| 00:00.18 | zsoc | I have a feeling that the microphone of the pre is 'always on', which seems like a huge privacy issue to me |
| 00:00.54 | droO | zsoc-have u seen any evidence of this? |
| 00:01.04 | droO | i know other phones do that |
| 00:01.31 | zsoc | droO, well the simple fact that audio works in my app :P all i'm doing is grabbing from alsa. Which technically is an audio pipeline, not directly linked to the microphone |
| 00:01.48 | Abyssul | zsoc, the only sound I hear from my music is when I unplug |
| 00:01.51 | zsoc | unless there's a hidden api in the binary element to access the microphone (via some sort of low level assembly or machine code or however they do that) |
| 00:02.06 | zsoc | Abyssul, uh, so I mean after you unplug. Turn off the music. Play back the video. what do you hear? |
| 00:02.18 | droO | if that was the case, they could atleast give us a callrec app ;[ |
| 00:02.21 | rwhitby | sampson: to add a testing feed to Preware, there is a qualification bar - you need to be able to work out how to do it by editing files. |
| 00:02.26 | Abyssul | It turns off the music when you unplug |
| 00:02.49 | rwhitby | sampson: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7159705a |
| 00:03.06 | Abyssul | There is no sound from the music player into the video record though |
| 00:03.27 | cryptk | zsoc, is there a changelog anywhere for precorder? |
| 00:03.27 | zsoc | Abyssul, that's what i was curious about |
| 00:03.32 | Abyssul | until I unplug the jack, and it gives quite a bit of static and like half a second of my song |
| 00:03.39 | rwhitby | cryptk: yep, take a look in Preware |
| 00:03.45 | zsoc | cryptk, er, so far there's only 1 version jump, it's outlined in the first post on the official thread |
| 00:04.04 | cryptk | rwhitby, I thought precorder wasn't in preware? |
| 00:04.05 | Abyssul | Anything else zsoc? |
| 00:04.11 | Abyssul | It isn't cryptk |
| 00:04.12 | rwhitby | zsoc: if people look in the Installed Packages in Preware, they should see the Changelog that I put in the package. |
| 00:04.13 | zsoc | Abyssul, no that'll be it for now |
| 00:04.18 | zsoc | rwhitby, oh, ok :) |
| 00:04.19 | sampson | O YAAAA rwhitby |
| 00:04.26 | rwhitby | cryptk: when you install it, it becomes an Installed Package in Preware |
| 00:04.33 | cryptk | ahh, gotcha |
| 00:05.58 | cryptk | so far this thing is awesome! the video is really really fluid. The audio is a little quiet, but not too bad... |
| 00:07.17 | cryptk | I do get some audio sync issues though... |
| 00:08.51 | A2NY | cryptk: changing cpufreq auto changes VDD1 voltage |
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| 00:10.11 | cryptk | does it? I haven't read the papers on this particular chip |
| 00:10.11 | A2NY | regardless if sr_vdd1_autocomp |
| 00:10.32 | sampson | so where are the feeds stored? in the cookies db? |
| 00:10.36 | sampson | i don't see it in prewares source |
| 00:10.48 | A2NY | OPP changes based on freq, 600=5, 550=4, 500=3, 250=2, 125=1 |
| 00:11.30 | cryptk | and... what are you getting at? |
| 00:11.40 | A2NY | OPP5=1.35, 4=1.27, 3=1.20, 2=1.00, 1=0.90 |
| 00:12.07 | cryptk | ok.... and... |
| 00:12.22 | A2NY | there is nothing to prove smartreflex works |
| 00:12.57 | A2NY | if OPP didn't change when freq was changed, it could be a possibility SR worked, but that's not the case |
| 00:12.59 | cryptk | any time that you check the vcore, the processor will be being used... therefore it will be running at full voltage |
| 00:13.10 | cryptk | smartreflex comes into play when the phone go's into sleep mode |
| 00:13.14 | cryptk | at least in theory |
| 00:13.20 | cryptk | I haven't look into it too much |
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| 00:14.08 | AnOutsider | http://yfrog.com/04precorderj <-- tad sexiarrr |
| 00:14.17 | Wahots | woops |
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| 00:14.58 | cryptk | a2ny, I will do some testing though to see what gains if any the smart reflex give |
| 00:14.58 | A2NY | AnOutsider: what if I wanted to do a barrel roll |
| 00:14.58 | cryptk | the main reason I am using smart reflex is because my pre would not boot with the cpu scaling patches |
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| 00:15.12 | Wahots | I'm also using smartreflex |
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| 00:15.30 | AnOutsider | A2NY: you're assed out :) |
| 00:15.32 | A2NY | what was your threshold and lowest freq set at cryptk ? |
| 00:15.35 | cryptk | AnOutsider, I agree that does look better, but when they add in the live viewfinder, where will it fit if there is a big red button in the middle of the screen |
| 00:15.44 | Wahots | I have never had good luck with changing clock rates on embedded devices |
| 00:15.55 | cryptk | all of my settings are at whatever the patch sets them to |
| 00:16.02 | cryptk | I haven't customized it any yet |
| 00:16.12 | cryptk | I do plan to play with it soem though when I get some time |
| 00:17.18 | A2NY | ok |
| 00:17.44 | A2NY | TI shows over 100mW savings with SR enabled |
| 00:17.56 | A2NY | that's incredible |
| 00:18.01 | PuffTheMagic | hmm so Palm did "a lot more" than what people were alluding to to break wifi tethering |
| 00:18.12 | Mousey | TI? |
| 00:18.29 | A2NY | s/TI/Texas Instruments/ |
| 00:18.41 | Wahots | PuffTheMagic: ? |
| 00:19.07 | A2NY | cryptk, can you get a quick usage on your device for me |
| 00:19.07 | cryptk | really now |
| 00:19.11 | cryptk | sure |
| 00:19.16 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, tell us more |
| 00:19.18 | cryptk | I have it right here, whatcha need? |
| 00:19.18 | PuffTheMagic | Wahots: they removed it from the driver |
| 00:19.28 | A2NY | cat /var/log/messages | grep BATTERY_IPC |
| 00:19.35 | AnOutsider | @cryptk: which is why I was asking what the later plans are. seems like it's up in the air so I just went with this for now |
| 00:19.38 | Wahots | wow really, that blows |
| 00:19.53 | A2NY | if you can paste in the webos.pastebin.com that would be great |
| 00:19.53 | cryptk | lemme SSh into it |
| 00:20.04 | Wahots | any chance of replacing the driver? |
| 00:20.22 | cryptk | it is quite long, lemme pastebin it |
| 00:20.33 | sampson | bah how the hell do i add a feed i looked in the source and i'm not seeing it in the source |
| 00:22.22 | A2NY | webos.pastebin.com |
| 00:22.29 | rwhitby | sampson: did you look at the pastebin URL I sent you |
| 00:23.07 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, yes yes, we knew that. ad-hoc isn't in the new one. but the old one works :P |
| 00:23.31 | sampson | oh thanks i was busy packing sorry |
| 00:23.45 | cryptk | a2ny, http://webos.pastebin.com/m1c2b085b |
| 00:24.33 | sampson | i was using the wrong string in my grep :P |
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| 00:25.27 | sampson | PuffTheMagic: missing freetetherd from testing |
| 00:25.29 | sampson | so it won't install |
| 00:25.58 | sampson | oops nevermind |
| 00:26.44 | sampson | forgot armv7 aaand go |
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| 00:27.39 | cryptk | a2ny, I am charging the phone right now, once it is fully charged I am going to see the batter drop after letting it sit for 20 minutes and not using it... then I will uninstall smartreflex, recharge and retest |
| 00:27.39 | Robi_ | rwhitby: what did @pre101 mean when you upgrade the system, which system? |
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| 00:27.45 | cryptk | I have a good feeling that smartreflex won't make any change during phone usage, but that the standby/sleep is where the real savings are at |
| 00:28.26 | cryptk | from what I have read that should eb the case at least |
| 00:28.27 | A2NY | cryptk: look at the -xxxmA usage |
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| 00:28.39 | rwhitby | Robi_: don't get the context for your question ... |
| 00:28.43 | cryptk | what about it? |
| 00:29.00 | A2NY | you were around -500mA in some cases |
| 00:29.04 | rwhitby | sampson: did the ipkgs in testing feed work for freetether? |
| 00:29.06 | cryptk | I have been using it alot |
| 00:29.15 | A2NY | I can tell :D |
| 00:29.16 | rwhitby | sampson: you're probably the first to test them ;-) |
| 00:29.19 | cryptk | playing with precorder, installing stuff with preware |
| 00:29.32 | A2NY | that's kind of high, I wanted to see usage |
| 00:29.50 | cryptk | smartreflex, from what I have read, should not make any changes during usage |
| 00:30.01 | A2NY | with a fresh doctor, I was at -800mA using evdo (dvd download), camera, gps all open |
| 00:30.24 | cryptk | my phone was just doctored yesterday |
| 00:30.31 | cryptk | but I have already installed quite a bit |
| 00:30.38 | sampson | yeah rwhitby works great |
| 00:30.55 | sampson | doesn't turn off tethering after you close the app but hey i like that... i have a feeling it might break though when the screen goes to sleep |
| 00:31.04 | A2NY | SR has "best case" and "worst case" voltages high/low depending on that usage |
| 00:31.37 | cryptk | there are times that I was down to -3ma also... |
| 00:31.44 | A2NY | yeah, idle |
| 00:31.45 | Robi_ | rwhitby: yeah i dont get the context of the twitter convo either ;] |
| 00:31.50 | cryptk | what have you seen to be a normal draw during standby |
| 00:32.09 | A2NY | -4mA back in july |
| 00:32.28 | A2NY | that's when I started testing with this stuff, and then I lost the pre until now pretty much xD |
| 00:32.32 | cryptk | how long does the phone need to be sitting to go completely idle? do you know? |
| 00:32.52 | cryptk | then i could check the logs after it go's completely idle, then remove patch, reboot and check again |
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| 00:33.26 | sampson | yep after it sleeps the forwarding breaks |
| 00:33.30 | sampson | looks like it needs a complete reboot to fix it |
| 00:34.01 | A2NY | the device sleeps when you get the powerd messages in ssh |
| 00:34.03 | cryptk | was the -4mA on an untweaked pre or had you made changes? |
| 00:34.09 | A2NY | untweaked |
| 00:34.24 | A2NY | here is my data I have collected |
| 00:34.24 | A2NY | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Show_Actual_Battery_Percentage |
| 00:34.46 | sampson | anyways thanks PuffTheMagic hopefully it will work ok in the airport tomorrow |
| 00:36.09 | cryptk | sampson, have you thought of using nodoze to prevent the phone from sleeping? |
| 00:37.08 | cryptk | a2ny, I am going to write something up to pull some data out of those messages... things like highest draw, lowest draw, average draw... that may help some |
| 00:38.49 | A2NY | that would be good |
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| 00:39.01 | A2NY | I tired to get some data earlier, but like I said it flushed the logs =\ |
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| 00:39.45 | imn6zcx | hey all |
| 00:40.29 | cryptk | does it erase the logs when it shits down, or is it on bootup? |
| 00:40.39 | zsoc | AHAHAS |
| 00:40.43 | cryptk | HAHAHA |
| 00:40.47 | cryptk | just saw that |
| 00:41.14 | cryptk | depending on what you are doing at the moment... shits down may be a better phrase... |
| 00:41.23 | A2NY | if you used flush it would have been funnier ;) |
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| 00:41.33 | cryptk | would have... |
| 00:41.39 | cryptk | I will try to typo funnier in the future |
| 00:42.04 | A2NY | lol ok |
| 00:42.13 | cryptk | so I just recently got outta the military and so I decided to grow a goatee... not quite used to it yet... |
| 00:42.43 | imn6zcx | I have a question @ preware and trying to update some packages and can't |
| 00:42.47 | A2NY | you got sick of shaving 2x a day |
| 00:43.07 | cryptk | I did get sick of shaving... |
| 00:43.42 | cryptk | imn6zcx, what error is it giving? |
| 00:44.16 | imn6zcx | thanks.. what happend, a week or so ago i accidently erased it and had my tech at sprint reinstall it |
| 00:44.27 | imn6zcx | for example |
| 00:44.46 | imn6zcx | i want to update my hidden clock |
| 00:44.51 | Wahots | hehe nice |
| 00:45.03 | imn6zcx | tells me to removoe old verson and reinstall |
| 00:45.27 | imn6zcx | try to remove and get a IPKG error |
| 00:45.36 | cryptk | have you tried running EPR yet? |
| 00:46.04 | imn6zcx | user consent requested for pre-remov script execution |
| 00:46.04 | cryptk | seems like some patches may have been installed during an OTA update |
| 00:46.05 | cryptk | I have had it happen to me before |
| 00:46.17 | imn6zcx | does epr work? |
| 00:46.24 | cryptk | err, not OTA... meant a WebOS update |
| 00:46.28 | cryptk | yes |
| 00:46.35 | cryptk | why would it be in there if it didn't? |
| 00:46.36 | imn6zcx | where do i get it? |
| 00:46.56 | cryptk | go into the preware prefrences |
| 00:47.15 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 00:47.25 | cryptk | turn Show Other Types to Yes |
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| 00:47.48 | imn6zcx | done |
| 00:48.05 | imn6zcx | and turn other types too? |
| 00:48.08 | cryptk | then go to Available Other > Linux Application > Utilities > Emergency patch recovery |
| 00:48.25 | cryptk | install it, after it is done, reboot your phone |
| 00:48.33 | cryptk | then try installing those patches again |
| 00:49.09 | imn6zcx | where is available other? |
| 00:49.21 | cryptk | back in the main preware menu |
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| 00:50.46 | imn6zcx | do i keep it installed? |
| 00:51.39 | imn6zcx | thanks installing now and i'll reboot |
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| 00:52.19 | cryptk | sweet gig man |
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| 00:54.22 | sampson | i gotta say the palm belt clip for the pre sucks balls |
| 00:55.20 | zsoc | sampson, try #webos-externals |
| 00:55.41 | sampson | haha |
| 00:55.51 | sampson | i don't think there are any hacks for that zsoc :P |
| 00:56.24 | oil | idk, puff made a battery thing |
| 00:56.36 | cryptk | so... when is the homebrew community gonna create a beltclip that is better than Palms? |
| 00:56.58 | Abyssul | Wow, I submitted a thread in hte Palm Pre forum and now it has 4 pages of comments lol |
| 00:57.04 | sampson | i just don't know why they thought the whole TUG THIS TIGHT STRING was a good idea |
| 00:57.26 | zsoc | sampson, i love the case, i use it every day |
| 00:57.28 | zsoc | sorry :> |
| 00:57.32 | imn6zcx | are you talking about the belt clip on the case? |
| 00:57.41 | imn6zcx | mine just ripped at the seam |
| 00:57.42 | sampson | no the removal thing |
| 00:57.57 | zsoc | tugging a string was the best way i've ever accessed my phone :P |
| 00:58.00 | sampson | i like just pulling it out with 1 hand whereas with this i gotta use both hands |
| 00:58.06 | zsoc | i use 1 hang |
| 00:58.09 | zsoc | s/hang/hand/ |
| 00:58.09 | sampson | i like htcs elastic thing |
| 00:58.26 | sampson | i'm a sysadmin i lack upper dexterity |
| 00:59.09 | cryptk | brb, I have been staring at vista for too long... my computer hates me... time to boot to linux.= |
| 00:59.29 | zsoc | "<sampson> i'm a sysadmin i lack upper dexterity" <-- that needs to be in the topic |
| 00:59.40 | sampson | haha |
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| 00:59.54 | imn6zcx | ok, it did fix most of them. |
| 01:00.22 | cryptk-pre | you can try the webos recovery tool also |
| 01:00.24 | imn6zcx | i still ahve the add date MM/DD/YY update that does the same thing |
| 01:01.03 | imn6zcx | okkkkkkkkk |
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| 01:01.25 | imn6zcx | should i assume it is also within preware? |
| 01:02.11 | imn6zcx | sorry for sounding like a dumb s@#$ |
| 01:02.31 | cryptk-pre | weird... my wirc is acting up... |
| 01:02.44 | cryptk-pre | nevermind, there it go's |
| 01:03.40 | cryptk-pre | no, that one is not |
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| 01:03.54 | cryptk-pre | it is on precentral |
| 01:04.01 | imn6zcx | ok |
| 01:04.21 | cryptk-pre | it was written by the same people as quick install |
| 01:04.24 | Abyssul | Im so glad to have video recording now |
| 01:04.35 | imn6zcx | Thanks for all your help! |
| 01:04.37 | Abyssul | Even though it is basic |
| 01:04.42 | cryptk-pre | s/people/person/ |
| 01:04.52 | imn6zcx | k |
| 01:04.54 | cryptk-pre | np man |
| 01:05.05 | imn6zcx | have a good one |
| 01:05.17 | imn6zcx | I appreciate all your help |
| 01:05.35 | cryptk-pre | it is nice to be able to go outside and bring webos-internals with me |
| 01:08.18 | rwhitby | listening to PalmCast, where Precorder should be the hot topic ... |
| 01:08.31 | rwhitby | (it certainly is in the chatroll) |
| 01:10.15 | cryptk-pre | oooh, I need to get in and listen to that |
| 01:10.21 | AnOutsider | alright time to actually relax |
| 01:10.30 | AnOutsider | zsoc: you need any more UI stuff, just lemme know |
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| 01:18.14 | zsoc | ok im back |
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| 01:19.39 | Abyssul | Any ETA for Backup Utility to be submitted to Preware? |
| 01:20.12 | Mousey | perks up |
| 01:20.16 | Mousey | backup utility? |
| 01:20.28 | Mousey | for backing things up locally (preferably w/ SyncML)? |
| 01:20.38 | Abyssul | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2056899#post2056899 |
| 01:20.43 | Mousey | clicks excitedly |
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| 01:22.13 | imn6zcx | ok back |
| 01:22.28 | Abyssul | rwhitby: Any idea when it will be released? |
| 01:22.31 | imn6zcx | now my pre won't restart |
| 01:22.54 | Abyssul | What did you do? |
| 01:22.54 | rwhitby | Abyssul: it's in alpha test feed right now. |
| 01:23.06 | Abyssul | Understood |
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| 01:23.24 | rwhitby | the more people that alpha test stuff, the quicker it gets to release. |
| 01:24.20 | Vince42 | does it make a difference whether i install openssh & co via command line or via the preware app? |
| 01:24.39 | imn6zcx | in prewarei changed in pref'si changed show available types |
| 01:25.24 | imn6zcx | wonder if I was in this room having that gentleman help my |
| 01:25.45 | imn6zcx | damn |
| 01:26.14 | imn6zcx | his name started with a c |
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| 01:28.47 | imn6zcx | i'm able to go to airplane mode but can't shut off or restart |
| 01:30.16 | rwhitby | Vince42: the preware app is designed for those who don't need any other apps from optware. |
| 01:31.20 | Abyssul | The Pre boots on 1:40 now |
| 01:31.39 | Vince42 | so does it make a difference whether i installed this or that way? cuz i wasn't for example able to install the optware stuff via preware when i had my setup done via the shell ... that's why i wondered which way to take now: shell or preware |
| 01:32.16 | rwhitby | Vince42: it would be good to test the interoperability. it's been designed to be interoperable, but I haven't had the time to test it well |
| 01:32.19 | Vince42 | i want to install also other stuff like apache mysql and such like i used to have it b4 my "little crash" today :) |
| 01:32.47 | Vince42 | so i will install first the things that are available via preware and then switch to shell, kk :) |
| 01:36.11 | rwhitby | Vince42: do the optware bootstrap script first, then try installing via Preware after. |
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| 01:36.32 | Vince42 | k, will do - if anything odd should happen, i'll drop a msg here |
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| 01:54.09 | prestonjames | does webos-internals.org crash anyone else's pre? it's the only site that causes my phone to crash. |
| 01:56.12 | rwhitby | prestonjames: that's the (if REMOTE_USER == prestonjames) code we put on there ;-) |
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| 01:56.31 | prestonjames | lol |
| 01:56.33 | AnOutsider | haha owned ;) |
| 01:56.34 | prestonjames | thanks |
| 01:57.06 | rwhitby | prestonjames: checking now |
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| 01:57.42 | rwhitby | prestonjames: works fine here |
| 01:58.48 | prestonjames | hmm. it's strange because it doesn't happen on other sites and it happens even when it's the only card I have open. |
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| 02:02.11 | prestonjames | rwitby, any idea? |
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| 02:13.26 | sryan_wirc | can anyone recommend a tethering app for pre |
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| 02:13.51 | sryan_wirc | and do I have to install software on the computer |
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| 02:16.21 | jmart | howdy guys, had a quick question...i have submitted some patches to preware, but am interested in learning how to write simple apps...does anyone have a good reference for how to write apps for the pre? i found the tutorial that palm publishes with the sdk to be non-informative |
| 02:16.41 | jmart | i wrote the Hello World tutorial back when I first took C++ in undergrad, and that seems to be all palm published as tutorials |
| 02:16.53 | grndslm | jmart: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1758 |
| 02:17.05 | grndslm | yea, hello world |
| 02:17.22 | grndslm | it's not bad as an example of how to package, use the emulator, etc. |
| 02:18.29 | jmart | yeah, i am seriously a noob though, i'm confused by the entire architecture of the functions since my background is in c++ and html (and only that recently) |
| 02:18.46 | jmart | i don't really understand how the this.functions work and what not |
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| 02:19.24 | sryan_wirc | ugh I hate when it says too many cards when only using the web browser |
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| 02:20.02 | hmagoo | think its the pages. too many widgets/images... |
| 02:20.11 | jmart | grndslm: all i really want to do is create an app for people where they could input a text string to replace the carrier string...i just want to make some simple apps for fun just to submit to precentral |
| 02:20.32 | jmart | sorry if i'm wasting ya'lls time |
| 02:20.41 | jmart | i just didn't know where else to ask |
| 02:20.47 | grndslm | well, i'm not a programmer... i just thought i'd link you to the hello world app |
| 02:21.04 | grndslm | jmart: learning about javascript, html, css would probly be a good use of your time |
| 02:21.14 | sryan_wirc | replace "sprint" in the top left? |
| 02:21.42 | sryan_wirc | w3c |
| 02:21.49 | grndslm | sryan_wirc: you tried the less threshold patch? |
| 02:21.58 | grndslm | "lower swap threshold" i mean |
| 02:22.17 | jmart | sryan_wirc: yeah, i have written a patch for it that also enables changing the colors of the carrier string and date/time, but that still requires people to install via quick install...i just wanted to learn some stuff and make an app |
| 02:22.39 | jmart | grndslm: thanks for the idea |
| 02:23.08 | grndslm | yea, i need to get around to picking up a javascript book soon, but i haven't had the time yet |
| 02:24.44 | jmart | any idea how to download a homebrew app that is open source to the computer so that i could look at the files? |
| 02:26.41 | jmart | for instance, the devmode launcher i think would be a good app for me to study, but i just don't know where to download the whole package onto my computer |
| 02:26.47 | grndslm | prolly download the .ipk and then extract it |
| 02:28.17 | rwhitby | jmart: look at the source code for Preware |
| 02:28.31 | rwhitby | git.webos-internals.org |
| 02:28.43 | rwhitby | All the *best* apps for webOS, and all open source. |
| 02:28.52 | zsoc | rwhitby, you're on a roll tonight |
| 02:29.40 | jmart | haha, true true rwhitby...you guys are amazing, i must say...assuming most people here are guys, may be a mistake |
| 02:30.09 | zsoc | I was a mistake. |
| 02:30.45 | jmart | i'm sorry to hear that...i'm sure your parents loved you still :D |
| 02:31.28 | jmart | rwhitby: noob statement alert...not sure how to find the source code at the page you posted |
| 02:32.25 | Abyssul | What are the limitations of sending video files via MMS? |
| 02:33.01 | jmart | i found the appinfo.json file, not seeing anything else |
| 02:34.06 | grndslm | haha, zsoc |
| 02:34.18 | grndslm | we're all mistakes |
| 02:34.19 | jmart | nevermind, i think i found it...i clicked on the tree and it seems like the files are there |
| 02:36.30 | jmart | grndslm: when i downloaded the .ipk, i right clicked on it and it did not give me the option to extract anything.......am i misunderstanding what you said? |
| 02:36.31 | grndslm | jmart: you could try opening with an extraction utility anyway |
| 02:36.35 | grndslm | i use "unp" on linux and it seems to work for most anything |
| 02:37.22 | hmagoo | does the precord alpha exhibit failed saving of recordings for you guys or does that have something to do with my setup. |
| 02:37.27 | jmart | i quit using linux when i started med school...didn't have time to learn how to work it anymore... |
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| 02:40.57 | Abyssul | Wow, Verizon is getting cocky... |
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| 02:41.29 | AnOutsider | hmagoo: first recording one ach launch usually doesnt save |
| 02:41.58 | AnOutsider | Abussyl: yes, yes they are. You'd think after winning against ATT they would take the stance that is more ad friendly |
| 02:42.11 | AnOutsider | though, I'm very happy teir handing Apple and ATT their arses |
| 02:42.18 | Abyssul | You reading about how they are challenging Sprint now? |
| 02:43.02 | rwhitby | hmagoo: did you read the wiki page? |
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| 02:43.54 | zsoc | Hey my pre thinks it's charging. |
| 02:43.55 | zsoc | How cute. |
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| 02:44.05 | zsoc | (it's not plugged in) |
| 02:44.12 | Abyssul | zsoc: must think it's pregnant |
| 02:44.44 | jmart | rwhitby: btw, the 0.9.12 version of Preware that had the fix for the recurring splash screen actually caused me to have a recurring splash screen...thought i would let you know |
| 02:45.00 | rwhitby | jmart: yeah, there's another fix to come. |
| 02:45.18 | rwhitby | it only happens to some people, and randomly as far as we can tell. |
| 02:45.31 | AnOutsider | yeah happened to me only once |
| 02:45.35 | AnOutsider | but used to ALWAYS happen with the previous version |
| 02:45.41 | AnOutsider | and yes Abyssul, that's what I was reading |
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| 03:01.24 | grndslm | anybody running the scaling 600 MHz patch without troubles? |
| 03:01.35 | grndslm | don't think it could get much better than the SR 600 MHz patch |
| 03:01.59 | sryan | is there any tethering application that works with 1.3.1? |
| 03:02.37 | grndslm | ionno... i'd like to know |
| 03:03.37 | sryan | going to my mom's house with no internet :( for thanksgiving and I need to do work from my laptop |
| 03:05.25 | oil_pre | I love people are always in a rush for tethering |
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| 03:08.03 | preston | speaking of tethering, what is this very vague page over at webos-internals.org all about? |
| 03:08.44 | sryan | I guess I could download PDFs/Docs to my phone and then transfer them over to my laptop via usb |
| 03:08.55 | en0x | there is alpha freetether |
| 03:08.58 | Jack87 | sampson, do you need help with usbnet on windows? |
| 03:09.01 | en0x | usb tethering is working |
| 03:09.01 | en0x | :D |
| 03:09.53 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, good luck working with that guy for testing lol.. if you can get him to tether then you can get anyone to tether |
| 03:10.06 | en0x | me? |
| 03:10.32 | Jack87 | no |
| 03:10.43 | Jack87 | sorry en0x i was reffering to sampson reading some backlogs |
| 03:10.54 | en0x | oh ok |
| 03:11.13 | sryan | en0x, using My Tether? |
| 03:11.21 | en0x | i deleted it |
| 03:11.29 | en0x | even though i paid for it |
| 03:12.04 | sryan | Usb tethering working with windows 7 x64 + webos 1.3.1? |
| 03:12.18 | en0x | idk |
| 03:12.56 | Jack87 | usb tethering works like a charm on win7 and vista.. driver already on the computer |
| 03:13.02 | Jack87 | and yes on 1.3.1 |
| 03:13.09 | Jack87 | this goes for bluetooth to |
| 03:13.29 | sryan | I get recurring splash screen after the preware release that fixes* the recurring splash screen :) |
| 03:13.31 | Jack87 | and no you dont need an app to tether.. just makes it little quicker |
| 03:13.46 | Jack87 | sryan, me to |
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| 03:20.06 | flare576 | hello all :) I poked around the forums a bit and saw other people asking this, but I didn't see a response: is there an issue with installing Virtual Keyboard? It never seems to actually install on my 1.3.1 pre |
| 03:20.45 | flare576 | that... was a lot of disconnects... |
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| 03:21.24 | Abyssul | We're going down! |
| 03:21.24 | Abyssul | AHH |
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| 03:21.35 | flare576 | in case someone just came back and isn't working on something related to the initial departure: I can't install Virtual Keyboard on my 1.3.1 Pre, just keeps offering the install button |
| 03:22.13 | cryptk-pre | have they put up the show notes for the palmcast? |
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| 03:24.20 | sslow | anybody know if the patch submission page is down |
| 03:24.35 | Jack87 | thanks zsoc so what happened to us |
| 03:24.46 | sslow | says page unavaiable |
| 03:24.51 | zsoc | Hey I need someone who ran Precorder but had not previously or afterwords messed with other various things to check and see if they have a /media/internal/video folder |
| 03:24.54 | flare576 | you all left :( |
| 03:25.25 | flare576 | zsoc, pretty sure that folder is not default |
| 03:25.40 | zsoc | flare576, it's not, but my service is supposed to create it |
| 03:25.47 | zsoc | i'm trying to narrow down the problem with file renaming / moving |
| 03:25.49 | flare576 | ah |
| 03:25.54 | sslow | zsoc: I have one now |
| 03:25.59 | zsoc | and i need to start by figuring out if the folder even gets _made_ |
| 03:26.05 | zsoc | sslow, ok, that's one. |
| 03:26.07 | zsoc | anyone else? |
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| 03:27.40 | cryptk-pre | I will check |
| 03:27.42 | Jack87 | can someone check the log i dont think it is working now |
| 03:28.28 | Jack87 | the live log stopped it seems like? maybe i just dunno what i am talking about |
| 03:28.53 | cryptk-pre | I have the video folder |
| 03:29.15 | Jack87 | am i still away |
| 03:29.56 | cryptk-pre | s/I/zsoc, I/ |
| 03:30.04 | zsoc | cryptk-pre, interesting |
| 03:30.35 | zsoc | Jack87, have you ran precorder? can you confirm that you have or do not have a /media/internal/video folder that you did not create yourself? |
| 03:30.48 | cryptk-pre | my videos are not being placed in it though... just in /media/internal |
| 03:30.59 | zsoc | cryptk-pre, yes that much i realize :) |
| 03:31.09 | Jack87 | zsoc, not since like day one of the gui.. if you like i can do it now |
| 03:31.40 | zsoc | Jack87, if you ran it ever, that's good enough |
| 03:32.22 | Jack87 | hum.. that was on my old pre and i remember it not being in a folder just on the mdeia driver itself when videos were created |
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| 03:33.11 | zsoc | Right... but |
| 03:33.12 | zsoc | sighs |
| 03:33.32 | zsoc | When you run the app (the service actually) but when you run the app and take a video, the service _should_ test to see if there is a /media/internal/video folder |
| 03:33.36 | zsoc | and if there isn't, it should make one |
| 03:33.45 | zsoc | I know the files aren't being moved there, that's a different issue |
| 03:33.50 | zsoc | i need to know if the folder gets created |
| 03:34.59 | Jack87 | i wil tell you what.. i will check my dir now to see if video folder exists.. if not then i will install your alpha and try again |
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| 03:35.42 | sslow | zsoc i can if necessary do the same |
| 03:35.58 | Jack87 | zsoc, confirmed no video folder... going to install app now |
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| 03:36.03 | zsoc | k ty |
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| 03:36.51 | en0x-wIRC | is in "god mode" = ircing from crapper :) |
| 03:38.03 | sslow | dbsooner: ping |
| 03:38.35 | en0x-wIRC | anyone else bought feeds? |
| 03:38.49 | Jack87 | zsoc, still no video folder |
| 03:38.54 | Jack87 | should i try to record something |
| 03:38.59 | zsoc | Jack87, yes, that would be what triggers it |
| 03:39.10 | en0x-wIRC | hmm |
| 03:39.16 | Jack87 | zsoc, copy that |
| 03:39.17 | Abyssul | zsoc, what kind of problems did you run into trying to create a preview field in the precorder app? |
| 03:39.35 | en0x-wIRC | something got memory leak... second time today I got too many cards |
| 03:39.38 | zsoc | Abyssul, with what knowledge are you asking me that question? I'm just curious what answer you want. |
| 03:40.22 | Abyssul | I just remember early that you were mentioning a problem with creating it |
| 03:40.33 | Jack87 | zsoc, precorder needs a light on options.. try using the info from pregames flashlight app to do it |
| 03:40.47 | zsoc | Jack87, check preferences? |
| 03:40.56 | Jack87 | oh haha i havent |
| 03:40.59 | zsoc | ... |
| 03:41.01 | Jack87 | :) |
| 03:41.04 | zsoc | facepalms |
| 03:41.25 | rwhitby | zsoc: we need that main screen that AnOutsider created |
| 03:41.25 | Jack87 | i confirm the video folder now :) |
| 03:42.14 | Jack87 | zsoc, but video is not in it.. just sitting in media... is that the info you were looking for |
| 03:42.27 | zsoc | Jack87, excellent :) this is good news |
| 03:43.00 | zsoc | rwhitby, on it, i'm waiting for roy to push his update to the launch button and the implimentation of my new led control api and then i'll pull that and implement anoutsider's theme |
| 03:43.05 | Jack87 | hum.. my video wont play... no in smplayer either |
| 03:43.13 | zsoc | Jack87, play it on your phone? |
| 03:43.15 | zsoc | :P |
| 03:43.29 | Jack87 | oo phone eh |
| 03:43.49 | Jack87 | exciting stuff |
| 03:43.58 | zsoc | ha, thanks :P |
| 03:44.09 | rwhitby | zsoc: working with Roy on git access now |
| 03:44.17 | zsoc | rwhitby, ok thanks |
| 03:44.54 | Jack87 | video library is empty |
| 03:45.22 | zsoc | Jack87, then stop doing it wrong ;) |
| 03:45.39 | Jack87 | flash not working either |
| 03:45.45 | zsoc | Jack87, there is a known issue (listed in the wiki) where the first recording sometimes doesn't work. you can try again (with the video light on) |
| 03:45.57 | Jack87 | lol maybe i am doing it wrong zsoc but i dont think i am |
| 03:46.18 | Jack87 | ther we go for flash |
| 03:46.37 | sslow | zsoc: I concur with jack87. I did the same uninstall and delete video folder reinstall, shoot video, video folder appears |
| 03:46.38 | Abyssul | AnOutsider's theme? |
| 03:47.00 | Jack87 | second video worked |
| 03:47.03 | zsoc | like it said, give it a second. there's a lot going on in the background that isn't represented in the app (hence the alpha) and if you hit too many buttons you can foul up the pipeline |
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| 03:47.09 | zsoc | Jack87, good :) |
| 03:47.30 | Jack87 | hehe i am gentel with my buttons luckily |
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| 03:47.58 | Jack87 | well zsoc sorry i spoke too soon video shows in the list but will not play |
| 03:48.19 | en0x | looks like luna has memory leak |
| 03:48.19 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.23 | en0x | hmm |
| 03:48.26 | *** part/#webos-internals en0x-wIRC (n=en0x@70-4-250-10.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:48.30 | Jack87 | sslow, any luck for you on play back |
| 03:49.04 | en0x | http://wklej.org/id/215232/ |
| 03:49.05 | en0x | :( |
| 03:49.42 | sslow | jack87:Plays fine for me |
| 03:49.43 | Abyssul | zsoc, any ETA on a cam preview? JW Im a curious guy :) |
| 03:50.22 | Jack87 | zsoc, sslow, i am going to do a reset incase my pre is acting funny.. being a bit laggy |
| 03:51.01 | zsoc | Abyssul, lets pretend like it's impossible and will never happen until palm makes it happen |
| 03:51.25 | sslow | seems to work great for me, audio is a little too low but otherwise its great. |
| 03:51.43 | sslow | And my Pre is highly modified |
| 03:52.13 | Jack87 | my pre is pretty close to stock at the momment |
| 03:52.22 | freakout-work | zsoc: Impossible is a word I never thought I'd hear you use |
| 03:52.29 | freakout-work | zsoc: you're my hero |
| 03:52.36 | Jack87 | zsoc, how about a keyboard key for light? |
| 03:52.38 | zsoc | freakout-work, then come here and show me big boy |
| 03:53.02 | zsoc | freakout-work, seriously i've watched your video over again like 50 times. for some reason it's the single funniest thing i've ever seen |
| 03:53.12 | freakout-work | zsoc: lol |
| 03:53.13 | freakout-work | which one? |
| 03:53.19 | freakout-work | I have two now :p |
| 03:53.24 | zsoc | freakout-work, YOU HAVE A SECOND ONE?!?!?! |
| 03:53.31 | freakout-work | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10002/precorder-brings-easy-video-recording-to-pre/ |
| 03:53.36 | zsoc | drops his development work and rushes to youtube |
| 03:53.45 | freakout-work | Features another female abusing me, albeit an older one this time |
| 03:53.52 | freakout-work | First embed :p |
| 03:53.56 | Jack87 | we need to learn to keep phone horizontal while shooting |
| 03:54.02 | freakout-work | And the audio is out of sync |
| 03:54.40 | Jack87 | my audio is in sync. to test it i counted to 10 in my video |
| 03:54.45 | zsoc | freakout-work, your friends are odd |
| 03:55.10 | zsoc | i posted about that, audio sync is directly related to what else the processor is doing |
| 03:55.24 | zsoc | i have a trick up my sleeve to see if i can load balance buffered frames better |
| 03:56.45 | Jack87 | lol poor freakout trying to explain hack |
| 03:56.58 | *** join/#webos-internals puffypre (n=wirc@72-61-179-6.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:57.05 | sslow | zsoc: you must have some looong sleeves |
| 03:57.13 | Abyssul | Need a way to record for more than a minute |
| 03:57.23 | zsoc | Abyssul, plug in your pre ;) |
| 03:57.31 | Abyssul | So it has to do with the dimming? |
| 03:57.43 | zsoc | Abyssul, no, it's sleep not screen status |
| 03:57.48 | Jack87 | zsoc, it doesnt record over one min? |
| 03:57.51 | Abyssul | Will nodoze work? |
| 03:57.55 | zsoc | Abyssul, it should |
| 03:58.00 | rwhitby | freakout-work is so leet - "it's not even public yet" ;-) |
| 03:58.00 | Abyssul | ill test it |
| 03:58.02 | puffypre | sampson: you get it working? |
| 03:58.07 | Jack87 | zsoc, i would recomand talking to aonic about it |
| 03:58.15 | zsoc | Abyssul, just try tapping the blank part of the screen every few seconds? |
| 03:58.24 | Abyssul | I wanted to record myself playing drums |
| 03:58.27 | zsoc | heh, if I can avoid it, I'd like to never talk to aonic |
| 03:58.29 | Abyssul | I cant tap the screen... |
| 03:58.38 | zsoc | Abyssul, plug it in, seriously, for now. |
| 03:58.45 | Abyssul | Alright |
| 03:58.49 | Eguy | freakout |
| 03:58.57 | Jack87 | zsoc, haha he is a nice guy i promise and i bet he would help disabling of sleep timer |
| 03:58.58 | Abyssul | it's alpha and nice for it too :) |
| 03:59.10 | Abyssul | There are other apps that disable the sleep timer I think? |
| 03:59.13 | zsoc | Jack87, the problem is time, it's not a lack of ability to do it, i'm working on 3843 things |
| 03:59.21 | zsoc | yeah, and nodoze should work for now |
| 03:59.28 | rwhitby | Preware disables the sleep timer - just look in the source. |
| 03:59.54 | zsoc | thinks apps should just prod around /sys to keep the phone outta sleep mode ;) |
| 04:00.00 | Jack87 | rwhitby, is that to avoid wifi users from dropping in middle of update? |
| 04:00.05 | Abyssul | Let the man code his app :p |
| 04:00.21 | zsoc | rwhitby, thanks for helping roy git |
| 04:00.34 | zsoc | git is a verb now btw, if it wasn't before |
| 04:00.37 | rwhitby | zsoc: that's the job of a packaging monkey ;-) |
| 04:00.52 | zsoc | i have a few service updates ready |
| 04:01.01 | zsoc | just waiting for the gui to test it with... |
| 04:01.06 | rwhitby | enjoys not having any resposibility for the functionality of Precorder at all ;-) |
| 04:01.09 | puffypre | rwhitby: I should add something ro disable sleep timer ti freeTether |
| 04:01.12 | *** join/#webos-internals oc80z (n=oc80z@88.198.2.173) |
| 04:01.20 | cryptk-pre | I need a nap... |
| 04:01.48 | freakout-work | rwhitby: of course i'm l33t, i hang out here :p |
| 04:01.51 | freakout-work | Eguy |
| 04:01.52 | cryptk-pre | weird... my wirc is doing that weird thing again... |
| 04:01.56 | Jack87 | keeping finger on gesture area while recording also disables sleep timer |
| 04:01.57 | Jack87 | :) |
| 04:01.58 | freakout-work | zsoc: yes they are weird |
| 04:02.05 | freakout-work | zsoc: It's why we get on so well |
| 04:02.10 | zsoc | freakout-work, i prefer your dogs |
| 04:02.16 | zsoc | i mean that in the nicest way possible :> |
| 04:02.17 | Jack87 | or changing sleep timer to 3min gives you 3 min of recording haha |
| 04:02.18 | Eguy | wassup buddy |
| 04:02.27 | freakout-work | zsoc: I like the Jack Russell better than the fluffball |
| 04:02.35 | rwhitby | I just like hearing a proper accent on youtube for once ... |
| 04:02.42 | freakout-work | zsoc: the fluffball is a little shit. craps in the house and always bites |
| 04:02.47 | zsoc | PROPER. AHAHAHAHA |
| 04:02.59 | freakout-work | zsoc: yes, "proper". Real. Genuine. |
| 04:03.00 | *** join/#webos-internals PREA (n=reaustin@71.8.196.18) |
| 04:03.06 | freakout-work | The way English should be spoken. |
| 04:03.09 | rwhitby | true blue even |
| 04:03.12 | zsoc | Yes, "stupid brother" |
| 04:03.15 | freakout-work | lol |
| 04:03.17 | Jack87 | puffypre, for wifi tethering you want the timer to be disabled |
| 04:03.19 | freakout-work | hahaah |
| 04:03.36 | zsoc | it's like a bad japanese anime |
| 04:03.47 | freakout-work | puffypre: Am i allowed to blog about pretether? :) |
| 04:03.48 | puffypre | Jack87: |
| 04:04.11 | puffypre | freakout-work: not yet please |
| 04:04.21 | *** join/#webos-internals Rick_work (n=rboatrig@198.212.147.50) |
| 04:04.26 | Jack87 | puffypre, i got nothing |
| 04:04.40 | Jack87 | zsoc, second attempt for video was a no go |
| 04:06.34 | Jack87 | 3rd and 4th worked fine |
| 04:06.44 | zsoc | Jack87, thank you, keep a log somewhere. |
| 04:06.56 | Jack87 | copy that |
| 04:07.01 | zsoc | I'm sorry, that was actually a joke. Not trying to be mean. It's crazy alpha software, I'm aware of most of the limitations. I appreciate your feed back |
| 04:07.12 | Jack87 | ill make a memo sticky on my memo app hehe |
| 04:07.34 | cryptk-pre | zsoc, has there been any work done with the audio/video sync issue? |
| 04:07.34 | Jack87 | haha |
| 04:07.36 | zsoc | ha, nice |
| 04:08.03 | zsoc | cryptk-pre, no. because no one is working on the gstreamer pipeline but me and right now i'm working on the service :P |
| 04:08.41 | Jack87 | freakout-work, sounds a bit british sometimes |
| 04:08.45 | cryptk-pre | ahh, cool beans man |
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| 04:10.19 | *** join/#webos-internals rea (n=reaustin@71.8.196.18) |
| 04:10.41 | rea | hmmm...precorder has been more reliable than my IRC connection today |
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| 04:11.39 | freakout-work | puffypre: When when when? |
| 04:11.42 | freakout-work | has tantrum |
| 04:12.00 | freakout-work | puffypre: And when do I get my test copy? |
| 04:12.04 | freakout-work | has second tantrum |
| 04:13.18 | Eguy | lol |
| 04:13.22 | slowpoke | HEY GUISE. DID YOU KNOW 'MV OLDFILE NEWFOLDER/OLDFILE' IS NOT THE CORRECT SYNTAX TO MOVE A FILE?D?! |
| 04:13.33 | TheMightyServer | ZSOC |
| 04:13.49 | cryptk-pre | lol |
| 04:13.50 | zsoc | TheMightyServer, yes? |
| 04:13.57 | Eguy | not TheMightyServer |
| 04:13.58 | Eguy | again |
| 04:14.08 | TheMightyServer | ONLY THEMIGHTYSERVER MAY BROADCAST IN CAPS |
| 04:14.16 | Eguy | NO |
| 04:14.18 | TheMightyServer | YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, ZSOC |
| 04:14.26 | TheMightyServer | EGUY, YOUR IMPUDENCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED |
| 04:14.37 | cryptk-pre | Rofl |
| 04:14.39 | zsoc | Yeah I'm tired of this guy already. |
| 04:14.43 | zsoc | Eguy, troll him please. |
| 04:14.45 | THE | BOO |
| 04:14.51 | freakout-work | geez |
| 04:14.55 | zsoc | hehe |
| 04:15.12 | Eguy | someone registered The almighty god |
| 04:15.13 | Eguy | lol |
| 04:15.23 | zsoc | i bet i can guess the password |
| 04:15.36 | Eguy | jesus? |
| 04:15.56 | Jack87 | its hesus |
| 04:15.56 | cryptk-pre | jack daniels |
| 04:16.23 | TheMightyServer | freakout-work, you disappoint me |
| 04:16.25 | *** join/#webos-internals sryan (i=48bde2e5@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 04:16.38 | cryptk-pre | not again... |
| 04:16.41 | cryptk-pre | lol |
| 04:16.43 | sryan | wow tethering was riduclously easy :) |
| 04:16.45 | freakout-work | TheMightyServer: I know you are an impostor |
| 04:16.52 | freakout-work | you are not speaking in caps! |
| 04:17.03 | TheMightyServer | my caps button is broken |
| 04:17.19 | TheMightyServer | ergo, i can't type in caps |
| 04:17.32 | TheMightyServer | you on the other hand, are a fool |
| 04:17.49 | cryptk-pre | who needs cap lock when you have regex |
| 04:17.56 | zsoc | What the hell is going on in here. |
| 04:18.23 | TheMightyServer | freakout-work thinks he can be me |
| 04:18.45 | rwhitby | sryan: worth $14.93 ? |
| 04:19.10 | sryan | Well no, I just used the My tether version that you root |
| 04:19.40 | TheMightyServer | I belive it is $174.34 |
| 04:19.50 | Jack87 | i do not understand why derek leaves his gmail website open on the browser |
| 04:19.51 | *** join/#webos-internals kesne_ (n=Kesne@pool-96-225-200-148.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 04:20.05 | sryan | my tether 1.5.1 |
| 04:20.29 | freakout-work | the REAL TheMightyServer is an incredibly advanced AI |
| 04:20.32 | freakout-work | Some call it God |
| 04:20.35 | *** join/#webos-internals Roy-Pre101 (n=Roy-Pre1@wsip-98-172-23-59.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 04:20.37 | freakout-work | it has no CAPS key |
| 04:20.41 | Jack87 | sryan, its way easy |
| 04:20.43 | Eguy | right |
| 04:20.50 | zsoc | Roy-Pre101, yo |
| 04:20.53 | Eguy | some say he has no face |
| 04:21.32 | Roy-Pre101 | yo, just stopped in a sec, popping out. |
| 04:21.34 | *** part/#webos-internals Roy-Pre101 (n=Roy-Pre1@wsip-98-172-23-59.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 04:21.40 | sryan | apparently windows vista/7 already have the driver, like you said |
| 04:22.23 | Jack87 | sryan, yup they do... and it is a nice driver to. works like a charm.. and the free version of mytether works great. |
| 04:22.56 | Jack87 | sryan, wifi tethering is over rated its just a simple thank you to donors considering the time and effort put into getting it going |
| 04:23.05 | Eguy | I can't install any app updates anymore :( |
| 04:23.11 | Eguy | for the second time |
| 04:23.28 | *** join/#webos-internals Roy-Pre101 (n=Roy-Pre1@wsip-98-172-23-59.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 04:23.47 | *** join/#webos-internals Abyssul (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:24.41 | *** part/#webos-internals Roy-Pre101 (n=Roy-Pre1@wsip-98-172-23-59.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 04:25.28 | Abyssul | nodoze is a no go |
| 04:25.43 | Jack87 | Abyssul, about video recording? |
| 04:25.47 | Abyssul | ye[ |
| 04:25.49 | Abyssul | Yep |
| 04:25.55 | Abyssul | and for the first time, I crashed my Pre |
| 04:26.04 | Eguy | fun |
| 04:26.06 | Jack87 | Abyssul, why not just install the screenlock patch... to never turn of screen |
| 04:26.10 | Abyssul | Was playing a video file and it froze and went to the palm boot screen |
| 04:26.12 | sryan | Luna restart crash? |
| 04:26.17 | Abyssul | Yep^ |
| 04:26.39 | Jack87 | Abyssul, screen lock patch is actually set to like and hour or something i cant remember but virtually never :) |
| 04:26.41 | sryan | I've had a few of those :) |
| 04:27.10 | Jack87 | palm screen of death |
| 04:27.41 | rea | been getting that from the youtube app a lot recently |
| 04:28.06 | sryan | is luna the window manager kind of like explorer.exe on Windows? |
| 04:28.34 | cryptk-pre | kind of... |
| 04:28.38 | Jack87 | sryan, something like that... i think it runs the UI |
| 04:30.47 | rea | I'm sure you've all discussed it already, but what was everyone's take on the alleged NFS game leak that supposed includes GPU support? |
| 04:31.23 | Abyssul | I wrote an article about it being a hoax |
| 04:31.57 | *** join/#webos-internals SirWill_ (n=chatzill@c-76-22-87-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:31.57 | rea | if it is, it is pretty elaborate, with the accompanying screenshots and all |
| 04:32.02 | Eguy | is kind of ignoring webos atm |
| 04:32.11 | Abyssul | Why Eguy? |
| 04:32.12 | Eguy | needs time |
| 04:32.23 | Abyssul | Why are you here then? |
| 04:32.25 | rea | needs OpenGL |
| 04:32.33 | Eguy | I still use it |
| 04:32.38 | sryan | WebGL!@ |
| 04:32.39 | Abyssul | Hehe |
| 04:32.45 | Eguy | just very disappointed with it |
| 04:32.51 | *** join/#webos-internals a2ny (n=anthony@c-98-242-62-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:33.14 | a2ny | hi all |
| 04:33.16 | zsoc | bbiab |
| 04:33.19 | rea | but there is so much potential, it just needs to be nurtured |
| 04:33.20 | sryan | if palm released a NDK do you think more developers will flock to webos? |
| 04:33.49 | rea | that plus more sales sryan |
| 04:33.49 | Eguy | the platform needs to be fixed before developers flock IMO |
| 04:34.00 | Eguy | the lag |
| 04:34.01 | Abyssul | The screen lock patch isn't in preware |
| 04:34.03 | rea | but better apps = more sales, so it is a catch 22 |
| 04:34.05 | Eguy | makes me angry |
| 04:34.36 | Eguy | If webOS had no lag I would be a very happy man, even without apps |
| 04:34.37 | rea | wouldnt an NDK take care of the lag? |
| 04:35.14 | Abyssul | Note to self: dont get a txt message and video record at the same time... |
| 04:35.21 | Eguy | full gpu acceleration would take care of the lag |
| 04:35.29 | Eguy | have the gpu do all the drawing |
| 04:35.44 | sryan | and also all the windows transformations |
| 04:35.49 | Eguy | the cpu is getting KILLED right now doing the tasks |
| 04:35.58 | Eguy | A2DP streaming kills the cpu |
| 04:36.02 | Abyssul | We will probably get GPU support by the end of the year |
| 04:36.03 | *** join/#webos-internals LoneStar34 (n=diego@adsl-76-195-136-75.dsl.hrlntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:36.10 | a2ny | Eguy: over EVDO |
| 04:36.16 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer_pre (n=wIRCer@75.62.132.27) |
| 04:36.23 | Eguy | bluetooth |
| 04:36.39 | Eguy | plus the a2dp bitrate is SO low it sounds horrible |
| 04:36.43 | rea | Abyssul: you say that, yet you wrote an article to disprove the leaked info> |
| 04:37.00 | Abyssul | I said the video was fake |
| 04:37.02 | hckyplayer_pre | I noticed that freetether is in preware but I get an error because the service isn't installed |
| 04:37.10 | Abyssul | Not the fact that GPU can come out soon |
| 04:37.19 | hckyplayer_pre | Any way to get the service? |
| 04:37.24 | sryan | is there a big difference between WiFi and EVDO (power consumption) |
| 04:37.26 | Eguy | I think it will come with 2.0 |
| 04:37.35 | Abyssul | sryan, not a big difference, but noticeable |
| 04:37.40 | rea | if it is going to come soon, I'd think they'd at least have to be at the stage in development where they could do a game like NFS |
| 04:37.45 | Eguy | wifi saves more power than evdo |
| 04:37.52 | Eguy | and heat |
| 04:37.58 | sryan | like streaming internet radio |
| 04:38.06 | LoneStar34 | anyone want to test an IPK? |
| 04:38.11 | sryan | I would get the same battery life using either |
| 04:38.25 | Eguy | my battery drains no matter which radio I use |
| 04:38.38 | Jack87 | http://themxweb.com/2009/11/22/evidence-need-foor-speed-video-was-a-hoax/ haha about NFS screen shots |
| 04:38.55 | rea | I've noticed better battery life since I started working from home and being on wifi instead of EVDO |
| 04:39.24 | Abyssul | My aritcle isn't the best :p I made it in like 10 minutes and it was like a hour after the video was posted |
| 04:39.37 | Eguy | It's pretty obvious without the article |
| 04:39.45 | Eguy | I called BS when I saw the headline |
| 04:39.50 | Abyssul | Not everyone is as smart at you Eguy :p |
| 04:39.58 | Eguy | :D |
| 04:40.06 | hckyplayer_pre | Is puffthemagic here? |
| 04:40.19 | rea | have to admit it was well played tho |
| 04:40.24 | Eguy | Is my superiority showing? |
| 04:40.25 | Abyssul | Na |
| 04:40.37 | rea | make a general claim, then get ppl to call you out for no proof, then post the bogus video |
| 04:40.51 | Eguy | what a loser though |
| 04:40.58 | *** join/#webos-internals cryptk-pre (n=wIRCer@cpe-72-181-90-7.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 04:41.00 | Eguy | so much effort to get pwned by Abyssul |
| 04:41.00 | *** join/#webos-internals preston_wirc (n=wIRCer@69-92-230-20.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 04:41.14 | LoneStar34 | what is the difference between this channel and regular "webos" |
| 04:41.22 | Abyssul | Usually Im the one getting pwned :) |
| 04:41.30 | Abyssul | Feels good for a change of pace |
| 04:41.33 | cryptk-pre | webos is about the operating system |
| 04:41.40 | Eguy | LoneStar34: this is the development channel |
| 04:41.52 | Eguy | modifications |
| 04:42.12 | *** part/#webos-internals preston_wirc (n=wIRCer@69-92-230-20.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 04:42.30 | Eguy | someone got mad Abyssul: "The video may (or may not be) be fake, but this âproofâ is garbage." |
| 04:42.37 | Abyssul | Did you guys read about Verizon challenging Sprints' ads? |
| 04:42.50 | Abyssul | Yea, there are always differential opinions |
| 04:42.51 | Eguy | I think you need to call him and apologize |
| 04:43.04 | Eguy | for obviously offending him |
| 04:43.05 | Abyssul | I send a virus his way. *wink* |
| 04:43.24 | LoneStar34 | Eguy: what about testing of IPKs? |
| 04:43.34 | Eguy | I think T-Mobile needs to sue them all and the circle will be complete |
| 04:43.59 | *** join/#webos-internals preston_wirc (n=wIRCer@69-92-230-20.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 04:44.00 | a2ny | Eguy: Want to test my malicious code ? |
| 04:44.03 | Eguy | LoneStar34: If someone wants to test an IPK for you that is fine in here |
| 04:44.04 | sryan | has anyone tried out the droid? |
| 04:44.11 | Eguy | sryan: yes |
| 04:44.19 | Abyssul | More apps in Catalog |
| 04:44.19 | Eguy | a2ny: sure! |
| 04:44.25 | a2ny | It is in a IPKG |
| 04:44.32 | LoneStar34 | Eguy: i have an IPK for testing |
| 04:44.34 | Eguy | I have malicious code |
| 04:44.49 | Eguy | it types rm -rf / |
| 04:44.50 | sryan | how is it? more responsive than the pre? |
| 04:44.50 | *** part/#webos-internals cryptk-pre (n=wIRCer@cpe-72-181-90-7.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 04:44.53 | a2ny | Can our malicious code make more malicious codes |
| 04:45.12 | Eguy | sryan: a hell of a lot better than the Pre right now IMO |
| 04:45.18 | sryan | IMO android UI looks like crap :) |
| 04:45.20 | Eguy | WAY less laggier |
| 04:45.30 | Eguy | responsive |
| 04:45.31 | sryan | compared to webos |
| 04:45.37 | Eguy | yes |
| 04:45.57 | Eguy | Pre's UI looks the best but it is so friggin slow |
| 04:46.07 | Eguy | unusable for my job |
| 04:46.12 | Abyssul | Ok, Precorder can official not record more than like a minute |
| 04:46.51 | sryan | I think Pre's UI looks even better than iPhone's |
| 04:47.03 | *** part/#webos-internals hckyplayer_pre (n=wIRCer@75.62.132.27) |
| 04:47.07 | Eguy | I agree |
| 04:47.07 | thebitguru | All right, the Wake-on-LAN app is almost ready :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE Soon I will have to figure out where to upload this to. |
| 04:47.15 | Eguy | If only it was as smooth |
| 04:47.30 | Eguy | thebitguru: precentral.net's homebrew gallery ;) |
| 04:47.33 | Jack87 | Abyssul, did you change screenlock timer then |
| 04:47.41 | Abyssul | no bueno |
| 04:47.46 | sryan | Just the applications aren't as feature-rich |
| 04:47.51 | Abyssul | Yes |
| 04:47.56 | thebitguru | Eguy: Rod was suggesting that I should probably upload this to webos-internals |
| 04:48.03 | Abyssul | I used nodoze, set the screen timer to never |
| 04:48.13 | Abyssul | and after 2 minutes of recording it doesnt appear in the list |
| 04:48.13 | Eguy | that is fine then |
| 04:48.19 | Eguy | as long as he will do it for you |
| 04:48.35 | thebitguru | Eguy: I am also looking for a place to share the code in case if anyone is interested |
| 04:48.44 | thebitguru | I was thinking of google code |
| 04:48.55 | sslow | I just did a 1:59 and all well I ll try longer now |
| 04:48.57 | Eguy | Good man, you can put it on git |
| 04:50.00 | LoneStar34 | thebitguru: you app is pretty cool |
| 04:50.10 | Abyssul | what app is it? |
| 04:50.12 | Eguy | I'll download it when you put it up |
| 04:50.19 | Eguy | WOL |
| 04:50.29 | Abyssul | whats that? |
| 04:50.39 | thebitguru | LoneStar34: thanks :) Not sure if many people will have a use for it given it's specialized use |
| 04:50.52 | thebitguru | Abyssul: check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE |
| 04:51.04 | Eguy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN |
| 04:51.37 | *** join/#webos-internals zsoc (n=nghr@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 04:51.40 | zsoc | WOOO IT WORKS |
| 04:51.43 | zsoc | and at the same time i broke it |
| 04:51.45 | zsoc | amazing |
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| 04:52.26 | Abyssul | Still not recording past 2 minutes... |
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| 04:53.10 | zsoc | Abyssul, did you try plugging it in? |
| 04:53.53 | Eguy | I still need to check if WOL works when my computer is off |
| 04:53.54 | sryan | thebitguru: that is pretty awesome. people can integrate that into applications like ampache |
| 04:53.54 | rwhitby | Great screencast for using Git on Windows: http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows |
| 04:53.54 | LoneStar34 | thebitguru: what about - waking up computer wirelessly? |
| 04:53.56 | DrFunk | sup cryptk-pre |
| 04:54.17 | rwhitby | thebitguru: you need a custom service, right? |
| 04:54.20 | cryptk-pre | sup DrFunk |
| 04:54.32 | Eguy | thebitguru: not a good idea to show the world your mac addresses though.... |
| 04:54.43 | DrFunk | nada tired and I missed the cast tonight |
| 04:55.07 | thebitguru | LoneStar34: my laptop's wireless card didn't support that so I had use the wired interface :) |
| 04:55.11 | cryptk-pre | I missed it too, a buddy of mine came over |
| 04:55.11 | Abyssul | What usefulness is waking up your computer? |
| 04:55.19 | sryan | Does my phone have to be on the same network as the device I'm trying to wake up? |
| 04:55.28 | Eguy | No |
| 04:55.29 | Abyssul | Yes sryan |
| 04:55.32 | Abyssul | hmmm |
| 04:55.41 | Abyssul | Figured LAN meant local |
| 04:55.46 | thebitguru | rwhitby: yup, this required a custom service |
| 04:55.53 | Eguy | LAN as in cable |
| 04:56.01 | rwhitby | thebitguru: what's the package ids for the service and app? |
| 04:56.05 | DrFunk | cryptk-pre: now I have to wait for the upload to drpodder |
| 04:56.18 | thebitguru | rwhitby: com.thebitguru.wol{service,ui} |
| 04:56.30 | cryptk-pre | yeah, I need to reinstall drpodder |
| 04:56.31 | rwhitby | thebitguru: shall I set up some repos for you? |
| 04:56.42 | LoneStar34 | Abyssul: if you have a computer "mac" laptop on sleep mode and you want to wake it up remotely - so you can access it, it is a useful app |
| 04:57.26 | sryan | yep, for accessing a media server or remote desktop |
| 04:57.35 | DrFunk | well I'm off for now all a little TV time now its 12:00 am |
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| 04:57.58 | LoneStar34 | laters DrFunk |
| 04:58.03 | DrFunk | cryptk-pre: talk.to you later and cya rwhitby |
| 04:58.10 | DrFunk | later LoneStar34 |
| 04:58.38 | rwhitby | ciao DrFunk |
| 04:58.43 | cryptk-pre | later DrFunk |
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| 05:03.54 | Abyssul | Meh, I still can't get it to record more than 2 minutes |
| 05:06.46 | zsoc | Abyssul, it may not be possible unless i can get a variable bitrate set up |
| 05:06.57 | sslow | abyssul: same here |
| 05:07.01 | Abyssul | alright |
| 05:07.09 | Abyssul | At least you are aware :) |
| 05:07.12 | zsoc | it's probably possible to debug right now with no stderr/out being fed back to the app |
| 05:07.24 | zsoc | er _not possible_ i meant |
| 05:07.24 | sslow | it show up in media/internal though |
| 05:07.41 | zsoc | once the pipeline falls apart, it never gets to mux, so it's not watchable |
| 05:07.45 | sslow | not playable |
| 05:08.08 | sslow | sorry im slow tonight |
| 05:09.01 | sslow | 1:59 thats it |
| 05:09.23 | Abyssul | hmph |
| 05:09.44 | Abyssul | I was eager to record myself playing drums too... |
| 05:10.43 | sslow | abyssul: how long is your solo? lol |
| 05:10.43 | a2ny | LOL |
| 05:11.17 | a2ny | my first drum set :D |
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| 05:11.43 | warren | sigh, I installed the 600Mhz cpu scaling patch and my phone no longer boots. I'm trying to figure out a way to boot and manipulate the filesystem over USB to disable the broken patch. |
| 05:11.57 | Abyssul | WebOS doctor |
| 05:11.58 | warren | I am in the volume up button "bootie" boot loader menu via novacom |
| 05:12.06 | warren | Abyssul: does that wipe everything? |
| 05:12.10 | warren | doesn't |
| 05:12.18 | Abyssul | USB partition |
| 05:12.30 | Abyssul | which is videos, music, photos |
| 05:12.44 | Abyssul | oh and you lose your text message histoy |
| 05:12.52 | sslow | warren:yep |
| 05:12.58 | warren | darn |
| 05:13.09 | warren | no alternative method of getting at the OS is known? |
| 05:13.15 | warren | I mean the filesystem |
| 05:13.32 | a2ny | lol |
| 05:13.43 | zsoc | you could try doing a google search for webos repair utility, not sure if it works with bootie |
| 05:13.56 | sslow | warren: not that I know of if it wont boot |
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| 05:14.24 | warren | It gets stuck during bootup when it runs the thing that triggers the cpu scaling patch. |
| 05:14.32 | sslow | warren: did you try pulling the battery then reinstall and power it back on |
| 05:14.45 | warren | yes |
| 05:14.56 | warren | it gets stuck at the Palm logo without glowing animation |
| 05:14.59 | sslow | warren: Im lost |
| 05:15.10 | Abyssul | Do you have root access? |
| 05:15.18 | warren | http://www.precentral.net/patches-enable-palm-pre-cpu-scaling-power-savings somebody here mentions they managed to get in via novacom at this point and delete the file in the startup scripts |
| 05:15.38 | warren | but it isn't showing up on novacomd except in bootie mode, which is prior to the linux kernel |
| 05:16.06 | sslow | DR time |
| 05:16.08 | a2ny | regardless, I think the patches should be pulled |
| 05:16.33 | warren | I think so too |
| 05:16.37 | warren | seems real hit and miss |
| 05:16.44 | a2ny | its been this way forever |
| 05:16.47 | a2ny | since july |
| 05:16.56 | sslow | a2ny: im running one and its really glitchy |
| 05:16.58 | warren | no wonder they downclocked it |
| 05:17.17 | a2ny | sslow: maybe you missed our previous discussion earlier |
| 05:17.46 | sslow | I did.. had to earn a living |
| 05:18.09 | sslow | a2ny: im removing it now |
| 05:18.47 | a2ny | I am going to take a guess on why the device locks, when the pre first starts up it enters 550mhz, this changes the voltage for the core |
| 05:19.27 | Abyssul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM |
| 05:19.29 | Abyssul | Ownage^ |
| 05:19.54 | a2ny | 600mhz uses a different voltage, but it may only boot with the voltage for the 550, thus causing a lock |
| 05:20.03 | warren | yeah |
| 05:20.25 | warren | Trying to figure out a way to get into the linux shell via novacom with that filesystem mounted to delete it |
| 05:20.32 | zsoc | Abyssul, that's my favorite video on youtube, btw |
| 05:20.38 | warren | hmm, anyone know the direct URL to the webos-internals ipkg's? |
| 05:20.53 | warren | i want to unpack that patch I installed and look at what it installed |
| 05:21.04 | sslow | wow removed powerflex and its like a fresh drd pre...much smoother |
| 05:22.05 | a2ny | good |
| 05:22.18 | a2ny | most of what people think they see is just a placebo IMO |
| 05:23.17 | a2ny | the only thing I would run is OC to 550 |
| 05:23.29 | tmzt | do we have source for pixi yet? |
| 05:23.31 | sslow | im sure but its definitely not stumbling like it was.. the Precorder seemed to be locking up quite a bit and now its not |
| 05:24.44 | zsoc | i think i got file movage to /media/internal/video working, as well as file naming |
| 05:24.48 | warren | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover interesting |
| 05:25.10 | warren | It seems I might be able to mount my filesystem in the brief window of time between 12% and 54% |
| 05:25.24 | warren | while it is running off the ramdisk |
| 05:25.42 | warren | could someone let me know exactly which device is the root filesystem? |
| 05:25.56 | a2ny | huh ? |
| 05:26.41 | warren | /dev/something1 ext3 mounted as / |
| 05:26.41 | zsoc | I don't think people realize how long it takes to actually restart java services |
| 05:28.08 | sslow | zsoc: you are a machine |
| 05:28.58 | warren | It seems that I can boot the recovery image in RAM, get into it via novacom at 12%, mount my root filesystem and delete the patch manually, unmount and reboot before it reaches 52%. |
| 05:29.05 | warren | theoretically if I'm understanding this page right |
| 05:29.22 | zsoc | warren, that sounds reasonable |
| 05:29.36 | zsoc | sslow, nah, the real heros of webos-internals are here, they are the machines |
| 05:29.42 | warren | but I need to know exactly which device to mount and which file to delete |
| 05:30.07 | JayCanuck | sslow = 2sslow? |
| 05:30.20 | sslow | yes |
| 05:30.28 | warren | Thus I'm hoping somebody with a working Pre can figure out what device I need to mount. |
| 05:30.46 | warren | and I am asking for help to find the raw ipkg feed so I can look at the patch manually |
| 05:30.51 | JayCanuck | sweet, just want to thank ya again for the Pre, hasn't arrived yet, but it's still very much appreciated :) |
| 05:31.12 | a2ny | http://webos.pastebin.com/f799d1a87 |
| 05:31.33 | sslow | no problem... cant wait to see what you can do with an actual device |
| 05:31.56 | sslow | to test on |
| 05:32.00 | zsoc | JayCanuck, you might be interested to know, for future reference, renameTo() is not supported in linux it seems |
| 05:32.01 | warren | a2ny: thanks... darn, it uses lvm |
| 05:32.04 | JayCanuck | heh, I have a few things I'm lookin forward to tryin |
| 05:32.13 | JayCanuck | interest |
| 05:32.18 | sslow | cant wait |
| 05:32.27 | JayCanuck | zsoc it works fine with FileMgr Service |
| 05:32.36 | warren | zsoc: a2ny: do you know of a way to STOP the recovery process between 12% and 52% so I have more time to do this? |
| 05:32.58 | zsoc | JayCanuck, OH, ha, that's funny, then the issue _was_ the variable output. I think the 'dest' variable ended up being the directory without the trailing "/" |
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| 05:33.25 | zsoc | JayCanuck, i had already converted the 'moveto' proccess to another shell script, and i didn't realize it till after that (once i could see the shell script getting created and the variable in there) |
| 05:33.35 | zsoc | JayCanuck, if nothing else, the script creater is a great debugging too ;) |
| 05:33.46 | JayCanuck | ;) |
| 05:33.54 | zsoc | s/too/tool |
| 05:34.33 | zsoc | JayCanuck, Derek is obsessed with you, btw, he can't say your name without putting crazy adjectives in front of it ;) |
| 05:34.39 | zsoc | "the great an powerful oz..." |
| 05:34.49 | sslow | JayCanuck: any plans to implement renaming in internalz? |
| 05:35.08 | JayCanuck | yep |
| 05:35.24 | JayCanuck | it's ready in my private builds |
| 05:35.39 | JayCanuck | along with lots of other neat new features |
| 05:35.47 | sslow | if derek thinks hes great now ...wait till he gets his pre, This week hopefully. I sent it over a week ago |
| 05:35.50 | JayCanuck | including text editing :D |
| 05:36.05 | JayCanuck | derek? |
| 05:36.35 | sslow | i use internalz almost as much as WOSQI and PreWare |
| 05:36.48 | JayCanuck | I assume ya don't mean Derek the PreCentral writer, eh |
| 05:37.07 | sslow | Ask zsoc |
| 05:37.08 | zsoc | JayCanuck, yes i do mean him |
| 05:37.10 | zsoc | :) |
| 05:37.37 | a2ny | yeah |
| 05:37.40 | a2ny | use novaterm |
| 05:37.56 | sslow | JayCanuck: not rushing but ...ETA? |
| 05:38.13 | JayCanuck | haven't talked to him in a while, though I've very glad he got only early to post the precorder story before all the other blogs caught on |
| 05:38.16 | a2ny | I've halted it before, what are you trying to do |
| 05:38.22 | JayCanuck | eta for updated Internalz? |
| 05:38.29 | sslow | yep |
| 05:38.31 | zsoc | Videos now successfully move into /media/internal/video |
| 05:38.43 | sslow | zsoc: awesome |
| 05:39.11 | JayCanuck | should be like a week or so, workin through a few kinks and need to add a few more updated features |
| 05:39.44 | sslow | JayCanuck: cant wait.. keep up the good work |
| 05:39.52 | Jack87 | zsoc, so it takes video on media drive then moves it to the folder? |
| 05:40.08 | zsoc | Jack87, it would seem yes |
| 05:40.22 | rwhitby | so, which patches need to be pulled? |
| 05:40.26 | Eguy | Abyssul: thanks for the count video. Always fun to watch |
| 05:40.28 | Jack87 | zsoc, very nice |
| 05:40.32 | zsoc | I'm off to bed, hopefully the next version will allow implementation for your own file name as well as nifty new graphics |
| 05:40.50 | zsoc | When I'm alone, I count myself |
| 05:40.55 | Jack87 | zsoc, goodnight |
| 05:41.01 | warren | is webos doctor updated to 1.3.1 yet? |
| 05:41.02 | sslow | night |
| 05:41.08 | sslow | yes |
| 05:41.32 | warren | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover I'm hoping there is a way to halt the flashing process after 12% here |
| 05:41.37 | warren | so I have time to figure out how to mount the filesystem |
| 05:41.55 | clee | warren: so, I have to ask... what made you think this was a good idea? |
| 05:42.19 | warren | clee: I was bored during a movie |
| 05:42.29 | sslow | warren:http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/215661-webosdoctor-1-3-1-available.html |
| 05:43.08 | warren | hmm, can I run webos doctor on linux? |
| 05:43.20 | Jack87 | warren, yes make sure you have java runtime installed |
| 05:43.36 | warren | java -jar thatfile.jar ? |
| 05:43.41 | Jack87 | warren, and you run it through java not archivor |
| 05:44.17 | a2ny | warren, if you are going to webdoc, I suggest you meta-doc |
| 05:44.27 | a2ny | give var 2gb :D |
| 05:44.55 | a2ny | can someone df -h and pastebin that has a stock doctor |
| 05:45.12 | warren | a2ny: oh, that thing to make it possible to install more apps? |
| 05:45.16 | warren | clee: chris lee? |
| 05:45.32 | clee | the one and only :) |
| 05:45.44 | warren | long time no see |
| 05:45.49 | warren | clee: so i guess you have this phone? |
| 05:45.55 | warren | i both love and hate it |
| 05:46.56 | rwhitby | warren: what happened to your phone? you can novaterm into the phone while the doctor is running. |
| 05:47.03 | Jack87 | chris and warren... you guys arent from utah are you |
| 05:47.31 | warren | rwhitby: 600mhz cpu scaling patch rendered my phone stuck during bootup |
| 05:47.43 | warren | rwhitby: I'm only able to get anything on novaterm in bootie mode |
| 05:48.07 | warren | rwhitby: i'm trying to boot the recovery image from ram, which apparently gives me a tiny amount of time to shell in |
| 05:48.13 | rwhitby | warren: how much linux experience do you have? |
| 05:48.17 | warren | rwhitby: considerable |
| 05:48.18 | clee | Jack87: no, I used to work with warren at Red Hat. |
| 05:48.55 | rwhitby | warren: are you familiar with how the doctor boots the phone with a ram image and then runs trenchcoat? |
| 05:48.57 | Jack87 | thanks clee... i know a chris lee here in utah who is friends with a warren haha |
| 05:49.39 | warren | rwhitby: I'm only vaguely familiar based upon reading http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 05:49.52 | sslow | bed time! i'm out |
| 05:49.55 | warren | rwhitby: I'm trying to mount my root filesystem and delete the patch manually so I can recover without losing my data |
| 05:50.46 | Jack87 | warren, rumor has it webos dr 1.3.1 doesnt touch mdeia drive.. but ask rwhitby to confirm |
| 05:51.00 | Abyssul | i doubt it |
| 05:51.07 | rwhitby | warren: the doctor contains a uImage with kernel and initramfs. There is a bootie command to load and run such an image |
| 05:51.16 | warren | ooh |
| 05:51.37 | rwhitby | warren: do you have the meta-doctor git cloned? |
| 05:51.43 | warren | finding it |
| 05:51.54 | rwhitby | git.webos-internals.org tools |
| 05:52.11 | warren | got it |
| 05:52.28 | rwhitby | put a correctly renamed doctor image in a downloads subdir - running make will tell where and what |
| 05:52.30 | warren | what is the standard size of /var? why do i want 2GB as suggested by a2ny? |
| 05:52.49 | rwhitby | it's 256MB at the moment, too small for significant apps (webos or linux) |
| 05:53.04 | Jack87 | warren, you are best off with 2gig |
| 05:53.15 | warren | that means less space for media huh? |
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| 05:53.27 | rwhitby | warren: yep |
| 05:53.30 | Jack87 | warren, yes.. maybe 1gig is good to :) |
| 05:53.44 | Jack87 | rwhitby, is it only 2gig meta doctor allows? |
| 05:53.45 | rwhitby | you can vary the actual number in the meta-doctor Makefile |
| 05:53.48 | warren | is this known safe with future webos updatess? |
| 05:54.17 | rwhitby | warren: as safe as it can be. it can only be broken if Palm does an lvm resize as part of an update |
| 05:54.34 | Jack87 | warren, so far so good.. worst case this will allow you to recover your files then you can do an official doctor if you feel better with that |
| 05:55.46 | rwhitby | warren: the 'unpack' target in the meta-doctor will get you access to castle.xml to see the partitions |
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| 05:56.00 | warren | well, meta-doc isn't my goal |
| 05:56.15 | warren | my goal is just to boot recovery image, mount rootfilesystem and unfuck the 600mhz patch |
| 05:56.15 | rwhitby | warren: right, but you'll also have the uImage then too |
| 05:57.22 | rwhitby | warren: using the meta-doctor to unpack is the easiest way to get you set up with a directory structure that we can communicate about |
| 05:57.22 | warren | <rwhitby> put a correctly renamed doctor image in a downloads subdir - running make will tell where and what |
| 05:57.23 | warren | i'm trying to figure htis out now |
| 05:57.40 | rwhitby | if you run the makefile, it should error out not being able to find the doctor image, and should tell you where to put it with what name |
| 05:58.00 | warren | ah |
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| 05:58.34 | warren | make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar] Error 1 |
| 05:58.37 | warren | well, I have Sprint, not Bell |
| 05:59.17 | rwhitby | warren: make CARRIER=sprint |
| 05:59.49 | rwhitby | warren: names are as per http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
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| 06:00.33 | warren | http://webos.pastebin.com/mdf58e84 |
| 06:00.38 | warren | 1.2.1? and it still says bellmo |
| 06:01.16 | rwhitby | one sec |
| 06:01.50 | rwhitby | warren: git pull please |
| 06:02.16 | SirWill_ | rwhitby: what do I have to do to get putty to work over usb... I have the IP, but it won't connect. Novaterm works. |
| 06:02.40 | rwhitby | SirWill_: upstart control file iptables lines? |
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| 06:02.56 | warren | rwhitby: make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.3.1.jar] Error 1 |
| 06:03.04 | rwhitby | warren: make CARRIER=sprint unpack |
| 06:03.07 | warren | rwhitby: meta-doc looks pretty cool |
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| 06:03.36 | rwhitby | warren: it's the only way I could think of to create custom doctor images without redistributing palm files |
| 06:03.48 | warren | yeah, I appreciate the effort |
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| 06:04.20 | warren | http://webos.pastebin.com/m5c2a3f05 |
| 06:05.13 | rwhitby | warren: ok, grab the appropriate doctor from the wiki page link and put it where it says |
| 06:05.56 | warren | I thought I did grab the right version |
| 06:05.58 | warren | downloading again |
| 06:06.03 | warren | 4 minute ETA |
| 06:06.09 | rwhitby | oh, you need to rename it with the version appended |
| 06:06.36 | warren | oops |
| 06:06.38 | rwhitby | they don't version the filename you download |
| 06:06.39 | warren | wrong dir |
| 06:08.00 | warren | ok, unpacked |
| 06:09.29 | warren | rwhitby: where is the direct URL to the webos-internals ipkg feed? I want to manually inspect that patch that screwed me so I know exactly what to to delete. |
| 06:09.48 | Jack87 | SirWill_, try turning on usbnet and assighning an ip |
| 06:10.13 | rwhitby | warren: ipkg.preware.org/feeds |
| 06:11.56 | Jack87-wIRC | SirWill_: I always do it using usbnet as a usbnetwork controler works like a charm. |
| 06:12.16 | Robi_ | rwhitby: Palm Treo Pro Smart Phone (Unlocked, Quad-Band GSM) $299.99 Free Shipping |
| 06:12.29 | warren | hm, what tools to unpack a ipkg... |
| 06:13.19 | rwhitby | warren: preware/build.git in toolchain/ipkg-utils/ipkg-unbuild - python scripts |
| 06:13.31 | JayCanuck | 7zip works too |
| 06:13.43 | JayCanuck | so does "ar" commandline tool |
| 06:14.04 | warren | ok, /etc/event.d/powersave-cpu-scaling is the file I need to delete |
| 06:14.14 | warren | now to figure out how to boot a kernel and initramfs... |
| 06:14.24 | SirWill_ | I'm thinking I haven't set something up right since I doctored my phone. Back in June I did everything manual. This time I just went the preware route. Thinking I didn't install SSH yet. I want to go back to the old manual method LOL |
| 06:14.26 | rwhitby | warren: do you have any tools to unpack a uImage ? |
| 06:14.29 | LoneStar34 | does the palm treo run webos? |
| 06:15.10 | warren | rwhitby: is it a standard compressed cpio image like initramfs? |
| 06:15.55 | rwhitby | warren: uImage u-boot image, containing separate kernel and initramfs files. I dunno what format the initramfs is, cause I haven't gone to the trouble of unpacking the uImage yet |
| 06:16.09 | warren | oh |
| 06:16.21 | warren | one of those combined kernel + initramfs images |
| 06:16.32 | rwhitby | yep |
| 06:17.02 | warren | rwhitby: what is my goal to unpack it? |
| 06:17.16 | rwhitby | the format is documented pretty well in u-boot source, but I haven't found an unpack tool and have been too lazy to write one |
| 06:17.34 | rwhitby | warren: I guess so you can stop it from running trenchcoat and just run novacomd instead |
| 06:17.35 | Jack87-wIRC | SirWill_: old method requires pyton explain at webosinternals.org |
| 06:18.04 | warren | oh, novacomd is both the phone and host daemon? neat |
| 06:18.17 | rwhitby | warren: alternatively, if you're handy with Java you could cause the webOS Doctor java files to not send the trenchcoat data, and novaterm in while it's waiting |
| 06:18.49 | warren | rwhitby: alternatively just kill webos doctor? |
| 06:18.58 | Jack87-wIRC | SirWill_: Python and telnet connection. you are probably better off using terminal app from preware to install ssh |
| 06:19.07 | rwhitby | warren: another alternative is to gut the castle.xml file to remove all the lvm stuff, and hope that the connection stays |
| 06:19.20 | rwhitby | warren: that's a dangerous one, cause trenchcoat wipes the partitions first thing |
| 06:19.32 | warren | what point does it run trenchcoat? |
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| 06:20.56 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 06:21.07 | rwhitby | somewhere shortly after 12% |
| 06:21.17 | warren | darn |
| 06:21.32 | rwhitby | hmm - or maybe between 10 and 12 - don't remember |
| 06:22.05 | rwhitby | warren: do you do Java? |
| 06:22.14 | warren | not really |
| 06:22.21 | rwhitby | me neither :-( |
| 06:22.47 | rwhitby | JayCanuck does - maybe he could help you make the doctor stop before sending the trenchcoat data. |
| 06:23.07 | rwhitby | warren: so it hangs on every boot? |
| 06:23.10 | JayCanuck | I'm not at home at the moment, sry |
| 06:23.11 | warren | rwhitby: yes |
| 06:23.24 | warren | rwhitby: what did you mean by gutting castle.xml? |
| 06:23.42 | rwhitby | warren: you looking at castle.xml in unpacked webOS dir? |
| 06:23.46 | warren | yes |
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| 06:25.14 | rwhitby | I can't guarantee this (and if I'm wrong you'll wipe the phone), but when I was working out how to change the NVRAM token for the qwertz keyboard fix I noticed that removing the lvm entries from that file caused trenchcoat to not do the partitioning and formatting. but I only tested that on a stand-alone file, not on the Pre. |
| 06:25.16 | warren | rwhitby: it is not TOO bad if I lose all the data, more curiosity to see if it is possible, then document it afterward |
| 06:27.11 | rwhitby | warren: in that case, remove the VolumeGroups and Filesystem sections from castle.xml and watch the java log as you doctor. |
| 06:27.28 | warren | rwhitby: how do I repack it after modifying castle.xml? |
| 06:27.35 | rwhitby | probably remove Images and PostInstall too |
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| 06:27.47 | rwhitby | warren: do make CARRIER=sprint patch |
| 06:27.53 | rwhitby | then edit castle.xml |
| 06:28.06 | warren | rwhitby: that actually causes trenchcoat to abort? |
| 06:28.06 | rwhitby | then make CARRIER=sprint pack |
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| 06:28.42 | rwhitby | warren: when I tested a minimal castle.xml on a stand-alone file (you can run trenchcoat against a file to test it) it didn't do the partitioning and formatting |
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| 06:28.51 | rwhitby | warren: but I don't know what will happen on a real device |
| 06:28.59 | rwhitby | so you're risking data here |
| 06:29.07 | warren | not too worried about the data |
| 06:29.44 | rwhitby | warren: as long as you don't touch the Flash section, it should be recoverable with the normal doctor if anything goes wrong |
| 06:29.53 | rwhitby | but again, no guarantees. |
| 06:30.07 | warren | trenchcoat itself is what makes novaterm work at 12%? |
| 06:30.22 | warren | I wonder if replacing trenchcoat in castle.xml lets you run something else |
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| 06:31.53 | SirWill_ | Feel at home again. Got my putty back. :) Ran the good ole optware-bootstrap.sh Missed that step after my last doctor apparently happy now. |
| 06:32.36 | warren | oh nevermimd, I see that castle.xml itself controls trenchcoat |
| 06:33.17 | SirWill_ | that accomplished now time for bed. |
| 06:35.36 | Jack87-wIRC | SirWill_: there you go! that's what I was talking about. night |
| 06:35.50 | warren | on the phone filesystem what is the path to novacomd? |
| 06:36.23 | rwhitby | warren: look in the unpacked rootfs dir |
| 06:36.32 | SirWill_ | Yeah, I thought I had done that for some reason. But apparently that was after I doctored last week. lol Hopefully I'm done doctoring for a while. Unless I bail on 1.3.1 and go back to 1.2.1 |
| 06:36.32 | warren | ooh, in novacomd.list |
| 06:37.01 | warren | rwhitby: i'm seein if PostInstall set to /sbin/novacomd leaves it running |
| 06:38.02 | warren | rwhitby: I really don't want to remove the Flash section? |
| 06:38.09 | rwhitby | warren: oh, if you want it to stay running, just put an .orig file somewhere in the rootfs before packing again to make the verification fail |
| 06:38.43 | warren | rwhitby: verification happens when |
| 06:38.44 | warren | ? |
| 06:39.29 | rwhitby | warren: right at the end, after paritioning, formatting, unpacking rootfs and postinstall |
| 06:39.40 | warren | rwhitby: it seems that I want to remove the Flash section as well? |
| 06:39.53 | rwhitby | if the verification fails, the doctor fails, but the phone does not reboot and you're still in novaterm |
| 06:40.03 | warren | cool, thanks for that tip |
| 06:41.49 | rwhitby | I get that when the firstuse patch is not clean and leaves .orig files around |
| 06:42.11 | warren | packing, leaving Flash section in |
| 06:42.17 | warren | if I lose my data no biggie |
| 06:42.35 | warren | PostInstall runs /sbin/novacomd and I added an .orig file |
| 06:42.42 | rwhitby | warren: where does the java log come out on your host OS? |
| 06:42.48 | warren | umm |
| 06:42.51 | tmzt | what downloads the uImage? |
| 06:42.59 | rwhitby | cause you'll want to be watching that |
| 06:43.06 | rwhitby | on MacOSX it's in /var/log/system.log |
| 06:43.10 | warren | looks like /tmp/PalmWebOsRecoveryToolLog0.log.0 |
| 06:43.13 | rwhitby | I'm assuming you're on Fedora? |
| 06:43.15 | warren | yes |
| 06:43.34 | tmzt | doctor/trenchcoat does? |
| 06:43.51 | rwhitby | tmzt: doctor tells bootie to load that in ram and run |
| 06:44.32 | warren | rwhitby: does pack replace the original file I put in downloads/ ? |
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| 06:45.15 | rwhitby | warren: it's copied into build dir first |
| 06:45.32 | rwhitby | downloads files are not touched (I actually symlink mine to my doctor storage area) |
| 06:45.39 | warren | oh I see |
| 06:45.48 | warren | java -jar webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.1.jar |
| 06:45.50 | warren | I'm guessing? |
| 06:45.53 | rwhitby | yep |
| 06:45.57 | warren | here goes nothing |
| 06:46.08 | rwhitby | we need a pastebin -f :-) |
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| 06:47.48 | warren | got in via novaterm |
| 06:48.17 | warren | sweet, it SEEMS to have worked as expected |
| 06:48.24 | warren | i'll upload logs soon |
| 06:48.32 | tmzt | rwhitby: ok |
| 06:48.44 | rwhitby | warren: thanks - I'm interested in those logs |
| 06:48.53 | warren | ok, how to start lvm manually.... |
| 06:50.04 | tmzt | is Pixi out? |
| 06:50.10 | tmzt | it should be |
| 06:50.29 | tmzt | but I can't find source for it |
| 06:50.52 | sryan_wirc | anyone had a situation where a contact would load and then immediately close out |
| 06:51.14 | warren | lvm.static vgchange -a y --ignorelockingfailure |
| 06:53.00 | warren | hmm, there's no reboot, halt or poweroff command |
| 06:54.19 | rwhitby | tellbootie |
| 06:55.14 | warren | rwhitby: heh |
| 06:55.23 | warren | rwhitby: I managed to mount the rootfs |
| 06:55.26 | warren | rwhitby: deleted the file |
| 06:55.27 | warren | rebooted |
| 06:55.35 | warren | and now I have a triangle with ! |
| 06:55.39 | warren | www.palm.com/ROM |
| 06:56.09 | grndslm | get the doctor, then reboot the pre while holding the volume up until you see a usb icon |
| 06:56.56 | warren | so it seems trenchcoat did blow something away |
| 06:57.32 | rwhitby | can you give me logs anyway? |
| 06:57.59 | warren | oh I see what happened |
| 06:58.04 | warren | it redid the /boot partition only |
| 06:58.08 | warren | my /boot is empty now |
| 06:58.58 | warren | perhaps removing the Flash section was a good idea after all |
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| 06:59.12 | warren | rwhitby: http://togami.com/~warren/metadoc.txt |
| 06:59.16 | warren | my data isn't gone |
| 06:59.19 | warren | only my /boot is empty |
| 06:59.36 | rwhitby | warren: ah, the /boot Entry in Flash probably erased it |
| 06:59.46 | warren | so... |
| 06:59.48 | warren | hm |
| 06:59.52 | warren | redo only /boot |
| 07:00.03 | rwhitby | there's a no-format option I think |
| 07:00.09 | hmagoo | hmm. smartreflex at 600mhz seems to be working rather well. under 1% battery drain per hour when idle. |
| 07:00.29 | rwhitby | where did I see that. |
| 07:00.39 | warren | hmagoo: really? |
| 07:00.43 | grndslm | hmagoo: yup, smartreflex is the way to go |
| 07:00.48 | rwhitby | warren: I think there is a castle.xml in the rootfs somewhere, and I think it had a no-format option tag for Flash |
| 07:00.52 | warren | rwhitby: well, now I need to restore stuff into /boot |
| 07:01.07 | hmagoo | well, I turned data off. haven't measured with evdo |
| 07:01.09 | warren | not exactly clear what to put into /boot |
| 07:01.17 | rwhitby | warren: use webos quick install to send stuff over. |
| 07:01.22 | rwhitby | or novacom put |
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| 07:01.29 | warren | rwhitby: but what do I put there? =) |
| 07:01.39 | rwhitby | hmm. no /boot in rootfs |
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| 07:02.28 | warren | trying a theory |
| 07:02.30 | hmagoo | precorder works fine with smartreflex too. usually apps like that are the ones that might have a problem. |
| 07:03.14 | warren | rwhitby: well, I guess folks know what to do now |
| 07:03.20 | warren | rwhitby: minus my Flash section |
| 07:03.22 | warren | this would have worked |
| 07:04.03 | rwhitby | warren: I can try that later to verify. |
| 07:04.14 | rwhitby | it will be a good recovery technique if it does work. |
| 07:04.18 | warren | you blow away your phone often? =) |
| 07:04.18 | warren | yes |
| 07:04.33 | rwhitby | warren: I run the doctor multiple times per week usually. |
| 07:04.34 | warren | rwhitby: would be great if we had a better way to make it not reboot at the end of trenchcoat though |
| 07:05.00 | rwhitby | since the CDMA Pre doesn't work as a phone in Australia, I don't keep much stuff on it. I use a Treo 650 daily. |
| 07:05.23 | rwhitby | warren: maybe postinstall = /bin/false ? |
| 07:05.42 | rwhitby | or sleep a big number |
| 07:06.19 | WillJitsu | Treo 650 huh. I think mine has been sitting in a drawer for 3+ years now. |
| 07:06.21 | rwhitby | my gsm pre got lost between Germany and here. |
| 07:07.21 | warren | rwhitby: what are the contents of your /boot on a live pre? |
| 07:07.48 | rwhitby | warren: let me get a cable ... |
| 07:08.07 | warren | you're in AU? |
| 07:08.13 | warren | I guess I need to compare it to another Sprint Pre |
| 07:08.16 | warren | Sprint Pre 1.3.1 |
| 07:08.29 | Jack87-wIRC | warren: he has sprint pre |
| 07:08.30 | rwhitby | warren: yep, Adelaide |
| 07:08.37 | warren | oh |
| 07:08.48 | rwhitby | I happen to have one of those right here ;-) |
| 07:08.49 | Jack87-wIRC | warren: just not working as a phone |
| 07:08.52 | warren | rwhitby: cool that you work on this, but curious what is your stake in this? |
| 07:09.19 | rwhitby | warren: replacement for Treo 650. did stuff on openmoko but wanted a hardware keyboard |
| 07:09.34 | warren | heh |
| 07:09.34 | warren | cool |
| 07:10.01 | rwhitby | and an open source project is the easiest way to get other people to write the software that I need ;-) |
| 07:10.07 | Jack87-wIRC | what is openmoko... parden me too lazy to google on pre |
| 07:10.24 | rwhitby | Jack87-wIRC: the first and only truly open source phone |
| 07:10.34 | warren | confirmed, my /boot is empty |
| 07:10.37 | clee | unfortunately, it's also a piece of shit |
| 07:10.45 | rwhitby | warren: dead battery. will have to wait a while |
| 07:10.47 | rwhitby | clee: agreed. |
| 07:10.53 | warren | This *might* work if I have the right files in my real /boot |
| 07:10.57 | Jack87-wIRC | rwhitby: clee: copy that |
| 07:11.11 | rwhitby | clee: I have 2 1973's and 2 FreeRunners. only 2 work, and only one works enough to make a call. |
| 07:11.14 | warren | any idea if bootie needs the actual file offsets to find the images like lilo used to? |
| 07:11.18 | warren | or it reads the filesystem to find it? |
| 07:11.33 | clee | rwhitby: openmoko is not exactly what I would call a shining star of the open-source movement. |
| 07:11.39 | rwhitby | warren: no idea. if geist were around he would know |
| 07:11.45 | Jack87-wIRC | warren: see if you can extract the /boot files from doctor |
| 07:12.19 | warren | I'm hoping a Sprint Pre 1.3.1 user can confirm the exact contents of /boot |
| 07:12.22 | tmzt | for uImage? |
| 07:12.24 | rwhitby | clee: well, everything was open, it just didn't work well, and wasn't managed in a common direction ;-) |
| 07:12.26 | WillJitsu | is it possible to copy/paste from the Terminal app? |
| 07:12.30 | tmzt | they should be in the header |
| 07:12.40 | tmzt | otherwise no point using uImage |
| 07:12.40 | clee | rwhitby: the "only one works enough to make a call" part is the depressing thing. |
| 07:12.44 | clee | WillJitsu: yes |
| 07:13.14 | rwhitby | clee: yep, hardware was unstable, and software went in to many disparate directions to get anything that comes even close to webOS |
| 07:13.27 | clee | rwhitby: hell, I'd settle for Android |
| 07:13.31 | clee | wait. |
| 07:13.32 | clee | no. |
| 07:13.34 | clee | I'm not that desperate. |
| 07:13.51 | warren | clee: what are you doing these days? we haven't talked in a while. |
| 07:14.04 | clee | warren: working for that startup, kicking ass, taking names, the usual |
| 07:14.15 | WillJitsu | clee: how do you do it? |
| 07:14.39 | clee | WillJitsu: it depends on which terminal app you're using. Are you on OS X? |
| 07:14.52 | clee | or did you mean a Terminal app on webOS? |
| 07:14.59 | clee | if you meant the latter, I have no idea, and I retract my 'yes' |
| 07:15.04 | WillJitsu | clee: yes on webOS |
| 07:15.08 | WillJitsu | ha ok |
| 07:15.10 | clee | then I have no idea. sorry for the lies :) |
| 07:15.32 | warren | Here's the doctor's /boot contents http://fpaste.org/iaxq/ |
| 07:15.34 | WillJitsu | :) |
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| 07:16.16 | warren | The uimage here doesn't match the md5sum of the uImage in the doctor unpacked |
| 07:16.25 | warren | ohI see |
| 07:16.32 | warren | uImage in doctor unpacked is the installer |
| 07:16.36 | warren | not the standard |
| 07:17.14 | rwhitby | warren: the one in webOS is the installer ram image |
| 07:17.34 | warren | somewhere in here must be the standard /boot contents |
| 07:17.36 | rwhitby | the doctor sends the rootfs stuff across to trenchcoat running on the device as a tarball |
| 07:18.12 | rwhitby | warren: note that I don't unpack the whole rootfs, so look in the tarball, not the unpacked directory |
| 07:18.22 | warren | ah |
| 07:18.24 | Jack87-wIRC | rwhitby: would it be bad to send him the contents of /boot |
| 07:18.30 | rwhitby | warren: there is an unpack-doctor script in the scripts dir |
| 07:18.37 | rwhitby | warren: that unpacks the lot |
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| 07:19.42 | warren | wow |
| 07:19.44 | warren | Panic.tga is cool |
| 07:21.03 | rwhitby | warren: unpack-doctor gets you /boot contents |
| 07:21.07 | warren | I see yes |
| 07:21.10 | warren | I'll try copying that over |
| 07:21.13 | warren | nothing to lose |
| 07:21.18 | rwhitby | that should work |
| 07:21.43 | rwhitby | sorry i didn't remember before that meta-doctor only does a partial unpack |
| 07:22.22 | rwhitby | warren: I should be able to compare md5sums from a real phone soon |
| 07:22.31 | warren | thanks |
| 07:22.53 | tmzt | is bootie big enough for sd and fat driver? ro |
| 07:23.07 | tmzt | not fat |
| 07:23.11 | tmzt | is it ext2? |
| 07:23.15 | warren | ext3 |
| 07:23.22 | tmzt | since it has symlinks |
| 07:23.26 | rwhitby | warren: yep, they match the doctor |
| 07:23.37 | warren | ok, hopefully bootie knows how to find the files |
| 07:23.48 | warren | umm, how do i copy files over novacom? |
| 07:23.55 | rwhitby | warren: novacom put |
| 07:24.23 | warren | bad or error response from other side: 'unrecognized command' |
| 07:24.25 | rwhitby | warren: I *think* it's novacom put file://boot/foo < file |
| 07:24.31 | warren | oh |
| 07:25.02 | warren | sweet |
| 07:25.03 | rwhitby | warren: WebOS Quick Install has that functionality. |
| 07:25.17 | rwhitby | (and does exactly that under the hood, but it's closed source) |
| 07:25.37 | tmzt | what is? |
| 07:25.45 | rwhitby | wosqi is closed source |
| 07:25.47 | warren | copied files over and rebooing |
| 07:26.07 | tmzt | oh, didn't know that |
| 07:26.22 | rwhitby | tmzt: easy to decompile, but closed source nonetheless |
| 07:26.59 | rwhitby | we really need some good cross-platform python libraries for novacom |
| 07:27.21 | warren | phone boots to Palm logo |
| 07:27.30 | warren | it fades to black and reboots back into Palm logo |
| 07:27.37 | warren | I think I screwed it with the Flash section |
| 07:27.47 | warren | this is progress though |
| 07:28.45 | warren | yeah, it's stuck in a reboot loop now |
| 07:31.51 | rwhitby | warren: does novaterm connect at all? |
| 07:33.16 | warren | rwhitby: how did you get a sprint pre btw? |
| 07:33.32 | warren | rwhitby: I don't think novaterm can work at that point booting from the standard uImage |
| 07:33.46 | rwhitby | warren: bpadalino bought it off craigslist for me. we checked it was a clean ESN first. |
| 07:34.14 | warren | tmzt: yes, bootie can read ext2 |
| 07:35.03 | rwhitby | warren: so you reckon remove everything from castle.xml except CPI ? |
| 07:35.04 | rwhitby | CPU |
| 07:35.14 | rwhitby | (I can test this now) |
| 07:35.32 | warren | rwhitby: that's my guess |
| 07:35.44 | warren | but you still need a way to stop it from rebooting |
| 07:35.55 | warren | and it seems to run novacomd on its own |
| 07:36.06 | rwhitby | warren: novacomd is part of the installer ram image |
| 07:36.21 | warren | tries /bin/false |
| 07:36.44 | rwhitby | warren: oh, I just realised, I should have just got you to use novacom and bootie to load the installer manually |
| 07:36.59 | rwhitby | ~facepalm |
| 07:37.00 | infobot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 07:37.06 | warren | haha |
| 07:37.38 | rwhitby | bbl (dinner) |
| 07:38.17 | warren | I suspect the Flash section ruined me |
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| 07:41.21 | joshua | creating closed source homebrew anything for the pre just seems wrong. |
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| 07:41.43 | joshua | the whole reason we can hack the damn thing is cause of how open palm left most of it. heh |
| 07:41.49 | warren | java.io.IOException: Parse error. Original RootFilesystem value was not found in Trenchcoat xml document. |
| 07:41.57 | warren | rwhitby: it isn't happy with Flash completely missing |
| 07:42.19 | warren | rwhitby: well, I'm able to novaterm in though, which is good |
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| 07:43.04 | tmzt | flash? |
| 07:43.07 | tmzt | why |
| 07:51.49 | warren | are any kernel cmdline options known to boot it without the Palm splash and to see debug info? |
| 07:53.38 | Jack87-wIRC | warren I wonder if you can get into the pre via linux access why not grab all the media files and doctor the thing |
| 07:54.22 | rwhitby | warren: we haven't got into kernel cmdline options at all actually |
| 07:54.23 | warren | Jack87-wIRC: I'm not worried about the media files, more worried about all the prefs that take forever to redo manually that are not restored from palm profile |
| 07:54.25 | Jack87-wIRC | is it possible to grab files through novacom? |
| 07:54.25 | tmzt | warren: look at the source |
| 07:54.31 | chrisa | warren: If you build your own kernel I'm sure you can have it be more verbose |
| 07:54.41 | Jack87-wIRC | warren: I see :) |
| 07:54.47 | chrisa | As for removing the splash, you can't get rid of it entirely via the kernel since it is initially put up by the bootloader |
| 07:55.02 | tmzt | chrisa: do you know if source for pixi has been released? |
| 07:55.07 | Jack87-wIRC | kind of feels useless now with all the effort put in now |
| 07:55.23 | chrisa | No, I don't keep an eye on that side of things really |
| 07:55.33 | chrisa | I'm sure it'll be out soon if it isn't |
| 07:55.50 | warren | Here's what I think it is happening, boot loader putting up the Palm splash, booting kernel, and kernel fails to mount the root filesystem and reboots |
| 07:56.00 | rwhitby | tmzt: an email to opensource@palm is often the trigger for a new upload to the web site ;-) |
| 07:56.06 | Jack87-wIRC | tmzt: probably as soon as they relase source for 1.3.1 |
| 07:56.37 | tmzt | I'm not expecting to be 2.6.24 based and all the patches seem go be to 2.6.24 |
| 07:56.45 | tmzt | rwhitby: I don't have one |
| 07:56.49 | chrisa | I have code in the pixi release so now I'm curious |
| 07:57.10 | chrisa | tmzt: pretty sure it's still 2.6.24, but I can't check right now |
| 07:57.13 | warren | chrisa: I kind of wedged myself into a unique situation, and nearly restored myself with a modified doctor image. I managed to boot the ram image with the goal to mount my rootfs and delete a file that was preventing it from booting. but I failed to stop it from wiping /boot. |
| 07:57.30 | tmzt | qualcomm has a new new gl interface for the 7x27 chips |
| 07:58.13 | warren | chrisa: I subsequently went back in via ram image and copied what seems to be the Sprint 1.3.1 /boot contents into /dev/mmcblk0p2, but it seems it still can't find the rootfs to mount, which suggests I'm still missing something that was blown away. |
| 07:58.46 | tmzt | but I'm actually more interested in something to support 6125 amss on the 76xx |
| 07:58.48 | warren | rwhitby: btw, are there any other files aside from the /boot in that tar? |
| 07:58.57 | rwhitby | warren: check the contents of the md5sums file in the doctor against the rootfs image |
| 07:59.04 | rwhitby | warren: nope. doctor had the complete set |
| 07:59.10 | tmzt | something in p1? |
| 07:59.29 | warren | rwhitby: which md5sums file? |
| 07:59.49 | warren | hmm |
| 07:59.58 | rwhitby | warren: meta-doctor/build/.../rootfs/ |
| 08:00.12 | rwhitby | it should exactly match a newly flashed Pre |
| 08:01.01 | rwhitby | that's what the final verification step uses - the meta-doctor has to update that file (and the md5sums in the ipkg database) for anything it touches |
| 08:02.11 | warren | rwhitby: does the pre refuse to boot if anything is not matching md5sums? |
| 08:02.52 | rwhitby | warren: no, the final verification step of the doctor fails, but you can novaterm in and tellbootie to reboot |
| 08:02.57 | rwhitby | it has no effect on a normal boot |
| 08:03.49 | rwhitby | I only meant it as a means to see if any files are missing |
| 08:03.49 | warren | ok, verifying |
| 08:03.51 | warren | I suppose md5sum -c will do? |
| 08:04.04 | chrisa | We don't verify sums on boot. Nothing evil or so ill intended as that |
| 08:04.07 | rwhitby | will probably get false positives |
| 08:04.34 | rwhitby | chrisa: yeah, from what I've seen, Palm uses md5sums for safety, not as a jail. |
| 08:04.41 | warren | chrisa: and that's incredibly cool |
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| 08:05.11 | rwhitby | warren: that's the key to the my stake in this - the attitude from Palm |
| 08:05.51 | warren | I wonder if Palm plans to have an official theming method later, so people don't need to dangerously overwrite stuff with themes |
| 08:06.03 | warren | themes can seriously hose up your phone right now |
| 08:06.13 | rwhitby | warren: we've been thinking about using unionfs or aufs to make that safer. |
| 08:06.19 | chrisa | I applied a theme on a dev build and then did an internal OTA |
| 08:06.22 | chrisa | That ended up interesting |
| 08:06.40 | warren | I figured out how to recover manually from that disaster |
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| 08:07.13 | warren | rwhitby: well, some themes actually replace the Palm logo from bootie |
| 08:07.23 | warren | rwhitby: can't aufs that |
| 08:07.29 | rwhitby | warren: yeah, true. |
| 08:07.38 | warren | and I can see Palm not wanting to support THAT |
| 08:08.46 | chrisa | Wait, some replace the bootloader's image? Are they modifying the binary blob? |
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| 08:09.14 | warren | chrisa: I think so |
| 08:09.16 | warren | chrisa: doesn't look very safe |
| 08:09.44 | warren | hmm |
| 08:09.48 | warren | my phone reboots during md5sum -c |
| 08:09.50 | tmzt | htc people did that |
| 08:10.05 | tmzt | for the themes |
| 08:10.10 | tmzt | xda I mean |
| 08:10.54 | tmzt | is it a fixed size? |
| 08:10.54 | warren | some of the themes that replace the boot logo have some really cool animations |
| 08:10.54 | chrisa | yes |
| 08:10.54 | warren | for the glowing part |
| 08:10.54 | rwhitby | warren: ah, accessing stuff in /dev can reboot the phone |
| 08:10.54 | chrisa | The glowing side is entirely linux |
| 08:10.54 | warren | rwhitby: ~facepalm |
| 08:11.01 | tmzt | reboot on panic |
| 08:11.03 | rwhitby | chrisa: I don't think they are replacing binary blob |
| 08:11.03 | tmzt | ? |
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| 08:11.05 | warren | facepalm really takes on a new meaning |
| 08:11.26 | tmzt | warren: what happened? |
| 08:11.27 | chrisa | He's not saying accessing dev in general reboots |
| 08:11.33 | chrisa | Odds are your kernel is not in a good state |
| 08:11.40 | warren | oh? |
| 08:11.48 | rwhitby | chrisa: there is some file in /dev which when read reboots the phone |
| 08:11.59 | warren | I *do* plan on doctoring this phone when I'm done |
| 08:12.06 | warren | but I want to see if I can figure out what the heck happened |
| 08:12.13 | warren | AFAIK it only blew away /boot and nothing else |
| 08:12.52 | warren | current symptom: Palm logo for a short while, then it fades to black and reboots |
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| 08:13.14 | warren | without seeing dmesg fly by, I can only guess it is failing to mount rootfs, panic and reboot |
| 08:13.23 | tmzt | chrisa: the question earlier is if was saving offsets to the uImage somewhere |
| 08:13.35 | chrisa | offsets for which? |
| 08:13.39 | tmzt | warren: try panic=0 |
| 08:13.42 | warren | tmzt: I doubt it, bootie can read ext2 filesystem |
| 08:13.48 | tmzt | for the kernel/initrd |
| 08:13.52 | rwhitby | I'm pretty sure bootie just reads it as a file from /boot |
| 08:13.57 | tmzt | that's what we though |
| 08:13.58 | chrisa | warren: if it fades away then luna should be completing it's load |
| 08:14.03 | chrisa | So something is likely happening around then |
| 08:14.14 | warren | chrisa: it isn't a fade... more like a bleed |
| 08:14.16 | tmzt | the kernel fades it not bootie? |
| 08:14.19 | warren | like hardware gave up |
| 08:14.32 | warren | chrisa: backlight went out for a second |
| 08:14.33 | tmzt | like a normal tft sync failure? |
| 08:14.35 | hckyplayer024 | how can I install the services for freetether and precorder? |
| 08:14.39 | chrisa | If you watch your phone closely on boot you'll see a point where the palm logo stutters a tiny bit |
| 08:14.42 | chrisa | Like there's a small gap |
| 08:14.45 | Rick_work | 0215 - off to bed having fixed the bug |
| 08:14.54 | tmzt | to white or black? |
| 08:14.55 | chrisa | That's when the bootloader stops displaying it and the kernel then lunasysmgr takes over |
| 08:15.04 | warren | ok |
| 08:15.08 | warren | to black |
| 08:15.18 | tmzt | so luna uses a compressed version? |
| 08:15.23 | warren | tmzt: panic=0 will just make it sit there? |
| 08:15.24 | chrisa | and when it fades to black is usually when the Luna interface expands out |
| 08:15.30 | tmzt | odd, white would be hardware |
| 08:15.36 | tmzt | warren:probably |
| 08:15.47 | tmzt | also try console=tty0 |
| 08:15.59 | tmzt | but it seems fbcon is missing |
| 08:16.24 | hckyplayer024 | anyone? |
| 08:16.34 | warren | oh here's a question, my Pre was replaced last week because sound stopped working entirely. My replacement Pre claims it isn't reconditioned in ##786#. But the edges of the screen are showing light leaking from the edges, which bothers me a bit. My old Pre didn't do that. |
| 08:16.34 | rwhitby | hckyplayer024: wosqi |
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| 08:16.54 | hckyplayer024 | where can I find the services? |
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| 08:17.03 | warren | I wonder if I really did get a reconditioned phone with screen reattached or something. |
| 08:17.48 | warren | top left corner worries me a bit, it looks like a crack under the surface in the corner |
| 08:17.55 | warren | I wonder if I should ask for another one |
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| 08:18.08 | preston | is the freetether alpha functional? or should i not even bother testing it? |
| 08:18.32 | box_ | lets do that |
| 08:18.37 | box_ | wheres this serviced |
| 08:19.41 | hckyplayer024 | box_ thats what im trying to figure out |
| 08:20.16 | hckyplayer024 | rwhitby: do you know where I can download the services that I need? |
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| 08:21.20 | preston | JayCanuck, do you take direct patch requests? i don't want to clutter the forums if it's a waste of time. |
| 08:21.34 | box_ | ive been reading what youve been begging |
| 08:21.57 | JayCanuck | preston: occationally I do, yep |
| 08:22.21 | preston | can i throw your way now and you can think about it? |
| 08:22.44 | rwhitby | preston: I find the best way is to say that there's no possible way that he could do such a patch ;-) |
| 08:22.53 | preston | lol |
| 08:22.58 | JayCanuck | what is the patch? |
| 08:23.06 | JayCanuck | lol, rod |
| 08:23.29 | warren | it seems that the 600MHz cpu scaling patch is way too dangerous to have in preware |
| 08:23.41 | warren | it might work for some people, but lots of complaints of bricking |
| 08:24.23 | rwhitby | warren: yeah, I agree it needs to be pulled |
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| 08:24.26 | preston | how about a patch that keeps wifi on when the screen turns off, and only goes back to evdo if it loses the current wifi signal? |
| 08:25.51 | tmzt | brick? hw? |
| 08:25.52 | hckyplayer024 | box_ wasn't aware that i was begging... sorry |
| 08:25.53 | tmzt | how |
| 08:25.55 | warren | rwhitby: I wonder if a simple patch could be devised that allows you to turn on novacomd in early boot if you are holding down a button, allowing you easy access to unbrick your rootfs |
| 08:26.16 | tmzt | how aerly? |
| 08:26.16 | warren | rwhitby: turn on novacomd and freeze boot so nothing else can happen |
| 08:26.29 | tmzt | from upstart? |
| 08:26.35 | warren | would have to be before other things like /etc/event.d/powersave-cpu-scaling runs |
| 08:26.49 | tmzt | from upstart? changing or boot progressing |
| 08:27.05 | grndslm | not like i need it... but just so i get this right... nobody has wifi tether working with 1.3.1? |
| 08:27.07 | grndslm | that's a bummer |
| 08:27.27 | warren | like.... after initrd hands off to rootfs, but before it runs anything dangerous in /etc/event.d |
| 08:27.59 | tmzt | wasn't adhoc removed from the lbs firmware? |
| 08:28.01 | warren | This would make it really easy to escape from most of cases where patches brick your phone |
| 08:28.09 | warren | brb shower |
| 08:28.55 | warren | have we found a simple way to read a button state from shell code? |
| 08:29.30 | warren | early event.d script: 1) read button state 2) if pressed during that stage of bootup run novacomd and stop bootup |
| 08:29.48 | warren | kind of like booting "single" on a normal linux system |
| 08:31.05 | preston | is it possible to allow my computer to bluetooth pair with my pre and automatically pull the files from the /media/internal? |
| 08:31.35 | grndslm | tmzt: lbs? |
| 08:33.10 | tmzt | libertas |
| 08:33.56 | tmzt | warren: if it's in sysfs maybe |
| 08:34.19 | tmzt | otherwise you would have to be able to get the state from somewhere |
| 08:34.28 | preston | JayCanuck, you should consider my patch since according to your twitter, we're almost neighbors. |
| 08:34.50 | acydlord | anyone tried using the same palm profile on multiple devices? |
| 08:35.05 | acydlord | simultaniously i might mention |
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| 08:36.32 | rwhitby | warren: if we just load the installer image from bootie using the mem command, then mount the lvm, then that should give us what we need, no? |
| 08:37.03 | rwhitby | acydlord: it logs out of one device and makes you reboot it |
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| 08:38.08 | acydlord | rwhitby, well thats a fail. guess I'll have to buy twee on the pixi when it comes in and see if palm will clone my current profile |
| 08:38.15 | tmzt | lvm is built in the kernel? |
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| 08:38.53 | tmzt | just needs to start vg probe from userspace? |
| 08:39.05 | tmzt | otherwise you need modules on the initrd |
| 08:39.38 | tmzt | if you do as nova does and start something on usbdevfs |
| 08:39.44 | tmzt | like a root shell :) |
| 08:40.02 | tmzt | you need to write descriptors as well I think |
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| 08:41.12 | tmzt | I wonder if anyone has tried writing a cdc-ether to tun proxy |
| 08:41.50 | tmzt | there's already one from synce that could be adapted to be client rather than host |
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| 08:43.15 | jauderho_ | rwhitby: ping |
| 08:43.22 | rwhitby | jauderho_: hi |
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| 08:43.31 | rwhitby | jauderho_: so, there is a proposal to remove some patches |
| 08:43.44 | jauderho_ | the cpu scaling patches? =) |
| 08:44.00 | rwhitby | jauderho_: warren can detail one at least |
| 08:44.17 | jauderho_ | i'm not against it. i was thinking about it too and just leaving it in the git repo. |
| 08:44.24 | jauderho_ | warren: details pls? |
| 08:44.31 | rwhitby | jauderho_: so which ones in particular shall we pull? |
| 08:45.23 | jauderho_ | rwhitby: I was going to ask if you had plans to include downloadm nums in the feeds. would be interesting to see which patches / apps are popular |
| 08:45.36 | jauderho_ | rwhitby: I would think maybe we should pull the 600mhz patches |
| 08:45.51 | rwhitby | jauderho_: both scaling and smartreflex? |
| 08:45.54 | jauderho_ | I think those are the ones with the most issues. and unfortunately people seem to want to use them the most. |
| 08:46.00 | jauderho_ | yeah. |
| 08:46.24 | jauderho_ | I say just have dbsooner pull them from the feeds or if you can, that's fine. and we'll just leave the patches in the git repo |
| 08:46.47 | warren | 600mhz smartreflex didn't crash for me |
| 08:46.48 | jauderho_ | I figure if someone has enough knowledge to dig around git, they should know what they are doing |
| 08:46.52 | warren | 600mhz cpu scaling really fucked me bad |
| 08:47.10 | jauderho_ | warren: it varies greatly for different people. |
| 08:47.18 | warren | i'm aware of this |
| 08:47.34 | warren | jauderho: but reading through various forums I don't see bricking complaints for 600mhz smartreflex, only scaling |
| 08:47.35 | jauderho_ | and the confusion it's created is just not worth it. |
| 08:47.53 | jauderho_ | i say we pull both. |
| 08:48.43 | warren | For safety reasons, I suppose that's a good idea. |
| 08:48.48 | jauderho_ | at some point, if someone wants to write a pre app/service to change the mhz, that's fine but pulling both probably makes sense for now. taking the toys away since people cant seem to read |
| 08:48.53 | warren | Palm probably had good reasons for not enabling either. |
| 08:48.55 | jauderho_ | the GIANT WARNING SIGNS |
| 08:49.21 | jauderho_ | I dont want to run afoul of palm either. |
| 08:49.35 | acydlord | so am I gonna be the first webs dev with their own bugzilla? |
| 08:50.08 | jauderho_ | acydlord: why make your own. make it a community bugzilla |
| 08:50.20 | warren | jauderho_: saw my idea above about a "single" mode? |
| 08:50.25 | acydlord | well i'm gonna be hosting it on my website |
| 08:50.30 | jauderho_ | no I just joined |
| 08:50.33 | jauderho_ | post it |
| 08:50.42 | acydlord | but i wouldnt mind allowing oter devs access |
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| 08:51.14 | warren | jauderho_: currently the Up button during boot stops boot at bootie. I suspect it might be easy to have a similar button you hold down during early userspace that tells upstart to run novacomd and stop normal boot. |
| 08:51.27 | warren | jauderho: this might allow folks to unbrick their phones from patches that prevent boot |
| 08:52.02 | jauderho_ | warren: sounds good. get on it =) |
| 08:52.23 | warren | jauderho_: only hard part: do we know how to detect button state from a shell script? |
| 08:52.34 | tmzt | there doesn't seem to be a way to read that state though |
| 08:52.39 | warren | mmm |
| 08:52.45 | jauderho_ | not that I know of. |
| 08:52.46 | acydlord | hmm |
| 08:53.06 | tmzt | what's the issue with the scaling? |
| 08:53.08 | jauderho_ | may be something palm would have to do. probably in the same place where they detect the up button |
| 08:53.21 | acydlord | i forget the command in linux to check the button code |
| 08:53.24 | tmzt | how does it break booting? |
| 08:53.46 | jauderho_ | if the phone can't support the speed, it crashes. |
| 08:53.47 | acydlord | which is sad cause i had to use the fsck out of it getting the aspire one buttons mapped at the kernel level |
| 08:53.49 | warren | next best method: Implement our own "single" mode in upstart scripts. Thus you simply boot from bootie with an additional kernel cmdline parameter and you go straight into novacomd. |
| 08:54.25 | jauderho_ | warren: keep in mind what you are suggesting is probably beyond most people. |
| 08:54.32 | acydlord | ugh, i have to be up and about by noon for a freenode community meeting |
| 08:54.43 | warren | jauderho_: that's true, but this is heck of a lot easier than the disaster I just went through. |
| 08:54.57 | acydlord | bootie and then doctoring? |
| 08:55.41 | warren | meta-doctor in an attempt to modify the doctor to boot in ram without reinstalling my phone, so I can mount my rootfs and delete the cpu scaling patch manually an reboot. |
| 08:55.50 | warren | except I failed to prevent doctor from wiping my /boot |
| 08:56.01 | warren | I restored /boot but something else is missing |
| 08:56.36 | warren | I suspect it wiped out something in nvram, whatever that is. |
| 08:59.05 | tmzt | kernel/initramfs looks workable |
| 08:59.22 | tmzt | I would suggest using devfs though not all of nova |
| 08:59.42 | tmzt | it's questionable if that's even redistributable |
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| 09:00.51 | warren | rwhitby: interesting, tons of files in rootfs are not matching its own md5sums file |
| 09:01.26 | rwhitby | warren: maybe it's not updated on an OTA update |
| 09:01.38 | rwhitby | and any patches we apply would make it differ |
| 09:01.39 | warren | oh |
| 09:01.58 | warren | well, /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcamsrc.so is one such file that doesn't match its own md5sums |
| 09:03.52 | warren | rwhitby: Either it did screw up my rootfs (I don't think it did according to the logs), or it screwed up the nvram, but I don't know what the nvram stuff is |
| 09:04.49 | rwhitby | warren: did you OTA update to 1.3.1 or doctor to get there? |
| 09:05.21 | warren | rwhitby: OTA from unmodified 1.2.1 when I got te replacement phone last week |
| 09:05.54 | warren | hmm, is bootie "go <parameters>" ... parameters can be kernel cmdline? |
| 09:06.03 | geist | no |
| 09:06.18 | geist | but the bootargs environment variable is |
| 09:07.10 | warren | ah |
| 09:07.37 | warren | geist: setenv sets it only for this one boot, or permanently? |
| 09:07.44 | geist | one boot |
| 09:07.53 | geist | saveenv is not in release builds |
| 09:08.05 | warren | thanks |
| 09:09.09 | warren | geist: is there any way to redirect kernel mesgs during boot to novacom? |
| 09:09.16 | geist | no |
| 09:09.19 | warren | darn |
| 09:10.08 | tmzt | very uboot like |
| 09:10.25 | geist | yep. i use uboot a lot for hobby hackery |
| 09:10.54 | warren | OK, panic=0 and it no longer is stuck in a reboot loop. I suspect it really isn't mounting the rootfs. |
| 09:10.59 | tmzt | I'm hoping to play with qi on msm hardware |
| 09:11.10 | tmzt | don't really like the uboot cmds much |
| 09:11.16 | rwhitby | warren: OTA explains the md5sums diffs |
| 09:11.17 | warren | Without any means of seeing the messages during boot I guess there isn't much more I can do. |
| 09:11.38 | tmzt | any cmdline options to reenable console? |
| 09:11.57 | rwhitby | geist: I'm pulling the 600MHz patches. And danger in the 500Mhz ones? |
| 09:12.08 | rwhitby | s/And/Any/ |
| 09:12.18 | geist | dunno |
| 09:12.35 | rwhitby | ok, thanks. |
| 09:13.04 | warren | wonders how long until the news hits precentral |
| 09:13.10 | geist | what news? |
| 09:13.27 | rwhitby | geist: that preware is pulling the 600Mhz patches |
| 09:13.29 | warren | <somebody> pulls 600mhz patches |
| 09:13.36 | geist | ... |
| 09:13.53 | geist | what does that even mean? |
| 09:13.59 | geist | pulling patches from where? to where? |
| 09:14.41 | warren | geist: it was a bad idea to put them into preware |
| 09:14.57 | warren | removing from preware |
| 09:15.14 | geist | oh. preware replaces the kernel? |
| 09:15.14 | warren | rwhitby: I'll see if I can implement the idea of a "single" mode |
| 09:15.40 | warren | geist: no, the "600mhz" patches add a /etc/event.d/ script that sets stuff during bootup that can cause phones to fail to boot |
| 09:15.55 | geist | ah yeah. not surprising |
| 09:16.08 | geist | there's kind of a reason we didn't clock it up to 600 |
| 09:16.18 | warren | geist: no kidding =) |
| 09:17.40 | warren | geist: I'm thinking to implement a "single user mode"-like thing where you boot the phone with either a cmdline option or (if there is a way to read the button state from shell scripts), it stops boot early in userspace and runs novacomd so you can easily unbrick your phone. Sadly the 600mhz patch isn't hte only thing that can screw the boot. I've seen THEMES screw the boot. |
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| 09:18.25 | warren | geist: Do you know of a way to read buttons from a shell script? |
| 09:18.54 | geist | what kind of buttons? |
| 09:19.09 | geist | keyboard or the 'external' buttons? |
| 09:19.28 | warren | geist: what do you mean by 'external'? |
| 09:19.37 | rwhitby | vol-up, etc |
| 09:19.39 | geist | vol+, vol-, core navi |
| 09:19.48 | geist | those come in as gpios, and are handled by a different driver |
| 09:20.04 | geist | though they get pushed into input events with the same mechanism as the keyboard |
| 09:20.07 | rwhitby | warren: kernel patches are on opensource.palm.com |
| 09:20.10 | warren | geist: idea: Hold down <some button> button during phone boot, early userspace sees you are holding it down, stops boot and runs novacomd. |
| 09:20.32 | geist | could read from the input queue |
| 09:20.37 | geist | that's generic linux stuff |
| 09:20.42 | warren | ah |
| 09:20.44 | warren | hmm |
| 09:20.52 | geist | but you'd have to do it before hidd starts, hidd grabs ahold of it |
| 09:21.04 | warren | hidd is udev? |
| 09:21.11 | tmzt | with upstart should be possible |
| 09:21.13 | warren | (does the phone use udev?) |
| 09:21.15 | tmzt | warren: no |
| 09:21.19 | geist | no, hidd is a palm specific app. it deals with all the input events |
| 09:21.22 | warren | oh |
| 09:21.25 | tmzt | hidd is userspace input muxer |
| 09:21.27 | geist | and yes it uses udev |
| 09:21.36 | warren | ok, this sounds possible then. |
| 09:22.01 | tmzt | if you can read from the input dev queue for the button you want |
| 09:22.13 | tmzt | that should flush it before luna starts |
| 09:22.25 | geist | yeah, dont see why that wouldn't work |
| 09:22.31 | tmzt | is hidd started by upstart or luna? |
| 09:22.35 | geist | upstart |
| 09:22.39 | geist | everything is started by upstart |
| 09:22.45 | tmzt | so patch the event |
| 09:22.56 | geist | so if you put your thing before hidd starts you can do your decision there |
| 09:22.57 | tmzt | not to start until the inputchecker exits |
| 09:23.02 | warren | Themes and other Preware patches are doing some pretty dangerous things, this kind of safety feature would make it a lot less dangerous. |
| 09:23.16 | tmzt | so would union |
| 09:23.36 | tmzt | but it might slow things down |
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| 09:23.41 | warren | union seems like a bad idea to me |
| 09:23.52 | warren | trying to solve the wrong problem as well |
| 09:25.43 | grndslm | poppy cock... smartreflex 600 mhz didn't need to be removed |
| 09:25.49 | grndslm | runs great |
| 09:26.02 | grndslm | tho... anybody can edit the /etc/event.d/ file if needed, i guess |
| 09:26.12 | warren | better to be safe than sorry |
| 09:26.39 | grndslm | i think there was tons of safe warning in the descriptions and on the forums |
| 09:26.49 | grndslm | people knew what they were getting into |
| 09:27.25 | grndslm | i'd still like to hear this reason that smartreflex is not utilized in stock firmware |
| 09:27.34 | grndslm | ... if anybody'd like to explain that to me... |
| 09:27.41 | warren | well, nothing stops you from editing the event.d file |
| 09:28.03 | grndslm | right |
| 09:28.14 | grndslm | but why didn't palm use smartreflex 500 MHz, even? |
| 09:28.38 | grndslm | what do they have against "voltage scaling"? |
| 09:29.03 | warren | grndslm: I'm just guessing here, but I suspect it isn't 100% stable |
| 09:29.58 | grndslm | even the 500 MHz? |
| 09:30.04 | grndslm | no way |
| 09:30.48 | warren | doctoring phone, it seems I can't fix this |
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| 09:42.11 | warren | rwhitby: hmm, implementing "single" mode from cmdline only (not button) would be a simple matter of a single event.d script |
| 09:42.28 | warren | rwhitby: I'm not entirely sure how to read buttons, but button reading could be added to that script later I suspect. |
| 09:44.29 | jauderho_ | rwhitby: btw not sure if you know this but IE6 does not support TLS SNI afaik |
| 09:47.34 | warren | sleep |
| 09:48.03 | warren | thanks everyone (especially rwhitby). I learned a lot and I hope to help soon. |
| 09:48.25 | rwhitby | warren: thanks for dropping by |
| 09:48.44 | rwhitby | warren: we'll welcome the expertise |
| 09:52.57 | jauderho_ | yup |
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| 10:06.54 | tmzt | SNI? |
| 10:11.52 | jauderho_ | multiple SSL with one IP |
| 10:12.03 | jauderho_ | the holy grail of SSL |
| 10:12.37 | jauderho_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication |
| 10:13.17 | jauderho_ | been fighting with it tonight for a client. but opting to fall back to the old way of one IP per SSL. |
| 10:16.58 | tmzt | ah |
| 10:17.05 | tmzt | Host: |
| 10:22.53 | grndslm | oh hey... forgot to ask this... a few days ago, i found these two random files on my computer "TowersTKA82UHP29K097298.csv" && "TransmittersCJT3678GY7KJ22.csv" and i'm wondering how in the heck they got on my computer |
| 10:23.04 | grndslm | anybody have an answer for that? |
| 10:23.34 | grndslm | tells me every tower that my phone's hit off of... it's pretty nuts... and i just have no clue how it magically uploaded itself to my computer |
| 10:23.35 | grndslm | very strange |
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| 11:01.56 | jauderho_ | grndslm: nope. never seen that b4 |
| 11:02.19 | grndslm | yea, i think i musta downloaded that from some site |
| 11:02.45 | grndslm | i don't think it's actually every tower i've hit off of, but just a list of towers in my area |
| 11:03.29 | grndslm | jauderho_: are you running the smartreflex 600? |
| 11:07.58 | jauderho_ | no |
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| 11:26.29 | grndslm | jauderho_: any particular reason? seems to be running great for me. i was getting ~0.35% drain/hour with all radios off. |
| 11:26.59 | jauderho_ | no. i'm using clipcarl's cet-cpuspeed program |
| 11:27.04 | grndslm | i'll probly settle with 550, but i'm wondering why people wouldn't even want to run SR 500 |
| 11:27.10 | grndslm | hmm... i saw that earlier |
| 11:27.31 | jauderho_ | works for me and I never got around to going back to either cpu-scaling or smartreflex |
| 11:28.07 | grndslm | yea, i think i'm gonna skip scaling |
| 11:28.16 | grndslm | but isn't clipcarl's method similar to freq scaling? |
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| 11:35.17 | jauderho_ | not quite. his method is on one speed off one speed |
| 11:35.29 | jauderho_ | cpu-scaling does change the freq dynamically |
| 11:43.55 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 12:11.06 | mobgod | hmmmm |
| 12:14.15 | en0x | good morning vietnam! |
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| 12:18.48 | freakout | rwhitby: i know you said bbt, but are you still hiding? |
| 12:22.32 | en0x | bbt? be back tomorrow? |
| 12:22.51 | mobgod | morning boston |
| 12:22.57 | en0x | yo yankee! |
| 12:22.58 | en0x | :) |
| 12:23.18 | mobgod | bbs need coffee |
| 12:23.26 | en0x | i just finished mine |
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| 12:26.16 | DrFunk | en0x: did you catch the cast last night ? |
| 12:27.29 | en0x | what cast? |
| 12:27.49 | DrFunk | the palm one |
| 12:27.53 | en0x | nope |
| 12:28.26 | en0x | i was busy drinking |
| 12:28.27 | en0x | :P |
| 12:29.06 | DrFunk | real nice |
| 12:29.29 | en0x | dBsooner, the add roam control to prefs patch is not working on my pre 1.3.1 it installs fine but it doesnt show in prefs... |
| 12:29.30 | DrFunk | don't tell me you drink bud |
| 12:29.44 | en0x | DrFunk, shots of vodka |
| 12:30.12 | DrFunk | nice dude how you feel today ? |
| 12:30.41 | en0x | i'm an old alcoholic |
| 12:30.43 | en0x | so no hangover |
| 12:30.44 | en0x | :) |
| 12:31.28 | DrFunk | haha |
| 12:45.40 | jbjoerk | hm, what is the recommended way to bypass the palm profile creation? |
| 12:50.14 | grndslm | jbjoerk: meta-doctor |
| 12:51.06 | jbjoerk | grndslm: k. fuckit, just went through it anyway and just have to live with the little bit of datatraffic (was going to take my operator 24hrs to activate unlimited data *sigh*) |
| 12:51.14 | jbjoerk | thanks btw :D |
| 12:51.30 | grndslm | np |
| 12:51.57 | jbjoerk | 2.5$/Mb + pre is not great combo :D |
| 12:53.26 | en0x | lol |
| 12:53.36 | en0x | thats why unlimited data plan rocks |
| 12:53.36 | en0x | ;) |
| 12:53.43 | en0x | i wonder how many gb i did this month |
| 12:53.46 | en0x | gotta check on sprint |
| 12:54.56 | en0x | 333569Kb |
| 12:55.03 | en0x | 300MB |
| 12:55.06 | en0x | :( |
| 12:55.38 | jbjoerk | <- has been without a pre for 6 mo |
| 12:56.34 | en0x | i cant live without it |
| 12:56.35 | en0x | :( |
| 12:57.46 | jbjoerk | brb |
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| 13:25.41 | jettero | what do you do for a usb network driver in windows? |
| 13:25.56 | jettero | I frequently ssh to my pre on the usb cable from linux (built in); but windows hates me |
| 13:32.31 | jettero | oh, it's on the wiki |
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| 16:04.45 | a2ny|work | ~seen rwhitby |
| 16:04.48 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (12h 43m 30s) #oe (12h 43m 30s) #nslu2-linux (12h 43m 30s). Has said a total of 177 messages. Is idling for 6h 16m 4s, last said: 'warren: we'll welcome the expertise'. |
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| 16:24.21 | a2ny|work | classic comes installed on a stock pre ??? |
| 16:24.27 | sampson | PuffTheMagic: freetether works great! |
| 16:24.28 | Marajin | a2ny|work: whut? |
| 16:24.40 | Marajin | a2ny|work: Never have I heard such wild claims! |
| 16:24.42 | sampson | freetether+nodoze=party in my pants |
| 16:24.46 | thebitguru | sampson: that's already released? :) |
| 16:24.47 | PuffTheMagic | sampson: thanks....too bad wifi is more jacked up than i thought |
| 16:24.50 | Marajin | a2ny|work: although it'd be a smart move by palm |
| 16:24.56 | a2ny|work | ipkg list_installed | grep com.motionapps |
| 16:24.56 | sampson | thebitguru: there's an alpha |
| 16:25.06 | thebitguru | ooh, where can I get it? :) |
| 16:25.08 | sampson | just so you know though when it goes to sleep the connection drops i had to use nodoze to fix that PuffTheMagic |
| 16:25.09 | PuffTheMagic | thebitguru: is usb only right now |
| 16:25.20 | thebitguru | oh |
| 16:25.29 | PuffTheMagic | sampson: yeah i was gonna add something to turn off the sleep |
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| 16:25.58 | thebitguru | PuffTheMagic: where can I get the alpha? |
| 16:26.03 | sampson | gonna get bluetooth working? |
| 16:26.16 | PuffTheMagic | thebitguru: palm actually changed the wifi driver so I am gonna have to e-mail the opensource people there cause they are not gonna get away with distributing more GPL stuff with no code |
| 16:26.40 | PuffTheMagic | the sd8xxx and wlanconfig tool are straight from marvel's website |
| 16:26.44 | PuffTheMagic | and its all GPL |
| 16:26.50 | PuffTheMagic | thebitguru: testing feed |
| 16:27.09 | a2ny|work | http://webos.pastebin.com/me8eb7dc |
| 16:27.20 | Marajin | a2ny|work: must I? It's effort.. I have to walk all the way over there and grab my pre from the touchstone.. |
| 16:27.38 | a2ny|work | Marajin: I got pastebin for ya ;) |
| 16:27.59 | Marajin | a2ny|work: huh, old version of classic though |
| 16:28.05 | a2ny|work | service is already installed |
| 16:28.08 | sampson | too bad classic blows ass |
| 16:28.20 | a2ny|work | that's why.... |
| 16:28.29 | a2ny|work | ipkg remove com.motionapps.* |
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| 16:29.15 | sampson | sweet i can send sms and it still works |
| 16:29.33 | sampson | boarding time toodles |
| 16:30.29 | Marajin | a2ny|work: well, yeah it's shown on the 1.3.1 eu rom too |
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| 16:33.32 | Marajin | a2ny|work: I wonder if they'll ever release classic in the EU/UK |
| 16:38.19 | a2ny|work | unsure |
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| 16:42.37 | xaiki | hey, are they any precentral people here ? |
| 16:42.45 | xaiki | maybe it's time to get a bit of news coverage for this: |
| 16:42.47 | xaiki | http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=palmservices&thread.id=842 |
| 16:43.08 | xaiki | basically, if you got a GSM pre and don't use it in the country you bought it, you get no access to the app catalogue. |
| 16:43.39 | xaiki | i.e. me, GSM pre bought in Germany, used in France, with language in spanish/argentina, -> no app catalogue access. =( |
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| 16:46.07 | cryptk-afk | does anyone know of any issues currently with any patches or maybe preware causing me to not be able to install apps from the app catalog? |
| 16:46.40 | cryptk-afk | I can get to the app catalog, I can see the app... when i click to install it, it will download, then display "tap to launch" for a split second, then change to "Download again for free" |
| 16:48.42 | a2ny|work | cryptk: 30sec to suspend fyi |
| 16:48.54 | cryptk | is that how long it takes? |
| 16:48.55 | a2ny|work | the only app cat patch is the number of downlaods |
| 16:49.19 | a2ny|work | yes, and prepared time is 5000ms/5sec |
| 16:49.32 | a2ny|work | this is the powerd config |
| 16:49.43 | a2ny|work | cat /var/preferences/com.palm.power/powerd.conf |
| 16:50.00 | cryptk | well, I just uninstalled preware, package manager and the number of downloads patch and now I can install apps from catalog... |
| 16:50.18 | cryptk | lets see if I can find which one is causing the problem... start with preware and package manager |
| 16:50.59 | cryptk | oh, and I uninstalled the unthrottle downoads patch also... |
| 16:51.58 | a2ny|work | preware uses... ipkg -o /var |
| 16:52.30 | cryptk | yes, but it has the option for the "partial fix app install limit" |
| 16:52.40 | cryptk | I am wondering if that may cause the problem... I am testing now though |
| 16:52.58 | cryptk | it has to be one of the 4 things I jsut uninstalled cause the problem went away |
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| 16:53.41 | a2ny|work | df -h /dev/mapper/store-var |
| 16:54.19 | cryptk | just installed package manager and preware and the problem is back |
| 16:54.34 | cryptk | gonna turn off the partial app limit fix |
| 16:54.51 | a2ny|work | cryptk: that will tell you how much space is on var |
| 16:55.31 | cryptk | 171.3M available |
| 16:55.39 | cryptk | it isn't telling me I am at the limit |
| 16:55.53 | cryptk | I am thinking prewares app limit fix may be making it so I can't install anything... |
| 16:56.34 | a2ny|work | yeah, I was just wondering the size, how much do you have in use ? |
| 16:56.55 | cryptk | 76.7M |
| 16:57.04 | cryptk | for a total size of 248M |
| 16:57.57 | cryptk | disabled prewares app limit fix and now the app store is saying I am out of space... maybe the app limit fix needs a restart when you turn it on and off |
| 16:58.00 | cryptk | rebooting phone now |
| 16:59.04 | cryptk | doing a full reboot, not just a luna restart |
| 17:00.20 | cryptk | weird... it still says I am out of space... |
| 17:01.09 | a2ny|work | meta-doc time :D |
| 17:01.19 | cryptk | and it still says I have 171M free... |
| 17:01.33 | a2ny|work | 2.0G 91.6M 1.9G 5% /var |
| 17:01.38 | cryptk | what is meta-doc... I have heard the term, never looked into it |
| 17:02.17 | cryptk | it says there is 171M free, the app is onle 3475K... |
| 17:02.25 | cryptk | s/onle/only/ |
| 17:02.37 | a2ny|work | rwhitby's creation, uses a makefile, can alter... first-use, /var size, dev mode on |
| 17:02.57 | cryptk | the problem isn't with the /var size though |
| 17:03.09 | cryptk | when I uninstall preware and package manager thigns install fine |
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| 17:03.38 | cryptk | s/thigns/things |
| 17:03.41 | cryptk | argh... |
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| 17:04.22 | cryptk | ~seen oil |
| 17:04.24 | infobot | oil is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 16h 8m, last said: 'idk, puff made a battery thing'. |
| 17:04.55 | PreSolutions | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/nintendo just caused a luna restart on my pre. |
| 17:05.08 | cryptk | puch |
| 17:05.15 | cryptk | s/puch/ouch/ |
| 17:05.40 | a2ny|work | cryptk: good read, http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-app-install-limits.html |
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| 17:06.11 | cryptk | a2ny|work: the problem isn't the app limit, I am not at the app limit |
| 17:06.11 | PreSolutions | browser fail...usually it is youtube that causes restarts |
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| 17:07.51 | a2ny|work | cryptk: with preware installed |
| 17:08.00 | a2ny|work | what do you get when you run ipkg list_installed |
| 17:08.20 | a2ny|work | ipkg -o /var list_installed |
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| 17:08.32 | a2ny|work | both of those^ |
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| 17:12.10 | cryptk | ipkg list_installed http://webos.pastebin.com/m79428390 |
| 17:12.55 | cryptk | ipkg -o /var list_installed http://webos.pastebin.com/m57138c15 |
| 17:13.08 | cryptk | a2ny|work, pastebins^^ |
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| 17:15.29 | dBsooner | jauderho: you here? |
| 17:18.51 | a2ny|work | du -s /var/usr/palm/applications/* |
| 17:19.07 | a2ny|work | what's the total from the first col |
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| 17:20.46 | egaudet_work | oooh lots of patches installed :p |
| 17:21.08 | dBsooner | ? |
| 17:21.29 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: why did rwhitby bump the version number of a couple patches just to change the icon? |
| 17:21.37 | a2ny|work | egaudet_work: lol |
| 17:21.39 | dBsooner | couldn't he have just bumped the META_SUB_VERSION? |
| 17:22.08 | egaudet_work | I don't know? |
| 17:22.43 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Bumping META_SUBVERSION will make th epackage rebuild, but use the existing VERSION of the modification |
| 17:23.05 | dBsooner | which is what needed to be done I am assuming, as there were no changes to thsoe patches in the modifications repo |
| 17:23.49 | dBsooner | Unless he wanted the users who had it installed to see an "update" with the new icon.. Just bumping META_SUB_VERSION won't cause installed to see it. |
| 17:24.17 | dBsooner | Man I smell like bitter sour sewer.. I hate it when I have breakfast for dinner. :( |
| 17:24.26 | egaudet_work | all the 600MHZ have been pulled? |
| 17:24.42 | egaudet_work | dBsooner, lclark updated some stuff |
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| 17:25.06 | dBsooner | lclark isn't the maintaqiner of the patches rwhitby messed with |
| 17:25.07 | egaudet_work | dBsooner, I know what META version stuff does, I created it |
| 17:25.15 | egaudet_work | s/created/added/ |
| 17:25.32 | dBsooner | I understand.. I was just trying to figure out why he did it |
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| 17:25.40 | dBsooner | he also bumped the version of the pulled stuff to 1.3.1-99 |
| 17:25.52 | egaudet_work | you'd have to ask him |
| 17:25.55 | dBsooner | Yeah |
| 17:25.56 | preston_wirc | webos-internals.org always crashes my pre's browser. anyone from there know why? |
| 17:25.59 | dBsooner | I thought you might know |
| 17:26.01 | egaudet_work | he probably bumped the version to include lclark's changes... |
| 17:26.22 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: No |
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| 17:26.29 | cryptk | DAMN YOU TIME WARNER!!! |
| 17:26.39 | cryptk | my internet has been going out non stop for the last 3 days... |
| 17:26.40 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: He put the version # in the Dangerous-* patches |
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| 17:27.05 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: he eidn't use the new version in any of lclark's changes |
| 17:27.07 | egaudet_work | dBsooner, i was talking about bumping the version yous aid only icon changed, I am pointing out lclark modified some patches in gitorious |
| 17:27.16 | dBsooner | I know, I see that. |
| 17:27.37 | dBsooner | and he modify the build files for lclark's cahnges |
| 17:27.52 | dBsooner | he bumped the version # to -19 and put that into the dangerous-* build files only. |
| 17:28.03 | cryptk | a2ny|work, you still there? |
| 17:28.18 | egaudet_work | dBsooner I don't know what youa re saying |
| 17:28.24 | cryptk | it is definitely something with preware/package manager causing the problem |
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| 17:28.32 | dBsooner | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=commit;h=2b72f015a160ae0ae2b26e3d643ae8cd6f3eb3a0 |
| 17:28.35 | cryptk | just uninstalled them again and now apps install fine |
| 17:29.02 | dBsooner | in autopatch/dangerous-*-500Mhz/Makefile iswhere he put the -19 tag |
| 17:29.14 | dBsooner | he didn't use the -19 for lclark's changes |
| 17:29.32 | egaudet_work | I'm guessing since these patches are dangerous, he wanted all users to be visually aware of this |
| 17:29.36 | a2ny|work | cryptk: yeah |
| 17:29.45 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: right, but I had already made them aware. |
| 17:29.53 | egaudet_work | I'm glad the 600 ones are out though, didn't think they ever should have been in |
| 17:29.55 | dBsooner | when I moved them to dangerous and added the warnings |
| 17:30.09 | cryptk | so... I have plenty of space in the /var... preware/package manager installed I can't install apps, uninstall them and I can |
| 17:30.20 | a2ny|work | did you do... |
| 17:30.21 | dBsooner | OK, I thought you were here when he did it.. that's why I asked. |
| 17:30.29 | a2ny|work | du -s /var/usr/palm/applications/* |
| 17:30.29 | egaudet_work | dBsooner, you made most people aware. But there's still a big chunk that do not read warnings lol |
| 17:30.42 | egaudet_work | I wasn't around yesterday |
| 17:30.50 | dBsooner | Yeah, this was early this morning our time |
| 17:30.52 | dBsooner | like 3am |
| 17:30.53 | cryptk | if they are installed and the app limit fix is set to yes, it downloads but doesn't install (that is what it seems like). if it is set to no, it refuses to d/l because of app limit, even though I am nowhere close |
| 17:31.05 | dBsooner | is off till Monday. :D |
| 17:31.07 | cryptk | lemme try that cmd now |
| 17:31.18 | dBsooner | cryptk: open preware |
| 17:31.23 | cryptk | ok |
| 17:31.25 | dBsooner | cryptk: what version do you have installed? |
| 17:31.29 | dBsooner | should say right at the top. |
| 17:31.40 | cryptk | right now it isn't installed |
| 17:31.47 | cryptk | but it was the most recent version from the feed |
| 17:31.55 | egaudet_work | how much avail space in var? |
| 17:31.56 | dBsooner | so you uninstalled it? |
| 17:31.56 | egaudet_work | df -h |
| 17:31.59 | cryptk | I have uninstalled and reinstalled it a few times working on this |
| 17:32.07 | dBsooner | you need to check /var with df -h |
| 17:32.16 | a2ny|work | I had him |
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| 17:32.38 | a2ny|work | (8:54:13 AM) cryptk: 171.3M available |
| 17:32.45 | dBsooner | a2ny|work: I know. But if he has the newest ipkg servce installed, it eliminates that |
| 17:32.50 | cryptk | a2ny|work du -s /var/usr/palm/applications/* > http://webos.pastebin.com/m6d9346d1 |
| 17:33.27 | cryptk | the /var has 171M free |
| 17:33.39 | dBsooner | how much does it have used? |
| 17:33.51 | dBsooner | df -h gives you that |
| 17:34.00 | cryptk | 78.3M |
| 17:34.03 | dBsooner | that's why |
| 17:34.10 | dBsooner | you can't have more than 64MB installed |
| 17:34.14 | cryptk | ahh |
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| 17:34.16 | dBsooner | you need to install lateset preware and ipkg service |
| 17:34.24 | dBsooner | and enable the "app limit fix" |
| 17:34.25 | cryptk | so then why can I install apps right now |
| 17:34.32 | cryptk | that is the problem |
| 17:34.37 | dBsooner | Because you have more than 64mb installed |
| 17:34.43 | cryptk | right now, no preware no package manager I can install apps fine |
| 17:34.43 | dBsooner | app cat will not let you install more |
| 17:34.56 | cryptk | when i install preware, even with the app limit fix, I cannot install them |
| 17:35.05 | cryptk | the app cat DOES let me install more |
| 17:35.11 | dBsooner | how? |
| 17:35.11 | cryptk | right now, I jsut isntalled one |
| 17:35.25 | cryptk | I click on it... then tap the download button, lol |
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| 17:35.36 | egaudet_work | ls /var/usr/bin/ipkg |
| 17:35.43 | dBsooner | yeah.. do that. :) |
| 17:35.52 | dBsooner | if that's there, then thats how |
| 17:35.56 | cryptk | no such directory |
| 17:36.13 | cryptk | preware is not currently installed if that makes a diff |
| 17:36.21 | dBsooner | nope |
| 17:36.32 | dBsooner | but its odd that app cat is letting you install more than 64mb |
| 17:36.40 | cryptk | now it isn't... |
| 17:36.42 | cryptk | weird |
| 17:36.51 | dBsooner | "Not enough room"? |
| 17:37.14 | cryptk | yeah... |
| 17:37.18 | dBsooner | install ipkg service |
| 17:37.26 | cryptk | I jsut uninstalled an app, now I am at 75.9M free |
| 17:37.29 | cryptk | err used |
| 17:37.31 | egaudet_work | what does the partial app limit fix do? I thought it installed /var/usr/bin/ipkg? |
| 17:37.43 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: it does |
| 17:37.48 | egaudet_work | I don't have it |
| 17:37.52 | egaudet_work | but mine in preferences set to yes |
| 17:37.52 | dBsooner | is it disabled? |
| 17:37.59 | cryptk | now with me at 75.9M used I am installing an app |
| 17:38.11 | cryptk | but after this one it says app limit |
| 17:38.19 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: i sent a bitch-o-gram to palm opensource e-mail |
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| 17:38.47 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic about what the app limit? |
| 17:38.53 | cryptk | reinstalling preware and package manager |
| 17:38.55 | a2ny|work | dBsooner: mvapp may work for him ? |
| 17:39.08 | dBsooner | a2ny|work: nah.. the package manager will fix it |
| 17:39.22 | cryptk | ok, just installed preware and package manager |
| 17:39.28 | dBsooner | what versions? |
| 17:39.30 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: so bout the sd8xxx drivers.... they are definately GPL and directly (an maybe slighly modified) from Marvel |
| 17:39.39 | PuffTheMagic | s/so bout/no about/ |
| 17:39.41 | cryptk | it is starting up |
| 17:40.09 | cryptk | 0.9.12 |
| 17:40.25 | cryptk | now I have partial app limit fix set to yes |
| 17:40.26 | dBsooner | ok.. ipkg service? |
| 17:40.45 | cryptk | you mean the package manager service preware uses? |
| 17:40.51 | dBsooner | yes |
| 17:40.55 | dBsooner | what version # is installed? |
| 17:41.08 | cryptk | 0.9.21 |
| 17:41.39 | dBsooner | now do "ls /var/usr/bin/ipkg" |
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| 17:41.57 | cryptk | no such directory |
| 17:42.02 | a2ny|work | ls /var/usr/bin/ipkg |
| 17:42.19 | dBsooner | hmm, mines not there either. |
| 17:42.23 | a2ny|work | copypasta error =\ |
| 17:42.26 | a2ny|work | mine neither |
| 17:42.37 | cryptk | under /var/usr/bin I have 3 files |
| 17:42.53 | cryptk | diffstat, patch and us.ryanhope,wircd |
| 17:43.09 | cryptk | s/us.ryanhope,wircd/us.ryanhope.wircd/ |
| 17:43.22 | dBsooner | i think it's broke.. |
| 17:43.38 | dBsooner | I don't think setting it to "yes" does anything |
| 17:43.43 | cryptk | haha |
| 17:43.47 | egaudet_work | ls /usr/local/bin |
| 17:43.51 | dBsooner | because my ipkg is still in /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg |
| 17:43.53 | cryptk | so that is the problem... |
| 17:44.19 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic, what is /usr/local/bin/wifi-mgf-labtool |
| 17:44.20 | dBsooner | ahh that's wher eit is |
| 17:44.22 | egaudet_work | mfg* |
| 17:44.27 | cryptk | egauget_wory it returns "ipkg wifi-mfg-labtool" |
| 17:44.29 | dBsooner | . /usr/local/bin |
| 17:44.36 | dBsooner | cryptk: ls /usr/local/bin/ipkg |
| 17:44.40 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: on the pre? |
| 17:44.41 | egaudet_work | cryptk that ipkg there is the wrapper I think |
| 17:44.46 | egaudet_work | yea PuffTheMagic |
| 17:44.57 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: it is |
| 17:45.04 | cryptk | it is there |
| 17:45.21 | dBsooner | dbeames@palm-webos-device:/$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg |
| 17:45.21 | dBsooner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 68 Nov 23 15:09 /usr/local/bin/ipkg -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg |
| 17:45.22 | egaudet_work | cryptk, that's why you can install apps |
| 17:45.30 | dBsooner | now install from AC |
| 17:45.39 | cryptk | it is a link to /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg |
| 17:45.48 | cryptk | tried, they download but don't install |
| 17:45.51 | dBsooner | cryptk: Yeah, I just said that.. that is why you can install |
| 17:45.57 | dBsooner | what's the error? |
| 17:46.03 | cryptk | doesn't give one |
| 17:46.06 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: a diag tool for the wifi chip it seems |
| 17:46.13 | cryptk | it downloads, doesn't install though |
| 17:46.22 | cryptk | the button briefly changes to "tap to launch" |
| 17:46.26 | dBsooner | so it scrolls across the download and just stops? |
| 17:46.31 | cryptk | then it go's to "Download again for free" |
| 17:46.34 | dBsooner | doesn't say "download again for free"? |
| 17:46.45 | cryptk | it does say it |
| 17:46.59 | cryptk | and the app is nowhere to be found in my launcher |
| 17:47.03 | dBsooner | That's going to be something rwhitby will want to troubleshoot |
| 17:47.24 | egaudet_work | you do have ipkgservice installed right now ? |
| 17:47.42 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: yes.. that's how the link is there |
| 17:47.53 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: and he just told us the version he had installed. |
| 17:47.58 | egaudet_work | Well he said earlier that he removed it and could install |
| 17:48.09 | dBsooner | -11:40:50- (cryptk) 0.9.21 |
| 17:48.12 | cryptk | when I remove it, I can install one more app, then app limit |
| 17:48.25 | cryptk | when i install it I can't install anything |
| 17:48.35 | cryptk | it downloads but doesn't install |
| 17:48.45 | egaudet_work | well IT would be your one more app :P |
| 17:48.54 | a2ny|work | lol |
| 17:49.47 | cryptk | yes, but doesn't preware fix the app limit |
| 17:49.50 | cryptk | or it is supposed to |
| 17:50.01 | dBsooner | no, the PMS fixes it |
| 17:50.04 | dBsooner | or is supposed to |
| 17:50.14 | dBsooner | Preware just gives you the ability to turn it off and on |
| 17:50.48 | cryptk | you know what I meant |
| 17:50.56 | dBsooner | Yeah, i was just clarifying. |
| 17:51.04 | cryptk | but it seems like the PMS is NOT fixing it, at least in my case |
| 17:51.12 | dBsooner | don't want oil gettin upset. |
| 17:51.29 | dBsooner | cryptk: yes, it seems that way.. that is why I said this is something rwhitby is going to want to troubleshoot. |
| 17:51.36 | cryptk | yeah |
| 17:51.46 | cryptk | ~seen rwhitby |
| 17:51.49 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (14h 30m 31s) #oe (14h 30m 31s) #nslu2-linux (14h 30m 31s). Has said a total of 177 messages. Is idling for 8h 3m 5s, last said: 'warren: we'll welcome the expertise'. |
| 17:51.50 | dBsooner | he's sleeping |
| 17:51.58 | cryptk | ahh |
| 17:52.03 | dBsooner | he usually comes around during his breakfast.. |
| 17:52.12 | dBsooner | which is in about 2 or 3 hours |
| 17:52.55 | dBsooner | he'll read the logs when he gets here.. and since we have said his name a couple times, he will notice and and say something. :D |
| 17:53.07 | dBsooner | So, if you don't mind, hang out for him. It would be a big help. |
| 17:53.23 | cryptk | np |
| 17:53.57 | dBsooner | just for giggles though, reboot your phone. |
| 17:54.32 | cryptk | ok |
| 17:54.39 | a2ny|work | shutdown -r 0 |
| 17:55.00 | dBsooner | hehe.. I always do "now" |
| 17:55.00 | cryptk | I got that much, lol |
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| 17:55.06 | cryptk | I do use linux as my main OS |
| 17:55.16 | cryptk | I just do reboot |
| 17:55.25 | thebitguru | Why am I getting a weird style on this one entry menu? |
| 17:55.34 | dBsooner | just cuz I like seeing "system is going down for reboot NOW" |
| 17:55.34 | cryptk | type in reboot as root and... well.. it reboots |
| 17:55.38 | thebitguru | Sorry, didn't realize the clipboard was empty. here is the link http://www.pastethat.com/PUf2l |
| 17:55.52 | cryptk | reboot does shutdown -r now |
| 17:56.24 | dBsooner | yeah, I am stuck in the old days of no linked command for "reboot" |
| 17:56.29 | WillJitsu | if I want to continue using the smartreflex patch at 600 MHz, can I just install the 500 MHz version and change the 500 to 600 in that file? |
| 17:56.31 | cryptk | thebitguru are you making a WOL app? |
| 17:56.40 | thebitguru | yup, almost done :) |
| 17:56.54 | cryptk | nice bitguru, I will rest it for ya if you need someone |
| 17:56.56 | thebitguru | cryptk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE |
| 17:57.54 | thebitguru | any ideas why I am getting that weird styling? |
| 17:57.56 | a2ny|work | thebitguru: css format? px instead of % ? |
| 17:58.16 | cryptk | can you do WOL over WiFi?? I have never tried it |
| 17:58.16 | thebitguru | I am not specifying the style anywhere, I didn't think you could for menus |
| 17:58.21 | a2ny|work | is that the app header or top touch pref ? |
| 17:58.30 | thebitguru | that's the app menu |
| 17:59.13 | thebitguru | cryptk: I read somewhere that some cards do, but haven't looked into that much |
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| 18:02.46 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: i see some new programs in the repo.. they ready? |
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| 18:03.12 | bpadalino | thebitguru: any chance you want to write a service which exposes sockets to javascript so everyone who wants to just use a socket can use that single service ? |
| 18:03.32 | a2ny|work | thebitguru: it looks like css format is being pushed from the app header pill to the menu |
| 18:03.50 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: ping |
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| 18:04.12 | whoDat_ | hey what is the latest scoop on wifi tethering right now on 1.3.1? |
| 18:04.18 | cryptk_ | DAMN YOU AGAIN TIME WARNER!!! |
| 18:04.31 | cryptk_ | my interwebs have been really bad today... |
| 18:05.10 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: usb "works" |
| 18:05.28 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: as in "beta" or "alpha"? |
| 18:05.29 | a2ny|work | thebitguru: can you pastebin you're the code for the menu ? |
| 18:05.38 | thebitguru | bpadalino: I was thinking of working on tethering next (in case if PuffTheMagic needed any help), but I can look into that. |
| 18:05.48 | bpadalino | ah |
| 18:06.01 | thebitguru | a2ny|work: yeah, I think the css is the issue because if I comment all css then it seems ok |
| 18:06.04 | PuffTheMagic | thebitguru: naa its all set for the most part |
| 18:06.07 | thebitguru | a2ny|work: lookign into css right now |
| 18:07.25 | thebitguru | PuffTheMagic: great :) |
| 18:07.27 | cryptk_ | thebitguru do you have the css pastebinned somewhere? |
| 18:08.01 | thebitguru | cool, got it working. I started with the css from preware and that had a general .main style that was screwing this up. |
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| 18:08.10 | a2ny|work | :D |
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| 18:10.40 | a2ny|work | so why isn't update all working yet =\ |
| 18:10.47 | a2ny|work | preware |
| 18:10.54 | egaudet_work | dBsooner pong |
| 18:11.09 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: I am thinking of making another category, but need help deciding. |
| 18:11.21 | dBsooner | As you can see in your inbox, there were 6 "Top Bar" add's today |
| 18:11.29 | dBsooner | but they just change font size/color/etc |
| 18:11.37 | dBsooner | Like a Theme for the top bar |
| 18:13.15 | egaudet_work | no |
| 18:13.50 | egaudet_work | Why can't they just create a mojo preference to allow the user to change the font size/color |
| 18:14.02 | egaudet_work | rather than create umpteen patches |
| 18:14.25 | thebitguru | where is the testing repository? |
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| 18:17.43 | egaudet_work | thinks someone should make a giant top-bar patch that adds one item to device menu... PREFERENCES |
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| 18:18.30 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: that's not what I asked. |
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| 18:18.50 | egaudet_work | dBsooner, but it is where this is leading |
| 18:18.54 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: You and I both think that.. however, they aren't doing it, so I NEED to accomodate these people. |
| 18:19.18 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: So I should deny these and tell the person, "No.. make a preferences scene" |
| 18:19.26 | egaudet_work | no |
| 18:19.39 | dBsooner | Well.. then back to my original question.. |
| 18:19.40 | egaudet_work | but why do you wanta nother category |
| 18:19.43 | egaudet_work | i don't |
| 18:20.03 | dBsooner | I guess Top Bar is ok then |
| 18:20.36 | a2ny|work | isn't that what is is referenced by palm ? |
| 18:20.41 | a2ny|work | top bar scene or something |
| 18:20.43 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: You didn't answer my question. By "works", do you mean "alpha" or "beta"? |
| 18:20.57 | egaudet_work | works means works |
| 18:21.01 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: the app is alpha, usb works fine |
| 18:21.10 | dBsooner | ok.. just asking. |
| 18:21.20 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic, I don't know what I did yesterday but can you tell me how to use it |
| 18:21.29 | egaudet_work | do I have to usbnet enable on my pre? |
| 18:21.50 | PuffTheMagic | then enable the ip_forwarding toggle in the gui |
| 18:22.08 | PuffTheMagic | then on your lappy disables your other interfaces and then run dhcpcd on usb0 |
| 18:22.11 | egaudet_work | Does the service modify something on the rootfs? |
| 18:22.17 | PuffTheMagic | it should pull a addy and set your nameserver and default gw |
| 18:22.21 | egaudet_work | that shutting the service down would still keep it working |
| 18:22.29 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: no it wont |
| 18:22.36 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 18:22.37 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 18:22.38 | egaudet_work | I usbnet enable |
| 18:22.39 | PuffTheMagic | actually |
| 18:22.44 | PuffTheMagic | it probably would still work |
| 18:22.44 | egaudet_work | and then I ran service and app |
| 18:23.00 | egaudet_work | and I didn't have to do anything on my ubuntu PC, and actually usb0 took over my eth0 wired connection |
| 18:23.07 | jauderho | dBsooner: I don't know if rwhitby talked to you but we decided that it was probably a good idea to pull the powersave patches for 600mhz |
| 18:23.11 | dBsooner | So it won't work in windows yet? |
| 18:23.11 | egaudet_work | My pre doulbed up as a hand warmer |
| 18:23.34 | egaudet_work | I ctrl-c'd the service |
| 18:23.36 | egaudet_work | but it kept going |
| 18:23.39 | dBsooner | jauderho: I got that.. I was just wondering why he bumped the version # to -99 and then bumped the version # of the working dangerous-*-500Mhz to -19 |
| 18:23.44 | dBsooner | when the actual .patch didn't change |
| 18:23.53 | jauderho | dunno |
| 18:24.01 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: well yeah cause if u control-c it then the "cleanup" never happens |
| 18:24.08 | dBsooner | jauderho: cool, I'll ask him when he gets here. |
| 18:24.27 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic, signal handler in future versions? |
| 18:24.30 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: so it takes usbnet? which is not available on windows? :( |
| 18:24.32 | a2ny|work | jauderho: what do you know about smart reflex ? |
| 18:24.41 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: usb works on windows |
| 18:24.54 | jauderho | a2ny|work: what do you mean? |
| 18:24.54 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: i didnt know how to do that, but yeah, i would like to handle signals |
| 18:24.57 | dBsooner | Ahh, I was just assuming from reading egaudet_work's issues. |
| 18:24.58 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic does the service usbnet enable or is that manually required |
| 18:25.13 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: i will soon enable it with out needing a restart :D |
| 18:25.57 | a2ny|work | jauderho: just wondering, as smartreflex is bypassed by the kernel |
| 18:26.09 | egaudet_work | that would be awesome |
| 18:26.16 | a2ny|work | lm-sensors & twl4030 don't get along |
| 18:26.31 | a2ny|work | so there is no way to monitor voltage to core/l3 |
| 18:26.51 | egaudet_work | lm-sensors is just going to use the sysfs |
| 18:26.59 | jauderho | the smartreflex implementation from what I can tell is incomplete and not 100% correct. |
| 18:27.16 | egaudet_work | in /sys/class/i2c-adapter or whatever |
| 18:27.47 | jauderho | from what I have been able to find, TI made a reference impl but did not quite complete it. or at least the version in the Pre is not quite complete. |
| 18:28.13 | jauderho | it's probably also part of the reason why cpu-scaling+smartreflex = nuclear. |
| 18:28.39 | a2ny|work | jauderho: here is the reason |
| 18:28.48 | a2ny|work | root@webos / # cat boot/config-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 | grep SR |
| 18:29.00 | a2ny|work | CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS=y |
| 18:29.06 | a2ny|work | bypassed. |
| 18:29.13 | a2ny|work | for smart reflex to work... |
| 18:29.26 | a2ny|work | - # CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR is not set |
| 18:29.37 | a2ny|work | + CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR=y |
| 18:29.56 | jauderho | you could always try to recompile the kernel with that set |
| 18:30.16 | whoDat_ | perl does not come as part of the optware install? |
| 18:30.16 | a2ny|work | exactly |
| 18:30.20 | jauderho | to see if that works. I just have not checked it out. |
| 18:30.28 | jauderho | go for it! |
| 18:30.30 | bpadalino | perl is huge |
| 18:30.49 | sampson | if you want to fill up your entire app storage partition go for perl |
| 18:30.56 | whoDat_ | bp:i have a perl script i want to run on the phone |
| 18:31.10 | a2ny|work | you know how most of the 600mhz hang on start up? |
| 18:31.11 | jauderho | btw do not try to set CONFIG_PREEMPT. geist mentioned that some apps were not preempt safe (at this time) |
| 18:32.01 | a2ny|work | I am guessing they are hanging because of running 600mhz @ 550mhz vcore voltage |
| 18:32.05 | whoDat_ | sampson: its just a tiny little perl script i want to run... for tzo dynamic dns.. lol |
| 18:32.16 | sampson | so port it to bash |
| 18:32.24 | jauderho | a2ny|work: prob because their phones can't handle it. i mean the ideal way is to try it at the cmd line first. |
| 18:32.35 | sampson | it isn't worth the effort to do perl due to all the modules you can add in it would eat up your app partition |
| 18:33.00 | a2ny|work | most phones can handle the 600 |
| 18:33.12 | a2ny|work | but during boot remember how its hops into 550 |
| 18:34.18 | a2ny|work | if it runs the script before it hops into 550 the vcore may be lower than needed |
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| 18:34.53 | a2ny|work | I need to collect all this data in one spot, im sick of saying it over and over again lol |
| 18:35.16 | jauderho | I have not seen where it does that. mostly because I have not looked |
| 18:35.16 | jauderho | put it on the wiki |
| 18:35.20 | jauderho | even if it's just a brain dump |
| 18:35.22 | WillJitsu | what is a normal cpu utilization percentage on the Pre with all apps closed? mine keeps fluctuating between 15-20% |
| 18:35.51 | jauderho | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling |
| 18:37.12 | WillJitsu | jauderho: was that to me? |
| 18:37.18 | a2ny|work | me |
| 18:37.55 | a2ny|work | WillJitsu: root@webos / # uptime |
| 18:37.56 | a2ny|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.34 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: got a link for catching signals? |
| 18:38.57 | en0x | ~seen atlanta |
| 18:38.59 | infobot | atlanta <i=c6167a04@gateway/web/freenode/x-lsvdtokdgtaslqps> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 6d 15m 4s ago, saying: 'go for it'. |
| 18:39.07 | en0x | hmm |
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| 18:44.30 | jauderho | running iostat -xk 5 on the pre shows some interesting info |
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| 18:45.44 | warren | hmm, is there a way to force wIRC to use my EVDO if available even if I'm connected to wifi? Thus walking out of range wont break my connection. |
| 18:45.52 | dBsooner | yes |
| 18:45.55 | dBsooner | look in options |
| 18:46.11 | dBsooner | "preferred connectioN" |
| 18:46.26 | Wahots | iirc evdo gets disabled by webos when wifi is connected |
| 18:46.40 | warren | Wahots: you sure? |
| 18:46.46 | dBsooner | i don't think so... |
| 18:46.52 | jauderho | ~seen geist |
| 18:46.53 | infobot | geist is currently on #webos-internals (13h 32m 34s). Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 9h 23m 57s, last said: 'so if you put your thing before hidd starts you can do your decision there'. |
| 18:47.17 | Wahots | test it and find out :P |
| 18:47.49 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic, you can just do signal(SIGTERM, sighandler) as the simplest case |
| 18:48.13 | dBsooner | Wahots: I can connecto my pre's SSH over WiFi AND PPP0 right now.. |
| 18:48.16 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: where? begining of main or osmething? |
| 18:48.16 | egaudet_work | if you need to do more with signals sigaction is better/more powerful |
| 18:48.22 | dBsooner | and for giggles.... |
| 18:48.26 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic, yea |
| 18:48.27 | egaudet_work | early on in main |
| 18:48.45 | egaudet_work | or at least before doing anything that will need to be cleaned up |
| 18:48.49 | dBsooner | herre'sssssss johnny!!!.... |
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| 18:49.05 | Wahots | dBsooner: does the "Ev" show up? |
| 18:49.05 | dBsooner | dBsooner-Pre is connected here over ppp0.. |
| 18:49.19 | dBsooner | Uhh.. yeah.. |
| 18:49.20 | egaudet_work | although I think SIGINT is sent by ctrl-c and not SIGTERM |
| 18:49.29 | dBsooner | -12:48:28- -NickServ- dBsooner-Pre!n=dBsooner@99-202-107-223.pools.spcsdns.net has just authenticated as you (dBsooner) |
| 18:49.30 | egaudet_work | SIGTERM sent by kill |
| 18:49.33 | Mousey | anyone know where i can get the "safe" flashlight LED service ipk? |
| 18:49.45 | dBsooner | and I am still connected through SSH over wifi |
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| 18:50.17 | Abyssul | Good morning |
| 18:50.20 | Wahots | so there must be something causing both connections to activate but you can only have one default route to the internet |
| 18:50.57 | dBsooner | Wahots: nope, I got two |
| 18:51.10 | Wahots | only one will work |
| 18:51.12 | dBsooner | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 2 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:51.12 | dBsooner | default 68.28.185.85 0.0.0.0 UG 30 0 0 ppp0 |
| 18:51.14 | a2ny|work | does anyone know how to get info from the /sys/class for vcore ? |
| 18:51.39 | a2ny|work | I found the correct i2c-adapter |
| 18:51.43 | dBsooner | wIRC attaches to ppp0 |
| 18:51.56 | dBsooner | so it is forced to use that connector even though it's route metric is listed lower |
| 18:52.06 | dBsooner | all other data will still use the routing table |
| 18:52.13 | Wahots | ya |
| 18:52.15 | dBsooner | so all other data will flow over the eth0 econnection |
| 18:52.18 | jauderho | a2ny|work: ask geist? |
| 18:52.21 | dBsooner | but wIRC attaches to ppp0 |
| 18:52.26 | dBsooner | so all it's data flows over ppp0 |
| 18:52.27 | Wahots | interesting |
| 18:52.35 | Abyssul | Dang... no Precorder update... |
| 18:52.41 | Wahots | didn't realize ppp0 stays available |
| 18:52.49 | dBsooner | why wouldn't it? |
| 18:53.04 | Wahots | figured webos turns it off |
| 18:53.11 | jauderho | wahots: you can go to airplane mode, then turn wifi on. |
| 18:53.13 | dBsooner | what's really surprising is how wifi (eth0) turns off when device goes dorment. |
| 18:53.16 | jauderho | then evdo stays off |
| 18:53.27 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic, make sure you to exit in your sig handler. Catching SIGINT means you have to handle the killing/exiting |
| 18:53.49 | PuffTheMagic | k |
| 18:53.56 | dBsooner | bla, just SIGKILL everything |
| 18:54.02 | Wahots | of course all the above can be changed :) |
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| 18:54.42 | egaudet_work | and if you want to protect against other scripts calling you I think you can/should do a kill(getpid(), SIGINT) to tell everyone else the process exited on sigint |
| 18:54.53 | cryptk_ | is there a way to make it take longer before the wifi turns off from inactivity? that is something that has always bugged me... |
| 18:55.31 | cryptk_ | especially when reading on precentral, by the time I am done reading an article, the wifi is off, then I have to wait for 3-4 seconds for it to reconnect when i want to go to a different article |
| 18:55.53 | dBsooner | really? |
| 18:55.59 | dBsooner | Mine stays connected.... |
| 18:55.59 | Wahots | cryptk: it should not turn off while the screen is still on |
| 18:56.08 | dBsooner | if the screen is on, it should stay active. |
| 18:56.09 | cryptk | I know it is weird... |
| 18:56.18 | dBsooner | I think you's got a broke PRE |
| 18:56.23 | egaudet_work | I'll bbl |
| 18:56.24 | dBsooner | first the ipkg errors |
| 18:56.28 | cryptk | I will read an article, then when I go to return to the main page, it says unable to connect... |
| 18:56.30 | dBsooner | now the wifi turning off |
| 18:56.37 | cryptk | then if I wait 3-4 seconds and try again it works fine |
| 18:56.41 | Abyssul | I wonder how setting your Network Settings to Sprint Only improves battery life over Automatic... |
| 18:57.10 | cryptk | this si on the precentral mobile site |
| 18:57.26 | dBsooner | wtf is up with Precentral's apps in their feed? |
| 18:57.32 | dBsooner | I update my apps like 5 times a day |
| 18:57.41 | Wahots | I always keep mine on sprint only |
| 18:57.59 | dBsooner | and every now and then I get an "UPDATE AVAILABLE" from "OLDER"... Like WootON! shows to be updateable.. but last version was on 8/16/09 |
| 18:58.14 | dBsooner | I wonder if the date is being put into their xml wrong |
| 18:58.19 | dBsooner | I bet it is! |
| 18:58.21 | dBsooner | i bet thats it |
| 18:58.29 | dBsooner | rwhitby.. ^^ |
| 18:58.31 | dBsooner | rwhitby.. ^^ |
| 18:58.35 | Abyssul | Wahots, you don't get the benefit of roaming though (i think) |
| 18:58.54 | Wahots | I have no reason to roam |
| 19:00.31 | Wahots | if I'm out of coverage and really need to make a call, then I'll turn it on. but I can't remember the last time I was out of coverage |
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| 19:01.17 | Abyssul | Im just wondering where these people are getting good battery life. I used to get like 3% per hour while idle on my first Pre, but now I get like 8%... |
| 19:02.12 | warren | idle means different things |
| 19:02.13 | Wahots | they may not use their phones as much for data services |
| 19:02.46 | Wahots | from what I remember, the pcs radio uses a lot of power |
| 19:03.05 | Abyssul | Data uses a crapload of power |
| 19:03.17 | Abyssul | If you turn off data, I could run my Pre for 3 days |
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| 19:06.42 | jauderho | if you turn off everything including the pre, it'll run forever =) |
| 19:06.48 | Abyssul | Yea I know |
| 19:07.01 | jauderho | and hack proof too!! |
| 19:07.19 | Abyssul | How fast does the Pre boot now? Isn't it like 1:40? |
| 19:07.37 | en0x | ya |
| 19:07.47 | Abyssul | Used to be like 3 mins or more |
| 19:07.54 | en0x | 2.5 |
| 19:08.04 | Abyssul | Glad to see it's improving |
| 19:08.09 | Flashpass-work | aw preware telling me to uninstall smartreflex 600mhz :( |
| 19:08.09 | a2ny|work | lol |
| 19:08.10 | a2ny|work | good :D |
| 19:08.36 | Abyssul | In the next 6 months, we are gonna get "my Pre suddenly doesn't work" |
| 19:08.54 | a2ny|work | cat is showing me hex values how do I format =\ |
| 19:08.57 | Flashpass-work | so should I go for the 500mhz cpu scaling or smartreflex? I guess which one causes the least issues? |
| 19:09.05 | a2ny|work | none of them |
| 19:09.06 | Abyssul | Smartreflex is more stable |
| 19:09.14 | Abyssul | cpu scaling is more effective but glitchy |
| 19:09.15 | a2ny|work | because it doesn't do much |
| 19:09.26 | Abyssul | YMMV a2ny|work |
| 19:09.29 | Flashpass-work | hmm, how effective is it? |
| 19:09.40 | Abyssul | It all depends on a person by person basis |
| 19:09.44 | Abyssul | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/25/palm-and-sprint-issue-statement-acknowledging-profile-backup-iss/ |
| 19:09.58 | a2ny|work | Abyssul: all we have are opinions |
| 19:10.08 | a2ny|work | I am writing up a doc on what is doing what |
| 19:10.48 | Flashpass-work | a2ny|home: so you took some battery data and it shows that there isn't much savings? |
| 19:11.04 | a2ny|work | I am just stuck on trying to read vcore from hex values right now sysfs is not on the pre, and lm-senesors doesn't work |
| 19:11.40 | a2ny|work | Flashpass-work: yesterday comparing standby states from ver 1.1.0 to 1.3.1 there was a -1mA difference |
| 19:11.53 | a2ny|work | 1.1.0 was stock |
| 19:12.00 | a2ny|work | 1.3.1 was on smart reflex |
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| 19:12.17 | Abyssul | You flashed your Pre to 1.1.0? |
| 19:12.27 | a2ny|work | this was my data from back in july |
| 19:12.31 | Abyssul | Oh |
| 19:12.39 | a2ny|work | see actual battery percent |
| 19:12.43 | Abyssul | I wonder if there is a 1.1.0 doctor lieing around... |
| 19:12.47 | a2ny|work | lol |
| 19:13.51 | Abyssul | We need animated gif support... I want my emoticons to animate! |
| 19:15.08 | Flashpass-work | that would be cool |
| 19:15.22 | a2ny|work | if you replace gifs they won't ani ? |
| 19:15.55 | ird | pre doesn't support gifs I don't think. |
| 19:15.59 | jauderho | a2ny|work: ask chuqui I bet he could get you a link to a 1.1.0 doctor |
| 19:16.04 | Abyssul | We can't even view animated gifs in the photo app |
| 19:16.33 | a2ny|work | =\ |
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| 19:17.27 | chuqui | I actually don't have one to give you a link to.... or I would. |
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| 19:17.41 | jauderho | so sad =) |
| 19:18.37 | jauderho | chuqui: are there any plans to archive this somewhere? maybe off of opensource.palm.com? it would be useful to have a list of the webdoctors avail, along with the different revs of the sdks (public) of course. |
| 19:18.38 | Abyssul | Did anyone find a method to record more than 2 minutes with the Precorder app? |
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| 19:19.35 | a2ny|work | chuqui: I need help reading vcore, can you help ? |
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| 19:19.47 | nt4cats | Abyssul: > 2 minutes? That is a lot of time taking video of yourself in the bathroom mirror ... in a thong ... |
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| 19:20.03 | Abyssul | I have to strut my stuff :) |
| 19:20.23 | chuqui | I don't know what the legal issues with that would be, Jauder. send me an email to remind me, and I can ask and see what the policy is. |
| 19:21.00 | Flashpass-work | Hm, I have the "Add roam Control to Prefs" patch installed, and for some reason its not showing up in the phone's preferences. I'm running 1.3.1...ideas? |
| 19:21.13 | jauderho | chuqui: sure. chuq@palm right? |
| 19:21.13 | nt4cats | flashpass: did you reset luna? |
| 19:21.17 | latta | anyone figure out how to launch precorder via the terminal? |
| 19:21.20 | en0x | Flashpass-work, i had same thing |
| 19:21.24 | en0x | report it to the maintainer |
| 19:21.24 | en0x | ;P |
| 19:21.25 | Flashpass-work | nt4cats: yup |
| 19:21.32 | Flashpass-work | en0x: darn :( |
| 19:22.18 | Abyssul | hmmm... 18 pages on the Precorder app, anyone actually read it all? |
| 19:22.28 | Flashpass-work | I dont know who 'w5mw' is lol |
| 19:23.19 | nt4cats | Ack -- I have no "roam only" available in preferences either even though I have the patch. I have the "roam only toggle" app installed, too -- it works. |
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| 19:23.36 | en0x | Abyssul, i did |
| 19:23.36 | en0x | :D |
| 19:24.13 | Flashpass-work | nt4cats: so temporary solution is roam only app? |
| 19:24.18 | jauderho | latta: here's the command to launch the camera. you can modify it to point to the precorder app instead. "luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.camera\"}" |
| 19:24.24 | jauderho | remove first and last " |
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| 19:25.47 | imn6zcx | cryptk, were you the one that hellped me yesterday with the GNU Patch? |
| 19:25.48 | nt4cats | flashpass-work: at one time the roam only app required that the "add roam control to prefs" patch was in place ... so I'm not sure if this is simply no longer required, or if the 'back end' parts of the patch are working but the UI parts of the patch are not ... |
| 19:26.00 | imn6zcx | ooops helped |
| 19:26.08 | egaudet_wirc | phone prefs |
| 19:26.32 | nt4cats | s/prefs/phone prefs/ |
| 19:26.34 | Flashpass-work | nt4cats: oh interesting, i've previously installed only the patch and it worked fine |
| 19:27.42 | nt4cats | I've had (and used) the patch since it was available, but I don't go into prefs anymore to access it, I just use the "roam only toggle" app. |
| 19:27.43 | imn6zcx | ok, if anyone has installed that patch, have you had problems with your pre not shutting off or rebooting? |
| 19:28.52 | Flashpass-work | nt4cats: reading the description, it seems the patch is recommended only so that it properly reflects whther you are in a roaming state or not, but shoudl work find without it |
| 19:29.12 | imn6zcx | since it did the reboot, on it's own, I can't reboot. only take battery out and then back in |
| 19:29.45 | nt4cats | I think an early version of the app required the patch, or maybe I'm imagining that. |
| 19:30.12 | Flashpass-work | dunno |
| 19:30.22 | imn6zcx | ok, I guess nobody else has that problem |
| 19:30.59 | Flashpass-work | general question: whats the difference between the 'Ev' symbol showing and it being lit or not lit? |
| 19:31.18 | nt4cats | flashpass: if the letters are hollow there is no data activity |
| 19:31.26 | Flashpass-work | oooh |
| 19:31.34 | nt4cats | flashpass: .. and if the letters are filled in there is data activity going on |
| 19:31.41 | en0x | lol |
| 19:31.54 | Flashpass-work | okay, but if you see Ev it does mean you are in a evdo zone right? |
| 19:31.54 | en0x | im so tired |
| 19:31.59 | en0x | Flashpass-work, right |
| 19:32.06 | Flashpass-work | nice, thanks |
| 19:32.07 | nt4cats | flashpass: the symbol will change between "Ev" and "1x" depending on whether your're in an EVDO service area or a 1cRTT service area |
| 19:32.12 | nt4cats | s/1cRTT/1xRtt |
| 19:32.32 | nt4cats | flashpass: the symbol will change between "Ev" and "1x" depending on whether your're in an EVDO service area or a 1xRTT service area |
| 19:32.36 | Flashpass-work | yeah, got it - i was assuming not lit meant not available |
| 19:33.08 | nt4cats | ... and I learned on this IRC channel that "EVDO" is more accurately called "1xEVDO" ... |
| 19:33.23 | Flashpass-work | why's that? |
| 19:33.34 | nt4cats | Flashpass: because that's what someone named it :) |
| 19:33.49 | nt4cats | Flashpass: 1xEVDO was the follow-on technology to 1xRTT |
| 19:34.00 | Flashpass-work | ah makes sense |
| 19:35.13 | xorg | df |
| 19:35.19 | nt4cats | Flashpass: .. but the abbreviation "1x" was associated with 1xRTT, so EVDO is almost always referred to without it ... |
| 19:35.28 | nt4cats | http://web.archive.org/web/20061104082805/http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do.html |
| 19:35.46 | nt4cats | (you don't really have to open that URL, just notice that it ends in "1xev-do.html" |
| 19:36.20 | en0x | i wonder when sprint will be switching to gsm |
| 19:36.33 | a2ny|work | anyone use hexcurse ? |
| 19:36.41 | nt4cats | en0x: that'd be crazy |
| 19:36.57 | nt4cats | en0x: that's like saying you wonder when Ford will switch to making boats |
| 19:37.20 | a2ny|work | glock made curtain rods, now they make guns xD |
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| 19:37.55 | nt4cats | en0x: Sprint *is* their network, and they have a giant IS-95 CDMA/cdma2000 network. |
| 19:38.04 | mikewx | sprint's not switching to gsm, verizon sorta is though |
| 19:38.32 | nt4cats | mikewx: what makes you say that -- because verizon is using a 4g data technology from the GSM world? |
| 19:38.33 | Flashpass-work | mikewx: why do you say that? |
| 19:38.36 | bpadalino | LTE is the future .. wimax is pretty terrible |
| 19:38.38 | en0x | yea but using worldwide phones would be good |
| 19:38.38 | en0x | not cdma |
| 19:38.48 | en0x | and u get cdma u go to europe and it wont work |
| 19:38.53 | en0x | screw that |
| 19:38.54 | en0x | :P |
| 19:38.57 | mikewx | LTE is a superset of GSM technology |
| 19:39.30 | Mousey | LTE is a dead end, industry propped up sham. WiMAX, ftw! |
| 19:39.32 | mikewx | sprint is likely to be the only wimax carrier, at least in the us and probably world as well |
| 19:39.41 | Mousey | </US$0.02> |
| 19:39.51 | Mousey | what about clearwire? |
| 19:39.55 | mikewx | doesn't matter if it's technically superior |
| 19:40.07 | nt4cats | mikewx: there is a wimax network in AussieLand, I remember reading about it |
| 19:40.14 | mikewx | clearwire? a startup with no coverage still beating rocks (rather well i'll admit) for venture funding? |
| 19:40.27 | Mousey | the carriers sure would love everybody to have such a fatalist opinion about WiMAX.. which is still an open standard |
| 19:40.32 | nt4cats | Mousey: clearwire is part-owned by Sprint |
| 19:40.32 | mikewx | i think i'll ignore them for a few more years till someone buys them |
| 19:40.42 | Mousey | nt4cats: oh yah. that's true |
| 19:40.53 | nt4cats | Mousey/mikewx: I believe that Sprint's WiMax network == ClearWire's WiMax network |
| 19:40.53 | bpadalino | mousey, wow - you like wimax over lte? interesting! |
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| 19:41.14 | warren | wimax != 4G |
| 19:41.19 | Mousey | i like open standards over industry backed ones yes.. more room for innovation when it's not price-fixed by a cabal of companies |
| 19:41.21 | warren | which is pretty confusing |
| 19:41.27 | mikewx | nt4cats: possibly, i've been ignoreing clearwire for above reasons :) |
| 19:41.33 | mikewx | but pretty much the whole world is going to lte |
| 19:41.43 | Mousey | that's the Party Line(tm) yes |
| 19:41.47 | warren | clearwire is pretty big in Hawaii. folks there don't travel out of state often. |
| 19:42.03 | Mousey | big in washington too |
| 19:42.14 | mikewx | and i don't care how nice sprint has been to palm in the past, eventually they'll run out of customers and palm will start with world-standard phones before sprint phones |
| 19:42.25 | bpadalino | mousey, so because wimax is an ieee standard, you think it's different than LTE ? |
| 19:42.32 | Mousey | I'd like to see WebOS grow out of Palm-only hardware |
| 19:42.39 | mikewx | omg no |
| 19:42.43 | mikewx | they destroyed palmos |
| 19:42.43 | warren | omg no |
| 19:42.53 | mikewx | been there done that bought the tshirt |
| 19:42.59 | mikewx | still have a few backpacks and prototypes |
| 19:43.04 | Mousey | bpadalino: i think it's easier for small(er) companies (like clearwire) to play in the field because it's a published standard they don't have to pay anyone to implement |
| 19:43.34 | bpadalino | you need to pay royalties even if it is an ieee standard |
| 19:43.55 | Mousey | THATS TRUE! i forgot about that.. that's the same thing cisco did with their IEEE standard |
| 19:44.01 | Mousey | corruption much |
| 19:44.04 | nt4cats | One of the big problems for software vendors targeting Android is all of the different handsets and vendors they need to support -- having a tighter coupling between the OS and the hardware is not a bad thing |
| 19:44.16 | Mousey | aah, the old Apple argument |
| 19:44.36 | mikewx | i watched first person as the opening of palmos to multiple manufacturers destroyed palm |
| 19:44.37 | nt4cats | Mousey: I didn't say having an exclusionary and predatory tie-in between OS and hardware ... |
| 19:44.42 | Mousey | i disagree. WebOS is open enough that it's far more flexible, and easier to implement across platforms than android is |
| 19:44.45 | mikewx | i'd not like to repeat that |
| 19:45.12 | Mousey | nt4cats: but you did say tighter coupling between os and hardware.. that's Applism |
| 19:45.33 | nt4cats | tighter, yes. exlusionary and predatory, no |
| 19:45.38 | a2ny|work | can I diff whole folders and contents ? |
| 19:45.51 | nt4cats | a2ny: yes with diff |
| 19:45.54 | Mousey | exclusionary in the sense that other hardware mfgs can't play along |
| 19:45.55 | mikewx | palm's done a really nice job keepign webos both open and well intergrated to their hardware |
| 19:46.32 | a2ny|work | I know how to diff files |
| 19:46.39 | Mousey | a2ny|home: for loop? |
| 19:46.41 | a2ny|work | but not multi files inside folders |
| 19:46.47 | nt4cats | mikewx: I agree -- they've balanced the two quite well. Not perfectly (no one can be perfect) ... but quite well |
| 19:46.58 | mikewx | indeed |
| 19:48.32 | nt4cats | a2ny: from the diff man page "If both from-file and to-file are directories, diff compares corresponding files in both directories, in alphabetical order ..." |
| 19:48.33 | a2ny|work | nvm got it |
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| 19:48.55 | a2ny|work | nt4cats: thanks, I just need to trim the files a little bit and then compare |
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| 19:49.19 | bpadalino | so has anyone looked at the "triton" executable on 1.3.1 ? or looked at the palm/facebook photos service that is written in javascript ? |
| 19:49.25 | Abyssul | I wish there was a option to turn on and off the iphone spoof |
| 19:49.57 | tmzt | for usb? |
| 19:49.58 | tmzt | why? |
| 19:50.02 | nt4cats | Abyssul: I 10000% agree |
| 19:50.08 | Abyssul | which apparently doesnt work with 1.3.1.... |
| 19:50.22 | tmzt | mikewx: open, how? |
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| 19:50.40 | nt4cats | Abyssul: there are a small handful of sites that I might like to use it for -- but for all of the rest of my surfing I want my destination to record my hits as a Pre, not an iPhone. |
| 19:50.51 | tmzt | ah, that |
| 19:51.11 | en0x | if everyone would use iphone spoof then all sites will report as iphone grow in mobile market |
| 19:51.21 | nt4cats | en0x: exactly |
| 19:51.24 | Abyssul | Exactly why I want the option to turn it on and off like in hte preferences |
| 19:51.37 | nt4cats | Abyssul: get coding! |
| 19:51.39 | en0x | anyway u need to encurage web developers to design websites for webos too |
| 19:51.44 | tmzt | but the analytics won't care anyway |
| 19:51.53 | tmzt | and it will always read the webkit wvga as iPhone |
| 19:52.29 | nt4cats | tmzt: I noticed a BIG difference in the ads I was served when I had the iPhone spoof in place -- I got a lot of "buy X for your iPhone" that I don't get now |
| 19:52.41 | Abyssul | use the ad blocker ? |
| 19:53.11 | nt4cats | Now I still get ads, but they're not iPhone-targeted ads |
| 19:54.12 | nt4cats | ... so this tells me that at some level there is an "is an iphone / not an iphone" decision getting flipped somewhere -- and I can only assume that categorization is the same for ad-targeting and for traffic measurement |
| 19:54.34 | Abyssul | Indeed |
| 19:55.32 | mikewx | tmzt: the fact that this channe exists and is sucessful is evidence of how open WebOS is |
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| 19:59.27 | Abyssul | people need to learn how to create mobile sites... |
| 19:59.40 | Abyssul | Im browsing a few mobile sites and they dont even render the width properly |
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| 20:00.34 | zsoc_wirc | i'm holding 5 pres |
| 20:01.03 | zsoc_wirc | and I just realized they get shipped from a place in china on 'Castle Peak Road' |
| 20:01.42 | bpadalino | lots of castles on castle peak road |
| 20:03.21 | a2ny|work | root@castle |
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| 20:03.59 | a2ny|work | I hate putty. |
| 20:04.14 | nt4cats | zsoc: you don't need 5. I'll give you my FedEx shipper's account number and you can send one or two of those to me. |
| 20:04.26 | mikewx | it's not root@castle anymore in 1.3, it's like root@too-damn-long-name-that-fills-my-screen |
| 20:04.44 | a2ny|work | mikewx: palm-webos-device |
| 20:04.49 | mikewx | sounds right :) |
| 20:04.52 | a2ny|work | ;) |
| 20:04.53 | a2ny|work | change it |
| 20:05.02 | a2ny|work | root@webos here :D |
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| 20:05.53 | mikewx | my device is still screwed up from teh doctor. it's telling me i have no new messages in the last -1 days. So it's pshychic and knows i won't be getting any new email tomorrow... |
| 20:05.55 | tmzt | bpadalino: get there often? |
| 20:06.55 | nt4cats | mikewx: given that it is your means of getting mail, and it *knows* it won't be working, it can say with absolute certainty that you have no new messages in the last -1 days. |
| 20:07.11 | mikewx | heh |
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| 20:07.27 | zsoc_wirc | mikewx: that's a 1.3.1 issue |
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| 20:08.21 | bpadalino | tmzt, not often at all - never in fact |
| 20:08.31 | tmzt | so you just know? |
| 20:08.42 | bpadalino | rumors on the internets :) |
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| 20:15.02 | twosslow | (/nick Sslow) |
| 20:16.17 | nt4cats | bpadalino: are the internets near the interwebs? |
| 20:16.57 | bpadalino | only separated by a couple of tubes |
| 20:17.21 | rea | is there any patch that maps the center button? |
| 20:19.40 | twosslow | anybody got any idea what patch might be causing me to not be able to take screenshots? |
| 20:19.56 | nt4cats | twoslow: haven't heard of or seen that one myself |
| 20:20.15 | nt4cats | just verified that the Pre camera is okay by taking a photo of my working environment .... |
| 20:20.16 | bpadalino | rea, no - the center button is controlled by the hidd and unmapple currently i think |
| 20:20.24 | nt4cats | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30808441&l=bb0d7d505f&id=1369434606 |
| 20:20.35 | twosslow | started after dr to 1.3.1 |
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| 20:32.39 | mikewx | ah cool good to know that's not a bug related to my corrupt restore |
| 20:35.40 | a2ny|work | I hate inconclusive data |
| 20:35.56 | nt4cats | a2ny: change the data until it supports the conclusion you want |
| 20:36.24 | mikewx | he's not a climatoligist, he's a coder |
| 20:36.24 | a2ny|work | I was reading outputs from the sys bus |
| 20:36.38 | a2ny|work | trying to find vcore |
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| 20:37.10 | a2ny|work | so much changed when I changed vcore, the data is useless |
| 20:38.26 | a2ny|work | rm -rf ~/data |
| 20:39.03 | a2ny|work | if anyone knows how to read vcore from bus output, please feel free to help lol |
| 20:39.08 | nt4cats | cat >> ~/data << /dev/urandom |
| 20:39.22 | nt4cats | wow, that's awesome syntax on my part |
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| 20:40.10 | a2ny|work | lol |
| 20:40.38 | a2ny|work | nt4cats ftw |
| 20:40.48 | zsoc_wirc | heh |
| 20:41.08 | zsoc_wirc | my_sanity > /dev/ |
| 20:41.12 | zsoc_wirc | null |
| 20:43.21 | zsoc_wirc | I want to write a shell script that does metric conversion. |
| 20:43.31 | zsoc_wirc | because it'll have a standard out |
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| 20:43.51 | zsoc_wirc | (ba dum DA!) |
| 20:44.13 | a2ny|work | zsoc_wirc: really? lol |
| 20:45.03 | a2ny|work | bbiab lunch |
| 20:49.40 | jauderho | time for pho. bbl |
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| 20:53.12 | cryptk-pre | I juat looked at some javascript I wrote last night... |
| 20:53.31 | cryptk-pre | ...friends... don't let friends code on drugs... |
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| 20:56.22 | preston_wirc | does anyone from webos-internals have an idea why your website makes my pre crash? |
| 20:58.21 | en0x | preston_wirc, how many times u will ask this question today? |
| 20:58.25 | zsoc_wirc | I don't think it's 'our websites' fault |
| 20:58.42 | zsoc_wirc | try deleting your cookies |
| 20:58.47 | en0x | mmmmmm |
| 20:58.51 | en0x | cookies! |
| 20:59.52 | preston_wirc | this is only the second and there was a more important conversation going on, so I just dropped it. |
| 20:59.58 | preston_wirc | nevermind though. |
| 21:00.48 | *** part/#webos-internals preston_wirc (n=wIRCer@174-156-40-82.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:05.22 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:05.30 | rwhitby | freakout: what's up? |
| 21:06.05 | a2ny|work | ~seen cryptk |
| 21:06.06 | infobot | cryptk is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 2h 8m 56s, last said: 'this si on the precentral mobile site'. |
| 21:06.19 | *** join/#webos-internals imn6zcx (i=cdbc7541@gateway/web/freenode/x-qrjlzwmtrtffdodo) |
| 21:07.56 | freakout | rwhitby: a delightful Preware / ipkgservice bug |
| 21:08.06 | freakout | although I don't know if it's my problem or the Pre's |
| 21:08.18 | a2ny|work | me too here |
| 21:08.21 | imn6zcx | cryptk, were you the one helping me with the GNU yesterday afternoon? |
| 21:08.25 | rwhitby | dBsooner: bumped the version so people say the obsolete again and changed. bumped to -99 for permanently removed ones. |
| 21:08.27 | dBsooner | rwhitby: cryptk has an issue oyu might be interested in |
| 21:08.35 | freakout | rwhitby: I doctored back to 1.1.3, in order to have one final bum-rush on the app catalog |
| 21:08.36 | a2ny|work | had to run ipkg -o /var update |
| 21:09.01 | rwhitby | dBsooner: saw that - he's one of the few for which the ipkg wrapper makes things worse, so he needs to turn the switch off in Preware and use MvApp. |
| 21:09.16 | dBsooner | rwhitby: 10-4.. after the conversation with eric about -99, I thought we weren't going to use that as it makes the appid unusable. |
| 21:09.25 | freakout | rwhitby: After re-updating to 1.3.1, had a bunch of issues... |
| 21:09.32 | freakout | I will elucidate a bit later. gotta run to work now |
| 21:09.50 | dBsooner | rwhitby: What about my issue with Precentral's apps? |
| 21:10.13 | rwhitby | dBsooner: -100 is bigger than -99 if we need it |
| 21:10.35 | dBsooner | lol.. Yes, but that would make things all sorts of confusing in the taging of mods |
| 21:10.48 | dBsooner | but this is a one time thing, so I understand. |
| 21:11.07 | rwhitby | dBsooner: why? those obsolete patches will never be touched again, and the others don't change. |
| 21:11.13 | xorg | +rwhitby: morning rod... sent you an email about new mvapp ready to release |
| 21:11.19 | rwhitby | xorg: got it |
| 21:11.28 | dBsooner | rwhitby: IF we end up wanting the same appid again |
| 21:11.33 | dBsooner | it would then make it confusing. |
| 21:11.42 | xorg | +rwhitby: whenver you get a chance, no rush on it |
| 21:12.10 | imn6zcx | cryptk?? |
| 21:12.14 | rwhitby | dBsooner: the -99 is meant to indicate that the appid is not available for reuse. |
| 21:12.47 | imn6zcx | can anyone help me with a question about the GNU patch? |
| 21:15.46 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: Ask away... It's easier for us to colaborate on an answer. :D |
| 21:16.19 | dBsooner | oil: ping |
| 21:16.29 | rwhitby | thebitguru: did you upload to the git repos? |
| 21:17.27 | a2ny|work | rwhitby: he was asking for a git repo earlier |
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| 21:17.51 | a2ny|work | I don't think he knew were to place it |
| 21:18.30 | nt4cats | is going to nap, not sure why I signed on. nite! |
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| 21:20.37 | xorg | can freetether be discussed here? has issue with dependency.. needs us.ryanhope.freetetherd, which is not in the repository |
| 21:21.27 | dBsooner | xorg: yes it is |
| 21:21.38 | dBsooner | or was... |
| 21:21.43 | imn6zcx | I added GNU yesterday and it installed good. It did reboot and since then, i can't get my pre to reboot or turn off |
| 21:21.52 | imn6zcx | They only way is to take out battery |
| 21:21.56 | gerg | hey |
| 21:22.02 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: I don't think GNU Patch caused that.. |
| 21:22.10 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: Do you have Preware installed? |
| 21:22.15 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:22.18 | gerg | so I'm digging this irc app for webos |
| 21:22.24 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: Open it and uninstall GNU Patch. |
| 21:22.30 | xorg | +dBsooner: did a ipkg list and the freetetherd doesn't show up |
| 21:22.43 | imn6zcx | i can't. it won't uninstall |
| 21:22.43 | dBsooner | it's not in the repo that way |
| 21:22.45 | xorg | an |
| 21:22.49 | rwhitby | jauderho: I have all the webos doctors back to day one. with chuq's permission I could pass one on to you. |
| 21:22.50 | imn6zcx | says it's being used |
| 21:22.51 | xorg | xorg-pre: test |
| 21:23.24 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: by what? |
| 21:23.29 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: uninstall all your patches first |
| 21:23.46 | gerg | hmm any other apps good to get? |
| 21:23.47 | imn6zcx | I did that last night and the last one was gnu |
| 21:24.04 | imn6zcx | wouldn't let me remove |
| 21:24.47 | dBsooner | oh.. I see the problem xorg |
| 21:24.54 | dBsooner | rwhitby: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=unreleased/freetetherd/Makefile;h=97541354768e7d22f1b5d002f31b58d01be43d14;hb=209e710e7e853c8e1f0ce66c0e399ae92545fffa |
| 21:25.17 | dBsooner | that blob shows the freetetherd Makefile to be for the backup utility? |
| 21:26.09 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: do you have command line access? |
| 21:26.17 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: where you can copy/paste |
| 21:26.23 | rwhitby | xorg: do you have the armv7 testing feed installed? |
| 21:26.30 | xorg | y |
| 21:26.42 | dBsooner | y = why? or y = yes? |
| 21:26.42 | imn6zcx | don't know |
| 21:26.47 | xorg | yes |
| 21:26.49 | imn6zcx | i'm not the best |
| 21:26.59 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: what do you show to be "installed" in preware? |
| 21:27.02 | imn6zcx | where can i find it |
| 21:27.34 | imn6zcx | apps, linux apps patches, service and unknown |
| 21:27.38 | a2ny|work | imn6zcx: ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patch |
| 21:27.48 | a2ny|work | that will remove the GNU patch via CLI |
| 21:27.51 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: go to patchesr |
| 21:28.07 | dBsooner | a2ny|work: he doesn't have command line, and I am not going to walk him through that |
| 21:28.21 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: what do you have listed in "patches" |
| 21:29.38 | imn6zcx | add date (both the month and day and the month date year. all day events, enable hiddne clock, hide nascar app and more reminder alarm time |
| 21:29.48 | dBsooner | you need to remove ALL Those |
| 21:29.57 | rwhitby | dBsooner: thanks - fixed. |
| 21:30.15 | dBsooner | rwhitby: :) That should be why freetetherd wasn't showing in repo, correct? |
| 21:30.21 | rwhitby | dBsooner: nope |
| 21:30.25 | dBsooner | dang |
| 21:30.29 | rwhitby | that would just stop it from updating |
| 21:30.37 | rwhitby | it was already in repo |
| 21:30.50 | dBsooner | ahh.. that's what I meant. |
| 21:30.56 | rwhitby | ah, it would remove it from packages though |
| 21:31.02 | rwhitby | fixed now anyway |
| 21:31.02 | dBsooner | :D |
| 21:31.12 | rwhitby | xorg: try now |
| 21:31.17 | xorg | ok, tetherd now installed |
| 21:31.42 | rwhitby | xorg: *free*tetherd ;-) |
| 21:31.45 | imn6zcx | all can but the add date mm/dd/yy. That was part of problem yesterday. that's why i added gnu. i get an error in ipkg and fcan't get rid of it |
| 21:31.52 | xorg | yes |
| 21:32.21 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: so uninstall them all but that one |
| 21:32.26 | dBsooner | and tell me when you are at that point. |
| 21:32.41 | imn6zcx | k |
| 21:32.51 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: did oyu happen to upgrade to 1.3.1 with patches installed? |
| 21:33.14 | rwhitby | xorg: one line changelog for mvapp? |
| 21:33.52 | xorg | +rwhitby: did it turn out that way? |
| 21:34.43 | xorg | I'm ok with one line |
| 21:35.08 | imn6zcx | everything is gone except that one. I tried to delet gnu patch and says packages that depend on this and shows that add date |
| 21:35.28 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:35.35 | rwhitby | xorg: we should get Templarian to do an icon for MvApp |
| 21:36.02 | xorg | icon sounds good to me |
| 21:36.12 | rwhitby | xorg: "0.3.6: Now checks for abandoned links and checks if the ipkg wrapper is installed. The doctor is renamed to diag, and added update preware and terminal apps." |
| 21:36.26 | imn6zcx | and i accidently removed preware and had my sprint guy reinstall it after 1.3.1 |
| 21:36.40 | rwhitby | imn6zcx: you had a Sprint guy install Preware? |
| 21:36.47 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:36.55 | rwhitby | that's bound to break something :-) |
| 21:36.58 | imn6zcx | on his own |
| 21:37.10 | imn6zcx | he also owns a pre |
| 21:38.07 | Templarian | rwhitby: yes we should. I don't hink he knows what MvApp is though. |
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| 21:38.57 | imn6zcx | any ideaas dbsooner? |
| 21:39.04 | imn6zcx | or anyone? |
| 21:39.07 | xorg | rwhitby: am ok with the changelog |
| 21:39.36 | rwhitby | xorg: released |
| 21:39.40 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: you upgraded to 1.3.1 without removing patches? |
| 21:39.43 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: run EPR |
| 21:39.56 | imn6zcx | yes i did |
| 21:39.59 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: go back to main scene |
| 21:40.07 | dBsooner | go to "list of everything" |
| 21:40.14 | dBsooner | type "emergency" |
| 21:40.15 | xorg | rwhitby: thanks |
| 21:40.22 | dBsooner | and you should see "Emergency Patch Recovery" |
| 21:40.46 | rwhitby | xorg: please give Templarian some info about MvApp |
| 21:41.01 | jauderho | rwhitby: I dont need it myself but a2ny was asking for it. i've sent an email to chuq to host it officially somewhere. thanks tho. |
| 21:41.30 | imn6zcx | i see it in available packages |
| 21:41.37 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: install it |
| 21:41.48 | rwhitby | jauderho: I expect Palm would not want to officially host old doctors |
| 21:41.51 | imn6zcx | should i do anything first? |
| 21:41.57 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: no install it |
| 21:42.02 | jauderho | is about to crack open a pack of tim-tams. |
| 21:42.11 | imn6zcx | installed |
| 21:42.15 | Templarian | looks at xorg intently like he's about to read a story from a book. |
| 21:42.28 | jauderho | rwhitby: it's palm's decision and i'm happy to abide by whatever they decide. |
| 21:42.29 | imn6zcx | done |
| 21:42.31 | dBsooner | imn6zcx: no close preware and reopen |
| 21:42.34 | dBsooner | now* |
| 21:42.49 | jauderho | rwhitby: imo might make sense to host if off a developer forum tho. |
| 21:43.12 | imn6zcx | ok opening |
| 21:43.20 | imn6zcx | and thanik you btw |
| 21:43.35 | imn6zcx | ok it's open |
| 21:43.38 | dBsooner | no problem.. now go to "Installed" |
| 21:43.48 | imn6zcx | ok |
| 21:43.53 | dBsooner | Patches still a category? |
| 21:43.59 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:44.05 | dBsooner | do you have a theme installed? |
| 21:44.11 | imn6zcx | no |
| 21:44.33 | dBsooner | and in the patches categroy, is it just the top-bar one? |
| 21:44.46 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:44.49 | dBsooner | have you ever had a theme installed? |
| 21:45.00 | rwhitby | jauderho: yep |
| 21:45.04 | imn6zcx | yes, but went away |
| 21:45.16 | dBsooner | after the update huh? |
| 21:45.28 | imn6zcx | uh huh |
| 21:45.41 | dBsooner | OK.. you are probably going to want to run WOSRU |
| 21:45.49 | dBsooner | webOS Repair Utility |
| 21:45.50 | imn6zcx | wosru? |
| 21:46.02 | imn6zcx | and emergency? |
| 21:46.09 | dBsooner | It will go through and restore all the 1.3.1 files back to stock |
| 21:46.14 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 21:46.16 | dBsooner | no, it's webOS Repair Utility |
| 21:46.32 | imn6zcx | will I lose anything |
| 21:46.46 | dBsooner | no, your apps and stuff will stay |
| 21:46.53 | dBsooner | it just restores the stock palm files |
| 21:47.01 | imn6zcx | ok, how |
| 21:47.09 | imn6zcx | and where do i get it |
| 21:47.15 | xorg | brb |
| 21:47.22 | dBsooner | first, install Terminal from Preware |
| 21:47.35 | dBsooner | go to list of everything again and type "terminal" |
| 21:47.37 | imn6zcx | where is terminal |
| 21:48.01 | jauderho | ooo. the palm wool pouch looks nice. too bad it's for the pixi |
| 21:48.24 | imn6zcx | ok |
| 21:48.32 | imn6zcx | i see 2 |
| 21:48.35 | dBsooner | ok |
| 21:48.37 | dBsooner | install both |
| 21:48.43 | imn6zcx | terminal and terminal service plugin |
| 21:48.47 | dBsooner | one should be the terminal app itself, the other the service/plugin it requires |
| 21:49.32 | imn6zcx | did one and it is rebooting |
| 21:49.39 | dBsooner | that was the service |
| 21:49.55 | dBsooner | once it comes back up, open preware and install Terminal |
| 21:50.01 | imn6zcx | k |
| 21:50.19 | dBsooner | which do you have? Date in MM-DD or MM-DD-YY? |
| 21:51.01 | a2ny|work | dBsooner: leading him through console now are we ;) |
| 21:51.19 | dBsooner | a2ny|work: yeah, its the only way unfortunately. |
| 21:51.33 | dBsooner | EPR let me down |
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| 21:53.35 | a2ny|work | =\ |
| 21:53.38 | dBsooner | that sucks |
| 21:53.44 | dBsooner | http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/204495-webos-repair-utility.html |
| 21:53.47 | dBsooner | there's his link |
| 21:53.54 | dBsooner | but he left us |
| 21:54.44 | dBsooner | a2ny|work: I gotta fold some of this laundry before it wrinkles (yes, a dad that does laundry).. would oyu mind walking him through ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-add-date-mm-dd |
| 21:54.47 | Mousey | we miss him so.. |
| 21:54.48 | Mousey | *sniff* |
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| 21:54.56 | dBsooner | then point him to that link? |
| 21:55.04 | imn6zcx | am i here |
| 21:55.06 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:55.09 | dBsooner | LOL |
| 21:55.16 | dBsooner | open terminal |
| 21:55.22 | a2ny|work | you get too ;) |
| 21:55.26 | imn6zcx | it is still typing |
| 21:55.31 | a2ny|work | nodoze sucks =\ |
| 21:55.32 | dBsooner | which do you have, MM-DD or MM-DD-YY? |
| 21:55.42 | imn6zcx | mm-dd-yy |
| 21:55.47 | dBsooner | still typing? |
| 21:55.54 | imn6zcx | yes |
| 21:55.59 | dBsooner | what do you mean? |
| 21:56.06 | imn6zcx | on terminal page |
| 21:56.16 | dBsooner | why is it typing? |
| 21:56.20 | imn6zcx | broadcast message from roont |
| 21:56.23 | imn6zcx | system woke up |
| 21:56.27 | dBsooner | ohhh |
| 21:56.28 | a2ny|work | plug it in |
| 21:56.29 | dBsooner | sleep .. lol |
| 21:56.31 | Abyssul | Zune software does not like the .m4v files from the Pre recording |
| 21:56.33 | a2ny|work | those are powerd messages |
| 21:56.34 | dBsooner | plug it into a charger |
| 21:56.37 | imn6zcx | just closed it |
| 21:56.38 | Abyssul | i mean .mp4 |
| 21:56.58 | imn6zcx | ok now what |
| 21:57.03 | dBsooner | a2ny|work: can you take it? I really gotta fold.. wife gets off in an hour |
| 21:57.26 | dBsooner | ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-add-date-mm-dd-yy |
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| 21:57.44 | imn6zcx | huh? |
| 21:57.51 | dBsooner | open terminal |
| 21:57.54 | dBsooner | and type that |
| 21:57.57 | dBsooner | then press enter |
| 21:58.09 | imn6zcx | and i should plug into pc now too |
| 21:58.15 | dBsooner | might as well |
| 21:58.17 | dBsooner | choose just charge |
| 21:59.21 | imn6zcx | deosn't even show charge either |
| 21:59.26 | imn6zcx | i know it's charging though |
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| 21:59.50 | Abyssul | Precorder has sync issues :p |
| 21:59.53 | imn6zcx | going to preware |
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| 22:00.38 | a2ny|work | ok |
| 22:00.41 | a2ny|work | im here ill help |
| 22:00.59 | a2ny|work | I am in the right spot for vcore |
| 22:01.04 | a2ny|work | now just need to find it :D |
| 22:01.23 | imn6zcx | where can i find the terminal under what? |
| 22:01.48 | imn6zcx | found it |
| 22:02.02 | imn6zcx | should I launch it? |
| 22:02.26 | a2ny|work | yes |
| 22:02.37 | imn6zcx | ok |
| 22:02.55 | imn6zcx | and type in the line ipkg |
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| 22:03.02 | a2ny|work | yes |
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| 22:05.52 | imn6zcx | typed it now enter? |
| 22:06.42 | imn6zcx | hello? |
| 22:07.17 | imn6zcx | a2ny or desooner? |
| 22:07.41 | a2ny|work | hi |
| 22:07.43 | a2ny|work | yes enter |
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| 22:08.03 | imn6zcx | now what? |
| 22:08.11 | a2ny|work | did it say removed ? |
| 22:08.30 | imn6zcx | says not found |
| 22:09.01 | imn6zcx | should i try again? |
| 22:09.25 | a2ny|work | ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep org.webosinternals.patch |
| 22:09.39 | a2ny|work | | is orange+period |
| 22:10.13 | bpadalino | orange is officially called the 'blob' key in the hardware diagnostics |
| 22:11.06 | a2ny|work | =) |
| 22:12.44 | imn6zcx | now what |
| 22:12.53 | imn6zcx | i'm so confuseddddddddddddddd |
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| 22:13.28 | imn6zcx | should i get out of terminal and see if its gone |
| 22:13.40 | PreGame | i cannot install terminal |
| 22:13.49 | PreGame | i tried via preware and WQI |
| 22:13.50 | imn6zcx | a2ny? |
| 22:15.23 | PreGame | does terminal not work on 1.3.1 |
| 22:15.28 | imn6zcx | ? |
| 22:15.32 | a2ny|work | what did it come back ? |
| 22:15.57 | a2ny|work | did you get any reference to the patches ? |
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| 22:16.19 | imn6zcx | .no |
| 22:16.27 | imn6zcx | still won't uninstall |
| 22:16.52 | a2ny|work | that is not removing it |
| 22:17.02 | a2ny|work | it should come back with a list of installed items |
| 22:17.27 | cnolan | hi folks, i hate to sound like a n00b but when trying to install precorder using the bootstrap script i get "Cannot find package org.webosinternals.gstservice." |
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| 22:17.59 | imn6zcx | crap, should I type it again? |
| 22:18.19 | a2ny|work | yes |
| 22:18.29 | imn6zcx | the line you gave me |
| 22:18.32 | a2ny|work | yes |
| 22:18.39 | a2ny|work | this is what my pre gives me... |
| 22:18.39 | a2ny|work | http://webos.pastebin.com/d4d2e9334 |
| 22:20.05 | a2ny|work | PreGame: App:Terminal works |
| 22:20.18 | sugardave | PreGame: Terminal is working...I never installed before until last night |
| 22:20.34 | sugardave | IN STEREO! |
| 22:20.47 | imn6zcx | ok |
| 22:20.55 | a2ny|work | did you get anything ? |
| 22:22.40 | imn6zcx | yes it shows i have gny patch and org.webosinternals.patches top-bar-add-date-mm-dd-uu - 1.2.1-0add date - mm/dd/yy |
| 22:22.52 | imn6zcx | make senses\? |
| 22:23.00 | imn6zcx | gnu |
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| 22:23.21 | xorg | g |
| 22:23.22 | DarkSpecter | hi |
| 22:23.40 | a2ny|work | yup |
| 22:23.56 | a2ny|work | and the problem you are having is the top bar add date correct ? |
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| 22:24.39 | PreGame | i have rebooted my phone and cannot get it installed |
| 22:24.43 | DarkSpecter | is it normal that after uninstalling patches there are still .orig files left in the filesystem ? |
| 22:24.52 | PreGame | preware says it installs fine but actually is not showing it as installed |
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| 22:25.14 | imn6zcx_ | ok |
| 22:25.25 | imn6zcx_ | did you see anything i typed |
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| 22:26.06 | PreGame | also how do i delete the videos created by precorder |
| 22:26.18 | imn6zcx_ | a2ny |
| 22:26.48 | imn6zcx_ | now what do i do? please |
| 22:27.00 | a2ny|work | (2:22:36 PM) a2ny|work: and the problem you are having is the top bar add date correct ? |
| 22:27.05 | PreGame | cnolan: how are you trying to install the bootstrap? |
| 22:27.39 | imn6zcx_ | yes, and i can't remove it or can't even turn pre off |
| 22:28.19 | a2ny|work | ok |
| 22:28.33 | imn6zcx_ | since i installed the gnu yesterday |
| 22:28.33 | cnolan | PreGame, nevermind I think i fixed it. (I am using a root shell via novacom) |
| 22:28.58 | a2ny|work | lets remove all the patches with... |
| 22:29.18 | a2ny|work | ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patch* |
| 22:31.17 | imn6zcx_ | says -sh ipkg; not found |
| 22:32.40 | a2ny|work | tap the gesture area |
| 22:32.42 | a2ny|work | then 2 |
| 22:32.48 | a2ny|work | recheck your spelling |
| 22:32.56 | imn6zcx_ | ok |
| 22:33.16 | imn6zcx_ | removed it says |
| 22:33.17 | PreGame | i can't get the dang terminal to install |
| 22:33.19 | imn6zcx_ | should i check |
| 22:35.25 | imn6zcx_ | removed! |
| 22:35.35 | imn6zcx_ | nowstill can't restart or shut down |
| 22:35.55 | a2ny|work | ok |
| 22:35.55 | a2ny|work | what do you mean |
| 22:35.56 | a2ny|work | you can't hold the power button ? |
| 22:36.06 | a2ny|work | PreGame: ssh, ipkg -o /var update |
| 22:36.52 | imn6zcx_ | yes,i get airplae mode, power and cancel. if i press power I get restart and shut down andcancel |
| 22:37.08 | imn6zcx_ | pushing either restart or shut down.... nothing |
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| 22:37.45 | zsoc | ice-11, hey foo |
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| 22:38.27 | imn6zcx_ | any ideas a2ny? |
| 22:38.51 | PreGame | i get wget ipkg.preware.org bad address |
| 22:39.03 | a2ny|work | hmm |
| 22:39.05 | zsoc | PreGame, your radio isn't on |
| 22:39.26 | a2ny|work | I can make it shutdown... but I wouldn't want it not to start up again |
| 22:39.59 | imn6zcx_ | lol |
| 22:40.07 | imn6zcx_ | am I screwed? |
| 22:40.19 | a2ny|work | any sensitive data lol ? |
| 22:40.22 | PreGame | i just tried again and it works |
| 22:40.23 | PreGame | weird |
| 22:40.35 | imn6zcx_ | isn't laughing |
| 22:41.43 | PreGame | ok a2ny|home: now what? |
| 22:41.55 | a2ny|work | you get that PreGame, run preware now |
| 22:42.17 | ice-11 | zsoc: hey! I see that Precorder is in alpha. Great job :) |
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| 22:42.28 | PreGame | i've already done that. |
| 22:42.38 | PreGame | it just doesn't show it as installed |
| 22:42.40 | imn6zcx_ | I wonder if i have to do a hard reset |
| 22:42.52 | a2ny|work | install it |
| 22:42.58 | zsoc | ice-11, considering how bad it is, i've gotten a lot of positive feedback |
| 22:43.01 | a2ny|work | imn6zcx_: try this |
| 22:43.06 | imn6zcx_ | ok |
| 22:43.08 | a2ny|work | pkill LunaSysMgr |
| 22:43.17 | a2ny|work | it will restart luna, and then try to shutdown |
| 22:43.30 | a2ny|work | it will appear the phone is booting up |
| 22:43.36 | imn6zcx_ | huh, where do i type that in terminal |
| 22:43.39 | ice-11 | zsoc: haha, it's not that bad, it's coming along nicely. Great work. |
| 22:43.40 | zsoc | how about 'reboot'? :P |
| 22:43.47 | zsoc | ice-11, ty, what are you up to? |
| 22:43.55 | PreGame | reboot = Orange + Sym + R |
| 22:44.37 | imn6zcx_ | a2ny, do i type that in terminal? |
| 22:44.54 | PreGame | yes |
| 22:44.55 | ice-11 | zsoc: working on several school projects at the moment. Pre work is on the back-burner for the time being |
| 22:45.07 | zsoc | ice-11, don't blame you :) good to hear from ya anyways |
| 22:45.11 | PreGame | zsoc |
| 22:45.18 | zsoc | PreGame, what? |
| 22:45.18 | PreGame | how do i remove precorder videos? |
| 22:45.21 | ice-11 | zsoc: you too :). |
| 22:45.32 | zsoc | PreGame, what does that have to do with me? it's alpha software, i've already told everyone not to download or use it |
| 22:45.36 | imn6zcx_ | pregame you taking over for him? |
| 22:45.37 | ice-11 | PreGame: Get the patch to remove videos with a swipe; It's in preware |
| 22:45.47 | zsoc | PreGame, alternatively, there's a patch to remove them with swipe ;) |
| 22:45.55 | zsoc | PreGame, or install Internalz and the service |
| 22:45.55 | ice-11 | :p |
| 22:46.01 | zsoc | PreGame, or plug it in USB and delete them that way |
| 22:46.03 | ice-11 | that should really be on the wiki page |
| 22:46.11 | PreGame | why have something in alpha if you tell people not to download or use it? |
| 22:46.16 | a2ny|work | im waiting for you imn6zcx_ |
| 22:46.18 | a2ny|work | you get it ? |
| 22:46.31 | zsoc | PreGame, or install the terminal app and use rm :P |
| 22:46.32 | imn6zcx_ | i asked if i should type that in terminal? |
| 22:46.42 | a2ny|work | yes |
| 22:46.46 | PreGame | i'm trying to install the terminal but it isn't working |
| 22:46.54 | zsoc | PreGame, it's in alpha so other devs can test it for the purposes of answering questions i have on an unhacked device. But it's opensource, so I can't stop people from installing it :P |
| 22:46.58 | jauderho | so has anyone tried the GPS hack for more accurate/standalone GPS? |
| 22:47.04 | zsoc | PreGame, did you install the terminal service plugin? |
| 22:47.19 | PreGame | yep |
| 22:47.21 | a2ny|work | what does the ipkg log say ? |
| 22:47.26 | a2ny|work | in preware |
| 22:48.16 | zsoc | PreGame, then i don't know. all i know is the Terminal application right now has no maintainer |
| 22:48.23 | zsoc | but it wfm |
| 22:48.35 | PreGame | i can't find the ipkg log in preware anymore, its not in the menu |
| 22:48.36 | imn6zcx_ | yes says palm |
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| 22:49.02 | PreGame | and it restarts luna so i cannot see the log |
| 22:49.03 | imn6zcx | yes says palm |
| 22:49.21 | imn6zcx | rebooted |
| 22:49.42 | imn6zcx | still push restart and nothing |
| 22:49.56 | a2ny|work | shutdown -r now |
| 22:50.04 | a2ny|work | in terminal |
| 22:50.32 | imn6zcx | ok getting to terminal again and will type |
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| 22:52.18 | imn6zcx | ok rebooting |
| 22:53.22 | imn6zcx | at least my palm is |
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| 22:55.30 | imn6zcx | still won't shut down pushing restart of shut down' |
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| 22:56.58 | imn6zcx_ | a2ny, still won't shut down or reboot |
| 22:57.29 | imn6zcx_ | I keep having problems here, that's why i go and come back |
| 22:58.18 | imn6zcx_ | hello? |
| 22:58.24 | PreGame | whats command to see ipkg log? |
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| 23:01.25 | imn6zcx_ | a2ny, are you still here? |
| 23:02.06 | a2ny|work | yeah still here |
| 23:02.11 | a2ny|work | back and forth |
| 23:02.27 | imn6zcx_ | 'ahhhhhhh, sorry for me coming and going |
| 23:02.37 | imn6zcx_ | this site doesn't like me I guess LOL |
| 23:02.49 | imn6zcx_ | anyway i did all you said and it still won't restart |
| 23:04.46 | imn6zcx_ | did i lose it again? |
| 23:04.54 | imn6zcx_ | nope |
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| 23:06.11 | imn6zcx_ | is there a way to leave you my email incase you have any ideas a2ny? I konw your at work and busy |
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| 23:07.50 | imn6zcx_ | ? |
| 23:08.57 | rwhitby | Templarian: s/McApp/MvApp/ |
| 23:12.27 | Templarian | looks around trying to figure out rwhitby was correcting. |
| 23:13.57 | imn6zcx_ | hello |
| 23:14.39 | a2ny|work | imn6zcx_: you must have installed something that replaced a file |
| 23:14.50 | a2ny|work | a js file that lets the system shutdown |
| 23:14.54 | imn6zcx_ | i guess, |
| 23:15.15 | imn6zcx_ | should I leave you my email in case something comes to your mind? |
| 23:15.45 | a2ny|work | you can find me on here, or stop by and see if anyone else can help you |
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| 23:16.17 | imn6zcx_ | ok, so i wonder what will happen? |
| 23:16.33 | imn6zcx_ | do i have to to a total reinstall? |
| 23:18.04 | imn6zcx_ | . |
| 23:18.16 | a2ny|work | not sure yet |
| 23:18.29 | a2ny|work | keep in mind you can always reboot your device with terminal |
| 23:18.45 | a2ny|work | so don't run doctor if you don't have too |
| 23:18.45 | imn6zcx_ | ok how again? |
| 23:18.52 | imn6zcx_ | ok |
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| 23:19.28 | a2ny|work | shutdown -r now |
| 23:19.53 | imn6zcx_ | ok, i;ll write it down and go right to thermial and shut down. THANK YOU SIR! |
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| 23:22.09 | fritos1406 | lovin the wirc app for the pre :) |
| 23:22.18 | a2ny|work | rwhitby: what is webos-internals stance on frequency/smartreflex, own risk completely, even if they are hosted by our git ? |
| 23:23.06 | Templarian | rwhitby_: did the icon fit the applications needs? |
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| 23:24.47 | jauderho | I'm very confused now. ever since I updated to 1.3.1, the pre has been randomly rebooting. it'll be sitting there then out of nowhere. reboot. |
| 23:25.41 | Templarian | jauderho: probably a haywire patch. |
| 23:26.08 | bpadalino | i am not sure, but i think the logs should at least be around ? |
| 23:26.13 | Templarian | doesn't think he used the word "haywire" correctly. |
| 23:26.15 | fritos1406 | so I read that the smartreflex patch say do not install..are they dangerous to install or is it just a heads up |
| 23:26.27 | tmzt | what logs? |
| 23:26.37 | rwhitby | Templarian: the icon filename on the wiki was what I was correcting |
| 23:27.11 | Templarian | oh. |
| 23:27.38 | CTLAdvance-work | asks Templarian haywire this up for me |
| 23:27.41 | CTLAdvance-work | oy |
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| 23:27.48 | rwhitby | a2ny|work: everything that anyone ever does is at their own risk. that's part of the MIT license. |
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| 23:28.17 | jauderho | switching computers. |
| 23:28.48 | Templarian | rwhitby: fixed. |
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| 23:28.59 | a2ny|work | got it, I will be updating the wiki on it here soon, I have found some info regarding ondemand and SR |
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| 23:34.01 | xorg | thanks Templarian for the mvapp icon! |
| 23:34.42 | xorg | mvapp |
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| 23:42.08 | Templarian | xorg: you think it's obvious enough the arrow is pointing to a storage device? |
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| 23:42.36 | Jack87 | dBsooner, ping |
| 23:42.40 | Templarian | I was going to try a folder, but wasn't sure if it would give the same impression. |
| 23:43.41 | xorg | Templarian: I suppose it looks more like a computer... how about an SD card, which the media drive simulates... |
| 23:44.12 | Jack87 | ok so here is a patching question.... i figure with the iphone like messaging app you can install personal avatar without the need of the personal avatar patch... does that sound right? |
| 23:44.34 | xorg | but the icon is ok as it is... i think most will get it. |
| 23:45.04 | Templarian | Yea we will just leave it if I go with anything else it will have overlayering. |
| 23:45.53 | xorg | go ahead and add to the mvapp package, i'll not in the thread about the new icon.. thanks again. |
| 23:46.02 | xorg | not=note |
| 23:46.48 | rwhitby | xorg: already done |
| 23:46.57 | xorg | thanks rod... |
| 23:48.11 | Jack87 | so how does one get personal avatar and iphone style messaging |
| 23:48.23 | Jack87 | doesnt seem to work well together |
| 23:49.28 | xorg | hmmm mvapp still show the linux icon |
| 23:49.34 | xorg | in preware |
| 23:49.47 | a2ny|work | does anyone know how to call powerd ? |
| 23:50.44 | en0x | holly shit |
| 23:50.46 | Mousey | powerd! powerd!! dinner's ready! |
| 23:50.52 | en0x | 1.5tb hard drives for 97 bucks on newegg |
| 23:50.54 | Jack87 | a2ny|home, start powerd |
| 23:50.55 | zsoc | Mousey, crap, i was almost done typing |
| 23:51.00 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 23:51.03 | zsoc | Mousey, my quip involved a phone number directory tho |
| 23:51.03 | en0x | let the black friday sale begin |
| 23:51.03 | en0x | :) |
| 23:51.04 | Mousey | en0x: wow, they wen't up |
| 23:51.16 | en0x | w00t how much were they? |
| 23:51.20 | Mousey | 75 |
| 23:51.20 | a2ny|work | Jack87: I want to call it, not start it |
| 23:51.25 | Mousey | oh. maybe i'm thinking 1tb |
| 23:51.25 | en0x | im talking about seagate 7200rpm |
| 23:51.29 | jauderho_ | en0x: what brand/model? |
| 23:51.31 | Mousey | i'd bite |
| 23:51.36 | Jack87 | a2ny|home, oh... |
| 23:51.37 | jauderho_ | nice... |
| 23:51.37 | a2ny|work | when its called it logs to messages |
| 23:51.43 | en0x | Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s |
| 23:51.48 | Mousey | zsoc: there are many ways to call powerd |
| 23:51.48 | en0x | jauderho_, ^ |
| 23:51.49 | jauderho_ | I should get some just to stockpile. |
| 23:51.56 | en0x | i'm gettin five |
| 23:51.57 | en0x | ;) |
| 23:52.04 | en0x | because 5 is the limit |
| 23:52.04 | en0x | :S |
| 23:52.15 | Jack87 | a2ny|home, im not sure... what are you trying to do |
| 23:52.21 | jauderho_ | the drives are cheap but the readynas enclosure is not =) |
| 23:52.31 | a2ny|work | just trying to get battery data faster |
| 23:52.34 | en0x | 2tb hitachi for 129 |
| 23:52.37 | en0x | jauderho_, ^ |
| 23:52.44 | a2ny|work | instead of waiting for the device to call powerd then write to logs |
| 23:53.42 | rwhitby | xorg: need to wait for autobuilder to build and push it |
| 23:53.45 | zsoc | a2ny|home, you could capture dbus and see the service request |
| 23:53.53 | xorg | rwhitby: ah, ok |
| 23:54.03 | rwhitby | xorg: try now |
| 23:54.06 | jauderho_ | en0x: nice |
| 23:54.14 | Mousey | wonders if d-feet could be ported |
| 23:54.18 | en0x | hitachi sux |
| 23:54.37 | Mousey | hitachi, who bought IBM's HDD business |
| 23:54.47 | Jack87 | a2ny|home, i will check on it for you |
| 23:54.49 | Mousey | DeskStar no doubt |
| 23:55.00 | rwhitby | egaudet: ping |
| 23:55.27 | jauderho_ | I usually get seagates, they have been good for me. although i did suffer 3 drive failures in one year in one computer. |
| 23:56.03 | xorg | rwhitby: restarted preware, mvapp still showing preware icon... still cached somewhere? |
| 23:56.20 | rwhitby | xorg: hmm. |
| 23:57.19 | jauderho_ | en0x: newegg's site is now sloooooooow |
| 23:57.40 | xorg | rebooting |
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| 23:58.18 | en0x | jauderho_, it was down for a while |
| 23:58.19 | en0x | :P |
| 23:58.29 | Jack87 | is it just me or does luna seem to restart faster |
| 23:59.05 | jauderho_ | Jack87: just you probably |
| 23:59.23 | jauderho_ | en0x: they need cloud computing!!! =) |
| 23:59.41 | Jack87 | jauderho_, haha thanks just checking |
| 23:59.54 | en0x | hehehe |
| 23:59.55 | jauderho_ | no worries =) |