| 00:00.11 | rwhitby | (might be netcat rather than nc) |
| 00:00.20 | oilsworkn | rea: quick install has a "send file to pre" option |
| 00:00.33 | oilsworkn | you just send the icon.png to the right spot on device |
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| 00:00.40 | oilsworkn | (the spot which i don't know off hte top of my head) |
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| 00:01.08 | rwhitby | continues to try and think of even more arcane ways to transfer the file |
| 00:01.31 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 00:01.55 | rea | +oilsworkn: that seems easy enough, just need to somehow figure out the path to the email icon then right? |
| 00:01.58 | oilsworkn | we already listed like 7 or 8 ways to get it there |
| 00:02.08 | oilsworkn | rea: yeah, its on the wiki |
| 00:02.22 | oilsworkn | its something like /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email/icon.png or something |
| 00:02.27 | oilsworkn | though thats probably wrong |
| 00:02.30 | rea | thanks, sorry for noobing it up in here. I appreciate the help. |
| 00:02.36 | oilsworkn | np |
| 00:03.26 | rwhitby | realises the netcat will require a firewall adjustment anyway, so is not viable |
| 00:03.40 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: you win |
| 00:03.52 | oilsworkn | all the internets? |
| 00:04.14 | rwhitby | all the bits and bytes you can eat |
| 00:04.16 | ajames | is away: SIGSTOP |
| 00:04.36 | kesne | is tibfib in here? |
| 00:04.42 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 00:04.50 | oilsworkn | i think you missed him |
| 00:04.54 | kesne | damn |
| 00:05.33 | kesne | He pinged me on IM and I missed it |
| 00:05.33 | rea | +oilsworkn: your guess at the icon path was spot on |
| 00:05.33 | oilsworkn | he wanted to know about precentral app |
| 00:05.33 | kesne | oilsworkn: you hear about ? |
| 00:05.33 | oilsworkn | rea: awesome |
| 00:05.33 | kesne | Oh, right |
| 00:05.33 | kesne | hehe |
| 00:05.33 | kesne | s/?/1.3.5 |
| 00:05.35 | kesne | I guess numlock helps |
| 00:05.58 | oilsworkn | kesne: i don't read rumors or speculation |
| 00:05.59 | rwhitby | kesne: nope, no-ones mentioned it, or the NDA violation on PreCentral, yet, at all. |
| 00:06.24 | kesne | orly? |
| 00:06.27 | rwhitby | kesne: especially not chuq |
| 00:06.32 | kesne | hehe |
| 00:07.10 | rwhitby | (chuq didn't say anything about PreCentral - that was me :-) |
| 00:07.19 | oilsworkn | nor any of the other palm employees lurking in the shadows of webos-internals |
| 00:07.26 | bpadalino | he mentioned earlier that he had a busy afternoon ahead of him |
| 00:07.36 | bpadalino | due to the precentral post |
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| 00:07.43 | bpadalino | and there he goes |
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| 00:09.43 | chrisa | We appear to be advertising on hulu like nuts today |
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| 00:21.11 | greg_roll | hi guys does anyone with a gsm pre have bluetooth pan show as a profile? or know if its been disabled? |
| 00:23.42 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: shown as a profile where/how |
| 00:26.18 | greg_roll | puffthemagic: when I connect my phone to my pc over bluetooth there is no pan so I can tether over bluetooth with my tether |
| 00:26.38 | greg_roll | I believe my tether should work over bluetooth |
| 00:26.41 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: what do u mean "there is no pan" |
| 00:26.49 | PuffTheMagic | where do u think "pan" should be showing up |
| 00:27.36 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: first off.... use freeTether ;) |
| 00:27.37 | PuffTheMagic | second |
| 00:27.43 | PuffTheMagic | u need to initiate the bnep connection from your computer |
| 00:27.49 | greg_roll | puffthemagic: my computer doesn't show the phone as having a pan or dial up service so I can use my phone as a modem |
| 00:27.53 | PuffTheMagic | then you will get a prompt on your pre |
| 00:28.12 | greg_roll | bnep? |
| 00:28.25 | PuffTheMagic | bnep is the protocol that a pan is established over |
| 00:28.36 | PuffTheMagic | "pan" has nothing to do with bluetooth |
| 00:28.38 | PuffTheMagic | its just a concept |
| 00:28.42 | PuffTheMagic | like wan or lan |
| 00:29.08 | PuffTheMagic | Bluetooth Network Encapsulation Protocol |
| 00:29.10 | PuffTheMagic | bnep |
| 00:29.38 | greg_roll | oh ok in windows on my old phone I'd create a dial up connexion to my phone but that isn't an option |
| 00:30.08 | PuffTheMagic | using "phone as modem" is real tethering |
| 00:30.14 | PuffTheMagic | which myTether and freeTether DONT do |
| 00:30.32 | PuffTheMagic | the term Tether is a misnomer that will never go away here |
| 00:31.08 | greg_roll | oh ok thanks, where does one find freetether? |
| 00:31.10 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: freeTether and myTether allow you to share an internet connection by turning the pre into a router |
| 00:31.38 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: is like pre-alpha though |
| 00:31.39 | greg_roll | p.s I'm loving wirc thanks you so much for it!! |
| 00:31.41 | PuffTheMagic | but usbnet and bt work |
| 00:32.07 | greg_roll | nice I'm gaim as my tether isn't working |
| 00:32.12 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 00:32.19 | PuffTheMagic | if mytether isnt working freetether prob wont |
| 00:32.31 | oilsworkn | GUH |
| 00:32.49 | oilsworkn | i thought freetether>mytether |
| 00:32.59 | rwhitby | freetether fail ;-) |
| 00:33.22 | PuffTheMagic | ummmmm |
| 00:33.25 | PuffTheMagic | no it dont fail |
| 00:33.31 | PuffTheMagic | mytether is failing |
| 00:33.37 | PuffTheMagic | he hasnt even tried freeTether |
| 00:33.57 | rwhitby | winds in the line ... |
| 00:33.58 | oilsworkn | "<+PuffTheMagic> if mytether isnt working freetether prob wont" |
| 00:34.14 | oilsworkn | thats not a good quote |
| 00:34.32 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: what ever |
| 00:34.38 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 00:34.47 | oilsworkn | im not picking a fight here |
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| 00:34.56 | oilsworkn | i just thought freetether was supposed to work where mytether didnt |
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| 00:35.15 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: can you test ipkgservice 0.9.22 in testing feed please - it has updates for 1.3.5, but I need to make sure it doesn't break 1.3.1 |
| 00:35.23 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: this has nothing to dow ith freeTether or myTether |
| 00:35.28 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: this has to do with bluetooth |
| 00:35.31 | PuffTheMagic | and window |
| 00:35.34 | PuffTheMagic | and or gsm pre |
| 00:35.35 | oilsworkn | ah |
| 00:35.36 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 00:35.46 | oilsworkn | rwhitby: when i get home, yeah |
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| 00:36.02 | oilsworkn | doesn't have testing feed on his pre |
| 00:36.19 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: when's the next wircd release? I want to update the postinst so it will work in 1.3.5 |
| 00:36.31 | greg_roll | I think bluetooth is cut down on the gsm |
| 00:36.43 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i can update the postinst dont worry about that |
| 00:36.45 | oilsworkn | rwhitby: before 135 |
| 00:37.11 | PuffTheMagic | ^^ which means the night before 1.3.5 drops |
| 00:37.16 | greg_roll | any link to freetether? I'm happy to test etc |
| 00:37.30 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: my plan is to push postinst updates for all services and plugins well before 1.3.5 drops, so that users don't have a discontinuity or flag day |
| 00:37.30 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: its in the testing feed |
| 00:37.31 | destinal | rwhitby: what happened to precentral and NDA violation? is this related to the "webos 1.3.5 fixes ... " on the front page, or something else? |
| 00:37.54 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i will have wIRCd's postinst all taken care of before then |
| 00:37.58 | rwhitby | destinal: it was tongue in cheek - someone broke their NDA to give that story to PreCentral |
| 00:38.00 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: im in the early beta program now |
| 00:38.10 | greg_roll | PuffTheMagic: : |
| 00:38.17 | oilsworkn | first rule of early beta program is don't talk about early beta program xD |
| 00:38.18 | greg_roll | damn, thank you |
| 00:38.35 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: but seriouslly though.... |
| 00:38.44 | PuffTheMagic | its probably more of a windows issue here or something |
| 00:38.53 | jauderho | breaking NDA = not cool |
| 00:39.11 | rwhitby | never actually agreed to the NDA, but upholds it anyway |
| 00:39.13 | PuffTheMagic | no one here is doing that |
| 00:39.19 | PuffTheMagic | jauderho: ^^ |
| 00:39.31 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: do u have a linux live cd handy? |
| 00:39.39 | rwhitby | yeah, the story didn't come from here |
| 00:39.41 | jauderho | not pointing to someone in particular. just saying =) |
| 00:40.19 | rwhitby | I think bpadalino's idea of stenographic screenshots is a great one ... |
| 00:40.19 | greg_roll | PuffTheMagic: I have a vm handy of ubuntu |
| 00:40.25 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: not good enough |
| 00:40.38 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: u need the bluetooth prefs scene open in order to make your pre "visible" to your computer |
| 00:41.05 | bpadalino | yeah, it would be easy to implement too i am sure |
| 00:41.47 | PuffTheMagic | geist: does bt work in your VM... doubt it |
| 00:42.09 | PuffTheMagic | geist: http://dpaste.com/128216/ |
| 00:42.20 | PuffTheMagic | ^^^ that is the supported bt profiles on my phone |
| 00:42.26 | oilsworkn | s/geist/greg_roll/? |
| 00:42.27 | PuffTheMagic | i doubt yours is different |
| 00:42.31 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 00:42.33 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: ^^ |
| 00:42.37 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 00:42.51 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: notice the NAP section "network access point" and under that it supports bnep |
| 00:42.56 | PuffTheMagic | thats what you need to make a BT pan |
| 00:43.05 | PuffTheMagic | idk how to determine that from windows |
| 00:43.14 | PuffTheMagic | but if u ran linux i could help u determine that |
| 00:43.18 | oilsworkn | puff is going to have to make tons of freaking docs about freetether |
| 00:43.23 | destinal | geist: you could get bluetooth working in a VM. I don't know if any have built in emulation but you could passthrough usb and use a usb bt dongle |
| 00:43.24 | oilsworkn | for Am |
| 00:43.33 | destinal | s/geist/greg_roll/ |
| 00:43.36 | destinal | we're all doing it now |
| 00:43.37 | destinal | ack |
| 00:43.46 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 00:44.11 | greg_roll | ill try it now and post back... |
| 00:44.55 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: i've abandoned freeTether for NetConfig |
| 00:45.36 | oilsworkn | what about ubermon? |
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| 00:46.09 | PuffTheMagic | NetConfig is gonna support all the advanced wpa_supplicant configurations that everyone has been dying for too :D |
| 00:46.20 | rwhitby | radius? |
| 00:46.49 | destinal | It's very possible to passthrough DUN from a pre as well, for real "tethering" but IMO it's usually inferior |
| 00:46.59 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: yeah why not |
| 00:47.26 | oilsworkn | thinks netconfig should support real tethering |
| 00:47.31 | rwhitby | it would be ironic for corporate support (i.e. radius) to depend on advanced homebrew ... |
| 00:47.50 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: yeah idk why anyone would want to use DUN when they can do real ICS |
| 00:48.11 | oilsworkn | why? cause "there's an app for that" |
| 00:48.24 | destinal | rwhitby: speaking of corporate support, I keep noticing vpnc in the opensource.palm.com repository but not on my device. for the corp version, possibly? |
| 00:48.33 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: maybe it will.... for all those crackpots that want sprint to charge them |
| 00:48.40 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 00:48.55 | oilsworkn | well all this is assuming they've got a tethering plan frmo sprint.... right? |
| 00:49.11 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 00:49.14 | oilsworkn | goes home |
| 00:49.31 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: did u notice the addition of screen recently too |
| 00:49.52 | PuffTheMagic | thats pretty random for a production device |
| 00:50.09 | PuffTheMagic | if only i could get them to switch from vi to vim |
| 00:50.10 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: well I noticed the screen *source* posted, but I think screen's always been there |
| 00:50.43 | destinal | the webos distro has always had a lot of surprising crunchy bits |
| 00:50.57 | destinal | over and above just standard OE |
| 00:51.18 | greg_roll | puffthemagic: yeah I have no nap section at all. everything else matches yours though |
| 00:51.39 | rwhitby | bsdiff and bspatch are more interesting additions |
| 00:51.48 | destinal | greg_roll: you really don't need a nap. drink more red bull |
| 00:52.29 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 00:52.36 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: use usb net then |
| 00:52.37 | destinal | rwhitby: oh, I didn't notice those... maybe they intend to update smaller than complete packages? |
| 00:53.01 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: could it be that your windows does not know NAP or something |
| 00:53.21 | destinal | rwhitby: err smaller even than complete binaries? I'd be surprised, but who knows |
| 00:53.51 | rwhitby | destinal: my guess is that they saw us discussing binary patches, and just wanted to give us a hand. |
| 00:54.25 | rwhitby | and I expect screen was included so you can use it when you get USB host mode working for a USB serial dongle |
| 00:54.42 | rwhitby | but maybe both of those are just wishful thinking ;-) |
| 00:54.45 | destinal | hehe |
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| 00:58.50 | greg_roll | puffthemagic: I think windows does, but the out was from linux |
| 01:06.40 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: bt worked thought your vm? |
| 01:08.07 | greg_roll | puffthemagic: yep works well |
| 01:10.15 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: cool |
| 01:10.22 | PuffTheMagic | too bad about bnep |
| 01:10.26 | PuffTheMagic | thats pretty weird |
| 01:10.34 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: i have an idea for you |
| 01:13.21 | greg_roll | PuffTheMagic: : excellent |
| 01:13.21 | dBsooner | How do I prevent the ipkgservice from changing the webos-patches version #? |
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| 01:13.43 | dBsooner | just create a second conf file that the ipkgservice won't touch? |
| 01:13.44 | rwhitby | dBsooner: comment it out of the upstart script |
| 01:13.50 | dBsooner | or do that |
| 01:15.09 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: the bluetooth support is all provided via userland apps so you could probably steal the bt binaries from a sprint webos jar and copy them to your pre |
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| 01:15.12 | rwhitby | dBsooner: yeah, previously for testing the 1.2 to 1.3 patches I just added another conf file |
| 01:16.27 | greg_roll | PuffTheMagic: awesome idea ill give it a go and post back |
| 01:16.31 | greg_roll | maybe tomoorow |
| 01:16.38 | greg_roll | thanks!! |
| 01:18.57 | PuffTheMagic | greg_roll: np |
| 01:18.59 | PuffTheMagic | good luck |
| 01:19.17 | Abyssul_wIRC | hmph, where is zsoc|away... |
| 01:20.02 | zsoc|away | Abyssul_wIRC: what? |
| 01:20.11 | zsoc|away | grins |
| 01:20.23 | Abyssul_wIRC | haha |
| 01:22.05 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: yo |
| 01:22.11 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: sup |
| 01:22.21 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: camsrc on palms site |
| 01:22.29 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: what about it? |
| 01:22.33 | PuffTheMagic | its got gst and v4l shit in int |
| 01:22.36 | PuffTheMagic | in it |
| 01:22.40 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: yes, and? |
| 01:22.40 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: are you using that? |
| 01:22.52 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: .... what do you mean are "You" using that? |
| 01:23.05 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: what is that code for? |
| 01:23.10 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: YOU'RE using that. It's the source for the camsrc element (which is palms patch/derivitive of v4l2) |
| 01:23.28 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: it's the source element that interacts with /dev/video0 |
| 01:23.37 | PuffTheMagic | nothing you havent told me yet woudl indicate that i need that pacakge |
| 01:23.44 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: you don't need it |
| 01:23.51 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: it's already on the phone |
| 01:23.55 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: it's in the spec |
| 01:24.09 | zsoc|away | you only need it if you want to rebuild it with other caps for higher res (maybe a future project) |
| 01:24.20 | zsoc|away | once gpu comes around it'll be useful |
| 01:24.53 | zsoc|away | also i have the headers necessary to compile it. rod was suppose to put them up somewhere |
| 01:24.53 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: what does that package provide on the userland side of things? |
| 01:25.33 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: Nothing. It's a regular gstreamer plugin/element like all the other ones. The only difference is it's a derivitive of video4linux2 so they HAD to release the source |
| 01:26.17 | PuffTheMagic | v4l is an api |
| 01:26.46 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: right, v4l2src tho is the gstreamer element to access the camera using v4l apis |
| 01:27.01 | PuffTheMagic | sounds like we could use the v4l code from that and not use gstreamer :D |
| 01:27.04 | zsoc|away | it's in uh.. libgstcamsrc.so i think |
| 01:27.35 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: ... you have to use gstreamer to build the pipeline.. |
| 01:27.41 | PuffTheMagic | libffmpegcamsrc.so |
| 01:27.42 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 01:27.49 | zsoc|away | ... |
| 01:27.54 | zsoc|away | wouldn't work |
| 01:28.57 | PuffTheMagic | why? |
| 01:29.14 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: we're not cool enough. palms binary gstreamer elements are necessary |
| 01:29.32 | PuffTheMagic | what do they do that in necessary here? |
| 01:29.52 | PuffTheMagic | and why is that code no open? |
| 01:29.57 | PuffTheMagic | s/no/not/ |
| 01:30.24 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: they do a lot of things. they are all similar to other opensource elements tho, but i looked into it. |
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| 01:30.31 | zsoc|away | palm doesn't have to release it |
| 01:30.57 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: "palmvideoencoder" could be replaced with x264enc |
| 01:31.24 | oil | sounds like puff is going to be sending another email |
| 01:31.24 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: if we can talk to a v4l interface then we should be able to use what ever we want |
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| 01:31.43 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: Yeah that's pretty much wrong. |
| 01:32.15 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc|away: i dont beleive that |
| 01:32.33 | oil | so when you get the viewfinder working, ill add some gui stuff to it :) |
| 01:32.44 | PuffTheMagic | if /dev/video0 is a true v4l device then anything that supports the v4l api should be able to interact with it |
| 01:32.47 | Abyssul_wIRC | eta on next precorder testing release? |
| 01:33.02 | PuffTheMagic | ^^ coming from a wIRC user |
| 01:33.03 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 01:33.33 | PuffTheMagic | oil: we shoudl make a junkPuffOS |
| 01:33.40 | Abyssul_wIRC | what's that have to do with anything? :) |
| 01:33.41 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: there are various things happening in each of those cases. Source -> Video Encoder (h.264), -> mp4 muxer |
| 01:33.42 | zsoc|away | PuffTheMagic: these are relatively complicated things |
| 01:33.55 | oil | junkpuffos? |
| 01:34.15 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: those last 2 stages are not important |
| 01:34.35 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: if i can get a mpeg stream out of the video interface that can get piped into anything |
| 01:34.37 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: except ... that's what "video recording" is about.. |
| 01:34.58 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: yes, but what we HAVE is those elements. Plus, palmaudioencoder is the only thing that can access the DSP |
| 01:35.05 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: stop with your crazy talk |
| 01:35.13 | PuffTheMagic | this isnt crazy talk |
| 01:35.29 | PuffTheMagic | this is we can output a a mpeg and then convert it into anything we want talk |
| 01:35.42 | PuffTheMagic | using what ever we want talk |
| 01:35.48 | Abyssul_wIRC | rofl |
| 01:35.51 | zsoc | Except you're pretty much wrong. |
| 01:35.58 | zsoc | gstreamer or ffmpeg are our options |
| 01:36.23 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: yeah those are the big boys in the linux world |
| 01:36.40 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: if we switch to ffmpeg we'd have to rebuild custom... everything. and distribute it |
| 01:37.09 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: just give me a chance to do my magic :D |
| 01:37.10 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: the situation we're in, is the stuff is already there for gstreamer, provided by palm mostly. it would be silly not to use it. I've tried using all the open source alternatives |
| 01:37.35 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: can't you do it my way first and then figure out that your way doesn't work after? :P |
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| 01:38.13 | oil | lol |
| 01:38.15 | rwhitby | zsoc: oh, let me get those cam headers up for you now |
| 01:38.20 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: im just trying to understand everything that is involved here |
| 01:38.49 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i have never been a fan of gstreamer |
| 01:38.57 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: media pipelines are somewhat complicated. you might be a genius but you can't understand everything in 1 second |
| 01:39.05 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: gstreamer is _very_ powerful |
| 01:39.17 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i didnt say it was weak |
| 01:39.21 | PuffTheMagic | im jut not a fan of it |
| 01:39.36 | en0x | gstreamer is crap |
| 01:39.36 | en0x | ;P |
| 01:39.40 | zsoc | it offers much lower level access and adjustments with sources and sinks than ffmpeg doing all the magic for you |
| 01:39.41 | PuffTheMagic | all the "good" shit in linux uses ffmpeg |
| 01:39.48 | zsoc | That's totally just not true |
| 01:39.53 | zsoc | especially in embedded devices |
| 01:40.12 | PuffTheMagic | goes to wine store |
| 01:40.17 | oil | lol |
| 01:40.22 | PuffTheMagic | burns CD first |
| 01:41.02 | zsoc | ugh |
| 01:41.08 | zsoc | how does everyone put up with him |
| 01:41.09 | zsoc | :> |
| 01:41.27 | rwhitby | zsoc: the correct response is "show me the code" |
| 01:42.51 | zsoc | rwhitby: actually there is a ton of code that supports that ffmpeg is just "better" than gstreamer in a lot of ways. But in this case, he's wrong ;) |
| 01:43.17 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: im still here |
| 01:43.23 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 01:43.45 | rwhitby | zsoc: I meant code that is running on a Pre |
| 01:43.47 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: i know, jerk |
| 01:44.03 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i get shit done, thats why people put up with me ;) |
| 01:44.04 | PuffTheMagic | i think |
| 01:44.05 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 01:44.26 | rwhitby | gets out the popcorn |
| 01:44.44 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: from my person experience every time i use a media player with gst as a backend shit sucks, ffmpeg backend always works like butter |
| 01:44.58 | en0x | smells popcorn |
| 01:45.11 | PuffTheMagic | i will be gone by the time its done popping |
| 01:45.28 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. IT IS DONE. AND WORKS 50 TIMES MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE STANDARD BUILD OF OTHER OPEN SOURCE COMPONENTS |
| 01:46.13 | Mousey | hops on couch next to rwhitby |
| 01:46.15 | zsoc | bah |
| 01:46.31 | jauderho | i'm taking a nap instead =) |
| 01:46.38 | rwhitby | wonders what is touching his leg .... |
| 01:46.44 | zsoc | sits on the floor cross legged, wonder why all of a sudden this channel has become a creepy throw-back to dalnet |
| 01:46.46 | Mousey | shush, more popcorn |
| 01:46.49 | Mousey | points at mouth |
| 01:46.56 | jauderho | rwhitby: on that note... |
| 01:47.14 | Mousey | zsoc! |
| 01:47.15 | zsoc | throws popcorn at Mousey |
| 01:47.17 | Mousey | precorder? |
| 01:47.22 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: if this is dalnet i rwhitby would ask you a/s/l |
| 01:47.39 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: a/s/l? |
| 01:47.40 | zsoc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.52 | zsoc | throws Precorder at Mousey |
| 01:47.54 | zsoc | here, you have it |
| 01:48.02 | PuffTheMagic | ahh an u claim to know dalnet |
| 01:48.06 | Mousey | landscape GUI? can i tell you how awkward portrait mode videos are to explain to the wife? |
| 01:48.08 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 01:48.31 | oil | s opinion is that hte whole thing should be landscape-locked |
| 01:48.33 | oil | since thats how it records |
| 01:48.46 | PuffTheMagic | oil: thats a bug |
| 01:48.49 | Mousey | video player certainly plays back like that |
| 01:48.58 | oil | bug? |
| 01:48.59 | oil | feature! |
| 01:49.13 | PuffTheMagic | it should record in the orientation of your phone |
| 01:49.27 | zsoc | Mousey: why is AM using alpha software? :P |
| 01:49.28 | oil | what if you change orientation? |
| 01:49.37 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: no, i was asking you a/s/l :D |
| 01:49.41 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 01:49.50 | PuffTheMagic | 15/f/au |
| 01:49.53 | Mousey | ...AM? |
| 01:50.06 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: OH ME TOO |
| 01:50.12 | Mousey | my wife isn't making videos. |
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| 01:50.21 | zsoc | Mousey: your wife, aunt minnie |
| 01:50.21 | Mousey | that would be a disaster |
| 01:50.49 | Mousey | lol aunt minnie. no way, she's noto allowedo |
| 01:51.22 | PuffTheMagic | Mousey: you know you are dying for a leaked AM bedroom cam |
| 01:51.38 | Mousey | PuffTheMagic: that's why god invented ssh |
| 01:51.42 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 01:51.46 | zsoc | lord knows i am |
| 01:51.54 | en0x | actually it was theo Mousey |
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| 01:52.44 | Mousey | right.. theo.. he's a God(tm) |
| 01:52.51 | JMyaDaGod | anyone available to help me out with intsallin debian? |
| 01:52.58 | rwhitby | anyone brave enough to alpha test an ipkgservice which supports 1.3.5 ? |
| 01:53.07 | rwhitby | JMyaDaGod: -> #debian |
| 01:53.09 | oil | oh yea, i was gonna install that |
| 01:53.15 | en0x | rwhitby, the terminal plugin is not working for me anymore |
| 01:53.26 | en0x | on 1.3.1 after upgrading it from testing feed |
| 01:53.27 | en0x | :( |
| 01:53.37 | rwhitby | en0x: testing or release? |
| 01:53.53 | rwhitby | en0x: 0.2.3 breaks something? |
| 01:54.43 | en0x | 0.2.3 right |
| 01:54.44 | JMyaDaGod | rwhitby im trying to get it on palm pre just have a quick question do u know anything about it? |
| 01:54.51 | en0x | term app says that its not running |
| 01:55.04 | en0x | and i'm not feeling like sshing to my pre |
| 01:55.04 | en0x | :P |
| 01:55.06 | en0x | to debug it |
| 01:55.06 | rwhitby | JMyaDaGod: oh, on a Pre. |
| 01:55.21 | rwhitby | en0x: how did you install it? |
| 01:55.31 | en0x | termplugin is not installed... this app is unusable without it |
| 01:55.31 | en0x | :D |
| 01:55.39 | en0x | rwhitby, thru preware? |
| 01:55.43 | JMyaDaGod | yea tryin to put Gnuboy on my pre |
| 01:56.11 | en0x | installed through preware |
| 01:56.16 | rwhitby | en0x: hmm - I thought I tested that |
| 01:56.21 | en0x | preware asked me to restart java |
| 01:56.25 | en0x | what i did |
| 01:56.36 | en0x | after java started no longer able to run terminal |
| 01:56.40 | Mousey | i wonder what gnuboy expects for a display |
| 01:56.42 | en0x | lemme reboot my pre |
| 01:56.51 | rwhitby | en0x: did you wait till the bars came back? |
| 01:56.52 | Mousey | not like a pre is X11 |
| 01:56.56 | JMyaDaGod | <first day on linux besides on my pre.......just got the img and loaded onto pre internal just confused about where to go neext?? |
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| 01:57.04 | en0x | rwhitby, of course |
| 01:57.23 | rwhitby | en0x: dunno then, but will be happy to help debug |
| 01:57.36 | Mousey | JMyaDaGod: i'm not familiar with anyone who's gotten debian running on a pre that wasn't in a chroot environment |
| 01:57.46 | Mousey | and even still, it's not going to have X11 |
| 01:58.05 | JMyaDaGod | sorry for being noob but chroot enviorment means? like linux? |
| 01:58.55 | rwhitby | JMyaDaGod: I'm afraid that you will need to do a bit more research on your own before you will be able to achieve your goal. |
| 01:59.03 | Abyssul_wIRC | I wanna get a webos 1.0.3 doctor to compare speed between then and now. :) |
| 01:59.22 | JMyaDaGod | lol yea i guess ....... |
| 01:59.30 | Mousey | JMyaDaGod: yah, it's kinda deep voodoo to do what you're asking. without knowing linux fairly well, you have a lot of reading to do before you get debian on your pre |
| 01:59.41 | en0x | rwhitby, reboot didnt help |
| 01:59.49 | en0x | ayway i will debug it tomorrow |
| 01:59.58 | en0x | i'm too tired today |
| 02:00.11 | rwhitby | en0x: try a remove and reinstall with Preware |
| 02:01.05 | rwhitby | en0x: oh, did you install from release feed or testing feed? |
| 02:01.13 | en0x | testing feed |
| 02:01.22 | rwhitby | en0x: try from release feed |
| 02:06.12 | oil | rwhitby: pms 0.9.22 seems to work ok on 131 |
| 02:06.29 | oil | (for me anyways) |
| 02:06.36 | rwhitby | oil: thx |
| 02:06.57 | oil | and i installed the termplugin update |
| 02:07.04 | oil | im restarting, but ill let you know if that works |
| 02:07.09 | rwhitby | thx |
| 02:08.00 | en0x | ok release feed is fine |
| 02:08.10 | oil | also, weren't we going to add an UpdateFlag to the feeds? |
| 02:08.24 | rwhitby | en0x: thx - I've removed the bad version from testing feed |
| 02:08.55 | rwhitby | oil: for which packages is it different from Install? |
| 02:09.20 | oil | right |
| 02:09.33 | rwhitby | oil: and for multi-dependency actions - does preware know for each package if it's an install or update? |
| 02:09.35 | oil | which is really just browser plugins |
| 02:09.46 | oil | idk |
| 02:09.54 | oil | ive never tested that multi-update code |
| 02:10.09 | rwhitby | oil: for browser plugins you need to restart on update, but not on initial install, right? |
| 02:10.20 | oil | or something like that |
| 02:10.29 | oil | destanial asked about it before |
| 02:10.37 | rwhitby | but if the initial install was immediately after a remove, and there was no reboot in between, then you're stuffed. |
| 02:10.50 | rwhitby | so I think the restart is required anyway |
| 02:10.52 | oil | termplugin 023 seems to work ok for me |
| 02:11.16 | rwhitby | thx - there was a bug in a version in the testing feed which I didn't clear out on release |
| 02:11.22 | oil | so make upgrade and delete lunarestart |
| 02:11.29 | oil | i mean |
| 02:11.31 | oil | "quick restart" |
| 02:11.32 | oil | x |
| 02:11.34 | oil | xD |
| 02:11.38 | rwhitby | :-) |
| 02:11.47 | rwhitby | but delete doesn't really need a restart |
| 02:12.04 | rwhitby | you either pay the cost at the front or the end |
| 02:12.30 | oil | but the problem is delete and install new version, right? |
| 02:12.43 | oil | (if we don't restart at install) |
| 02:17.33 | rwhitby | do we know for sure that install doesn't need a restart see the .so, if there was no .so there at boot? |
| 02:17.50 | rwhitby | (deleting and reinstalling without a boot in between is not a valid test) |
| 02:18.33 | oil | doesn't know |
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| 02:26.51 | PreMan | So about the virtualKeyboard in its current state.... |
| 02:27.32 | PreMan | is it still just a mod over the symbol table? or is it like its own app that is called on teh double tap? |
| 02:27.58 | oil | afaik, mode of symbol table |
| 02:27.59 | oil | mod* |
| 02:28.02 | dBsooner | In a GNU Makefile, how would I determine if the first part of a "version" was equal? |
| 02:28.19 | PreMan | is there a way to view the code for the virtualkeyboard? |
| 02:28.28 | dBsooner | like I have version 1.3.1-5.. How would I determine if VAR = 1.3.1 |
| 02:28.42 | dBsooner | s/VAR/VER/ |
| 02:29.06 | dBsooner | basically how do I chop a string in GNU Makefiles? |
| 02:30.20 | PreMan | i looked at the virtual keyboard wiki, but things seem to be different now, is there a way to find and unpack the ipk that installs virtualkeyboard? |
| 02:32.21 | oil | dBsooner: idk |
| 02:32.23 | oil | PreMan |
| 02:32.30 | oil | : you can |
| 02:32.48 | PreMan | oil, can i get a link to the repository where it is please? i keep losing the link |
| 02:32.59 | oil | preware.org |
| 02:35.04 | PreMan | hmmm.... how do i unpack ipk's? |
| 02:35.25 | gkatsev | 7zip |
| 02:36.03 | PreMan | sudo apt-get install 7zip? |
| 02:36.17 | gkatsev | um... |
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| 02:36.39 | gkatsev | ah, if you are on linux, you could probably just use the built-in unarchiver |
| 02:36.55 | PreMan | what's that? i'm not big on archiving |
| 02:37.09 | PreMan | i've done tar? |
| 02:37.32 | mobgod | sup gkatsev |
| 02:38.05 | PreMan | oil, might you know the linux command to unarchive ipk? |
| 02:38.11 | ajames | is back (gone 02:33:54) |
| 02:38.11 | gkatsev | mobgod: yo, sup? |
| 02:38.22 | mobgod | same old |
| 02:38.24 | mobgod | u? |
| 02:38.37 | gkatsev | PreMan: i think ar can do it. perhaps tar. you could also possible rename it to zip and use it that way |
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| 02:47.21 | rwhitby | oil: do we display a Source: link in Preware? |
| 02:48.36 | oil | i dont think so |
| 02:51.09 | PreMan | oil, i can only see the virtual keyboard 0.4.4 obsolete version? |
| 02:51.20 | PreMan | it is in the webos-internals part of the repo right? |
| 02:51.56 | Robi_ | where's the 'iknowwhatimdoing' option PuffTheMagic ? |
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| 02:53.05 | Robi_ | did we know 1.3.2 was coming before 1.3.5 ? |
| 02:53.14 | Robi_ | no time to prepare the repos |
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| 02:53.56 | PreMan | anyone know which repo the new version of virtual keyboard is stored in? |
| 02:54.04 | rwhitby | Robi_: what's broken? |
| 02:54.18 | Robi_ | pixi users can't install after upg |
| 02:54.29 | Robi_ | no patches match OS ver |
| 02:54.32 | rwhitby | PreMan: the ipkg control file should have a link to the source in it |
| 02:54.40 | rwhitby | Robi_: are you sure about that? |
| 02:55.07 | Robi_ | no, haven't reached the last page of the forum |
| 02:55.22 | rwhitby | oh, so you're basing that on hearsay from a forum then? |
| 02:55.46 | rwhitby | (there was a period of about half an hour over 12 hours ago when that was true) |
| 02:55.52 | Robi_ | ah there's a comment from you |
| 02:56.10 | rwhitby | yeah, we didn't know. |
| 02:56.19 | rwhitby | no early access for 1.3.2 as far as I saw |
| 02:56.27 | Robi_ | bummer, some relatinoship |
| 02:56.44 | Robi_ | so where is that option in preware rw? |
| 02:57.04 | rwhitby | which option? |
| 02:57.32 | Robi_ | to not auto do java restarts fore xample when there's 3 services to upgrade |
| 02:57.53 | Robi_ | i can do the restart later manually |
| 02:58.17 | Robi_ | i guess that'll be better when the upgrade all button works and dependencies are taken into account |
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| 02:58.47 | rwhitby | dependencies don't work? |
| 02:59.17 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 02:59.52 | Robi_ | there's unecessary redundancy atm |
| 03:00.14 | rwhitby | yep, patches welcome |
| 03:01.44 | oil | when in the prefs scene type "iknowwhatimdoing" |
| 03:02.20 | oil | though thats going to become default |
| 03:02.58 | oil | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/6 |
| 03:03.02 | Robi_ | ah |
| 03:03.13 | Robi_ | s eyes open |
| 03:03.26 | PreMan | how do i grab a file from the emulator if i'm ssh'd in? |
| 03:04.12 | Robi_ | thanks oil |
| 03:04.54 | Robi_ | so whats the recommended backup option for when 1.3.5 comes out.. since i have some apps on app partition and some moved to the data partition |
| 03:07.46 | oil | xorg is getting into the SDK beta |
| 03:07.51 | oil | im sure he'll work something out |
| 03:08.50 | Robi_ | nice |
| 03:09.34 | Robi_ | i still need to start doing some backups here since i've had the pre flake out on me in unexplainable ways |
| 03:13.36 | dBsooner | This is driving me batty.. Does anyone know about GNU Makes? |
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| 03:14.31 | rwhitby | yep |
| 03:15.46 | dBsooner | So help me.. :) |
| 03:16.19 | dBsooner | how do I test if 1.3.1-# is eq to 1.3.1 |
| 03:22.04 | zsoc | bah |
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| 03:23.50 | zsoc | habbo |
| 03:24.01 | gkatsev | why does the sdk require virtualbox 3.0.10? |
| 03:24.45 | rwhitby | it doesn't |
| 03:24.55 | rwhitby | that's just the supported version |
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| 03:28.47 | Abyssul | howdy |
| 03:31.53 | zsoc | wat |
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| 03:36.53 | rwhitby | can someone else test ipkgservice 0.9.22 in the testing feed please? |
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| 03:37.10 | Decimate | yeah, i will |
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| 03:37.48 | Robi_ | ditto |
| 03:38.02 | zsoc | rwhitby: no |
| 03:38.03 | zsoc | i refuse |
| 03:38.18 | zsoc | I'M NOT YOUR GUINEA PIG |
| 03:38.53 | rwhitby | pretty please with sugar? |
| 03:38.59 | haeffb | has a friend needing to tether. Is Puff still working on a tether app? |
| 03:39.13 | JMyaDaGod | Can anyone tell me where exaclty i place the debian.img in my pre ?? |
| 03:39.14 | rwhitby | haeffb: nope, it's a network configuration tool now |
| 03:39.16 | zsoc | haeffb: i think it's in the testing feed |
| 03:39.33 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: anywhere honestly. why do you need it? |
| 03:40.00 | JMyaDaGod | im tryin to get Game boy emulator |
| 03:40.12 | zsoc | ... |
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| 03:40.21 | zsoc | anywhere in /media/internal should do i suppose |
| 03:40.31 | zsoc | er, anywhere in /media i mean |
| 03:40.36 | Decimate | rwhitby: what am i testing for? lol |
| 03:40.45 | JMyaDaGod | ok thats my question is that just like the root of the pre? |
| 03:41.05 | Robi_ | rwhitby: preware refresh didn't find anything |
| 03:41.14 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: well the only problem with putting it somewhere else is it won't be writable my default. I believe /media is writable already |
| 03:41.50 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: but if you're just using it to chroot into, you can put it in /zsoc/is/a/fruit/lover/ for all i care |
| 03:42.20 | zsoc | although i haven't looked at the game boy instructions |
| 03:42.41 | JMyaDaGod | that the command so i would have to put in meidal/internal? |
| 03:42.47 | haeffb | what is "the testing feed?" |
| 03:43.02 | JMyaDaGod | ./media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf |
| 03:43.04 | Decimate | rwhitby, oil: when will adding a new feed via manage feeds actually work? |
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| 03:43.31 | zsoc | Decimate: it works now |
| 03:43.34 | haeffb | can't believe how far taking a week off leaves you behind the curve |
| 03:43.36 | zsoc | Decimate: there's just an AM test |
| 03:43.44 | JMyaDaGod | zsoc can i pm u? |
| 03:43.54 | Decimate | i accidentally put it in airplane mode :/ |
| 03:44.07 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: i'd honestly prefer not. There is a wiki about debian chroot on webos-internals.org |
| 03:44.27 | gkatsev | rwhitby: well, it didnt work with 3.1.0 on win7 for me |
| 03:44.38 | JMyaDaGod | ok thanks |
| 03:44.52 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: without having a basic understanding of linux and the idea of a chroot, it's probably a terrible idea to be doing this in the first place |
| 03:45.21 | JMyaDaGod | yea but fuck it gotta learn somehow .... i got insurance |
| 03:45.56 | Decimate | yeah, zsoc, not workin for me |
| 03:46.03 | JMyaDaGod | i just need to know if i do it right whats does it say in the window? |
| 03:46.20 | JMyaDaGod | like how can i tell if debian is mounted? |
| 03:46.50 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: there's no stdout of any of the commands that you would need to run to be inside of the chroot. if anything your prompt would change |
| 03:48.09 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: hey defector |
| 03:48.15 | JMyaDaGod | after i typed .mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf |
| 03:48.15 | JMyaDaGod | a whole page of stuff about mounting came up... |
| 03:48.35 | zsoc | shrugs |
| 03:48.53 | zsoc | i don't see why, but i'm no expert. that should return nothing afaik, unless there are errors |
| 03:49.07 | JMyaDaGod | ill figure it out i think i just have the img in wrong directory |
| 03:49.16 | zsoc | i don't think there should be a '.' in front of mount |
| 03:49.22 | zsoc | OH i think i understand your initial question now |
| 03:49.36 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: /media/internal/ is the 'root' of the webos device when it is in usb mode |
| 03:49.48 | JMyaDaGod | ok thanks |
| 03:49.58 | zsoc | Well that took awhile. If only i was sober... |
| 03:50.21 | JMyaDaGod | i thought i had to make a folder for media than for internal |
| 03:50.35 | rwhitby | Decimate: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/report/3 shows when things will be done |
| 03:50.53 | zsoc | usb mode is silly, just use whatever it is you're using to access terminal to move it, scp or novacom or what not |
| 03:52.05 | JMyaDaGod | ok thanks let open linux on vmware and try again |
| 03:52.33 | haeffb | rwhitby: do not understand "network configuration tool"... |
| 03:55.12 | Robi_ | wth, i install stuff from the app catalog and now in preware there's an update for it?? |
| 03:56.21 | zsoc | thus is life |
| 03:57.24 | rwhitby | Decimate: if ipkgservice works, then you've tested it |
| 03:57.50 | rwhitby | "Preware - always the latest" |
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| 04:00.26 | Decimate | workss :) |
| 04:01.06 | rwhitby | Decimate: thanks. I'll release it then. |
| 04:01.20 | Decimate | rwhitby: but why cant i add a new feed in preware :/ its all greyed out |
| 04:01.34 | rwhitby | That should start some PreCentral threads: "Oooh - Package Manager Service updated for 1.3.5!! OMG!!!" |
| 04:02.00 | rwhitby | Decimate: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/1 |
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| 04:05.54 | rwhitby | is glad to see azakus making jstop releases with no assistance needed |
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| 04:07.26 | Decimate | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.00 | gkatsev | Decimate: change it? |
| 04:09.14 | Decimate | idk how :/ |
| 04:09.49 | gkatsev | prefs? |
| 04:09.58 | gkatsev | jstop is the knees of the bee, as they say |
| 04:10.29 | gkatsev | azakus: though, atm, its only showing me one item. pid 9999 -1 nodes and 0 handles... |
| 04:16.58 | rwhitby | Decimate: I exclude all joins and parts from my IRC client anyway |
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| 04:24.22 | rasstar | why are there two webos channels |
| 04:24.27 | rasstar | should be one. |
| 04:24.51 | rasstar | mp4 playback on the pre is sometimes choppy. why is that ? |
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| 04:30.26 | gkatsev | rasstar: what channels? |
| 04:30.37 | rasstar | there is webos and webos internals |
| 04:31.03 | rasstar | both have a lot in the channel. |
| 04:31.05 | gkatsev | ah, thats because webos is about the SDK and api and stuff while webos-internals is about the inner workings and stuff that isnt in the api. |
| 04:31.32 | gkatsev | you can have a lot of talk of webos here, but stuff from this channel doesnt really belong in #webos |
| 04:33.29 | gkatsev | azakus: hm... restart luna and now it displays fine |
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| 04:39.16 | windzilla | just wondering. I is it ok to post a package install error related question here or is there a more appropriate channel. |
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| 04:40.20 | gkatsev | windzilla: preware? |
| 04:41.06 | windzilla | yea it was an install via preware of the 3000 google autoreplace words patch. |
| 04:41.30 | gkatsev | yeah, since is the place. you probably want to webos.pastebin.com the error. |
| 04:43.04 | windzilla | thanks i'll do that |
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| 04:53.36 | Decimate | hmm |
| 04:53.56 | Decimate | can anyone give me a commandline script to add the testing feed to the list of feeds preware loads. |
| 04:55.14 | MLJ | Hey all, I recently updated one of my themes on PreCentral's feed. The .zip installs w/o a problem via WOSQI however, gives an error at line 1004 via Preware. Can anyone help trouble shoot it with me (Mizzou: Black n' Gold theme)? |
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| 04:56.45 | CTLAdvance-work | Anyoneknow the path to the catalog in the fs |
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| 05:01.53 | MLJ | The exact error from the theme is: var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/net.precentral.themes.mizzou---black-n-gold.postinst: line 1004syntax error: "(" unexpected...... however I have no idea on how to fix it. |
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| 05:09.09 | JMyaDaGod | where is terminal in preware?? |
| 05:10.54 | dBsooner | search for it |
| 05:11.05 | dBsooner | go to "list of everything" and type "terminal" |
| 05:11.40 | JMyaDaGod | o its a app sorry was in other |
| 05:23.02 | MLJ | Any Preware gurus around to help trouble shoot? |
| 05:26.31 | azakus | gkatsev: hmm, odd |
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| 05:31.27 | rick_home | usually there are, but neither oil nor rwhitby seem to be monitoring |
| 05:31.35 | rick_home | but if they're on, that will bring them.. |
| 05:32.04 | MLJ | Thx rick. |
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| 05:34.11 | rwhitby | what's the problem? |
| 05:34.54 | MLJ | I updated a theme via PreCentral's feed... which installs cleanly via WOSQI... however an error occurs via preware. |
| 05:36.00 | MLJ | http://webos.pastebin.com/d2fd438c1 |
| 05:41.08 | MLJ | rwhitby: any ideas? |
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| 05:43.30 | rwhitby | MLJ: yep, they have () in the filenames for the images |
| 05:43.36 | rwhitby | not very good for a linux machine. |
| 05:44.19 | MLJ | I see... so updating my theme's with images without () will fix the issue? |
| 05:44.28 | rwhitby | MLJ: ask the author to only use valid characters for chat-balloon-right(dark1)-1.png |
| 05:44.40 | rwhitby | oh, you're the author :-) |
| 05:44.52 | rwhitby | yep, remove the ()'s and it should work. |
| 05:45.19 | MLJ | I will ask him very politely ;) Thanks for the quick feedback |
| 05:45.55 | dBsooner | rwhitby: what about my question.. in pm.. |
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| 06:27.55 | lingfish | dBsooner: ping |
| 06:28.00 | dBsooner | ? |
| 06:28.20 | lingfish | heya.. do you know if anyone's had a crack at a temp workaround for the annoying Facebook timezone issue? |
| 06:28.38 | dBsooner | I do not believe so. |
| 06:29.17 | lingfish | I reckon I might give it a go. |
| 06:29.31 | dBsooner | Get'r done |
| 06:29.40 | lingfish | heh |
| 06:29.43 | lingfish | do you have a TS? |
| 06:31.55 | lingfish | I just got one and I've discovered nightstand mode... more importantly, that it seems to bloody beep every time a new mail comes in... |
| 06:32.14 | rwhitby | there's a patch for that ... |
| 06:32.34 | lingfish | I thought I saw something, and am just loading Preware to check :) |
| 06:34.41 | lingfish | Just haven't found it thus far |
| 06:35.24 | lingfish | I think its the one by a2ny |
| 06:37.36 | rwhitby | precorder installs: http://bit.ly/info/5DaEcy |
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| 07:18.20 | sryan_wirc | is there any patch that allows you to remove contacts or music by swiping |
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| 08:08.52 | hckyplayer024 | hey im trying to use itunes remote and for some reason my router is blocking the connection. I have a dlink DIR-615 and if anyone here can help that would be great. thanks |
| 08:13.06 | dBsooner | ok.. where are my shell script/sed guru's! |
| 08:24.26 | ird | that was like 45 minutes ago... |
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| 08:29.19 | synackfin0 | anyone know if dalvik vm can run on webos? |
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| 08:38.10 | joshua | ive never heard of a dalvik vm |
| 08:39.12 | synackfin0 | it's a specialized java vm for embedded devices |
| 08:39.43 | synackfin0 | it's open source and the one shipped with the droid |
| 08:41.00 | synackfin0 | I figured since it's open source and both webos and android run on linux, someone might've made a dalvik ipkg |
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| 09:11.26 | joshua | i thought making custom rpms was easy till I had to start adding extra files and changing paths. heh |
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| 09:17.18 | Robi_ | rpms suck |
| 09:20.39 | rwhitby | dBsooner: I added an extra check to the postinst and prerm files |
| 09:20.53 | dBsooner | OK.. looking now |
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| 09:22.34 | rwhitby | dBsooner: are you going to add to the VERSIONS lines for the ported patches? |
| 09:23.40 | dBsooner | yep |
| 09:23.44 | dBsooner | already done |
| 09:23.51 | dBsooner | all 112 |
| 09:23.57 | dBsooner | I am building locally |
| 09:24.17 | dBsooner | Go Go Gadget sed and awk |
| 09:24.21 | dBsooner | made my life easy |
| 09:24.30 | dBsooner | oh and my spreadsheet of all the packages |
| 09:24.31 | rwhitby | ok, let me know when you push and I'll drop the 1.1.3 feed and build the 1.3.5 feed instead |
| 09:24.40 | dBsooner | okie dokie |
| 09:25.27 | rwhitby | I think I've got optware in preware to the point where it can replace the manual optware bootstrap script |
| 09:25.32 | hmagoo | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2075984#post2075984 |
| 09:26.42 | rwhitby | hmagoo: fully agree. get all the relevant maintainers together and get some consensus. |
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| 09:29.24 | dBsooner | rwhitby: whats the fastest way to just "make" mthe autopatch dir? |
| 09:29.49 | dBsooner | I am tired of it going through all the other packages and giving me errors.. I have to fix each one for it to finally make it to the autopatch dir |
| 09:29.52 | rwhitby | dBsooner: make SUBDIRS=autopatch ... |
| 09:30.00 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 09:31.19 | dBsooner | is curl slow, or codesourcery.com? |
| 09:31.54 | rwhitby | curl is faster than your browser |
| 09:33.15 | dBsooner | well this download from codesourcery.com is only going 117KB/s |
| 09:33.28 | dBsooner | and I have a 25Mbit dl connection |
| 09:33.38 | dBsooner | and its only going about 1Mbit |
| 09:34.55 | acydlord | hmm, does precorder not work on the pixi? |
| 09:36.57 | hmagoo | acydlord, idk but try more than one recoring |
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| 09:37.45 | rwhitby | acydlord: not sure if I've seen a success report on the pixi yet - you can help zsoc debug why probably. |
| 09:38.21 | acydlord | i tried three with no luck, rwhitby you know what flags to run it with from terminal? |
| 09:38.41 | rwhitby | flags? |
| 09:39.41 | joshua | try the american flag |
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| 10:28.02 | acydlord | i'll tackle it tomorrow if I have time, must sleep now |
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| 15:25.23 | dBsooner-work | Poll: Tweed vs Twee? |
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| 15:32.45 | ird | Twee |
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| 15:38.54 | en0x | i like tweed |
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| 15:39.56 | FreeTim3 | thumbs up Tweed here to |
| 15:40.26 | FreeTim3 | but I admit I only "post" via it, I don't read (it pushes into my facebook,) so I read it on that |
| 15:41.07 | DarkSpecter | likes tweety O.o |
| 15:41.39 | en0x | i want to test the new one |
| 15:41.42 | en0x | bad kitty |
| 15:41.42 | en0x | :D |
| 15:43.40 | DarkSpecter | "I tawt I taw a putty tat!" |
| 15:49.08 | dBsooner-work | yeah, I have heard about Bad Kitty too |
| 15:49.11 | dBsooner-work | but haven't tried it. |
| 15:50.36 | ird | I wish nanplayer would come already :( |
| 15:50.55 | en0x | i second that ird |
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| 15:53.35 | Nickz | hello i need help with my pre |
| 15:53.42 | Nickz | would anyone be able to help me |
| 15:53.54 | Nickz | in the uk |
| 15:54.14 | en0x | whats the problemo? |
| 15:54.52 | Nickz | i wanted to install preware on there but im on version 1..3.1 |
| 15:55.19 | Nickz | would i be able to install homebrew on there? instead on preware |
| 15:55.21 | en0x | preware works on 1.3.1 |
| 15:55.46 | Nickz | okay with the webdocos it says sprint and bell or emulator what one do i click on |
| 15:56.10 | en0x | why do u need webos doctor for? |
| 15:56.26 | en0x | use webos quick install to install preware |
| 15:56.34 | Nickz | it says i need it to run the webos quick install |
| 15:57.11 | Nickz | im not sure am i using a old web os quick install is there a link tu a upgraded version? |
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| 16:05.04 | dBsooner-work | Nickz: get.preware.org |
| 16:06.11 | en0x | u have to only put your phone in dev mode afaik before installing it |
| 16:07.28 | Nickz | its askin me for web doc os |
| 16:07.43 | Nickz | and to chose from sprint bell or emulator |
| 16:08.05 | Nickz | i chose emulator is that ok? |
| 16:09.26 | en0x | i never installed preware this way so I dont know |
| 16:09.31 | en0x | just wait maybe somebody elese will |
| 16:09.47 | Nickz | hw did u install it |
| 16:10.33 | en0x | i put my pre in dev mode then i used novaterm to connect to it and installed it from shell |
| 16:17.27 | Nickz | can i install |
| 16:17.31 | Nickz | homebrew on my pre? |
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| 16:45.37 | xorg_work | yeah, i'll be covering that in next version of mvapp |
| 16:46.03 | xorg_work | it will have a restore option _after_ the update as well |
| 16:51.11 | ird | Nickz: You don't need to run WebOS Doctor for WebOS quick install, just have it in the same folder. |
| 16:51.29 | Nickz | yeh i think i have sorted it out now |
| 16:51.39 | Nickz | wqhere can i download preware apps from? |
| 16:52.09 | ird | http://get.preware.org |
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| 16:55.01 | offroad99 | Any way to create a Palm Profile with only 3G access on a Pre? |
| 16:55.38 | dBsooner-work | offroad99: what do you mean? |
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| 16:55.55 | offroad99 | I have a Pre with no cellular service |
| 16:56.03 | offroad99 | but it has wifi |
| 16:56.03 | bhern | first use will only happen over the WAN, not wifi |
| 16:56.15 | ird | You can use meta doctor.. |
| 16:56.20 | offroad99 | when I try to creat a Palm Profile, I always get a "Profile Creation Failed" |
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| 16:56.49 | offroad99 | which prevents me from using the app store along with other services |
| 16:57.06 | offroad99 | I yes, meta doctor was awesome, it got me passed activation |
| 16:57.44 | offroad99 | I don't see a workaround to what happens if first use fails to create a palm profile |
| 16:58.41 | dBsooner-work | offroad99: metadocts ir only way |
| 16:58.53 | dBsooner-work | you can't run first use |
| 16:59.12 | dBsooner-work | you can only run first use after you webosdoctor with a meta-doctored webosdoctor |
| 16:59.27 | ird | say that 5 times fast. |
| 16:59.36 | dBsooner-work | that way you can skip first use on first boot and enable WiFi so you can run First use. |
| 16:59.51 | dBsooner-work | yeah.. ird.. I tried.. but it's really what it is. |
| 16:59.52 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 17:00.07 | offroad99 | right, I skipped first use |
| 17:00.08 | offroad99 | did all that |
| 17:00.16 | offroad99 | then I run first use manually |
| 17:00.19 | dBsooner-work | so what's the problem? |
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| 17:00.32 | offroad99 | the problem is I can't create a palm profile |
| 17:00.39 | offroad99 | I can use the Pre fine |
| 17:00.45 | offroad99 | except for the Palm Profile |
| 17:00.45 | dBsooner-work | first use should work just fine if you run first use with WiFi enabled |
| 17:00.57 | dBsooner-work | Just donm't use the Palm Profile. ;) |
| 17:02.05 | offroad99 | is there anyone who's done this successfully (with no data plan)? |
| 17:02.23 | offroad99 | meaning, creating a palm profile |
| 17:02.24 | destinal | offroad99: several people have including rwhitby who made metadoctor |
| 17:02.50 | offroad99 | again, I love metadoctor, it does exactly what I needed to make the device useful |
| 17:03.08 | offroad99 | but I need someone to create a palm profile for me |
| 17:03.16 | destinal | offroad99: you shouldn't need to, no |
| 17:03.22 | destinal | offroad99: you can create it yourself |
| 17:03.43 | ird | Dumb question.. |
| 17:03.49 | ird | Is your wifi turned on? |
| 17:03.54 | offroad99 | okay, I'm on o/s versions 1.3.1 using the latest metadoctor mods |
| 17:03.59 | offroad99 | I can web browse |
| 17:04.04 | offroad99 | use chat |
| 17:04.06 | offroad99 | google maps |
| 17:04.29 | destinal | offroad99: have the sdk and emulator? maybe you could run firstuse there to create your profile |
| 17:04.45 | offroad99 | oooh, does that work? |
| 17:04.57 | destinal | not sure why creating it would work any differently from logging in with it later, but yeah, firstuse works on emulator as well |
| 17:04.57 | offroad99 | I can try that |
| 17:05.00 | offroad99 | I do have it installed |
| 17:05.19 | offroad99 | I just heard Palm may be doing some checking on the back end |
| 17:05.30 | offroad99 | to ensure you have a provider account |
| 17:05.33 | dBsooner-work | I have run metadoctor and successfully activated over Wifi. |
| 17:05.36 | dBsooner-work | no cellular |
| 17:05.40 | offroad99 | I'm going to launch the mulator right now |
| 17:06.35 | dBsooner-work | btw.. if it can't "Create" one.. |
| 17:06.47 | dBsooner-work | it PROBABLY won't be able to "sign into" one either. |
| 17:07.09 | destinal | dBsooner-work: right, that's what I was thinking, but it may be worth a shot |
| 17:07.09 | dBsooner-work | because not being able to create one usually means it can't communicate with palm |
| 17:07.26 | offroad99 | does anyone have a test only one I can try to login to? |
| 17:07.34 | offroad99 | that would prove it |
| 17:07.37 | dBsooner-work | offroad99: have you tried just signing into a random email and pw? |
| 17:07.48 | dBsooner-work | to see if it says, "No palm profile exists for that email." |
| 17:07.55 | dBsooner-work | or "invalid password"? |
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| 17:07.58 | offroad99 | no, but I will |
| 17:08.20 | destinal | dBsooner-work: ah, so you can tell whether someone has a palm profile by their email address? interesting issue.. :) |
| 17:08.28 | offroad99 | "We couldn't find a profile associated with that email address." |
| 17:08.43 | jerms | is there a full list of preware apps somewhere ? |
| 17:08.56 | dBsooner-work | destinal: yep.. its a security flaw I believe. |
| 17:09.13 | dBsooner-work | jerms: http://ipkg.preware.org/ |
| 17:09.46 | jerms | thank you sir |
| 17:09.53 | Nickz | is there a msn patch |
| 17:09.56 | Nickz | for preware? |
| 17:10.00 | dBsooner-work | ? |
| 17:10.07 | dBsooner-work | to get msn chat? |
| 17:10.14 | Nickz | yh |
| 17:10.30 | dBsooner-work | i think that is a binary patch and not available via Preware... I can't recall though. |
| 17:10.37 | Nickz | owww |
| 17:10.48 | dBsooner-work | binary patches != safe IMO |
| 17:11.35 | destinal | dBsooner-work: depends on what you mean by safe |
| 17:12.22 | Nickz | wat u mean? |
| 17:12.39 | dBsooner-work | destinal: well as it stands, there is no way for me to verify a binary patch is safe/secure |
| 17:12.40 | Nickz | can i install it on my palm pre or not |
| 17:12.50 | dBsooner-work | i can't view the source code of it |
| 17:13.23 | dBsooner-work | I have to take the author's word that the chunk they are patching in is exactly what they say it is |
| 17:13.30 | dBsooner-work | and not some malacious code. |
| 17:14.20 | dBsooner-work | Until there is a way to sign the packages to qualify them, I won't install a binary patch. I don't just "trust" you. |
| 17:14.40 | dBsooner-work | Nickz: Search precentral for "MSN Messenger patch" |
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| 17:16.54 | Nickz | yeh i did im gettin this |
| 17:16.55 | Nickz | eroor |
| 17:17.00 | Nickz | error when tryin tu install it |
| 17:17.43 | Nickz | cannot find package |
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| 17:18.04 | offroad99 | destinal: okay, thank you for the suggestion |
| 17:18.14 | offroad99 | I was able to create one via the emulator |
| 17:18.22 | offroad99 | so the problem is my phone then? |
| 17:18.40 | destinal | offroad99: can you try running first use on the phone and signing into the one you created on the emulator? |
| 17:18.43 | offroad99 | how do I troubleshoot the phone not communicating with palm? |
| 17:19.00 | offroad99 | it had the same error |
| 17:19.24 | offroad99 | destinal:"We couldn't find a profile ..." |
| 17:19.39 | offroad99 | but I was able to go back and login using it in the emulator |
| 17:20.52 | offroad99 | is it possible something metadoctor did may have broken first use? |
| 17:21.27 | destinal | offroad99: rwhitby or others who have worked on bypass stuff may be able to help you troubleshoot. I don't really know where to start |
| 17:22.22 | offroad99 | is this the right channel though? or is there a different platform I should be using to find an answer? |
| 17:27.22 | dBsooner-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.44 | dBsooner-work | he is in Adelaide, AU, so it's.. umm.. 4am there? |
| 17:32.18 | offroad99 | maybe he'll show up in a few hours? |
| 17:32.39 | offroad99 | I'm excited about my pre and this forum |
| 17:33.01 | offroad99 | great resources on webos-internals |
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| 17:36.04 | Nickz | can someone help me install the msn live app |
| 17:36.12 | Nickz | or atleast give me a link to it as i cant find it |
| 17:37.34 | jvprat | can an usa palm pre be used with a foreigner sim? |
| 17:37.39 | Mousey | yawn |
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| 17:39.03 | offroad99 | US Pres don't have SIMs |
| 17:39.11 | offroad99 | they are not GSM |
| 17:39.29 | jvprat | oops |
| 17:39.31 | jvprat | ok, thanks ;) |
| 17:39.43 | offroad99 | because Sprint is a CDMA carrier |
| 17:39.53 | offroad99 | and they're the only authorized Pre carrier |
| 17:40.20 | jvprat | ok |
| 17:40.27 | Endersama | heyy internals, anyone here have google voice and is willing to give an invite? i want to try out the new app :) |
| 17:40.42 | offroad99 | that's not how google voice works |
| 17:40.45 | offroad99 | you just request an account |
| 17:40.55 | offroad99 | Wave on the other hand, requires an invite |
| 17:41.06 | Endersama | voice requires an invite too |
| 17:42.11 | Nickz | how do i sort this msn out |
| 17:44.21 | ird | Nickz: ask less vague questions and maybe you'll get an answer. |
| 17:45.35 | chrisa | Another difference between voice and wave is that voice is actually useful |
| 17:45.58 | Endersama | lol, well the first difference was incorrect. |
| 17:46.38 | Endersama | offroad fail. anyone actually have a gVoice account? |
| 17:51.48 | offroad99 | https://services.google.com/fb/forms/googlevoiceinvite/ |
| 17:52.08 | offroad99 | voice.google.com |
| 17:52.38 | offroad99 | on the bottom of that screen "Request an invite" |
| 17:52.44 | offroad99 | I got my invite in a day or 2 after my request |
| 17:53.34 | offroad99 | destinal/dbsooner-work:I got an email confirming my palm profile account |
| 17:53.58 | offroad99 | but it doesn't let me login with my uname/pword |
| 17:54.01 | dBsooner-work | so that just means you got it setup via the emulator |
| 17:54.34 | offroad99 | then I go here https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/changepassword and it says my email address doesn't work |
| 17:54.36 | offroad99 | doesn't exist |
| 17:54.49 | offroad99 | weird |
| 17:57.10 | ird | offroad99: http://yfrog.com/j3screenshotywyp |
| 18:00.55 | Endersama | now if only my phone wasn't dead :P |
| 18:02.51 | destinal | offroad99: do you have uncommon characters in your email address or something? |
| 18:03.11 | offroad99 | nope, just palm@domain.com |
| 18:03.18 | offroad99 | <domain>.com |
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| 18:03.31 | destinal | heh, maybe they have a bug when dealing with palm@ |
| 18:04.38 | offroad99 | Endersama: okay, so I have invites and didn't know it |
| 18:04.47 | offroad99 | but I did invite myself to it using the method I described |
| 18:04.55 | offroad99 | I'm happy to invite anyone who wants one |
| 18:04.57 | offroad99 | I have 3 of them |
| 18:05.10 | Endersama | offroad99, ird invited me 10 minutes ago |
| 18:05.22 | Endersama | offroad99, but thanks for the offer ^_^ |
| 18:07.58 | ird | I had to get in that way. |
| 18:08.05 | ird | When I joined nobody had invites, I believe. |
| 18:08.33 | dBsooner-work | I need to start using GV |
| 18:08.53 | dBsooner-work | i just don't like how text messages show up |
| 18:09.11 | Endersama | now i just have to find out how to get bt tethering back (not seeing it in git.webos) and ill be ecstatic |
| 18:09.20 | CTLAdvance-work | offroad is it palm@<domain>.com? |
| 18:09.54 | CTLAdvance-work | disregard |
| 18:09.56 | offroad99 | right, but you replace the stuff in the <> with my last name |
| 18:11.07 | offroad99 | is someone out there willing to create an account with the emulator |
| 18:11.23 | offroad99 | and see if it actually works? |
| 18:14.16 | offroad99 | I wonder if the developer accounts that get created through the emulator aren't "real" accounts |
| 18:25.33 | offroad99 | no takers? |
| 18:28.47 | azakus | ok, now JsTop will use a subscription to the lunavm service |
| 18:29.04 | azakus | reduce the apps' memory usage and # of open service handles |
| 18:29.09 | azakus | pushing in a few minutes |
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| 18:33.02 | destinal | offroad99: I think they're real |
| 18:34.46 | dBsooner-work | if they weren't real, I don't think you would have gotten the confirmation email. |
| 18:35.18 | azakus | done |
| 18:35.26 | azakus | jstop v0.0.4 is pushed |
| 18:37.21 | Mousey | oh! oh! |
| 18:37.24 | Mousey | i have a question! |
| 18:37.39 | Mousey | why cannot i open more cards after ~36mb memory used? |
| 18:37.45 | FreeTim3 | is it super easy to run a command-line script from inside an app? |
| 18:37.55 | Mousey | and THANK YOU for such AWESOME JS garbage collection option! |
| 18:38.13 | Mousey | huggles azakus |
| 18:39.03 | egaudet_work | FreeTim3, no |
| 18:39.13 | egaudet_work | that would be a big security hole if it were |
| 18:39.25 | Mousey | s/big/AWESOME/ |
| 18:39.41 | Mousey | s/security hole/feature/ |
| 18:39.56 | dBsooner-work | gasp! egaudet_work IS ALIVE! |
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| 18:40.31 | FreeTim3 | Well ok. I go home sad now. :( |
| 18:40.50 | egaudet_work | what did you need to do FreeTim3? |
| 18:41.10 | dBsooner-work | i think he is trying to query a row from the palm db3 and display the contents |
| 18:41.12 | FreeTim3 | wasn't any big urgency. I wanted to run a command line script without having to shell into it each time is all |
| 18:41.30 | FreeTim3 | anyways I'm not into ruining existing security, so never mind... :) |
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| 18:44.13 | offroad99 | destinal: why doesn't the password recovery site acknowledge my email address then? |
| 18:44.42 | dBsooner-work | did you ever "confirm" your profile? |
| 18:45.38 | offroad99 | dbsooner: yes, it took me to a thank you/tools an dhelp site |
| 18:46.01 | dBsooner-work | so can you login at profile.palm.com? |
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| 18:47.11 | offroad99 | dbsooner: what's the actual URL? |
| 18:47.29 | offroad99 | I can't login here: http://www.palm.com/palmprofile |
| 18:47.39 | offroad99 | but I can log in with the emulator |
| 18:48.00 | dBsooner-work | interesting |
| 18:48.23 | destinal1 | FreeTim3: it would be cool to set up a service to run defined scripts and then let you trigger them from an app. |
| 18:48.51 | FreeTim3 | don't we do something like that in PreWare? we prompt the user 1st though |
| 18:50.09 | destinal1 | yeah |
| 18:52.51 | offroad99 | so they probably have two databases - one for developers and one for real users |
| 18:55.01 | Mousey | can dbus be used to trigger running a script? |
| 18:57.55 | destinal1 | Mousey: there are no services listening on the bus out of the box that will do such a thing afaik |
| 18:58.01 | destinal1 | security and all |
| 18:58.23 | Mousey | oh |
| 18:58.35 | Mousey | termnial-dbus service! ^_^ |
| 18:58.45 | Mousey | just stfu's |
| 18:59.06 | PuffTheMagic | what did i just miss |
| 18:59.12 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 18:59.15 | destinal1 | PuffTheMagic: not much |
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| 19:02.50 | destinal1 | Mousey: some folks put together a command line service as one of the first ones out there (before we made a terminal app) -- it was a pretty obvious security hole :) |
| 19:03.05 | Mousey | i remember that |
| 19:03.18 | Mousey | man people went high and to the right |
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| 19:13.47 | Rick_work | Mousy what we did was go to the only thing we knew how to do. |
| 19:14.00 | Rick_work | We did not know how to do a terminal. THat took a lot of research by a lot of people. |
| 19:14.31 | Rick_work | We -could- do a command line interpretor, so we did. cphelps and I had it in 48 hours after we started. and it was SUPER USEFUL because it let us experiement |
| 19:14.37 | Rick_work | but it was a massive security hole. |
| 19:14.53 | Rick_work | for all that, I still have it on my phone. |
| 19:19.48 | azakus | Mousey: np :) |
| 19:20.23 | Mousey | updates feeds over and over fanaticaly, waiting for upgrade to show up |
| 19:20.43 | Mousey | hmm, maybe i should write a script that mails me |
| 19:22.04 | Robi_ | anyone know what set_robust_list(0xb7cff710, 0xc) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) means? |
| 19:22.21 | Robi_ | what is it a part of that i'm missing, that's the question |
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| 19:26.42 | Endersama | where is the option inside of pre to manually enable bluetooth tether (does this exist te same way usb tethering does) |
| 19:30.29 | Rick_work | Endersama in general,if you have usb tethering enabled, bluetooth just automatically is, simply connect to the pre as a pan. |
| 19:31.31 | Endersama | rick_work: thanks, im not seeing freetether floating around where i was told to look (in git.web), am i looking in the wrong place? |
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| 19:49.14 | PREA | How could I find the path to an app's icon? |
| 19:50.29 | PuffTheMagic | go to the apps directory |
| 19:50.33 | ird | yeah |
| 19:50.37 | ird | I was looking for it.. |
| 19:51.00 | PREA | can I do that with webos quick install? |
| 19:51.17 | ird | If you know the exact path to the icon, yes. |
| 19:51.48 | PREA | crap, that's what I need to find |
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| 20:00.12 | oil_pre | looks at preware... |
| 20:00.54 | oil_pre | looks at dBsooner-work disapprovingly |
| 20:01.23 | dBsooner-work | heh |
| 20:01.40 | egaudet_work | usually /var/usr/palm/applications/appid |
| 20:01.43 | dBsooner-work | oil_pre: as you could see by rwhitby tweet, I was a LITTLE busy yesterday/last night. |
| 20:01.49 | egaudet_work | usually /var/usr/palm/applications/<appid> |
| 20:01.53 | dBsooner-work | tonight, I PROMISE |
| 20:02.08 | oil_pre | lol |
| 20:02.18 | oil_pre | I don't look at twitter... |
| 20:02.30 | dBsooner-work | oh.. hmm |
| 20:02.59 | egaudet_work | So does anyone have a problem with a new patch category, something like "invalid" or "not available" or "not ported" |
| 20:03.25 | dBsooner-work | was busy doing "stuff" to the preware-bootstrap.sh AND APT AND the patches in general.... for an undisclosed reason. |
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| 20:06.30 | egaudet_work | what did you do to APT? |
| 20:06.30 | dBsooner-work | look at the git log |
| 20:06.31 | dBsooner-work | or git web |
| 20:06.31 | dBsooner-work | i can't talk about it :D |
| 20:06.56 | egaudet_work | ? |
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| 20:07.35 | egaudet_work | so you didn't touch APT then |
| 20:07.54 | egaudet_work | brb |
| 20:09.35 | oil_pre | ol |
| 20:09.41 | oil_pre | lol* |
| 20:09.57 | oil_pre | why can't you talk about it? |
| 20:10.04 | dBsooner-work | I did touch APT |
| 20:10.17 | PuffTheMagic | oil_pre: omg are you actually using wirc? |
| 20:10.21 | dBsooner-work | and it has to do with making it compliant with a new update that is being planned. |
| 20:10.21 | PuffTheMagic | its probably 0.0.3 though |
| 20:10.23 | oil_pre | isn't this #webos-internals? |
| 20:10.34 | oil_pre | lol, it is |
| 20:10.53 | oil_pre | I need to update it xD |
| 20:12.02 | Mousey | ok, i'm confused |
| 20:12.14 | Mousey | jstop says 22MB used, but sorry too many cards open? |
| 20:12.37 | azakus | I'm just looking at javascript heap size |
| 20:12.38 | Mousey | time to COLLECT THE GARBAGE |
| 20:12.46 | Mousey | problem solved! ^_^ |
| 20:12.48 | oil_pre | lol |
| 20:12.52 | azakus | hmm |
| 20:13.07 | azakus | maybe I should break that out as a background service |
| 20:13.16 | azakus | and have it run gc every X seconds |
| 20:13.29 | Mousey | a little jstop meter icon in the systray? |
| 20:13.30 | Mousey | epic |
| 20:13.43 | azakus | that would be useful... |
| 20:14.15 | Mousey | would still be awesome to get a /proc/meminfo graph too, for comparison |
| 20:16.20 | Mousey | yay jstop update! |
| 20:16.24 | Mousey | updates |
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| 20:16.43 | azakus | jstop no longer eats more memory and handles as it runs |
| 20:16.50 | azakus | simple fix |
| 20:17.07 | Mousey | noticed that, handles dramatically reduced on jstop process when i garbage collected before |
| 20:17.25 | Mousey | still wish i knew how to decipher nodes and handles |
| 20:18.52 | azakus | nodes = number of elements on page (DOM nodes), handles = number of service requests that the application is requesting |
| 20:28.47 | Mousey | ah |
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| 20:29.39 | Mousey | sorts by nodes |
| 20:29.53 | JMyaDaGod | Whats up mousey? |
| 20:30.06 | Mousey | watches as Launcher and Messaging duke it out |
| 20:30.23 | Mousey | JMyaDaGod: mornin.. hows the gnuboy thing going? |
| 20:31.11 | JMyaDaGod | figured most of it out figured out how to mount and un mount and pretty much there gott figure where to put rom at about to give a crack at it now just got done my last class for the day |
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| 20:34.56 | Mousey | good luck, keep it up, post results! |
| 20:34.57 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 20:47.06 | dBsooner-work | oil: I got shunned by rwhitby for talking about the "undisclosed" thing in here.. So I cannot talk. |
| 20:47.27 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
| 20:50.09 | oil | lol |
| 20:53.12 | JMyaDaGod | sh: syntax error near unexpected token ...any ides what that is? |
| 20:53.18 | azakus | ooh, I'm close to whole phone cpu usage for JsTop |
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| 21:11.51 | azakus | gerr, anyone hava good way to use a shell script for dbus? |
| 21:12.06 | azakus | have a novel way to get whole device cpu usage from top |
| 21:12.31 | egaudet_work | azakus, from a mojo app? |
| 21:12.43 | egaudet_work | you'll need a service |
| 21:12.49 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: to |
| 21:12.51 | PuffTheMagic | yo |
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| 21:13.01 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: i just make the "fake" liblunaservice.so |
| 21:13.05 | PuffTheMagic | it works so nice :D |
| 21:13.41 | egaudet_work | oh yea you got it? Nice |
| 21:13.50 | azakus | egaudet_work: no, I'm making a service |
| 21:14.02 | PreMan | okay, so say there's this patch, and I edited the .patch file, and now I want to patch my pre (testing on emulator first) with this edited .patch file, there any easy way to do this? |
| 21:14.03 | azakus | I'd rather not have to do it in java or c though |
| 21:14.20 | egaudet_work | that's the only way |
| 21:15.08 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:15.25 | azakus | egaudet_work: it can't be |
| 21:15.31 | PreMan | Preware has the .patch files so nicely packaged and whatnot and they just isntall so easily, is there an easy way to make my .patch file do that for my own pre? or is there just some way i can rig it just so i can patch my pre even if its not nice and easy? |
| 21:15.35 | azakus | as long as I can query dbus from a shell script :0 |
| 21:16.09 | egaudet_work | azakus, I'm not following |
| 21:16.31 | egaudet_work | do you want an app to access a script? |
| 21:16.36 | azakus | no |
| 21:16.45 | azakus | I want to write a system-service that IS a script |
| 21:17.14 | egaudet_work | JS and C services are all we have, either can run a script |
| 21:17.22 | egaudet_work | err Java not JS |
| 21:17.23 | egaudet_work | sorry |
| 21:17.51 | azakus | i was asking if anyone had been working on an implementation of a service using dbus-monitor |
| 21:18.08 | azakus | all the services just use dbus |
| 21:18.08 | PuffTheMagic | azakus: wtf |
| 21:18.23 | azakus | at least, as far as I can tell |
| 21:18.32 | azakus | PuffTheMagic: ? |
| 21:18.35 | PreMan | nvm whatever i said, i quilt it |
| 21:18.57 | PuffTheMagic | <azakus> I want to write a system-service that IS a script |
| 21:19.01 | PuffTheMagic | ^^^ that makes no sense |
| 21:19.05 | azakus | why not? |
| 21:19.36 | azakus | DBUS Exec=/usr/local/bin/service.sh |
| 21:19.41 | PuffTheMagic | LOL |
| 21:19.57 | azakus | then service.sh somehow watches dbus in the right way |
| 21:20.02 | PuffTheMagic | LOL |
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| 21:20.54 | PuffTheMagic | azakus: do you even know what those dbus .service files do? |
| 21:21.25 | azakus | don't they just setup dbus client to listen on the bus? |
| 21:21.30 | rwhitby | PreMan: regarding packaging your own patch - just submit it to dBsooner-work :-) |
| 21:21.39 | PuffTheMagic | azakus: nope |
| 21:21.42 | PuffTheMagic | not really |
| 21:21.49 | azakus | what do they actually do then? |
| 21:22.12 | PuffTheMagic | they start a service that is not running |
| 21:22.17 | azakus | yes |
| 21:22.37 | PuffTheMagic | but u still cant make a service out of a bash script |
| 21:22.51 | rwhitby | azakus: I suspect you could do a service as a script - you'd just need to helper binaries to connect/decode/encode the right stuff for Luna messaging. |
| 21:22.57 | azakus | yes |
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| 21:23.10 | azakus | I was wondering if anyone had done any of that |
| 21:23.14 | azakus | I guess not :( |
| 21:23.16 | PuffTheMagic | why would they |
| 21:23.19 | rwhitby | not yet |
| 21:23.30 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: because you can? |
| 21:23.36 | azakus | I mean, all I want to do is pipe stuff from top |
| 21:23.39 | azakus | once |
| 21:24.05 | PuffTheMagic | azakus: i already told you i have a C service that can do that |
| 21:24.34 | azakus | where is that? |
| 21:24.50 | azakus | had forgotten this |
| 21:25.02 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: such "help binaries" would be more complex than writing a normal C service |
| 21:25.02 | rwhitby | has a credo that if it's not in a public repo, then it doesn't exist. |
| 21:25.12 | PuffTheMagic | ok w/e, it dont exist |
| 21:25.37 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: yep, they would. |
| 21:26.06 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic: im getting this error trying to get Gnuboy emulator running any ideas?..........sh: syntax error near unexpected token |
| 21:26.36 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: huh? |
| 21:28.10 | JMyaDaGod | lol ok im at the end steps of GNuboy typing this command .sdlgnuboy --scale=2 --density=2 --bind q quit --bind u +up --bind h +left --bind k +right --bind j +down $ROM |
| 21:28.16 | JMyaDaGod | And then i am getting that error |
| 21:28.43 | PuffTheMagic | why you asking me about this, i've never used GNUboy |
| 21:29.04 | JMyaDaGod | o sorry seems like no one around here has thanks anyway |
| 21:29.24 | Rick_work | JMyaDaGod most of us aren't much in the way of gamers. |
| 21:29.41 | DarkSpecter | ./ |
| 21:29.45 | Rick_work | JMyaDaGod if you post on the talk page on the wiki for that app, or if you post on the talk page of the person who wrote it. |
| 21:29.51 | Rick_work | you might have better luck |
| 21:29.56 | JMyaDaGod | ok thanks |
| 21:30.01 | Rick_work | you can find the author of the page by loooking at the history for that page. |
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| 21:30.47 | Rick_work | but in general, those "we can't do this inside a luna window" apps, are things that for the most part the core team is not paying much attention to. |
| 21:31.36 | PuffTheMagic | atm |
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| 21:36.08 | xorg_work | is precentral forums down? |
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| 21:37.09 | PreMan | optware-bootstrap.sh is supposed to still work on the emulator correct? |
| 21:37.15 | rwhitby | PreMan: yep |
| 21:37.45 | rwhitby | PreMan: and the optware support in Preware can do the equivalent now if you're interested in testing ut |
| 21:37.46 | rwhitby | it |
| 21:38.04 | PreMan | hmmm |
| 21:38.13 | rwhitby | thinks the optware bootstrap script will be obsolete after some end-use documentation is done |
| 21:38.13 | PreMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.37 | rwhitby | PreMan: make sure you added the disk as first IDE slave |
| 21:39.01 | bpdamas | xorg: it looks back up. |
| 21:39.05 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: good morning |
| 21:39.38 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: g'day - did you get some good retweets? |
| 21:39.57 | dBsooner-work | about 4 right off the bat |
| 21:39.59 | xorg_work | bpdamas: yes, i'm in now... slow for me though |
| 21:40.07 | dBsooner-work | including a shun from Chuq. ;) |
| 21:40.40 | destinal1 | http://www.zodttd.com/wp/2009/11/wiimote-demonstration-video-with-mame4iphone/ |
| 21:45.18 | destinal1 | Rick_work: that's because we need to get it all into Luna. :) |
| 21:45.32 | destinal1 | ~seen ameng |
| 21:45.37 | infobot | ameng is currently on #webos-internals (9h 46m 58s), last said: 'rwhitby-pre_: do you know any progress on FSO Palm Pre Challenge since there is no update on http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals recently'. |
| 21:46.03 | destinal1 | ameng: good question! I'm curious about that myself :) |
| 21:48.53 | destinal1 | http://www.precentral.net/webgl-nokia-n900-makes-us-hopeful |
| 21:49.25 | destinal1 | for me not as much hopeful as depressed ;) |
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| 21:50.25 | azakus | gah, I hate shelling out in java |
| 21:50.39 | azakus | I can't use pipes like wanted to |
| 21:50.48 | azakus | but I *can* use a script that contains what I wanted |
| 21:50.54 | azakus | shivers |
| 21:51.00 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 21:53.20 | PuffTheMagic | azakus: me and oil have a app/service that basically does what you are doing and more, i wouldnt waste your time here |
| 21:55.35 | xorg_work | heading home |
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| 21:58.39 | azakus | PuffTheMagic: releasing any time soon? |
| 21:59.14 | PuffTheMagic | no its sorta low priority |
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| 22:02.24 | JMyaDaGod | whats the best way to get Palm pre back to Factory without losing ur contacts? |
| 22:02.49 | PuffTheMagic | doctor it |
| 22:03.11 | DarkSpecter | doctor it and pray that your palm profile is working |
| 22:03.15 | Rick_work | without losing your contacts, is hard. |
| 22:03.25 | Rick_work | since factory default has no contacts in it |
| 22:03.35 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 22:03.55 | JMyaDaGod | that will erase anything did while rooting too? |
| 22:03.58 | Rick_work | Jason R's webos repair utility will restore all files in the phone to factory default and remove any themes, patches, etc |
| 22:04.02 | bpdamas | JMyaDaGod: try webOSRepairUtility and see if that works. |
| 22:04.11 | Rick_work | nodnod that's the one |
| 22:04.14 | PuffTheMagic | just dr it |
| 22:04.31 | bpdamas | Yep |
| 22:04.35 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic why not provide full info? |
| 22:04.48 | JMyaDaGod | ok so doctor it and anything i did when rooting would be erased? |
| 22:04.48 | PuffTheMagic | full info? |
| 22:05.09 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: doctoring it returns it to out of the box state |
| 22:05.09 | Rick_work | here's the thing, webosRepairUtility takes a LONG time.... but it goes through and checks file-by-file against the doctor image for programs and images |
| 22:05.19 | Rick_work | but it doesn't mess with the databases. |
| 22:05.21 | PuffTheMagic | then u log into your profile and your contacts get restored |
| 22:05.32 | gkatsev | and apps |
| 22:05.37 | ird | and memos |
| 22:05.45 | gkatsev | and now bmarks |
| 22:05.51 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic true assuming that you doctor to the SAME VERSION of webOS that your last backup was in |
| 22:05.51 | DarkSpecter | keeps all his contacts in his google account |
| 22:05.52 | gkatsev | and cookies |
| 22:06.05 | ird | mmm cookies |
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| 22:06.20 | Rick_work | if you have installed 1.3.1 and doctor to 1.2, then you lose all that, due to database structure changes. |
| 22:06.21 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: if you have an issue call palm and they can fix your backup, they keep many of them |
| 22:06.41 | gkatsev | if anyone is ever in boston. go to the prudential center mall food court and get a few paradise cookies from paradise cafe. best cookies ive ever had. |
| 22:06.55 | PuffTheMagic | yeah going backwards probably isnt good |
| 22:07.03 | PuffTheMagic | forward shouldnt be a problem though |
| 22:07.36 | JMyaDaGod | ok so basiclly just make sure the doctor file i have is newest from palm right? |
| 22:07.48 | bpdamas | JMyaDaGod: it honestly depends on what you did when you rooted. |
| 22:08.54 | bpdamas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.25 | bpdamas | I would at least save your .db3 file. |
| 22:09.42 | gkatsev | if you still have your old phone with the contacts, you can just go to sprint to get them copied over to the pre again. and enter all new contacts to google contacts |
| 22:10.02 | JMyaDaGod | bpdamas: u mean if i messed something up while rooting....?everything on my phone works i am just getting errors while im trying to get this gnuboy emulator on so i want to start fresh now that i understand the guide more |
| 22:10.25 | JMyaDaGod | what is .db3 and where is it? |
| 22:10.26 | gkatsev | JMyaDaGod: which webos are you on right now? |
| 22:10.39 | JMyaDaGod | newest umm 1.3.1 i think |
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| 22:10.59 | JMyaDaGod | yea 1.3.1 |
| 22:11.05 | gkatsev | ok. then as long as you doctor it back to 1.3.1 you should have no problems |
| 22:11.29 | PreMan | egaudet, are you here? |
| 22:11.45 | gkatsev | no, he's in boston. |
| 22:11.46 | gkatsev | http://www.instantrimshot.com |
| 22:11.53 | JMyaDaGod | now that i understand a little more about chroot i think i can get this going |
| 22:12.09 | PreMan | but i saw egaudet-work here a bit ago! |
| 22:12.31 | gkatsev | PreMan: lol, yeah, seems like he isnt logged in at the moment. which is weird. |
| 22:12.56 | PreMan | would you happen to know his code in the .patch file for the onscreen-keyboard? |
| 22:13.04 | DarkSpecter | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File |
| 22:13.25 | bpdamas | What darkspecter said. |
| 22:13.52 | DarkSpecter | there is a guide zo export your contacts to csv |
| 22:14.06 | DarkSpecter | s/zo/to/ |
| 22:14.10 | JMyaDaGod | i hope i didnt fuck something up on my phone because i dont want to have to buy another 30$ screen protector |
| 22:14.43 | Tibfib | that's why you get phantomskinz |
| 22:14.46 | Tibfib | it came with two |
| 22:15.34 | bpdamas | You will not mess up your Pre enough to have to get another phone. You can always doctor it again. |
| 22:15.35 | DarkSpecter | you'd need to royaly fubar it for the doc to not be able to help you |
| 22:15.47 | JMyaDaGod | phantomskinz better than ZAGG? |
| 22:16.25 | DarkSpecter | doctor = format c: + reinstall windows |
| 22:16.29 | DarkSpecter | ;) |
| 22:16.29 | offroad99 | anybody on here yet that may be able to let me know if I can create a Palm Profile without having service on my Pre? (I have already bypassed activation by using metadoctor) |
| 22:16.50 | offroad99 | Wifi works - I can browse/use the Internet |
| 22:17.02 | offroad99 | just can't successfully create a Palm Profile |
| 22:17.19 | JMyaDaGod | can u use palm profile twice? |
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| 22:19.12 | Tibfib | JMyaDaGod: Imo...they are better |
| 22:20.44 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: fixed |
| 22:21.35 | JMyaDaGod | u try both? |
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| 22:22.43 | Puffy_wIRC | rwhitby: damn irc lag... fixed lunaservice is pushed |
| 22:25.18 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: pushed |
| 22:25.33 | JMyaDaGod | Puffy_wIRC: how long doctor take about? |
| 22:26.06 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic:^ sorry wrong name |
| 22:26.13 | PuffTheMagic | i have to start using a qussel core that is in the US |
| 22:27.06 | Puffy_wIRC | JMyaDaGod: not that long 20 min |
| 22:27.15 | Puffy_wIRC | maybe |
| 22:27.17 | Puffy_wIRC | I never timed it |
| 22:29.34 | DarkSpecter | ...i wonder if i should un-preware-bootstrap my pre |
| 22:30.14 | DarkSpecter | i mean un-optware-bootstrap O.o |
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| 22:41.29 | JMyaDaGod | anywhere to get doctor file for 1.3.1 besides palm there servers slow |
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| 22:51.35 | sslow | JMyaDaGod: this is the only link I have found...http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p131r0d11172009/sr1ntp131rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 22:52.27 | JMyaDaGod | thanks palm server picked up but thanks |
| 22:53.21 | JMyaDaGod | do i have to remove anything before doctoring ..ie theme ,specific patches? |
| 22:55.22 | Rick_work | nope |
| 22:55.28 | Rick_work | it removes everything for you |
| 22:55.56 | offroad99 | jmyadagod:how do you create multiple profiles? I can't even create one |
| 22:55.59 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: lunaservice visible |
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| 22:57.11 | JMyaDaGod | i dont know i was just suggesting maybe u could use another profile on 2 different phones |
| 22:57.42 | offroad99 | I only have one phone though |
| 22:57.47 | offroad99 | and no profiles :( |
| 22:57.54 | offroad99 | oh |
| 22:58.15 | JMyaDaGod | and what no service thru sprint i am assuming? |
| 22:58.16 | offroad99 | can someone out here create a profile for me on their phone using my info and I'll login afterward and reset my password? |
| 22:59.17 | offroad99 | right |
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| 22:59.47 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: offroad99 here has an issue with his WiFi only CDMA pre that won't communicate with palm via First Use. |
| 23:00.17 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: yep, dunno about that. |
| 23:00.21 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: he can do everything else on it via WiFi. |
| 23:00.51 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: Cool.. Just didn't know if you knew if anything done during meta-doc would have cuased it. |
| 23:01.16 | rwhitby | well, meta-doc patches first-use |
| 23:01.30 | rwhitby | probably need to un-patch it and run it. |
| 23:01.57 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: maybe we can have a Activation Un-Bypass patch in Preware. |
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| 23:02.29 | offroad99 | rwhitby:I don't have data service on the device, just wifi |
| 23:02.55 | dBsooner-work | yeah.. he has to have WiFi enabled for First Use to work |
| 23:03.21 | rwhitby | offroad99: what does dbus-util --capture, or /var/log/messages say when you try to create the profile? |
| 23:04.41 | offroad99 | rwhitby:I also haven't successfully consoled to the thing yet so I can't get to the cli |
| 23:05.01 | rwhitby | offroad99: won't be able to debug anything until you do |
| 23:05.33 | JMyaDaGod | damnit whats battery level gotta be around for doctor to work? |
| 23:07.25 | DarkSpecter | wonders what would be less work, manualy reversing optware bootstrap or doctor and reinstall/patch everything |
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| 23:15.12 | offroad99 | rwhitby:okay, I'm in |
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| 23:21.17 | offroad99 | rwhitby:LunaSysMgr...firstuse: Error:.Account Creation Error...Invalid language code |
| 23:22.13 | offroad99 | anybody know how to use putty in place of novaterm for cli access? |
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| 23:23.02 | offroad99 | rwhitby:LunaSysMgr...firstuse: Error:.Account Creation Error...Invalid language code |
| 23:23.22 | offroad99 | rwhitby:I got CLI access, and there's an excerpt of the message |
| 23:23.47 | offroad99 | I can't copy and paste from novaterm for some reason, is there an easy way to use putty? |
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| 23:25.37 | nonlocal | DarkSector, doctoring is easier. |
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| 23:27.16 | JMyaDaGod | anyone ever get the "We were unable to reset your phone." error? |
| 23:27.37 | offroad99 | rwhitby:I hate to repeat myself, but you are bouncing...did you get my response to your request? |
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| 23:35.10 | offroad99 | rwhitby:I hate to repeat myself, but you are bouncing...did you get my response to your request? |
| 23:36.58 | rwhitby | offroad99: didn't see it, sorry. network problems here. |
| 23:37.20 | offroad99 | rwhitby:LunaSysMgr...firstuse: Error:.Account Creation Error...Invalid language code |
| 23:40.34 | offroad99 | rwhitby: does that message help you, or should I retype it word for word? |
| 23:41.16 | rwhitby | offroad99: I would say you need to unpatch first-use and try running it |
| 23:41.53 | offroad99 | can I unpatch it while it's running? |
| 23:42.15 | offroad99 | rwhitby:if I go back to the factory image, then I won't have wifi access |
| 23:42.21 | offroad99 | rwhitby: chicken and egg |
| 23:42.36 | rwhitby | offroad99: yes, you can unpatch while running |
| 23:42.52 | rwhitby | offroad99: you'll need to be able to run a file editor on Linux on the Pre |
| 23:43.03 | offroad99 | okay |
| 23:43.05 | offroad99 | vi is there |
| 23:43.06 | offroad99 | I can do that |
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| 23:43.48 | rwhitby | offroad99: you need to revert this patch: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=patches/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.3.1/com.palm.app.firstuse.patch |
| 23:43.56 | rwhitby | (just the first part) |
| 23:44.05 | rwhitby | you can do that by deleting the lines that the patch added |
| 23:44.10 | WillJitsu | if you load a .patch manually through webosquickinstall, what's the proper way to remove it? |
| 23:44.36 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: webosquickinstall I guess, unless it packages it properly on the fly for Preware removal |
| 23:45.28 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: well it's not a patch available in Preware. webosqi doesn't seem to have a removal option for a manually loaded patch that I can see |
| 23:45.58 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: does it appear in Installed Packages in Preware? |
| 23:46.32 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: checking... |
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| 23:47.55 | offroad99 | rwhitby:just remove the three lines? |
| 23:48.50 | rwhitby | offroad99: yep |
| 23:49.59 | Mousey | won't somebody please do a shake-for-another-fortunes-fortune |
| 23:50.04 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: yeah I guess it is listed. didn't realize that. it's the 600 MHz smartreflex patch. I just downloaded the raw .patch and installed via webosqi. it runs great, but I'm just wondering how I should remove it when 1.3.5 comes out. epr should take care of it since Preware is seeing it, right? |
| 23:50.20 | offroad99 | rwhitby:"read-only file system" |
| 23:51.57 | JMyaDaGod | I can not get my phone to doctor....it keeps caying needs charge then it charges it then it says it lost connection with phone |
| 23:52.04 | JMyaDaGod | saying* |
| 23:53.13 | JMyaDaGod | anyone ever have this happen? |
| 23:54.14 | offroad99 | rwhitby:I found the root file system answer |
| 23:59.44 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: no idea - it's worth a test ahead of time |