| 00:00.10 | rwhitby | dBsooner: add the tag on the branch |
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| 00:00.22 | rwhitby | where the commit is |
| 00:00.25 | dBsooner | ok |
| 00:00.45 | dBsooner | so I'd have to push --tags from branch |
| 00:00.50 | dBsooner | then move to master, tag it there too |
| 00:00.56 | rwhitby | if the file is the same for 1.2 and 1.3, then you can tag on master. if it's different (and therefore you needed to commit it on the branch) then tag on the branch. |
| 00:00.56 | dBsooner | or can I have two tags? |
| 00:01.18 | rwhitby | a tag is just an alias for a commit id |
| 00:01.20 | dBsooner | so technically, i would have two separate tag version #'s |
| 00:01.21 | dBsooner | gotcha |
| 00:01.35 | dBsooner | 1.3.1-8 would be on the master for all the ones i pushe dto master that are same for 1.3.1 and 1.2.1 |
| 00:01.47 | dBsooner | and 1.3.1-9 would be pushed on webos-1.3.1 for the ones that are DIFFERENT on 1.3.1 |
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| 00:02.15 | rwhitby | yep. I find that easier than trying to cherry-pick from one branch to the other just so all the 1.3 tags are on the 1.3 branch |
| 00:02.24 | dBsooner | gotcha |
| 00:02.39 | dBsooner | good thing I have only one 1.3.1 that is diff so far |
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| 00:02.49 | dBsooner | the other ones that aren't applying cleanly, I am going to leave for dev to do |
| 00:02.58 | dBsooner | OR.. i'll get to it when I get my new hard drive tomorrow |
| 00:03.14 | dBsooner | I ahve updated my spreadsheet btw. |
| 00:03.18 | rwhitby | oil: I can't see anything wrong with cookie fixUnknowns stuff - any theory on why it didn't work out of the box for xorg? |
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| 00:04.28 | oil | idk, it worked after update for me :/ |
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| 00:10.15 | doodums | http://i.imgur.com/OCLzJ.gif |
| 00:10.24 | doodums | oh damnit. wrong channel. |
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| 00:15.03 | oil | what channel was that intended for? |
| 00:15.31 | fearphage | is there a business card reader app? |
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| 00:15.39 | _droO | 4chan[nel] |
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| 00:15.56 | doodums | oil: an entirely different network, actually |
| 00:15.57 | fearphage | i was thinking that would be useful and a good starter project |
| 00:15.58 | doodums | ahah. |
| 00:16.31 | _droO | fearphage over bt? or |
| 00:19.10 | fearphage | _droO: from an image |
| 00:19.49 | _droO | yes, but sent by bt? |
| 00:20.18 | fearphage | by bluetooth? |
| 00:20.26 | _droO | yea |
| 00:20.29 | _droO | obex |
| 00:20.30 | fearphage | no, take a picture of a business card |
| 00:20.32 | fearphage | ocr |
| 00:20.40 | fearphage | or text recognition |
| 00:20.50 | fearphage | to make it a contact |
| 00:21.07 | _droO | oh :) |
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| 00:25.01 | fearphage | _droO: seen that before? |
| 00:25.10 | fearphage | i'm wondering how to go about it |
| 00:25.28 | fearphage | getting the image is drop dead simple |
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| 00:33.21 | _droO | do you know of any js ocr scripts? |
| 00:33.22 | _droO | ;o |
| 00:33.33 | rboatright | fearphage: on-pre ocr is going to be pretty processor intensive isn't it, even in C? |
| 00:33.34 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: ping |
| 00:33.48 | rboatright | as palm and sprint keep saying, embrace the cloud. |
| 00:34.04 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: ? |
| 00:34.16 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: I have a slew of "new files" i added to my working dir in git |
| 00:34.17 | rboatright | ~infobot slap Mousey |
| 00:34.18 | infobot | ACTION slaps Mousey, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 00:34.20 | dBsooner | but git status doesn't show some |
| 00:34.23 | Mousey | ow |
| 00:34.24 | Mousey | sorry |
| 00:34.36 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: it wont |
| 00:34.40 | dBsooner | and git add <file> doesn't do anything |
| 00:34.44 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: till you "git add ." |
| 00:34.47 | dBsooner | I did that |
| 00:34.57 | PuffTheMagic | are they getting clobbered by a .gitignore? |
| 00:34.59 | dBsooner | like it shows the .LICENSE |
| 00:35.05 | dBsooner | but not .patch |
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| 00:35.11 | dBsooner | nope |
| 00:35.16 | dBsooner | no .gitignores |
| 00:35.28 | PuffTheMagic | i never use git status |
| 00:35.30 | PuffTheMagic | so idk |
| 00:35.32 | dBsooner | lol |
| 00:35.39 | jauderho | rwhitby: ping |
| 00:35.43 | dBsooner | it just worries me that they won't be sent in the push |
| 00:35.46 | dBsooner | or the commit |
| 00:35.50 | PuffTheMagic | well... |
| 00:35.53 | dBsooner | how do I check the tracking status? |
| 00:36.01 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 00:36.04 | PuffTheMagic | what i do |
| 00:36.04 | rwhitby | jauderho: syn|ack |
| 00:36.05 | dBsooner | to see if those files are actually in the track? |
| 00:36.06 | PuffTheMagic | when im not sure |
| 00:36.09 | PuffTheMagic | it just commit them |
| 00:36.13 | PuffTheMagic | then use git show |
| 00:36.17 | PuffTheMagic | and look at the diff |
| 00:36.21 | dBsooner | ok |
| 00:36.23 | PuffTheMagic | to make sur eeverything was included that i wanted |
| 00:36.34 | PuffTheMagic | then if there is extra cruft |
| 00:36.43 | PuffTheMagic | i save the diff somewhere |
| 00:36.47 | PuffTheMagic | and/or the files |
| 00:36.50 | PuffTheMagic | in a temp dir |
| 00:36.50 | jauderho | rwhitby: is there a bug with the installed version field on preware? it seems to reflect the version available for install (newer) than the currently installed ver. |
| 00:36.55 | PuffTheMagic | then i git reset --hard <commitid> |
| 00:37.05 | PuffTheMagic | where commit id is the commit before my messed up commit |
| 00:37.06 | dBsooner | ok |
| 00:37.10 | PuffTheMagic | then i copy back the good files |
| 00:37.14 | PuffTheMagic | and re commit |
| 00:37.20 | jauderho | for example, when I was updating preware yesterday. it showed 0.9.6 in both fields even though I was still on 0.9.5 |
| 00:37.31 | dBsooner | ok |
| 00:37.43 | rwhitby | jauderho: quite possibly. oil and I have been trying to track that one down for a long time. |
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| 00:38.02 | jauderho | okay. just wanted to make sure I wasnt seeing things |
| 00:38.02 | rwhitby | jauderho: you don't have any testing feed enabled, and have not manually installed any alpha versions? |
| 00:38.12 | jauderho | no testing feed enabled |
| 00:38.18 | jauderho | no alpha versions installed |
| 00:38.27 | jauderho | I have occasionally installed via cmdline |
| 00:38.38 | jauderho | but do the whole bit as listed on the wiki |
| 00:39.09 | rwhitby | jauderho: sounds like a real bug. Can you do a dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice for us that covers Preware startup? |
| 00:39.28 | jauderho | strange though I thought 0.9.6 was supposed to remove the app space limit? I still get no space to install errs |
| 00:39.54 | rwhitby | jauderho: how much free space do you have in /var ? |
| 00:40.29 | jauderho | hold on. I'm doing the capture |
| 00:40.30 | rwhitby | if less than 100MiB, you've hit the safety limit and need to either increase /var size or use MvApp to move stuff to /media/internal |
| 00:41.21 | AMRCC | is runnin dbus-util too... already disabled all feeds and gets hung at fixin 1 of 78 |
| 00:41.54 | rwhitby | oil: I'm wondering whether we need a more user-friendly phrase than "Fixing Unknown Packages" - maybe "Importing Additional Package Data" or something? |
| 00:42.25 | rwhitby | AMRCC: excellent - we'll be interested in the trace. |
| 00:43.04 | jauderho | rwhitby: here is the pastebin, it's sizable http://webos.pastebin.com/d29b16e0f |
| 00:43.24 | jauderho | "Fixing Unknown Packages" sounds omnious |
| 00:43.49 | rwhitby | jauderho: ah, can you do a capture with only the webos-internals feed enabled? |
| 00:44.29 | AMRCC | k this time it did fixin 1...78 of 79 and is stuck there - should i swipe away preware first or get the cap while it is stuck |
| 00:44.40 | jauderho | rwhitby: ok |
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| 00:44.47 | jauderho | btw I have 54.8M free in /var |
| 00:44.54 | rwhitby | oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/d29b16e0f - see the end of that - are we pipelining the calls too deeply or something? |
| 00:45.16 | rwhitby | AMRCC: you need to start the capture before starting Preware |
| 00:45.25 | AMRCC | I did |
| 00:46.05 | AMRCC | preware is sittin at fixin...78 of 79 ...do you want to to close PW before getting the cap? |
| 00:46.56 | jauderho | gak. someone needs to write up a best practices doc for webos dev. seeing apps include their own copies of prototype.js, etc. |
| 00:47.25 | rwhitby | AMRCC: what's in the capture right now is fine, thanks. |
| 00:48.30 | rwhitby | AMRCC: webos.pastebin.com please |
| 00:48.38 | AMRCC | workin |
| 00:48.49 | rwhitby | AMRCC: thx - appreciated |
| 00:49.30 | rboatright | jauderho: that's in process actually |
| 00:50.38 | jauderho | rboatright: url? |
| 00:51.04 | rboatright | jauderho: off line for the time being |
| 00:51.10 | jauderho | the evernote app includes a translate.engine directory that does not seem to be used. (7.2M!) |
| 00:51.24 | jauderho | rboatright: okay |
| 00:52.19 | jauderho | whoa gdial pro now using the closure compiler. excellent. |
| 00:52.30 | gkatsev | yeah |
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| 00:55.04 | dBsooner | rwhitby ping |
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| 00:55.37 | rwhitby | dBsooner: yes |
| 00:55.43 | AMRCC | rwhitby: do I have to rw the vol first? ran it from /var/home/root |
| 00:55.58 | dBsooner | rwhitby: can you by chance pastebin me your modifications/.git/config file? |
| 00:56.11 | dBsooner | I have an a wierd warning that might be why I am having issue tagging 1.3.1 |
| 00:56.15 | rwhitby | AMRCC: nope - all dbus-util does is output text - it doesn't write to the filesystem |
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| 00:56.52 | AMRCC | ooo I ran from term...can I pipe it to a file? |
| 00:57.20 | rwhitby | AMRCC: best to use novaterm or WOSQI so you can cut and paste |
| 00:57.28 | AMRCC | k one sec |
| 00:58.56 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ? |
| 00:59.22 | AMRCC | typical...qi pooched on me...brb |
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| 01:03.12 | rwhitby | dBsooner: emailed |
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| 01:03.30 | dBsooner | rwhitby: thank you |
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| 01:04.57 | AMRCC | almost there... |
| 01:05.41 | dBsooner | rwhitby: exactly what mine says |
| 01:05.41 | dBsooner | hmm |
| 01:05.48 | dBsooner | wonder why I keep getting this message: |
| 01:07.03 | dBsooner | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/d214246de |
| 01:07.28 | dBsooner | i should probably do "git push master" |
| 01:07.37 | dBsooner | instead of "git push" |
| 01:08.04 | dBsooner | or set the global config 'push.default' to "current" |
| 01:09.28 | destinal | jauderho: hmm, does closure end up obfuscating in effect as well as optimizing? |
| 01:09.51 | jauderho | destinal: that's always a side effect in any js compressor |
| 01:10.24 | dBsooner | rwhitby: odd.. all the stuff I just pushed to master isn't there when I "git checkout webos-1.3.1" |
| 01:10.34 | jauderho | what I am curious about is the effect of javascript memory usage before and after using a compressor |
| 01:11.02 | AMRCC | while im waitin...the fixin message would get thru a different number for me different times...before i disabled all feeds it got stuck at 1 of 23...then 22 of 23 and I think I remember a 2 of 23...after disabled feeds it would get thru random nums between 1 and 79 |
| 01:11.11 | destinal | I bet you can tell a lot with d8 |
| 01:11.20 | destinal | (v8 engine debugger) |
| 01:11.45 | jauderho | destinal: possible to use inside the pre? |
| 01:11.52 | destinal | jauderho: yeah, it ships on the pre |
| 01:12.06 | jauderho | oh really. cool. will have to check it out |
| 01:12.34 | jauderho | oops. |
| 01:12.39 | jauderho | typing just d8 |
| 01:12.51 | jauderho | gives me a fatal error =) |
| 01:13.05 | destinal | hmm, you can try "debug" which is a shell script wrapper |
| 01:13.24 | rwhitby | AMRCC: yeah, that's what's leading me to believe it's some sort of limit or bug in luna messaging that we're unwittingly tickling |
| 01:13.38 | destinal | I've never used d8 with or without the wrapper so I don't know if it does what you want or not, but it would seem to make sense |
| 01:14.43 | AMRCC | k doctor finished downloading (i forgot I havnt run qi on this vm yet)...so qi command line and paste dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice correct? |
| 01:14.58 | AMRCC | then start pw |
| 01:15.52 | AMRCC | ? |
| 01:19.52 | AMRCC | rw...u there? |
| 01:20.30 | AMRCC | db how bout u |
| 01:20.46 | rwhitby | AMRCC: yep |
| 01:21.05 | rwhitby | AMRCC: to get my attention, use 'rwhitby' rather than a contraction |
| 01:21.32 | AMRCC | ko forgot bout the beeps |
| 01:21.57 | rwhitby | no beeps here, but a flag on an icon |
| 01:22.04 | AMRCC | so qi command line and paste dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice then start pw... correct? |
| 01:22.09 | rwhitby | yes |
| 01:22.32 | rwhitby | with qi command line, sometime the whole output is not shown until you disconnect the Pre for some reason. |
| 01:22.42 | AMRCC | the qi button says please wai.....k |
| 01:22.50 | AMRCC | disconnectin |
| 01:22.56 | rwhitby | so when it hangs, disconnect the USB on the pre and see if it outputs more |
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| 01:23.15 | AMRCC | yep pastinbin now |
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| 01:24.42 | AMRCC | crap now qi froze...ill try again... |
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| 01:25.38 | AMRCC | http://webos.pastebin.com/d47a4c21e |
| 01:26.04 | bpadalino | wow! lots of output |
| 01:26.50 | AMRCC | so on a side note...hows come it is so hard to find preware on precentral all of a sudden? |
| 01:27.13 | AMRCC | the thread i mean |
| 01:27.19 | rwhitby | AMRCC: looked in the webos-internals sub-forum? |
| 01:28.32 | jauderho | rwhitby: you only want the output of the webos-internals feed right? |
| 01:29.27 | rwhitby | jauderho: yep |
| 01:29.53 | AMRCC | bpadalino> gots lots of stuff on my pre :) |
| 01:29.55 | jauderho | okay |
| 01:29.59 | rwhitby | AMRCC: thanks - that's the info we need, there's not anything else you can provide now until we work out a hypothesis that needs testing. thanks for your help. |
| 01:30.06 | jauderho | hold on, gotta turn off a bunch of feeds |
| 01:30.08 | bpadalino | AMRCC, yeah it seems like it! |
| 01:30.26 | AMRCC | ko any time...likes helpin smart ppl |
| 01:31.09 | rwhitby | oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/d47a4c21e <- any idea about the permission denied errors? |
| 01:31.56 | jauderho | rwhitby: here you go http://webos.pastebin.com/d4cd012a3 |
| 01:31.59 | rwhitby | AMRCC: did you swipe to kill Preware before cutting and pasteing, or is that the exact state when Preware was still sitting there hanging? |
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| 01:32.23 | AMRCC | not to pile on...but...the Calendar default to month patch is still broke too |
| 01:32.32 | bpadalino | looks like "cancel" is when it starts popping up the error |
| 01:33.09 | bpadalino | what exactly is /com/palm/luna/private/cancel |
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| 01:33.34 | AMRCC | crap i did it three times and didn't keep it straight in my mem...I think I swiped it when I had to disconnect it. |
| 01:33.44 | AMRCC | want me to do it again? |
| 01:33.46 | quotemstr | Is it possible to configure the mail client to present a client SSL certificate? |
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| 01:34.00 | quotemstr | And by configure, I mean hack up. :-) |
| 01:34.14 | linuxnewb | hey guys |
| 01:34.15 | rwhitby | AMRCC: yes please - I'm interested in the last line while it is still hung |
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| 01:34.39 | jauderho | oops. left by mistake |
| 01:34.43 | linuxnewb | can someone please help me get my pre working with my linux box |
| 01:34.49 | rwhitby | AMRCC: all the lines from 234 onwards I think are after you swiped. |
| 01:34.56 | AMRCC | ko ... 1 sec. PS is there anything in all that dump that I should worry about postin there? |
| 01:35.16 | rwhitby | AMRCC: it only has the names of the apps you have installed. no other personal infomation |
| 01:35.23 | AMRCC | kewl |
| 01:35.44 | AMRCC | crap now someone is callin hang on |
| 01:35.54 | rwhitby | (and it has all the metadata associated with each of those apps, but assuming they are all publicly available apps then it's all public info) |
| 01:36.03 | linuxnewb | anyone here good with linux? |
| 01:36.18 | linuxnewb | been googling all day can't get anywhere |
| 01:36.46 | AMRCC | just wanted to make sure no cookies/usernames/pwds or phone nums are in there.... |
| 01:37.18 | AMRCC | i only set it to one day so it will automatically get deletd right? |
| 01:37.25 | linuxnewb | anyone? |
| 01:38.07 | bpadalino | linuxnewb, what is your question ? |
| 01:38.29 | AMRCC | so you want me to swipe or not? |
| 01:38.35 | dBsooner | did you all notice the size of the package lists? |
| 01:38.41 | dBsooner | I think the other day it was over 1000 |
| 01:38.43 | dBsooner | in Preware |
| 01:40.08 | rwhitby | AMRCC: nothing of that sort is in there. it's all messages to and from the Package Manager Service |
| 01:40.34 | rwhitby | AMRCC: don't swipe. capture, start preware, hang, disconnect, copy and pastebin |
| 01:40.55 | rwhitby | dBsooner: 1070+, but that's including 700+ themes |
| 01:41.00 | AMRCC | http://webos.pastebin.com/d609aa170 |
| 01:41.05 | dBsooner | yeah, I was including themes |
| 01:41.06 | dBsooner | lol |
| 01:41.22 | dBsooner | is punching himself for not "making" more often. |
| 01:41.38 | dBsooner | It's take for dang ever to download all these ipk's from prethemer. |
| 01:41.40 | rwhitby | AMRCC: that's perfect, thanks. |
| 01:42.06 | dBsooner | AMRCC: We clashed today.. and you didn't even know it |
| 01:42.11 | AMRCC | ps I have a few of the patches you mentioned in your post "packages that are installed but are not in any preware feed" |
| 01:42.54 | AMRCC | clashed? |
| 01:42.55 | dBsooner | I wasn't paying attention to the patches that had been submitted through the form ... I was thinking last night of a way to bypass the pin screen. |
| 01:43.06 | dBsooner | and I was in there and did the EXACT same thing you did |
| 01:43.46 | dBsooner | just did a 'this.unlock(); return;' in the setup the pin pad function |
| 01:43.52 | AMRCC | did I do the patch right? It was my first one... |
| 01:43.58 | dBsooner | AMRCC yep |
| 01:44.05 | dBsooner | The exact way I would ahve done it too |
| 01:44.12 | dBsooner | I went ahead and did it for 1.3.1 as well |
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| 01:44.21 | dBsooner | because 1.3.1 has different code base in that area |
| 01:44.27 | dBsooner | so it took a little bit of tweaking |
| 01:44.29 | AMRCC | kewl...many are waitin for it...possible to get it in the feed list promptly? :) |
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| 01:44.42 | dBsooner | it will be there in about 15 mins |
| 01:44.52 | AMRCC | gawd i love this shit |
| 01:45.13 | dBsooner | (I am waiting on MY build to finish to verify that the 1.2.1 and 1.3.1 are in deed DIFFERENT before I push my autobuild changes to the main server) |
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| 01:45.31 | dBsooner | doesn't want rwhitby eating him tonight. |
| 01:45.41 | AMRCC | tmi... |
| 01:45.48 | dBsooner | lol |
| 01:45.50 | dBsooner | not in that form |
| 01:45.52 | rwhitby | hasn't had lunch yet ... |
| 01:46.04 | dBsooner | Plus he's across the big bond |
| 01:46.06 | AMRCC | AMRCC had a carrot for lunch |
| 01:46.42 | AMRCC | going to get some food now...thanks for reminding me im hungry |
| 01:46.46 | dBsooner | lol |
| 01:46.47 | dBsooner | ok |
| 01:47.27 | linuxnewb | anyone know is slackware supports usb networking |
| 01:47.36 | dBsooner | rwhitby: this prethemer scraper doesn't download EVERY package each time does it? |
| 01:47.41 | dBsooner | it only gets NEW packages, correct? |
| 01:48.10 | dBsooner | linuxnewb: LOL.. name changed.. nice.. I don't know if slackware does or not. I know the debian flavors do |
| 01:48.17 | dBsooner | as well as gentoo |
| 01:48.59 | dBsooner | destinal, rwhitby, PuffTheMagic, egaudet, would probably be the ones to ask about that linuxnewb. |
| 01:49.21 | linuxnewb | thanks man |
| 01:49.31 | PuffTheMagic | linuxnewb: all linux distros do |
| 01:49.43 | dBsooner | see |
| 01:49.46 | dBsooner | you just gotta ping them |
| 01:49.58 | linuxnewb | well I'm going to usb tether my pre but using a wifi signal |
| 01:50.04 | dBsooner | (put their name in the message .. makes their irc go ding.. and a flash alert) |
| 01:50.18 | PuffTheMagic | linuxnewb: ummmm that dont make any sense, but good luck |
| 01:50.28 | rwhitby | AMRCC: so http://webos.pastebin.com/d609aa170 is the capture without a swipe? |
| 01:51.35 | rwhitby | AMRCC: is the output any shorter if you cut and paste before disconnecting? |
| 01:51.41 | linuxnewb | make sense? |
| 01:52.06 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: I think he meant he is going to use his Pre as a Wifi Card? |
| 01:52.11 | bpadalino | it looks like there's maybe a backlog of calls ? |
| 01:52.27 | bpadalino | the call stack may be getting too large and triggering luna to cancel the calls ? |
| 01:52.32 | linuxnewb | yes |
| 01:52.35 | linuxnewb | exactly |
| 01:52.52 | linuxnewb | I have comcast at home running into a wifi router |
| 01:52.59 | AMRCC | rwhiby yep |
| 01:53.25 | linuxnewb | now on this box I'm trying to use my pre as a usb wifi receiver basicly |
| 01:53.33 | AMRCC | cant cutnpaste b4 disconnectin |
| 01:53.34 | linuxnewb | make sense? |
| 01:53.39 | fearphage | do you know the wifi chipset of the pre? |
| 01:54.06 | linuxnewb | no I can prolly look it up though |
| 01:54.19 | linuxnewb | I'm using slackware 13 by the way |
| 01:54.25 | dBsooner | rwhitby: did you get my question on if the prethemer scraper just got new files, or if it pulled all? |
| 01:54.42 | PuffTheMagic | linuxnewb: there is a wiki posting that lists the exact modules/kernel config u need to do usbnet with the pre\ |
| 01:54.52 | rwhitby | dBsooner: new |
| 01:55.07 | dBsooner | rwhitby: sheesh.. how many does he add a day? |
| 01:55.11 | rwhitby | bpadalino: that's my working theory at the moment too |
| 01:55.23 | linuxnewb | guess not lol |
| 01:55.31 | rwhitby | dBsooner: none - he has an automated system where users submit |
| 01:56.05 | dBsooner | nice |
| 01:56.15 | rwhitby | AMRCC: ah, so you have to disconnect before qi will show any output? |
| 01:57.09 | AMRCC | yep...if I turn a feed back on it fixin message only was xof 20something...want me to do that? |
| 01:57.09 | rwhitby | bpadalino: my idea is to try and serialise the calls and responses, so only one outstanding call at a time, along with a preference to turn it off cause it will be slow. |
| 01:57.34 | bpadalino | good idea |
| 01:57.39 | rwhitby | AMRCC: is there any pattern to the X of Y? is X always Y-1 ? |
| 01:59.35 | AMRCC | mostly 1of or y-1 but I also saw 2of and 17of just after the "loadin packag...complete" message |
| 01:59.53 | AMRCC | have done it about 25 times now |
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| 02:00.26 | AMRCC | ps how can this be workin for max? |
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| 02:04.29 | rwhitby | AMRCC: it's working for lots of people - we haven't found the pattern for those it's not working for. |
| 02:04.43 | rwhitby | My guess it that it gets more likely the more app catalog apps installed. |
| 02:05.24 | rwhitby | AMRCC: can you start a poll of the people in the Preware thread who are having problems to see how many app catalog apps they have installed, and try and find a pattern? |
| 02:05.29 | AMRCC | lets see .... background....been usin qi since 1st ver...ran a coulpe emoney scripts to fix vk when it was broke...patched a few files manually.... |
| 02:05.46 | AMRCC | sure. |
| 02:06.31 | rwhitby | AMRCC: since it varies so much and only gets some people, I have to assume it's some limit that is being pushed rather than a broken file somewhere |
| 02:07.51 | AMRCC | is there an easy way to count app store apps? |
| 02:08.39 | rwhitby | AMRCC: the Y in X of Y is a good indicator, if all Preware feeds are enabled. |
| 02:09.11 | rwhitby | AMRCC: does that match reality for you? |
| 02:09.28 | AMRCC | so why was mine 23 when they were enabled but when i disabled the feeds it is 79 |
| 02:10.47 | the-gator | mine is 76 when i disable the feeds |
| 02:11.33 | AMRCC | just got stuck on 65 of 79 |
| 02:12.27 | AMRCC | canuck was only feed enabled for that one...now i am tryin only webos-int and webos-pat |
| 02:12.46 | rwhitby | AMRCC: I'm after Y when *all* feeds are enabled. |
| 02:12.54 | rwhitby | as you disable feeds, Y will increase |
| 02:13.10 | rwhitby | we're looking for the smallest Y, which will be app catalog apps |
| 02:13.25 | AMRCC | ok. do you want update feeds to manual or every launch? |
| 02:13.37 | AMRCC | mine was manual |
| 02:13.38 | rwhitby | as you disable feeds, any apps already installed add to Y |
| 02:14.01 | rwhitby | At the moment, my working theory is that update is not relevant to this problem. |
| 02:14.25 | rwhitby | AMRCC: have you ever had a successfull run through? |
| 02:15.06 | AMRCC | nope always stuck since 9.6 |
| 02:15.30 | AMRCC | just for info - with webos feeds Y is 48 |
| 02:15.41 | rwhitby | AMRCC: hmm - another theory is that it might be a certain package that is causing the hang. |
| 02:15.51 | the-gator | is there a place i can dowload 9.5 so i can at least remove some themes and patches? |
| 02:16.05 | AMRCC | more background...I never have installed a theme |
| 02:16.08 | rwhitby | the-gator: you can do that anyway in 0.9.6 - just access the app menu preferences |
| 02:16.39 | rwhitby | the-gator: oh, sorry, you mean actually remove packages, not feeds. |
| 02:16.53 | rwhitby | the-gator: you can use wosqi for that in the interim. |
| 02:17.26 | the-gator | i mean remove preware completly and install the earlier version before the update |
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| 02:18.01 | AMRCC | all feeds on = a long wait at downloadin info + fixin Y = 24 this time stuck at 23 |
| 02:18.16 | AMRCC | my launcher is goin WTF? |
| 02:18.33 | AMRCC | penguins eyes are gettin bloodshot too |
| 02:19.53 | AMRCC | again will all on ... X is stuck at 1 |
| 02:20.05 | rwhitby | the-gator: you can do that with wosqi too. ipkgs for all previous versions are in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/ |
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| 02:20.42 | rwhitby | AMRCC: so with the same feeds enabled, you got both X=1 and X=23 for Y=24 ? |
| 02:21.10 | AMRCC | yep .. and sometimes (not as often) something in between |
| 02:21.24 | AMRCC | 23 of 24 this time |
| 02:21.51 | AMRCC | oh ya and I hard rebooted a few times too |
| 02:22.45 | AMRCC | was checkin to see if it was goin back and forth between x=1 and x=23 and nope... 23 two times in a row |
| 02:22.50 | rwhitby | AMRCC: ok, this is a big ask, but can you try immediately after a reboot for a few times and see if it's repeatable? that would indicate whether X is related to memory usage or not |
| 02:23.04 | AMRCC | yep |
| 02:23.33 | rwhitby | I'll be offline for a number of hours now. |
| 02:23.35 | AMRCC | rebootin....and waitin.... |
| 02:24.05 | AMRCC | ko ill start the poll and post results of what happens after reboots |
| 02:24.28 | rwhitby | AMRCC: thanks for your help - it's very much appreciated. |
| 02:25.02 | AMRCC | whatever you guys need. my pre has an open door policy |
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| 02:26.00 | rwhitby | AMRCC: one last thing - can you do the capture in Terminal, and see whether the cancel and permission denied errors in the capture happen after the hang but before the disconnect, or whether they are caused by the disconnect? |
| 02:26.34 | rwhitby | AMRCC: I don't need the output, just need to know whether there are any cancel and denied lines before the disconnect happens |
| 02:26.44 | AMRCC | ko |
| 02:27.06 | the-gator | rwhitby: thanks! that did the trick............i'll wait and let you smart guys correct the update problem! |
| 02:27.34 | db___ | hey...I'm running the dbus-util command via putty so I can cut and paste if need be |
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| 02:28.18 | db___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.38 | AMRCC | just for kicks i just tried to install an app from the palm appcat and it gave the sorry not enug mem error |
| 02:29.05 | grndslm | sooo... there's an adblock patch for the browser?? |
| 02:29.06 | AMRCC | i hav not did the mem patch or the move patch |
| 02:29.10 | db___ | that is the last message from dbus-utils |
| 02:29.33 | grndslm | that's what the "tweak guide" said in the WOQI thread... there's an ad blocker, but i can't find it |
| 02:29.43 | db___ | the preware app is hung at fixing unknown packages 77 of 78 |
| 02:30.19 | grandebob | I get "package manager service is not running" |
| 02:30.28 | rwhitby | db___: thanks - are there 'cancel' calls before that? |
| 02:30.50 | AMRCC | rwhitby, if I run from term ... I don't have to have it connected...so is that valid? |
| 02:30.56 | grndslm | grandebob: you installed it? and restarted your pre? |
| 02:31.00 | rwhitby | AMRCC: yep, it's valid |
| 02:31.10 | db___ | rwhitby - looking |
| 02:31.31 | AMRCC | ko...typin very little linux commands.... |
| 02:32.07 | rwhitby | db___: are you able to look through the list of controlFile responses in the capture, and correlate them against apps you have installed, and see if any particular app is always causing the problem? |
| 02:32.38 | rwhitby | AMRCC: I think db___ has just confirmed that the denied errors at least occur, which means I'm expecting he will confirm the cancels occur too |
| 02:32.39 | grandebob | grndslm yah, i've rebooted, uninstalled, rebooted reinstalled, rebooted |
| 02:33.02 | db___ | well, would the numbers correspond to some installed apps? |
| 02:33.02 | grndslm | then i dunno |
| 02:33.27 | db___ | because it is the same message over and over with a different number in front |
| 02:33.33 | grndslm | soo... is there an adblock-ish patch for the browser or not? |
| 02:33.37 | grndslm | 'cause i want it!! |
| 02:33.38 | grandebob | locks up my usb on the PC too, webos quickinstall doesn't see my pre unless i reboot |
| 02:33.46 | db___ | I don't see and "cancels" unless they scrolled off |
| 02:33.53 | rwhitby | db___: the number is a transaction number which correlates with an earlier request |
| 02:34.16 | rwhitby | db___: increase putty scrollback to 99999 :-) |
| 02:35.36 | db___ | rwhitby looking for where I do that in my putty config |
| 02:35.51 | jauderho | rwithby: does preware use compression when fetching the feeds? |
| 02:35.52 | db___ | see it |
| 02:36.19 | AMRCC | rwhitby, how do i get terminal to show the output? |
| 02:36.34 | rwhitby | jauderho: gzip |
| 02:36.45 | jauderho | ah okay. just curious. |
| 02:36.55 | AMRCC | alls I get is the matching bus line |
| 02:36.56 | jauderho | did you see the second pastebin I posted? |
| 02:37.20 | db___ | 9981.577 PUB return 1793 1.779 org.webosinternals.ipkgservice com.palm.luna ëstring=â{"size":587,"returnValue":true,"contents":"Package: ws.junk.wirc\nVersion: 0.0.3\nArchitecture: all\nMaintainer: oil <>\nDescription: wIRC\nSection: System Utilities\nPriority: optional\nDepends: us.ryanhope.wircd\nSource: { \"Source\":\"git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/wIRC.git\", \"Feed\":\"WebOS Internals\", |
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| 02:37.24 | rwhitby | AMRCC: typo in the last argument? |
| 02:38.01 | AMRCC | checking... |
| 02:38.03 | rwhitby | jauderho: yeah, but no time to deal with that now sorry. |
| 02:38.24 | jauderho | rwhitby: no worries. just wanted to make sure you saw it |
| 02:38.29 | rwhitby | jauderho: thx |
| 02:38.32 | AMRCC | i'm willing to remove packages if you can find a suspect. The only one i don't want to loose is drpodder |
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| 02:39.02 | jauderho | argh. preware is now stuck "fixing unknown packages" |
| 02:39.08 | jauderho | wth |
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| 02:39.32 | AMRCC | u r correct..missed the n ... doover |
| 02:40.42 | db___ | rwhitby, the cancel messages start right after the stuff I just posted |
| 02:41.16 | jauderho | this is really strange. preware keeps getting stuck at different X of 43 packages... |
| 02:41.18 | rwhitby | AMRCC: I really don't think it's a specific package at the moment. |
| 02:41.35 | rwhitby | jauderho: welcome to my world :-) |
| 02:41.59 | jauderho | now it goes through just fine after I quit and restart preware |
| 02:42.02 | jauderho | ?!? |
| 02:42.18 | rwhitby | oil has given me pointers on how to serialise the calls so there is only one outstanding. I'll do that in 7 to 10 hours from now. |
| 02:42.23 | db___ | this is the first message AFTER the hang |
| 02:42.24 | db___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.41 | jauderho | okay. time for din-din. |
| 02:42.48 | AMRCC | wholly crap....data pourin in term... |
| 02:43.05 | AMRCC | fun to watch in mini card mode |
| 02:43.12 | db___ | don't think I could deal with term in the pre for this |
| 02:43.26 | AMRCC | i have good eyes |
| 02:43.43 | db___ | you need a sixth sense |
| 02:43.56 | AMRCC | i should have turned off the prethemer feed tho...it is crankin on that one... |
| 02:44.06 | rwhitby | ok guys, I'm out. thanks for all your help. AMRCC please feel free to convey any of these theories on the forum thread and gather any other info you think might be relevant. |
| 02:44.10 | db___ | I have all the feeds turned off |
| 02:44.25 | rwhitby | for this bug, turning off feeds will make it worse. |
| 02:44.32 | rwhitby | you want Y to be as small as possible |
| 02:44.40 | db___ | rwhitby, any method for removing patched prior to this weekend? |
| 02:44.43 | rwhitby | (that's my theory, anyway) |
| 02:44.47 | rwhitby | db___: EPR |
| 02:44.55 | rwhitby | is gone |
| 02:45.08 | AMRCC | rwhitby is a trooper :) |
| 02:45.38 | dBsooner | awesome! |
| 02:45.41 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping |
| 02:45.44 | dBsooner | dont' leave me yet |
| 02:45.56 | db___ | I guess I can load that with webOS quick install... |
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| 02:48.59 | AMRCC | oooo got somthing different when capturein from term...it hangs just after the first complete and b4 it gets to fixin phase. screen caps goin in forum now... |
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| 03:11.44 | linuxnewb | hey guys for a first timer what distro would you reconmend? |
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| 03:17.59 | ACap | linuxnewb: probably Ubuntu |
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| 03:18.32 | linuxnewb | cool I'll try it out |
| 03:18.43 | ACap | being a newb myself, it is all I've used recently |
| 03:19.56 | linuxnewb | yeh I'm trying slackware..kinda tricky |
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| 03:47.05 | ghjm | Did I miss the debug session for the Preware "fixing unknown packages" hang? |
| 03:52.48 | ghjm | Anyone here? |
| 03:53.12 | bpadalino | hi |
| 03:53.28 | bpadalino | rwhitby was working on something earlier .. not sure of the resolution |
| 03:55.26 | ghjm | I have the debug info that was asked for, guess I'll post it on the forums |
| 03:57.41 | bpadalino | good idea |
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| 04:06.16 | ghjm | Ok, I uploaded the dbus-util logs ... do you know of anything else helpful that I can do? |
| 04:06.28 | punzada | hmm, wonder if it would make sense/be plausible to add similar functionality (maybe it already exists with ipkg) similar to dpkg --get-selections so that after a doctor you could run the output through preware and quickly install the packages you previously had |
| 04:26.34 | ghjm | Is there an equivalent of ipkg-opt list_installed, only for Preware? |
| 04:27.04 | punzada | doubt it, I think preware uses the same service |
| 04:27.19 | punzada | well, uses the stock ipkg i think |
| 04:27.20 | ghjm | I mean, is it possible to generate a list of Preware installed packages from the command line? |
| 04:27.25 | punzada | not sure |
| 04:27.36 | oil | ipkg -o /var list_installed |
| 04:28.04 | punzada | ah |
| 04:28.07 | punzada | interesting |
| 04:28.10 | ghjm | Ah great |
| 04:28.24 | ghjm | I was close, I tried ipkg -o /opt list_installed :-) |
| 04:28.51 | punzada | and, damn jason for this youtube download mod, i'm going to fill up my pre now :P |
| 04:35.56 | sjanssen | has anyone done research on the contact syncing stuff? I'm wondering how easy it would be to hack the contacts app to only display a subset of facebook contacts |
| 04:36.19 | sjanssen | I don't need people I haven't talked to since elementary school in my address book :) |
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| 04:40.23 | Abyssul | dBsooner: ping |
| 04:41.52 | sdodson | sjanssen: why do you need them in facebook then? :) |
| 04:42.26 | sjanssen | sdodson: I still like to stalk them, I just won't need to call or email them ;) |
| 04:42.33 | Abyssul | Anyone have an idea what the bypassPINlock patch is for? |
| 04:42.37 | Abyssul | Doesnt seem to make sense |
| 04:43.24 | Templarian | Has anyone looked into how hard a patch to block specific sites would be? |
| 04:43.56 | Templarian | Just thinking the first person to write it and get it working blocking the large flash serving ad sites will get huge praise. |
| 04:44.49 | sjanssen | Templarian: the fastest way might be to change DNS/resolution to redirect those domains to localhost or something? |
| 04:54.14 | sjanssen | do most/any of the DBUS interfaces on webos support standard DBUS introspection? |
| 04:54.46 | bpadalino | not many if any |
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| 04:54.57 | bpadalino | we tried a long time ago .. maybe they've rebuilt with introspection |
| 04:55.04 | bpadalino | but i doubt they would do that :( |
| 04:55.09 | bpadalino | give it a shot if you want |
| 04:56.04 | sjanssen | just brainstorming, I haven't even bought my webos device yet |
| 04:56.06 | bpadalino | i had a thought today that might be interesting for someone to write .. a text-to-speech service might be interesting .. especially if it could play simultaneously with a notification sound |
| 04:56.19 | webby | I am stuck @ fixing unknow packages 19 of 20. Even after a reboot |
| 04:56.51 | webby | on prewre |
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| 04:58.08 | Abyssul_wIRC | Hmmm... |
| 04:58.30 | sugardave | What are "things that make you go?" |
| 04:59.31 | Abyssul_wIRC | Motivation? |
| 05:02.13 | bpadalino | nice jeopardy thing going on there |
| 05:03.06 | sugardave | he just made me think of that damn catchphrase |
| 05:03.15 | sugardave | or meme or whatever |
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| 05:04.17 | axmd | O_O wow |
| 05:04.22 | axmd | it worked |
| 05:04.53 | axmd | so cool :D |
| 05:05.03 | axmd | keep up the good work guys |
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| 05:09.14 | axmd | btw anyone know the status on video capture on the pre? |
| 05:10.52 | rboatright | axmd: it's doable but most programming effort appears to be waiting on the enabling of the graphics co-processor |
| 05:11.03 | rboatright | demo apps have been produced |
| 05:11.29 | sjanssen | dbus-util --monitor is super useful |
| 05:11.36 | axmd | oh okay I see so your waiting on palm |
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| 05:18.39 | rboatright | axmd: see the video capture page on the wiki |
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| 05:19.35 | axmd | ok |
| 05:19.53 | axmd | thanks rboat for answering my questions |
| 05:20.04 | axmd | g2g now peash :D |
| 05:20.11 | *** part/#webos-internals axmd (n=wIRCuser@72-60-198-60.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 05:20.28 | kesne | G'day |
| 05:21.44 | rboatright | welcome axmd -- there's a massive wealth of material on the wiki |
| 05:22.49 | ghjm | I just posted a workaround for the fixing packages hang. It's pretty dumb, it just disables fixing of packages. |
| 05:23.18 | rboatright | talk to rwhitby he's frantically debugging it |
| 05:23.33 | ghjm | Is he on? |
| 05:23.48 | ghjm | I also posted debug logs earlier this evening |
| 05:23.54 | rboatright | ye was a few minutes ago. but it's his work day. |
| 05:25.53 | ghjm | any idea of his timezone? |
| 05:26.37 | rboatright | adelaid australia, GMT + 9.5 it's just now going on 1600 there. |
| 05:27.21 | rboatright | you might try /join #wirc and see if they're chatting about it there |
| 05:29.16 | rboatright | since the discussion there seems lively |
| 05:29.30 | geist | oh weird, he's actually in one of the .5 timezones? |
| 05:29.53 | oil | its awesome |
| 05:30.01 | oil | i wish america had .5 timezones |
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| 05:31.40 | ghjm | ok will do thanks |
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| 05:41.16 | Jack1987 | hi all. testing out wirc. |
| 05:41.21 | ghjm | Hi |
| 05:41.39 | Jack1987 | sweet :) works like a charm |
| 05:41.59 | oil | :) |
| 05:42.34 | Jack1987 | sweet I even get devider line when I am viewing differt card and return |
| 05:42.40 | Jack1987 | very impressive oil ! |
| 05:43.10 | Jack1987 | egaudet: hehe auto complete name to:) |
| 05:43.13 | ACap | I agree, I was using it today at work. I haven't used IRC in years... |
| 05:43.31 | ACap | how does the auto-complete name work? |
| 05:43.48 | Jack1987 | even with notifications on the bottm so far so good |
| 05:43.55 | rboatright | hold gesture area with right thumb -- tap orange button with left hand -- autocomplete |
| 05:43.58 | oil | hold gesture, tap orange |
| 05:44.00 | Jack1987 | you type few letters then hit gesture orange |
| 05:44.16 | ACap | ah, ok cool, thx |
| 05:44.43 | Jack1987 | rboatright: I keep ding it wrong I do gesture with left thumb and orange with right I lose! |
| 05:44.51 | oil | lol |
| 05:44.56 | oil | it takes a few times to get it right |
| 05:45.03 | oil | i kept wanting to gesture with the left at first, too |
| 05:45.04 | oil | idk why |
| 05:45.36 | Jack1987 | haha ya the way rboatright said it is more practicale but I keep wanting to do it the other way |
| 05:46.15 | Jack1987 | ACap: the more you tap orange the more it shuffles through names till you get the right one |
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| 05:46.51 | ACap | cool. makes those complicated names much easier |
| 05:47.22 | ACap | I just love the whole "gesture + keyboard" combo that opens up so many shortcut possibilities |
| 05:47.48 | ACap | like in Terminal, using the numeric pad plus gesture gives arrow keys |
| 05:47.51 | Jack1987 | so oil the peforme on connection is the commands you want to take place such as auto joining a channel when you connect to server? |
| 05:48.05 | oil | right |
| 05:48.17 | Jack1987 | ACap: that's palm's idea but they don't take advantageof it |
| 05:48.24 | oil | 003 sometimes has a problem with it |
| 05:48.29 | oil | but 004 will be solid |
| 05:48.56 | maxima2k53 | anybody having trouble with the mark read-unread mods patch and the notification repeat for email patch? |
| 05:49.32 | Jack1987 | oil any tests with with battery life if wirc stays open? |
| 05:49.47 | oil | people have said they were going to test it |
| 05:49.50 | oil | i haven't seen any results |
| 05:49.53 | oil | it works ok for me |
| 05:50.01 | Jack1987 | someone say something directed to me I want to see what it shows |
| 05:50.01 | oil | but i never run it all day |
| 05:50.11 | ACap | ok, I'm a mIRC newb, is there a shortcut for putting someone's name in like wIRC? |
| 05:50.14 | oil | Jack1987: this is for you |
| 05:50.23 | Jack1987 | awesome thanks oil |
| 05:50.39 | oil | jack, checkout the prefs, there is a gazillion of them |
| 05:50.57 | Jack1987 | ACap: hit tab |
| 05:51.07 | ACap | Jack1987: thx |
| 05:51.12 | oil | basically, everytime there is an argument on something, or someone just doesn't like something |
| 05:51.20 | oil | a preference is created so both devs are happy |
| 05:51.57 | Jack1987 | haha good call oil. I'll have a blast exploring that |
| 05:52.26 | Jack1987 | ACap: I like xchat for irc on computer. look into it |
| 05:52.50 | ACap | Jack1987: will do, thx |
| 05:53.06 | Jack1987 | dark theme is spooky |
| 05:54.05 | Jack1987 | what is smart text? |
| 05:54.32 | Jack1987 | sorry oil remind me the channel for wirc I'll go there to keep this on topic |
| 05:55.05 | ghjm | it's #wirc but over there they're talking about webos internals :-) |
| 05:55.35 | gkatsev | lets talk about them then |
| 05:55.49 | Jack1987 | hahaha ghjm that's funny |
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| 06:01.07 | rwhitby | ghjm: hi |
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| 06:02.03 | shaunooh | Hey |
| 06:02.32 | oil | oh, Zuchmir2 has rejoined? |
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| 06:03.53 | sjanssen | has anyone run a Java decompiler over the luna services before? |
| 06:04.09 | Zuchmir2 | oil: hi |
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| 06:05.05 | ghjm | rwhitby: anything I can do to help with the preware package fix hang? |
| 06:05.16 | rwhitby | ghjm: can you write javascript? |
| 06:05.19 | Jack87_ | so I'm not having luck joining multiple using 'peforme on connect' |
| 06:05.35 | ghjm | Not well, but sorta |
| 06:06.59 | rwhitby | ghjm: since you're already changing package.js ... ;-) |
| 06:07.05 | ghjm | lol |
| 06:07.15 | ghjm | I just really needed it to work... |
| 06:07.41 | rwhitby | ghjm: we need to change the parallel grabbing of appinfo and control files into a serialised grabbing, cause we have a suspicion it's some parallel limit in luna dbus messaging |
| 06:08.07 | rwhitby | I'll be able to work on it in about 3-4 hours from now, but if someone else can do it early that would be very nice. |
| 06:08.30 | ghjm | Ok I'll see if I can figure out what that means :-) |
| 06:08.51 | ghjm | I'm GMT-5 so I'll have to go to bed before too long |
| 06:08.52 | rwhitby | ghjm: BTW, your debug logs support the theory we have (or at least are the same as the other logs on which we've based the theory) |
| 06:09.04 | ghjm | ok |
| 06:09.10 | ghjm | what are all the permission errors? |
| 06:09.36 | rwhitby | ghjm: I think the cancels are the problem - they are coming from the infrastructure, not from Preware or ipkgservice |
| 06:09.48 | rwhitby | and then I think the service is denying the weird cancels |
| 06:10.02 | rwhitby | I have no idea why the cancels appear. |
| 06:10.26 | rwhitby | but my theory is that all the queued outstanding service calls are hitting a limit somewhere |
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| 06:11.20 | punzada | Templarian: there's already a patch to block specific sites, it simply makes them resolve to localhost in the hosts file. |
| 06:11.40 | *** part/#webos-internals maxima2k53 (n=maxima2k@65.8.11.138) |
| 06:11.58 | Jack87_ | I think wirc will now be my main client for irc |
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| 06:12.01 | punzada | i mean it uses it's own list but it's not hard to simply edit them in |
| 06:12.13 | rwhitby | ghjm: I'm pushing a preference option right now - I'll get you to test that instead of your patch. |
| 06:13.35 | ghjm | ok |
| 06:15.03 | maxima2k53 | hey rod....i was about to test y preware hangs but it didnt work for me using the linux command...but thing is it barely happens |
| 06:15.09 | ghjm | since I can actually run preware to install the new preware :-) |
| 06:17.53 | Templarian | punzada: nice did not see this. :) |
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| 06:21.06 | gkatsev | night all |
| 06:23.41 | rwhitby | maxima2k53: what's the Y in X of Y for you? |
| 06:24.46 | AMRCC | hey guys any progress? Did you see that g posted a script that will temporarily shim pw? |
| 06:27.35 | rwhitby | AMRCC: autobuilder is releasing 0.9.7 with a Preference that does the same thing |
| 06:27.58 | AMRCC | sweet - you guys are good... |
| 06:28.10 | ghjm | I wouldn't have been able to serialize the requests, it would have taken me forever to even figure out which end is up in the code |
| 06:28.21 | oil | rwhitby: has anyone else tested that pref? |
| 06:28.29 | rwhitby | oil: just me |
| 06:28.35 | oil | worked without reinstall? |
| 06:28.37 | ghjm | I can test it if you like |
| 06:28.45 | rwhitby | oil: on emulator, yes. |
| 06:28.48 | oil | xorg had to reinstall to get it to work |
| 06:29.19 | rwhitby | oil: for those people with a 0.9.6 problem, it can't be worse, and for those with no problem, it won't matter :-) |
| 06:30.00 | oil | so why release 097 if its just a bandaid |
| 06:30.12 | oil | release 097 when it will work for everyone |
| 06:30.22 | oil | with the series change |
| 06:30.23 | rwhitby | oil: the pref will be there permanently |
| 06:33.43 | rwhitby | AMRCC: ghjm: 0.9.7 is in the feeds, |
| 06:33.45 | oil | maybe i just don't understand |
| 06:33.56 | oil | most people won't even attempt again till tomorrow |
| 06:34.05 | oil | and if you get serial fixing in before then |
| 06:34.12 | oil | releasing 097 now seems pointless |
| 06:34.19 | oil | if just to go to 098 a few hours later |
| 06:34.28 | oil | when only 1 or 2 people would get to 097 |
| 06:34.39 | oil | and those with a problem getting into preware to begin with |
| 06:34.43 | oil | will need to use quickinstall anyways |
| 06:34.45 | rwhitby | ah, but if something comes up and I don't get around to fixing it in the next 4 hours, then I'm asleep and they have 0.9.7 for the next 12 hours |
| 06:34.46 | oil | to get 097 |
| 06:35.39 | AMRCC | I test it out...no harm... I have to use qi to install tho. |
| 06:35.52 | rwhitby | and if I do get 0.9.8 out, then people will just see a 0.9.6 to 0.9.8 jump and say "meh - they jumped a number" |
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| 06:36.40 | rwhitby | oil: but you are right, it's a borderline temporary case. |
| 06:37.42 | ghjm | Is 097 up for download somewhere? Or do I have to wait for you to push it to the feed to test it? |
| 06:37.54 | oil | its in the test feed |
| 06:40.18 | rwhitby | ghjm: it's in the released feeds. |
| 06:40.26 | rwhitby | wosqi will get it by default |
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| 06:41.21 | rwhitby | oil: the other rationale was that anyone who upgrades Preware in the next 4 hours (e.g. Europe during the day or after work) will not experience the problem at all. |
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| 06:47.30 | ghjm | 097 works fine for me. |
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| 06:51.28 | Jack87_ | best of luck all. goodnight |
| 06:51.30 | fearphage | the camera is mechanically incapable of zooming right? software can't change that? or would the notion of digital zoom be possible? |
| 06:51.46 | oil | digital zoom is useless |
| 06:52.20 | Jack87_ | +1 to oil |
| 06:52.56 | fearphage | oh |
| 06:53.11 | fearphage | but real actual zoom is impossible? correct? |
| 06:53.20 | oil | right |
| 06:53.24 | Jack87_ | right |
| 06:53.40 | Jack87_ | fearphage: you can digital zoom all you want with a computer |
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| 06:54.34 | AMRCC | have the option to fix unknown pkgs default to off in 97 works great. Now I can install wrap pages ...yipee |
| 06:54.40 | Jack87_ | as well as outwward pinch for zoom on the pre itself. and even take a screenshot of zoomed it with orand+sym+p like cropping |
| 06:56.05 | Jack87_ | does that make sense fearphage |
| 06:56.52 | fearphage | so you can take a pic of the pic to get digital zoom? |
| 06:57.06 | fearphage | is there a global master key to take screenshots on the pre? |
| 06:57.33 | AMRCC | ps I realized i needed to go Doh! after I complained about the Calendar default view to month not working. I already had defaul to week installed. DOH! |
| 06:57.42 | Jack87_ | its not really digital zooming. more so cropping |
| 06:57.59 | fearphage | i see |
| 06:58.01 | fearphage | ok |
| 06:58.08 | Jack87_ | the screen shot key is orange button+sym+p all at once |
| 06:58.11 | fearphage | is there a screenshot key/key combo? |
| 06:58.25 | fearphage | hmmm... |
| 06:58.38 | fearphage | i need to look at the key map for the emu |
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| 06:58.52 | Jack87_ | but I feel like it will do what you are looking to fo |
| 06:59.22 | Jack87_ | oh... dunno about the emulator maybe rwhitby might give you a heads up there. |
| 06:59.29 | imjustabill | is anyone familiar with where email to/from/subject information is stored in the pre's database? |
| 07:00.04 | fearphage | i don't have the phone. i don't even know where most of the buttons you said were |
| 07:00.56 | rwhitby | AMCC, ghjm: can you please post that 0.9.7 fixes it for you? |
| 07:01.09 | AMRCC | yep |
| 07:01.12 | ghjm | sure |
| 07:01.16 | rwhitby | thanks guys. |
| 07:02.00 | rwhitby | I've never taken a screenshot in the emulator. Only *of* the emulator using the host window screen shot facility. |
| 07:02.16 | fearphage | yea, that's what i do as well |
| 07:03.17 | AMRCC | done |
| 07:03.57 | AMRCC | i use ok+shft+p |
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| 07:04.31 | AMRCC | since the last os update...it saves two vers .png and .jpg |
| 07:04.48 | oil | wrong |
| 07:04.59 | oil | it always saved two |
| 07:05.08 | oil | the last updated included support to view pngs in the picture app |
| 07:05.11 | oil | so now you see two |
| 07:05.25 | AMRCC | yep you are correct - the pngs were hiding before |
| 07:05.26 | Jack87_ | well fearphage if you figure it out let us know |
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| 07:05.43 | fearphage | ok |
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| 07:12.32 | rwhitby | breaths out with a sigh of relief now that the new Preware version in the feeds should first do no harm :-) |
| 07:13.17 | rwhitby | I really need to set up a wider alpha testing system. I guess we need a preware-testers mailing list or something. |
| 07:13.17 | oil | 096 should have been tested more |
| 07:13.22 | oil | xD |
| 07:13.33 | PuffTheMagic | pfft... testing |
| 07:13.41 | oil | when we get feed adding ability in |
| 07:13.43 | PuffTheMagic | who needs that |
| 07:13.47 | oil | we can have people add the testing feed if they want to test |
| 07:14.09 | rwhitby | oil: I've been considering putting the testing feed in ipkgservice, but disabled by default on each install (even if the user has enabled it) |
| 07:14.24 | edektor | are there docs got the wiki for the mediaDB service? |
| 07:14.32 | oil | but there should be instructions along with using it |
| 07:14.47 | rwhitby | oil: yeah, you're right. so manual instructions are better. |
| 07:14.49 | oil | for example, we don't want aunt minnie just turnin it on |
| 07:18.14 | rwhitby | AMRCC: nice screenshot - watch out or you'll get a job as Preware documentation manager ... ;-) |
| 07:20.48 | AMRCC | is duckin...It sounded like milominderbinder was whippin the docs up...I have no prob helpin tho....(i can proof with the best of them)... |
| 07:21.30 | AMRCC | ooooo ... loves the card wrappin |
| 07:22.19 | AMRCC | dbsooner still here? |
| 07:23.51 | AMRCC | whos incharge of the main wiki page? Need someone to change the irc link to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=webos-internals, otherwise firefox tries to use a client that don't work |
| 07:26.34 | rwhitby | AMRCC: done |
| 07:26.51 | AMRCC | that was cool I watched it change.... |
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| 07:30.11 | AMRCC | no db :( there are a couple more one line patches we need - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Disable_Various_Call_Sounds |
| 07:30.21 | AMRCC | the friggen end call sound drives me nuts |
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| 07:46.29 | dommytu | ghf |
| 07:46.46 | dommytu | fgvnm |
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| 07:53.54 | AMRCC | gnite |
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| 09:17.42 | imjustabill | does anyone know how the com_palm_mail_Email and _EmailRecipient database tables are related? |
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| 09:28.04 | jauderho | rwhitby: is the git master branch for 1.2.1 or 1.3.1? |
| 09:28.15 | rwhitby | 1.2.1 |
| 09:28.22 | jauderho | okay thanks |
| 09:28.27 | rwhitby | there is a webos-1.3.1 branch |
| 09:28.42 | jauderho | nah. I'm just going to try it for 1.2.1 for now. |
| 09:28.48 | jauderho | make sure it works first |
| 09:34.01 | jauderho | rwhitby: is quilt still the preferred way for creating a patch? |
| 09:36.13 | rwhitby | jauderho: quilt on the emulator is probably easiest |
| 09:36.27 | rwhitby | or git on the emulator will do too |
| 09:36.40 | rwhitby | or git on an unpacked doctor (but harder to test that one on the fly) |
| 09:36.53 | jauderho | nah I'll just do it on the device =) too lazy to set things up on the emulator. |
| 09:39.43 | rwhitby | jauderho: do you still have hangs when fixing uknown packages in Preware? |
| 09:40.04 | jauderho | it didnt hang after I upgraded to 0.9.7 |
| 09:40.07 | jauderho | but I only tried once |
| 09:40.23 | rwhitby | jauderho: if you turn on the preference to fix unknown types, does it hang? |
| 09:40.35 | jauderho | trying |
| 09:41.50 | jauderho | seems to work now |
| 09:42.12 | jauderho | although the Available Other -> Unknown is still misleading no? |
| 09:42.18 | rwhitby | jauderho: so you can't reproduce the problems from 0.9.6 ? |
| 09:42.26 | jauderho | seems to be okay now |
| 09:42.38 | jauderho | my problem was not the hang |
| 09:42.55 | jauderho | it was the showing avail version as installed ver |
| 09:43.37 | jauderho | and I cant check that till there is an update in the feed for me to test against. |
| 09:46.23 | jauderho | oh noes |
| 09:46.30 | rwhitby | jauderho: ah, that problem is not fixed, sorry. |
| 09:46.47 | rwhitby | I thought you had the hang as well. |
| 09:46.52 | jauderho | if there is a file that already has a .webosinternals.orig |
| 09:46.59 | jauderho | I did have the hang. that seems to have gone away. |
| 09:47.14 | rwhitby | does it come back with the preference set to yes? |
| 09:47.36 | jauderho | if there is a file that already has a .webosinternals.orig, if I create another patch against the original file, will it be handled properly? |
| 09:47.51 | jauderho | rwhitby: yes it comes back with the pref set to yes |
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| 09:48.16 | jauderho | e.g. I have the following two files |
| 09:48.17 | jauderho | ./app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js |
| 09:48.17 | jauderho | ./app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig |
| 09:48.46 | jauderho | I want to diff securityconfig-assistant.js again for a different patch |
| 09:50.01 | rwhitby | jauderho: can you test a new preware version from the testing feed to see if it fixes the hang? |
| 09:51.49 | jauderho | I guess but I'm in the middle of trying to decipher this brightness control thing. |
| 09:51.51 | jauderho | =) |
| 09:57.32 | rwhitby | jauderho: when it's convenient, can you test http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.8_all.ipk ? |
| 09:57.45 | rwhitby | you need to run it with the preference on, and see if it stops the hang. |
| 09:58.26 | rwhitby | and if possible, capture the dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice before and after upgrading |
| 09:58.45 | rwhitby | so we can see the trace when it hangs, and then the same trace if it is fixed |
| 09:58.56 | rwhitby | cause neither oil nor I can get it to hang ever. |
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| 10:01.34 | timboy | I want to change the number that the speed dial for voicemail calls |
| 10:02.03 | timboy | anyone know how? |
| 10:02.27 | jauderho | rwhitby: okay |
| 10:02.31 | jauderho | argh |
| 10:02.42 | jauderho | this code is making my head hurt |
| 10:03.16 | jauderho | not to throw undue hate but some of the code in some of the apps are outright painful to read. |
| 10:03.28 | jauderho | at least to a non JS ninja like me. |
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| 10:16.06 | jauderho | rwhitby: do you know if anyone has tried mounting an emulator fs on the host machine i.e. mac? trying to edit some of these files with just vi without syntax highlighting is proving to be painful (especially since they are not consistently indented). |
| 10:18.05 | rwhitby | jauderho: just unpack the doctor |
| 10:18.27 | jauderho | eh? |
| 10:18.46 | jauderho | how? |
| 10:18.52 | jauderho | unzip? |
| 10:22.32 | rwhitby | I have a python script for it if you like. |
| 10:23.04 | jauderho | nah. I just went through and started unziping and untarring things =) |
| 10:23.04 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor |
| 10:23.22 | jauderho | that's not python =P |
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| 10:27.12 | jauderho | I dont suppose you know how to use komodo? |
| 10:27.38 | jauderho | trying to figure how to import an existing webos app into komodo as a project |
| 10:28.11 | rwhitby | jauderho: oh, right - yeah, I've been trying to write more scripts in python to get more experience in it, so I just assumed I did that one in it :-) |
| 10:28.24 | rwhitby | jauderho: Templarian is the komodo expert. |
| 10:28.33 | jauderho | yeah I'll ask tomorrow then. |
| 10:28.55 | jauderho | i still like my perl, python just seems so foreign. |
| 10:29.13 | jauderho | by unfortunately python seems to have won the scripting war. |
| 10:29.32 | rwhitby | jauderho: I've written probably more than 50K lines of perl, and probably 500 lines of python. |
| 10:29.40 | jauderho | heh |
| 10:30.13 | jauderho | same here. it's like pulling teeth for me to "think in python" maybe I should actually pick up a python book. |
| 10:30.53 | jauderho | i do have a horribly mangled python script that trawls delicious for a keyword and generates an OPML file though |
| 10:31.24 | jauderho | become an instant expert in any keyword =) |
| 10:31.29 | rwhitby | jauderho: all the preware autobuilder scraper scripts are in python |
| 10:31.56 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=scripts |
| 10:32.06 | jauderho | hmm. bed or should I try tackling python-twitter? |
| 10:32.15 | rwhitby | that's about the extent of my python experience :-) |
| 10:32.50 | jauderho | I want a script that checks an account that I have autofollow set and unfollow everyone that posts via API or twitterfeed |
| 10:33.10 | jauderho | that should get rid of most of the spam accts. |
| 11:06.03 | rwhitby | is quite disappointed that 0.9.8 does not fix the problem for JoshMend on the forums :-( |
| 11:06.25 | rwhitby | good thing I released 0.9.7 earlier ... |
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| 11:43.48 | Azalyn | stupid ISP is reworking the cable in my neighborhood, good thing i have MyTether on the pre |
| 11:44.12 | Azalyn | surprisingly getting pretty good reception even though i'm in the basement |
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| 12:07.13 | fearphage | rwhitby: what problem is that? |
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| 12:09.20 | rwhitby | fearphage: the hang |
| 12:10.02 | fearphage | you mean hanging like a g-dawg on the fly tip flossin with the posse? |
| 12:10.20 | rwhitby | um, right. |
| 12:10.44 | fearphage | :) |
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| 13:01.01 | dBsooner | any linux gurus here? |
| 13:01.18 | en0x | nah |
| 13:01.22 | en0x | i'm so hangover |
| 13:01.23 | en0x | :S |
| 13:01.28 | dBsooner | lol |
| 13:01.51 | dBsooner | I am trying to figure out where chown get's its UID/PID"s from |
| 13:01.59 | dBsooner | s/PID/GID/ |
| 13:02.11 | en0x | dBsooner, from passwd and group in /etc ? |
| 13:02.18 | dBsooner | my passwd file and group file both show the user to be 503 |
| 13:02.23 | dBsooner | and group to be 503 |
| 13:02.28 | en0x | id user |
| 13:02.42 | en0x | yes and what about it |
| 13:02.43 | en0x | ? |
| 13:02.43 | dBsooner | but when I chown 503:503 FILE it sets the group right, but not the user |
| 13:02.53 | en0x | why dont u use |
| 13:02.58 | dBsooner | i did that |
| 13:03.00 | en0x | chown user:group |
| 13:03.03 | dBsooner | I did that |
| 13:03.04 | en0x | instead of ID |
| 13:03.13 | dBsooner | because then I get permission problems |
| 13:03.20 | en0x | i cant think yet |
| 13:03.23 | en0x | give me 2 hrs |
| 13:03.36 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 13:03.40 | dBsooner | id <user> |
| 13:03.43 | dBsooner | says bad things |
| 13:03.48 | en0x | hy sa? |
| 13:03.51 | en0x | why so* |
| 13:04.03 | dBsooner | [root@deluge etc]# id dbtrunk |
| 13:04.03 | dBsooner | uid=504(dbtrunk) gid=504(myflicklist) groups=504(myflicklist) |
| 13:04.16 | en0x | h mm |
| 13:04.22 | dBsooner | I want that to be uid=503(dbtrunk) gid=503(dbtrunk) groups=503(dbtrunk) |
| 13:04.28 | dBsooner | which is what the passwd/group files show |
| 13:04.41 | en0x | thats weird |
| 13:04.42 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.42 | en0x | uid=1001(portman) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel) |
| 13:04.45 | en0x | :} |
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| 13:08.13 | dBsooner | is there a user map or something? |
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| 13:16.05 | dBsooner | there |
| 13:16.06 | dBsooner | fixed |
| 13:16.18 | dBsooner | usermod -u 503 -o -g dbtrunk dbtrunk |
| 13:16.19 | dBsooner | :) |
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| 14:10.27 | Epyon22 | oooo really liking the irc app |
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| 14:48.16 | nt4cats | Good morning, chickens |
| 14:50.12 | FreeTim3 | preCluck |
| 14:52.05 | nt4cats | FreeTim: growing up in my family "chickens" was a term of endearment (usually used for children) -- and given that I'm older than many of the people here not named RIck -- it was the first thing that came to mind |
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| 14:56.11 | FreeTim3 | really LOL how ancient are you ? I'm 45 |
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| 16:14.09 | dBsooner-work | I think Precentral is violating the 1.3.1 NDA |
| 16:14.34 | sugardave | where? |
| 16:14.52 | dBsooner-work | Dieter posted "changes found in 1.3.1" |
| 16:15.02 | sugardave | oops |
| 16:15.21 | en0x | well its all known |
| 16:15.42 | dBsooner-work | i know... but there is specifically an NDA for a reason |
| 16:15.42 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 16:16.03 | en0x | who cares |
| 16:16.04 | en0x | :p |
| 16:16.08 | dBsooner-work | Me..? |
| 16:16.19 | en0x | well so u r the only one who cares |
| 16:16.19 | en0x | :p |
| 16:16.25 | dBsooner-work | because I don't want palm getting mad about "leaked" stuff and decide not to give out the SDK early anymore. |
| 16:16.31 | dBsooner-work | No, i am sure everyone in here cares. |
| 16:16.48 | dBsooner-work | Or everyone that has the SDK early and is using it for good use. :D |
| 16:17.38 | sugardave | <breakfast club>I care</breakfast club> |
| 16:18.55 | sugardave | instead of that crap, he should moderate some apps :D |
| 16:19.29 | dBsooner-work | yeah |
| 16:24.08 | bpadalino|work | dBsooner-work: well, he was doing it under a pixi review, right? so it seems like it's more about the pixi than the advance release of the SDK |
| 16:24.30 | bpadalino|work | engadget talked about 1.3.1 a bit as well in their pixi review |
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| 16:25.27 | dBsooner-work | mmk |
| 16:25.35 | dBsooner-work | I didn't read it as pixi review |
| 16:26.01 | xalbo | I saw two separate articles, one on 1.3.1 and one on the Pixi, with links between them. |
| 16:26.38 | dBsooner-work | Yeah, that's what I saw. |
| 16:26.57 | dBsooner-work | the webos-1.3.1 "what's new" article mentions nothing about "Pixi" |
| 16:27.04 | dBsooner-work | or SDK for that matter. |
| 16:27.08 | bpadalino|work | yeah - but in the pixi article he says palm let them use 1.3.1 ... so it would seem he is fine |
| 16:27.29 | dBsooner-work | Yeah, with his in's at palm, I am almost positive he cleared it first. |
| 16:27.37 | dBsooner-work | *Now that I think about it.* |
| 16:28.07 | dBsooner-work | is rwhitby the only one with access to the webos-internals twitter? |
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| 16:29.46 | addiarmadar | Hello anyone else having issues with preware installing themes?? |
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| 16:31.00 | addiarmadar | Snap am I the only person here? |
| 16:31.40 | sugardave | yep |
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| 16:34.47 | addiarmadar | Has anyome rann into install issues of themes with preware lately? |
| 16:35.30 | sugardave | I've never installed a theme |
| 16:36.32 | FreeTim3 | never cared about themes... haven't installed any of them |
| 16:38.25 | sugardave | aren't they a PITA anyway, have to remove them before you update webOS? |
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| 17:04.24 | wIRCer | hey |
| 17:04.39 | egaudet_work | sup kesne |
| 17:07.53 | kesne | how goes it? |
| 17:07.53 | kesne | wirc finally works now in my pre |
| 17:07.53 | kesne | it didn't for a while |
| 17:08.18 | egaudet_work | :) |
| 17:08.33 | egaudet_work | you have an odd pre :P |
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| 17:08.50 | kesne | some issues with devmode, novacom and some other stuff... |
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| 17:17.52 | hertzi_wirc | hey |
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| 17:23.24 | Will-Jitsu | test |
| 17:24.36 | Will-Jitsu | has anyone had any problems getting wIRC to join #wirc? when I try, nothing happens. |
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| 17:28.42 | egaudet_work | multiple auto-join has issues in 0.0.3 |
| 17:28.56 | Will-Jitsu | this is a manual join |
| 17:30.25 | egaudet_work | you are in #wirc |
| 17:33.12 | WillJ_ | strange. it did not create a card. also my original nickname is still in use from this morning. does it not disconnect properly if you swipe the program closed? |
| 17:33.37 | egaudet_work | it should, there may be some rare disconnect issues |
| 17:34.01 | egaudet_work | lots of work done for 0.0.4 release so we'll have to re-visit that |
| 17:34.11 | WillJ_ | hmm. is there a way to leave #wirc without having a window open? |
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| 17:39.03 | tlp | Preware is stalled on "fixing unknown packages." I've never seen that before. |
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| 17:59.38 | Wiz1999 | rwhitby: You around? |
| 18:00.17 | nt4cats | isn't it the middle of the night in rwhitby-land? |
| 18:00.24 | Wiz1999 | I think it might be... |
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| 18:00.44 | Wiz1999 | Trying to collect the dbus trace for him that he requested on the PreCentral forums... |
| 18:00.46 | nt4cats | It is really rude of him not to have the common courtesy to live in the USA ... |
| 18:01.08 | Wiz1999 | The command he posted to collect the trace doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 18:01.17 | Wiz1999 | I get this:$ dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice 2>&1 >/tmp/trace.log Time Prot Type Serial Length Sender Destination Method Payload (matching bus containing 'org.webosinternals.ipkgservice') ERROR: Unable to connect to public bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the mess |
| 18:01.27 | Wiz1999 | Anyone else know anything about this? |
| 18:01.53 | Wiz1999 | (line breaks didn't work so well in that output) |
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| 18:04.49 | nt4cats | Wiz: I don't know much about dbus, so I probably can't help -- but were you root when you ran that command? |
| 18:05.45 | Wiz1999 | Just realized I wasn't... |
| 18:05.56 | Wiz1999 | Even as root it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 18:08.21 | xalbo | What is the /etc/resolv.conf on a stock Pre? I think vpnc may have hosed mine. |
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| 18:10.22 | nt4cats | xalbo: hold on I'll look at mine ... |
| 18:10.40 | xalbo | thanks |
| 18:11.22 | nt4cats | root@castle:/var/home/root# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:11.23 | nt4cats | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:12.04 | nt4cats | xalbo: don't tell anyone my hosname is 'castle'. That is very secret. |
| 18:12.55 | xalbo | I'll be sure to have fun storming it. |
| 18:12.57 | xalbo | Thanks! |
| 18:13.00 | sugardave | nt4cats: pwned |
| 18:13.32 | nt4cats | sugardave: ... and if people know my IP address is 127.0.0.1 they'll probably start a bunch of DOS attacks against that, too -- so let's keep that between the two of us |
| 18:14.58 | sugardave | how much is it worth to you? |
| 18:15.53 | nt4cats | sugardave: actually, this'll be a good test of my security measures. Why don't you start the biggest DDOS attack that you can against 127.0.0.1, and if my phone can't handle it I'll pay you to stop. Deal? |
| 18:16.16 | sugardave | sure, if you run this ap I'm working on... |
| 18:16.53 | nt4cats | hah |
| 18:18.12 | xalbo | Here, use my super-1337 program to do it...make sure to run it as root, though. |
| 18:24.35 | nt4cats | xalbo: package it as a patch in preware and give it an interesting description -- and it is likely that I and a hundred other people will run it on or Pre's (as root, of course) |
| 18:24.43 | nt4cats | err our Pre's |
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| 18:26.16 | Epyon22 | did terminal dev just kinda stop? |
| 18:26.23 | xalbo | That does lead to a serious feature request: for patches if the postinst script is stock, would it be possible for preware to instead display the patch file? |
| 18:27.25 | egaudet_work | thousands of lines for the keyboard patch :P |
| 18:27.33 | egaudet_work | preware is a generic ipk installer |
| 18:27.48 | egaudet_work | doesn't really distinguish between types of scripts and packages that much aside from meta data |
| 18:28.06 | egaudet_work | and all the patches in webos-patches feed are MIT open source |
| 18:28.30 | nt4cats | epyon22: I got a terminal update within the last few weeks ... (added a drop-down for 'non-obvious' keys) |
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| 18:37.20 | xalbo | My point is that it displays a big fat warning dialog with the text of the postinst script. Which text is pretty worthless, since it amounts to "apply that patch in this file", and doesn't display the file. |
| 18:37.25 | xalbo | But I see what you mean. |
| 18:39.05 | egaudet_work | It's part of the security model, rather than just running a script on your Pre as root without permissions |
| 18:39.43 | xalbo | Oh, that I completely understand, and approve of. |
| 18:39.51 | egaudet_work | preware can't possibly know everything about the script that's about to run |
| 18:40.12 | nt4cats | I use the "have I ever talked to {the patch developer} on #webos-internals" rule of thumb about whether or not to look at the patch before installing it. |
| 18:40.42 | nt4cats | and if I haven't talked to them before, it depends on how busy I am. |
| 18:41.31 | xalbo | I thought it was the case that the scripts for patches were all identical, with the difference being what patch files it was that they installed. |
| 18:41.41 | xalbo | If I'm incorrect about that, then my idea fails badly. |
| 18:41.49 | nt4cats | ... or maybe I just install everything without thinking about it, and I'm feeling pretty lucky that my phone isn't currenly being used by North Korean hackers to transcode pron |
| 18:41.59 | egaudet_work | xalbo, you are correct. But that is an AutoPatch Technology / package building thing |
| 18:42.14 | egaudet_work | Preware still just sees "package that needs to run postinst script" |
| 18:42.35 | egaudet_work | Preware knows it has to run a script, it can show you the script. It can't know about what is in the script and think about what to show you |
| 18:43.16 | xalbo | So my request is that Preware look at the postinst script, and if it is textually identical to the standard AutoPatch sript, it show you the patch file instead of the script. |
| 18:43.21 | egaudet_work | I trust the patch submission process and open source model :P |
| 18:43.26 | xalbo | In all other cases, do as it does now. |
| 18:43.40 | egaudet_work | xalbo, then I have no control to modify the AutoPatch Technology outside of the scope of Preware |
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| 18:43.54 | egaudet_work | Preware is a generic package installer |
| 18:45.07 | egaudet_work | I like the current model |
| 18:45.21 | egaudet_work | Preware installs from trusted feeds |
| 18:45.56 | egaudet_work | plus looking at large patches on your Pre isn't going to do you much good :P |
| 18:46.15 | nt4cats | The current model is good ... I think the only 2 other alternatives are a total wild-west option or a micro-managed 'submit your app/patch for approval' process. |
| 18:47.43 | loot- | ugh |
| 18:48.10 | loot- | my preware started saying the package manager service is not running |
| 18:48.20 | loot- | worked fine 2-3 weeks ago |
| 18:48.24 | loot- | havent changed anything on the phone |
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| 18:54.05 | xalbo | We're talking past each other. I look at the postinst for a patch, and all of the actually useful information about what it does is hidden from me in another file. The text that is shown to me is boilerplate. Or at least I hope it's boilerplate, since I don't remember what the boilerplate looks like enough to notice if there's a minor change. |
| 18:54.11 | xalbo | So I take it on trust that it's ok. |
| 18:55.06 | egaudet_work | xalbo, look at it as a generic thing not as a specific thing |
| 18:55.25 | egaudet_work | any script can have anything that isn't directly viewable from that script, can call outside scripts etc... |
| 18:55.41 | xalbo | Right. In the general case, there's no better solution. |
| 18:55.57 | egaudet_work | Preware is a generic package isntaller that supports running generic (specific to the package) post install and pre remove scripts |
| 18:55.59 | xalbo | That doesn't mean that it can't be improved for the normal case. |
| 18:56.30 | egaudet_work | AutoPatch Technology uses the underlying generic package/script mechanisms to facilitate easy patching through a generic advanced homebrew installer |
| 18:56.30 | xalbo | For the ones that have their own custom postinst and prerm scripts, then I really *do* want to read them. |
| 18:56.43 | egaudet_work | Preware does not know patches are special, nor should it |
| 18:57.12 | egaudet_work | APT knows patches are special and puts it altogether in a common framework so that it WORKS within a generic advanced installer like preware |
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| 19:00.34 | xalbo | I understand you. If you understand what I want, and why (a special case, but a very, very common one), then I'll stop. I don't think I can convince you. |
| 19:01.06 | xalbo | I don't want to give up the general utility. I just want the common case to operate a little smoother. |
| 19:01.32 | egaudet_work | common case today |
| 19:01.35 | egaudet_work | what's the next common case |
| 19:01.46 | egaudet_work | patches are easily viewable as is |
| 19:02.02 | xalbo | How? |
| 19:02.04 | egaudet_work | what will making preware special-case patches to show on your pre do for you? |
| 19:02.12 | xalbo | (that's an honest question, btw) |
| 19:02.17 | egaudet_work | well not viewable on pre |
| 19:03.04 | egaudet_work | I don't make any decisions on the Preware development but I believe oil and rwhitby feel the same way w/ regards to keeping it generic |
| 19:03.34 | xalbo | It means that when I consider whether to install a package that claims to be a patch to change one tiny thing, I can easily confirm that it is indeed a patch to change that one thing, and see what it does, without going anywhere else. In other cases, we're exactly where we are now. |
| 19:05.30 | sugardave | so...fair dinkum is in package manager...will this not work for apps installed from the catalog? I'm not exactly sure what to do here |
| 19:05.42 | xalbo | Actually, I am curious. What is the best way to see what a package does? Install it with ipkg, then read the postinst script (and all files it references) before running it? |
| 19:05.59 | egaudet_work | you are basically asking to change what preware is to accomodate a very RARE situation that is solvable in the right-now and isn't very forward compatible, and also creates dependencies between a package installer and the outside packages (APT) |
| 19:06.36 | egaudet_work | to see everyhing a package does? |
| 19:06.41 | egaudet_work | extract it on your PC |
| 19:06.44 | egaudet_work | and go through it |
| 19:07.17 | egaudet_work | sugardave, fair dinkum removes the 64MB limit for /var space |
| 19:07.35 | egaudet_work | there's still a limit the app catalog checks that it won't install any apps when < 100MiB of free space is available on /var |
| 19:07.49 | egaudet_work | you can use mvapp to move apps to /media/internal and sym link them to free up space |
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| 19:07.56 | sugardave | I can't be anywhere near that |
| 19:08.15 | sugardave | okay, mvapp is in the os, or is this another package? |
| 19:08.21 | egaudet_work | package |
| 19:08.27 | sugardave | cool, will look |
| 19:08.28 | sugardave | thanks |
| 19:08.36 | egaudet_work | installable via preware I believe and then runnable from command line I think |
| 19:08.41 | egaudet_work | havent kept up with its details |
| 19:08.51 | sugardave | sounds promising :D |
| 19:09.45 | xalbo | I think the only matter of fact we disagree on is how rare or common that particular kind of package is. |
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| 19:10.29 | synackfin | is anyone working on a skype client? I know ebay/skype isn't developing one, but they are open-sourcing it so someone else could write a client? |
| 19:10.58 | egaudet_work | xalbo, even if we agree that it's extremely common that is only true in the right-now |
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| 19:11.13 | xalbo | I don't think there's an API to talk to the microphone yet, so I expect it's not yet possible. |
| 19:11.19 | synackfin | even a text-only version of skype would be good, doesn't need to make/receive phone calls |
| 19:11.21 | egaudet_work | who knows where patches go from here, in a few months maybe all 1-line patches are obsolete |
| 19:11.39 | egaudet_work | or there is another package technology that grows and is more common, adds more use cases |
| 19:11.50 | egaudet_work | or APT changes, the scripts change, the idea changes etc... |
| 19:12.10 | egaudet_work | you want to solve a right-now minor inconvenience by deviating away from what Preware is |
| 19:12.18 | synackfin | xalbo: a wirc-like client for skype would be awesome (text-only, no voice) |
| 19:12.22 | egaudet_work | I do not like it (although I dont control the decisions on preware development at all) |
| 19:13.00 | egaudet_work | with the open source model + dBsooner-work's submission process and patch verifications, you can be fairly certain that small patches are pretty safe |
| 19:13.11 | AnOutsider_ | egaudet_work: sorry to interrupt, but do you know how often the prethemer feed is being reindexed? |
| 19:13.29 | egaudet_work | any dangerous patches would be the large patches that are harder to read and would be absolutely useless trying to see what they do by reading on the Pre |
| 19:13.43 | egaudet_work | AnOutsider_, autobuilder runs every 15 minutes |
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| 19:14.58 | xalbo | By that argument, why ever do anything? How do you know that tomorrow ipkg won't be obsolete for some reason? Yes, I'm trying to fix a problem that exists right now, with a solution that works right now. If the problem space changes, then the solutions will necessarily have to. |
| 19:15.30 | egaudet_work | you aren't trying to fix a problem, you are fixing a minor inconvenience |
| 19:15.33 | sugardave | why does mvapp suggest to remove optware packages? |
| 19:15.51 | egaudet_work | in a very specific instance |
| 19:15.57 | xalbo | Arguments I can see as valid: I'm proposing something that would take effort, and haven't volunteered to do that effort. And the changes I've propsed would increase the size and complexity of preware (a little, but I expect not that much). |
| 19:16.11 | egaudet_work | You don't know what files are all installed from each app, but you trust the underlying infrastructure and -o /var |
| 19:16.27 | AnOutsider_ | thanks e |
| 19:16.29 | egaudet_work | xalbo, no it's not about complexity or effort |
| 19:16.34 | egaudet_work | it's about what Preware is |
| 19:16.39 | egaudet_work | you are attempting to deviate from what Preware is |
| 19:16.53 | egaudet_work | THAT is a huge issue and sets precedent, not a simple "fix this current issue" thing |
| 19:17.27 | egaudet_work | I suspect rwhitby and oil would agree with me but I can't speak for them |
| 19:17.49 | egaudet_work | Making preware aware of the specifics of any package is just a bad idea IMO |
| 19:18.24 | egaudet_work | it then creates an ugly inter dependency |
| 19:19.07 | sugardave | egaudet_work: you the man, thanks for reminding me about mvapp |
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| 19:20.58 | xalbo | It's an interdependancy that degrades, in its very worst case (APT is changed, preware isn't), to exactly the situation we have now (preware doesn't know anything about the new APT packages). |
| 19:20.59 | synackfin | xalbo: I don't think what you're asking is that hard because linux has support for overlayed filesystems, a package-manager could over lay a writable /tmp/ on top of a read-only /, and then observe what files are modified and such by inspecting /tmp/, then copy the files over to a remounted rw / |
| 19:22.18 | synackfin | xalbo: maybe I misunderstood the problem, but you're trying to track which files are updated by an advanced homebrew shell script, right? |
| 19:23.36 | xalbo | That's definitely a way of looking at it, yes. I was thinking in much less general/grandiose ways. |
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| 19:24.39 | synackfin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufs |
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| 19:25.42 | synackfin | preware could use aufs to better track advanced homebrew installs before copying the results to / |
| 19:26.26 | synackfin | I use ArchLinux which has a pretty nice pkgbuild mechanism, and it uses aufs |
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| 19:27.32 | egaudet_work | see that's something that's more generic and a way in which Preware could look |
| 19:28.08 | synackfin | any sort of problem of the form "need to make changes to /, but monitored and sandboxed for undoing" can be solved by utilizing aufs within a package manager |
| 19:28.08 | egaudet_work | but inspecting a script to decide it's a patch etc... deviates away from a generic installer and starts having to know specifics about a package (APT packages) |
| 19:29.42 | xalbo | Compared with that, my idea does seem very narrow. |
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| 19:30.55 | synackfin | xalbo: inspecting a shell script can be non-deterministic. Is this a patch: if [ random() -gt 0.5 ]; then cp file1 file2; fi ? It's nondeterministically a patch |
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| 19:32.07 | xalbo | The heart of it is, I want to install a 10-line patch, and look at it first. To do that, we've used APT to build convert it into a generic package that can hold anything, then we install that using a general package manager that can install anything, then we throw our hands in the air and say "we can't tell you what it is, it could be anything!" What is *is* is a couple of lines of change to one or two files. |
| 19:32.35 | xalbo | That file is not textwise identical to the standard APT postinst, so "no". |
| 19:33.58 | egaudet_work | every postinst is different filewise |
| 19:34.04 | xalbo | "If it looks exactly like *this*, then show *this other file instead*. Otherwise, show the script exactly as you always have" |
| 19:34.10 | egaudet_work | patch1.postinst !== patch2.postinst exactly |
| 19:34.18 | egaudet_work | they differ in the first 2 lines |
| 19:34.26 | xalbo | Ahhh. That is an issue. |
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| 19:34.40 | egaudet_work | But even so, once again it would work for the existing postinst ONLY |
| 19:34.47 | egaudet_work | and makes preware aware of package specific |
| 19:34.49 | synackfin | xalbo: so, basically you're saying you want to know who the author of the postinst is, whether it is APT or custom? I suppose "signed" packages would be the answer |
| 19:34.57 | egaudet_work | You can argue that APT should include the patch text in the postinst |
| 19:35.08 | egaudet_work | but the argument that Preware should be aware of package specifics I don't think will ever work |
| 19:35.40 | egaudet_work | signed packages is on the todo path already |
| 19:35.51 | synackfin | xalbo: if you're using a standard postinst, some webserver could take your patch and spit out a signed postinst; if you alter the postinst, you'd have to sign it yourself |
| 19:36.25 | synackfin | egaudet_work: I think xalbo would be happy if the postinst could be signed separately from the rest of the package |
| 19:36.35 | xalbo | I may just be arguing that APT doesn't produce a result that's transparent enough. |
| 19:37.06 | synackfin | egaudet_work: that way, trivial postinsts can be created+signed by some central webserver |
| 19:37.09 | egaudet_work | APT uses patches that are submitted/verified and MIT licensed in a public git |
| 19:37.37 | egaudet_work | synackfin, he wants to see the patch that the postinst happens to be applying |
| 19:38.17 | xalbo | The the normal APT postinst looked like "patch -i <<HEREDOC" then I'd be ok. I'm just annoyed that what I see isn't the meat of the thing. |
| 19:38.56 | xalbo | (that syntax is, of course, broken 500 different ways; whatever) |
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| 19:43.01 | synackfin | I still think that using aufs with its ability to union /tmp/ with / and copy-on-write feature allows a package manager to cleanly install a package, inspect /tmp/ to see what files were altered, report them to the user, then apply the changes to / |
| 19:45.08 | xalbo | Does sound like it could work. |
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| 19:47.20 | synackfin | it's secure, doesn't involve trying to figure out what the postinst does (that's /bin/sh's job, not a package manager's), is non-destructive since / is read-only, and doesn't affect the execution of a script, and best of all, the package manager has a complete manifest of all files pre-change (/) and post-change (/tmp/) and can therefore backup the old files before copying files from /tmp/ to / |
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| 19:48.27 | synackfin | plus, aufs is stable since it has been around for years and years, and it's already using in package manager like ArchLinux's for exactly this purpose, so I'm not suggesting a "new" idea but rather a good existing idea already used in the linux community. |
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| 19:52.32 | nt4cats | wishes that the magic app/patch fairies would write a Patch Helper for WebOS upgrades that that you could run on your Pre before a WebOS upgrade to save a list of the patches that you have installed, and then remove the patches (a la EPR tool). You then do the WebOS upgrade, and then you run this magic tool again and it puts all of your patches back. |
| 19:53.38 | ACap | seconds nt4cats' wish |
| 19:54.11 | synackfin | using aufs is a very simple and elegant design. (1) a read-only / is secure but breaks scripts trying to modify /. (2) a read-write / lets scripts modify /, but is insecure. (3) aufs with its copy-on-write feature is secure (because / is read-only) _and_ scripts don't break when trying to modify / (aufs simply does a copy-on-write and makes the modification in /tmp/) |
| 19:54.28 | ACap | at least a memo or email showing what I had before. Maybe an Install History in PreWare? |
| 19:54.38 | ACap | with an option to "reinstall"? |
| 19:55.45 | xalbo | On a completely different topic: Is there an easy way to clear out the cache of downloaded email? |
| 19:56.12 | synackfin | By taking solution #3, the preware package manager can not only answer the question "which files did a particular app install, and which files did a particular app modify, and which files did a particular app delete?" but also answer the question "which apps modified file xyz"? And the user can then re-install all the apps if xyz was clobbered by a WebOS upgrade |
| 19:56.33 | xalbo | It looks like /var/luna/data/emails/ is consuming large amounts of my precious /var space. |
| 19:56.50 | nt4cats | xalbo: dunk your pre in room-temperature water for 2.5 hours. That'll clear it out. |
| 19:57.17 | egaudet_work | nt4cats, what happens when 50% of your patches are no longer valid |
| 19:57.23 | egaudet_work | after an upgrade |
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| 19:57.32 | synackfin | I believe webos built-in apps are in /usr/applications (instead of /var/usr/applications), so solution #3 can easily help answer the question "which packages have I installed that patched files in /usr/applications?" |
| 19:58.05 | Rick_work | xalbo, delete your email accounts and re-add them. |
| 19:58.07 | ACap | egaudet_work: an install history from PreWare is the answer |
| 19:58.27 | xalbo | nt4cats: I'll get back to you in about 3 hours and let you know how that worked. |
| 19:58.27 | egaudet_work | ACap how is that the "answer"? |
| 19:58.32 | robertjw | xalbo: resize /media/internal and give /opt its own 2GB partition |
| 19:58.50 | egaudet_work | your history says you have these 50 patch packages, you upgrade and 25 of those patches are invalid for your new webos version |
| 19:58.54 | Rick_work | robertjw many of us worry about that effecting future updates |
| 19:59.07 | nt4cats | egaudet: does the patch package include ""compatible with webos versions X,Y,Z " meta-data? |
| 19:59.30 | robertjw | xalbo: ask me about that when the next update comes down :-) |
| 19:59.39 | synackfin | egaudet_work: one solution would be to uninstall anything that modified a file in the built-in directory (in case it bricks the WebOS upgrade in some way). I'm always scared of doing a WebOS upgrade over patched files not because I worry the upgrade will break the patch, but because I'm worried the patch might break the upgrade |
| 19:59.40 | ACap | egaudet_work: it would show me what I've installed in the past, so at a minimum I could decide if those apps/patches are still relevent |
| 20:00.09 | egaudet_work | synackfin, upgrades overwrite packages |
| 20:00.11 | nt4cats | acap: you could do screen shots of your installed patches from preware ... |
| 20:00.29 | nt4cats | acap: that's not high-tech, but it'd tell you what you had installed |
| 20:00.31 | egaudet_work | ACap, you can look in installed packages and see what you have installed |
| 20:00.33 | ACap | nt4cats: true, or simply write them down on a piece of paper |
| 20:00.45 | egaudet_work | anyway |
| 20:00.45 | nt4cats | acap: paper? what are you, a luddite? |
| 20:01.10 | synackfin | egaudet_work: wouldn't the uninstall script of advanced homebrew apps do something bad, then? |
| 20:01.24 | ACap | nt4cats: no, just making a point that screenshots are overly difficult for the task at hand |
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| 20:01.58 | nt4cats | egaudet: ... because if patches are invalid after an os upgrade, what will happen if you try and install it manually? |
| 20:02.13 | synackfin | egaudet_work: 1. install roamOnly patch (copies original file to a backup file, patches original file). 2. upgrade WebOS (overwrites original file). 3. uninstall roamOnly patch (runs script to restore backup file over original file... except this is now the wrong backup file) |
| 20:02.28 | ACap | egaudet_work: Once I EPR my phone before an upgrade, those are no longer "installed", but true, I could go there and screenshot/write them down beforehand |
| 20:02.32 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:02.54 | nt4cats | egaudet: ... so if the infrastructure knows whether or not a patch is compatible with a particular webos release then only re-install the ones that are marked as compatible ... |
| 20:03.07 | egaudet_work | synackfin, APT is smarter than that |
| 20:03.19 | egaudet_work | step 3) uninstall roamonly will fail because it can't -R the patch |
| 20:03.39 | nt4cats | egaudet: but if the infrastructure doesn't know if they're compatbile or not, I'm going to have to go into preware and click a few dozen times to try them all to find out if they're compatible or not. |
| 20:03.57 | nt4cats | egaudet: ... and that'd make my finger tired. |
| 20:04.00 | egaudet_work | so you run EPR right after your upgrade, and it md5sums the file that it wants to revert to backup. If that md5sum matches the expected package md5sum of this webos version, throw the backup file away |
| 20:04.28 | nt4cats | 'lo rod |
| 20:04.31 | egaudet_work | nt4cats, but now all patches are in webos-version specific feeds |
| 20:04.34 | egaudet_work | with the same package id |
| 20:04.47 | egaudet_work | so yea we can and probably will facilitate installation profiles at some point |
| 20:04.53 | egaudet_work | morning rwhitby |
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| 20:05.26 | egaudet_work | I can't remember my automatic idea |
| 20:06.56 | nt4cats | egaudet: automatic toast buttering agent? |
| 20:07.00 | synackfin | egaudet_work: I hope aufs is used down the line :) |
| 20:07.25 | nt4cats | egaudet: automatic "yes dear" responder (for when your wife is talking) |
| 20:07.47 | egaudet_work | oh yeah I have a way where patch upgrade will be automatic now I remember |
| 20:08.41 | egaudet_work | lol |
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| 20:14.53 | rwhitby | synackfin: we've been considering overlay filesystems for Preware and patching for a while. But we're still in the phase of just getting base functionality to work at the moment. |
| 20:15.53 | synackfin | rwhitby: no rush, I was just making sure folks know it's a good idea for down the line :) |
| 20:16.17 | rwhitby | synackfin: we were actually looking at unionfs, but the concept is the same |
| 20:16.30 | synackfin | rwhitby: I though aufs superceded unionfs? |
| 20:16.41 | rwhitby | synackfin: that may well be the case, I dunno. |
| 20:16.55 | rwhitby | I just remembered unionfs from openwrt dev |
| 20:18.37 | synackfin | rwhitby: from what I remember, the 1.x line of unionFS had been plagued with stability problems, and then aufs forked to rewrite a stable version. There's a 2.x line of unionFS that is mostly a backport of aufs, but it's not really complete yet |
| 20:19.07 | rwhitby | synackfin: cool, thanks for the info |
| 20:19.49 | synackfin | rwhitby: many distributions switched over compeltely to aufs from unionfs (Knoppix, ArchLinux, Xandros) |
| 20:20.49 | synackfin | syntactically, they're the same, so it shouldn't affect preware whether you're using aufs or unionfs - it's easy to swap one for the other |
| 20:23.35 | synackfin | it's pretty popular with LiveCDs (overlaying the large read-only CD with a small rw in-memory fs) |
| 20:30.10 | AtomicPlayboy | Is it possible to access the sound device/driver from the command line? |
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| 20:48.04 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: ping |
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| 20:50.57 | lingfish | Mornin |
| 20:51.25 | AtomicPlayboy | Afternoon. |
| 20:52.24 | lingfish | heh |
| 20:54.15 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: hi |
| 20:54.41 | lingfish | rwhitby: heya... still no GSM? |
| 20:56.11 | AtomicPlayboy | I get "SET failed on device eth0 ; Invalid argumet" when trying iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc |
| 20:56.44 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: retweet me tweet |
| 20:56.53 | dBsooner-work | i did @webosinternals |
| 21:06.59 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: done |
| 21:07.16 | rwhitby | AtomicPlayboy: yep, it was removed in 1.2 |
| 21:07.27 | AtomicPlayboy | Ah. |
| 21:07.34 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: thank ya |
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| 21:07.51 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: Can you try "git checkout webos-1.3.1" |
| 21:07.54 | Robi_ | omg Pixi selling for $30 with new plan |
| 21:07.57 | dBsooner-work | and see if you see the patches I pushed last night? |
| 21:08.04 | dBsooner-work | I guess they wouldn't be there |
| 21:08.08 | dBsooner-work | because I pushed them to master.. |
| 21:08.09 | dBsooner-work | bm |
| 21:08.12 | dBsooner-work | nm* |
| 21:08.45 | dBsooner-work | wait, shouldn't they be there though? |
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| 21:10.01 | PuffTheMagic | ice-11: if u program for a living then lunaservice.h, ipkgmgrsrv and wIRCd shoudl give you enough clues on what to do |
| 21:10.24 | ice-11 | i haven't even looked at ipkgmgrsrv |
| 21:10.27 | ice-11 | and i'm young |
| 21:10.45 | ice-11 | :p |
| 21:10.50 | ice-11 | thanks! |
| 21:10.53 | nt4cats | was young once <sigh> |
| 21:10.57 | ice-11 | jerk |
| 21:11.28 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: files will only appear on the branches on which you commit them (either directly or as part of a merge or cherry-pick). tags don't affect that at all. |
| 21:11.32 | AtomicPlayboy | If you're under the age of 4x10^10, you're "young." |
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| 21:11.44 | rwhitby | nt4cats: you're 2 years older than me :-) |
| 21:11.45 | nt4cats | atomic: that is very close to my age |
| 21:12.18 | AtomicPlayboy | You're 3,999,999,999 years old? |
| 21:12.30 | nt4cats | rwhitby: it is really all about how old you are on the inside. I've been a certifiable old man since approximately age 25 |
| 21:12.59 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: so If I wanted to commit a patch to both 1.2.1 and 1.3.1, how do I do that? |
| 21:13.01 | nt4cats | Atomic: that's about right |
| 21:13.18 | dBsooner-work | Like the 7 I commited last night, should have gone to both.. but "git push" only pushed to orgin/master |
| 21:13.20 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: cherry pick the commit onto the other branhc |
| 21:13.35 | sugardave | I've had the knees of an 80-year old man since I was 5 |
| 21:13.58 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: can you explain that a little more? |
| 21:14.40 | dBsooner-work | checkout the 1.3.1 and copy the "cherry picked" files into there and then commit? |
| 21:15.19 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: there is a cherry pick command in git |
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| 21:18.09 | dBsooner-work | goes to "man git cherry-pick" |
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| 21:22.02 | Wiz1999 | rwhitby: just posted my installed apps to the precentral forums to go along with the dbus trace. Let me know if you need more info. |
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| 21:27.34 | Mousey | lol |
| 21:27.43 | Mousey | that's gotta be the best IRC nick evar |
| 21:28.05 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: thx - we're trying to see if it's a specific app which is causing the hang. |
| 21:28.17 | Wiz1999 | Np...glad to help. |
| 21:28.21 | GiantTalkingCow | Assuming you're referring to me, everyone seems to say that. |
| 21:28.26 | GiantTalkingCow | shrugs. |
| 21:29.40 | Mousey | a giant talking cow, shrugging!! |
| 21:29.42 | Mousey | EPIC! |
| 21:31.27 | GiantTalkingCow | Yeah, just stopping by since I may end up picking up a Pre or a Pixi next week, so I've been browsing around the various sites, blogs, etc trying to educate myself. |
| 21:31.43 | Mousey | yay Pre! |
| 21:31.47 | AtomicPlayboy | Okay, just discovered luna-send. |
| 21:35.20 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: can you please uninstall com.ea.connect4 and see if that fixes the hang? |
| 21:35.27 | Wiz1999 | Sure... |
| 21:36.46 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: if that doesn't work, try com.danielfarina.prememo |
| 21:37.14 | rwhitby | amrcc's listing stops on a com.danielfarina package too - hmm. |
| 21:37.49 | Wiz1999 | Ok...Connect4 is gone...still hangs. |
| 21:38.05 | Wiz1999 | on to Prememo |
| 21:39.04 | AtomicPlayboy | Is there a way to get parameters for luna-send for each application? |
| 21:39.35 | Wiz1999 | Success! Getting rid of PreMemo fixed it. |
| 21:40.19 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: is PreMemo homebrew or app catalog ? |
| 21:40.26 | Wiz1999 | Homebrew |
| 21:40.40 | Wiz1999 | Was a really old Memorization game. |
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| 21:41.41 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: but it's not available any more? |
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| 21:41.52 | Wiz1999 | Not sure...I'll take a peek at PreCentral. |
| 21:42.14 | Flashpass | ouch, so not much added in 1.3.1 it looks like |
| 21:42.29 | rwhitby | it is only a 0.1.0 increment |
| 21:43.15 | Wiz1999 | Doesn't look like it is in the feed...still available here: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/192290-prememo-animated-memory-game-v1-0-7-12-a.html |
| 21:43.25 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: can you please pastebin all the files that match /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.danielfarina.prememo.* ? |
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| 21:44.28 | AtomicPlayboy | Flashpass: any changes to wifi? |
| 21:44.57 | Wiz1999 | Ok...haven't used pastebin before...just go to: http://webos.pastebin.com/ and put in the list of files? |
| 21:45.10 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: how many files are there? |
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| 21:45.25 | Wiz1999 | well...right now...none |
| 21:45.33 | Wiz1999 | you want me to reinstall it? |
| 21:45.54 | rwhitby | oh, right :-) |
| 21:46.13 | Wiz1999 | I'll do that now...gotta reboot into dev mode. |
| 21:46.14 | rwhitby | if it's the ipkg which is attached to the first post in that thread, then no worries I can get it and test. |
| 21:46.25 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: thanks for your help - I need to commute now |
| 21:46.25 | Wiz1999 | I think that is the same one I would have used. |
| 21:46.27 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 21:46.29 | Wiz1999 | :) |
| 21:46.40 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: please do reinstall and double check that it causes the problem |
| 21:46.44 | Wiz1999 | Sure... |
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| 21:47.13 | rwhitby | take it on and off twice to make sure :-) |
| 21:47.25 | Wiz1999 | Sure...np. Easy enough to do. |
| 21:47.48 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: then please post in the thread and see if that fixes it for others too. |
| 21:47.58 | Wiz1999 | Will do. |
| 21:48.03 | rwhitby | thx |
| 21:48.41 | flazer | i was trying something with the other servers i'm on |
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| 21:58.27 | Flashpass | AtomicPlayboy: I dont have 1.3.1 personally, but based on all the feedback and reviews of it, looks like it doesn't add much more then yahoo/facebook integration and a few tweaks |
| 21:58.57 | AtomicPlayboy | Flashpass: Ah. |
| 21:58.58 | xorg | and no solution to the app limit (no surprise, will take an architectural change) |
| 21:59.22 | AnOutsider | shame |
| 21:59.42 | Flashpass | yeah, lotta rumors about what it would include and didn't appear to get any of them haha |
| 21:59.53 | xorg | methinks it's time for homebrew installer apps to incorporate symbolic links to /media for all homebrew app installs |
| 22:00.58 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: note that the bug is in Preware, not in that package |
| 22:01.16 | Wiz1999 | Yep...Did my post sound bad? |
| 22:01.26 | Wiz1999 | BTW: pastebin here of the list of files: http://webos.pastebin.com/m20026f07 |
| 22:01.27 | rwhitby | dunno, haven't read it :-) |
| 22:02.35 | xorg | hiya rod, sorry about the abrupt leave, had a crash and then had to leave. |
| 22:03.03 | Wiz1999 | rwhitby: dirtygreek just posted: I did not have that package installed and was experiencing the problem until I upgraded to the newest service and preware on the test site. |
| 22:03.13 | rwhitby | yeah, see my followup |
| 22:03.27 | rwhitby | xorg: gotta run now - will talk later |
| 22:03.34 | rwhitby | bbl (1h-ish) |
| 22:03.49 | Wiz1999 | rwhitby: good response |
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| 22:39.25 | lingfish | hrm.... Mexico is getting a GSM Pre... anyone seen if its unlocked or not? |
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| 22:45.59 | Robi_ | where's the useragent patch? |
| 22:46.26 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: I can now reproduce the hang |
| 22:49.35 | Wiz1999 | Excellent. |
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| 22:57.03 | rwhitby | Wiz1999: found the bug. see latest post. |
| 22:57.07 | rwhitby | oil: ping |
| 23:06.41 | rwhitby | Anyone know anything about try/catch in Javascript? |
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| 23:08.04 | Smubeht | rwhitby: what do u mean? |
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| 23:08.38 | AnOutsider | "I can not even install my theme through Web Quickinstall either. This wasn't an issue until I installed an update to Web Quickinstall on the Pre through an IPK file." |
| 23:08.39 | AnOutsider | what? |
| 23:08.46 | AnOutsider | and yeah rod I do, what you need to know? |
| 23:08.54 | rwhitby | we call JSON.parse in Preware, I need to catch any parse errors and gracefully degrade. |
| 23:09.04 | Smubeht | believe it works same as in most other languages try {code} catch(error) { if error do this stuff maybe print error, maybe rerun a diff set of instructions} |
| 23:09.14 | AnOutsider | that's correct |
| 23:09.25 | rwhitby | where do I find the list of errors? |
| 23:09.44 | Smubeht | well u can print error that appears |
| 23:09.51 | AnOutsider | honetly, I don't think you do |
| 23:09.54 | Smubeht | like catch(error) { error.description} |
| 23:09.57 | AnOutsider | err would be a string, just exho or trace it |
| 23:10.08 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: installed an update to wosqi on the Pre through an ipk? |
| 23:10.11 | AnOutsider | correct ^^ |
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| 23:10.19 | Smubeht | println error.discription or something |
| 23:10.20 | AnOutsider | yeah, someone posted that on the prethemer forums |
| 23:10.23 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: that's a neat trick |
| 23:10.29 | AnOutsider | aint it |
| 23:10.40 | AnOutsider | anywho, you'd do like alert( err.description )l in normal js |
| 23:10.50 | Smubeht | yeah that would work too |
| 23:10.59 | AnOutsider | i suppose in webos jsut $('field').update( err.description ); |
| 23:11.32 | Smubeht | is coding for webos differnet than just reg js/css/html stuff? |
| 23:11.34 | rwhitby | here's the current line: var sourceJson = JSON.parse(info.Source); |
| 23:11.50 | rwhitby | I need it not to barf, and just return whatever it could parse in sourceJson |
| 23:13.24 | rwhitby | http://json.org/js.html is not very helpful on that score, assuming that everything you feed it is well-formed |
| 23:13.53 | Smubeht | rwhitby: you mean like you want the variable to store stuff as it parses? im not sure it does that. |
| 23:14.11 | AnOutsider | unless I'm missing it, you just want this right? http://webos.pastebin.com/m1d93f015 |
| 23:14.27 | rwhitby | Smubeht: I'm not too fussed if it ends up empty for a parse error. |
| 23:14.29 | AnOutsider | or are you saying you want it to grab what it COULD parse and ignore what it couldn't? In that sense, I don't think so |
| 23:14.41 | AnOutsider | ok then my snippet should work |
| 23:14.49 | balrog-k1n | the whole throw / catch mechanism doesn't easily let you return partial result |
| 23:14.53 | AnOutsider | in the catch, put var sourceJson = {}; |
| 23:15.05 | AnOutsider | you'll end up with an empty object |
| 23:16.08 | Smubeht | yep |
| 23:16.22 | Smubeht | but yeah i dont think you can do partial parsing |
| 23:17.17 | Smubeht | what is the item u are parsing? |
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| 23:17.59 | Smubeht | maybe u can do a parse line by line? with a loop? and then whenever it bombs anyway the jsonSource will have the last values stored in |
| 23:18.16 | Smubeht | if thats what you are wanting as well |
| 23:19.25 | rwhitby | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2030272 is the problem at hand |
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| 23:20.18 | Smubeht | u want to make preware handle faulty code? |
| 23:21.08 | Smubeht | or u just want to make it not break down if there is faulty code |
| 23:22.35 | sprugman | I'm getting this error when launching Preware: "The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? etc." I installed it. I've restarted. I've used WebOSQuickInstall to uninstall and then reinstall both preware and package manager. I've restarted again. Can anyone here help me figure this out? |
| 23:22.37 | AnOutsider | yeah I think a try catch is the ebst way. If it barfs, then say screw it and move on to the next one |
| 23:22.54 | Smubeht | ah this is for the fix unknown packages thing |
| 23:31.28 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: yep, that's what I'm going to do. |
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| 23:31.43 | rwhitby | makes it easy to spot the packages with incorrect json files :-) |
| 23:32.02 | AnOutsider | indeed. I noticed a few of those before when I was indexing icons for themes |
| 23:32.22 | AnOutsider | hey rod, where is the feed config directory again? Going to show these guys where to edit manually for now |
| 23:33.54 | AnOutsider | oh found it |
| 23:34.21 | Smubeht | rwhitby: how do you plan to report back the packages that have failed the try? |
| 23:35.02 | rwhitby | Smubeht: They will end up in the Unknown category, and there will be a log message. |
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| 23:35.51 | Smubeht | log viewable by u guys or by the end user? |
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| 23:40.23 | rwhitby | code review please: http://webos.pastebin.com/d1bea8cd1 |
| 23:40.29 | rwhitby | Smubeht: in /var/log/messages |
| 23:41.23 | PuffTheMagic | did anyone else get this mesage from palm today? |
| 23:41.29 | PuffTheMagic | starts off: |
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| 23:41.30 | PuffTheMagic | We are excited to be heading towards the public launch of the Palm webOS Developer Program in December. Thank you for your interest in webOS and for downloading the Palm® Mojo⢠SDK. In preparation for launch, we are now accepting a final batch of developers that would like to submit their applications via our Early Access Program and help us with final scalability testing. This is the last opportunity for developers to get in |
| 23:41.30 | PuffTheMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.36 | sugardave | hehe |
| 23:41.37 | Smubeht | yeah got that |
| 23:41.40 | PuffTheMagic | is this like a few months too late or something? |
| 23:41.45 | Smubeht | last batch |
| 23:41.46 | sugardave | nah, just hours |
| 23:41.58 | Abyssul | I got that early lol |
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| 23:42.29 | PuffTheMagic | i applied to that "early access" thing this summer |
| 23:42.33 | PuffTheMagic | before the sdk was leaked |
| 23:42.38 | PuffTheMagic | why would they send this out now |
| 23:42.46 | PuffTheMagic | early access to what? |
| 23:43.20 | Smubeht | likely early access means while they are still app catalog BETA |
| 23:43.28 | sugardave | early access to the app publisher portal |
| 23:44.05 | en0x | hmm |
| 23:44.07 | en0x | wtf |
| 23:44.15 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: I got the same email. |
| 23:44.17 | en0x | youtube download patch is no longer working for me |
| 23:44.17 | en0x | :S |
| 23:44.24 | en0x | same thing with tweed notifications |
| 23:44.26 | en0x | eh :( |
| 23:45.03 | rwhitby | AnOutsider, Smubeht: http://webos.pastebin.com/d1bea8cd1 ? |
| 23:45.23 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: are they brain dead? does part of their company not know the sdk has been out for months? |
| 23:45.48 | sugardave | PuffTheMagic: it's for early access to the online submission portal, not the sdk |
| 23:45.57 | AnOutsider | i beleive Mojo.Log.logException(e, 'infoLoad#parse'); -> Mojo.Log.logException(e.description, 'infoLoad#parse'); |
| 23:45.57 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: the email is not about the SDK |
| 23:46.09 | AnOutsider | if you want the actual error text |
| 23:46.13 | Smubeht | rwhitby: i dont know all the webos code stuff so not sure about that mojo.log line but rest looks fine |
| 23:46.17 | AnOutsider | same for the other location. That should do it |
| 23:46.22 | Smubeht | and u likely yeah need e.description |
| 23:46.27 | PuffTheMagic | well the onlything "early access" i ever heard about was the sdk |
| 23:46.28 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: interesting - I copied that from elsewhere and it seems to work: |
| 23:46.41 | rwhitby | org.webosinternals.preware: Error: EXCEPTION [loadAppinfoFileResponse#parse], (SyntaxError): "Unexpected token }", |
| 23:47.02 | AnOutsider | hang on |
| 23:47.08 | AnOutsider | you have the parse outside the try |
| 23:47.32 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: that's a diff |
| 23:47.44 | AnOutsider | http://webos.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?diff=m7d144b7f |
| 23:47.50 | AnOutsider | oh duh |
| 23:47.52 | AnOutsider | ;) |
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| 23:50.01 | Smubeht | rwhitby: line 8 needs to be removed |
| 23:50.14 | Smubeht | that line throws the error |
| 23:50.22 | Smubeht | so it needs to be contained in the try |
| 23:50.42 | rwhitby | Smubeht: it's a unified diff |
| 23:51.09 | AnOutsider | yeah made the same mistake |
| 23:51.09 | rwhitby | Smubeht: line 8 is replaced by lines 9 through 18 |
| 23:51.14 | AnOutsider | that should be good though |
| 23:51.15 | Smubeht | oh |
| 23:51.17 | Smubeht | gotcha |
| 23:51.26 | Smubeht | the - on the left means its removed and the +s mean add? |
| 23:51.28 | AnOutsider | wasnt sure if you could just use e or if you had to e.description it |
| 23:51.31 | rwhitby | thanks guys. I'll push this to alpha testing |
| 23:52.57 | AnOutsider | and redirect feed ;) |
| 23:54.20 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: yep, except that's in ipkgservice, not preware. |
| 23:54.55 | AnOutsider | i know haha |
| 23:55.21 | AnOutsider | is it possible to redirect the url maybe? I edited the conf file and it works from my url |
| 23:55.26 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: I'm thinking of putting in a service method for enabling and disabling the /usr/local/bin/ipkg app limit work-around |
| 23:55.29 | AnOutsider | also, egaudet: has the patch storage dir changed? |
| 23:56.24 | AnOutsider | why disable? |
| 23:59.07 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: re: your comment/todo for wirc |
| 23:59.26 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: did you want to exclude messages that show up in the channel or server window? |
