46.54 | pre_owner_va | well not literally, i looked them up on my pc |
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| 22:47.09 | dBsooner | sslow: the problem lies withint there not being a strandardized Theme system. |
| 22:47.50 | dBsooner | sslow: It has nothing to do with patches/non patches, this that.. it has to do with People using WQI to install one theme, then trying to install another.. then maybe trying Preware to install one.. or remove one.. |
| 22:48.03 | dBsooner | sslow: It has everything to do with people "mucking" it. |
| 22:48.22 | ird | I don't see the point of themes anyways. |
| 22:48.25 | dBsooner | sslow: There needs to be a standard for Theme's. Which I have proposed a solution several times, but it seems a bit out of scope. |
| 22:48.42 | ird | dBsooner: what's your solution? |
| 22:48.52 | oilsworkn | typed out a reply to milominderbinder then reread it and realized he was being an ass |
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| 22:49.12 | oilsworkn | so I'm not going to reply, because I can't do it without being a jerk to him |
| 22:49.16 | dBsooner | create a "theme API".. where you have a list of allowed image replacements/code modifications (patches) |
| 22:49.38 | ird | Would palm have to do that? |
| 22:49.43 | dBsooner | ird: No |
| 22:50.11 | dBsooner | ird: I am saying you would have a list of images that are allowed to be "replaced".. then a theme builder makes their theme the same they always have with the XML and everything. |
| 22:50.26 | ird | ah ok |
| 22:50.28 | ird | I get it. |
| 22:50.46 | dBsooner | then the installer installs the them like it always has and puts an "installed" state file in a certain place that ALL INSTALL METHODS should check. |
| 22:51.01 | dBsooner | and ALL INSTALL METHODS should install/uininstall in the exact same method. |
| 22:51.10 | oilsworkn | bids dbsooner good luck at that |
| 22:51.13 | lingfish | meh... wtf is the point of the developer.palm.com forums when devs don't reply?!?! |
| 22:51.30 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: Tis why I am NOT going to take on that challenge. I was merely giving the idea. |
| 22:51.46 | dBsooner | doesn't use themes. |
| 22:51.50 | dBsooner | WON"T use themes. |
| 22:51.52 | sslow | dbsooner: Ive posted that there needs to be some sort of governing entity or something to test themes before allowing other people to use them |
| 22:51.57 | oilsworkn | you dont want "patch&theme meister"? |
| 22:52.02 | dBsooner | thinks themes make my Pre look like a crayon. |
| 22:52.08 | dBsooner | s/crayon/crayon box/ |
| 22:52.09 | ird | dBsooner: good call. |
| 22:52.13 | sslow | I dont have the ability to do that either |
| 22:52.24 | ird | I did like one theme but all it did was make the default theme gray scale |
| 22:52.24 | ird | :p |
| 22:52.37 | ird | That madolen guy makes me sick though. |
| 22:52.42 | dBsooner | im good with a brackground |
| 22:52.48 | dBsooner | and "no app launcher" |
| 22:52.53 | dBsooner | that's all the theming I need. |
| 22:53.07 | dBsooner | all this Messaging/Email UI tweaking crap is "yuck" |
| 22:53.21 | dBsooner | too "busy" looking |
| 22:53.28 | oilsworkn | rwhitby: your reply was much better then the one I typed out |
| 22:53.47 | dBsooner | then the top-bar multi colors/bold, or changing your "Sprint" (Carrier) to "MyKickAssPre" is gai. |
| 22:54.07 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: was I in the CC on it? |
| 22:54.08 | dBsooner | :D |
| 22:54.36 | oilsworkn | dBsooner: you're to require any and all patch submittors register at precentral and create a thread |
| 22:54.39 | dBsooner | tends to take everything craig has with a grain of salt. |
| 22:54.45 | oilsworkn | cause, that is apparently more open then what we have now |
| 22:54.48 | dBsooner | NEGATIVE |
| 22:54.54 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:54.57 | dBsooner | no no no |
| 22:54.57 | sslow | dbsooner: but... there are alot of people that like and request it |
| 22:55.25 | oilsworkn | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2083114#post2083114 |
| 22:55.27 | dBsooner | sslow: Then I recommend those people join the team and try to come up with/implement a universal standard. |
| 22:56.04 | dBsooner | But theming an OS that has no internal theming support is a nightmare |
| 22:56.08 | sslow | i dont mean themes.. Im talking about the patches |
| 22:56.14 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:56.16 | dBsooner | not one I would be willing to take on |
| 22:56.39 | dBsooner | what themes use patches |
| 22:56.40 | dBsooner | ? |
| 22:56.47 | dBsooner | none should.. |
| 22:57.00 | dBsooner | AnOutsider's (PreThemer.com) use sed replacements.. |
| 22:57.07 | dBsooner | or did.. |
| 22:57.09 | dBsooner | but not patches. |
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| 22:58.06 | sslow | some change the carrier string or did anyway I havent checked lately |
| 22:58.35 | ird | rwhitby: do you know if the testing feed info is still in the pastebin? I can't find it. |
| 22:58.49 | rwhitby | ird: prop expired |
| 22:58.49 | sslow | jasons themebuilder allows for the implementation of patches |
| 22:59.15 | oilsworkn | what patches and preware need, is a way to send variables to the postinst |
| 22:59.17 | ird | rwhitby: thought so. |
| 22:59.51 | sslow | bbib |
| 22:59.58 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: amen! |
| 23:00.19 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: have preware rewrite the postinst/prerm with the variable |
| 23:00.37 | dBsooner | s/variable/variable with input from user/ |
| 23:00.40 | ird | rwhitby: where is the file you have to edit for the sources? I have now forgotten. |
| 23:01.05 | dBsooner | sslow: The Carrier string was a "sed" replacement AnOutsider did. |
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| 23:01.39 | dBsooner | AnOutsider was the first to start the whole, "It needs to be standardized".. He wouldn't allow any themes to be submitted that wanted to sed replace outside what he had specified could be done. |
| 23:01.43 | oilsworkn | dBsooner: my initial thought was to put the data in the feed |
| 23:02.02 | oilsworkn | like, this variable is this type |
| 23:02.09 | oilsworkn | text, %, number, whatever |
| 23:02.11 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: example? |
| 23:02.14 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 23:02.17 | oilsworkn | like |
| 23:02.23 | oilsworkn | launcher transparency |
| 23:02.27 | oilsworkn | 0-100% |
| 23:02.28 | dBsooner | right.. |
| 23:02.37 | oilsworkn | preware would popup with a slider when they tap install |
| 23:02.44 | oilsworkn | and pass that variable to ipkgservice |
| 23:02.45 | dBsooner | But the only downside to this...... |
| 23:02.56 | dBsooner | It would make the ipk's no-longer "ipk standard" |
| 23:03.02 | dBsooner | they would be IPKGService isntallable only |
| 23:03.03 | oilsworkn | and ipkgservice would slap the variables at the end of the postinst |
| 23:03.05 | dBsooner | or Preware even |
| 23:03.16 | oilsworkn | or command line |
| 23:03.24 | dBsooner | because I had suggested that as well |
| 23:03.25 | oilsworkn | after you install you run the postinst with your variables |
| 23:03.31 | ird | oilsworkn: I was thinking of the same kind of thing for the carrier string. |
| 23:04.07 | dBsooner | and even do one as a "drop down" selection.. where you select a specific option from a drop down and it applies.. like "COlor of Top Bar" |
| 23:04.12 | ird | rwhitby: I found it, nevermind. /var/etc/ipkg |
| 23:04.17 | dBsooner | you choose from a list of 24 colors or whatever. |
| 23:04.24 | ird | or a hex color :p |
| 23:04.32 | oilsworkn | becuase the feed would tell it that this variable is a color |
| 23:04.36 | oilsworkn | so preware would use the color form |
| 23:04.38 | dBsooner | ird: KISS |
| 23:04.53 | ird | I was just saying. |
| 23:04.58 | dBsooner | so was I. :D |
| 23:05.13 | oilsworkn | it would use egaudets color widget that he is eventually going to get to |
| 23:05.15 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 23:05.17 | dBsooner | remember, the majority of people that are doing this don't know what Linux is.. |
| 23:05.21 | dBsooner | or don't know what the Pre is. |
| 23:05.45 | dBsooner | The ones that do use all this, and know what they are doing, we never hear from. |
| 23:05.46 | ird | A color selector would be ideal. |
| 23:05.55 | ird | You heard from me :p |
| 23:05.59 | dBsooner | So those aren't the ones you worry about.. its the one that can't figure out where the any button is.. |
| 23:06.19 | ird | My grandparents got a laptop last year, that was the first question they asked me.. |
| 23:06.50 | dBsooner | OIL! My computer went off after the last power outage...! |
| 23:06.59 | dBsooner | I can't touch it... come fix it! |
| 23:07.05 | oilsworkn | gets in car |
| 23:07.20 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:07.24 | oilsworkn | it wasn't all that simple |
| 23:07.29 | oilsworkn | they know how to turn the pcs on |
| 23:07.33 | oilsworkn | they just don't know how to troubleshoot |
| 23:07.41 | dBsooner | heh |
| 23:07.41 | oilsworkn | after you try the pc power button |
| 23:07.48 | oilsworkn | you try the reset button on the powerstrip |
| 23:07.51 | oilsworkn | then if that doesn't work |
| 23:07.57 | oilsworkn | you find your way to the battery backup |
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| 23:08.02 | oilsworkn | then you turn that on |
| 23:08.05 | oilsworkn | and then it all works |
| 23:08.07 | dBsooner | Now THAT's asking a lot |
| 23:08.10 | ird | My pc's power button stops working and I have to bang on it. |
| 23:08.25 | dBsooner | My PC doesn't have a power button |
| 23:08.30 | dBsooner | WOL only.. |
| 23:08.47 | oilsworkn | my pc has one, i just never touch it, because i never turn it off |
| 23:08.49 | dBsooner | BIOS is set to "Always on" |
| 23:09.03 | dBsooner | mine never turns off either.. the server at home that is |
| 23:09.19 | ird | arg |
| 23:09.20 | ird | I hate nano |
| 23:09.24 | dBsooner | and if it does lose power (after UPS dies), then I can WoL it |
| 23:09.24 | ird | why won't it save? :( |
| 23:09.34 | dBsooner | ird: read only? |
| 23:09.41 | ird | Hmm.. |
| 23:09.45 | ird | That could be the problem :p |
| 23:09.54 | dBsooner | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 23:09.57 | dBsooner | Tis your friend. |
| 23:09.59 | ird | I know that :p |
| 23:10.03 | ird | What's the other one? |
| 23:10.06 | ird | the fs_open or whatever. |
| 23:10.17 | dBsooner | Dunno.. it's longer |
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| 23:10.42 | rwhitby | rootfs_open -w |
| 23:10.49 | ird | yeah |
| 23:10.51 | ird | that's it |
| 23:10.55 | ird | What's the difference? |
| 23:11.03 | dBsooner | ok, so it's shorter.. but old habits die hard |
| 23:11.09 | dBsooner | like "shutdown -r now" |
| 23:11.16 | rwhitby | nothing. one is a shell script that calls the other |
| 23:11.20 | ird | ah |
| 23:13.21 | dBsooner | rwhitby: what's your thoughts on Jason/palm/Adora's latest tweet? |
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| 23:16.48 | oilsworkn | bets its a desktop app written in java |
| 23:18.02 | Abyssul | haha |
| 23:18.43 | ird | I hate you nano. |
| 23:18.51 | ird | <enter> != <Ctrl> + U |
| 23:19.41 | rwhitby | dBsooner: he's been planning that for a while. it should be good. |
| 23:19.42 | jettero | where is the tweet? |
| 23:19.49 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: it will be |
| 23:20.07 | Templarian | Did you guys see palm's last twitter? |
| 23:20.10 | rwhitby | dBsooner: what other thoughts should I have ;) |
| 23:20.15 | Templarian | http://twitter.com/palm/status/6444688766 |
| 23:20.44 | AnOutsider | guess they dont feel liek doing their own |
| 23:20.47 | AnOutsider | it's definitely welcome |
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| 23:21.54 | oilsworkn | Templarian: a minute or so slow |
| 23:22.11 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: have you seen egaudet and dBsooner's plans for AUPT ? Auto-Update Patch Technology - it should be useful for Themes too |
| 23:22.42 | Templarian | Dang, was eating dinner. |
| 23:23.13 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I welcome the program.. I just hate that it will overshadow our 'open-source' version.. |
| 23:23.35 | rwhitby | dBsooner: what indication do you have that it will not be open source? |
| 23:23.39 | AnOutsider | rwhitby: did see a few tweets about it, but no details |
| 23:23.52 | dBsooner | rwhitby: All of his software he has released to this point is closed? |
| 23:23.59 | dBsooner | with the exception of the stuff invovling APT |
| 23:23.59 | rwhitby | dBsooner: very much not the case |
| 23:24.07 | rwhitby | dBsooner: absolutely false |
| 23:24.08 | dBsooner | his patches are open |
| 23:24.25 | rwhitby | dBsooner: he has 1 closed source program. all the others are open source. |
| 23:24.30 | egaudet | dBsooner, actually one of the problems I think IS the patches inside themes |
| 23:24.49 | dBsooner | egaudet: where are these themes that have patches? |
| 23:24.57 | dBsooner | i didn't know there were any |
| 23:25.12 | Templarian | They did a long time ago I don't think they do anymore. |
| 23:25.41 | ird | Hmm... |
| 23:26.47 | dBsooner | rwhitby: well then I stand corrected. I apologize for stating my opinion without justification. I will refrain from the subject. Again, I welcome the app. Can't wait to see it. |
| 23:27.06 | AnOutsider | dBsooner: a large portion fo themes have patches |
| 23:27.16 | rwhitby | dBsooner: it may or may not be open source. I don't think Jason has said yet. |
| 23:27.22 | dBsooner | AnOutsider: i thought you did sed replace? |
| 23:27.48 | rwhitby | he is not anti-open source. he knows exactly when and why he released closed and open source. |
| 23:28.01 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 23:28.46 | AnOutsider | dBsooner: haven't done that for ages. Well the patches are generated using sed on my end, but themes that are installed use patches for file changes |
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| 23:29.07 | AnOutsider | and prethemer also allows the uploading of individual patch files with a theme. not sure when it was, but ti was a while ago that it changed |
| 23:29.29 | dBsooner | ah. Well ok then. |
| 23:30.05 | egaudet | AnOutsider, I was not aware you had changed that. Are you using the postinst from autopatch for patching? |
| 23:30.32 | dBsooner | But it all goes back to my original statement (which AnOutsider had suggested ages ago): There needs to be a so-called "Theme API" to which every patch creator will conform to and all Installers/Uninstalls will adbide by. |
| 23:31.01 | egaudet | It can just be incorporated into APT :P |
| 23:31.26 | dBsooner | there you go again.. wanting to mix Themes into APT |
| 23:31.46 | oilsworkn | and by themes, you mean patches with images |
| 23:32.06 | dBsooner | you mean image replacement and patches in one package |
| 23:32.06 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 23:32.29 | oilsworkn | so patches |
| 23:32.34 | AnOutsider | haha it's true, themes basically are patches with images |
| 23:32.51 | AnOutsider | egaudet: really? remember we had a loooong drawn out convo over it? |
| 23:32.57 | AnOutsider | and I was like, alright, I'll bang that out tonight |
| 23:33.22 | AnOutsider | http://www.prethemer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215 - 10/20/2009 ;) |
| 23:34.14 | egaudet | AnOutsider, yea I remember the convo just didn't know if you had done it and then I guess it just slipped my mind |
| 23:35.02 | egaudet | AnOutsider, what postinst do you use for the patch application? |
| 23:35.02 | AnOutsider | heh |
| 23:35.28 | AnOutsider | seriously? I cant remember what code I wrote this morning let along 1.5 months ago ;) |
| 23:35.40 | dBsooner | so you use your own postinst? |
| 23:35.42 | AnOutsider | I remember you giving me a link to one on github or w/e the repository was |
| 23:35.47 | AnOutsider | and I included it |
| 23:35.49 | Abyssul | Wow the preware.org site is wonderful |
| 23:36.01 | AnOutsider | of course, it's a patch... with images remember :) |
| 23:36.03 | dBsooner | agrees with Abyssul.. Go Templarian! |
| 23:36.07 | AnOutsider | and I agree, the preware site looks good |
| 23:36.43 | Abyssul | We need a more detailed orentation blocker than the current slider one. |
| 23:36.52 | Abyssul | Like a combination to keep it from switching |
| 23:36.52 | egaudet | ok so all themes SHOULD be somewhat APT compatible today. |
| 23:37.27 | Abyssul | It looks silly to have the keyboard open while reading the pre landscape |
| 23:37.30 | egaudet | of course with this new AUPT upgrade I'm not sure yet how exactly it will effect other things using older APT technology like the themes and QI drag&drop |
| 23:38.34 | dBsooner | I think it "might" create an issue with anything hard linked to /var/usr/lib/ipkg/ |
| 23:38.35 | egaudet | Abyssul, I think it could be a patch to the framework or top bar |
| 23:38.35 | egaudet | put a toggle in device or app menu to freeze that app's orientation |
| 23:38.43 | egaudet | but someone would have to want to do that |
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| 23:40.57 | Abyssul | Egaudet similar, Id prefer a key combination though, but a top bar entry is suitable |
| 23:41.35 | Templarian | thanks Abyssul (really wish I wasn't so busy with final projects or it would be better). |
| 23:41.45 | egaudet | heck maybe even a shake event or something |
| 23:41.53 | egaudet | shake the pre to lock orientation, shake to unlock :P |
| 23:42.08 | Abyssul | Na, I hate the shake feature. Even in the TFLN app |
| 23:42.13 | Abyssul | Ill read a funny app and go to show my friend |
| 23:42.18 | Abyssul | and it will load the nextone |
| 23:42.24 | Abyssul | Pisses me off |
| 23:42.26 | AnOutsider | egaudet: if they're not, then we'll get em compatible. I know firsthand what it's like effing up things with an upgrade with theme in place |
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| 23:43.58 | ird | Er.. |
| 23:44.08 | ird | Can someone help me with importing the ssh key to my pc? |
| 23:44.11 | Abyssul | Wow really...? A Swipe to Delete in Contacts patch, hmmm |
| 23:44.29 | egaudet | AnOutsider, well if you used the postinst directly, you can probably just grab the new one once it's tested |
| 23:44.49 | dBsooner | AnOutsider: The whole reason for AUPT is to allow Upgrading with patches in place. :D |
| 23:45.09 | zsoc | aupt.. |
| 23:45.36 | dBsooner | Auto-Update Patch Technology |
| 23:45.37 | dBsooner | :D |
| 23:46.18 | zsoc | silly |
| 23:46.18 | zsoc | sounds like a support protocol |
| 23:46.19 | zsoc | "Oh, it's ok, my theme supports Auto-Update Patch Technology" |
| 23:46.45 | zsoc | but hell, if it works, you can call it susan for all i care |
| 23:46.47 | zsoc | It's good stuff |
| 23:48.09 | dBsooner | Oh lord |
| 23:48.21 | dBsooner | "Palm and Sprint Sued in Backup Class Action Lawsuit" |
| 23:48.44 | dBsooner | Attorneys these days.... lawsuit happy greedy bastards. |
| 23:49.39 | oilsworkn | egaudet is going to get in on that |
| 23:49.46 | Mousey | these days? |
| 23:49.47 | Mousey | they changed? |
| 23:50.04 | oilsworkn | days? they change daily |
| 23:50.18 | zsoc | OH LAWDY |
| 23:50.21 | zsoc | IS DAT SOME LAWSUIT? |
| 23:50.24 | Abyssul | Link? |
| 23:51.06 | dBsooner | http://www.precentral.net/palm-and-sprint-sued-backup-class-action-lawsuit?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Precentralnet+%28PreCentral.net%29&utm_content=Twitter |
| 23:51.19 | dBsooner | http://www.prnewschannel.com/pdf/Palm_webOS_Complaint.pdf |
| 23:52.30 | Mousey | because CLOUD is doubleplusgoodspeak for "your data doesn't matter to us, as much as you'd like it to" |
| 23:52.57 | Mousey | at least it's not as bad as the sidekick |
| 23:53.00 | Mousey | ...i think |
| 23:53.02 | dBsooner | I really doubt any monetary compensation will be awarded. |
| 23:53.18 | oilsworkn | i think we should sue Jason Standiford for being a whiny punk |
| 23:53.27 | Mousey | i wonder. it's not like you have the -option- to save all your data locally to your own server |
| 23:53.37 | Mousey | its one of my biggest complaints |
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| 23:53.56 | Mousey | i hope we can collectively grow out of the "palm profile" madness, so i can have my phone to myself for a change |
| 23:54.13 | Mousey | $0.02++ |
| 23:55.17 | Mousey | officially it's my second biggest complaint (no syncml backup option), first being lack of jabber support. ^_^ |
| 23:55.17 | dBsooner | Mousey: I don't use Palm's profile |
| 23:55.25 | dBsooner | all my information is stored on my personal server. |
| 23:55.36 | Mousey | dBsooner: that's some kinda trick isn't it. like you're in austraila or something |
| 23:55.44 | dBsooner | Nope.. Sprint pre. |
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| 23:56.03 | dBsooner | I use EAS and set my EAS account as my primary for Contacts, Calendar, Email, etc. |
| 23:56.14 | dBsooner | and I even turn off contact/etc syncing |
| 23:56.17 | dudestatus | any way to config the palm pre to mount the fs as read-write? |
| 23:56.19 | Mousey | oh. how's that work, cuz i wanna be able to exchange contacts/calendar events/(homebrew) apps again like i could on good ol' PalmOS |
| 23:56.21 | dBsooner | s/syncing/syncing to Palm/ |
| 23:56.32 | ird | rwhitby: I followed the instructions on the wiki... And I got the key onto the machine I'm trying to connect from. But I still get the publickey error. |
| 23:56.51 | dBsooner | dudestatus: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 23:56.53 | oilsworkn | "<Mousey> dBsooner: that's some kinda trick isn't it." should be put in the channel topic |
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| 23:56.53 | Abyssul | I learned my lesson when 1.0.3 was released, and now I use Google |
| 23:57.00 | Mousey | eww google |
| 23:57.07 | Mousey | from one cloud i have no control over to another! |
| 23:57.09 | zsoc | Hey let's give google all of our information |
| 23:57.23 | Mousey | and while we're at it, lets point our DNS requests at them! |
| 23:57.24 | oilsworkn | they're motto is "don't be evil" |
| 23:57.25 | oilsworkn | i trust them |
| 23:57.26 | dBsooner | And NOW google has their own DNS service |
| 23:57.26 | zsoc | wonders why everytime you call goog-411 is saves your voice recording for all eternity |
| 23:57.33 | dBsooner | trying to beat down OpenDNS |
| 23:57.46 | Mousey | what's next? Google Cert Authority? |
| 23:57.53 | dBsooner | LOL.. proabably |
| 23:58.02 | zsoc | Mousey: it wouldn't be better than what we have now for cert verification :P |
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| 23:58.06 | zsoc | MITM's everyone |
| 23:58.07 | oilsworkn | welcomes google overlords |
| 23:58.13 | dBsooner | I love the "Facts" stated in the actual lawsuit |
| 23:58.26 | zsoc | Fact: We don't know wtf is going on |
| 23:58.29 | Mousey | zsoc: cacert.org? |
| 23:58.36 | oilsworkn | "Our client is a total douchenozzle" |
| 23:58.45 | oilsworkn | ? |
| 23:59.03 | zsoc | oilsworkn: they have nozzles? |
| 23:59.13 | Mousey | what an awesome collection of syllables |
| 23:59.16 | oilsworkn | idk, it sounded like a good name for him |
| 23:59.25 | zsoc | Well I'll be a cakeeater. |
| 23:59.26 | oilsworkn | it flows off hte tongue |
| 23:59.49 | dBsooner | No.. "Industry estimates show between 50 and 100 thousand Pre units sold in teh first week alone, with several hundreds of thousands more sold to date" |
| 23:59.49 | zsoc | invents the douchenozzle |
| 23:59.55 | dBsooner | how is that a "Fact" |
| 23:59.55 | oilsworkn | go ahead, say it out loud |
| 23:59.58 | oilsworkn | i did, and im at work |