| 00:01.24 | egaudet | fine I just don't understand why you want to control a service that only serves as a link between linux and a mojo gui |
| 00:02.02 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: cause its my project, why should only devs of mojo guis get full control of their project |
| 00:02.08 | egaudet | I don't really care one way or the other, I'm just trying to save everyone headaches ahead of time |
| 00:02.32 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i said like 30 min ago it would never happen anyway |
| 00:02.32 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, if you want full control fine, I'm not saying you shouldn't. But understand that it won't be used |
| 00:02.52 | egaudet | why would oil use it if he isnt' guaranteed to have any input/control over how it effects his application |
| 00:03.01 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i dont get why you as a user(dev) of a service/lib get to have any say in how it works |
| 00:03.12 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet unless im making is specificlaly for you |
| 00:03.23 | PuffTheMagic | in which case i would work specifically with you |
| 00:03.28 | egaudet | I'm not saying anyone should care HOW it works, they care about the exposed API |
| 00:03.59 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: those users(devs) dont have any say in the API typically |
| 00:04.04 | PuffTheMagic | for 99% of oss stuff |
| 00:04.10 | PuffTheMagic | uness you are an active dev also |
| 00:04.14 | PuffTheMagic | for that lib/service |
| 00:04.25 | egaudet | I know at my company if we changed APIs we would be destroying relationships with our customers' engineers using those APIs |
| 00:04.36 | PuffTheMagic | kde devs dont really dictate how qt evloves |
| 00:04.40 | PuffTheMagic | evolves |
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| 00:06.55 | egaudet | What is ipkgservice's job? |
| 00:07.15 | clee | the Qt devs do care about how the KDE devs will feel about the changes going into Qt |
| 00:07.25 | clee | and a lot of Trolltech employees started off as KDE developers |
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| 00:07.29 | PuffTheMagic | clee: thats not what i said |
| 00:07.38 | clee | nods |
| 00:07.47 | clee | I'm just saying, it's not like KDE has *zero* effect on Qt's roadmap. :) |
| 00:07.47 | PuffTheMagic | clee: i said the kde devs dont dictate what changes happen |
| 00:07.53 | clee | They may not dictate it, but they do affect it. |
| 00:07.54 | PuffTheMagic | im not saying that cant influence shit |
| 00:08.01 | PuffTheMagic | sure they affect it |
| 00:08.23 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, you don't give anyone confidence that you would "care" what installer devs wanted |
| 00:08.43 | egaudet | You give off the impression that you only care about what you want to do and that's what you are going to do, everyone else be damned |
| 00:08.54 | oil | here is one thing we can all agree on |
| 00:08.59 | oil | nobody is going to change puffs mind |
| 00:09.06 | egaudet | if Qt devs gave that impression to KDE, things would b emuch different |
| 00:09.10 | kesne | Lol @ oil |
| 00:09.22 | PuffTheMagic | oil: have i not tried to work wiht you so far on our projects and so stuff to make it easy for you |
| 00:09.29 | oil | you have |
| 00:09.39 | PuffTheMagic | and i know i've said i would do that in the future |
| 00:09.39 | egaudet | I disagree, I think puff is argumentative but reflects afterwards |
| 00:09.52 | oil | but nobody else is writing mojo for ubermon or wirc |
| 00:10.02 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i will work with who ever is using my service |
| 00:10.06 | PuffTheMagic | use as in dev |
| 00:10.08 | PuffTheMagic | not end user |
| 00:10.10 | oil | ipkgservice is different, other people are using it |
| 00:10.22 | PuffTheMagic | oil: but i dont work on ipkgservice |
| 00:10.29 | PuffTheMagic | preload can keep using preload |
| 00:10.31 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 00:10.32 | egaudet | well to be fair, preware could use xyzservice and not break another installer using ipkgservice |
| 00:10.36 | PuffTheMagic | preload can keep using ipkgservice |
| 00:10.42 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: exactly |
| 00:10.51 | PuffTheMagic | if the dev of preload wnats to come here and talk to me |
| 00:10.54 | PuffTheMagic | i would work with him |
| 00:10.55 | egaudet | it's the parsing of the ipk and the feed format that has to be 100% strict and follow an agreed upon standard |
| 00:10.58 | PuffTheMagic | but im not going out of my way to find him |
| 00:11.06 | PuffTheMagic | and ask him if can make a change |
| 00:11.09 | PuffTheMagic | that is the difference |
| 00:11.33 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: my C ipkg service would use libipkg strictly |
| 00:11.50 | PuffTheMagic | parsing feeds its not an issue here |
| 00:12.07 | egaudet | as long as installer A, B, C and D can use the same feed and ipk then all the underlying details can be specific |
| 00:13.07 | PuffTheMagic | yeah the serivcfe has nothing to do with the feed |
| 00:16.00 | dBsooner | how you update a cloned repo feed with get? |
| 00:16.06 | dBsooner | s/get/git/ |
| 00:16.17 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: git pull |
| 00:17.07 | egaudet | oil, ipk with icons in autopatch feed |
| 00:17.54 | kesne | ~seen rwhitby |
| 00:17.56 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1d 3h 35m 1s) #nslu2-linux (1d 3h 35m 1s), last said: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. |
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| 00:19.33 | oil | egaudet: they look good :) |
| 00:20.14 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 00:20.16 | dBsooner | you just gotta be in the dir |
| 00:20.36 | oil | kesne: he is on vacation for 10 days |
| 00:20.41 | egaudet | yea oil, now you need to get me 4 more |
| 00:20.55 | kesne | Yeah I heard, just wanted to make sure. ;) |
| 00:21.37 | dBsooner | does doing a git pull in the preware applications feed update the build script as well? |
| 00:21.58 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet so if you want to make an IRC service im pretty sure oil will still make the gui |
| 00:22.38 | oil | PuffTheMagic: you're not making the service amymore? |
| 00:22.42 | oil | anymore* |
| 00:22.46 | egaudet | he's trying to say that I could make one too |
| 00:22.50 | egaudet | and get you to make the gui for it |
| 00:22.54 | egaudet | I think |
| 00:23.04 | dBsooner | :( |
| 00:23.56 | oil | lol |
| 00:24.13 | PuffTheMagic | oil: |
| 00:24.52 | Abyssul | Does anyone know how to change the color of the "dot" that appears when you press the orange key in a text field? |
| 00:25.29 | PuffTheMagic | oil: well I not great at C, and shit will change in the service, the more program the better i get and the more ideas i get about how to do stuff or what I could add its not really worth my time if no one is gonna use it cause it changes |
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| 00:27.54 | oil | PuffTheMagic; thats understandable |
| 00:28.15 | oil | only one mojo app would be using it |
| 00:28.25 | rboatright | Abyssul: it's somewhere in framework. |
| 00:28.26 | PuffTheMagic | says who? |
| 00:28.36 | oil | well if another irc app comes out |
| 00:28.46 | oil | you should let them know if youre going to change anything that would break their app |
| 00:28.52 | Abyssul | I've checked the framwork a dozen times lol |
| 00:29.00 | Abyssul | Could you help me find it lol? |
| 00:29.06 | rboatright | Abyssul: egaudet may have enountered it. |
| 00:29.14 | rboatright | in the course of working on osk. |
| 00:30.16 | dBsooner | Abyssul: now that you are here.. I had a hell of a time removing your original red and black theme |
| 00:33.28 | dBsooner | why do I have "All" and "themes" under THemes? |
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| 00:34.30 | oil | eh/ |
| 00:34.35 | dBsooner | in preware |
| 00:35.37 | dBsooner | God I am sick of my pre giving me the error: mount mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy |
| 00:35.41 | dBsooner | when I try to install anything with preware |
| 00:36.19 | dBsooner | anyway, in preware: avail packages->Theme .. I have "All" and "themes" |
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| 00:37.04 | oil | cause themes only have one category |
| 00:37.32 | dBsooner | root@castle:/var/home/root# mount -o remount,ro / |
| 00:37.32 | dBsooner | mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy |
| 00:37.38 | dBsooner | why do i get that all the time? |
| 00:37.52 | oil | because the device or resource is busy? |
| 00:37.56 | dBsooner | lol |
| 00:37.58 | dBsooner | you think? |
| 00:38.25 | CheebaHawk | oil: you should check to see if catetories < 2 and if false show ALL |
| 00:39.04 | oil | i had it like that, but it was funky |
| 00:40.54 | dBsooner | wierd |
| 00:41.01 | dBsooner | root@castle:/var/usr/lib/ipkg/info# mount -o remount,rw / |
| 00:41.01 | dBsooner | root@castle:/var/usr/lib/ipkg/info# mount -o remount,ro / |
| 00:41.01 | dBsooner | mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy |
| 00:41.02 | dBsooner | root@castle:/var/usr/lib/ipkg/info# |
| 00:41.18 | dBsooner | I can remount it rw, but get the error if I remount it ro |
| 00:41.21 | CheebaHawk | goes back to working on a service that no one will ever use cause he likes wasting time |
| 00:42.43 | egaudet | Puff you have the power to control how many people use it remember that |
| 00:43.06 | egaudet | s/control/influence |
| 00:44.59 | dBsooner | so no ideas why it keeps telling me the device or resource is busy trying to remount ro? |
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| 00:48.27 | egaudet | whatever you are doing stop doing |
| 00:49.07 | dBsooner | lol |
| 00:49.18 | dBsooner | Stop installing stuff with preware? |
| 00:50.09 | egaudet | frameworks, luna, nfl, nascar, sprinttv oil |
| 00:50.14 | Decimation | lol, i go out to eat, come back, and there was a HUGE fire down the street i missed. |
| 00:50.14 | Decimation | i hate life. |
| 00:50.17 | egaudet | icons :P |
| 00:50.24 | egaudet | dBsooner, how ar eyou connecting to pre |
| 00:50.29 | dBsooner | wifi |
| 00:50.39 | egaudet | yea don't want to miss those fires... |
| 00:50.41 | dBsooner | I tried it usb too |
| 00:50.54 | dBsooner | sorry, wifi ssh |
| 00:51.00 | dBsooner | didn't try novacom |
| 00:51.40 | egaudet | so you reboot pre, ssh into pre as user and do sudo mount -o rw,remount / |
| 00:51.48 | egaudet | and then sudo mount -o ro,remount / |
| 00:51.52 | egaudet | without doing anything else |
| 00:51.56 | egaudet | and you get error? |
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| 01:04.41 | dBsooner | ill try thqat in a sec |
| 01:04.46 | dBsooner | making a very long for loop |
| 01:04.51 | dBsooner | to rename png.bak to png |
| 01:09.21 | bpadalino | f o r |
| 01:12.43 | dBsooner | for i in `find / -name \*.png.bak`;do dir=`dirname $i`; j=$dir/`basename $i .png.bak`.png; mv $i $j; done |
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| 01:20.11 | dBsooner | egaudet: no error if I do it first thing after reboot and ssh in |
| 01:20.50 | egaudet | so log what you do to reproduce your problem |
| 01:21.46 | oil | egaudet: i made 4 more icons http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons#Patches_Icons |
| 01:21.54 | oil | devlauncher, nascar, nfl, and sprinttv |
| 01:22.35 | dBsooner | where is the font set for the clock and network name on the home card? |
| 01:22.42 | dBsooner | top left says Sprint |
| 01:26.56 | dBsooner | found it |
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| 01:30.15 | Decimation | anyway i can be let in on the arguement :P |
| 01:38.02 | destinal | egaudet: having one person have control / direction over a project and having your project open source are not mutually exclusive. in fact most OSS projects are done that way |
| 01:38.29 | destinal | egaudet: we're kind of the odd ones out here in webos-internals, and it does cause pain on occasion |
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| 01:41.17 | dBsooner | egaudet: ping |
| 01:42.02 | wh0dat | http://blog.treonauts.com/ seems to have died. used to be a good blog. |
| 01:42.16 | Decimation | rboatright: messaged you the key |
| 01:42.39 | egaudet | yea destinal I was confusing stuff earlier |
| 01:42.45 | egaudet | dBsooner, pong |
| 01:42.48 | dBsooner | woot |
| 01:42.53 | dBsooner | Idea.. for Preware autopatch |
| 01:42.59 | dBsooner | can you have a remove all "patch" |
| 01:43.09 | egaudet | E...P...R |
| 01:43.13 | dBsooner | one that will go through and remove all the ipks that match a certain thingy |
| 01:43.14 | egaudet | :D |
| 01:43.19 | dBsooner | EPR will just remove all? |
| 01:43.26 | egaudet | yea EPR will remove all |
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| 01:43.43 | dBsooner | so say I install like 20 patches |
| 01:43.46 | dBsooner | EPR will remove them all |
| 01:43.49 | dBsooner | then i can update to 1.2 |
| 01:43.49 | dBsooner | :D |
| 01:44.07 | egaudet | yea, and you should even be able to update to 1.2 and then EPR and still be OK |
| 01:44.21 | dBsooner | k |
| 01:44.31 | egaudet | but EPR and then update is safer |
| 01:44.32 | dBsooner | i think my remount problem has to do with usb |
| 01:46.08 | dBsooner | egaudet, scorll up and check my for loop |
| 01:46.14 | dBsooner | I was quite impressed. |
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| 01:47.55 | egaudet | :) |
| 01:50.16 | Decimation | oil: get the list of everything without themes on the git yet? |
| 01:52.32 | oil | the list of everything is the list of everything |
| 01:52.41 | oil | there is an all category under available applications though |
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| 01:55.09 | dBsooner | So, IYHO, how dangerous is it to open up ssh to EVDO interface? |
| 01:58.22 | psykoz | I don't know if it is so much dangerous I'd be worried about, I'd just hate my evdo bandwidth being soaked up by bruteforce attempts |
| 01:58.53 | psykoz | Atleast on an obscure port you get away from that potential bot that strobes IP's that answer to 22 and then starts spamming password attempts |
| 01:59.16 | dBsooner | yeah, I have it on a diff port |
| 01:59.35 | dBsooner | I am just in my work truck along on my work laptop.. I would want to have ssh access so I can use a full keyboard |
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| 02:23.13 | dBsooner | how the hell do you view all in the App catalog? |
| 02:23.27 | psykoz | You don't ;) |
| 02:23.32 | dBsooner | that sucks |
| 02:23.40 | psykoz | I think if you do "Most Recent" |
| 02:23.41 | oil | lol |
| 02:23.48 | psykoz | it's the equivalent of all sorted by latest date |
| 02:23.49 | dBsooner | nope, thats only 50 |
| 02:23.52 | oil | you only et the last 50 in most recent |
| 02:24.04 | psykoz | *grins* |
| 02:24.09 | psykoz | Did not know, go Palm ;> |
| 02:24.10 | dBsooner | you have an idea oil? |
| 02:24.23 | psykoz | wait for new app store? |
| 02:24.38 | oil | the only time i look in the app catalog |
| 02:24.43 | dBsooner | Im just installing all that I can from the current app store before I go patching with ipkg's |
| 02:24.47 | oil | is to look at my app to see ratings/downloads etc |
| 02:24.56 | dBsooner | your app sucks |
| 02:25.00 | dBsooner | :D |
| 02:25.06 | oil | so does yours |
| 02:25.08 | oil | oh wait |
| 02:25.15 | dBsooner | Hey |
| 02:25.17 | PreHero | lol |
| 02:25.19 | dBsooner | If I had one! |
| 02:25.23 | dBsooner | You'd be sorry! |
| 02:26.03 | dBsooner | boo |
| 02:26.09 | dBsooner | App cat: sorry not enough memory |
| 02:26.21 | oil | thats what you get for installing too much crap |
| 02:26.25 | dBsooner | heh |
| 02:26.33 | dBsooner | It's your app that is filling it up |
| 02:26.51 | Abyssul | Does anyone know how to change the color of the "dot" that appears when you press the orange key in a text field? |
| 02:27.03 | rboatright | dsBooner. rwhitby came up with the simple solution for the appcat out of space |
| 02:27.21 | rboatright | move everything out of /var/usr/palm/applications to /var/apptemp |
| 02:27.25 | dBsooner | rboatright: yeah, that's my thread |
| 02:27.27 | rboatright | install whatever you want from the app catalog |
| 02:27.30 | rboatright | then move it back |
| 02:27.39 | dBsooner | and you have to move it off the /var partition completely |
| 02:27.43 | dBsooner | or you'll still get out of memory |
| 02:27.51 | dBsooner | read the OP of the thread he posted that in |
| 02:27.58 | dBsooner | I updated it last night with detailed instructions |
| 02:28.20 | dBsooner | /dev/mapper/store-var |
| 02:28.20 | dBsooner | 248.0M 107.4M 140.6M 43% /var |
| 02:28.38 | dBsooner | 140MB free and Im out of memory. |
| 02:28.39 | dBsooner | :D |
| 02:29.08 | dBsooner | lets look in preware at home many ipkg's are installed.... |
| 02:29.27 | dBsooner | 46 |
| 02:33.47 | dBsooner | tar cf /media/internal/applications.tar /var/usr/palm/applications.tar |
| 02:33.52 | dBsooner | lol |
| 02:34.00 | dBsooner | wrong window and I meant to hit backspace instead of enter |
| 02:34.12 | PreHero | i hope that there is an official change soon for the app space, you cant even download all the apps in the catalog without getting those errors |
| 02:35.47 | dBsooner | what? I just installed without any problems PreHero. |
| 02:35.54 | dBsooner | Had the error, don't anymore. |
| 02:35.59 | dBsooner | And didn't uninstall anything. |
| 02:36.23 | PreHero | without doing all the moving of the files first? |
| 02:36.29 | dBsooner | nope |
| 02:36.32 | dBsooner | well yeah |
| 02:36.34 | dBsooner | I didn't MOVE any |
| 02:36.36 | dBsooner | I tar'd them |
| 02:36.59 | PreHero | ahh, you just shrunk them? |
| 02:37.19 | dBsooner | no, tar'd them to the /media/internal partition |
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| 03:11.15 | Abyssul | ugh I can't change this little dot |
| 03:12.08 | rboatright | Abyssul: suggeston: |
| 03:12.32 | rboatright | can you run some app with a text field in the emulator ? |
| 03:12.36 | raeb | ~seen dexter |
| 03:12.37 | infobot | dexter <n=dexter@ip-88-153-214-143.unitymediagroup.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 58d 12h 1m 15s ago, saying: 'can iptables filter out RST packets?'. |
| 03:12.41 | Abyssul | i dont get it |
| 03:12.46 | rboatright | if so, bring up the emulator, tell it to run the app as inspectable. |
| 03:12.52 | rboatright | the run the inspector |
| 03:12.59 | Abyssul | I dont use the emulator |
| 03:13.00 | rboatright | then press the orange key |
| 03:13.19 | rboatright | and inspect the dom to see what the html is for the item, so you know where it comes from |
| 03:13.34 | Abyssul | how do you press the orange key in the emulator? |
| 03:13.34 | rboatright | Abyssul: this is a case where you NEED to use the emulator to find the code in question |
| 03:14.45 | acydlord | ooh, i just found a new project to work on for the pre |
| 03:14.52 | rboatright | alt key is orange |
| 03:14.58 | Abyssul | thanks |
| 03:15.00 | acydlord | http://fak3r.com/2009/09/14/howto-build-your-own-open-source-dropbox-clone/ |
| 03:16.20 | Decimation | anyone have any info on the msn/yahoo messenger plugin release? |
| 03:16.29 | Abyssul | Very very soon |
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| 03:16.38 | Abyssul | Should have a public release tomorrow |
| 03:18.01 | Abyssul | rboatright: I get "Disconnected. If you get disconnected as soon as you start Palm Inspector, make sure that the app is ready for inspection." |
| 03:18.18 | Abyssul | I have the Flash Apps homebrew app open in the emulator |
| 03:21.40 | PreHero | what flash app? |
| 03:21.51 | Abyssul | Flash Cards |
| 03:21.52 | Abyssul | Sorry |
| 03:26.11 | Abyssul | got it |
| 03:33.36 | Abyssul | Thi inspector doesnt help |
| 03:34.33 | Tilton53 | so I wonder why palm left out some of the kernel modules needed for full cpu scaling |
| 03:34.41 | Tilton53 | they could save some serious battery life that way |
| 03:34.43 | Tilton53 | -.- |
| 03:36.06 | rboatright | Abyssul: gimme a minute |
| 03:36.08 | psykoz | Supposedly they said the upstart wasn't responsive enough and would detract from the user experience so much that it was just better to gloss over the battery issues |
| 03:36.46 | psykoz | I would agree with them, the upstart isn't definitely zippy enough, and the only thing scaling gets you is longer idle time, if you use y our phone regularly throughout the day whether scaling or not it still dies in roughly the same amount of time |
| 03:36.59 | rboatright | geist also said that they tried it and that it didn't actually help. |
| 03:37.15 | Tilton53 | :/ |
| 03:37.30 | Tilton53 | Still it would have been nice to have it as an option |
| 03:37.31 | Tilton53 | XD |
| 03:37.32 | psykoz | I got really long idle times out of my Pre when poking around with the scaling stuff, but I also didn't get notifications |
| 03:37.33 | rboatright | and he ought to know since he's the kernal lead on the palm team |
| 03:37.48 | Abyssul | On my first pre, I got 3% per hour idle, but now I get 11% a hour |
| 03:37.53 | psykoz | It was running so slow that it apparently couldn't do anything I wanted it to do |
| 03:37.54 | Abyssul | (on my second pre) |
| 03:37.57 | Tilton53 | ouch |
| 03:38.20 | rboatright | ouch |
| 03:38.21 | Tilton53 | yeah my biggest issue is battery life |
| 03:38.49 | Abyssul | I can't cpu scale because it freeze my pre |
| 03:39.35 | rboatright | Abyssul: I'll have it in a moment |
| 03:39.49 | Abyssul | Thanks |
| 03:40.07 | Abyssul | I want to know how to use this thing. It might help with my theming process because I have other aspects that I cant figure out either |
| 03:40.14 | rboatright | I brought up the emulator |
| 03:40.33 | rboatright | I started simple big book using the palm-launch batch file with the inspect option |
| 03:40.38 | rboatright | I launched inspector |
| 03:42.23 | Abyssul | Ok |
| 03:46.32 | Tilton53 | Hmm |
| 03:46.42 | Tilton53 | I just watched some videos and there was glitching |
| 03:46.43 | Tilton53 | :/ |
| 03:46.45 | Tilton53 | bummber |
| 03:46.49 | Tilton53 | bummer* |
| 03:46.58 | rboatright | webkit-focus-ring-color; |
| 03:47.39 | raeb | todo: replace center led with rgb led, using left, right, center for r, g, b |
| 03:47.40 | Abyssul | that seems out of my expertise :( |
| 03:47.56 | Tilton53 | rwhitby I wonder if there could be a way to make the pre scale down the cpu when the screen was off |
| 03:48.02 | Tilton53 | kind of like how it turns off wifi |
| 03:48.05 | Tilton53 | >.> |
| 03:48.18 | Tilton53 | that would increase the standby time without screwing up the UI |
| 03:48.30 | Abyssul | There is Tilton |
| 03:48.40 | Tilton53 | how? |
| 03:48.40 | Abyssul | Its in ClipCarl's CPU scaling script |
| 03:49.14 | Abyssul | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html |
| 03:49.35 | Abyssul | (sorry, I know you guys hate precentral links :\) |
| 03:50.14 | egaudet | oil are GNU patch and diffstat supposed to show up in both Applications and linux applications categories in installed packages? |
| 03:51.49 | Tilton53 | Lol Abyssul |
| 03:51.52 | Tilton53 | Thanks for the link |
| 03:52.01 | Abyssul | Does that help? |
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| 03:53.57 | Tilton53 | yes |
| 03:54.11 | edektor | anybody figure out how to take screenshots of the device screen yet?? |
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| 03:57.47 | Tilton53 | get a camera? |
| 03:57.47 | Tilton53 | XD |
| 03:58.02 | edektor | Tilton53: so no?? |
| 03:58.03 | PreHero | lol, just sad |
| 03:58.05 | Abyssul | the device screen? |
| 03:58.09 | edektor | yeah |
| 03:58.23 | edektor | not the emulator |
| 03:58.33 | PreHero | on the pre? |
| 03:58.39 | edektor | yes.. |
| 03:58.40 | Abyssul | Orange + sym + p? |
| 03:58.43 | sampson | the shortcut doesn't work? |
| 03:58.47 | dBsooner | orange key + sym + p? |
| 03:58.54 | PreHero | mine does just fine most everyday |
| 03:59.03 | dBsooner | shoots preWare. |
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| 03:59.32 | egaudet | preware shoots back |
| 03:59.34 | dBsooner | Nope |
| 03:59.38 | edektor | hmmm.. Thanks |
| 03:59.42 | dBsooner | it can't get past "Checking Version" |
| 03:59.45 | dBsooner | to be able to shoot back |
| 03:59.48 | oil | reboot |
| 03:59.49 | egaudet | close/open |
| 03:59.54 | dBsooner | i closed open like 10 times |
| 04:00.04 | dBsooner | rebooting takies too dang long |
| 04:00.19 | Tilton53 | dBsooner try setting the preware settings to update feeds once a day |
| 04:00.35 | dBsooner | does the ipkg service get installed to /var/usr/palm/applications/? |
| 04:00.40 | dBsooner | Wee! Its to Updating now. |
| 04:00.41 | Tilton53 | I had issues with it trying to update everytime |
| 04:00.43 | Tilton53 | XD |
| 04:01.20 | oil | its because the service hangs on loading one of the feeds |
| 04:01.32 | oil | then it wont let any other requests in or whatever |
| 04:01.41 | oil | so it never responds to the first request, which is version check |
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| 04:01.54 | dBsooner | oil, its stuck on Updating now |
| 04:01.59 | dBsooner | it finally passed checking version |
| 04:01.59 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 04:02.32 | oil | one of the feeds could be down |
| 04:02.45 | egaudet | must b |
| 04:02.49 | dBsooner | I "assume" you are working on an if routine for that? |
| 04:02.50 | egaudet | im stuck too |
| 04:03.28 | oil | it has to do with the service |
| 04:03.29 | oil | there is really nothing i can do |
| 04:03.41 | dBsooner | which goes back to the big argument from earlier? |
| 04:03.47 | oil | no |
| 04:03.50 | oil | that was different |
| 04:04.18 | dBsooner | oh |
| 04:05.37 | oil | basically, the service needs to know to time out when a feed is down |
| 04:05.38 | oil | but it doesnt |
| 04:10.22 | egaudet | it's pym |
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| 04:14.01 | ComeAgain | Hello friends... |
| 04:14.57 | ComeAgain | Is anyone here? |
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| 04:15.32 | ComeAgain | Hello |
| 04:15.36 | edektor | huh |
| 04:15.45 | ComeAgain | I have a question if that is alright |
| 04:15.52 | edektor | yeah sure |
| 04:16.38 | ComeAgain | I love webOS but am locked into an iPhone contract... Does it seem plausible to run (via a hack or something) webOS on the iPhone? - Dual boot iPhone OS and webOS |
| 04:17.34 | edektor | it would be a pretty big hack.. and I dont know if anyone is even remotely working on it |
| 04:18.34 | ComeAgain | I know that people used to be working on running linux (the core of webOS) on the iPhone but that seems to have stopped. It seems like it would be awesome to me. As you know, webOS is open source so people should totally start working on it! :) |
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| 04:19.48 | edektor | webOS isnt opensource |
| 04:20.21 | edektor | they use alot of opensource in it |
| 04:20.21 | ComeAgain | http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html |
| 04:20.21 | ComeAgain | What about that |
| 04:20.45 | edektor | those are all the "various open source components used in webOS" |
| 04:21.04 | rboatright | but webOS ___itself_ isn't open source. |
| 04:21.04 | ComeAgain | Ah, so it would be pretty difficult |
| 04:21.11 | rboatright | specifically Luna isn't open source. |
| 04:21.23 | rboatright | it RUNS ON linux, but is not ITSELF a part of linux |
| 04:21.41 | ComeAgain | So how hard a project is it? rboatright: Do you knwo of anyone trying to port it to the iPhone? |
| 04:21.47 | rboatright | nope |
| 04:21.54 | rboatright | it would be a truely HUGE project |
| 04:21.57 | ComeAgain | Darn, it would be so cool! |
| 04:22.30 | rboatright | you would have to bascially start with the old PC version of webos that the earliest developers used that ran inside of safari |
| 04:22.39 | rboatright | but that is many revs out of date now |
| 04:22.56 | rboatright | it would be enormous. Similar say to porting Windows Mobile to the iphone. |
| 04:23.32 | edektor | rboatright: there is a project for that??? |
| 04:23.43 | rboatright | no |
| 04:23.49 | ComeAgain | rboatright: you are right, but wouldn't it be easier since WebOS has some open source components |
| 04:23.50 | edektor | oh.. good |
| 04:24.02 | rboatright | ComeAgain: not really. |
| 04:24.19 | rboatright | LunaSysMgr is non-trival and no ssource exits. |
| 04:24.53 | ComeAgain | What is that? |
| 04:25.20 | rboatright | it's the core of webOS |
| 04:25.54 | ComeAgain | What about making something so that it would run? Like VMWare Fusion? |
| 04:26.01 | ComeAgain | If that makes any sense... |
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| 04:32.28 | rboatright | it's a binary |
| 04:32.38 | rboatright | we have two versions. ARM and x86 |
| 04:32.56 | rboatright | ComeAgain: bascially the answer is "no" |
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| 04:36.12 | egaudet | uhh so I'm in preware looking at screenshots of the l4d theme, scrolling the screenshots and then luna restarts... |
| 04:36.13 | egaudet | wtf |
| 04:37.12 | oil | doesnt here |
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| 04:42.57 | egaudet | it was weird i dunno |
| 04:43.14 | oil | well |
| 04:43.26 | oil | i have a feeling like 900 people are going to ask why it wont stop loading |
| 04:43.27 | oil | thanks puff |
| 04:43.52 | dBsooner | Mind if I spam about 8 lines real quick? :D |
| 04:44.10 | oil | pastebin |
| 04:44.14 | dBsooner | k |
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| 04:47.25 | dBsooner | http://webos.pastebin.com/d593aa510 |
| 04:47.56 | dBsooner | http://webos.pastebin.com/d57395d14 |
| 04:48.06 | dBsooner | first is to relocate apps |
| 04:48.11 | dBsooner | second is to restore them |
| 04:52.49 | egaudet | ? |
| 04:53.01 | dBsooner | I was bored |
| 04:53.15 | dBsooner | I made a shell script to quickly get rid of my apps dir so I can use App Cat |
| 04:53.20 | dBsooner | then put it back when I am done |
| 04:54.04 | egaudet | saving terminal so you can run it from your pre |
| 04:54.08 | dBsooner | yep |
| 04:54.44 | egaudet | nice just make sure you don't get too close to the /var space limit |
| 04:55.08 | dBsooner | yeah I got plenty of room |
| 04:55.14 | dBsooner | i am finished using it now |
| 04:55.21 | dBsooner | and I still ahve like 60 megs free |
| 04:55.41 | dBsooner | err 106 emgs free |
| 04:55.54 | egaudet | how? |
| 04:56.01 | dBsooner | what do you mean? |
| 04:56.03 | egaudet | oh yea nm |
| 04:56.05 | egaudet | it's late |
| 04:56.07 | dBsooner | lol |
| 04:56.08 | egaudet | lol |
| 04:56.23 | dBsooner | I THOUGhT about making that shellscript a service |
| 04:56.31 | dBsooner | with a UI frontend |
| 04:56.43 | dBsooner | but if my contact was correct, it won't be needed "soon" |
| 04:58.31 | dBsooner | egaudet, are the *.patches.* dirs supposed to stay if they aren't installed? |
| 04:59.10 | dBsooner | root@castle:/var/usr/palm/applications# ls -l org.webosinternals.patches.* |
| 04:59.10 | dBsooner | org.webosinternals.patches.charcounter: |
| 04:59.10 | dBsooner | org.webosinternals.patches.message-forwarding: |
| 04:59.10 | dBsooner | root@castle:/var/usr/palm/applications# |
| 04:59.35 | HattCzech | oohhh, charcounter :) hehe |
| 04:59.58 | HattCzech | i guess someone put that in the git repo |
| 05:00.29 | dBsooner | is one of the darn repo's down again? |
| 05:00.33 | dBsooner | or still* |
| 05:00.45 | egaudet | HattCzech, yea I did |
| 05:00.45 | HattCzech | beats me |
| 05:00.59 | egaudet | dBsooner, preyourmind is down |
| 05:01.12 | dBsooner | goes to temporarily mv preyourmind.conf |
| 05:01.13 | HattCzech | ahh, thanks egaudet |
| 05:01.26 | egaudet | and it's getting auto packaged with the rest of them |
| 05:01.43 | dBsooner | 0.1.11? |
| 05:02.06 | egaudet | I'm trying to get all the patches around into ipk's, got like what 45-50 right now |
| 05:02.11 | egaudet | yea dBsooner, icons |
| 05:02.16 | dBsooner | nice |
| 05:02.48 | dBsooner | hmm.. "mv preyourmind.conf preyourmind.conf.bak" and now Preware is stuck on "Checking version" |
| 05:03.05 | oil | sigh |
| 05:03.21 | dBsooner | blah.. I'll just ipkg -o /var install blah |
| 05:03.30 | dBsooner | wait, there it goes |
| 05:03.30 | oil | or wait 5 minutes |
| 05:03.35 | oil | or reboot your phone |
| 05:03.38 | dBsooner | NO |
| 05:03.41 | dBsooner | reboot takes too long |
| 05:03.44 | oil | then stfu about it |
| 05:03.44 | dBsooner | come oil it |
| 05:04.02 | dBsooner | cries cuz oil is mean. |
| 05:04.56 | HattCzech | hehe |
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| 05:07.28 | dBsooner | egaudet: more icons per row = broke |
| 05:07.43 | egaudet | broke as in |
| 05:08.14 | gkfsdhgkj | idk whats up with pym, i cant ssh into it.... its at mannheim university so its not like i can check it physically |
| 05:08.36 | egaudet | Puff? |
| 05:08.51 | dBsooner | failed: /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.more-icons-per-row/more-icons-per-row.patch: No such file or direcfory |
| 05:09.29 | dBsooner | then fail on line 19 of postinst |
| 05:09.29 | dBsooner | because it can't find taht patch file |
| 05:09.41 | egaudet | because it doesn't exist |
| 05:09.49 | egaudet | because i gotta find out now |
| 05:10.07 | dBsooner | that's like my main patch |
| 05:10.09 | dBsooner | 4x4 |
| 05:10.10 | dBsooner | :D |
| 05:15.46 | dBsooner | so these patches install.. but don't work. |
| 05:15.47 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 05:18.43 | dBsooner | yep, egaudet. They install great though. No errors. But none have worked so far. |
| 05:19.00 | edektor | how can I change the dimensions of the emulator to see how things look for the pixi? |
| 05:19.16 | egaudet | dBsooner, none will work until a luna restart |
| 05:19.20 | dBsooner | duh |
| 05:19.21 | dBsooner | I knew that |
| 05:19.22 | dBsooner | lol |
| 05:19.25 | dBsooner | I just thought of that |
| 05:19.57 | egaudet | I also have to create a 4x4 patch as well, I think add_more_icons patch is the 5x4 one. I think it is Decimation's |
| 05:20.01 | dBsooner | initctl stop/start the best? |
| 05:20.10 | dBsooner | i might like 5x4 |
| 05:20.27 | dBsooner | I have only used 4x4.. so 5x4 might be better. |
| 05:20.42 | dBsooner | Can you push that patch before I restart luna? |
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| 05:27.04 | dBsooner | egaudet: patch file missing from capture-with-volume-keys too |
| 05:27.41 | mikegodz | I'm having an issue removing an old version of the virtual keyboard. |
| 05:27.44 | egaudet | there's a few that are like that and shold be fixed .12 |
| 05:28.05 | dBsooner | which you'll push....? |
| 05:28.21 | egaudet | which will be autobuilt on schedule |
| 05:28.28 | egaudet | every 15th minute |
| 05:28.28 | mikegodz | getting the error removing [4] code |
| 05:28.36 | egaudet | what installer? |
| 05:28.50 | dBsooner | egaudet: when does the TI go through? |
| 05:28.59 | egaudet | TI? |
| 05:29.05 | dBsooner | the autobuild thingy |
| 05:29.24 | egaudet | every 15 minutes |
| 05:29.30 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 05:30.04 | egaudet | mikegodz, what installer |
| 05:30.27 | mikegodz | I'm pretty new with all this... |
| 05:30.38 | dBsooner | what program are you using to remove it? |
| 05:30.39 | mikegodz | I was using preware |
| 05:30.40 | dBsooner | Preware? |
| 05:30.48 | dBsooner | tap of view log |
| 05:31.06 | mikegodz | just a sec |
| 05:31.30 | egaudet | pym is back up |
| 05:31.47 | dBsooner | cool, thanks, restoring the conf |
| 05:32.28 | mikegodz | the ipk log? |
| 05:32.34 | dBsooner | yes |
| 05:32.53 | mikegodz | "no log" |
| 05:33.10 | dBsooner | nice.. egaudet, your up. :D |
| 05:33.48 | egaudet | ? no log ? |
| 05:33.55 | oil | view the log right after you get teh error |
| 05:34.08 | oil | if you navigate away then then return itl be blank |
| 05:34.53 | mikegodz | gotcha: confirm: no output, unlock: no output, prerm: no output |
| 05:35.07 | dBsooner | at the bottom |
| 05:35.08 | dBsooner | is failure |
| 05:35.11 | dBsooner | or Fail: |
| 05:35.25 | dBsooner | what's it say under those. Particularly in red. |
| 05:36.20 | dBsooner | egaudet: make that autobuild go faster. :) |
| 05:36.21 | mikegodz | no md5sums.patched file!? |
| 05:37.06 | egaudet | How did you originally install the keyboard? |
| 05:37.12 | mikegodz | preware |
| 05:37.39 | egaudet | when |
| 05:37.55 | mikegodz | I installed an update last week. |
| 05:38.06 | egaudet | what do you mean "installed an update" |
| 05:38.31 | mikegodz | removed the old version and put in the new version with preware |
| 05:38.50 | egaudet | k |
| 05:39.22 | mikegodz | I tried to do the same with the current update but got the error file when I tried removing it. |
| 05:39.45 | egaudet | do you have access to linux? |
| 05:40.13 | dBsooner | egaudet means via SSH to the pre or via Terminal App on the pre. |
| 05:40.43 | mikegodz | I've got a terminal up on my mac and got as far as the root@castle:/# but I don't know where to go from there. |
| 05:40.43 | psykoz | Wish we had a "List everything" options where you could still filter on category, too many themes :( |
| 05:41.34 | psykoz | ooh, someone made a mario theme, this will go good with my mario coin notification sound, and then mario 1up calendar alert |
| 05:41.35 | egaudet | mikegodz, good that's what we need |
| 05:41.49 | egaudet | from root@castle:/# I want you to type the following |
| 05:42.02 | egaudet | ls /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/ |
| 05:42.08 | egaudet | and tell me the output |
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| 05:43.17 | mikegodz | just the root@castle:/# prompt again |
| 05:43.50 | egaudet | ls /var/usr/palm/applications/ |
| 05:44.39 | dBsooner | another feed down? |
| 05:45.03 | egaudet | no |
| 05:45.26 | dBsooner | k |
| 05:45.37 | oil | preyourmind is actually back up |
| 05:45.41 | mikegodz | org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard shows up, but I got an error |
| 05:45.55 | egaudet | ? |
| 05:46.02 | mikegodz | novacomd socket was closed prematurely |
| 05:46.37 | egaudet | go back in, don't know why that happened |
| 05:47.01 | mikegodz | Ok I'm back |
| 05:47.26 | egaudet | ls -la /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/ |
| 05:47.54 | mikegodz | drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 27 08:28 . drwxr-sr-x 37 root root 4096 Sep 27 10:58 .. |
| 05:48.22 | egaudet | after you installed the keyboard successfully the last time, you haven't done anything else with it? |
| 05:48.28 | dBsooner | just remove that directory and install it again? |
| 05:48.33 | egaudet | no |
| 05:48.36 | dBsooner | dang |
| 05:48.37 | egaudet | the directory is empty |
| 05:48.52 | dBsooner | r5ight, so couldn't you just install it again? |
| 05:48.53 | egaudet | mikegodz, preware is showing the keyboard as installed? |
| 05:49.00 | egaudet | not if preware thinks it's installed |
| 05:49.16 | mikegodz | Yeah. I can't figure that out. |
| 05:49.25 | dBsooner | right, is it just basing if off that directory being there? |
| 05:49.33 | mikegodz | It won't load and I can't remove it |
| 05:49.40 | egaudet | mikegodz, type the following |
| 05:49.40 | dBsooner | because If i move a directory out of apps, preware doesn't think that app is installed anymore |
| 05:49.55 | egaudet | md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js |
| 05:50.36 | mikegodz | This is what I get: 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js |
| 05:50.43 | egaudet | ok that's good |
| 05:50.56 | egaudet | rm -rf /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/ |
| 05:51.14 | mikegodz | ok |
| 05:51.18 | egaudet | and then restart preware and see if it still shows as installed |
| 05:51.26 | dBsooner | hopes it doesn't. :D |
| 05:52.29 | mikegodz | still only gives me the remove option. |
| 05:52.56 | dBsooner | wait.. egaudet.. that won't remove thed ir |
| 05:53.00 | dBsooner | the dir* |
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| 05:53.09 | egaudet | yea it will |
| 05:53.28 | dBsooner | you sure? |
| 05:53.31 | egaudet | yea |
| 05:53.39 | egaudet | oil |
| 05:53.45 | dBsooner | you put that trailing / on there |
| 05:53.50 | egaudet | doesn't matter |
| 05:53.53 | dBsooner | that ould only remove stuff inside the dir |
| 05:53.58 | egaudet | no |
| 05:54.03 | dBsooner | ok |
| 05:54.09 | egaudet | rm -rf dir/* would remove stuff in the dir |
| 05:54.12 | egaudet | and leave the dir |
| 05:54.19 | dBsooner | btw, 0.1.12 fixes |
| 05:54.22 | egaudet | rm -rf dir and rm -rf dir/ will behave same |
| 05:54.51 | egaudet | mikegodz, what version of preware |
| 05:55.12 | dBsooner | we need to add a restart luna option to the preware menu |
| 05:55.28 | mikegodz | I just downloaded v.0.9.0 today |
| 05:56.10 | egaudet | type this command into terminal: |
| 05:56.19 | egaudet | ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard |
| 05:56.24 | oil | anyone with 091 installed have problems? |
| 05:56.29 | oil | is thinking about releasing it |
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| 05:56.33 | dBsooner | I have no problems |
| 05:56.40 | mikegodz | ok |
| 05:56.41 | dBsooner | it actually fixed some problems |
| 05:56.52 | dBsooner | like packages not showing as "out of date" |
| 05:57.06 | mikegodz | Removing package org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard from root... (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.prerm) |
| 05:57.14 | dBsooner | sweet |
| 05:57.21 | egaudet | mikegodz, now try to install it with preware |
| 05:57.23 | dBsooner | now you'll be able to restart preware |
| 05:57.30 | dBsooner | egaudet is da bomb |
| 05:57.38 | psykoz | Hrmm |
| 05:57.43 | dBsooner | is old |
| 05:58.03 | dBsooner | egaudet: If you email me how to port the patches, I can give you hand. |
| 05:58.07 | dBsooner | I would like to have the 4x4. :D |
| 05:58.26 | mikegodz | installing... |
| 05:58.42 | egaudet | you have a couple of options of generating a patch, you can manage it right on your pre following the wiki. |
| 05:58.56 | egaudet | Personally I like using git |
| 05:59.17 | dBsooner | well, I wanted to do it the way tou do so i can just hand you the patch |
| 05:59.26 | egaudet | I extracted the doctor image and made a git repo for base 1.1.0 |
| 05:59.27 | dBsooner | and you can look it over and send er off |
| 05:59.44 | egaudet | i tagged the repo with v1.1.0 |
| 06:00.15 | egaudet | and then I modify stuff there, and do "git diff -b > name.patch" |
| 06:00.58 | egaudet | for the keyboard I actually commit changes to my git tree because that's a longer term development project |
| 06:01.07 | mikegodz | works great! thanks egaudet. there's no way I could have figured this one out anytime soon. |
| 06:01.30 | egaudet | I have no idea how you got into that state, but I'm glad I could help |
| 06:02.04 | dBsooner | egaudet |
| 06:02.19 | dBsooner | I have the .patch files WOQI uses |
| 06:02.21 | mikegodz | question about the keyboard. the old version allowed for a left swipe to remove it from the screen. the new version doesn't seem to. |
| 06:02.28 | mikegodz | how do I get it off? |
| 06:02.37 | dBsooner | tap the gesture once |
| 06:02.39 | psykoz | tap |
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| 06:03.19 | mikegodz | alright. now I know it's time for bed. thanks again. |
| 06:04.02 | egaudet | I found a bug in the keyboard that doesn't remove the keyboard when you tap if you change text fields from whichever you were in when you called it |
| 06:04.22 | egaudet | 'll track it down another time |
| 06:04.42 | psykoz | I encounter that bug a lot, so I just stopped trying to switch text fields in the background |
| 06:04.51 | egaudet | dBsooner, .patch files are all we need |
| 06:05.20 | dBsooner | eguadet: 4x4 icons: http://webos.pastebin.com/d39bb534 |
| 06:05.33 | egaudet | psykoz, go back to the original text field and then tap for now :( I'll fix it |
| 06:06.02 | egaudet | where do you get the patch files from wosqi |
| 06:06.14 | dBsooner | shhh |
| 06:06.42 | dBsooner | I only have the ones I isntalled |
| 06:06.55 | dBsooner | creating you a pastebin |
| 06:07.12 | dBsooner | if you give me a place to ftp these to, I can use ftpput on the pre to send teh patches off |
| 06:07.33 | dBsooner | or I'll just grab them off myself and send them to you |
| 06:10.18 | egaudet | emoney_33@yahoo.com |
| 06:11.10 | egaudet | i'm gonna go to bed |
| 06:11.15 | dBsooner | egaudet |
| 06:11.16 | egaudet | anything else before I take off |
| 06:11.18 | dBsooner | http://webos.pastebin.com/d5cd17eb7 |
| 06:11.36 | dBsooner | that should shwo you were the patches are located on the pre |
| 06:11.43 | dBsooner | and it shows you what patch files I have. |
| 06:12.40 | dBsooner | ill email them to you |
| 06:12.46 | dBsooner | tar'd them up |
| 06:13.36 | egaudet | OK and yea I'm going to synchronize with Jason to see all of the patches he's already created rather than redoing the work. He's already offered to help, and I think he's said that QI will just keep the dynamic tweaks like ones that require user input for customization |
| 06:14.12 | dBsooner | so its pointless for me to send these to you? |
| 06:14.17 | egaudet | and then all installers can just use the ipks and people can install/uninstall patches from whatever installer is their favorite |
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| 06:14.53 | egaudet | yea dBsooner if I need them sooner I can always just throw up QI on my emulator or pre |
| 06:15.03 | dBsooner | well damn you |
| 06:15.06 | dBsooner | cuz I just sent them |
| 06:15.07 | dBsooner | lol |
| 06:15.11 | egaudet | but if you want to, you can :P |
| 06:16.06 | egaudet | ok well I need some sleep, let me know of any other patch issues |
| 06:16.12 | dBsooner | ok |
| 06:16.16 | dBsooner | im about to crash too |
| 06:16.19 | dBsooner | I'll play more tomorrow |
| 06:16.28 | dBsooner | i installed like 20 and nothing has broken |
| 06:16.54 | egaudet | good good :D, good night |
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| 09:21.53 | SMKOUT333 | greg |
| 09:22.05 | SMKOUT333 | hows it going man? |
| 09:23.41 | greg_roll | SMKOUT333: very good ill have a new IPK shortly |
| 09:23.50 | greg_roll | got the installer all good just tryingn to get facebook to work |
| 09:23.55 | greg_roll | then i think its showtime :) |
| 09:26.57 | SMKOUT333 | Awesome! |
| 09:27.08 | SMKOUT333 | The .jar or the actual executable |
| 09:27.11 | SMKOUT333 | ? |
| 09:27.34 | SMKOUT333 | define your above shortly :P |
| 09:29.16 | greg_roll | ummm the IPK that installs everything we did manually for you |
| 09:29.19 | greg_roll | thats all good |
| 09:30.03 | SMKOUT333 | do you need a quick test again? |
| 09:30.06 | SMKOUT333 | :) |
| 09:37.27 | hmagoo | dBsooner have you ever gotten that patch to work |
| 09:37.42 | hmagoo | whoops, capture with volume keys |
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| 09:40.29 | SMKOUT333 | sorry greg, I got disconnected somehow |
| 09:41.22 | SMKOUT333 | eta till new ipk? |
| 09:50.21 | SMKOUT333 | hola |
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| 10:45.53 | jettero | SMKOUT333: he hasn't responded since you were here last. Also, he just got back. |
| 10:46.08 | jettero | greg_roll: SMKOUT333 is wondering on the eta on the new ipk. I'm relaying this message because I'm avoiding work |
| 10:46.24 | greg_roll | very very shortly |
| 10:46.29 | greg_roll | maybe the next 10 minutes :) |
| 10:46.38 | jettero | :) |
| 10:46.41 | jettero | what is the ipk of? |
| 10:47.58 | greg_roll | messaging plugins :) |
| 10:48.21 | jettero | :) |
| 10:48.33 | jettero | I love the homebrew scene that's going on. |
| 10:48.40 | jettero | What a fucking fun phone |
| 10:49.39 | greg_roll | yeah its very cool!!! |
| 10:49.59 | jettero | It's still a little young. But with 1.2 around the corner, it's clear Palm hasn't abandoned us yet |
| 10:52.17 | greg_roll | yeah its looking good! |
| 10:52.21 | greg_roll | if only i had one |
| 10:52.55 | jettero | lol |
| 10:52.58 | jettero | waiting for the gsm? |
| 10:53.27 | jettero | I paid $600usd for mine and don't even resent the people paying $100 for theirs |
| 10:53.35 | greg_roll | yeah |
| 10:54.04 | jettero | I've already gotten $600 worth of fun out of it. There's so much networking you can do! |
| 10:55.30 | jettero | I'm learning a bunch more Mojo too. :) |
| 10:56.46 | greg_roll | yeah its a very cool phone |
| 10:56.52 | greg_roll | i started looking at it for the challenge |
| 10:56.58 | greg_roll | hense i made prebrew |
| 10:57.19 | jettero | wtf? you just like learning for learning's sake? I can respect that. |
| 10:58.24 | greg_roll | yeah plus i want the phone |
| 10:58.27 | greg_roll | but i have to wait... |
| 10:59.01 | jettero | are you in UK? |
| 10:59.07 | jettero | nope, au |
| 10:59.16 | jettero | too bad, I just read you can't use the phone to help you navigate |
| 10:59.21 | jettero | wait, newzealand, nm |
| 11:00.36 | greg_roll | yep im in AU |
| 11:00.46 | greg_roll | and the diffence between pre and emu doesnt help |
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| 11:01.12 | jettero | there do seem to be a few |
| 11:01.42 | jettero | I'm using virtualbox for dev on my couple hobby apps |
| 11:01.45 | greg_roll | yeah i actually had to make messaging work on the emu so i could test my stuff |
| 11:01.59 | greg_roll | is SMKOUT333 still about? |
| 11:03.33 | jettero | he hasn't been disconnected.... |
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| 11:04.49 | greg_roll | cool ill try and PM him again |
| 11:05.04 | jettero | (you could /whois SMKOUT333 ...) |
| 11:05.36 | greg_roll | must be broken, hes been away 56 mins lol |
| 11:06.49 | greg_roll | anyone want to test live,yahoo and ICQ plugins? I think its ready for primetime? |
| 11:06.50 | jettero | it seems he's using Qwest, not Sprint, so it's his craapy irc client, not your messenger |
| 11:07.10 | jettero | I literally don't have live or icq, and only use yahoo for a couple message boards... |
| 11:07.19 | jettero | otherwise I'd probably help you out |
| 11:08.34 | greg_roll | no worries at all might have to try tomorrow when more people are on |
| 11:21.27 | jettero | wtf? I just keymashed like 12 keys (no idea which ones, some kind of coffee spasm) and vim sent something to my printer |
| 11:22.05 | greg_roll | nice! lol |
| 11:24.23 | jettero | it printed the part I was trying to backspace over... |
| 11:24.26 | jettero | wtf did I hit? |
| 11:28.45 | greg_roll | well i think im going to call it a night |
| 11:28.51 | greg_roll | will speak to you later |
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| 12:38.56 | FreeTim | How goes it Rick |
| 12:39.08 | rboatright | just u and sipping first coffee |
| 12:39.13 | rboatright | up |
| 12:39.17 | rboatright | not going at all yet |
| 12:39.50 | FreeTim | yep:) I'm at my dayjob working... or pretending to. |
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| 13:30.22 | dBsooner | egaudet: ping |
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| 13:49.42 | rboatright | of too work bbl |
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| 14:26.11 | sampson | has anyone tried playing with android within a chrooted environment on the pre |
| 14:27.32 | infusionservers | sampson it is on my todo list |
| 14:27.33 | infusionservers | :) |
| 14:28.39 | Templarian | I sent it. A long lengthy email to get Komodo to be shown side-by-side next to eclipse as a officially supported Editor. |
| 14:29.43 | sampson | i don't know all the requirements for android but from what i've been reading all the necessaries should exist in the pre' |
| 14:29.57 | sampson | *pre's kernel so you should be able to continue with booting after modifying some init scripts |
| 14:30.32 | FreeTim | Hear, hear! Komodo +webAdd-On rules |
| 14:31.35 | infusionservers | Komodo FTW |
| 14:31.36 | infusionservers | : |
| 14:31.37 | infusionservers | :) |
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| 14:52.50 | atlanta | Hey |
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| 15:02.50 | egaudet | dBsooner, pong |
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| 15:20.20 | PuffTheMagic | just got NFS:Shift |
| 15:20.24 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 15:23.11 | atlanta | how is it |
| 15:23.11 | atlanta | ? |
| 15:23.24 | PuffTheMagic | still copying game data to HD |
| 15:23.28 | atlanta | looks more of a grand turismo game now |
| 15:23.37 | atlanta | i like the cops and shti |
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| 15:23.47 | PuffTheMagic | the new gt still aint out |
| 15:23.50 | PuffTheMagic | i cant beleive it |
| 15:23.59 | PuffTheMagic | they have been working on it since before the ps3 came out |
| 15:24.09 | atlanta | lol |
| 15:24.10 | PuffTheMagic | i hear they contracted a dev team for each car |
| 15:24.15 | PuffTheMagic | out of house |
| 15:24.19 | PuffTheMagic | which is why its taking to long |
| 15:25.01 | PuffTheMagic | but yeah it does look sick |
| 15:25.08 | PuffTheMagic | im not gonna get any programming done now |
| 15:25.14 | atlanta | lol |
| 15:25.31 | PuffTheMagic | i havent bought a game for the ps3 in a while though |
| 15:25.46 | atlanta | the graphics on the new gt look sick |
| 15:25.52 | atlanta | yea i got the slim model |
| 15:26.00 | atlanta | waiting on the new COD to come out |
| 15:26.57 | PuffTheMagic | its been on 98now for 6 min |
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| 15:27.10 | PuffTheMagic | wtf is it doing |
| 15:27.20 | atlanta | damn |
| 15:27.20 | atlanta | lol |
| 15:29.23 | atlanta | the gtr on GT5 is rediculous |
| 15:29.57 | PuffTheMagic | yay its loaded |
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| 15:45.55 | PuffTheMagic | this shit is hard |
| 15:56.12 | atlanta | lol |
| 15:56.39 | dBsooner | eguadet: ping, again. :D |
| 15:58.13 | dBsooner | I'll go ahead and put it here, because I have to go back into a job real quick. I jus gtwanted to make sure you got my email. |
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| 16:12.19 | punzada | hey anyone ever have any issues with the light sensor not working? I seem to either be having an issue with either the phone speaker or the sensor not detecting and switching over to it |
| 16:14.29 | punzada | proximity censor i should say |
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| 16:19.18 | egaudet | no i didn't get your email |
| 16:22.01 | dBsooner | lies |
| 16:22.07 | dBsooner | check your spam folder egaudet |
| 16:23.28 | punzada | nevermind @ my question, found a thread about it. |
| 16:23.49 | dBsooner | punzada: proximity sensor |
| 16:26.47 | egaudet | Jason will be contributing the patches he has been maintaining today or tomorrow |
| 16:27.11 | dBsooner | :( |
| 16:27.21 | dBsooner | Can you PRETTY please add the 4x4 i sent you at least. |
| 16:27.31 | dBsooner | I want to know I actually contributed. |
| 16:27.36 | dBsooner | and I REALLY want to use it |
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| 16:28.32 | egaudet | I won't be able to do it until tonight or tomorrow myself |
| 16:28.42 | egaudet | and you have contributed |
| 16:28.57 | egaudet | your feedback from testing has been extremely helpful |
| 16:29.41 | dBsooner | cries because he has fat thumbs and 5x4 is too small. |
| 16:29.45 | egaudet | I'll be sure to let you know as soon as the 4x4 patch is in :D |
| 16:29.52 | dBsooner | Can you tell me how I can make the IPKG on my own with the patch? |
| 16:30.12 | dBsooner | and just install it on my own for now and uninstall it whenever your's is avail |
| 16:30.26 | dBsooner | BTW, i thought of an idea to prevent incompatibles |
| 16:30.45 | egaudet | You can go over the build.git repo to see how they are being built and follow the Makefile mold |
| 16:30.54 | egaudet | I can go over that in more detail tonight (at work right now) |
| 16:30.55 | dBsooner | k |
| 16:31.02 | dBsooner | yeah, Im at work too |
| 16:31.05 | egaudet | also you could use QI tweak to get the functionality |
| 16:31.10 | dBsooner | It would be at least 7-8pm central before I get hoem. |
| 16:31.17 | egaudet | and then remove the tweak and go to ipk when it's available |
| 16:31.31 | egaudet | today's monday, that means house, heroes and big bang ! |
| 16:31.44 | dBsooner | I could just patch with quilt then remove it as well |
| 16:31.59 | egaudet | yea |
| 16:32.02 | dBsooner | Anyway, my idea. |
| 16:32.11 | dBsooner | You ever build roms for WinMO? |
| 16:32.21 | egaudet | you have the .patch so you can get in there whatever is easiest to you |
| 16:32.25 | egaudet | no |
| 16:32.30 | egaudet | I stay away from win* |
| 16:33.22 | egaudet | (in a life without Walls... who needs Windows!!) :P |
| 16:33.22 | dBsooner | Ok, with WinMo we had a way of building roms with "package" |
| 16:33.22 | dBsooner | s/package/packages/ |
| 16:33.22 | dBsooner | we could link those packages |
| 16:33.27 | dBsooner | so when the user selected ONE of the XX, it wouldn't allow you to pick any others |
| 16:33.47 | egaudet | what is XX |
| 16:33.57 | dBsooner | could you make the ipkg have a variable that if one with the same variable was installed, it wouldn't allow it to be installed. |
| 16:34.02 | dBsooner | One of # |
| 16:34.05 | dBsooner | 1 of 2 |
| 16:34.07 | dBsooner | 1 of 3 |
| 16:34.21 | egaudet | ipk handles conflicts, so known conflicts can be handled in the ipk metadata |
| 16:34.31 | dBsooner | so if you had 5 different "themes", it would only allow you to select one. |
| 16:34.38 | egaudet | the problem with patches is there are so many differnet combinations it's hard to know ahead of time what conflicts |
| 16:35.00 | dBsooner | I was simply thinking of for the 4x4 and 5x4 in particular |
| 16:35.10 | dBsooner | when you have patches modifying the same space |
| 16:35.17 | egaudet | right well since the ipk are a install one at a time type thing |
| 16:35.56 | dBsooner | Did you like my idea of adding a "restart luna" to the drop-down menu, or inside settings? |
| 16:36.03 | egaudet | you don't select multiple patches at a time. Also I can't go through every patch and parse the diff to find out all the conflicts dynamically |
| 16:36.23 | egaudet | it's one possibility, but I would rather see restart luna be a notification/dash item |
| 16:36.25 | dBsooner | right, I didn't know if IPKG's had a metadeta header you could poll |
| 16:36.51 | egaudet | yea the metadata has conflicts and depends |
| 16:36.54 | dBsooner | get info of all the packages looking for a certain flag in the metadata |
| 16:37.20 | dBsooner | if (launcher-icon-num-flag=1) then ( exit 1) |
| 16:37.36 | egaudet | so if the ipk for 5x4 had conflicts with 4x4 in it then i believe ipkg/preware would let you know |
| 16:37.45 | dBsooner | meaning, if when you did an ipkg list and if found a packagef with that flag set, it wouldn't install the one the user tried to install. |
| 16:37.49 | egaudet | but even if it doesn't have conflict, the patch will still fail to install if you have the other installed |
| 16:38.08 | dBsooner | Right, I am just trying to think of a way to prevent that. |
| 16:38.16 | egaudet | prevent what? |
| 16:38.38 | dBsooner | the user from seeing a failure |
| 16:38.49 | dBsooner | what causes a user to come crying to the channel? failures |
| 16:39.04 | dBsooner | if we can grab that failure before it happens, it prevents user confusion. |
| 16:39.06 | egaudet | I will throw a brick at a user that has 4x4 installed and tries to install 5x4 over it :P |
| 16:39.20 | dBsooner | Sweet! |
| 16:39.25 | dBsooner | Can I video record it? |
| 16:39.27 | Mousey | there's 5x4??? |
| 16:39.31 | Mousey | tries to install over 4x4 |
| 16:39.39 | egaudet | i'm j/k, I understand your point, and oil could probably grey out conflicting packages or something |
| 16:39.44 | dBsooner | Mousey yes.. butr if you have fat thumbs like me, it's not great. |
| 16:39.45 | egaudet | lol |
| 16:39.58 | Mousey | oh, i don't have thumbs, i'm just a mouse |
| 16:40.05 | dBsooner | figures |
| 16:40.06 | Mousey | ok, i kinda have thumbs |
| 16:40.16 | dBsooner | they are more like talons |
| 16:40.30 | egaudet | It's still going to be hard to track all the conflicts |
| 16:40.33 | Mousey | i like to think of them as expert systems for cheese handling |
| 16:40.35 | dBsooner | anyone here an exchange person? |
| 16:40.54 | egaudet | the 4x4 - 5x4 is easy, but there will surely be other future conflicts that aren't picked up right away |
| 16:41.17 | dBsooner | as we find them, we add a flag to them |
| 16:41.31 | dBsooner | Unless someone here volunteers to install ALL tweaks |
| 16:41.37 | dBsooner | points at his emulator at home. |
| 16:41.46 | Mousey | is there a betting pool for 1.2 this week? can i get in on some wednesday action? |
| 16:42.23 | dBsooner | I bet it won't clear this week |
| 16:42.39 | dBsooner | if so, I'll take wed as wedll |
| 16:42.47 | dBsooner | err, if it does |
| 16:42.49 | punzada | just ordered his 2600 battery :D |
| 16:42.53 | dBsooner | but i bet it waits |
| 16:43.05 | dBsooner | punzada: do they have a touchstone back for it yhet? |
| 16:43.12 | punzada | nope |
| 16:43.19 | dBsooner | shakes his head.. no love from me then. |
| 16:43.30 | dBsooner | I just want an external battery only charger |
| 16:43.37 | dBsooner | one I can keep a spare battery or two in |
| 16:43.40 | Mousey | i wish the touchstone worked with the USB->USB instead of just ->wall |
| 16:43.40 | punzada | that would be nice as well |
| 16:43.53 | dBsooner | not enough juice from a usb poirt |
| 16:44.01 | punzada | yeah |
| 16:44.08 | punzada | usb from a pc is very poor charging |
| 16:44.19 | dBsooner | yeah.. I wouldn't charge anything from usb on pc |
| 16:44.22 | punzada | I noticed from my last phone i couldn't even tether to a full extent on usb power |
| 16:44.26 | dBsooner | I shy away from that at aall costs. |
| 16:44.29 | punzada | it would drain more then charge |
| 16:44.50 | dBsooner | that's why I wish there was a 4th option for the USB->PC connection with the Pre. |
| 16:44.50 | dBsooner | DO nothing. |
| 16:44.50 | dBsooner | :D |
| 16:44.51 | punzada | had to keep it to minimal browsing, no heavy youtube |
| 16:45.17 | punzada | dBsooner: some charging is better then none no? |
| 16:46.13 | dBsooner | true. |
| 16:46.28 | *** join/#webos-internals Joesmith (n=acerhaps@ip70-189-75-235.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 16:46.33 | dBsooner | But some older laptops can cause bad sinewaves |
| 16:46.44 | punzada | this is true |
| 16:46.45 | dBsooner | kind of like DC-AC inverters |
| 16:47.19 | egaudet | ya know maybe you can make a patch for that ;) |
| 16:47.40 | *** join/#webos-internals summatusmentis (n=summatus@cust-205.bos01.paraproc.net) |
| 16:47.57 | punzada | well, found my first hardwareish bug with my lil headphone problem earlier, I wonder is headphone detection handled by pulseaudio? |
| 16:48.16 | Mousey | heres one for ya, i got my phone in such a state that when i made calls, the speaker/mic didn't work. i could put it into speakerphone and it worked, but regular mode didn't work |
| 16:48.18 | Mousey | i rebooteded |
| 16:48.24 | Mousey | i blame PULSEAUDIO |
| 16:48.32 | punzada | mousey --- i just had that problem |
| 16:48.36 | punzada | but only the speaker, not hte mic |
| 16:48.38 | punzada | the* |
| 16:48.43 | punzada | call speaker, not external |
| 16:48.46 | Mousey | i see, so multiple modes |
| 16:48.50 | Mousey | of FAIL |
| 16:48.57 | Joesmith | hey yall i am typing this on my pre from the gym, i am conected to my pc via remotewin over ssh |
| 16:49.01 | punzada | mousey, call your voicemail and see if its going into headphone mode automatically |
| 16:49.06 | punzada | next time that happens |
| 16:49.07 | Mousey | k |
| 16:49.30 | Mousey | nope, works |
| 16:49.33 | Mousey | oh |
| 16:49.34 | Mousey | ok |
| 16:49.35 | dBsooner | joesmith: why not just use http://webchat.freenode.net/ ? |
| 16:49.42 | punzada | if it is, blow into the headphone jack like an NES cartridge (seriously), or run a music app and unplug/replug headphones |
| 16:49.49 | Mousey | thats funny though, i first noticed the problem when i was calling my voicemail |
| 16:49.53 | punzada | mine was caused due to excessive abuse yesterday of third party headphones |
| 16:49.58 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v summatusmentis] by ChanServ |
| 16:50.13 | Joesmith | bc i am doing some file managmwnt too |
| 16:50.20 | Mousey | punzada: there might be something to that, the headphone sensor switch getting stuck.. i do use headphones more recently |
| 16:50.22 | punzada | some shavings in the port make it thinks its plugged in, causing insta-headphone mode, was scary i thought it was somethign serious |
| 16:50.59 | Mousey | i'm not sure it wasn't a software toggle gone wrong, since rebooting fixed it, and a short would survive a reboot |
| 16:51.10 | Mousey | ...and i've used headphones since with no bad |
| 16:51.12 | punzada | yeah, a reboot didn't fix mine so yours might of been software |
| 16:51.55 | punzada | and it happened literally two mins after i ordered my battery i was like 'of course, my phone has its first hardware problem as soon as i start buying upgrades' |
| 16:51.56 | dBsooner | egaudet: something I am upset with? |
| 16:52.10 | dBsooner | egaudet: Some of these themes aren't obeying GPL. |
| 16:52.34 | punzada | as you mean in terms of copyrighted images and such? |
| 16:52.47 | dBsooner | egaudet: They are sending the entire CSS/js FIles to REPLACE the css/js on the device. Instead of using a patch. |
| 16:53.00 | dBsooner | This is causing the files they replace to lose the patch, if it had one. |
| 16:53.07 | punzada | ah. |
| 16:53.17 | dBsooner | so they are distributing copyright code |
| 16:55.04 | punzada | wow everytime I check preware there is like 30+ more themes, people are really cranking them out. |
| 16:55.21 | punzada | going to need to start catagorizing them soon |
| 16:56.09 | dBsooner | i know.. and I am telling you they are getting more "advanced" with their app changes they are making |
| 16:56.21 | dBsooner | like reformatting changes in the email/messaging css/js's |
| 16:56.36 | dBsooner | and they aren't doing it with patches, rather whole file replacemtn. Which is a big no no. |
| 16:56.47 | punzada | well yeah that is absolutely an issue |
| 16:57.15 | dBsooner | and preware is the medium they are using to install them. That's the issue. |
| 16:57.16 | punzada | palm has been fairly good with us poking around and supporting homebrew, no need to step on their toes if we don't have to |
| 17:00.23 | egaudet | I have no clue what is going on in the theme scene, but distributing modified palm files is a no |
| 17:01.54 | egaudet | they might be able to do themes as patches (binary diff images) |
| 17:01.55 | egaudet | i dunno |
| 17:04.16 | dBsooner | but right now, they are distributing modified theme files |
| 17:04.22 | dBsooner | I am 100% sure |
| 17:04.37 | dBsooner | i mean modified palm files |
| 17:04.40 | dBsooner | the js and css's |
| 17:04.42 | punzada | a majority or just a few? |
| 17:04.51 | dBsooner | I would say of the "latest" a majority |
| 17:05.02 | dBsooner | any of them that change the Email or Messaging app's look |
| 17:05.10 | dBsooner | they are doing it with replacing the entire css |
| 17:05.18 | dBsooner | download one of them and look in the zip file |
| 17:05.42 | punzada | Oh I believe it without even looking, it makes sense that would be the easiest way to do it. |
| 17:05.49 | dBsooner | because i was asked trying to install one with WOQI, "This theme is attempting to replace a file that has had a patch applied, What would oyu like to do?" |
| 17:06.15 | egaudet | I was under the impression that themes were only image replacements, but if they are replacing CSS/js text files as well then that's not good |
| 17:06.15 | dBsooner | key word there "REPLACE" |
| 17:06.35 | dBsooner | they are REPALCING CSS/JS' |
| 17:06.37 | dBsooner | which made my irate |
| 17:06.56 | dBsooner | because If i had not have caught that, I would have been a world of hurt to get it all repaired.. because the patches were "installed" |
| 17:07.11 | egaudet | yea that's going to cause problems |
| 17:07.23 | dBsooner | who runs prethemer? |
| 17:07.29 | egaudet | if a theme overwrites a patched file (thinking about the new ipk system here) then the only way back is EPR |
| 17:07.30 | atlanta | they just be using append etc on css/js files |
| 17:07.49 | dBsooner | yep |
| 17:07.55 | dBsooner | which is what they are doing |
| 17:07.58 | Templarian | What themes are replacing css and js files? |
| 17:08.06 | dBsooner | the one I was going to install was the Red with black |
| 17:08.07 | Templarian | I though PreThemer was only images. |
| 17:08.13 | dBsooner | prethemer is both |
| 17:08.15 | dBsooner | I promise |
| 17:08.22 | dBsooner | download the Red With Black zip |
| 17:08.29 | egaudet | Templarian, that's what I thought as well but apparently not according to db |
| 17:08.43 | dBsooner | Just look, I have verified this. |
| 17:08.52 | egaudet | i'm not doubting you db |
| 17:08.54 | Templarian | Does their restore .ipk fix this? |
| 17:09.03 | dBsooner | yes |
| 17:09.10 | dBsooner | it renames the old as .bak |
| 17:09.17 | dBsooner | then in the prerm it renames it back |
| 17:09.29 | dBsooner | it renames it in the postinst |
| 17:09.34 | dBsooner | and changes it back in the prerm |
| 17:09.43 | Templarian | They must just not be aware the horror this could cause to patches. |
| 17:09.47 | dBsooner | so you'll have to look in the ipk's |
| 17:09.58 | dBsooner | Absolute HORROR |
| 17:10.03 | dBsooner | It really made me step back on the themes |
| 17:10.13 | dBsooner | in fact, I downloaded the one I wanted and modified it NOT TO TOUCH css/js's |
| 17:11.37 | egaudet | And there's no reason say the messaging landscape patch shouldn't work with and be compatible with themes that modify the messaging look |
| 17:12.03 | egaudet | but they also shouldn't be distributing palm css/js |
| 17:13.22 | egaudet | so who do we talk to first about this |
| 17:14.03 | egaudet | dBsooner, are these prethemer themes that contain css/js? |
| 17:14.12 | Templarian | Eventually Palm will figure this out and kill Prethemer |
| 17:14.32 | Templarian | So probably best to contact Prethemer what they are doing isn't kosher. |
| 17:15.12 | Templarian | Who runs Prethemer he's probably on irc somewhere. |
| 17:15.17 | egaudet | AnOutsider |
| 17:15.37 | egaudet | he's around from time to time |
| 17:17.19 | destinal_work | punzada: some modern PC's have high-current USB ports that can supply just as much power as palm's AC adapter |
| 17:18.25 | destinal_work | re: themes, can anyone tell me why everyone is putting themselves through this much pain to make their pre's look pretty? |
| 17:18.51 | Templarian | Yea some of the gaming boards have the high-current usb's. USB3.0 will increase that even more. |
| 17:19.14 | Templarian | destinal_work: it's not really much pain. 1 click install and my Pre has a sexy L4D theme |
| 17:20.14 | Templarian | Just need to get the themes to do "patches" and not complete overwrites. |
| 17:22.21 | egaudet | it sounds like prethemer is/wants to be doing the "right" thing |
| 17:22.22 | egaudet | http://www.prethemer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31 |
| 17:22.46 | egaudet | I don't know what the precentral theme builder does either |
| 17:28.47 | destinal_work | Templarian: patches ARE pain |
| 17:29.05 | egaudet | not anymore |
| 17:29.20 | destinal_work | in a perfect world, they work fine, but whenever you get more than one at once that may possibly conflict, evilness abounds |
| 17:30.02 | egaudet | conflict in the sense of applying or functionality |
| 17:31.07 | egaudet | dBsooner, ping |
| 17:32.21 | destinal_work | applying most of all. this community seems to be so in love with patching but the more I see of it the more breakage and carnage exists. saurik had a good point here, he mentioned that the main reason cydia and associated apps on the iphone were successful was that they worked hard to use duck punching techniques rather than try to modify stock applications or resources |
| 17:33.43 | dBsooner | pong egaudet |
| 17:33.58 | dBsooner | sorry, i had to go into a house to work |
| 17:35.52 | egaudet | destinal, with the ipks in autopatch, conflicts will fial to install and not mess up anything |
| 17:35.59 | Templarian | destinal_work: I'm on familure with that saying "duck punching techniques" |
| 17:35.59 | egaudet | it tries with --dry-run first |
| 17:36.02 | dBsooner | egaudet: I READ TAHT |
| 17:36.24 | dBsooner | egaudet: but he is still sending the entire css/js |
| 17:36.24 | Templarian | unfamilure** |
| 17:36.24 | egaudet | dBsooner, prethemer is not supplying css/js |
| 17:36.24 | dBsooner | Look at the oklahoma sooner theme |
| 17:36.26 | egaudet | I downloaded the red black from prethemer.com |
| 17:36.27 | destinal_work | Templarian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_punching |
| 17:36.29 | dBsooner | what's he doing? |
| 17:36.31 | egaudet | and dont' see anything but images |
| 17:36.42 | egaudet | there is a "advanced" red black theme on precentral |
| 17:36.42 | dBsooner | one sec |
| 17:36.55 | dBsooner | i'll show you |
| 17:36.55 | egaudet | that might contain css/fjs |
| 17:36.55 | dBsooner | hang on |
| 17:37.41 | Templarian | Oh that's the way that I was thinking to solve it, but it would still mess up if two files are effecting the same exact code. |
| 17:37.52 | dBsooner | slaps his EVDOrA card in his laptop! come on buddy, you can do it! |
| 17:38.12 | destinal_work | Templarian: if two are overwriting the exact same method / function, only one would be in effect, yes |
| 17:38.30 | destinal_work | but it doesn't mean carnage |
| 17:38.35 | Templarian | Yea, but if it effects part of a patch it could cause the patch to explode. |
| 17:38.36 | egaudet | destinal, which is how it works now |
| 17:38.50 | destinal_work | egaudet: you don't patch the files though |
| 17:38.55 | Templarian | (if it's well written it will just rhow an exception) |
| 17:38.58 | destinal_work | it's done at runtime |
| 17:39.04 | Templarian | throw** |
| 17:39.32 | egaudet | I would rather it be done at compile time no? |
| 17:39.43 | destinal_work | egaudet: no |
| 17:39.44 | egaudet | conflicts at runtime would cause more issues with users? |
| 17:40.07 | destinal_work | egaudet: well dynamically on the device as opposed to modifying the files |
| 17:40.08 | Templarian | runtime would be harder to pinpoint the problem. |
| 17:40.23 | destinal_work | we don't want to modify palm files if we don't have to |
| 17:40.29 | Templarian | (if a problem came up) |
| 17:40.45 | destinal_work | it's messy and causes breakage, many times without a clean way to fix |
| 17:40.58 | egaudet | destinal, it doesn't cause breakage if done right |
| 17:41.20 | dBsooner | here: http://www.prethemer.com/OU_Sooners-theme249.html |
| 17:41.22 | destinal_work | all these hacks we're wrapping around it to try to make an unsafe thing safe miss the point that it IS unsafe |
| 17:41.24 | dBsooner | look at that one |
| 17:41.27 | dBsooner | it has css and js in it |
| 17:41.31 | egaudet | we'd also have to maintain every possible patch out there, because I don't think patch creators will know/want to do the duck punching |
| 17:41.51 | Templarian | egaudet: the problem it puts a lot of strain on Patch developers and Theme developers (and lets be obvious here theme developers have a higher chance of messing stuff up). |
| 17:41.57 | dBsooner | it modifies the "Sprint" in top left to be "SOONERS" and changes the font color from white to red |
| 17:42.03 | dBsooner | which is in a css and js file |
| 17:42.10 | dBsooner | which is in the ipk |
| 17:42.12 | egaudet | destinal, its actually become really simple. try a dry-run, patch if successful, back up the original files and save the state of what files are backed up and what packages installed |
| 17:42.54 | destinal_work | egaudet: still ugly |
| 17:43.06 | destinal_work | you've got hacks, great |
| 17:43.25 | destinal_work | you're less likely to cause issues in practice but you're still tramping all over various files |
| 17:44.25 | egaudet | I'll admit I don't know any of the technical details for duck punching, but what about the entire system of it. A user installs 4x4 and 5x4 patches, done by duck punching, they conflict at runtime what happens |
| 17:45.02 | destinal_work | egaudet: the last version of an override is the one that takes effect. in practice, it may not even break |
| 17:45.29 | egaudet | destinal, what do you mean the last version? both modify the exact same thing |
| 17:45.37 | egaudet | so the 1st one is taken away and the 2nd one applied? |
| 17:45.41 | Templarian | A dry run wouldn't fix it as it's more likely that a theme will be installed after a patch since people switch out thems a lot. |
| 17:46.05 | destinal_work | egaudet: first off, the technique doesn't apply to css |
| 17:46.24 | destinal_work | egaudet: it applies to JS and the last version of the overridden method loaded would run |
| 17:46.26 | egaudet | Templarian, yea |
| 17:46.30 | destinal_work | you're not touching files at all |
| 17:46.39 | destinal_work | (except for whatever does the loading) |
| 17:47.07 | egaudet | destinal, so all the objects are just overridden at runtime |
| 17:47.09 | destinal_work | there's no way to "conflict" since they don't touch the same thing |
| 17:47.23 | destinal_work | egaudet: right |
| 17:47.28 | *** join/#webos-internals dug (n=Adium@64-142-4-209.dsl.static.sonic.net) |
| 17:47.45 | egaudet | and how do we get these into the loaded framework/app? |
| 17:48.11 | destinal_work | egaudet: that's what we need to develop |
| 17:48.38 | dBsooner | egaudet: i see you all are talking about something diff right now, but I wanted to make sure you got my link to one that has the css/js in it @ prethemer |
| 17:48.49 | destinal_work | egaudet: there would probably be one common homebrew patch to the framework to facilitate the overriding |
| 17:48.51 | egaudet | And let's say there is a huge palm method, and we add one line to it somewhere in the middle, would we have to override the whole method (copying a lot of palm code) |
| 17:49.41 | destinal_work | egaudet: that is a potential drawback |
| 17:49.44 | egaudet | dBsooner, is it in the ipk only adn not zip? |
| 17:49.51 | dBsooner | i don't know |
| 17:49.53 | destinal_work | egaudet: you'd have to rewrite the affected method |
| 17:49.56 | dBsooner | I think it's in both |
| 17:50.01 | dBsooner | i KNOW its in the ipk |
| 17:50.24 | dBsooner | adn I am almost positive its in the ZIP too as that is what I was going to apply with QI |
| 17:51.07 | egaudet | what ist he path of the css/js ? |
| 17:51.12 | egaudet | im looking at the zip |
| 17:51.34 | dBsooner | idk |
| 17:51.37 | dBsooner | i don't have it in front of me |
| 17:51.44 | dBsooner | give me 10 mins and I'll tell you |
| 17:51.48 | dBsooner | (headed home for lunchj) |
| 17:52.33 | dBsooner | usr/palm/applications/com.palm.application.messaging/ |
| 17:52.38 | dBsooner | i think is where the css is |
| 17:52.56 | egaudet | not in the zip, i'll check the ipk |
| 17:54.38 | dBsooner | and the js is in like systemui |
| 17:54.50 | dBsooner | com.palm.application.systemui i think |
| 17:55.21 | egaudet | no css or js in the ipk |
| 17:55.26 | dBsooner | bs |
| 17:55.30 | dBsooner | it was there last night |
| 17:55.32 | dBsooner | :D |
| 17:55.36 | dBsooner | Home in 4 mins |
| 17:55.39 | egaudet | maybe you got the ipk from precentral |
| 17:55.39 | dBsooner | i'll show ya |
| 17:55.45 | dBsooner | no, that theme isn't on PC |
| 17:56.02 | egaudet | well i downloaded the ipk, and extracted it and searched for css and js |
| 17:57.10 | destinal_work | we should totally have a #webos-themes so theming doesn't overwhelm this channel :P |
| 17:57.33 | Templarian | destinal_work: nah there are enough channels. |
| 17:57.45 | egaudet | destinal, so current patches would be supplied as .js files with overridden methods |
| 17:57.48 | Templarian | Plus there's no webos-internals questions if there were people would look at those. |
| 17:58.03 | egaudet | destinal, theming is only coming up now because of distributing css/js and messing with patches :P |
| 17:58.40 | egaudet | I don't know how it all works but those themes are installable by preware |
| 17:58.45 | destinal_work | egaudet: yeah, some kind of method overriding js. I'm nowhere near a POC on it (I haven't really done the research and I'm far from a JS guru) |
| 17:59.15 | destinal_work | there is some information on the wikipedia article that links to some javascript approaches to this |
| 17:59.44 | atlanta | they just create a .bak file in preware |
| 17:59.45 | Templarian | You can't simply overwrite the method it's going to cause the same problem. |
| 17:59.58 | egaudet | well we should definitely look into it if it's a cleaner and more manageable way to handle them |
| 17:59.59 | atlanta | then when you uninstall them they delete and rename the .bak back to .js |
| 18:00.29 | atlanta | definitely |
| 18:00.31 | Templarian | If only there was a way to detect when a specific function was called and write a hook. |
| 18:00.47 | egaudet | Templarian, good point. What if "patch A" overwrites method foo that depends on stock method bar |
| 18:00.49 | Templarian | Make the themes work more through a service. |
| 18:00.57 | destinal_work | egaudet: agreed -- the number of conflicts will be proportionate to the number of patches available on the feeds, and over time the number will get much larger |
| 18:01.08 | egaudet | but patch B overwrites method bar and that causes WEIRD issues with patch A's foo changes |
| 18:01.41 | egaudet | i guess we have the same issue with patch so nevermind |
| 18:01.44 | Templarian | Yea, but with this method it won't overwrite everything that method "a" does. |
| 18:01.52 | destinal_work | I disagree |
| 18:01.58 | dBsooner | home now.. switching to home laptop |
| 18:02.08 | atlanta | so why do the themes need to overwrite js files |
| 18:02.09 | destinal_work | any method override that makes "weird" destabilizing changes can be shunned |
| 18:02.09 | atlanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.09 | atlanta | ? |
| 18:02.12 | Templarian | Yea, this is going to take some time... |
| 18:02.17 | dBsooner-work | to change the pretty thing on the homescreen |
| 18:02.26 | dBsooner-work | instead of "Sprint" |
| 18:02.34 | egaudet | destinal, yea but I meant that even with 2 non conflicting patches that is still a possibility so duck punching would be causing that to happen |
| 18:02.35 | dBsooner-work | or change the color of the font on the titlebar on the homescreen |
| 18:02.38 | egaudet | was thinking outloud |
| 18:02.42 | atlanta | the carrier string |
| 18:02.45 | dBsooner-work | yes |
| 18:02.54 | dBsooner-work | hang on.. i don't want to miss anything |
| 18:02.55 | dBsooner-work | :D |
| 18:02.57 | jettero | k, the webosinternals terminal rocks |
| 18:03.02 | Templarian | I think Prethemer should code this in a way and just document it. |
| 18:03.03 | jettero | I should have tried that weeks ago |
| 18:03.20 | Templarian | So that patch developers know what is possibly going to change. |
| 18:03.23 | atlanta | well if its isolated areas of files ereg and patch works wonders |
| 18:03.42 | destinal_work | egaudet: right, but I think the percentage that destabilize each other will be dramatically fewer than the ones that conflict |
| 18:03.45 | atlanta | just make it as narrow as possible as to what code needs to be changed |
| 18:03.56 | destinal_work | and we avoid the file patching conflict issues |
| 18:04.14 | egaudet | i agree, but also since it's overriding there won't be errors with conflicts and users will be like "I have this patch installed but it's not working" |
| 18:04.30 | egaudet | and we'd have to debug it to the point of "oh you have the other patch too, which overrides that functionality" |
| 18:04.45 | destinal_work | egaudet: well, again, it's the fault of a specific override that causes problems with others |
| 18:04.57 | egaudet | destinal, not really |
| 18:04.57 | destinal_work | one specific bad citizen |
| 18:05.19 | egaudet | 4x4 and 5x4 patches are preferential and both would override the same thing |
| 18:05.32 | egaudet | that specific case (4x4 5x4) is obvious butthere may be non obvious ones to users |
| 18:05.36 | destinal_work | egaudet: well, that's CSS, so you'd have to override JS to change it in the dom |
| 18:05.59 | destinal_work | no idea how that would work offhand |
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| 18:06.33 | dBsooner | k, im here |
| 18:06.54 | destinal_work | too bad there's no easy way to solve all this stuff other than having total app replacements |
| 18:07.20 | Templarian | destinal_work: total app replacements are last on the list. |
| 18:07.35 | Templarian | (also kind of illegal on many levels) |
| 18:07.40 | destinal_work | Templarian: nah |
| 18:07.45 | destinal_work | illegal? |
| 18:08.12 | Templarian | Yea, all those apps are copyrighted in one way or another. |
| 18:08.32 | destinal_work | Templarian: it's not against copyright to replace something with something else you've written |
| 18:09.10 | Templarian | Yea, parts, but I think the whole redistributing the orginal source along side is. Isn't it. |
| 18:09.15 | egaudet | destinal, the 4x4 5x4 example is a general idea not specific css vs. js |
| 18:09.33 | destinal_work | Templarian: I'm not talking about a patch |
| 18:09.37 | destinal_work | Templarian: rewrite |
| 18:09.38 | egaudet | the point was that 2 "patches" can override the same function, both being perfectly legit and not doing anything wrong |
| 18:09.40 | dBsooner | odd.. he is running sed's |
| 18:10.09 | dBsooner | but there is still an issue with that: |
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| 18:10.15 | Templarian | destinal_work: but I thought the point of the patches was so people could pick and choose the changes they want. |
| 18:10.19 | dBsooner | I apply a MESSAGING app tweak |
| 18:10.25 | dBsooner | it backs up my css as css.bak |
| 18:10.30 | dBsooner | then I installa theme |
| 18:10.48 | dBsooner | and then copies css to css.bak overwriting the original |
| 18:10.56 | egaudet | dBsooner, no |
| 18:10.59 | egaudet | theme uses .bak |
| 18:10.59 | destinal_work | Templarian: think about if someone were to write a total replacement for the messaging app with configuration options for all the things that people currently tweak to get |
| 18:11.05 | egaudet | QI tweak uses .BACKUP |
| 18:11.11 | egaudet | patch ipk use .webosinternals.orig |
| 18:11.18 | destinal_work | way cleaner |
| 18:11.29 | Templarian | destinal_work: then that would just be a new application, not a patch. |
| 18:11.30 | dBsooner | ok.. still: |
| 18:11.41 | egaudet | destinal, yes 100% exactly best solution and I wanted that but it's a lot of work |
| 18:11.52 | dBsooner | egaudet: I uninstall the TWEAK with the theme installed |
| 18:12.15 | dBsooner | it would then copy it's backup over the themed css |
| 18:12.15 | destinal_work | egaudet: right, it's definitely a huge amount of work, I agree |
| 18:12.22 | dBsooner | thus whiping out the themed css |
| 18:12.22 | egaudet | destinal, but that total replacement for messaging app would include a ton of palm code if you JUST want to give the patch functionality optional in there |
| 18:12.26 | dBsooner | but the them will still be installed |
| 18:12.41 | egaudet | dBsooner, the patch as ipk will not do it that way |
| 18:12.43 | destinal_work | egaudet: ? |
| 18:13.04 | dBsooner | oh yeah.. the patch will "unpatch" |
| 18:13.08 | destinal_work | egaudet: right, I mean rewrite from scratch, it is a lot of work |
| 18:13.17 | egaudet | destinal, you talked about replacing the messaging app with a newer version that contains config options for things that are provided as patches right now? |
| 18:13.39 | egaudet | oh ok yea rewrite the app from scratch |
| 18:14.05 | egaudet | dBsooner, yea only EPR uses the backup files, in which case... |
| 18:14.11 | dBsooner | yeah |
| 18:14.24 | dBsooner | egaudet: might as well uninstall everything that modifies code if you use EPR |
| 18:14.25 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 18:14.34 | egaudet | themes could always use the generic patching postinst/prerm which contains code to execute a postinst_extra and prerm_extra script |
| 18:14.39 | dBsooner | except maybe VKB |
| 18:14.46 | egaudet | that the theme coould supply to overwrite images, and the css/js could use the patch system |
| 18:14.54 | egaudet | and then EPR would be able to clean up themes too :P |
| 18:15.00 | dBsooner | that' KINDA how he does it now |
| 18:15.04 | dBsooner | isntead if using a patch |
| 18:15.13 | dBsooner | he is using a sed in postinst |
| 18:15.26 | egaudet | yea but EPR has no knowledge of it |
| 18:15.37 | dBsooner | I know |
| 18:15.41 | atlanta | doesnt EPR check md5checksums? |
| 18:15.49 | dBsooner | Honestly, thinking that a THEME can make changes like that scares me |
| 18:15.50 | atlanta | or just check for patches |
| 18:15.50 | atlanta | ? |
| 18:16.22 | egaudet | EPR checks the known patch control area for modified files |
| 18:16.27 | atlanta | oh ok |
| 18:16.29 | atlanta | gotcha |
| 18:16.50 | egaudet | verifies that the current file does NOT match the expected md5sum before overwriting (to keep OTA update compatible) |
| 18:18.42 | dBsooner | so it checks to see if original file (.js, or whatever) certain area matches the MD5sum of that patch area and if it matches, then it copies the .webosinernals backup over the original? |
| 18:18.48 | egaudet | dBsooner, so how does precentral ipk handle it? |
| 18:18.56 | dBsooner | let me go look |
| 18:19.40 | egaudet | dBsooner, it gets the md5sum from a file from /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 18:19.52 | egaudet | calculates the md5sum of the existing file (not backup) |
| 18:19.56 | dBsooner | right.. but if the md5sum doens't match, it doens't restore |
| 18:20.09 | egaudet | if they match, the backup is wiped out |
| 18:20.18 | egaudet | if they don't the backup is moved over the existing one |
| 18:21.03 | dBsooner | whats the precentral's theme feed? |
| 18:21.12 | dBsooner | their downlaod page is just zip's |
| 18:21.15 | dBsooner | and it's ugly |
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| 18:21.44 | egaudet | http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes |
| 18:21.53 | dBsooner | i know, they only havezip's there |
| 18:21.59 | dBsooner | no ipks |
| 18:22.06 | dBsooner | and they are teh entire css |
| 18:22.08 | dBsooner | or js |
| 18:22.13 | dBsooner | which is not good |
| 18:23.06 | dBsooner | i'll email dieter/derek aboutg it |
| 18:23.44 | egaudet | k |
| 18:23.45 | dBsooner | http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/nightmare-christmas |
| 18:23.54 | dBsooner | that one replaces many |
| 18:24.07 | dBsooner | AND is using copyrighted images |
| 18:24.08 | dBsooner | lol |
| 18:24.15 | dBsooner | the TWEED image is right there |
| 18:25.37 | yokken | lulz |
| 18:25.44 | destinal_work | do these really replace carrier names with stupid things like that or is that just an example? |
| 18:26.18 | dBsooner | it really does |
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| 18:27.51 | dBsooner | yep.. |
| 18:28.01 | dBsooner | Just downloaded RedBlack_theme.zip |
| 18:28.09 | dBsooner | it replaces all sorts of css's |
| 18:28.10 | Templarian | Yea, some people went overboard (it's not hard to change the carrier name through the luna-send though) |
| 18:28.13 | dBsooner | and some js's |
| 18:28.27 | dBsooner | but that wouldn't change the color |
| 18:28.55 | dBsooner | he replaces /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/ |
| 18:29.00 | dBsooner | 4 css in there |
| 18:29.04 | egaudet | global.css? |
| 18:29.21 | egaudet | because that would cause all sorts of uninstall keyboard issues |
| 18:29.30 | dBsooner | global-base, global-lists, global-menus, global-textfields |
| 18:30.20 | egaudet | going to cause a lot of hard to find problems when 1.2 comes out and people are still installing these themes |
| 18:30.36 | dBsooner | i emailed derek and dieter |
| 18:30.43 | dBsooner | asking them to get in cotnact with me asap |
| 18:30.46 | yokken | anyone here speak german? |
| 18:31.55 | destinal_work | egaudet: easy fix for me, I'll just never install themes :) |
| 18:31.59 | yokken | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii8uuuii9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999990--090 |
| 18:32.45 | egaudet | destinal, I probably won't either (but the prethemer ones are safer since he uses sed and not file replacement) |
| 18:34.09 | dBsooner | not only are they violating palm's gpl, but mojo's too |
| 18:34.16 | egaudet | I'll talk with Jason about getting his theme builder to create .patch |
| 18:34.39 | egaudet | rather than zipping up non image files |
| 18:34.41 | destinal_work | dBsooner: palm's copyright, you mean? |
| 18:34.46 | dBsooner | si |
| 18:34.51 | egaudet | it's not gpl |
| 18:34.55 | dBsooner | that's what I meant |
| 18:35.19 | destinal_work | precentral is so full of copyright violations I'm amazed palm hasn't C&D'd them yet |
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| 18:37.04 | dBsooner | dieter, I am calling you |
| 18:37.05 | dBsooner | lol |
| 18:38.05 | destinal_work | but especially the theme files -- dBsooner, are you saying that the themes there have to overwrite entire files only (not patch) and many of the themes have slightly modified versions of copies of palm code? |
| 18:39.23 | yokken | :O EPR on preware |
| 18:39.35 | bpadalino|work | what's epr ? |
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| 18:41.14 | egaudet | destinal, yes |
| 18:41.31 | yokken | emergency patch recovery |
| 18:41.35 | egaudet | bpadalino, "emergency patch recovery" |
| 18:42.10 | egaudet | i'll change it if people don't like it, but I thought performing epr would be the next best thing before you visit the doctor :P |
| 18:42.57 | destinal_work | egaudet: that's one thing I've thought of, it would be cool to write an app that allows you to reinstall any of the base palm packages via the update service |
| 18:43.22 | destinal_work | so, you broke mojo? ok, just reinstall it. |
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| 18:43.40 | egaudet | destinal, yes it would be nice to be able to just re-install stock palm apps like that |
| 18:44.08 | destinal_work | well, apps are packages too so them as well, yes |
| 18:44.30 | egaudet | yea packages I meant :P |
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| 18:47.37 | egaudet | I personally am excited for the restore-point stuff me and Puff were talking about |
| 18:48.42 | destinal_work | egaudet: he had suggested making the whole system a local git repository, right? I'm a little hesitant, but it could be cool |
| 18:49.14 | destinal_work | as for me, I'm happy with just managing packages |
| 18:49.32 | dBsooner | Dieter is calling Jason. :D |
| 18:49.32 | egaudet | yea the plan is to make it a git repo and put the .git in /media/internal/ |
| 18:49.40 | dBsooner | he said, "sounds ugly" |
| 18:49.55 | dBsooner | I'll tell you more in a min |
| 18:50.07 | dBsooner | I gotta go back to my van.. my boss just came here |
| 18:50.13 | egaudet | destinal, managing packages is good but let's say you get your pre into a state with a bunch of mods that you really like and is stable |
| 18:50.17 | dBsooner | I gotta go back to work. I'll be back on dBsooner-work :D |
| 18:50.52 | destinal_work | egaudet: I don't really do mods though, so meh |
| 18:51.14 | egaudet | no mods worthy at this point? |
| 18:51.28 | destinal_work | egaudet: well, I'm happy with apps, plugins and services |
| 18:51.44 | egaudet | roam only control? |
| 18:51.55 | egaudet | landscape apps? |
| 18:52.18 | destinal_work | egaudet: I've thought of it, but you brought up the point that then you have to maintain it :) |
| 18:52.22 | destinal_work | and the more you get, the harder |
| 18:54.14 | destinal_work | I haven't found anything I just absolutely have to have yet |
| 18:54.28 | egaudet | well use the autopatch feed and you won't have to maintain anything :P |
| 18:54.28 | yokken | i just want my calendar on my homescreen |
| 18:54.37 | yokken | that was the number 1 thing i loved about my Bold |
| 18:54.44 | yokken | it showed stuff on the screen, upcoming events. |
| 18:55.10 | yokken | and then i passed out on my couch and i woke up in the morning and my Bold turned on but 5 keys didn't work and it was impossible to use... |
| 18:55.15 | yokken | and so began my journey with sprint. |
| 18:55.24 | yokken | hooray for $125 ETFs |
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| 19:10.00 | yokken | i got class |
| 19:10.01 | yokken | later guys |
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| 19:19.33 | dBsooner-work | Jason is supposed to be coming in here soon. |
| 19:19.47 | dBsooner-work | I will probably be AFK as my boss and the safety officer are both here on this job with me. |
| 19:19.52 | dBsooner-work | I;;l be back in a few. |
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| 19:29.42 | applekid | Has anyone here owned a Palm PDA running Palm OS (v 3.0 and up)? |
| 19:30.26 | lmorchard | yup |
| 19:30.57 | applekid | Okay did anyone ever purchase a program called JackFlash? |
| 19:31.38 | applekid | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.44 | applekid | JackFlash? |
| 19:31.51 | lmorchard | Hmm, I don't think I had that exact one, but I think I had something similar |
| 19:32.02 | applekid | That edited ROM, right/ |
| 19:32.06 | lmorchard | Looks familiar, so I might have had that |
| 19:32.11 | lmorchard | Yeah, well the Flash ROM anyway |
| 19:32.18 | applekid | and not the RAM |
| 19:32.31 | applekid | Was it JackSprat? |
| 19:33.04 | applekid | Do you still have the key, or full version of the program |
| 19:33.30 | lmorchard | Hmm. I don't think so, this would have been almost 10 years ago I think |
| 19:33.54 | applekid | Was it just some 3rd party utility? |
| 19:34.06 | applekid | I am trying to get a hold of one of them. |
| 19:34.19 | applekid | I want to put SecureX in the ROM of a Palm. |
| 19:34.22 | lmorchard | Oh... I think it was FlashPro, which eventually turned into JackFlash |
| 19:34.28 | applekid | Ok |
| 19:34.36 | lmorchard | But I don't have it anymore for sure |
| 19:34.52 | applekid | What about the serial/key? |
| 19:35.13 | lmorchard | Nope, unless it's buried on a backup tape in a box somewhere in another state :) |
| 19:35.23 | mikewx | new webos just launched~ |
| 19:35.29 | mikewx | </public service> |
| 19:35.39 | applekid | Crud |
| 19:36.00 | applekid | I wanted to buy a license for JackFlash |
| 19:36.04 | lmorchard | guess it's time to finally pop all my patches |
| 19:36.11 | mikewx | jackflash? as in brayers? |
| 19:36.16 | applekid | Yessir |
| 19:36.18 | mikewx | damn that brings up memories |
| 19:36.23 | applekid | It is gone |
| 19:36.32 | mikewx | yes, trg bought it many years ago |
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| 19:36.35 | applekid | I actually did find a trial version |
| 19:37.16 | mikewx | i probably have it somewhere |
| 19:37.18 | Joesmith | wtf is jackflash |
| 19:37.25 | mikewx | although i might have to compile it |
| 19:37.34 | mikewx | Joesmith: ancient palmos software |
| 19:37.36 | lmorchard | Joesmith: Old palmOS software |
| 19:37.46 | lmorchard | Let you install your own stuff into leftover space in flash ROM |
| 19:37.53 | applekid | If you don't know what it is you probably can't use it |
| 19:37.53 | mikewx | i preferred flashpro :) |
| 19:38.01 | applekid | mikewx |
| 19:38.11 | applekid | That would be awesome |
| 19:38.25 | applekid | I would send you money |
| 19:38.29 | mikewx | i'll look tonight, but will require a few layers of dust to be blown off |
| 19:38.38 | mikewx | i don't have any ownership/stake in it |
| 19:38.44 | applekid | No one does anymore |
| 19:38.47 | mikewx | i may have disposed of that era of my life |
| 19:39.07 | applekid | that's just it, this should be open source, or at least frreeware. <string of expletives> |
| 19:39.57 | mikewx | i used imagepro/flashpro for all my stuff, i liked how it worked betetr |
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| 19:46.33 | Abyssul | Is there a download link for the official WebOS Doctor 1.2? |
| 19:48.23 | applekid | As far as i can tell, there are no listings of WebOS apps off of the App Catalog. |
| 19:49.17 | egaudet | 1.2.0 is out? |
| 19:49.20 | Abyssul | yep |
| 19:49.30 | Abyssul | as of 3:30 eastern |
| 19:49.35 | applekid | You would do well to search for it on google, and, if the developer has listed it's software on their website, you will be able to find info on whatever software it is you're looking for. |
| 19:49.49 | applekid | Oh |
| 19:50.01 | Abyssul | Im trying to find the 1.2 webos doctor because I want to install a fresh OS :) |
| 19:50.11 | Abyssul | i dont think they updated the doctor yet |
| 19:50.16 | applekid | Nevermind, I shut my mouth, you aren't a stranger to PalmOS |
| 19:50.19 | destinal_work | Abyssul: if they've replaced the doctor image on the CDN it'll be the same URL |
| 19:50.20 | applekid | :P |
| 19:50.31 | destinal_work | Abyssul: otherwise there's no legal way to get it |
| 19:50.51 | applekid | Whoops, WebOS* |
| 19:51.10 | Abyssul | The current .jnlp file for webosdoctor is still dated as 7/24/09 |
| 19:51.17 | destinal_work | not the JNLP |
| 19:51.22 | destinal_work | http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 19:51.45 | applekid | Well, you can probably educate me then, as I have been looking for a listing of WebOS software. |
| 19:51.45 | Abyssul | I guess im downloading the whole thing :) |
| 19:51.49 | Abyssul | See if it works |
| 19:51.53 | applekid | Does one exist? |
| 19:52.06 | applekid | Off of the App Catalog? |
| 19:52.06 | destinal_work | well you can download the whole thing and md5sum it to see if it's any of the older versions |
| 19:52.11 | destinal_work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 19:52.17 | Abyssul | Where I find the MD5 sum? |
| 19:52.28 | Abyssul | It will be done dling in 2 mins :) |
| 19:52.49 | destinal_work | Abyssul: in linux run "md5sum", in windows, download md5sum.exe from a known trustworthy site |
| 19:52.58 | Abyssul | ok |
| 19:53.27 | destinal_work | I'm downloading it also but my work connection is slow |
| 19:53.39 | Abyssul | I got 1000kbps lol |
| 19:53.40 | destinal_work | it may still be 1.1.0, or not |
| 19:53.56 | Abyssul | we will see :) |
| 19:55.01 | Abyssul | 1.1.0 is "fc602490fdd7b3be8c5f727349c6195f" |
| 19:55.46 | egaudet | why does precentral call it "1.2.1" |
| 19:55.54 | mikewx | Abyssul you're stealing all my bandwidth! :) |
| 19:56.09 | Abyssul | sorry :( |
| 19:56.22 | Abyssul | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:56.49 | mikewx | that looks new |
| 19:56.52 | Abyssul | nope |
| 19:56.54 | Abyssul | its the same |
| 19:56.57 | Abyssul | The file wasnt finished |
| 19:57.04 | mikewx | oh |
| 19:57.13 | Abyssul | fc602490fdd7b3be8c5f727349c6195f |
| 19:57.23 | destinal_work | yeah, 1.1.0 |
| 19:57.39 | HattCzech | YEAH! 1.2 is 'available' |
| 19:57.50 | HattCzech | officially |
| 19:57.55 | Abyssul | We know :p |
| 19:58.00 | Abyssul | As of 30 minutes ago |
| 19:58.07 | HattCzech | sorry i'm slow ;) |
| 19:58.14 | Abyssul | I have to wait until the webos doctor comes out |
| 19:58.22 | HattCzech | Abyssul: why? |
| 19:58.23 | Abyssul | I like a fresh OS :) |
| 19:58.29 | HattCzech | makes sense |
| 19:58.31 | Abyssul | My pre is SOOO modded you would not believe it |
| 19:58.33 | destinal_work | Abyssul: you could doctor 1.1.0 and then update |
| 19:58.39 | HattCzech | i plan to do the same thing |
| 19:58.42 | Abyssul | Good idea destinal |
| 19:58.46 | HattCzech | AFTER i update :) ahahah |
| 19:58.47 | Abyssul | Thanks for that tip :) |
| 19:59.32 | HattCzech | after i update and see what's broken, i plan to backup my data and wipe it |
| 20:00.06 | HattCzech | hmmm, probably best to just backup my databases before the update |
| 20:00.20 | applekid | Well, you can probably educate me then, as I have been looking for a listing of WebOS software. |
| 20:00.25 | applekid | Does one exist? |
| 20:00.26 | applekid | Off of the App Catalog? |
| 20:00.46 | HattCzech | indeed one does |
| 20:00.55 | applekid | Whar? |
| 20:01.19 | applekid | PeePeeCeeCee! |
| 20:01.19 | HattCzech | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware check that out |
| 20:01.23 | applekid | oh |
| 20:01.25 | applekid | ... |
| 20:01.26 | applekid | ok |
| 20:01.55 | Abyssul | Time for some doctoring! |
| 20:02.19 | HattCzech | where's the location of the main db used for the pre |
| 20:02.20 | HattCzech | ? |
| 20:03.37 | Abyssul | Ugh... now I have to start my theme all over :) |
| 20:04.01 | HattCzech | Abyssul: why would you have to start your theme over? did they rename some files? |
| 20:04.12 | Abyssul | Most likely |
| 20:04.16 | Abyssul | They didnt rename them |
| 20:04.22 | Abyssul | but they will include different internals |
| 20:04.32 | Abyssul | and I don't want to supply people with outdated files |
| 20:04.44 | Abyssul | especially when they could cause potential problems |
| 20:04.51 | HattCzech | true |
| 20:04.58 | Abyssul | Btw, I use .css |
| 20:05.02 | HattCzech | i can finally update my character counter for 1.2 (if needed) |
| 20:05.17 | HattCzech | and then see if my git account works |
| 20:05.36 | Abyssul | I wanna see cpu scaling and the works in this update :p |
| 20:06.29 | egaudet | Abyssul, you might also want to look into creating patches for the css/js files and not distributing palm files |
| 20:06.37 | HattCzech | hahah, i doubt that will be in tehre |
| 20:06.44 | HattCzech | s/tehre/there |
| 20:06.49 | HattCzech | s/tehre/there/ |
| 20:06.54 | HattCzech | psssh, oh well |
| 20:07.25 | Abyssul | Isn't recolored .pngs the same thing as "palm files"? |
| 20:07.40 | Abyssul | Its essentially palm property, but modified |
| 20:07.40 | HattCzech | is most of the stuff in a css file? is it that simple? |
| 20:07.50 | HattCzech | or would you need to replace the files as well? |
| 20:08.05 | Abyssul | Are you talking to me? |
| 20:08.12 | HattCzech | anyone who knows :) |
| 20:08.21 | Abyssul | Whats the question? |
| 20:08.45 | HattCzech | for theming, could you have the files in one folder, and modify some CSS somewhere? |
| 20:08.55 | HattCzech | or would you still need to replace the png files? |
| 20:09.15 | Abyssul | The themeing process replaces the current. pngs and css files and makes backups |
| 20:09.29 | HattCzech | the CSS method would make multiple themes easier |
| 20:09.45 | HattCzech | that way you're never replacing the files, just pointing the CSS to various locations |
| 20:10.53 | egaudet | overwriting files is a bad idea |
| 20:11.32 | HattCzech | agreed, so patching the CSS is awesome (if there is one) |
| 20:11.59 | HattCzech | then theming consists of downloading files, and patching one css |
| 20:12.11 | HattCzech | uninstalling is removing and unpatching |
| 20:12.14 | egaudet | many css |
| 20:12.16 | egaudet | and js |
| 20:12.18 | HattCzech | switching is unpatching and patching again |
| 20:12.20 | egaudet | potentially |
| 20:12.22 | HattCzech | damn |
| 20:12.33 | HattCzech | okay, so not as simple as i'd like it to be :) |
| 20:12.48 | HattCzech | but better than the current method of overwriting the pngs and making backups |
| 20:13.17 | egaudet | personally I think theming should use the ipk patching system that I'm doing, and then use extra postinst/prerm to overwrite/backup image files |
| 20:14.12 | egaudet | some images might need to be overwritten (for unique images etc..) so i'm fine with overwriting/backing up images |
| 20:14.17 | HattCzech | how does the ipk method work? |
| 20:15.35 | *** join/#webos-internals epv (n=eric@207.241.238.23) |
| 20:15.46 | tlz | hey guys: if we have 1.1 and patches applied to it, if i upgrade to 1.2, will it break any of those patches? |
| 20:16.02 | HattCzech | tlz: probably |
| 20:16.10 | Abyssul | Guaranteed |
| 20:16.11 | HattCzech | i'm about to test that if you want to wait :) |
| 20:16.19 | tlz | lol sounds good |
| 20:16.21 | HattCzech | Abyssul: not all will break :) |
| 20:16.28 | HattCzech | just most |
| 20:16.30 | Abyssul | only about 90% :p |
| 20:16.33 | HattCzech | hahahaha |
| 20:16.37 | epv | can anyone paste the kernel version of the webos update? (output of uname -a) |
| 20:16.56 | tlz | the only ones im really concerned about are the multiple app pages, and the timestamp stuff |
| 20:17.04 | tlz | but i guess i'll see what you come back with lol |
| 20:17.26 | lmorchard | epv: Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 |
| 20:17.36 | epv | yay thanks. |
| 20:17.47 | egaudet | tlz it depends what is updated in 1.2, so your patched files will either be overwritten or kept as is (and working) |
| 20:17.51 | lmorchard | Actually - Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23.1.1 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 20:18.07 | lmorchard | not sure if the rest of it is crucual |
| 20:18.14 | epv | nah, it's fine, thanks |
| 20:18.24 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@75.64.176.41) |
| 20:18.27 | epv | just wondering if they'd done a new build |
| 20:18.43 | lmorchard | Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to get something like greasemonkey user scripts hacked into the browser |
| 20:19.06 | lmorchard | or even just user style sheets |
| 20:19.11 | HattCzech | anyone know the main db name for messages and everything that palm uses? |
| 20:19.37 | HattCzech | (and location)... my thought would be /var/palm/...? |
| 20:20.56 | psykoz | hattczech, I can't remember off hand but I just ended up doing find /var -name '*.db*' to list out all db's and connecting to them individually and then doing show schema or whatever the syntax was to list out allt ables |
| 20:21.00 | psykoz | tables* |
| 20:21.17 | HattCzech | yeah, i think i wrote a shell script to copy them all a while back |
| 20:21.21 | HattCzech | so i think i need to find that |
| 20:21.51 | egaudet | /usr/lib/luna |
| 20:21.55 | egaudet | and /var/lib/data |
| 20:22.10 | HattCzech | thanks, egaudet |
| 20:22.13 | egaudet | sorry /var/luna/data |
| 20:22.30 | *** join/#webos-internals timboy (n=richard@yoda.peacefulescape.com) |
| 20:23.00 | HattCzech | okay |
| 20:25.24 | timboy | 1.2! woot ok so how bad will I screw my phone over if I just upgrade with all of my current tweaks? |
| 20:25.49 | mikewx | you'll loose your tweaks |
| 20:26.04 | mikewx | and you may have to wait a few days for peopel to figure out how to retweak |
| 20:26.22 | mikewx | unless you're one of those people who figure it out themselves, in which case you wouldn't have asked :) |
| 20:26.35 | timboy | that's it? I don't have to worry about my phone not working properly and having to doctor it? |
| 20:26.45 | mikewx | not on a good day |
| 20:26.51 | mikewx | but as with any early adopter...... |
| 20:28.11 | egaudet | dBsooner, I'm going to install every single patch that will apply before updating to 1.2 tonight and then run EPR and see how it goes |
| 20:29.19 | psykoz | hrmm updating now |
| 20:29.33 | hemna | same here |
| 20:34.42 | *** join/#webos-internals Templarian (n=Templari@141.218.50.212) |
| 20:34.42 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v Templarian] by ChanServ |
| 20:35.08 | Templarian | So my phone is being weird the download started, but it lost connection part way through. |
| 20:35.16 | Templarian | (I have full bars) |
| 20:38.36 | Templarian | How are your updates going? |
| 20:38.57 | oil | is removing patches right nao |
| 20:39.09 | psykoz | installing now |
| 20:39.26 | HattCzech | backing up databases |
| 20:40.54 | Templarian | I think the server esploded. |
| 20:40.57 | *** join/#webos-internals uncorq (n=leasterl@cmh500-pix1-external-11.inchord.net) |
| 20:41.07 | Templarian | Word Ace update! |
| 20:41.14 | *** join/#webos-internals sportman (n=sportman@66.206.140.249) |
| 20:41.32 | HattCzech | pushes the button |
| 20:41.43 | psykoz | I dunno how their servers blew up |
| 20:41.45 | psykoz | they use akamai |
| 20:41.50 | uncorq | foo. Tried to re-add the extra launch pages, post update but no love wrong chunk side or something ? |
| 20:42.06 | uncorq | *size |
| 20:43.44 | egaudet | oil is scared of updating with patches!? |
| 20:44.21 | Templarian | weak. lol. |
| 20:44.22 | oil | better safe then sorry? |
| 20:44.34 | HattCzech | meh, it's more fun when you leave them installed :) |
| 20:44.35 | egaudet | pffft |
| 20:44.45 | HattCzech | i'm looking forward to seeing if the theme survives :D |
| 20:45.09 | *** join/#webos-internals jeffgus (n=jeffgus@2002:ad33:b504:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 20:45.09 | HattCzech | or maybe PARTS of a theme, haha |
| 20:45.18 | Templarian | My phone won't update... |
| 20:45.30 | HattCzech | Templarian: why not? |
| 20:45.33 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimation (n=Decimati@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 20:45.44 | Decimation | odd |
| 20:45.45 | Templarian | I think it's my theme |
| 20:45.48 | Decimation | ~seen rwhitby |
| 20:45.53 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 2m 58s) #nslu2-linux (2d 2m 58s), last said: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. |
| 20:46.20 | HattCzech | Templarian: how does it not update? |
| 20:46.38 | Decimation | my 1.2 is validating right now - excited :) |
| 20:46.41 | egaudet | Decimation, he's on vacation |
| 20:46.42 | Templarian | restarting... It started the download then gave me an error lost connection. |
| 20:46.52 | Templarian | It was half way through the download |
| 20:47.06 | Decimation | "Install now" yay :) |
| 20:47.08 | egaudet | did you lose connection? |
| 20:47.13 | Templarian | And I have 5 bars that's why I said the server esploded. |
| 20:47.20 | HattCzech | hmmm, that's odd |
| 20:47.50 | egaudet | so what state does that leave you in? |
| 20:47.51 | HattCzech | mine's at ~50% |
| 20:48.25 | Decimation | Mine says "Do not remove the battery." at the bottom - you can fill in the blanks :D |
| 20:48.43 | Templarian | If it doesn't continue it leaves me in the hospital state. |
| 20:49.10 | Templarian | It could have been verifing files and hit the theme. |
| 20:49.20 | uncorq | "App Catalog Unavailable. Try again Later." LOL |
| 20:49.51 | egaudet | why would it verify files though |
| 20:49.54 | Templarian | "Your phone is up tot date" |
| 20:50.05 | tlp | wee. |
| 20:50.08 | Templarian | dang. i think it's broken |
| 20:50.10 | Decimation | lol, guys, the new webos doctor was done 9/14/09 |
| 20:50.12 | egaudet | what theme did you have temp? |
| 20:50.18 | Decimation | that means they were done 14 days ago |
| 20:50.21 | Decimation | and didnt release it. |
| 20:50.31 | HattCzech | that's lame |
| 20:50.33 | HattCzech | they should have |
| 20:50.35 | HattCzech | slackers |
| 20:50.38 | tlp | eh, they may have had other stuff they needed to get ready |
| 20:50.42 | tlp | not related to the software |
| 20:50.52 | dBsooner-work | is the Doctor avail? |
| 20:50.52 | Templarian | like store |
| 20:51.25 | Decimation | hmm |
| 20:51.31 | Decimation | it says do not remove battery at the bottom |
| 20:51.35 | HattCzech | yup |
| 20:51.35 | Decimation | im gonna remove it, see what happens :) |
| 20:51.38 | HattCzech | LOL |
| 20:51.41 | dBsooner-work | i just want the doctor. :D |
| 20:51.57 | dBsooner-work | runs ERP |
| 20:52.00 | HattCzech | are you going to leave it plugged in, or disconnect that as well? ;) |
| 20:52.10 | dBsooner-work | removes Virtual Keyboard |
| 20:52.11 | Decimation | disconnected :P |
| 20:52.18 | HattCzech | heheh |
| 20:52.26 | Templarian | removed my theme hopefully that fixes it |
| 20:52.41 | HattCzech | i had a theme, and it seems to be updating fine right now |
| 20:52.45 | oil | what, they dont get shit for removing stuff? |
| 20:52.58 | HattCzech | hahahaha, of course they do |
| 20:52.59 | dBsooner-work | 1.2 does nto fix itunes sync |
| 20:53.14 | oil | well nobody cares about itunes |
| 20:53.15 | Templarian | Good. iTunes needs to die. |
| 20:53.33 | oil | oh man 3 icons per row makes it feel like a kids toy? |
| 20:53.45 | dBsooner-work | is the webosdoctor avail? |
| 20:53.57 | Templarian | dBsooner-work: go check |
| 20:53.58 | Templarian | lol |
| 20:54.01 | dBsooner-work | im on my work pc |
| 20:54.02 | dBsooner-work | I can't |
| 20:54.15 | Templarian | Your work blocks palm.com i highly doubt that. |
| 20:54.15 | HattCzech | yay! no status bar or "do not remove battery" |
| 20:54.18 | tlp | maybe 1.2.1 fixes iTunes sync. |
| 20:54.20 | Decimation | lol, damn |
| 20:54.29 | Templarian | dBsooner-work: use your phone. |
| 20:54.32 | HattCzech | looks like it's rebooting |
| 20:54.37 | Decimation | cant get the doctor to accept my pre after unplugging/taking out battery during the update |
| 20:54.47 | epv | heh |
| 20:55.01 | tlp | uh oh |
| 20:55.08 | HattCzech | hahahaha |
| 20:55.19 | oil | wtf you take the battery out for? |
| 20:55.21 | epv | why would you do that? |
| 20:55.23 | HattCzech | Decimation: did you seriously do that? |
| 20:55.27 | Decimation | lol, see if it would still work :P |
| 20:55.38 | oil | lol |
| 20:55.38 | HattCzech | BOOOO boot logo didn't stick |
| 20:55.47 | dBsooner-work | did you all removec VKB before updateing? |
| 20:55.47 | Decimation | i want to prove the doctor can fix all soft problems. |
| 20:55.49 | lmorchard | Decimation: Don't hit yourself in the head with a claw hammer |
| 20:55.54 | Templarian | I have to doctor mine. |
| 20:56.05 | Decimation | i planned on doctoring anyways |
| 20:56.09 | Decimation | thats how i do my updates |
| 20:56.12 | Decimation | so why not have fun with it |
| 20:56.13 | Decimation | :P |
| 20:56.22 | HattCzech | i left VKB installed |
| 20:56.32 | HattCzech | i left everything i had patched on there :) |
| 20:56.39 | egaudet | haha all you removers have no guts!! |
| 20:56.46 | egaudet | live on the wild side! |
| 20:56.52 | HattCzech | agrees with egaudet |
| 20:57.02 | oil | needs his phone to, you know, work |
| 20:57.03 | dBsooner-work | would rather know if the idk's install AFTER the update |
| 20:57.03 | lmorchard | Heh, I'd like my phone to occasionally work :) |
| 20:57.08 | tlp | I assume Preware checks md5s or something before attempting to apply the patch? |
| 20:57.12 | tlp | or maybe the OS version? |
| 20:57.18 | egaudet | preware doesn't |
| 20:57.23 | oil | preware doesnt do shit |
| 20:57.24 | tlp | the postinst script? |
| 20:57.28 | egaudet | yea |
| 20:57.32 | HattCzech | urg, i forgot how long this takes to boot! |
| 20:57.37 | egaudet | all funny business is handled in postinst/prerm |
| 20:57.43 | tlp | so if you try to install the VKB on 1.2, it'll just fail with an error? |
| 20:57.50 | tlp | it being Preware |
| 20:58.03 | Templarian | Dragging my files off and formatting. |
| 20:58.03 | egaudet | it should because the directories/files it wants to patch don't exist |
| 20:58.03 | lmorchard | wishes he could remember "mount -o remount,rw /" |
| 20:58.06 | Decimation | brb |
| 20:58.29 | dBsooner-work | is one of the feeds down? |
| 20:59.02 | HattCzech | update installed |
| 20:59.12 | egaudet | do ipkg -o /var update to see if any feed is down |
| 20:59.23 | HattCzech | theme didn't survive |
| 20:59.32 | HattCzech | aside from the background :) |
| 20:59.47 | egaudet | HattCzech, now uninstall vkb from 1.2 and make sure it uninstalls ? |
| 20:59.52 | dBsooner-work | did the VKB survive? |
| 20:59.59 | egaudet | VKB can't suirvive functionally |
| 21:00.08 | HattCzech | doesn't look like it |
| 21:00.08 | egaudet | but it should still show up as installed in preware |
| 21:00.16 | HattCzech | double tapping the gesture area does noting |
| 21:00.19 | egaudet | and uninstall should succeed |
| 21:00.21 | HattCzech | s/noting/nothing/ |
| 21:00.48 | HattCzech | 4x4 didn't make it |
| 21:00.54 | HattCzech | (of course) |
| 21:01.02 | egaudet | I know VKB won't work after update, I just hope uninstall still works |
| 21:01.18 | HattCzech | char counter didn't make it... neither did timestamp in messaging |
| 21:01.27 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimation (n=Decimati@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 21:01.48 | HattCzech | call duration is still around in the call log |
| 21:01.54 | dBsooner-work | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-3QFzCD http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/armv7/Packages.gz' |
| 21:02.00 | HattCzech | expected, since that's a pref change |
| 21:02.12 | epv | heh i can't find any difference from 1.1 to 1.2 at all except they disable adhoc mode in the wifi driver |
| 21:02.35 | oil | the preware feed doesnt exist |
| 21:02.39 | oil | you need to delete it |
| 21:02.41 | epv | the dialer screen still takes forever to come up which is super annoying |
| 21:02.49 | dBsooner-work | where did it go? |
| 21:02.54 | oil | away |
| 21:02.59 | dBsooner-work | whyt? |
| 21:03.06 | egaudet | dBsooner, it's webos-internals feed |
| 21:03.09 | oil | because? |
| 21:03.13 | egaudet | preware feed has been gone for a while |
| 21:03.25 | dBsooner-work | so just delete preware.conf? |
| 21:03.25 | HattCzech | preware has an update |
| 21:03.28 | oil | it was removed just to screw with dBsooner-work |
| 21:03.32 | egaudet | lol |
| 21:03.34 | HattCzech | you wanted me to uninstall and reinstall vkb, right? |
| 21:03.48 | oil | 091 > 090 |
| 21:03.57 | HattCzech | indeed |
| 21:03.57 | egaudet | HattCzech, just uinstall is fine |
| 21:04.05 | egaudet | reinstall will undoubtedly fail but you can try |
| 21:04.07 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@141.225.64.109) |
| 21:04.35 | HattCzech | removing now |
| 21:04.58 | HattCzech | restarting luna |
| 21:05.02 | oil | 1.2 sdk ius available |
| 21:05.06 | dBsooner-work | were you being serious about remove the preware.conf feed? |
| 21:05.09 | *** part/#webos-internals uncorq (n=leasterl@cmh500-pix1-external-11.inchord.net) |
| 21:05.11 | HattCzech | oh, sweet |
| 21:05.12 | egaudet | yea |
| 21:05.17 | oil | or |
| 21:05.18 | oil | not yet |
| 21:05.19 | oil | lol |
| 21:05.24 | oil | its linked |
| 21:05.26 | oil | but goes to nothing |
| 21:06.25 | HattCzech | uninstall of vkb appears to have worked |
| 21:06.31 | HattCzech | now to fail the install |
| 21:07.37 | Decimation | still no doctoring for me |
| 21:07.40 | Decimation | this WILL work |
| 21:07.47 | HattCzech | error installing [4] |
| 21:08.00 | dBsooner-work | ipkg log says? |
| 21:08.27 | HattCzech | framework file cannot be found |
| 21:08.34 | HattCzech | 191_15 |
| 21:08.34 | Templarian | The backup servers down also. |
| 21:08.35 | egaudet | HattCzech, yup :D nice |
| 21:08.37 | HattCzech | makes sense |
| 21:08.45 | dBsooner-work | yep |
| 21:08.52 | dBsooner-work | hopefully just have to change the dir name |
| 21:08.55 | oil | so you will forever have the osk labeled as installed |
| 21:09.03 | egaudet | oil no |
| 21:09.05 | oil | xD |
| 21:09.08 | Templarian | downloading webos doctor at the moment and backing up. |
| 21:09.08 | dBsooner-work | it uninstalls. :D |
| 21:09.14 | HattCzech | nope, it uninstalled fine |
| 21:09.18 | PuffTheMagic | you guys need to STOP working on patches |
| 21:09.24 | PuffTheMagic | and START working on duck punching |
| 21:09.37 | egaudet | i'll duck punch... |
| 21:09.41 | HattCzech | sounds like fun |
| 21:10.05 | egaudet | a duck punched keyboard would have been 1.2 compatible |
| 21:10.10 | HattCzech | yay! downloading 1.2 sdk |
| 21:10.23 | dBsooner-work | woohooo |
| 21:10.23 | HattCzech | interesting |
| 21:10.38 | Decimation | im still trying to doctor :P |
| 21:10.38 | HattCzech | when the screen goes off, the gesture lights go on and off as well |
| 21:10.55 | HattCzech | jeebus! 178 themes! |
| 21:10.55 | Abyssul | I have 1.2 running now with a fresh install |
| 21:10.59 | HattCzech | when the shit did that happen? |
| 21:11.04 | Abyssul | Doctored with 1.1 then updated |
| 21:11.18 | Decimation | HattCzech: yeah, in 1.1, if you pressed the gesture area as you shut the screen off, the light would stay on until you turn the screen on |
| 21:11.25 | oil | when you were sleeping |
| 21:11.42 | Templarian | Abyssul: that's what i'm about to do. |
| 21:11.46 | HattCzech | interesting |
| 21:11.52 | dBsooner-work | Dieter didn't seem to happy with the themes that are overwriting the CSS/JS files |
| 21:12.03 | Templarian | sucks i'm going to lose my word ace stuff! |
| 21:12.10 | HattCzech | reinstalling original blue theme |
| 21:12.13 | hmagoo | 1.2 is out? |
| 21:12.16 | oil | no |
| 21:12.19 | dBsooner-work | hmagoo: as of an hour ago |
| 21:12.20 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 21:12.21 | Templarian | no |
| 21:12.23 | dBsooner-work | no |
| 21:12.26 | Eguy | argh I hate reapplying mods |
| 21:12.42 | Templarian | word ace has elevator music now |
| 21:12.48 | dBsooner-work | I don't... the ipkg autopatch is nice |
| 21:13.02 | HattCzech | dBsooner-work: why was dieter opposed to that? |
| 21:13.06 | Decimation | i just use quick install :P |
| 21:13.14 | HattCzech | awww, lame |
| 21:13.16 | dBsooner-work | It distributes palm's copyrighted source |
| 21:13.17 | Decimation | took about 20 seconds to reapply all my mods last time |
| 21:13.21 | hmagoo | dBsooner: are you able to apply more than one mod to the same file easily? |
| 21:13.23 | HattCzech | the boot theme sucks, it's the neon crap |
| 21:13.33 | dBsooner-work | yup |
| 21:13.39 | Eguy | no no, I am talking about my custom stuff like global search and custom background etc.. |
| 21:13.39 | egaudet | so dBsooner now you can tell me all the patches on autopatch that fail to apply in 1.2 |
| 21:13.41 | dBsooner-work | ask egaudet |
| 21:13.47 | dBsooner-work | LOL |
| 21:13.50 | dBsooner-work | later |
| 21:13.54 | dBsooner-work | I am still at work |
| 21:14.00 | egaudet | :P |
| 21:14.04 | HattCzech | hmmm, not sure if i like the updates to the original blue theme |
| 21:14.05 | dBsooner-work | gotta go back and do some more phone jack wall-fishes from teh attic of this house |
| 21:14.22 | hmagoo | eh, good luck been there that sucks |
| 21:14.50 | HattCzech | i like what he did to messaging, though |
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| 21:15.09 | HattCzech | dBsooner-work: that sucks, have fun |
| 21:15.33 | mdklein_ | hello everyone, long time no see |
| 21:15.52 | HattCzech | now i just need the 4x4 patch back |
| 21:16.01 | Decimation | :P |
| 21:16.04 | HattCzech | and time to update my char counter (if needed) |
| 21:16.16 | Decimation | lol, i made that for myself and decided to release |
| 21:16.20 | Decimation | didnt realize so many would want it |
| 21:16.38 | HattCzech | the 4x4 thing? |
| 21:16.52 | dBsooner-work | 4x4 is mucho better than 5x4 |
| 21:16.53 | Decimation | HattCzech: yes |
| 21:16.57 | dBsooner-work | I gave egaudet the patch for it |
| 21:17.01 | HattCzech | well, thank you very much |
| 21:17.04 | dBsooner-work | he just needs to make it into an ipkg |
| 21:17.10 | Decimation | yeah, i asked jason to switch it on quick install |
| 21:17.11 | dBsooner-work | and Decimation was the original guru |
| 21:17.30 | Decimation | after making the 5x4, i myself did 4x4 |
| 21:17.33 | Decimation | just never released |
| 21:17.40 | Decimation | some other guy changed a line or two |
| 21:17.54 | Decimation | HattCzech: no problem :P |
| 21:18.24 | Decimation | btw - i took out the battery during the update |
| 21:18.28 | Decimation | no damage done :D |
| 21:18.38 | freakout_AFK | so, how many of you bastards are also trying to download the new 1.2 emulator and slowing me down? :p |
| 21:18.56 | HattCzech | freakout_AFK: i already did, so i'm done slowing you down :) |
| 21:18.59 | freakout_AFK | lol |
| 21:19.11 | Decimation | meh, i have no need for the emulator |
| 21:19.25 | dBsooner-work | lol.. so I got a "unable to connect" half way through download of 1.2 i nthe updater |
| 21:19.33 | dBsooner-work | now when I go to update, "Yoru phone is up to date" |
| 21:19.33 | freakout_AFK | Decimation: show-off :p |
| 21:19.33 | oil | haha |
| 21:19.43 | punzada | ouch db |
| 21:19.43 | oil | already got teh sdk |
| 21:19.49 | Eguy | does anyone know where on the wiki the script for the notifications lies |
| 21:19.50 | punzada | is off to download it now |
| 21:19.56 | Eguy | trying to do the led mod now |
| 21:19.58 | Decimation | freakout_AFK: just dont see a point :P |
| 21:20.23 | freakout_AFK | would much rather stay home from work and play with the new toy today |
| 21:20.26 | freakout_AFK | Bloody work. |
| 21:20.37 | punzada | be glad you have work :P |
| 21:20.40 | oil | "And, of course, weÂ’ve updated the Mojo SDK documentation so you will know how to take advantage of the enhancements and new functionality." |
| 21:20.42 | HattCzech | just don't have a job, like me :) hahaha |
| 21:20.45 | freakout_AFK | oh well, the download should be just about finished in 8hrs anyway |
| 21:20.49 | freakout_AFK | lol |
| 21:21.08 | Decimation | oil: ahh, im proven wrong. |
| 21:21.10 | Abyssul | Hmmm I cant add a facebook account in 1.2 update |
| 21:21.14 | HattCzech | but if you could find me one, that would be nice |
| 21:21.18 | oil | downloaded the sdk in like a couple minutes |
| 21:21.36 | HattCzech | did also |
| 21:21.48 | Decimation | i max out at 270kb/s - dont make fun of me. |
| 21:22.04 | egaudet | oil, so the documentation is up to webos 1.0.3 now? |
| 21:22.06 | freakout_AFK | 's just cut off halway through, like dBsooner-work |
| 21:22.18 | oil | lol |
| 21:22.18 | Abyssul | can anyone sync with facebook in the 1.2 update? |
| 21:22.20 | dBsooner-work | i had to go back in a couple times |
| 21:22.21 | freakout_AFK | Blast! i'll catch up tonight... later. |
| 21:22.24 | HattCzech | awww, 270kB/s is sad... i max at like 2mB/s :) |
| 21:22.25 | dBsooner-work | and then hit the "refresh" button |
| 21:22.37 | punzada | can grab the updated sdk from the normal download link? |
| 21:22.40 | Decimation | HattCzech: come convince my parents to upgrade. |
| 21:22.59 | HattCzech | Decimation: hahahah, not sure if i'd be able to do that |
| 21:23.05 | oil | punzada: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1788 |
| 21:23.08 | freakout_AFK | should be able to punzada, but hre |
| 21:23.08 | freakout_AFK | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1788 |
| 21:23.10 | punzada | Decimation: "it's for my future!" |
| 21:23.12 | HattCzech | although i did convince my dad to get the fastest u-verse available :) |
| 21:23.13 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 21:23.13 | punzada | ty both |
| 21:23.14 | freakout_AFK | oil wins. FIRST! |
| 21:23.16 | Eguy | haltczech: I get 3-4 ;) |
| 21:23.23 | oil | is winner |
| 21:23.39 | dBsooner-work | I get 4-5MB/s |
| 21:23.43 | HattCzech | i'm jealous of Eguy |
| 21:23.47 | dBsooner-work | 25-30Mbps |
| 21:23.49 | Rick_work | is the sdk updated already? |
| 21:23.50 | Eguy | db: at work? |
| 21:23.51 | HattCzech | at work or home? :) |
| 21:23.55 | dBsooner-work | home |
| 21:23.56 | oil | Rick_work: yes |
| 21:24.00 | HattCzech | very nice |
| 21:24.00 | punzada | removes his various patches |
| 21:24.00 | dBsooner-work | has Cox Premier. |
| 21:24.03 | Eguy | I have at home 20-30 |
| 21:24.08 | dBsooner-work | works for some company like that. |
| 21:24.14 | HattCzech | i have RR turbo or whatever |
| 21:24.17 | Eguy | on standard time warner ;) |
| 21:24.43 | dBsooner-work | back to work.. bbiab |
| 21:24.47 | egaudet | 4MB/s = 32Mb/s |
| 21:24.48 | HattCzech | my up isn't too bad at around 250kB/s |
| 21:25.07 | Templarian | I can't use usb anymore to drag my files off. |
| 21:25.11 | applekid | I'm capped at 60 |
| 21:25.19 | applekid | Pissers |
| 21:25.20 | Eguy | I have 1.5 up |
| 21:25.26 | applekid | 60 kb |
| 21:25.45 | Templarian | I have 30mb/s at work and 2mb here, but all i care about is the low ping. |
| 21:25.49 | punzada | my home line is 30/5, i'm estatic still with it |
| 21:26.06 | oil | has 10/1 and its the best i can get here |
| 21:26.22 | Eguy | *whistles* hehehe 100/60 at work |
| 21:26.26 | punzada | lol |
| 21:26.41 | oil | at work is a waste though |
| 21:26.42 | Templarian | The funny part about work is it's like 32/15 almost 2:1 |
| 21:26.48 | oil | what all do you do there? browse the internets? |
| 21:26.53 | punzada | I abuse my home connection though, even though my isp doesn't cap I'm shocked I haven't gotten some 'abuse' letter. |
| 21:26.56 | Eguy | porn mostly |
| 21:27.07 | Templarian | I use my laptop at work and use another wifi. hehe I sneaky |
| 21:28.37 | Eguy | does anybody have that code for the LED patch? |
| 21:28.50 | Decimation | Eguy: yeah |
| 21:28.51 | Eguy | The link I found is dead |
| 21:28.55 | Decimation | precentral.net |
| 21:29.00 | Eguy | It's dead |
| 21:29.26 | punzada | so anyone on 1.2 any unexpected further updates from the official release worth noting or basically same as leaked? |
| 21:29.39 | Decimation | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-webos-1-2-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html |
| 21:29.46 | Eguy | it does not fix itunes sync so palm wasted our time with that |
| 21:30.00 | egaudet | Eguy, who said they were working on that? |
| 21:30.03 | Decimation | the update was 100% complete on the 14th |
| 21:30.04 | punzada | well, I could personally care less about itunes |
| 21:30.06 | Eguy | dead link decimation |
| 21:30.11 | Decimation | since the 14th, there have been no changes |
| 21:30.15 | Decimation | Eguy: works fine for me |
| 21:30.25 | Eguy | o rly? http://filebin.ca/jqwdtn/led_blinking.patch |
| 21:30.40 | Decimation | ouch - didnt try it |
| 21:30.45 | Decimation | thought you meant the precentral link |
| 21:30.48 | Eguy | nah |
| 21:31.26 | Eguy | ahhhh lame boot screen again |
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| 21:31.34 | punzada | lol eguy |
| 21:31.49 | punzada | I just made mine the palm logo with a lil tux |
| 21:31.51 | Eguy | still takes an hour to boot? check |
| 21:32.00 | Eguy | luna still a whore? check |
| 21:32.09 | Eguy | working better? check check |
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| 21:33.03 | punzada | does a 'just in case' sync and backup |
| 21:33.17 | Eguy | mine went very smooth |
| 21:34.53 | Eguy | My only question is why things are commented out that just make the phone better such as LED notifications, landscape email/pdf/sms app. It just does not make sense to me. |
| 21:35.23 | punzada | well they probably plan to flush out the features further instead of adding something rudamentary into it |
| 21:35.27 | egaudet | so anyone do a diff on the leaked 1.2 vs. this one yet? |
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| 21:35.47 | tlp | It'd be cool to see that LED patch in Preawre |
| 21:35.53 | punzada | is installing. |
| 21:35.57 | applekid | Sree ya! |
| 21:36.04 | applekid | I'm gone |
| 21:36.07 | *** part/#webos-internals applekid (n=apkid@175.44.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 21:36.15 | Templarian | I figured I would spice things up so I went with spanish this time. |
| 21:36.20 | Eguy | lol |
| 21:36.23 | hmagoo | egaudet did you do the LED ipk? |
| 21:36.23 | punzada | ha |
| 21:36.26 | egaudet | no |
| 21:36.32 | egaudet | wait |
| 21:36.35 | egaudet | what LED ipk |
| 21:36.36 | Eguy | wowowowwo it is much quicker |
| 21:36.44 | hmagoo | blinking notifications? |
| 21:36.54 | punzada | people often assume i'm a fluent spanish speaker due to the username, only to learn I know about enough to barely navigate and live through the spanish speaking country |
| 21:36.57 | egaudet | so all of the virtual keyboard images are going to show up in the picture app now :( |
| 21:37.08 | punzada | through a* |
| 21:37.18 | egaudet | hmagoo, that's an ipk where? |
| 21:37.18 | Eguy | I lost my swoosh sound |
| 21:37.19 | egaudet | i didn't do it |
| 21:37.32 | hmagoo | no thought maybe you did an autopatch |
| 21:37.42 | Rick_work | it is taking longer to uninstall the sdk than it took to download the new one |
| 21:37.48 | oil | oh |
| 21:37.55 | oil | package manager service shows up in the app catalog |
| 21:37.56 | Eguy | it's back! ha. Anyone notice the lack of lag on the dialer? |
| 21:37.57 | egaudet | hmagoo, is that a 1.2 thing or 1.1? |
| 21:38.05 | oil | people are going to remove it from there and fuck everything up |
| 21:38.07 | egaudet | i've only done ipks for patches on gitorious webos-internals repo |
| 21:38.11 | Templarian | Decimation: that's odd did you get webos doctor to reconize it? |
| 21:38.18 | hmagoo | ok just wondering |
| 21:38.29 | punzada | does that persist through a reboot oil? |
| 21:38.29 | hmagoo | patch to 1.2 just uncomments |
| 21:38.32 | egaudet | oil... WHAT |
| 21:38.51 | egaudet | app catalog showing homebrew? |
| 21:38.58 | hmagoo | because it is installed |
| 21:39.03 | oil | they've got an "installed" area like preware does |
| 21:39.07 | hmagoo | they are using ipkg now? |
| 21:39.08 | oil | and homebrew is listed |
| 21:39.14 | hmagoo | no limit |
| 21:39.20 | oil | they've always been using ipkg |
| 21:39.24 | Eguy | there will always be a limit |
| 21:39.24 | hmagoo | ok |
| 21:39.33 | Eguy | forever! |
| 21:39.40 | Rick_work | install limit is unchanged. |
| 21:39.48 | hmagoo | lame |
| 21:39.53 | Decimation | Templarian: lol, idk. |
| 21:40.00 | tlp | Eguy: how come? |
| 21:40.01 | Rick_work | yeah, but the workaround is dirt simple. |
| 21:40.01 | Decimation | but i did, thats all that matters :D |
| 21:40.18 | HattCzech | hahah, nice |
| 21:40.19 | hmagoo | restoring all override compatibility with WORI |
| 21:40.25 | HattCzech | the app catalog has a EULA now |
| 21:40.31 | Eguy | dirt simple for you :P |
| 21:40.40 | Rick_work | true |
| 21:40.51 | Decimation | hah, how convieniant - just doctored, now im going to the sprint store, my new phone is in :D |
| 21:41.00 | tlp | new pre? |
| 21:41.05 | Decimation | tlp: yes sir. |
| 21:41.09 | tlp | what happened to the old one? |
| 21:41.17 | Decimation | screen on/off button broke. |
| 21:41.21 | tlp | ah |
| 21:41.28 | Decimation | and the guy was like |
| 21:41.37 | Decimation | we're gonna have to charge you for physical damage |
| 21:41.42 | Eguy | looks like webos quickinstall isn't working for me |
| 21:41.46 | Decimation | and i quickly found a dead pixel |
| 21:41.49 | Decimation | he was like, hah, nvm. |
| 21:42.08 | Decimation | most discreet dead pixel, but it was there :P |
| 21:42.18 | hmagoo | do themes install on 1.2? |
| 21:42.18 | punzada | lol lucky |
| 21:42.30 | punzada | I can't believe they want $100 deductable for this thing >> |
| 21:42.38 | punzada | tis robbery |
| 21:43.00 | Decimation | punzada: icky - you are probably getting it via insurance. |
| 21:43.04 | Rick_work | people abused the insurance before they upped the deductable. |
| 21:43.06 | Decimation | im getting it from palms warrenty. |
| 21:43.09 | hmagoo | love the patron theme |
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| 21:43.24 | punzada | oh, within 30 days? |
| 21:43.30 | yokken | is 1.2 really out? |
| 21:43.33 | punzada | yes it is |
| 21:43.36 | Rick_work | yes yokken |
| 21:43.42 | yokken | i should remove all patches, yes? |
| 21:43.46 | Rick_work | sdk and on pre |
| 21:43.48 | punzada | and not ona thursday, surprisingly |
| 21:43.55 | tlp | that's the general wisdom @ yokken |
| 21:43.58 | Eguy | 1.2 is a myth |
| 21:44.03 | yokken | TIME TO USE EPR! |
| 21:44.14 | hmagoo | WORI yokken |
| 21:44.16 | punzada | sees his lil bar slowly move |
| 21:44.16 | egaudet | yokken, you have been using autopatch? |
| 21:44.16 | Eguy | It's 1.2.5.6.7.3.927223 R2 B35 |
| 21:44.41 | hmagoo | branch? |
| 21:45.14 | punzada | psh Eguy you're a slacker, i'm on 1.31, they scrapped luna and now you have to play skifree to move cards and make calls. oh and if you get hit by the sasquatch your phone will power itself down. |
| 21:45.17 | Decimation | what if they decided to release 1.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 later :P |
| 21:45.27 | Eguy | lol |
| 21:45.34 | mdklein_ | wonder how long until opensource.palm.com is updated :-/ |
| 21:45.37 | hmagoo | my USB != 2.0, heh, WORI is going to take a while I think |
| 21:45.39 | oil | hey they fixed that launcher bug |
| 21:45.43 | Eguy | I am installing 1.31 where luna has been replaed by winxp luna |
| 21:45.47 | Eguy | 1.32* |
| 21:45.48 | Decimation | what launcher bug oil? |
| 21:45.58 | oil | where you scroll to the side then in the space scroll down |
| 21:46.22 | punzada | i thought i was going crazy when that happened |
| 21:46.23 | Decimation | huh |
| 21:46.35 | Eguy | oil's bug was a weird one |
| 21:46.43 | hmagoo | wondering if there will be a patch to get the navigation enhancements to the browser that were in the download patch |
| 21:46.47 | Eguy | hard to explain without a screen shot |
| 21:46.51 | hmagoo | . [space], etc |
| 21:46.56 | punzada | I only expereicned the notifications that take two swipes bug two days ago |
| 21:46.58 | oil | someone took a screenshot |
| 21:47.06 | Eguy | you did |
| 21:47.08 | Eguy | lol |
| 21:47.08 | oil | no |
| 21:47.09 | oil | jack did |
| 21:47.09 | yokken | egaudet: i got epr today from autopatch but i don't know how to use it |
| 21:47.19 | Eguy | what is autopatch? |
| 21:47.26 | yokken | it's a patch repository afaik |
| 21:47.34 | oil | its for patching in preware |
| 21:47.39 | yokken | it doesn't actually automatically update patches |
| 21:47.53 | oil | it automatically creates the ipks for them though |
| 21:48.01 | egaudet | yokken, well it's just a self-removing package that restores all the files touched by a patch from autopatch feed |
| 21:48.11 | yokken | WAIT |
| 21:48.18 | yokken | so if i install it, it uninstalls itself afterwards? |
| 21:48.22 | Rick_work | arrrggghhh sdk didn't install new virtual box |
| 21:48.23 | egaudet | yes |
| 21:48.26 | Rick_work | weird |
| 21:48.27 | yokken | and that would be why my character counter is really fucked up? |
| 21:48.28 | yokken | DAMNIT |
| 21:48.35 | egaudet | ? |
| 21:48.41 | yokken | i thought it was like |
| 21:48.46 | yokken | "install me in case of emergencies" |
| 21:48.52 | egaudet | did you installed char counter from autopatch |
| 21:48.55 | yokken | "and then if you need to use me, open this app and fix your thing" |
| 21:48.58 | yokken | yes i did |
| 21:49.01 | yokken | everything works now |
| 21:49.05 | yokken | forwarding, char count, etc |
| 21:49.06 | egaudet | yea then epr should clean it up fine |
| 21:49.35 | egaudet | it just won't fix things that you did manually or with QI tweaks or quilt or any other patching/modification method |
| 21:49.41 | hmagoo | if the messaging app got touched in the update then just upgrade |
| 21:49.53 | yokken | well epr isn't in the patch repository now |
| 21:50.04 | egaudet | ? |
| 21:50.12 | egaudet | it is category system utilities |
| 21:50.17 | mdklein_ | 292772 Sep 28 16:19 com.palm.app.messaging.ipk |
| 21:50.20 | mdklein_ | def in the upgrade |
| 21:50.24 | yokken | ah |
| 21:50.33 | oil | know what i think we need a patch for? |
| 21:50.35 | hmagoo | lol, WORI scans about 4 files per second on my system, heh |
| 21:50.58 | oil | to remove all menu/launcher/card movement animations |
| 21:51.00 | yokken | OHFUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 21:51.11 | yokken | :( error installing [4] |
| 21:51.15 | hmagoo | I would like compiz on the pre heh |
| 21:51.31 | yokken | oh, no patches found. phew. |
| 21:51.54 | egaudet | hehe |
| 21:51.58 | yokken | so what's so legit about 1.2 |
| 21:52.06 | yokken | LED notifications aren't enabled, are they? |
| 21:52.08 | Eguy | led notifications installed :D |
| 21:52.11 | yokken | nice |
| 21:52.20 | Eguy | not by default |
| 21:52.24 | Eguy | you have to do it |
| 21:52.29 | egaudet | ok well i'm heading home now |
| 21:52.29 | yokken | did palm allow you to set the duration of the vibrate notification yet? |
| 21:52.32 | hmagoo | in mexico |
| 21:52.34 | yokken | bye egaudet |
| 21:52.36 | *** join/#webos-internals Orion_PK (n=OrioNPK@c-75-72-37-51.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 21:52.41 | Eguy | nope |
| 21:53.58 | Rick_work | palm needs better hosting for updates. |
| 21:54.04 | yokken | i can't turn off crond, guys |
| 21:54.09 | yokken | how i unbork it |
| 21:54.10 | Rick_work | fifth try, failed at about 60% |
| 21:54.18 | mdklein_ | that's unlucky |
| 21:54.20 | *** join/#webos-internals zsoc (n=nghr@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 21:54.24 | Eguy | mine downloaded in about 2 minutes rick |
| 21:54.28 | Rick_work | arrrgghh |
| 21:54.29 | mdklein_ | got mine 100% first try, thankfully... just took half an hour |
| 21:54.38 | zsoc | ~seen jaycanuck |
| 21:54.41 | infobot | jaycanuck <n=chatzill@S010600111186b639.wp.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 2h 13m 52s ago, saying: 'hi all'. |
| 21:54.41 | yokken | you guys doing it over evdo? |
| 21:54.44 | mdklein_ | yeah, evdo |
| 21:54.46 | Eguy | wifi |
| 21:54.47 | oil | did it over evdo |
| 21:54.48 | Rick_work | and I have to go find the orca thing, and re-work the sdk install soit doesn't rollback. |
| 21:54.48 | yokken | i haven't had evdo since i got my phone... :( |
| 21:54.50 | Rick_work | crud |
| 21:54.57 | yokken | i'm in an area that only has 1x. fml. |
| 21:55.02 | mdklein_ | :( |
| 21:55.30 | Eguy | uh oh |
| 21:55.37 | mdklein_ | there was a cdma firmware update in this patch, wonder what it fixes |
| 21:55.39 | zsoc | evdo is sexy here |
| 21:55.44 | Eguy | I screwed up the led notifications lololol |
| 21:55.47 | yokken | evdo is sexy where my hometown is |
| 21:55.52 | Eguy | screen prefs app does not work |
| 21:55.52 | yokken | too bad i'm at college now |
| 21:55.53 | hmagoo | your screen blinks? |
| 21:55.56 | yokken | in the middle of nowhere |
| 21:56.09 | zsoc | ajames, ping |
| 21:56.27 | *** join/#webos-internals muchtall (n=muchtall@75-146-189-25-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 21:56.45 | zsoc | Oh, does 1.2 break anything? I guess it's too late because i'm downloading it :< |
| 21:56.48 | yokken | so... i can't remove the LED service by ryan hope |
| 21:56.58 | psykoz | what do you mean palm needs better hosting for updates? |
| 21:57.00 | psykoz | they're using akamai |
| 21:57.12 | yokken | is akamai on a tier 3 backbone? |
| 21:57.22 | psykoz | do you not know who Akamai is? :) |
| 21:57.22 | yokken | they have to be |
| 21:57.37 | yokken | wait... tier 1 is the super big backbone iirc |
| 21:57.43 | *** join/#webos-internals b00far (n=mstrent@74.93.31.17) |
| 21:57.47 | zsoc | Anyone confirm that 1.2 does not affect gstreamer in anyway, before i go digging into it? |
| 21:57.49 | psykoz | okay first and foremost akamai hosts all of microsofts downloads |
| 21:57.57 | *** part/#webos-internals b00far (n=mstrent@74.93.31.17) |
| 21:58.24 | psykoz | if that doesn't size it out enough for you, they also do almost all video streaming/redirection for government agencies and businesses, they're probably the largest content delivery network |
| 21:58.40 | psykoz | big businesses* |
| 21:58.45 | yokken | i guess akamai must be a tier 2 |
| 21:58.54 | yokken | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network |
| 21:59.01 | yokken | the list of networks doesn't include akamai |
| 21:59.03 | Eguy | akamai are ninja warriors |
| 21:59.09 | Eguy | that kill you in your sleep |
| 21:59.14 | psykoz | I'm guessing if something is up with palm's downloads, it is probably something with palms servers that are then redirecting you to akamai |
| 21:59.29 | yokken | level3, globalcrossing, teliasonera... where have i heard that? oh yeah, rapidshare |
| 21:59.32 | psykoz | yokken, they're not a network, they're a content delivery system |
| 21:59.44 | Eguy | oops I still broke the screen prefs app |
| 21:59.51 | yokken | mine is downloading super slow over wifi. and i'm on a beastly network that i've maxed out the walljack of |
| 21:59.56 | psykoz | and they don't play around with CDN |
| 22:00.15 | yokken | psykoz: but they must be CONNECTED to a tier1 or tier2 |
| 22:01.35 | *** join/#webos-internals b00far (n=mstrent@mx2.lewiscountywa.gov) |
| 22:01.54 | yokken | well they probably have their own datacenters so... ignore me |
| 22:02.00 | Eguy | can someone send me their /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js |
| 22:02.05 | Eguy | I destroyed mine lol |
| 22:02.23 | zsoc | Can someone run a huge diff between 1.1 and 1.2? pretty please? :D :D :D |
| 22:03.35 | *** join/#webos-internals BsCaBl (n=bscabl@cpe-72-230-2-191.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:04.16 | oil | is the new doctor up? |
| 22:04.31 | Eguy | that is what I want to know |
| 22:04.39 | Eguy | because I need that js file lol |
| 22:04.41 | oil | well download it and tell us |
| 22:05.00 | Eguy | It's 198.2mb isn't that 1.1? |
| 22:05.09 | yokken | can someone tell me where the update is downloaded from so i can download it and transfer it over to my pre? |
| 22:05.16 | yokken | because that would be cool |
| 22:05.34 | oil | lol |
| 22:05.58 | Eguy | same dr version crap! |
| 22:06.06 | Eguy | will have to wait to fix what I messed up |
| 22:06.26 | jauderho | re |
| 22:06.51 | jauderho | new webos release and my battery just came in. this is a good day. |
| 22:07.30 | psykoz | woot, new blink notifications pwn |
| 22:07.58 | psykoz | Eguy, you mean you didn't cp securityconfig-assistant.js securityconfig-assistant.js.bak ? :O |
| 22:08.08 | Eguy | nope /wrist |
| 22:08.15 | Eguy | and I ALWAYS make backups |
| 22:08.21 | zsoc | oil, new webdoctor is out according to precentral |
| 22:08.25 | Eguy | I was too excited |
| 22:08.27 | psykoz | do you NEVER lie too? :) |
| 22:08.33 | Eguy | nah :P |
| 22:08.44 | Eguy | I JUST downloaded the dr and it is still 1.1 |
| 22:08.49 | Eguy | same md5 |
| 22:08.50 | zsoc | psykoz, for the record, .orig is the preferred method of backing up original files :) |
| 22:09.10 | psykoz | it could be .fag for all I care |
| 22:09.19 | Eguy | hey! all mine are .fag |
| 22:09.26 | *** join/#webos-internals alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:09.34 | zsoc | psykoz, ah, so you come from the "Puff" school of developing :P |
| 22:09.49 | psykoz | if by puff you mean toke, sure |
| 22:10.00 | Eguy | precentral is gonna get overloaded today |
| 22:10.04 | zsoc | er, PuffTheMagic.. but sure. |
| 22:10.13 | Eguy | Currently Active Users: 6856 (2353 members and 4503 guests) ahahahahha |
| 22:10.20 | zsoc | Eguy, their forums are already crawling |
| 22:10.49 | tlp | Eguy: haha, I'm editing that right now. |
| 22:10.51 | Eguy | let the double/triple/quadruple posts begin! |
| 22:10.57 | oil | Eguy: download it through http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html |
| 22:11.00 | oil | and see if its the new one |
| 22:11.03 | oil | maybe they changed the lin |
| 22:11.07 | oil | link* |
| 22:11.19 | Eguy | argh |
| 22:11.21 | *** join/#webos-internals misterikkit (i=c693e206@gateway/web/freenode/x-ymodvyrvugylombs) |
| 22:11.21 | Eguy | sn |
| 22:11.26 | yokken | i lol'd when i saw the .fag part |
| 22:11.42 | bpadalino | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/205463-webosdoctor-1-2-1-also-updated.html - does that link work better for an updated doctor ? |
| 22:12.03 | psykoz | hrmm |
| 22:12.12 | psykoz | I can't remember the webos article that shows you how to disable the powerd messages |
| 22:12.12 | Eguy | oh hell no |
| 22:12.13 | *** join/#webos-internals dkirker1 (n=dkirker1@pcp063505pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu) |
| 22:12.19 | Eguy | it opens directly into java now |
| 22:12.20 | psykoz | ie: system woke up, etc... looks like Palm altered those files |
| 22:12.30 | hmagoo | quit powerd? |
| 22:12.35 | hmagoo | quiet |
| 22:13.01 | psykoz | no luck with those search terms on webos-internals |
| 22:13.22 | oil | the second one in that forum thread is 200.1mb |
| 22:13.36 | Eguy | where does java store temp downloads? |
| 22:13.49 | oil | on your harddrive |
| 22:13.53 | Eguy | nice |
| 22:13.57 | oil | xD |
| 22:14.26 | Mousey | is it out yet? |
| 22:14.51 | Mousey | is annoying |
| 22:14.51 | oil | no |
| 22:14.54 | Mousey | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuu |
| 22:15.00 | Mousey | rages |
| 22:15.17 | bpadalino | is what out ? |
| 22:15.17 | Eguy | LOL |
| 22:15.20 | Eguy | LOLOL |
| 22:15.25 | Eguy | owned |
| 22:15.31 | mdklein_ | I pasted a package manifest into http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Update_1.2.0 in case anyone was curious what packages were replaced... they did it slightly different this time around, put a bunch in /var/lib/software/tmp on top of /var/lib/update |
| 22:15.34 | Eguy | http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp this is their new link |
| 22:15.37 | zsoc | Mousey, it's super out |
| 22:15.42 | Mousey | glee! |
| 22:15.52 | bpadalino | mdklein_: nice |
| 22:15.52 | Mousey | turns off all his tweaks, uninstalls his vk, hopes it's enough |
| 22:15.53 | zsoc | mdklein_, thank you very much for that contribution |
| 22:16.15 | Eguy | I bluffed |
| 22:16.19 | Eguy | the link DID change |
| 22:16.25 | Eguy | I am downloading the 1.2 dr now |
| 22:16.26 | misterikkit | Hey guys, about those tweaks, are we expecting them to simply be overwritten by updates or are we worried about bricking phones? |
| 22:16.42 | oil | brick |
| 22:16.43 | Eguy | can someone test this link? http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 22:16.59 | misterikkit | dang, I did a couple of them manually, better hunt those down |
| 22:17.06 | Mousey | beyond tweaks and vk uninstall is there more to undo before update.. |
| 22:17.08 | misterikkit | I wish the patches were packaged up better |
| 22:17.20 | Mousey | OR RATHER: what's a good wiki page to follow before updating? |
| 22:17.21 | oil | i was only joking |
| 22:17.24 | hmagoo | I think WORI is going to take like 6 hours |
| 22:17.27 | Eguy | I do all tweaks manually just to make sure |
| 22:17.28 | zsoc | updates his phone even tho he patched 1 too many things, waits for it to brick |
| 22:17.37 | oil | i dont think anyone messed anything up by installing 1.2 over patches |
| 22:17.46 | misterikkit | is keeping an eye on zsoc |
| 22:17.48 | oil | ask HattCzech |
| 22:17.48 | Eguy | I never uninstall XD |
| 22:17.55 | HattCzech | what? |
| 22:18.15 | HattCzech | ask me ...? |
| 22:18.16 | misterikkit | @Eguy, just to make sure what? |
| 22:18.29 | Eguy | they go ok |
| 22:18.33 | HattCzech | yeah, mine didn't break |
| 22:18.36 | oil | is your phone a steaming pile of purple goo? |
| 22:18.41 | Eguy | blue |
| 22:18.42 | HattCzech | hahaha, not yet |
| 22:18.42 | Mousey | mmm, purple goo |
| 22:18.46 | HattCzech | i'm working on it |
| 22:18.59 | Mousey | no good wiki pages? |
| 22:19.04 | HattCzech | but that'll be my own doing, not the update |
| 22:19.10 | Eguy | my phone is a steaming pile of "..." :P |
| 22:19.20 | HattCzech | haha |
| 22:19.21 | oil | thats cause you suck |
| 22:19.28 | Eguy | no you suck |
| 22:19.39 | oil | nu uh |
| 22:19.45 | Eguy | ya huh |
| 22:19.49 | oil | your mom |
| 22:19.55 | Eguy | oh that was cold |
| 22:19.58 | oil | lolool |
| 22:20.00 | oil | brb |
| 22:20.33 | Eguy | is extracting dr 1.2 atm |
| 22:24.50 | punzada | it's worth the upgrade to 1.2 alone just for the 'open in new card' option in the browser |
| 22:24.53 | punzada | thank god |
| 22:25.42 | Eguy | yes |
| 22:26.51 | *** join/#webos-internals drinksoy (i=43a94ac1@gateway/web/freenode/x-qcebjcxxrlooplxi) |
| 22:27.08 | drinksoy | anyone got the vk working again in 1.2.0? |
| 22:27.20 | yokken | running 1.2 update now |
| 22:27.35 | punzada | having issues? i haven't attempted to reinstall it yet |
| 22:28.50 | tlp | http://tlp.lickwid.net/patch-webos12-led # Just created this patch to enable the LED notifications (form-linked one is not available at the moment) |
| 22:29.05 | Mousey | what LEDs are on this phone for notifications?? |
| 22:29.08 | Mousey | is confused |
| 22:29.37 | tlp | The gesture area will flash when you get notifications |
| 22:29.43 | Mousey | oh those |
| 22:29.44 | Mousey | awesome! |
| 22:30.02 | yokken | tlp: how does i install that |
| 22:31.04 | chrisa | Hm, no one ever mentions songbird for itunes sync |
| 22:31.06 | chrisa | It does it doesn't it? |
| 22:31.07 | tlp | I'm about to head out the door, so I don't have time to explain how to apply it. Perhaps someone else can help you apply it with the 'patch' command :) |
| 22:31.38 | drinksoy | installing via preware i get Error Installing [4] for the vk |
| 22:31.43 | drinksoy | lol hey mousey |
| 22:31.45 | drinksoy | im back XD |
| 22:31.53 | yokken | hokay. |
| 22:32.14 | Mousey | drinksoy: de ja vu |
| 22:32.20 | drinksoy | lol |
| 22:32.21 | yokken | i'm currently downloading a 550mb wordlist |
| 22:32.28 | drinksoy | u got urs working again |
| 22:32.29 | drinksoy | on 1.2? |
| 22:33.26 | BsCaBl | ugh, i miss my timestamps in sms patch already :/ |
| 22:33.38 | yokken | i didn't like that one |
| 22:33.47 | yokken | i realize the default is a lot more broad and whatnot |
| 22:33.55 | b00far | hmm... Use GPS switch gone from Location Services prefs in 1.2 |
| 22:33.56 | yokken | but the formatting.. ugh |
| 22:34.10 | alkos333 | anybody tried webos quizk install in linux? |
| 22:34.11 | b00far | now just one switch "Auto Locate" |
| 22:34.17 | alkos333 | *quick |
| 22:35.21 | b00far | scratch that. GPS option moved to top menu in Location Services prefs app |
| 22:41.27 | Mousey | alkos333: thats all i ever use |
| 22:41.28 | drinksoy | lol woooooooooo OT but i just got free hbo for a year XD http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1580417 just thought id share the good news |
| 22:41.28 | destinal_work | sigh. looks like they randomized the doctor jar directory name to prevent us from guessing the URL like we did for bellmo |
| 22:41.28 | drinksoy | mousey did u get ur vk working again on the new update? |
| 22:41.28 | geist | :) |
| 22:41.28 | alkos333 | Mouse, so I got webosdoctor and webosquickinstall jar files in the same folder, I got java 1.6.16... I set my pre to dev mode, reset it, then connect it, press just charge, run webosquickinstall, it installs novacom ... and then I run webosquickinstall again.. and go into device management. It tells to connect the device and ok. I lick ok since it's already connected and get an error "No device found" |
| 22:41.28 | alkos333 | Mousey: what am I missing? |
| 22:41.28 | destinal_work | geist: :P |
| 22:41.29 | destinal_work | and maybe to prevent another accidental early release too I suppose |
| 22:41.29 | Mousey | alkos333: do "ps axf | grep novacomd", without the quotes, if you don't see novacomd listed (and i don't mean the grep novacomd line) then, thats whats missing |
| 22:42.36 | alkos333 | Alright, so just check to see if novacom deamon is running. |
| 22:42.49 | *** join/#webos-internals greg_roll (i=greg_rol@115.129.3.101) |
| 22:43.10 | Mousey | alkos333: if you did everything else, that's all what i think you're missing, if it's not running, run it (as root), and also run your java -jar weboswhatever.jar as root too |
| 22:43.54 | Mousey | can't run update? are the update server teh swamped or what? |
| 22:44.11 | Mousey | tries rebooting his phone |
| 22:44.11 | alkos333 | Mousey: Where am I supposed to get the novacomd? |
| 22:44.24 | alkos333 | I don't have it running, but there's alwasy *.deb out there and I'm running Slack. |
| 22:44.50 | Mousey | alkos333: actually that's part of the novacom download, which i don't trust worth beans, i suggest you download the .deb of it, and extract the files and put them in your /usr/local/bin |
| 22:45.43 | Mousey | there's a link to the .deb of novacom drivers on the webosquickinstall precentral forum page. i don't know of a better place to find it. also, it doesn't install (cleanly) in debian, so extract it by hand |
| 22:46.01 | misterikkit | Mousey: I haven't been able to download the update yet either |
| 22:46.15 | HattCzech | egaudet: you around? |
| 22:46.24 | Mousey | HattCzech: i bet he's hiding ^_^ |
| 22:46.24 | destinal_work | Mousey: https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.1/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_i386.deb |
| 22:46.37 | Mousey | destinal alkos333 : mmmmmmmmmm, that's the stuff |
| 22:46.37 | HattCzech | hehehe |
| 22:46.38 | jauderho | update is downloaded for me. install is going slowly |
| 22:46.58 | greg_roll | hello everyone |
| 22:47.07 | everyone | hello greg_roll |
| 22:47.15 | greg_roll | anyone want to test the messaging plugin for me? |
| 22:47.22 | greg_roll | mousey: lol :) |
| 22:47.33 | greg_roll | i need one more test before I release it |
| 22:47.35 | misterikkit | I take it back, apparently the download has been working in the background since I rebooted my phone |
| 22:47.39 | Mousey | greg_roll: does it have the ability to connect to an arbitrary jabber server yet? |
| 22:47.51 | HattCzech | can anyone tell me why i can't throw the output from a luna-send into a file (or modify it inline?) |
| 22:47.54 | Mousey | still can't upgrade |
| 22:47.58 | Mousey | isn't mad |
| 22:48.06 | HattCzech | greg_roll: what's your messaging plugin do? |
| 22:48.08 | greg_roll | mousey: unfortunently not, i didnt realise they was a difference. Ill add it to the todo list :) |
| 22:48.22 | HattCzech | ahhh that plugin |
| 22:48.23 | greg_roll | HattCzech: adds Live, Yahoo and ICQ support |
| 22:48.23 | HattCzech | gotcha |
| 22:48.29 | Doc_exe | does the App Catalog work for anyone? i keep getting App Catalog unavailable try again later |
| 22:48.34 | greg_roll | also hasnt been tested with webos1.2 |
| 22:48.37 | HattCzech | unavailable for me as well |
| 22:48.48 | Mousey | greg_roll: add arbitrary jabber server support and i'll personally ship you a case of beer |
| 22:48.51 | HattCzech | if i used those services, i would try to help you out |
| 22:48.52 | Templarian | turns out my phone wasn't broken, but if the servers get so overwhelmed they stop letting the update thing even work... bad design. |
| 22:49.02 | Doc_exe | ok... good i just didn't want to be alone in my unavailableness |
| 22:49.05 | Mousey | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer |
| 22:49.08 | HattCzech | Templarian: yeah, that is bad design |
| 22:49.16 | greg_roll | Mousey: awesome :) its on my todo list! |
| 22:49.26 | HattCzech | good thing i beat it before the servers got pummeled |
| 22:49.31 | Mousey | don't forget SSL and legacy ssl (port 5223) support ^_^ |
| 22:49.48 | Templarian | Who puts the update server on the same server as the file... they were not thinking |
| 22:50.07 | HattCzech | hahaha that sounds like something i'd do :) |
| 22:50.09 | jauderho | i doubt it is a single server |
| 22:50.11 | destinal_work | Templarian: they don't |
| 22:50.16 | HattCzech | (cuz i'd be running everything from my NAS) |
| 22:50.34 | destinal_work | Templarian: there's a CDN server for the files themselves separately from the patch service |
| 22:50.43 | zsoc | greg_roll, you're the best, btw |
| 22:50.54 | egaudet | hi |
| 22:50.58 | greg_roll | zsoc: thanks :) |
| 22:51.00 | Templarian | destinal_work: still the servers are down and it's their fault. |
| 22:51.08 | Templarian | :( |
| 22:51.16 | HattCzech | hmmm, i need to figure out this git repo stuff |
| 22:51.19 | HattCzech | it's irritating |
| 22:51.38 | egaudet | well I'm installing every patch I can on the autopatch feed before updating to 1.2 :) |
| 22:51.39 | misterikkit | templarian: I'm pretty sure the servers aren't down |
| 22:51.42 | zsoc | HattCzech, git is awesome |
| 22:51.55 | HattCzech | if it worked for me, i might agree :) |
| 22:52.03 | zsoc | egaudet, 1.2 breaks every patch, literally. |
| 22:52.27 | Mousey | ew |
| 22:52.32 | jauderho | autopatch? |
| 22:52.35 | egaudet | that's fine, I want to verify the epr package works after update |
| 22:52.49 | egaudet | and then i'll check if any patch still applies |
| 22:52.55 | HattCzech | egaudet: i updated the charcounter patch |
| 22:53.09 | HattCzech | you want to help me get it into the git repo? |
| 22:53.29 | Templarian | misterikkit: same thing. |
| 22:53.43 | egaudet | jauderho, i put all the patches from gitorious into autobuilt packages on the autopatch feed |
| 22:53.48 | zsoc | update breaks battery percentage patch, as well as themes. |
| 22:53.51 | misterikkit | I'm willing to use 1.2 unmodded until the patch community catches up, just for some of the new features |
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| 22:54.19 | misterikkit | Am I correct in understanding that I'll be able to make phone calls over wifi? Because that seems far-fetched. |
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| 22:54.27 | jauderho | egaudet: I know nothing about about the autopatch feed. how does it work? are you saying this is an alternative/replacement to quilt? |
| 22:54.35 | egaudet | HattCzech, I'm going to be checking around 1.2 if you want to update it in the repo that's fine :) |
| 22:54.44 | egaudet | jauderho, yea it's in alpha right now |
| 22:54.52 | jauderho | misterikkit: no calls over wifi. unless someone comes up with a skype like client |
| 22:54.54 | HattCzech | last time i tried to update in git, it didn't like me |
| 22:55.01 | egaudet | if you want to try it out with 1.1.0 be my guest |
| 22:55.04 | HattCzech | i got 10-15min to try again :) |
| 22:55.07 | jauderho | egaudet: hmm. I'll stick to quilt for now. |
| 22:55.56 | jauderho | holy cow this update is taking a long time... |
| 22:55.57 | misterikkit | jauderho: so what will I be able to do over wifi that I wasn't before? |
| 22:56.00 | egaudet | jauderho, all the patches apply cleanly so far as ipkgs and create backups so you can do it from preware, but manually using quilt is still fine :D |
| 22:56.26 | jauderho | egaudet: i'm old. still more comfortable with cmd line |
| 22:56.34 | DraX | hmm |
| 22:56.39 | DraX | did people see jwz's post today? |
| 22:56.56 | jauderho | misterikkit: afaik nothing new. there were no specific enhancements for wifi that I know of |
| 22:57.19 | jauderho | DraX: just read it. I pinged someone over at palm already. |
| 22:57.45 | zsoc | misterikkit, no no.. you will be able to USE wifi while on a call. |
| 22:57.52 | DraX | jauderho: cool |
| 22:58.11 | zsoc | misterikkit, in other words, you can disable evdo/1x data, make a phone call over the cell network, but still browse and use data in another tab |
| 22:58.18 | jauderho | imo palm should allow free apps to be hosted elsewhere |
| 22:58.25 | jauderho | zsoc: but that's not new |
| 22:58.26 | DraX | jauderho: he does make an interesting point that the app store approach isn't necessairly better then the old download somewhere approach |
| 22:58.30 | destinal_work | this? http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html |
| 22:58.34 | DraX | destinal_work: yes |
| 22:58.51 | jauderho | zsoc: nevermind |
| 22:58.54 | jauderho | I reread what you said. |
| 22:59.04 | zsoc | lol it's ok |
| 22:59.14 | jauderho | I wonder if that means you do not have to have a simply everything plan then |
| 22:59.16 | bpadalino | i just read that destinal .. interesting |
| 22:59.27 | zsoc | jauderho, well, you need to have wifi everywhere you go :P |
| 22:59.39 | jauderho | so kind of a pointless feature =) |
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| 23:01.38 | jauderho | hmm |
| 23:01.47 | jauderho | I wonder what the correct to update a patch is. |
| 23:02.02 | egaudet | what do you mean by update |
| 23:02.14 | jauderho | update to one that works |
| 23:02.25 | jauderho | I'm no expert at using quilt |
| 23:02.50 | jauderho | do you have to remove the old patch from the quilt series and reimport? |
| 23:02.52 | egaudet | quilt pop the patch, then import -f the one and then push it |
| 23:03.48 | jauderho | hmm. |
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| 23:03.57 | JaSonx | evening |
| 23:04.25 | JaSonx | is rooting still the same as before the 1.2 update? |
| 23:04.33 | Mousey | lol, rooting |
| 23:04.38 | hmagoo | undoubtedly |
| 23:04.55 | lmorchard | JaSonx: Sure, just login as root |
| 23:05.11 | JaSonx | yes i said rooting |
| 23:05.14 | zsoc | roots his phone.. then wonders if he's supposed to leave it in the ground like that? |
| 23:05.14 | JaSonx | sorry lol |
| 23:05.29 | JaSonx | long day here |
| 23:05.29 | zsoc | hopes it'll grow into a Palm Tree. |
| 23:05.38 | JaSonx | haha |
| 23:05.38 | egaudet | what is rooting? |
| 23:05.42 | JaSonx | nothing lol |
| 23:05.53 | JaSonx | i dont know what i was thinking |
| 23:05.56 | destinal_work | I guess by rooting he means "logging in as root" |
| 23:05.57 | hmagoo | rootings fine with me, just not any references to "C prompt" |
| 23:06.00 | zsoc | egaudet, i just demonstrated, it's when you plant your Pre hoping it'll grow into a Palm Tree. Catch up ;) |
| 23:06.00 | Mousey | i think he means Accessing Linux |
| 23:06.02 | destinal_work | I root my linux desktop all the time |
| 23:06.07 | destinal_work | :P |
| 23:06.08 | jauderho | anyone else still on 1.1? |
| 23:06.14 | Mousey | me |
| 23:06.18 | jauderho | uname -a please? |
| 23:06.24 | JaSonx | are the led enable by default of we have to do a patch /? |
| 23:06.25 | egaudet | lol zsoc |
| 23:06.44 | egaudet | going to post on ubuntu forums and ask how to root my desktop too |
| 23:06.47 | egaudet | :P |
| 23:06.50 | zsoc | wishes he could get ajames and jaycanuck in a room at the same time.. ever. |
| 23:06.58 | opie_ | jauderho: yeah, 1.1 here |
| 23:07.07 | zsoc | egaudet, don't do that, they'll tell you why the root user has no password and you have to use sudo ;) |
| 23:07.25 | destinal_work | well you can use sudo to root ubuntu |
| 23:07.27 | hmagoo | JaSonx: you have to uncomment some code, |
| 23:07.39 | zsoc | also wonders when opensource.palm.com will have the new patch updates released, considering they are legally obligated to if they changed any of those binaries |
| 23:07.46 | JaSonx | ok |
| 23:08.07 | hmagoo | you doctored? |
| 23:08.34 | jauderho | opie: can you post the output for uname -a? |
| 23:08.37 | destinal_work | zsoc: they tend to lag a day (or a few) on that |
| 23:09.19 | egaudet | OK so I have 37 patch ipk installed from autopatch feed |
| 23:09.23 | egaudet | time to update to 1.2 |
| 23:09.31 | hmagoo | cool |
| 23:09.33 | egaudet | hope my pre doesn't melt into a puddle |
| 23:09.41 | hmagoo | make sure everyone knows you're not an example, lol |
| 23:09.44 | opie_ | Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23 armv7l unknown |
| 23:09.53 | hmagoo | mm, white castle |
| 23:09.58 | yokken | GOOD NEWS! my wireless router reaches to the bathroom. |
| 23:10.02 | yokken | suddenly poops are fun |
| 23:10.33 | egaudet | if that is news do you live in a huge house or have a horrendous AP |
| 23:10.52 | opie_ | maybe first bathroom portable device |
| 23:11.14 | yokken | i live in a dorm |
| 23:11.40 | egaudet | oooh |
| 23:11.43 | yokken | i suppose it's not ridiculous that it reaches... in terms of distance the wifi waves only have to go like 30-40 feet |
| 23:11.46 | yokken | to the bathroom |
| 23:11.50 | yokken | maybe 50 |
| 23:11.58 | yokken | but they have to go through like 5 concrete walls to get there |
| 23:11.59 | HattCzech | egaudet: tried to update git, but having connection issues |
| 23:12.01 | Mousey | jauderho: Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23 armv7l unknown |
| 23:12.04 | HattCzech | will work on those when i get back later |
| 23:12.07 | HattCzech | adios for now |
| 23:12.11 | Decimation | woot |
| 23:12.12 | Decimation | new pre |
| 23:12.16 | hmagoo | paralell walls are better |
| 23:12.17 | yokken | woot |
| 23:12.20 | Decimation | first one ive ever had with NO dead pixels :P |
| 23:12.22 | yokken | decimation, get your zune hd yet? |
| 23:12.22 | hmagoo | perpendicular walls, I mean |
| 23:12.35 | jauderho | Mousey: thanks. looks like 1.2 has a newer build |
| 23:12.44 | opie_ | nods |
| 23:12.48 | Decimation | yokken: decided against it - waiting till christmas. |
| 23:12.48 | Mousey | jauderho: yah, probably to cripple wifi tethering |
| 23:12.51 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 23:12.57 | yokken | decimation: so... you just have a bunch of money now? |
| 23:12.59 | Mousey | anyone confirm wifi tethering is indead dead |
| 23:12.59 | jauderho | now if we can get geist to share what changes if any at the kernel level =) |
| 23:12.59 | Mousey | ? |
| 23:13.05 | Decimation | yokken: pretty much :P |
| 23:13.16 | Decimation | gonna buy 2 xbox 360 games and a touchstone soon. |
| 23:14.42 | destinal_work | jauderho: what's 1.2 have? |
| 23:15.00 | jauderho | Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23.1.1 armv7l unknown |
| 23:15.03 | opie_ | finally, it's downloading |
| 23:15.16 | Decimation | hah, you guys may have 1.2 |
| 23:15.16 | jauderho | well this is not good |
| 23:15.19 | jauderho | sunspider hangs |
| 23:15.24 | Decimation | BUT MY NEW PRE IS ROCKING 1.0.2! |
| 23:15.30 | destinal_work | Decimation: AWESOME |
| 23:15.33 | yokken | decimation, don't buy a touchstone... |
| 23:15.37 | yokken | $70, really? |
| 23:15.40 | Decimation | yokken: why not. |
| 23:15.40 | opie_ | Decimation: buy one |
| 23:15.42 | Decimation | meh, i want it. |
| 23:15.45 | opie_ | it's the best thing ever |
| 23:15.47 | yokken | seriously, don't |
| 23:15.50 | opie_ | for deving |
| 23:15.55 | destinal_work | I think the touchstone is great |
| 23:16.04 | yokken | it makes your pre hotter than a normal usb plug |
| 23:16.08 | destinal_work | I got mine on serious discount though |
| 23:16.08 | hmagoo | webos repair utility on usb 1.x, lol.. 2.5 hours and counting |
| 23:16.09 | yokken | and it's $70 |
| 23:16.12 | Decimation | lol, idk how hot my pre is. |
| 23:16.16 | destinal_work | hmagoo: wow |
| 23:16.34 | destinal_work | hmagoo: incredibly inefficient |
| 23:16.47 | yokken | get some 5gbps usb 3.0 in there |
| 23:17.12 | destinal_work | what does WRU >> DO << anyway, download every file from the pre and locally compare it? |
| 23:17.22 | destinal_work | lame if so |
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| 23:17.29 | hmagoo | I'm inefficient for not putting the usb 2.0 card in |
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| 23:18.03 | greg_roll | has anyone noticed much/any GSM code in the 1.2 update? |
| 23:18.07 | destinal_work | hmagoo: is it having to resend every single file? |
| 23:18.14 | jauderho | awww come on. |
| 23:18.35 | jauderho | nope sunspider is DOA for webos1.2 |
| 23:18.35 | destinal_work | hmagoo: or downloading files from pre to PC? |
| 23:18.35 | hmagoo | destinal_work: I am assuming local yeah |
| 23:18.35 | destinal_work | hmagoo: lame |
| 23:18.50 | Mousey | what's sunspider? |
| 23:18.53 | destinal_work | considering that there is an md5 list ON THE PRE |
| 23:18.55 | zsoc | everything is doa for 1.2 |
| 23:18.55 | Decimation | anyone have a direct link to the 1.2 doctor |
| 23:18.58 | jauderho | javascript benchmark |
| 23:19.13 | destinal_work | and you could locally md5 things on the pre itself way faster |
| 23:19.16 | hmagoo | well this guy is always over usb |
| 23:19.18 | Decimation | not that gay java jnlp that doesn't allow me to save it somewhere and i have to download it each time. |
| 23:19.53 | destinal_work | Decimation: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 23:20.10 | zsoc | I love how there's an empty Gstreamer replacement library on the webos-internals gitweb... it's like it's calling for me to be motivated and do some damn work on it |
| 23:20.14 | Jack87 | does anyone know how to force sync/restore palm profile |
| 23:20.17 | greg_roll | destinal_work: thanks for the link too |
| 23:20.25 | hmagoo | destinal_work: just figured I would see how it runs, there are a bunch of ways to do the same thing |
| 23:20.34 | Jack87 | i had to doctor my pre and it restored apps but none of my other accounts |
| 23:20.38 | hmagoo | Backup? |
| 23:20.40 | Decimation | destinal_work: i praise the. |
| 23:20.49 | Jack87 | back up doesnt sync though |
| 23:21.00 | zsoc | Decimation, i take it you got your replacement piece? |
| 23:21.06 | yokken | :O WORLD OF GOO FOR $5 |
| 23:21.09 | Decimation | zsoc: yesir. |
| 23:21.19 | hmagoo | Jack87, reboot |
| 23:21.21 | zsoc | yokken, that. game. is. AMAZING. |
| 23:21.24 | yokken | i know |
| 23:21.26 | yokken | until you beat it |
| 23:21.30 | zsoc | lol |
| 23:21.37 | yokken | i ALMOST want to buy it |
| 23:21.39 | Mousey | anyone know if wifi tethering is indeed dead? |
| 23:21.41 | yokken | holyshit bioshock for $5 |
| 23:21.44 | Mousey | can we backport the driver? |
| 23:21.54 | destinal_work | Mousey: someone said that the latest one has an unborked driver |
| 23:21.56 | Jack87 | hmagoo, ive tried a few times.. still hasnt gone through the sync process for all the accounts |
| 23:22.08 | hmagoo | what accounts? |
| 23:22.08 | Decimation | woot |
| 23:22.13 | Decimation | palm server = down |
| 23:22.13 | Jack87 | Mousey, wifi tethering works with donor version |
| 23:22.26 | punzada | even on 1.2? |
| 23:22.27 | Mousey | jack.. doner? |
| 23:22.29 | Jack87 | hmagoo, exchange/facbook/gmail |
| 23:22.53 | Jack87 | Decimation, do you know for a fact that it is down |
| 23:23.03 | Decimation | Jack87: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-webos-1-2-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html |
| 23:23.04 | Decimation | oops |
| 23:23.07 | Decimation | http://screensnapr.com/u/wj9762.png |
| 23:23.26 | yokken | you borked it |
| 23:23.31 | Decimation | back up :P |
| 23:24.02 | destinal_work | Internal reason 132 is my favorite |
| 23:24.04 | Jack87 | hitting back up will indeed re sync my other accounts Decimation ? |
| 23:24.13 | yokken | ...how does one uninstall world of warcraft from macintosh |
| 23:24.21 | Decimation | Jack87: idk..lol |
| 23:24.23 | Jack87 | Mousey, http://mytether.net/ |
| 23:25.18 | Mousey | huggles Jack87 |
| 23:25.39 | Decimation | so you know how a few years or even a year back, people said to let a battery drain on like.. a phone before charging. |
| 23:25.43 | Mousey | for the most part, you guys give me warm fuzzies about this upgrade |
| 23:25.46 | Decimation | apprently that can damage your battery on newer phones |
| 23:25.59 | destinal_work | Decimation: it depends on battery type |
| 23:26.06 | Mousey | i'll be sure to support muggles in their quests for world domination knowing that the wizards are all pretty much happy |
| 23:26.11 | zsoc | destinal, not really, nothing uses ni-cd anymore |
| 23:26.34 | destinal_work | zsoc: it still depends on battery type, the things they said years ago vs now, silly |
| 23:26.44 | Decimation | in the sprint store, the lady told me to let it drain and another employee totally called her out |
| 23:26.57 | oil | did they start fighting? |
| 23:27.10 | zsoc | Decimation, the short answer is, you can't damage your battery from not letting it drain. The slightly longer answer is, it's actually better for li-on/li-po batteries to stay over 30-40% at any given time. The only other variable is total charges, so I wouldn't charge it any more than you have to, at the same time. Was that confusing enough? |
| 23:27.11 | Decimation | oil: nah, stayed professional. |
| 23:27.17 | oil | aww |
| 23:27.19 | oil | thats no fun |
| 23:27.22 | zsoc | Decimation, protip, employees are Sprint stores rarely know facts |
| 23:27.24 | Mousey | was their oil? bikinis? and a betting pool |
| 23:28.41 | zsoc | Ok, well it seems ajames isn't around.. so I'll ask a gst question for open fielding |
| 23:28.45 | destinal_work | now we have Lithium Ion batteries, for instance, they can actually be damaged by excessively low discharge, but the devices all have internal controls to power off below a threshold so it doesn't really matter much when you charge |
| 23:28.55 | jauderho | ugh |
| 23:28.57 | Decimation | rboatright: you got that key, right. |
| 23:28.57 | zsoc | destinal, correct |
| 23:29.12 | jauderho | palm pre browser not doing well on browserscope tests |
| 23:29.23 | jauderho | Acid3 test returns 1/100 |
| 23:29.26 | Decimation | s/./?/ |
| 23:29.26 | zsoc | jauderho, does it support image maps? please tell me it does |
| 23:29.54 | zsoc | Decimation, do you even know what sed is? :P |
| 23:30.26 | Decimation | sed? :P |
| 23:30.35 | zsoc | Decimation, exactly. stop using that syntax :P |
| 23:30.38 | hmagoo | s/sed/said |
| 23:30.55 | zsoc | hmagoo, i hope to god that's a joke, because i almost just raged :< |
| 23:30.57 | Decimation | zsoc is cool |
| 23:31.05 | Decimation | s/cool/not cool at all. |
| 23:31.09 | Decimation | dammit |
| 23:31.11 | hmagoo | joking |
| 23:31.14 | hmagoo | s/joking/serious |
| 23:31.31 | zsoc | So would it be inappropriate to email the writer of some of Palm's released code and ask him a question about functionality? |
| 23:31.35 | Decimation | zsoc, linux is better |
| 23:31.41 | zsoc | Decimation, stop lying. |
| 23:31.46 | Decimation | s/linux is better/you suck/ |
| 23:31.52 | Mousey | trailing / people |
| 23:31.59 | Mousey | need a trailing / on your regexps |
| 23:32.04 | hmagoo | heh |
| 23:32.05 | zsoc | facepalms |
| 23:32.09 | Mousey | s/regexps/communism!? |
| 23:32.11 | Mousey | s/regexps/communism!/ |
| 23:32.16 | Decimation | hopes he broke his nose. |
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| 23:32.22 | yokken | i love stopping and starting lunasysmgr |
| 23:32.28 | yokken | it makes me feel like i'm acrully doing something |
| 23:32.29 | hmagoo | Mousey, that was confusing |
| 23:32.36 | Decimation | yokken: yeah, its great. lol |
| 23:32.45 | Decimation | pkill LunaSysMgr = my lover. |
| 23:32.53 | Decimation | everyone else uses some longer command |
| 23:33.01 | Decimation | stop lunasysmgr & start or somethin. |
| 23:33.03 | zsoc | lol @ pkill |
| 23:33.05 | destinal_work | Decimation: I don't. I use that one. |
| 23:33.10 | yokken | lol |
| 23:33.11 | hmagoo | I pkill too, lol |
| 23:33.11 | oil | or just use lunamanager xD |
| 23:33.16 | destinal_work | upstart will bring it back for you |
| 23:33.19 | egaudet | lunamanager is the greatest |
| 23:33.20 | hmagoo | initctl |
| 23:33.30 | Decimation | oil: i like it, just hate takin up the launcher space :P |
| 23:33.33 | Mousey | hmagoo: regular expressions, much like algebra, are just naturally confusing |
| 23:33.37 | oil | put it on the last page |
| 23:33.43 | oil | with the other settings/etc type apps |
| 23:33.53 | destinal_work | we need a better launcher |
| 23:33.56 | Decimation | oil: hmm, i think i actually will |
| 23:33.57 | bpadalino | regex's make sense after a while |
| 23:34.23 | destinal_work | something with program groups |
| 23:34.26 | zsoc | finds it interesting that the guy that wrote the pre gst patch has done a ton of KDE work |
| 23:34.35 | hmagoo | but who really uses their pre in their hand and needs to restart Luna |
| 23:34.47 | egaudet | hmagoo, me |
| 23:35.03 | oil | if you're using the termplugin to change stuff |
| 23:35.12 | oil | you can just switch over hit a button |
| 23:35.19 | hmagoo | then just pkill, heh |
| 23:35.27 | egaudet | or if you are using the autopatch feed |
| 23:35.28 | zsoc | so who wants to debug gst with me |
| 23:35.30 | egaudet | and install 5 patches |
| 23:35.34 | egaudet | and then need to restart luna |
| 23:35.36 | egaudet | yeaaaaa |
| 23:35.39 | hmagoo | yeah egaudet |
| 23:35.43 | oil | hmagoo: nothing is forcing you to install it |
| 23:35.50 | oil | but some people do actually find it useful |
| 23:35.53 | hmagoo | I installed it from day one oil |
| 23:35.59 | hmagoo | and it is useful |
| 23:36.00 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, ping |
| 23:37.38 | zsoc | Anyone know if rod is still vacationing? |
| 23:37.45 | oil | he is |
| 23:37.55 | zsoc | i need someone to bounce something off of :/ |
| 23:38.22 | zsoc | he's always so old and wise about things, lol. |
| 23:38.42 | egaudet | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/203951-webos-quick-install-contd-69.html#post1927402 |
| 23:38.43 | Decimation | hes not that old, is he? |
| 23:38.44 | oil | lol |
| 23:38.49 | hmagoo | yeah I have settings apps in the last page as well, and I think it would be great if someone could put shortcuts to the different pages *somewhere* so we could categorize them |
| 23:39.08 | jauderho | grr |
| 23:39.16 | zsoc | hmagoo, ++ to that |
| 23:39.21 | hmagoo | launcher icons, or drop-down menu, or something |
| 23:39.21 | jauderho | the app limit is a pain. I should not be anywhere close. |
| 23:39.27 | jauderho | i only have 41 apps |
| 23:39.31 | zsoc | Decimation, you're not that young, are you? same thing :) |
| 23:39.35 | jauderho | and it's saying I need to delete to make room |
| 23:39.35 | hmagoo | but search works really well |
| 23:39.41 | Decimation | no, im not :P |
| 23:39.47 | hmagoo | just not when you're out or moving, etc. |
| 23:39.49 | zsoc | jauderho, app limit != size / space of /var limitation |
| 23:39.50 | oil | who doesnt have settings apps on the last page? |
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| 23:39.56 | egaudet | hmagoo, where would you put shortcuts to pages ? in the page? |
| 23:39.57 | oil | lol |
| 23:40.21 | jauderho | zsoc: I know that |
| 23:40.42 | jauderho | my point is that I have plento of room in /var AND IIRC 41 is not the limit for apps |
| 23:40.50 | zsoc | jauderho, ok :) i apologize for insinuating otherwise |
| 23:41.10 | zsoc | Oh yeah, did 1.2 fix app limit? |
| 23:41.13 | egaudet | 1.2.0 finished |
| 23:41.14 | destinal_work | jauderho: once upon a time certain apps caused this |
| 23:41.24 | jauderho | trying to update word ace... |
| 23:41.31 | destinal_work | jauderho: like you'd install a specific app and suddenly you couldn't install any more |
| 23:41.43 | destinal_work | and someone with only two apps had the same issue |
| 23:42.12 | hmagoo | from app catalog to homebrew? |
| 23:42.16 | egaudet | time to try EPR on these 37 patches... |
| 23:42.17 | Decimation | zsoc: no. |
| 23:42.34 | zsoc | hmph |
| 23:42.55 | Decimation | i like sprint so much more now that i have an airave. |
| 23:43.07 | zsoc | Decimation, that's why their retention department tends to offer them :) |
| 23:43.24 | doodums | Is there a way to keep wifi on? |
| 23:43.29 | zsoc | They made them to stop churn, not as a revenue stream |
| 23:43.35 | zsoc | doodums, turn it on? |
| 23:43.48 | doodums | when the phone is idle |
| 23:43.50 | hmagoo | nodoze app |
| 23:43.52 | doodums | and not plugged in via usb |
| 23:43.57 | zsoc | doodums, nodoze (if it works) or plug it in |
| 23:43.58 | hmagoo | or timepiece |
| 23:44.03 | zsoc | or tap the screen every 10 seconds |
| 23:44.03 | hmagoo | few others |
| 23:44.11 | jauderho | destinal_work: that suxor. |
| 23:44.13 | doodums | lol |
| 23:44.19 | Decimation | zsocL yeah :) |
| 23:44.38 | destinal_work | jauderho: I think the issue definitely warrants more study |
| 23:45.12 | Decimation | we defintely need to get around the app limit. |
| 23:45.31 | hmagoo | after you do that you will be worried about the space limit |
| 23:45.32 | Decimation | somewhere in the code it says |
| 23:45.42 | Decimation | if blah blah dont install |
| 23:45.52 | oil | volunteers decimation for the job |
| 23:46.05 | Decimation | doesnt have time. |
| 23:46.20 | hmagoo | I have 37M available in /var |
| 23:46.23 | egaudet | oil where is the ipkg log? |
| 23:46.26 | destinal_work | Decimation: It's actually the service that does it |
| 23:46.47 | Decimation | hah, im running 1.0.2 still, pressing the drop down menus |
| 23:46.47 | destinal_work | you can't change javascript to get around it AFAIK |
| 23:46.47 | Decimation | no animation |
| 23:46.50 | Decimation | it just appears |
| 23:46.52 | Decimation | its ugly |
| 23:46.52 | Mousey | installs 1.2 RIGHT NOW |
| 23:47.03 | egaudet | EPR success :) |
| 23:47.07 | oil | egaudet: what do you mean? |
| 23:47.12 | Mousey | congrats egaudet |
| 23:47.33 | hmagoo | egaudet: so you went from 1.1 to 1.2 then used EPR and everything is functional? |
| 23:47.35 | opie_ | "sudo: must be setuid root" suggestions? |
| 23:47.39 | Decimation | oil: emergency patch removal. |
| 23:47.54 | oil | Decimation: i know that |
| 23:47.58 | oil | he asked where is the ipkg log |
| 23:48.01 | oil | and i asked what he means |
| 23:48.05 | oil | by where |
| 23:48.12 | egaudet | oil does it get saved to a file anywhere or just in memory? |
| 23:48.17 | oil | its just in memory |
| 23:48.28 | egaudet | yes hmagoo that's what i did |
| 23:48.37 | destinal_work | egaudet: what does EPR do ? |
| 23:48.49 | egaudet | EPR takes a while though, took a few minutes to run on 37 patches |
| 23:49.00 | destinal_work | Decimation: someone's going to pwn j00 |
| 23:49.01 | Decimation | removes all patches |
| 23:49.13 | egaudet | destinal, goes through the patch control area and removes patch packages and restores original files |
| 23:49.17 | Decimation | destinal_work: huh? :( |
| 23:49.34 | hmagoo | egaudet: how do you restore original files if they have changed because of 1.2 |
| 23:49.42 | egaudet | and then it uninstalls itself, so basically epr is just a script wrapped into an ipk |
| 23:49.42 | destinal_work | Decimation: if you're running 1.02 |
| 23:49.47 | egaudet | hmagoo, i don't |
| 23:49.52 | destinal_work | Decimation: there are tons of vulnerabilities |
| 23:49.54 | Decimation | destinal_work: updating as we type. |
| 23:50.19 | JackieRipper | is there any difference between the leaked 1.2 and the release? |
| 23:50.20 | egaudet | hmagoo, the epr will md5sum the existing file, then it checks the md5sum against what is in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums. If it matches, then the backup file is removed |
| 23:50.33 | destinal_work | egaudet: so I don't see why you need to bother with EPR to have things work |
| 23:50.39 | hmagoo | egaudet: got ya |
| 23:50.41 | destinal_work | egaudet: palm updates entire packages, not individual files |
| 23:50.59 | egaudet | destinal, it's not guaranteed they update every single package |
| 23:51.12 | hmagoo | and he wants to be able to have the tool continue to work |
| 23:51.13 | destinal_work | egaudet: they'll update the ones they change |
| 23:51.27 | egaudet | destinal, also the ipk still shows as installed and can't reverse the patch because the files are changed |
| 23:51.29 | destinal_work | so unless you have a patch that touches two packages |
| 23:51.31 | destinal_work | you're fine |
| 23:51.53 | destinal_work | well you can't reverse it, don't need to |
| 23:51.54 | opie_ | when i try to sudo i get "sudo: must be setuid root" |
| 23:51.59 | Decimation | destinal_work: so you're saying if they update one file in the messaging app, they update them all? |
| 23:52.01 | hmagoo | there are patches like that |
| 23:52.01 | destinal_work | because it overwrote already |
| 23:52.04 | destinal_work | Decimation: yes |
| 23:52.25 | Decimation | destinal_work: i havent looked at the changelog so are you sure of that? |
| 23:52.31 | egaudet | destinal, you don't need to reverse it but how do you remove the ipkg? |
| 23:52.43 | egaudet | and how do you know that the failed reversal is due to a palm update |
| 23:52.49 | destinal_work | egaudet: it updates with ipk, how could it update just partially? |
| 23:52.53 | egaudet | it could be a corruption by other means |
| 23:52.54 | destinal_work | it uses ipkg |
| 23:53.01 | egaudet | destinal, the patches are installed as ipk |
| 23:53.05 | egaudet | i'm not talking about palm ipk |
| 23:53.15 | destinal_work | egaudet: I'm saying the "OTR" update |
| 23:53.20 | destinal_work | it doesn't just update individual files |
| 23:53.26 | egaudet | destinal, yea i know |
| 23:53.31 | egaudet | that doesn't help me |
| 23:53.43 | egaudet | i installed a patch ipk on 1.1.0 |
| 23:53.50 | hmagoo | destinal_work: there are patches that get into more than one app |
| 23:53.54 | egaudet | so preware lists the package as installed, and the patch has modified 1.1.0 file |
| 23:53.58 | egaudet | now i update to 1.2.0 OTA |
| 23:54.06 | egaudet | preware still thinks the patch package is installed |
| 23:54.17 | egaudet | but it can't uninstall |
| 23:54.18 | destinal_work | ah, so it's the /var ipkg lib consistency you're worried about |
| 23:54.23 | destinal_work | sorry didn't understand |
| 23:54.31 | egaudet | yep |
| 23:54.34 | Mousey | ... |
| 23:54.40 | egaudet | and the ability to "recover" from corruption |
| 23:54.40 | Mousey | ipkg --rebuilddb? |
| 23:54.52 | egaudet | hmagoo, patches should NOT touch more than one app |
| 23:54.55 | destinal_work | Mousey: well the thing is, it thinks patches are installed, and they aren't |
| 23:55.08 | Mousey | uhoh |
| 23:55.10 | destinal_work | so preware would be confused |
| 23:55.13 | egaudet | well I shouldn't say should not, I mean I don't know of any that do |
| 23:55.20 | hmagoo | lemme see |
| 23:55.24 | Mousey | so the only way to be sure really IS to nuke from orbit |
| 23:55.38 | egaudet | epr handles corruptions as well as OTA updates |
| 23:55.48 | destinal_work | Mousey: well you could ipkg remove |
| 23:55.54 | destinal_work | egaudet: right? |
| 23:55.59 | Mousey | i'm yet to get ipkg and preware to reconcile |
| 23:56.03 | egaudet | the only case it won't handle "correctly" is an OTA and then modification before epr is run |
| 23:56.10 | egaudet | destinal, epr ipkg removes yea |
| 23:56.29 | destinal_work | so it just saves you having to run it by hand |
| 23:56.35 | Mousey | when i do ipkg list_installed i'm pretty sure i get a different list than what preware says is installed. nor can i install anything preware thinks is available from the command line with ipkg |
| 23:56.46 | egaudet | ipkg -o /var list_installed |
| 23:57.04 | Mousey | ...really. god i hate Doing It Wrong(tm) |
| 23:57.24 | Mousey | so conversely it's ipkg -o /var install <packagename> then? |
| 23:57.25 | egaudet | ipkg (without -o /var) will work on /usr which is all the stock palm apps |
| 23:57.33 | egaudet | yea Mousey |
| 23:57.51 | Mousey | has appear over his head, a lit bulb |
| 23:57.53 | Mousey | OH! |
| 23:57.59 | hmagoo | egaudet: guess I was trippin |
| 23:58.20 | zsoc | urdoinitrong |
| 23:58.27 | egaudet | buttttt patches CAN touch 2 different packages |
| 23:58.34 | Mousey | so if preware says it's installed, and 1.2 really ate it, i can ipkg -o /var remove <phantom package> and be fixed? |
| 23:58.34 | destinal_work | egaudet: well actually ipkg by itself uses / |
| 23:58.36 | egaudet | and if they do, and palm only updates one, EPR will still work |
| 23:59.26 | egaudet | yea /, not /usr sorry |
| 23:59.28 | bpadalino | is text forwarding that important? where do they get forwarded to ? |
| 23:59.44 | bpadalino | sorry if that is off topic .. i am reading comments from palm's post on fb |
| 23:59.48 | egaudet | bpadalino, whoever you want? |
| 23:59.57 | Mousey | bpadalino: nah, not as important as generic jabber server access ^_^ |
| 23:59.58 | bpadalino | ooh, i see .. |
