| 00:00.30 | bclancy | rwhitby: I just read your post/responce on precentral mentioning the upcoming Preware 0.9. I might have some time to test or check some work if you need that. |
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| 00:10.03 | rwhitby | egaudet: ping |
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| 00:10.12 | zsoc | 's package manager service just crashed |
| 00:10.37 | zsoc | and my java services rebooted |
| 00:10.42 | rwhitby | zsoc: oom error? |
| 00:11.14 | zsoc | rwhitby, no error, preware didn't start, went to restart it, told me package manager wasn't loaded, and my cellular radio restarted |
| 00:11.30 | rwhitby | zsoc: check /var/log/messages for an OOM error |
| 00:11.50 | rwhitby | if there is one there at the right time, we know the reason, and the Preware latest git HEAD should fix it. |
| 00:12.10 | zsoc | rwhitby, ah ok, i'll check, also worked after a 3rd restart |
| 00:12.29 | StoneRyno | Anyone that can give me guidance on getting all of the patches from the wiki/ quilt repository to the feed for preware? Unless of course this is already preped to be eminantly added |
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| 00:13.29 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: see the thread on PreCentral about an open standard patch management process. then contribute there. |
| 00:13.50 | zsoc | yeah it was an OOM error |
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| 00:14.23 | rwhitby | zsoc: I should have a new preware in the alpha testing feed soon. just have to do some testing here first. |
| 00:14.45 | jho_ | rwhitby: did u figure out the mem prob? |
| 00:15.14 | rwhitby | jho_: yep, we believe we have. |
| 00:15.19 | jho_ | what was it? |
| 00:15.46 | zsoc | rod rod, he's our man, if he can't do it... er.. well prolly no one else would bother trying. |
| 00:16.16 | StoneRyno | ok will check out the thread....... |
| 00:16.27 | kesne | Hey |
| 00:17.07 | rwhitby | jho_: message too big on dbus |
| 00:17.15 | rwhitby | jho_: so we've split it into 4K chunks. |
| 00:18.05 | rwhitby | well, actually dbus may well be able to handle it, but the java vm's heap didn't like 375KB of string allocations in JSONObject.toString() |
| 00:18.07 | Decimation_ | so rwhitby: what could a newbie such as myself expect to see from the great once he gets a pre ? :) |
| 00:19.09 | rwhitby | Decimation_: well, I expect development will slow for some period, while I try out all the homebrew available in Preware ... |
| 00:19.16 | jho_ | rwhitby: ah cool. how did you find that out? =) |
| 00:19.27 | zsoc | rwhitby, ah so _that's_ what was between lines 26 and 27, mystery solved. |
| 00:19.31 | rwhitby | jho_: OOM dumps from good beta testing reports. |
| 00:20.03 | jho_ | zsoc: brilliant picture btw. I was out for dinner but laughed when I saw it. |
| 00:20.34 | zsoc | jho_, glad :) i always wanted to be 'that guy' that made something so amusing you just had to shake his hand. Unfortunately, I can apparently, only do it once, and when I'm not trying. Oh well. |
| 00:21.04 | jho_ | keep trying |
| 00:21.08 | zsoc | jho_, and yes, of course you were out to dinner, i think that was the point actually ;) |
| 00:24.28 | StoneRyno | rwhitby: I know Jason (webos quick install) has added the ability to add some patches using it but I don't know what exactly he has done to do it. I sent him a PM asking about it cause I want to help out in getting patches availble by a feed or as part of bothpreware and quick install |
| 00:25.00 | jho_ | heh. I dont mess too much with the gf =) she's short but can be a fireball |
| 00:25.03 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: he currently hand-codes line-by-line modifications, but it working on supporting the standard patch format. |
| 00:26.14 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: the way to help out at the moment is to turn wiki manual modifications into patches in the modifications git repo. |
| 00:27.26 | zsoc | jho_, not sure what that means but it sounds like fun |
| 00:27.58 | jho_ | short but angry =) |
| 00:28.03 | StoneRyno | cool beans will check that out I wasn't quite sure at 1st how that worked but I think I may understand it enough to turn them into patches. I just got to figure out which ones don't have patches and which ones do |
| 00:28.41 | zsoc | reads man patch.. again |
| 00:29.10 | StoneRyno | I assume all of the existing patches in the repository are good to go? |
| 00:29.25 | rwhitby | not necessarily |
| 00:30.21 | zsoc | http://www.cardpartner.com/app/the-linux-foundation <-- this is cool |
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| 00:35.07 | StoneRyno | hm I'm not sure I understand the steps 100% in the apply patches page for creating a patch |
| 00:38.39 | jho_ | btw has anyone looked at getting IRC onthe pre? |
| 00:39.11 | egaudet | rwhitby, pong |
| 00:42.08 | tmzt | jho_: there's a terminal now |
| 00:42.17 | tmzt | you can use that with irssi, ircII, etc. |
| 00:42.36 | jho_ | cool |
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| 00:49.17 | rwhitby | egaudet: I'd like to make a change to the postinst and prerm of 0.1.7 so that it works with the new restart flags - do you have any outstanding changes that I will collide with if I check that in now |
| 00:56.02 | egaudet | nope should be fine |
| 00:56.54 | egaudet | back to watching patriots football |
| 00:59.22 | rwhitby | alpha testing feed now has virtual keyboard 0.1.8, preware 0.8.6, accelservice 0.3.0, and ipkgservice 0.9.0, all ready for some serious alpha testing. |
| 00:59.48 | rwhitby | zsoc, jho_: try those to see if the mem probs go away |
| 01:10.30 | jho_ | how do you get to the alpha feed? |
| 01:10.49 | rwhitby | jho_: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/ |
| 01:11.13 | jho_ | okay. I'll look at it if I have a chance. I'm busy setting up hdtv right now =) |
| 01:11.53 | zsoc | jho_, don't mess up. setting up home theatre is half the experience ;) |
| 01:12.03 | jho_ | nah. I |
| 01:12.07 | jho_ | 'm a luddite |
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| 01:12.22 | jho_ | my gf just got a samsung |
| 01:12.31 | jho_ | I watch tv on a 19in crt |
| 01:12.51 | zsoc | rwhitby, can ipkg service be installed through preware yet? or too early to work on it? |
| 01:12.56 | zsoc | jho_, ha, nice. which samsung? |
| 01:13.07 | jho_ | ln40b630 |
| 01:13.14 | rwhitby | zsoc: as of preware 0.8.6 it can |
| 01:13.18 | zsoc | ah |
| 01:13.23 | jho_ | the 650 looked interesting |
| 01:13.23 | zsoc | rwhitby, very cool, checking it out |
| 01:13.30 | rwhitby | but you need wosqi to get 0.8.6 on |
| 01:13.37 | rwhitby | actually, no. |
| 01:13.38 | jho_ | but I figured I will just get a mac mini to attach to it eventually |
| 01:13.52 | rwhitby | if you have ipkgervice 0.9.0 already installed, you can upgrade Preware with Preware. |
| 01:14.01 | zsoc | i like the touch of color series, i know that's really superficial but i'm into it. |
| 01:14.16 | zsoc | rwhitby, couldn't you upgrade preware with preware anyway? |
| 01:14.18 | jho_ | rwhitby I usually just do ipkg -o /var update|upgrade |
| 01:14.35 | rwhitby | jho_: just be careful to run the prerm's and postinst's. |
| 01:14.45 | zsoc | jho_, protip, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE turn off judder reduction on that tv, or bluerays will look like home movies. it's hidden a bit in the menu. |
| 01:14.54 | jho_ | I dont see a command for prerm |
| 01:15.04 | jho_ | I do run the sh *postinst* script |
| 01:15.05 | tmzt | tri comb? |
| 01:15.17 | rwhitby | jho_: prerm is right next to postinst |
| 01:15.21 | jho_ | zsoc: turned off right away. |
| 01:15.31 | jho_ | rwhitby: not on the wiki =) |
| 01:15.43 | rwhitby | jho_: you can fix that ... |
| 01:15.49 | jho_ | zsoc: the judder crap makes my eyes hurt =) |
| 01:16.05 | zsoc | jho_, lol, it is really _cool_ tho, just shouldn't be on by default. |
| 01:16.12 | jho_ | rwhitby: yeah but I'm on a craptastic laptop right now |
| 01:16.15 | zsoc | and screw blur reduction, i want blur ENHANCEMENT. |
| 01:16.32 | jho_ | zsoc: well I'll leave it on for sports |
| 01:16.42 | rwhitby | bbl - ping me here if there are any alpha testing problems. |
| 01:17.00 | jho_ | I just wish there was an easy switch to turn it on/off based on the same input |
| 01:17.25 | zsoc | would be nice |
| 01:19.15 | zsoc | zomg i broke my phone |
| 01:19.47 | Templarian | nice one |
| 01:20.01 | zsoc | wonders if the ipk's someone include prerm/postinsts.... and is embarrassed for not knowing |
| 01:20.10 | zsoc | s/someone/somehow |
| 01:21.38 | oil | which ipks? |
| 01:22.36 | zsoc | oil, most of them? You know, your ones. preware and ipk service.. |
| 01:23.23 | jho_ | rwhitby: you still around? |
| 01:23.32 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:23.33 | zsoc | jho_, he is now that you pinged him :P |
| 01:23.33 | oil | ipkgservice does |
| 01:23.36 | oil | but preware doesnt |
| 01:23.51 | jho_ | do you execute the prerm before or after the postinst? |
| 01:24.03 | jho_ | I'll update the wiki if u tell me the sequence |
| 01:24.15 | rwhitby | jho_: prerm before ipkg -o /var remove, postinst after ipkg -o /var install |
| 01:24.37 | zsoc | wonders what/where the prerm is |
| 01:24.44 | zsoc | i think we just went over this, heh. |
| 01:25.11 | jho_ | rwhitby: well the instructions say ipkg -o /var upgrade |
| 01:25.30 | jho_ | so it could be update, prerm, upgrade, postinst? |
| 01:25.44 | rwhitby | jho_: upgrade is not going to be safe for patches |
| 01:25.47 | Decimation_ | hah, palm cast people apologized to halo 3 for me, im happy. |
| 01:26.00 | oil | used to play A LOT of halo |
| 01:26.01 | zsoc | Decimation_, oh god what did you do? |
| 01:26.17 | rwhitby | ah, missed the palmcast doing alpha releases :-( |
| 01:26.22 | Decimation_ | zsoc: they were hatin on halo 3, i just kindly asked for an apology :) |
| 01:26.33 | Decimation_ | kesne and jason are on it next week. |
| 01:26.40 | jho_ | rwhitby: hmm. |
| 01:26.42 | oil | misses next week |
| 01:26.44 | zsoc | Decimation_, nice. |
| 01:26.45 | oil | xD |
| 01:26.49 | kesne | xD |
| 01:26.54 | zsoc | xD |
| 01:27.02 | oil | i just wont hit play next to kesne's feed |
| 01:27.02 | jho_ | is it necessary to remove? what I've been doing is just update/upgrade/postinst and it seems to be working |
| 01:27.09 | jho_ | no patches installed |
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| 01:27.19 | kesne | Hah |
| 01:27.25 | zsoc | still wonders what/where the prerm script is |
| 01:27.32 | oil | lol |
| 01:27.39 | oil | no ill watch |
| 01:27.41 | kesne | I'm 15 too |
| 01:27.42 | oil | it will just give me more ammo |
| 01:27.42 | rwhitby | jho_: it'll work for most things, but not patches, since the unpatch won't happen |
| 01:28.02 | rwhitby | zsoc: right next to the postinst script |
| 01:28.06 | oil | so the only required change that palm gave me for dot game |
| 01:28.12 | oil | is to remove something i forgot to remove |
| 01:28.13 | oil | lol |
| 01:28.20 | zsoc | rwhitby, but the postinst script is run automagically by ipkg, isn't it? |
| 01:28.33 | rwhitby | zsoc: not in offline mode |
| 01:28.44 | zsoc | but i'm not in offline mode.. |
| 01:28.54 | rwhitby | zsoc: -o /var means offline mod |
| 01:28.57 | rwhitby | e |
| 01:29.03 | zsoc | facepalms |
| 01:29.14 | zsoc | knew that, _really_ |
| 01:29.34 | tmzt | offline? |
| 01:29.38 | jho_ | I've never been able to get preware to update via preware... |
| 01:29.44 | tmzt | oh right |
| 01:29.45 | jho_ | so I just do it commandline style |
| 01:29.45 | rwhitby | zsoc: it even prints out that it is not running the script |
| 01:29.47 | tmzt | the root of the fs |
| 01:30.12 | rwhitby | tmzt: yeah, sorry. offline root mode is the correct term |
| 01:30.24 | jho_ | rwhitby: any reason why it's not executed automatically? |
| 01:30.36 | tmzt | yeah, I was trying to figure out why a flag had a parameter |
| 01:30.40 | tmzt | it -o meant offline |
| 01:31.05 | rwhitby | jho_: that's the correct functionality for ipkg |
| 01:31.24 | rwhitby | jho_: it's just that palm is using it in a slightly different way. |
| 01:33.11 | tmzt | ipkg supports alternate roots like on zaurus right? |
| 01:33.24 | rwhitby | yes, that's the intended usage of -o |
| 01:33.30 | StoneRyno | I have made a preliminary pass over the patches ages and noted ones I'm pretty sure are missing from the git repo with ++ in from of the names |
| 01:34.43 | StoneRyno | There are a few patches in the repo I'm not sure what they do as I can't identify them by name when comparing the list from putty to the list on the patches page |
| 01:35.21 | StoneRyno | Will look into them later on to see if i can identify them from the patch file |
| 01:35.44 | zsoc | feels silly now that he sees what the pre/postinst's do |
| 01:35.50 | StoneRyno | but the notation gives a good start for people to volunteer to make the patches |
| 01:35.52 | Decimation_ | that was my first palm cast |
| 01:35.57 | Decimation_ | overall good expierence. |
| 01:36.27 | zsoc | Decimation_, honestly i can't stand them. |
| 01:36.27 | Decimation_ | now for trig homework. |
| 01:36.35 | StoneRyno | I'll be hitting the sack soon so I'll try and fit in some time to work on more tomorrow |
| 01:37.32 | Decimation_ | zsoc: i like em. |
| 01:38.00 | zsoc | rwhitby, don't know if this is important enough, everything seems to work.. er.. preware closed itself when i updated an app, but the update worked. also launch button is nice |
| 01:38.21 | rwhitby | zsoc: which app? |
| 01:38.43 | zsoc | rwhitby, the one that's updated everyday, ha, wordwhirl |
| 01:39.03 | oil | rwhitby: puffs services need fixin |
| 01:39.19 | Decimation_ | okays guys, trig homework time, will be on later...cya. |
| 01:39.22 | rwhitby | oil: yep |
| 01:39.27 | zsoc | could be :) like i said, it worked at least lol, not sure how to recreate that environment, can i roll back an update? |
| 01:39.32 | zsoc | Decimation_, peace |
| 01:40.39 | rwhitby | oil: I've got a situation here where I have 0.1.3 of virtual keyboard installed, and have the testing feed loaded, so 0.1.3 is in webosinternals feed and 0.1.8 is in testing feed, and the Installed Packages section is showing 0.1.8. |
| 01:40.46 | zsoc | I know I've asked this before, where's the changelog for the keyboard? |
| 01:40.47 | rwhitby | oil: ipkg -o /var list_installed shows 0.1.3 |
| 01:41.12 | rwhitby | zsoc: in the description |
| 01:41.28 | kesne | is freakout here? |
| 01:41.43 | rwhitby | oil: status file also has 0.1.3 |
| 01:42.18 | oil | huh |
| 01:42.43 | oil | feel like debugging it? |
| 01:43.12 | rwhitby | I dunno how to debug javascript ... but I have time to learn. |
| 01:43.47 | oil | ill push a version of package.js that has debugging in it |
| 01:44.00 | rwhitby | ok |
| 01:44.02 | Decimation_ | before i go, rwhitby: i heard talk about services being able to be updated and stuff and preware soon |
| 01:44.05 | Decimation_ | when do you expect that |
| 01:44.12 | oil | now |
| 01:44.15 | Decimation_ | :| |
| 01:44.48 | rwhitby | Decimation_: alpha testing feed has them now |
| 01:44.59 | zsoc | yeah i think it's actually working |
| 01:45.23 | zsoc | rwhitby, oooo, just got a wonderful "no space left on advice" when installing 0.1.8 |
| 01:46.44 | zsoc | does that tell anyone anything? heh |
| 01:47.21 | Decimation_ | service 9.0 and preware 8.6? |
| 01:47.37 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:47.55 | chrisa | yawns |
| 01:48.11 | zsoc | chrisa, am i boring you? |
| 01:48.53 | chrisa | I'll say just just to incite conflict |
| 01:48.57 | chrisa | 'yes' |
| 01:49.03 | oil | lol |
| 01:49.08 | zsoc | chrisa, no conflict, i'm pretty darn boring |
| 01:49.14 | chrisa | The fact that there are two 'just's may be a clue though |
| 01:49.18 | kesne | Anybody going to watch next weeks Palm Cast |
| 01:49.20 | kesne | ? |
| 01:49.29 | zsoc | kesne, definitely not now xD |
| 01:49.35 | oil | xD |
| 01:49.41 | zsoc | xD |
| 01:49.47 | kesne | Hey, no offence taken here |
| 01:49.56 | chrisa | hmm my webserver is down? |
| 01:49.57 | zsoc | just kiddin' bro, i'll be there, i'm no square |
| 01:50.13 | zsoc | chrisa, whoops |
| 01:50.13 | kesne | Who would want to go see some 15 year old kid talk about palm pre dev |
| 01:50.29 | zsoc | kesne, er, normally, no one, but you have an app in the official catalog, so everyone ;) |
| 01:50.41 | chrisa | I think I've lost a lot of childlike wonder when it comes to maintaining my server after a decade |
| 01:50.49 | chrisa | Now rather than investigating I just grumble and restart apache |
| 01:51.07 | kesne | zsoc: Yes, but an app with an AI that sucks |
| 01:51.10 | zsoc | Wait, you mean there's another way to do it? |
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| 01:51.35 | kesne | Best feature suggestion for checkers so far: Nipple Checkers |
| 01:51.41 | zsoc | kesne, who cares? it's an app in a catalog that is very unipressively crawling along beta atm |
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| 01:52.36 | spotter | I'm trying to port some C code (float and integer math) to javascript |
| 01:52.42 | spotter | and javascript isn't returning the values I'd expect |
| 01:53.09 | spotter | anyone have experiences w/ javascript ints and floats? |
| 01:53.19 | bpadalino | aren't they all floats ? |
| 01:53.43 | spotter | I'm no javascript expert |
| 01:53.47 | oil | rwhitby: git has logging |
| 01:53.57 | rwhitby | thx |
| 01:54.32 | spotter | trying to adapt, float z = -73.4738; int x=(int)z; z = (z-x)*100.0; |
| 01:54.40 | spotter | so in javascript I did |
| 01:54.54 | rwhitby | oil: don't see it on the server yet |
| 01:55.05 | spotter | x=parseInt(z); z = (z-x)*100.0 |
| 01:55.16 | spotter | but I get totally different options |
| 01:55.19 | spotter | I mean values |
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| 01:55.55 | spotter | actually change that, the above float z should be positive |
| 01:56.00 | spotter | I should get 47.38 |
| 01:56.11 | spotter | but in javacript, getting 47.379999...9971 |
| 01:56.26 | bpadalino | precision, precision |
| 01:56.35 | rwhitby | oil: gitweb shows no changes since 0.8.6 - did you push? |
| 01:56.36 | spotter | right |
| 01:56.36 | oil | rwhitby: yeah, it helps if i commit before i push |
| 01:56.37 | oil | xD |
| 01:56.44 | spotter | bpadalino, but in C in works fine w/ plain floats |
| 01:56.49 | Eguy | oil: you spammer |
| 01:56.50 | spotter | javascript is doing something funky |
| 01:56.54 | Eguy | :P |
| 01:57.01 | spotter | any idea? |
| 01:57.40 | oil | spammer? |
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| 01:57.54 | bpadalino | i don't use js .. sorry .. but google might have some good insights |
| 01:58.29 | oil | spotter: Math.round |
| 01:58.57 | rwhitby | oil: how do I see the logging? |
| 01:59.05 | oil | its in messages |
| 01:59.10 | chrisa | Use toFixed(2) |
| 01:59.16 | bpadalino | http://www.mredkj.com/javascript/nfbasic2.html |
| 01:59.22 | bpadalino | that seems to be some basic stuff |
| 01:59.39 | oil | wow, i never knew toFixed existed |
| 01:59.40 | spotter | toFixed isn't write though |
| 01:59.42 | oil | thanks chrisa |
| 01:59.48 | spotter | if it's 47.389 it truncate |
| 02:00.02 | bpadalino | toFixed seems to be the thing to d |
| 02:00.04 | chrisa | I don't know JS at all |
| 02:00.06 | spotter | wondering why javascript float behavior isn't same as C |
| 02:00.08 | oil | lol |
| 02:00.09 | chrisa | That was google #2 |
| 02:00.12 | bpadalino | chrisa, ppfftt - yeah right! |
| 02:00.25 | bpadalino | i heard chrisa is a js ninja |
| 02:01.15 | Eguy | kesne is a ninja |
| 02:01.26 | kesne | Eguy: why do you say that? |
| 02:01.35 | oil | cause that checkers ai is so awesome |
| 02:01.38 | Eguy | I just have a .... *dead* |
| 02:01.39 | kesne | xD |
| 02:01.49 | oil | lol |
| 02:02.03 | chrisa | Everytime I hear "shadow registers" I imagine an arm shadow government ruling the processes from behind the scenes |
| 02:02.44 | kesne | EguyL I'm very connected, so I hear news, like 1.2 being next week |
| 02:03.15 | Eguy | 1.2 is a lie |
| 02:03.28 | zsoc | That's funny, when I hear "shadow registers" I think of the hacked gstreamer register that Palm patched together to make their hacked drivers work and/or stop me from registering perfectly fine well-built plugins :P |
| 02:03.32 | kesne | 1.2 isnt |
| 02:03.38 | Eguy | Like the female orgasm |
| 02:03.45 | kesne | Eguy: xD |
| 02:03.48 | zsoc | Eguy, nice. |
| 02:03.55 | kesne | Did I tell you about the checkers feature suggestion? |
| 02:03.58 | Eguy | ;) |
| 02:04.14 | chrisa | I know nothing of what we did with gstreamer, but I'm pretty sure there are dragons there too |
| 02:04.16 | oil | the dotgame feedback i got is simple |
| 02:04.27 | oil | 4 suggested |
| 02:04.28 | zsoc | Eguy, technically, i think pointing that comment towards kesne is "endangering the welfare of a child" |
| 02:04.29 | oil | 2 required |
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| 02:04.42 | oil | and the two required are just things i forgot |
| 02:04.51 | bpadalino | no wonder my pre feels so hot in my pocket .. too many fire breathers in there |
| 02:04.53 | oil | like to remove about |
| 02:04.58 | oil | and add help |
| 02:04.59 | zsoc | chrisa, many dragons, and i've managed to have them all eat individual iterations of me at the same time, they are hot, dirty, and magical |
| 02:05.02 | oil | to the game menu |
| 02:05.02 | oil | lol |
| 02:05.04 | kesne | oil: Checkers had 2 required, 2 suggested :P |
| 02:05.17 | Eguy | lol |
| 02:05.18 | *** join/#webos-internals gould361 (n=rgould@c-76-27-202-167.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:05.22 | oil | and im only going to fallow one of their suggestions |
| 02:05.38 | oil | two of them will take a long time |
| 02:05.46 | oil | and the other is stupid |
| 02:05.47 | kesne | AHH |
| 02:05.57 | kesne | Keen Studios website viewship is DOWN!? |
| 02:06.05 | oil | after all that spamming? |
| 02:06.07 | oil | im shocked |
| 02:06.10 | Eguy | lol! |
| 02:06.12 | kesne | What spamming? |
| 02:06.12 | Eguy | nice oil |
| 02:06.21 | Eguy | The chatroll |
| 02:06.24 | Eguy | you borked it |
| 02:06.39 | kesne | I just said everyone should enter the contest :/ |
| 02:06.46 | oil | about 20 times |
| 02:06.47 | kesne | Ah |
| 02:06.49 | Eguy | 10 times |
| 02:06.50 | kesne | Twice |
| 02:06.51 | Eguy | lol |
| 02:06.55 | kesne | I counted |
| 02:06.57 | zsoc | over 9000 times |
| 02:07.03 | oil | lol |
| 02:07.03 | Eguy | We are just giving you a hard time buddy |
| 02:07.10 | Eguy | not really.... |
| 02:07.10 | kesne | And I'm looking at YESTERDAYS dates, silly me |
| 02:07.21 | oil | eguy is going to jail for giving kesne a hard time |
| 02:07.23 | oil | hes only 15 dude |
| 02:07.32 | kesne | And zsoc: I don't mind :P |
| 02:07.37 | oil | lol |
| 02:07.38 | kesne | oil: I could care less |
| 02:07.39 | Eguy | LOL |
| 02:07.48 | oil | you could? |
| 02:07.50 | Eguy | What is with all these kids developming |
| 02:07.51 | kesne | I could |
| 02:07.54 | Eguy | developing |
| 02:07.58 | kesne | No mispellings there |
| 02:08.02 | kesne | I really could |
| 02:08.07 | kesne | And Kids developing, no idea |
| 02:08.09 | *** join/#webos-internals dug (n=Adium@173-127-155-210.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 02:08.09 | Eguy | smashes keyboard |
| 02:08.10 | zsoc | kesne, again, a joke, just poking at one :) i'm done now lol. |
| 02:08.20 | kesne | Everyone in Keen Studios is under 18 |
| 02:08.29 | Eguy | woah there |
| 02:08.41 | gould361 | can anyone help me get connected to the pre with winscp |
| 02:08.52 | Eguy | As long as there is consent |
| 02:08.54 | kesne | Why does everyone "joke" with me? |
| 02:08.56 | gould361 | it keeps timing out saying network error |
| 02:09.09 | zsoc | kesne, because we're jealous of how awesome you are |
| 02:09.16 | Eguy | quite simply |
| 02:09.17 | oil | srsly |
| 02:09.21 | Eguy | duh |
| 02:09.24 | kesne | xD |
| 02:09.27 | kesne | Lololol |
| 02:09.27 | bclancy | rwhitby/others: Noticed that "Preware 0.8.6 and Package Manager Service 0.9.0 are in alpha testing now." Can I get them here (or is it somewhere else)? http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/ |
| 02:09.29 | bclancy | Assuming the URL is correct, Do I still need to use the WebOSQuickInstall.jar to install them? (thx) |
| 02:09.42 | oil | bclancy: thats where they area |
| 02:09.46 | oil | are* |
| 02:09.53 | oil | yeah, use webosquickinstall |
| 02:09.58 | zsoc | oil, personally, that's where i like to area |
| 02:10.02 | bclancy | thx, will install them now |
| 02:10.20 | kesne | That's What's Up. |
| 02:10.29 | spotter | ok, then another quesiton |
| 02:10.50 | spotter | any easy way in javascript to determine how places after a decimal point in javascript? |
| 02:10.59 | Eguy | you are only allowed one per day |
| 02:12.02 | *** part/#webos-internals gould361 (n=rgould@c-76-27-202-167.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:12.17 | kesne | Wow, I was thinking about this and I think that selfawaregames is really my main competition |
| 02:12.31 | Eguy | well there is dot game but that sucks |
| 02:12.34 | oil | selfawaregames? |
| 02:12.40 | oil | dotgame soonish |
| 02:12.42 | oil | blocked after that |
| 02:12.43 | oil | srsly |
| 02:12.56 | kesne | http://www.selfawaregames.com/ |
| 02:12.58 | Eguy | blocked isn't even worth mentioning |
| 02:13.09 | kesne | And oil, I'm not counting those games as "competition" |
| 02:13.30 | Eguy | Coming Soon......something quite different. ooooo |
| 02:13.30 | Eguy | checkers |
| 02:13.32 | oil | is looking to destroy checkers |
| 02:13.33 | zsoc | blocked is awesome |
| 02:13.46 | oil | xD |
| 02:13.58 | Eguy | zsoc: please, no need to feel sorry for oil |
| 02:14.02 | kesne | Blocked is like checkers, same idea |
| 02:14.07 | oil | pretty soon ill be postin "hey guys, 24000!!!@!" |
| 02:14.15 | oil | xD |
| 02:14.24 | Eguy | yes blocked is like checkers without cheating AI |
| 02:14.28 | kesne | Actually it's 36,000 oil |
| 02:14.35 | kesne | Eguy: xD |
| 02:14.38 | oil | blocked and checkers are nothing alike |
| 02:14.43 | oil | i wrote blocked from scratch |
| 02:14.45 | oil | xD |
| 02:14.47 | kesne | oil: they are IDENTICAL |
| 02:14.47 | Eguy | and it sucks |
| 02:15.16 | Eguy | oil: my dog could of wrote a better blocked |
| 02:15.20 | kesne | Checkers has cooler graphics |
| 02:15.21 | oil | lol |
| 02:15.30 | oil | thats fine with me |
| 02:15.32 | Eguy | and cheating ai.... |
| 02:15.33 | oil | i didnt make any blocked art |
| 02:15.34 | kesne | Actually, I think the dragging on blocked needs some work |
| 02:15.38 | oil | wait |
| 02:15.40 | oil | i did make some of it |
| 02:15.43 | oil | but, i know im not an artist |
| 02:15.46 | Eguy | blue and red? |
| 02:15.56 | oil | have you checked out 091 of blocked? |
| 02:16.03 | Eguy | no |
| 02:16.03 | oil | i changed the dragging a little |
| 02:16.14 | oil | seems more better |
| 02:16.54 | kesne | That's What's Up. |
| 02:17.01 | Eguy | hmm these speakers aren't half that bad |
| 02:17.11 | zsoc | I have a pretty serious question. Has internals stayed away from tethering to appease palm or sprint? I mean, it would be uber easy to make a script that enabled usbnet, and bridged evdo with iptables... |
| 02:17.26 | Eguy | Sprint |
| 02:17.40 | Eguy | Sprint said no and palm said listen to sprint |
| 02:17.50 | zsoc | Sprint said no... where? Here? |
| 02:18.00 | zsoc | Not trying to be devil's advocate, just missed that part. |
| 02:18.02 | Eguy | I think they sent an angry email |
| 02:18.27 | kesne | Yup |
| 02:18.27 | kesne | Eguy is correct |
| 02:18.27 | kesne | I'm a ninja, you can trust me |
| 02:18.35 | Eguy | lol |
| 02:18.46 | kesne | If I added Nipple Checkers to Checkers Pro would you buy it? |
| 02:18.50 | Eguy | you can just use mytether |
| 02:19.06 | oil | pink nipples vs dark nipples? |
| 02:19.15 | kesne | oil: yeah |
| 02:19.18 | oil | lol |
| 02:19.24 | zsoc | Er, sent it to whom? Is there a copy of this somewhere? |
| 02:19.59 | Eguy | To whoever started with wiki, I forgot who it was |
| 02:20.01 | Eguy | forgive me |
| 02:20.08 | oil | rwhitby? |
| 02:20.12 | Eguy | negative |
| 02:20.17 | zsoc | Eguy, was the mytether service ever released? i'm just super uncomfortable not knowing what it does for sure |
| 02:20.34 | oil | it hacks your pre |
| 02:20.38 | oil | and installs a virus |
| 02:20.41 | zsoc | ... |
| 02:20.46 | Eguy | and steals your credit card number |
| 02:20.53 | Eguy | and takes a picture of you |
| 02:21.01 | Eguy | and photoshops it |
| 02:21.01 | kesne | Eguy: only on 1.2 |
| 02:21.04 | zsoc | it's not actually funny. |
| 02:21.17 | Eguy | you can install it from preware |
| 02:21.21 | Eguy | jason cleaned it up |
| 02:21.30 | kesne | zsoc: it is, it's clean, Jason approved it |
| 02:21.34 | zsoc | ok, so new keyboard is lifted away from the text box, that's good |
| 02:21.39 | zsoc | kesne, oh, thank you :) |
| 02:21.58 | zsoc | wonders where the rest of the changelog is for the keyboard |
| 02:21.58 | kesne | And compared to Jason I'm messing with playskool toys |
| 02:22.26 | Eguy | Jason = the man |
| 02:22.37 | Eguy | with a plan |
| 02:22.47 | rwhitby | Eguy: no-one sent any angry emails |
| 02:22.47 | kesne | Jason is the other guest star of next weeks palmcast |
| 02:22.51 | |Jason8|Raph| | <_< |
| 02:22.51 | Eguy | to go to afghanistan |
| 02:22.52 | |Jason8|Raph| | >_> |
| 02:22.54 | |Jason8|Raph| | am not. |
| 02:23.03 | kesne | Wha... |
| 02:23.21 | Eguy | I thought they sent an email to remove all code on the predev wiki? |
| 02:23.32 | kesne | Eguy: How did afghanistan factor into this |
| 02:23.38 | Eguy | It rhymed |
| 02:23.48 | kesne | A ha |
| 02:23.59 | kesne | To much spam from rwhitby, couldnt tell |
| 02:24.03 | rwhitby | Eguy: nope, no-one ever sent any emails to anyone |
| 02:24.15 | kesne | :P |
| 02:24.16 | Eguy | Who asked to have it removed then? |
| 02:24.21 | zsoc | rwhitby, i was going to say, that seems WAY outta character for Sprint |
| 02:25.26 | zsoc | ameng, ping? |
| 02:25.37 | Eguy | well forgive me for my ignorance |
| 02:25.37 | ameng | zsoc: pong |
| 02:25.45 | rwhitby | Eguy: no-one asked. tethering is a violation of the sprint terms of service for all the plans that are available for the Pre. until there is a carrier that allows tethering, you can't do it legitimately. |
| 02:26.25 | Eguy | I see |
| 02:26.31 | rwhitby | it's not available on BellMo either. |
| 02:26.48 | Decimation_ | lol, anyone here know the show "America's got talent" ? |
| 02:26.54 | Eguy | yeah |
| 02:27.01 | zsoc | ameng, i'm curious about your direcfb work, where are you at and what are the future plans? wondering if i could help at all |
| 02:27.20 | *** join/#webos-internals sportman (n=sportman@66.206.140.206) |
| 02:27.26 | Decimation_ | Eguy: saying yeah to me? |
| 02:27.26 | sportman | waves |
| 02:27.30 | Eguy | yeah |
| 02:27.38 | rwhitby | Eguy: when there is a CDMA or GSM carrier that allows tethering legitimately, you'll see a service from us and an app to control it. |
| 02:27.54 | *** join/#webos-internals sampson (n=sampson@205.234.188.34) |
| 02:27.55 | Decimation_ | Eguy: by any chance did you watch the finale tonight? |
| 02:27.57 | zsoc | makes an upstart cdma carrier that allows tethering |
| 02:28.06 | sampson | anyone have an issue with openssh segfaulting on the actual pre? |
| 02:28.13 | Eguy | I'm recording it...don't spill it |
| 02:28.22 | Decimation_ | well, the last person |
| 02:28.24 | Decimation_ | the singer |
| 02:28.26 | Decimation_ | Kevin Skinner |
| 02:28.33 | rwhitby | sampson: yeah, known problem. anything in /var/log/messages? I can't debug it here cause I don't have a Pre. |
| 02:28.37 | zsoc | Decimation_, HE SAID DON"T SAY ANYTHING P |
| 02:28.39 | Decimation_ | is my moms is my moms cousin |
| 02:28.43 | sampson | let me check one sec |
| 02:28.46 | Eguy | no way hahahah |
| 02:28.49 | zsoc | <spoiler> |
| 02:28.56 | Decimation_ | zsoc: lol, no? |
| 02:29.03 | zsoc | Decimation_, so he's your first cousin once removed? |
| 02:29.06 | Decimation_ | Eguy: yeah, hes like, from kentucky. |
| 02:29.13 | Decimation_ | mayfield |
| 02:29.18 | Decimation_ | and he catches chickens for a living |
| 02:29.19 | Decimation_ | lmao |
| 02:29.36 | kesne | *caught |
| 02:29.36 | Decimation_ | biggest hillbilly ever, but thats my moms side of the family :P straight from kentucky. |
| 02:29.38 | kesne | Doesnt any more |
| 02:29.41 | ameng | zsoc: in next step i want to run gtk programs. i am glad if you can help, there is much to do to polish the current version |
| 02:29.49 | Decimation_ | kesne: if he doesnt win he will. |
| 02:30.18 | kesne | He will win |
| 02:30.23 | kesne | Or should win at least |
| 02:30.25 | kesne | I love that guy |
| 02:30.45 | Decimation_ | kesne: thanks :) |
| 02:30.49 | zsoc | ameng, i'm not super knowledgeable, but much more comfortable with the fb and gtk than what i've been working on. also i'm good at testing things xD |
| 02:30.50 | kesne | :D |
| 02:30.54 | Decimation_ | they showed like, his wife and kids |
| 02:30.55 | sampson | bah comp crashed with the mojo sdk hold onnn |
| 02:30.58 | Decimation_ | and like house and stuff |
| 02:31.04 | Decimation_ | and i was like.. wow.. ive hung out with them |
| 02:31.05 | Decimation_ | lol |
| 02:31.22 | Eguy | He's a good singer |
| 02:31.25 | Eguy | but |
| 02:31.34 | Decimation_ | Eguy: i dont think he'll win |
| 02:31.38 | Eguy | yeah |
| 02:31.43 | Eguy | I liked some of the other stuff |
| 02:31.48 | Decimation_ | i personally am not a huge fan of him |
| 02:31.49 | Eguy | like acrodunk |
| 02:31.50 | Decimation_ | but hey, its family :) |
| 02:32.10 | zsoc | Decimation, well now you're almost as cool as kesne |
| 02:32.20 | rwhitby | notes that it's now #webos-watercooler time of day ... |
| 02:32.24 | Decimation | zsoc: YAY |
| 02:32.29 | Eguy | yes, that time of day |
| 02:32.30 | Decimation | rwhitby: meh |
| 02:32.31 | *** join/#webos-internals krope32 (n=krope32@69.169.140.199.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net) |
| 02:32.37 | Eguy | It's dead in there :( |
| 02:32.49 | Eguy | My channel is always dead |
| 02:32.59 | Decimation | Eguy: nah, i just pumped up that party |
| 02:33.11 | rwhitby | I'd like to be able to see ameng's comments in between the hillbilly and singer references please. |
| 02:33.47 | Eguy | Sorry mate |
| 02:33.47 | Decimation | rwhitby: fair enough, to the cooler! |
| 02:33.48 | rwhitby | and sampson's debuggin |
| 02:34.21 | zsoc | rwhitby, hey don't yell at me, i was the one that managed to get ameng to make comments ;) |
| 02:34.27 | kesne | Quick question: where does everyone here live? |
| 02:34.27 | zsoc | wonders where ajames is |
| 02:34.33 | zsoc | kesne, everywhere |
| 02:34.36 | sampson | nothing in messages |
| 02:34.41 | sampson | i just ran a strace on it let me pastebin it |
| 02:34.41 | *** join/#webos-internals hemna (n=waboring@66.60.188.8) |
| 02:34.47 | zsoc | kesne, but you live in the UK |
| 02:34.55 | rwhitby | zsoc: what made you think I was yelling at you? |
| 02:35.25 | sampson | rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d272d66fa |
| 02:35.29 | sampson | strace from ssh on the pre |
| 02:35.29 | zsoc | rwhitby, anytime I think of a comment I can put a winky face at the end, I tend to type it. It's more of an obsessive-compulsive brainwave relationship |
| 02:36.23 | rwhitby | zsoc: I was dead serious - but I don't think you were talking about hillbillies or singers, so why are you feeling guilty? |
| 02:36.57 | zsoc | rwhitby, i think i may have egged on one or the other of them once or twice :) |
| 02:37.24 | jho_ | what we have here is a failure to communicate |
| 02:37.45 | ameng | occupied by real life these days , i would like to explain how the dfbadapter works in the page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:DFBAdapter if have time |
| 02:37.52 | kesne | zsoc: where do you think I live? |
| 02:37.59 | zsoc | jho_, i don't think i've ever succeeded in communicating :) |
| 02:38.00 | jho_ | hmmm. instant gratification overpriced hdmi cable at bestbuy or buy from monoprice... |
| 02:38.02 | zsoc | kesne, the UK |
| 02:38.07 | kesne | Not even close |
| 02:38.14 | *** join/#webos-internals AnOutsider (n=AnOutsid@c-68-39-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:38.17 | Eguy | guys take it to the cooler |
| 02:38.28 | AnOutsider | did I walk in in the middle of a fight |
| 02:38.30 | sampson | that help you at all rwhitby? |
| 02:38.34 | kesne | Does anyone here even know? |
| 02:38.45 | rwhitby | sampson: I might have to package openssl and zlib instead of just relying on the libraries on the device ... |
| 02:38.46 | zsoc | kesne, AU then, but cooler for that :p |
| 02:39.04 | sampson | yeah it looks like it |
| 02:39.44 | AnOutsider | kesne: not sure if it's fixed in pro, but I was playing checkers earlier and I got to a point where I couldn't make anymore moves |
| 02:39.49 | AnOutsider | It didn't game over |
| 02:40.06 | kesne | Fixed in an update, will be pushed soon |
| 02:40.19 | AnOutsider | okie dok, just wanted to let ya know |
| 02:40.32 | rwhitby | oil: ok, got the logging info now |
| 02:40.56 | *** join/#webos-internals sportman (n=sportman@66.206.156.221) |
| 02:41.39 | oil | pastebin? |
| 02:42.12 | sampson | rwhitby: it would probably be more wise to rely on your own libs anyways... has a greater possibility of surviving webos updates |
| 02:42.38 | rwhitby | sampson: yeah, we usually do that in optware, I just handn't got around to packaging the libs yet. |
| 02:42.45 | sampson | ah |
| 02:43.10 | rwhitby | oil: so here's the thing - the Installed Packages list should only use the info from the status file, right? It should not use any info from the feeds. |
| 02:43.26 | oil | uh |
| 02:43.27 | oil | no |
| 02:43.32 | oil | if hte package is in the feed |
| 02:43.42 | oil | it should load the info the status is missing |
| 02:44.11 | rwhitby | oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/d542fb8c2 |
| 02:44.49 | rwhitby | oil: the reality is that I have 0.1.3 installed, but 0.1.8 |
| 02:45.03 | oil | thats not the first time it appeared? |
| 02:45.34 | rwhitby | oil: you remember I was reporting something like this last week? I think it's the same thing. |
| 02:48.41 | oil | was the keyboard listed before that? |
| 02:49.05 | Eguy | kesne join the watercooler |
| 02:49.18 | kesne | Wait what? |
| 02:49.33 | sportman | have any of you guys had problems with the terminal app? |
| 02:49.39 | sportman | i installed the plugin first than the app |
| 02:49.47 | sportman | but when i launch it, it doesnt allow me to type, or anything |
| 02:52.36 | oil | you need the terminal service |
| 02:54.02 | sportman | i know |
| 02:54.15 | sportman | thats what i meant by plugin |
| 02:54.20 | sportman | my mistake misuse of words |
| 02:54.23 | sportman | i installed the service |
| 02:54.24 | sportman | and the app |
| 02:54.25 | sportman | :) |
| 02:54.58 | rwhitby | sportman: zlib and openssl are now in the testing feed - can you try with them? |
| 02:55.20 | rwhitby | sportman: no, you are correct, termplugin is a plugin, not a service. |
| 02:55.40 | rwhitby | sampson: zlib and openssl are now in the testing feed - can you try with them? |
| 02:55.53 | rwhitby | sportman: the zlib message was for sampson |
| 02:56.12 | sampson | i take it i gotta use the quick install to get that? |
| 02:56.16 | rwhitby | oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/d4bb92dcf updated with both parts of the log, sorry. |
| 02:57.01 | rwhitby | sampson: there's a number of ways you can access the testing feed. |
| 02:57.05 | sportman | rwhitby: so do i need the plugin and another service? |
| 02:57.26 | sportman | or was i fine with just installing the plugin and the app? |
| 02:57.44 | rwhitby | sampson: until oil and I get this version stuff fixed, I'd recommend downloading the ipkgs from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/ and using wosqi to install them |
| 02:58.02 | rwhitby | sportman: plugin and app are fine. what did you use to install them? |
| 02:58.32 | sportman | preware |
| 02:58.38 | sportman | but when i launch the app i get a black screen |
| 02:58.41 | rwhitby | sportman: which version please |
| 02:58.42 | sportman | and i can click new session |
| 02:58.51 | sportman | but it doesnt let me type, of preware or terminal |
| 02:58.58 | bclancy | in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/ I am getting an "error reading package list" alert from WebOSQuickInstall.jar - Is something wrong or is it being updated or something? |
| 02:59.13 | rwhitby | sportman: actually, are you following the installation instructions on the wiki page? |
| 02:59.26 | *** join/#webos-internals AZero_ (n=user@76-193-146-161.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:59.28 | rwhitby | bclancy: wosqi does that some times - no idea why |
| 02:59.34 | sampson | alright installing openssh, openssl & zlib |
| 02:59.43 | sportman | first i did it with preware |
| 02:59.46 | sportman | ill go find the install page |
| 02:59.51 | sportman | on the wiki if thats easier |
| 03:00.09 | bclancy | How do I get around it? |
| 03:00.11 | rwhitby | sportman: using the instructions is always a good first step ;-) |
| 03:00.16 | rwhitby | bclancy: try again |
| 03:00.20 | sportman | well stupid me saw it in the preware |
| 03:00.20 | bclancy | ok |
| 03:00.22 | sportman | and installed :-p |
| 03:00.41 | rwhitby | oil: so it sees 0.1.3, then later thinks that 0.1.8 is installed. |
| 03:00.56 | rwhitby | oil: replace type 5 then replace type 3 |
| 03:01.13 | oil | really |
| 03:01.28 | rwhitby | http://webos.pastebin.com/d4bb92dcf |
| 03:01.35 | rwhitby | really :-) |
| 03:01.39 | oil | sorry |
| 03:01.42 | oil | i was going to type something else |
| 03:01.47 | oil | i didnt mean it like that |
| 03:01.55 | oil | i lost the other pastebin though |
| 03:03.08 | sampson | rwhitby: looks like org.webosinternals.openssh_5.2.1-4_armv7.ipk doesn't install properly |
| 03:03.08 | rwhitby | oil: no probs |
| 03:03.08 | oil | the version its printing |
| 03:03.08 | sampson | i don't see ssh in /opt/bin |
| 03:03.08 | oil | is the 'version' field |
| 03:03.08 | Eguy | netsplits? |
| 03:03.08 | oil | not the 'installedversion' field |
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| 03:03.15 | oil | so even though the second one says old is 018 |
| 03:03.15 | oil | thats the update |
| 03:03.15 | rwhitby | sampson: ah, did you use ipkgservice 0.9.0 and preware 0.8.6 to install it? |
| 03:03.15 | oil | installed version is probably 013 |
| 03:03.15 | sampson | i installed the ipk through quick install |
| 03:03.15 | oil | since it says hasUpdate = true |
| 03:03.15 | sampson | openssl & zlib showed up |
| 03:03.15 | sampson | openssh didn't |
| 03:03.44 | rwhitby | sampson: ah, quickinstall doesn't do update-alternatives correctly yet. |
| 03:03.44 | oil | it will just require more checks |
| 03:03.44 | rwhitby | sampson: reinstall openssh using preware 0.8.6 |
| 03:04.09 | oil | ill check it out when im done eating |
| 03:04.09 | rwhitby | oil: thanks. |
| 03:04.09 | sampson | just from the regular apps list? |
| 03:04.21 | rwhitby | sampson: select "Show All Package Types" in the prefs |
| 03:04.22 | rwhitby | sampson: then go to Type: Optware |
| 03:05.28 | sampson | ok hold on |
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| 03:07.22 | sampson | rwhitby: that worked! |
| 03:07.52 | rwhitby | sampson: so zlib and openssl fix it? |
| 03:08.15 | sampson | yep... im talking from it now |
| 03:09.15 | sportman | just has shitty luck |
| 03:09.21 | sportman | followed install instructions |
| 03:09.23 | sportman | :( |
| 03:10.50 | bclancy | I'm not getting anywhere trying to add the custom test feed: "I thought I might need to add "all" to the URL, but that didn't work either - Should I add /Packages/ to that or soimething? |
| 03:10.59 | bclancy | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/all |
| 03:11.59 | bclancy | If nobody has suggestions, I can either search the IRC logs or give up for tonight. |
| 03:13.47 | zsoc | bclancy, sorry mate, dunno, not familiar enough with quickinstall |
| 03:14.13 | oil | i tried to add the feed to quick install before |
| 03:14.16 | oil | and never got it working and gave up |
| 03:14.39 | bclancy | NP, thx - I'll just give up for now - thx |
| 03:14.52 | Azalyn | will the apps on preware interfere with updates from palm? i read in the wiki that some apps like the touch keyboard do some deep modifications to the system |
| 03:15.19 | oil | the keyboard is not an app |
| 03:15.24 | oil | its a patch to palms files |
| 03:15.30 | Azalyn | ah |
| 03:16.13 | sportman | any irc apps for the pre yet? |
| 03:16.33 | Azalyn | i'm just wondering if i should wait for 1.2 before putting any homebrew on mine |
| 03:17.14 | acydlord | no irc apps yet |
| 03:17.14 | Azalyn | sportman: first day i came here i asked the same :) - apparently there's a plan laid out for one |
| 03:17.22 | Azalyn | but no actual app yet. |
| 03:17.23 | rwhitby | Azalyn: patches and tweaks need to be removed. apps dont't. |
| 03:17.24 | acydlord | qirc probably wouldnt be hard to port |
| 03:17.25 | sportman | ah |
| 03:17.35 | sportman | thanks for the answer Azalyn |
| 03:17.42 | sportman | hopes to get the terminal app working soon then |
| 03:17.47 | sportman | ill just use irssi |
| 03:17.55 | sportman | if i get it working (the terminal app that is) |
| 03:17.58 | sportman | brb... |
| 03:18.37 | zsoc | bbl |
| 03:19.09 | Azalyn | rwhitby: ah, alright. |
| 03:20.17 | rwhitby | is working on packaging irssi for preware command line |
| 03:20.33 | geist | aww yeah |
| 03:22.17 | rwhitby | geist: is that a positive or negative comment? ;-) |
| 03:22.41 | geist | nothing is complete without irssi |
| 03:22.59 | bpadalino | sounds like bootie needs irssi |
| 03:23.28 | punzada | i've been using irssi in the terminal app |
| 03:23.34 | punzada | so happy with it |
| 03:23.47 | punzada | the fact i can irssi from my phone is amazing |
| 03:23.57 | punzada | i just need to set up bitlbee |
| 03:24.15 | rwhitby | punzada: that's what I will be packaging so that it can be installed using Preware |
| 03:24.23 | rwhitby | (irssi) |
| 03:24.30 | punzada | good stuff |
| 03:24.42 | Azalyn | rwhitby: i'm trying to donate through paypal, but the email mentioned in this thread doesn't seem to work http://forums.precentral.net/palm-general-chat/202126-rwhitby-needs-pre.html |
| 03:25.05 | rwhitby | Azalyn: rod-needs-a-pre@rwhitby.net should work fine. |
| 03:25.12 | rwhitby | oops, hang on. |
| 03:25.31 | rwhitby | that's "buy-rod-a-pre@rwhitby.net" |
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| 03:26.21 | punzada | i've been slowly forcing myself to know my way around the sdk and mojo, i'm failing pretty hard on it though |
| 03:27.08 | Azalyn | odd, it works now. maybe i mispasted it. |
| 03:27.59 | rwhitby | hmm - does anyone need perl support in irssi on the Pre? |
| 03:28.17 | sampson | that's what shells are for :P |
| 03:28.33 | sampson | although perl in general would be pretty cool on the pre if it could be integrated into apps |
| 03:28.35 | Azalyn | there, done. |
| 03:29.07 | gkatsev | rwhitby: doesnt irssi need perl to work? |
| 03:29.14 | sampson | only for scripts |
| 03:29.18 | rwhitby | gkatsev: dunno, I don't use irssi. |
| 03:29.24 | sampson | you can compile it without perl support |
| 03:29.41 | gkatsev | sampson: is there one like that? |
| 03:29.47 | rwhitby | sampson: yeah, that's why I'm asking. Perl is a big dependency for the Pre if you don't need it |
| 03:29.55 | gkatsev | rwhitby: i guess there should be irssi and irssi-lite? |
| 03:30.22 | sampson | you can configure irssi --with-perl=no |
| 03:30.25 | gkatsev | most irssi scripts are in perl, so would be useful to have it at least |
| 03:30.35 | rwhitby | so, who has alpha tested ipkgservice 0.9.0, and is it ready for the public feeds? |
| 03:30.41 | ashi__colo | I've got irssi on my pre. I haven't tried using scripts on it. |
| 03:30.44 | sampson | although yeah, scripts will be useless |
| 03:31.02 | ashi__colo | I used ipkg-opt install. |
| 03:31.26 | gkatsev | rwhitby: if you can do both irssi (with perl) and irssi-lite (without perl), would be best |
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| 03:31.48 | sampson | you can do --with-perl=module |
| 03:32.05 | sampson | but perl would be a pain to maintain... cpan relies on a lot of userland tools |
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| 03:33.05 | Azalyn | i would say that if you want perl on the pre, it might be a better idea to ssh to an actual machine |
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| 03:34.12 | rwhitby | Azalyn: perl is already available on the Pre |
| 03:34.34 | rwhitby | it's just not repackaged for the Preware feed with icon, description, etc. |
| 03:35.12 | Azalyn | *eventually* i imagine someone out there would make a webos frontend in html/css/js for an irc client backend running natively on the pre. which could integrate with notification (for /query ) and so on. |
| 03:35.27 | rwhitby | sampson: can you test readline and bash from the public feed for me to make sure they run on the Pre? |
| 03:35.48 | rwhitby | Azalyn: PuffTheMagic is working on that I believe. |
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| 03:38.41 | Azalyn | yeah, i might've heard about it i think. although i wasn't sure if he meant "service" as in the palm remote service thing or whatever.. or a local daemon/backend/etc. |
| 03:41.22 | Azalyn | or i probably don't know what i'm talking about. :| |
| 03:42.31 | Azalyn | i just read posts on forums talking about how mojo apps would have to work with services remotely or whatever. but now that i'm reading about it on palm's site, it doesn't sound anything like that. |
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| 03:43.54 | rwhitby | thinks that https://sites.google.com/a/dataliberation.org/www/home should be applied to homebrew submission sites too |
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| 03:47.08 | rwhitby | man, irssi has lots of deps. too many for a quick packaging today. |
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| 03:49.46 | Azalyn | for now i just wish there was at least one irc website using javascript that worked decently. |
| 03:49.53 | Azalyn | if at least mibbit worked |
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| 03:54.31 | DraX | Azalyn: mibbit doesn't work on the pre? |
| 03:55.15 | gkatsev | it does |
| 03:55.21 | gkatsev | it should |
| 03:55.26 | DraX | rwhitby: http://hg.suckless.org/ii/file/1584832e6f96 you could package up ii :D |
| 03:55.35 | DraX | yeah i can't think of any reason it wouldn't |
| 03:56.53 | Azalyn | hm |
| 03:57.51 | Azalyn | i had seen threads on forums of it being broken. |
| 03:58.22 | rwhitby | DraX: interesting |
| 03:58.40 | rwhitby | DraX: so could you use Internalz as the UI client for that? |
| 03:59.39 | DraX | rwhitby: i've never used ii, but presumebly so |
| 04:00.35 | DraX | rwhitby: i also presume you could use FileMgr service to write a crappy ui for it very quickly |
| 04:01.26 | rwhitby | DraX: it wasn't written by the Plan9 guys was it? |
| 04:01.46 | rwhitby | so, no alpha testing reports on ipkgservice 0.9.0 ? |
| 04:01.56 | DraX | rwhitby: it was written by the suckless guys, who are tangentially relted to the plan 9 guys |
| 04:02.06 | DraX | rwhitby: they did wmii, dwm, dmenu, etc |
| 04:02.23 | DraX | they actually have another irc client that's in pure plan 9 rc |
| 04:07.09 | DraX | want Pre! |
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| 04:10.10 | Azalyn | i just tried mibbit. i can't see the "go" button. :| |
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| 04:10.15 | Azalyn | and so i can't click on it |
| 04:10.43 | Azalyn | i'm not sure if there's a way to tab on the pre. :| |
| 04:10.52 | Azalyn | to try and select it even though i can't see it |
| 04:11.40 | rwhitby | geist: ping |
| 04:12.10 | rwhitby | geist: what would be the easiest way to use novacom to set an environment variable and immediately run a script that uses that var? |
| 04:12.22 | Azalyn | hitting enter in the text entry field doesn't work either. (works on desktop) |
| 04:12.38 | rwhitby | geist: does "FOO=bar ./script" work? |
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| 04:27.30 | geist | probably the best way would be to push a script and run it |
| 04:27.41 | geist | the VAR=blah syntax doesn't work, no |
| 04:27.46 | geist | though that would be a nice extension |
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| 04:36.58 | rwhitby | geist: I figured it out: "/bin/sh -c 'export FOO=bar ; ./script" |
| 04:37.08 | rwhitby | oops - add the trailing ' |
| 04:37.43 | geist | rwhitby: ah yeah |
| 04:38.03 | geist | and also put -- after novacom but before the args to make sure novacom itself doesn't parse it |
| 04:38.13 | geist | it's a getopt thing, says 'dont parse any more args' |
| 04:38.34 | rwhitby | geist: yep. this is in WebOS Quick Install, calling the runProgram Java interface |
| 04:38.43 | rwhitby | (which does that automagically) |
| 04:39.08 | rwhitby | we need to pass IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/var when running a postinst script which calls update-alternatives .... |
| 04:40.44 | rwhitby | so both dropbear and openssh have a shot at owning /opt/bin/scp depending on which you have installed |
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| 04:52.50 | rwhitby | Decimation: ping |
| 04:57.49 | oc80z | whats good |
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| 05:02.14 | rwhitby | oc80z: alpha testing of lots of stuff in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/ |
| 05:02.36 | egaudet | who has a mac? |
| 05:02.41 | egaudet | what is mac's scp alternative |
| 05:06.52 | jkc | mac osx is freebsd and runs scp |
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| 05:08.54 | Rick_Villarreal | help, trying to access linux on my pre. after running novaterm it is not asking me to log in |
| 05:10.05 | rwhitby | egaudet: scp runs fine on my mac here |
| 05:12.59 | egaudet | ok i've never used mac so i didn't know, but wanted to suggest a mac user what to use to copy files out of pre |
| 05:13.02 | egaudet | good to know thanks |
| 05:13.54 | egaudet | good night |
| 05:18.28 | gkatsev | destinal: does the terminal app have auditory/visual bells? |
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| 10:58.15 | rwhitby | starts http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=blob;f=README |
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| 11:40.11 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=blob;f=lunaservice.h <- anyone want to help? |
| 11:47.37 | tmzt | what is it? |
| 11:52.52 | rwhitby | tmzt: header files required for C services, clean room design from the open source C code that Palm has released. |
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| 12:30.13 | rwhitby | Optware packages announced: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/4003408022 |
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| 13:03.11 | sampson | rwhitby: do you still need me to test those? |
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| 13:04.05 | rwhitby | sampson: sure, except they've been renamed now, so you'll want to uninstall any existing ones, update to Package Manager 0.9.1 and reinstall from the new Optware feed (mobi.optware.* packages) |
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| 13:09.25 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 13:10.38 | sampson | was openssl/ssh/zlib updated? |
| 13:12.21 | sampson | you got an example binary on there i can use to test readline |
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| 13:31.58 | sportman | ah shit |
| 13:32.11 | sportman | the classrom im in is stuck on the border |
| 13:32.15 | sportman | or EV with sprint |
| 13:32.19 | sportman | at like 0 bars |
| 13:32.26 | sportman | and i know there are like 5 bars of vzw here |
| 13:32.30 | sportman | but its struggling to hold onto the ev |
| 13:32.45 | sampson | so do the force roaming tweak |
| 13:32.59 | sportman | i do enjoy the ev sometimes |
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| 13:33.15 | sportman | if there was a roaming evdo tweak id be happy :-p |
| 13:33.18 | sportman | fucken 1x |
| 13:46.19 | en0x | hmm wtf |
| 13:46.38 | en0x | i have all the feeds added to my preware and it shows that there is only 24 apps |
| 13:46.44 | tmzt | sportman: bash? |
| 13:47.38 | tmzt | is preware using .desktop files or something simliar for the enhanced metadata? |
| 13:47.52 | sportman | what about bash tmzt ? |
| 13:48.24 | tmzt | random binary for testing readline |
| 13:49.37 | sportman | ah |
| 13:49.38 | sportman | cool |
| 14:01.25 | sampson | the roaming tweak is 1x only? |
| 14:01.33 | sampson | that would explain why i couldn't get evdo off alltel |
| 14:16.10 | en0x | hmm |
| 14:16.15 | en0x | sprint changed their shit? |
| 14:16.16 | en0x | Please note: purchases from the App Catalog are offered and supported by Palm®. |
| 14:16.45 | en0x | when i login to sprint website it wants me to buy apps for pre |
| 14:16.46 | en0x | lol |
| 14:16.47 | en0x | Looking for digital media and applications for your Palm® Pre™? |
| 14:16.47 | en0x | It's easy to find applications, games and more for your Palm Pre. From your phone, just go to Launcher > App Catalog. Learn more... |
| 14:17.01 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: idk why you are mirroring the lunaheader im working on |
| 14:17.07 | PuffTheMagic | cause i keep adding to it |
| 14:17.18 | PuffTheMagic | so you prob have an outdated one there |
| 14:18.24 | en0x | oh sprint is hmmm |
| 14:18.40 | en0x | they moving everybody who is on everything data to new anytime anymobile |
| 14:18.55 | sampson | rwhitby went to sleep i believe PuffTheMagic |
| 14:20.18 | Rick_work | sampson, your everything data plan only covers 1x data when roaming, and only LIMITED amounts of that. |
| 14:21.44 | sampson | whaaaaaat |
| 14:21.55 | sampson | what happened to evdo roaming on alltel |
| 14:22.11 | sampson | that can't be right i roamed evdo fine on my blackberry |
| 14:24.42 | sampson | oh well sprint's going evdo by end of this month |
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| 14:55.50 | sportman | sampson: im not sure? i coudl have sworn all data roaming is 1x only |
| 14:56.10 | sportman | that you could only do evdo on sprints network? |
| 14:56.22 | sportman | cause on my vzw phone here i have 4 bars evdo |
| 14:56.32 | sportman | and on my pre i have 4 bars 1 x roaming |
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| 14:58.46 | Rick_work | Sprint's roaming agreements do not include evdo roaming as far as I understand. |
| 14:59.07 | Rick_work | A call to sprint support, escalated to second tier probably,should settle that. |
| 14:59.15 | sampson | verizon and sprint are 1x only |
| 14:59.24 | sampson | but us cellular & alltel have an evdo roaming agreement with sprint |
| 14:59.47 | sampson | this i'm 100% positive of |
| 15:01.01 | sportman | ah |
| 15:01.04 | sportman | cool |
| 15:01.16 | sportman | i dunno if the force prevents evdo on alltell or not |
| 15:04.25 | sportman | installs palm sdk |
| 15:04.26 | sportman | :-p |
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| 15:17.20 | sportman | i just got to root |
| 15:17.22 | sportman | on my mac |
| 15:17.22 | sportman | :) |
| 15:17.36 | sportman | i mean root on my pre from my mac ... how do i enable apt? |
| 15:17.39 | sportman | is that part of optware? |
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| 15:20.30 | sampson | apt? |
| 15:20.36 | sampson | you install preware & package manager |
| 15:20.48 | sampson | then you use preware to install apps |
| 15:23.01 | sportman | sampson: nvm |
| 15:23.19 | sportman | im looking to install debian |
| 15:23.21 | sportman | on the pre |
| 15:23.28 | sportman | i foudn the how to |
| 15:23.29 | sportman | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_install_Debian |
| 15:23.38 | sportman | thats how im gonna get apt working :) |
| 15:26.12 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: you can data roam off network |
| 15:26.19 | PuffTheMagic | that is included in most plans now |
| 15:26.45 | PuffTheMagic | i know i can data roam with out charge on sprint |
| 15:26.59 | en0x | preware is pissing me off |
| 15:27.17 | sportman | why so en0x ? |
| 15:27.55 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 15:27.55 | en0x | i had to reinstall it |
| 15:28.08 | en0x | and now it only shows 24 apps available |
| 15:28.08 | en0x | lol |
| 15:32.39 | en0x | available applications 23 |
| 15:32.43 | en0x | where is the rest :S |
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| 15:36.31 | Doc_exe | u forgot teh service |
| 15:36.37 | Doc_exe | that needs to run too |
| 15:36.43 | en0x | it is running |
| 15:36.55 | en0x | well there is no repo config to precentral in /var/etc/ipkg |
| 15:36.56 | en0x | hmm |
| 15:36.59 | Doc_exe | it likes to crash |
| 15:37.50 | en0x | i know its running |
| 15:37.53 | en0x | well in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst |
| 15:38.02 | en0x | there is nothing about precentral repo |
| 15:40.15 | en0x | root@castle:/var/etc/ipkg# cat precentral.conf |
| 15:40.16 | en0x | src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral |
| 15:40.19 | en0x | and now it looks ok |
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| 15:43.33 | can_ | how do i turn off dev mode after i enable it? |
| 15:44.17 | gkatsev | can_: by getting dev mode launcher or by entering the konami code by hand |
| 15:44.30 | gkatsev | can_: and then turning it off |
| 15:45.12 | sampson | now what would you gain running debian on an already linux phone |
| 15:46.07 | can_ | gkatsev: by just turning the screen off with the corner button? or pulling the battery? |
| 15:51.40 | gkatsev | can_: no, "then turning it off" i mean as in, switching the button that comes up to the off position, in which case it will ask you if you want to reset the phone, in which case you press yes. (reset == restart) |
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| 15:53.58 | can_ | gkatvsev: okay. phone works normally even when dev mode is on, correct? |
| 15:54.30 | gkatsev | yes, but it is slightly less secure |
| 15:54.36 | can_ | yeah |
| 15:55.05 | can_ | once i install sshd on it, do i need to leave dev mode on to ssh into it? I am guessing not. |
| 15:55.26 | gkatsev | nope |
| 16:00.23 | can_ | iam i the only one that finds only 3 launcher screens and no named categories very annoying? |
| 16:00.24 | can_ | ;) |
| 16:00.58 | gkatsev | can_: nope, but there is a patch that fixes it, the 3 launcher screens at least |
| 16:01.14 | gkatsev | can_: dont forget universal search |
| 16:02.50 | can_ | yeah yeah |
| 16:03.22 | can_ | i like things nice and neat and tidy and categorized, even so. |
| 16:04.06 | gkatsev | universal search is probably why the limited launcher to 3 pages at first |
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| 16:18.38 | xorg | how do I create a new topic in the wiki? I'd like to start a topic to remove the install app limit for the app catalog |
| 16:18.49 | xorg | i've started this precentral thread, would also like a wiki for it... |
| 16:18.56 | xorg | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/203168-removing-app-install-limit-app-catalog-research.html |
| 16:20.19 | gkatsev | xorg: there should be a a link to create a new page, you could also search for something and if it doesnt find it itll ask you if you want to create the page for it |
| 16:20.42 | xorg | thx, will try again... couldn't find it |
| 16:23.35 | xorg | i've added the new page, feel free to update info, formatting, etc. |
| 16:23.36 | xorg | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Removing_app_install_limit_in_App_Catalog |
| 16:23.59 | xorg | it needs a link from the internals or modifying core apps section |
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| 16:25.31 | xorg | if it's not Palm kosher, feel free to remove |
| 16:26.23 | gkatsev | im not a mod, but it seems fine, you didnt post any palm code, just discussion |
| 16:26.38 | zomg | There's a limit on how many apps you can install? o_O |
| 16:27.01 | PorkchopExpress | There is? |
| 16:27.12 | gkatsev | zomg: from the app catalog yes, both a memory limit and an artificial limit. preware does not have this problem |
| 16:27.12 | zomg | Well judging from what xorg asked.. |
| 16:27.26 | zomg | weird that there's an artificial limit |
| 16:27.37 | zomg | I'd see a memory limit reasonable if you're running out of space on the device |
| 16:28.08 | ashi__colo | I believe it was one of the limits imposed with the beta app catalogue. |
| 16:28.23 | ashi__colo | So, that should be removed by Palm pretty soon. |
| 16:28.50 | xorg | i've posted ideas, not very clean ideas but i could be a start to finding a solution |
| 16:28.59 | xorg | i=it |
| 16:29.48 | gkatsev | ashi__colo: we're hoping when it comes out of beta, the limit will be removed |
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| 16:30.15 | xorg | i hope so too but if it's going to be a while, i'd thought i'd share what i found so far |
| 16:30.20 | ashi__colo | gkatsev: yup, that's what I figured. |
| 16:30.27 | ashi__colo | xorg: thanks :) |
| 16:37.55 | PuffTheMagic | calling all json/js experts |
| 16:38.07 | PuffTheMagic | to forward slashes break string/keys |
| 16:38.24 | PuffTheMagic | {"/proc/loadaverage":[0.56,0.39,0.30]} |
| 16:38.27 | PuffTheMagic | like that |
| 16:38.31 | PuffTheMagic | will that key be an issue? |
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| 16:42.22 | v3ritas | Has anyone gotten the optware tar working? i installed it but it doesn't seem to have any more options than the default. |
| 16:43.30 | egaudet_zzz | no |
| 16:43.43 | egaudet_zzz | puff forward slash should be fine |
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| 17:06.24 | v3ritas | sorry to bother about this again, but i'm trying to get zip to backup the file system with: [[ zip -vr /media/internal/Backups/09-15-09.zip / -x "/proc/*" -x "/sys/*" -x "/media/internal/*" ]] Any reason why i would keep getting "zip warning: name not matched"? |
| 17:16.56 | sportman | ok so im trying to chroot |
| 17:16.57 | sportman | my pre |
| 17:17.03 | sportman | and im noticing that i need to do resizefs |
| 17:17.09 | sportman | im on mac, is there a way to do that? :) |
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| 17:18.25 | tmzt | compile e2tools? |
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| 17:19.01 | Mousey | wow, so |
| 17:19.03 | Mousey | hi! |
| 17:19.07 | Mousey | and wow! thanks! |
| 17:19.09 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 17:19.13 | Mousey | that is all.. |
| 17:19.15 | Mousey | lurks |
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| 17:27.11 | sportman | thanks tmzt |
| 17:34.21 | sportman | woo downloading dev tools |
| 17:34.25 | sportman | PITA :( |
| 17:35.48 | sportman | 2 minutes left :-p |
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| 17:43.20 | sportman | go go gadget install :-p |
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| 17:48.00 | can_ | hmm |
| 17:48.35 | can_ | so any micro usb cable works, even though sprint says they dont? |
| 17:49.49 | gkatsev | can_: theoretically, yes. practically, i dont know... |
| 17:50.22 | tmzt | the big news!! http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/14/palm-pixi-processor-chipset-specs-get-detailed-at-last/ |
| 17:50.27 | tmzt | it has two cores!!! |
| 17:50.33 | tmzt | ones a modem processor!!! |
| 17:50.45 | can_ | i bought the touchstone and it didnt come with its own cable :( |
| 17:51.56 | can_ | is there a way to run a shell right on the pre, without having to remote into it? |
| 17:52.15 | Robi_ | there is a terminal app |
| 17:52.19 | gkatsev | can_: yep. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 17:52.36 | Robi_ | there a preware installer yet? |
| 17:52.49 | can_ | cool! |
| 17:53.00 | can_ | gkatse: i was looknig at ajaxterm. this looks better. |
| 17:53.24 | oc80z | whats good. |
| 17:53.49 | oc80z | yeah, the terminal application is solid. |
| 17:54.01 | gkatsev | Robi_: yes, there is. terminal service and terminal |
| 17:54.24 | Robi_ | gkatsev: chicken and egg still i see |
| 17:54.33 | gkatsev | Robi_: ? |
| 17:55.37 | Robi_ | ppl w/o term/ssh enabled cant install $app, that preware installs, which needs same prerequisite |
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| 17:56.08 | gkatsev | Robi_: you can install preware via webos quick install |
| 17:56.36 | can_ | contemplates difference betweeen mojo and optware. |
| 17:56.43 | Robi_ | newbs wont choose that route |
| 17:56.59 | gkatsev | Robi_: webos quick install? they should. |
| 17:57.34 | Robi_ | too many techy steps as one user put it |
| 17:58.18 | gkatsev | well, you can install terminal from webos quick install as well, since it has the preware/webosinternals feeds |
| 18:00.07 | Robi_ | 'course, they'll wait till its all in one app ;-/ |
| 18:02.08 | egaudet_zzz | You can't install anything from a stock pre outside of the app catalog or via devmode+novacom |
| 18:03.00 | egaudet_zzz | And this will probably never change |
| 18:03.35 | egaudet_zzz | everything outside the app catalog is "beta/testing" software |
| 18:08.44 | xorg_ | i've posted a proposal to homebrew community to install apps in /media/internal... |
| 18:08.44 | xorg_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Proposal_to_install_Homebrew_apps_on_/media/internal_%28USB_partition%29 |
| 18:09.02 | xorg_ | please discuss pros and cons on that new page |
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| 18:12.04 | xorg_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Proposal_to_install_Homebrew_apps_on_/media/internal_%28USB_partition%29 |
| 18:17.01 | Templarian | xorg_: I like this, except for the path name. "apps" would be better. |
| 18:17.28 | Templarian | It's implied that palm apps are not going to be under internals. |
| 18:17.55 | xorg_ | yea, any name is fine, just want to propose putting it on that filesystem instead |
| 18:18.19 | Templarian | It might be better to have this an on off switch in the preferences. |
| 18:18.32 | Templarian | I wouldn't put it on by default. |
| 18:19.03 | Templarian | What tells the device what's the root? |
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| 18:19.36 | xorg_ | the app path is all that is needed to change in /etc/palm/luna.conf... i've tested it and it works |
| 18:20.11 | Templarian | No I mean, Is it possible to set the root of the file system to what one sees it under usb as the root? or is internals a seperate partition? |
| 18:20.20 | xorg_ | it's sort of a subset of this method... |
| 18:20.20 | xorg_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Modifying_a_Stock_App_While_Keeping_the_Original |
| 18:20.41 | xorg_ | ah, i see |
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| 18:20.54 | xorg_ | i wasn't proposing that detail, but it's an idea |
| 18:21.16 | xorg_ | was just thinking it would be an exposed folder on /media/internal |
| 18:21.18 | Templarian | It seems like a good "patch" for developers. |
| 18:21.30 | Templarian | Or a way to do a shorcut folder? |
| 18:21.56 | Templarian | Like a fake folder (not even sure if it's possible). |
| 18:22.21 | RainMan | hi i'm the only one with "JIT" debug messange on every input in novaterm ? |
| 18:22.28 | Templarian | (just throwing out ideas instead of throwing them into the internals folder) |
| 18:22.58 | Templarian | RainMan: ?? |
| 18:23.07 | RainMan | i can connect to my pre via novaterm |
| 18:23.15 | RainMan | but if i input a caracter |
| 18:23.23 | RainMan | i got a "jit" debugg message (just in time) |
| 18:23.30 | RainMan | on every f*** keypress |
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| 18:24.11 | Templarian | Oh yea, Windows 7 |
| 18:24.27 | Templarian | Yea, it's a bug that never got fixed. |
| 18:24.32 | RainMan | workaround ? or i'm screwd |
| 18:25.03 | Templarian | Not sure, we were going to look into it and everyone got distracted. I think you can just install optware and use ssh. |
| 18:25.10 | RainMan | it'S that or webosdoctor ... i cant login via ssh anymore ! ... damn update in preware |
| 18:25.59 | Templarian | Yea, not sure I don't do the technical stuff on my Pre, might have to wait for someone else to help out. |
| 18:27.31 | FreeTim | that happend to me too! I can no longer SSH in , after the PreWare install recently |
| 18:27.52 | RainMan | FreeTim it'S because i've updated the dropbear and openssh |
| 18:28.13 | RainMan | and i have custom config ... so my custom config got away !.. |
| 18:28.33 | RainMan | and if i log to port 22 ... it connect but " no authentification method" lol |
| 18:28.35 | Templarian | RainMan: wouldn't moving the file system for the services mess things up? |
| 18:29.13 | RainMan | nope working okay in the begining ! it'S after the preware update of dropbear and openssh |
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| 18:29.40 | RainMan | but i think i will doctor it ! and stay with the base setting |
| 18:29.46 | Templarian | RainMan: it could just be a bad update or change. Wait for rwhitby or one of them to look into it. |
| 18:29.55 | RainMan | kk |
| 18:30.16 | RainMan | at least the phone work #1 .. juste stuck out of it ! and i will not type all the cmd on the shell lol |
| 18:30.19 | Templarian | They've been making some changes recently that could of effected other small things by accident. |
| 18:30.33 | Templarian | Does terminal still work? |
| 18:30.38 | RainMan | yup |
| 18:30.45 | RainMan | it'S realy a firewall |
| 18:30.58 | RainMan | but my default shell in my pre is bash |
| 18:31.08 | RainMan | i will try sh instead |
| 18:31.09 | Templarian | Why do your s's keep going to caps? |
| 18:32.01 | RainMan | my left hand is faster that my right hand ! hehe |
| 18:32.09 | RainMan | left =s right = shift lol |
| 18:32.30 | Templarian | Why are you pressing shift at all? |
| 18:32.32 | Templarian | oh... |
| 18:32.43 | Templarian | lol yea that's messed up. |
| 18:37.08 | RainMan | well "No Supported authentication methods available" |
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| 19:21.01 | sampson | how can i grab an installed app from my pre |
| 19:21.11 | sampson | i want to poke around at an app |
| 19:23.32 | gkatsev | sampson: 1) you can view the source by sshing into it and then looking around. 2) if you unarchive an ipk and look around in that |
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| 19:24.11 | Rick_work | sampson do you have the IPK you installed from? |
| 19:24.21 | Rick_work | or do you want to look at one of the pre-installed apps? |
| 19:24.53 | sampson | i want to look at the accuweather app |
| 19:26.35 | Rick_work | k |
| 19:26.51 | Rick_work | the accuweather app is in /usr/palm/applications |
| 19:27.01 | Rick_work | no wait |
| 19:27.05 | Rick_work | that's an appstore app |
| 19:27.09 | sampson | yeah |
| 19:27.19 | Rick_work | its in /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 19:27.22 | Rick_work | go there |
| 19:27.23 | Rick_work | do an ls |
| 19:27.32 | sampson | ah cool |
| 19:27.35 | Rick_work | find the directory name for it -- pretendd it's xxxxx |
| 19:27.47 | Rick_work | and then cp xxxxx /media/internal |
| 19:28.06 | Rick_work | then you can plug the pre in as a USB drive and copy it off onto your PC. |
| 19:28.11 | sampson | cp -r :P |
| 19:28.16 | Rick_work | whatever |
| 19:28.30 | sampson | cool thanks |
| 19:28.35 | Rick_work | welcome |
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| 19:58.49 | sampson | wooha disabled the ad slider on accuweather |
| 19:59.22 | Templarian | sampson: your probably not the only one hehe. |
| 19:59.28 | sampson | :) |
| 20:00.31 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:01.38 | Templarian | Surprised no one has made a weather.com one. Their API is just a simple xml file if I recall. |
| 20:03.16 | gkatsev | wunderground FTW |
| 20:04.10 | can_ | sampson: sah, how hard is that to do? ;) |
| 20:04.37 | Templarian | can_: he probably just deleted the peice of code that performs the animation. |
| 20:04.40 | sampson | all i did was disable the animation and the ad request |
| 20:04.43 | sampson | yup |
| 20:04.56 | sampson | although i killed the ad request too i'm stuck in 1x land until next month |
| 20:05.02 | oil | all i did was step outside and look up to see how the weather was |
| 20:05.09 | can_ | is the little arrow on the left side still there? |
| 20:05.11 | sampson | that don't show you no radar |
| 20:05.14 | sampson | yeah can_ |
| 20:05.18 | oil | cares not about weather |
| 20:05.23 | sampson | can't slide anymore though |
| 20:05.42 | Templarian | http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=49009 << it's warm. |
| 20:05.48 | can_ | he arrow is annoying too though ;) |
| 20:06.03 | sampson | yeah but that's actual work |
| 20:06.06 | oil | http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=98902 |
| 20:06.11 | can_ | hehe |
| 20:06.30 | oil | someone should turn that into a weather app |
| 20:06.35 | oil | i might actually look at it |
| 20:06.54 | Templarian | that's my main weather button. |
| 20:07.54 | oil | goes back to work |
| 20:08.32 | sampson | same i got some dbs that aren't going to fix themselves |
| 20:09.57 | can_ | is there a facebook app coming? |
| 20:12.04 | sampson | yes |
| 20:12.10 | sampson | they announced that when they announced the pixie |
| 20:12.15 | sampson | who knows when but by xmas |
| 20:12.17 | Decimation | the zunehd looks SEXY |
| 20:12.28 | tmzt | it's Pixi |
| 20:12.57 | sampson | does anyone's radio on their phone go nuts when you're using novaterm |
| 20:13.32 | Templarian | Decimation: of course it's sexy it's such a small device, that battery is like 80% of it. lol. |
| 20:14.05 | Decimation | Templarian: lol, yeah. |
| 20:14.09 | Decimation | gonna get one? |
| 20:14.10 | can_ | sampson: when using x.facebook.com it just doesnt seem to have everything. like i cant seem to see replies to status messages, unless i am notr looking in the right place. |
| 20:14.26 | sampson | use friendsflowbeta |
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| 20:14.40 | sampson | it isn't fully integrated but it gives you those abilities |
| 20:15.03 | Azalyn | do all smartphones have a light sensor to turn off the screen (saving battery life) during a call? |
| 20:15.27 | Templarian | Decimation: probably not. I use pandora 100%. |
| 20:15.38 | can_ | thats a facebook app? |
| 20:15.41 | Azalyn | or is this just another really cool pre thing. |
| 20:15.43 | sampson | yes/no... they have auto shutoffs but pre uses a proximity sensor |
| 20:15.55 | sampson | it also disables the touch screen |
| 20:16.03 | Templarian | Decimation: Plus I'm going to end up just getting a Windows Mobile 7 phone eventually so not worth it. |
| 20:16.05 | sampson | most all winmo phones don't do that so you start cheek pressing apps |
| 20:16.32 | Azalyn | woah, proximity sensor. that is pretty cool |
| 20:16.47 | Decimation | Templarian: yeah, webos is nice, but windows mobile 7 for sure has me sold for my next phone |
| 20:16.49 | sampson | can_: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/friendsflow |
| 20:16.50 | Azalyn | i wonder what kind of neat apps you could make with that. heh |
| 20:17.12 | sampson | windows mobile 7 doesn't even have any info yet |
| 20:17.21 | sampson | microsoft is too busy pulling a vista with windows mobile 6.5 |
| 20:17.49 | Templarian | sampson: Yea, it's funny. That's why everyone is just waiting for windows movile 7. |
| 20:18.06 | Azalyn | poo > winmo |
| 20:18.09 | Templarian | Also the development tools are 500x better than any of it's competition. |
| 20:18.11 | sampson | i know that i will never own another htc winmo product |
| 20:18.24 | sampson | worst phones i've ever owned |
| 20:18.51 | Azalyn | i've never owned any, but i will never trust microsoft with anything, ever. |
| 20:18.51 | Decimation | oil: i like how preware is looking in the install scene |
| 20:18.54 | Templarian | sampson: 480x800 minimum resolution on all future devices is the best part. |
| 20:18.54 | Azalyn | especially my data. |
| 20:18.56 | Decimation | like, the spinning wheel |
| 20:19.01 | Decimation | and the launch icon |
| 20:19.34 | Azalyn | Templarian: that's going to make those phones more expensive. :\ |
| 20:19.37 | Templarian | Azalyn: That's worse than the people that think Google is Skynet (they are, but deal with it). |
| 20:19.52 | Azalyn | although arguably it will also drive economies of scale and make the screens *eventually* less expensive. |
| 20:19.54 | Templarian | Azalyn: if they give me the full .net framework so be it. |
| 20:20.35 | Azalyn | but if the industry wasn't so locked up with every played monopolizing their little corner, then competition would be driving the costs down anyways, without us needing to have one monopolist "decide" that a higher res will be the new standard. :| |
| 20:21.04 | Azalyn | Templarian: It has nothing to do with the capabilities they have. |
| 20:21.10 | Azalyn | It has to do with the reputation. |
| 20:21.15 | Templarian | Azalyn: the screens are cheap as hell anyway. It's the other chips that cost money. |
| 20:21.16 | sampson | tbqh the high res isn't that important due to pixel density |
| 20:21.18 | Azalyn | Google has more power information-wise than Microsoft |
| 20:21.23 | Azalyn | But I trust Microsoft less. |
| 20:21.30 | sampson | the touch pro is 640x480 and i noticed no extra realestate on it considering you're using such a small screen |
| 20:21.39 | sampson | it just makes widgest have to be 2x as big so you can navigate them |
| 20:21.55 | Templarian | sampson: that's just how HTC does their UI. |
| 20:22.04 | sampson | even in development Templarian |
| 20:22.15 | sampson | i've written a lot of .net apps for windows mobile |
| 20:22.27 | Azalyn | If Google ever *gives* me a reason not to trust them, then I wont. |
| 20:22.45 | Azalyn | even if you're willing to give a company three strikes/chances. |
| 20:23.06 | Azalyn | Microsoft has already exhausted all of theirs, no one should ever be doing business with them. |
| 20:23.27 | gkatsev | moanmyip.com |
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| 20:24.48 | sampson | you know looking at the snapshots of leaked wm7 crap |
| 20:24.51 | sampson | i'm still not impressed |
| 20:25.01 | sampson | it looks just as ugly as windows ce 2000 was but with shinier buttons |
| 20:25.23 | Templarian | sampson: there's a good chance that was just a skin of 6.5 and not windows mobile 7. |
| 20:25.40 | sampson | unless microsoft ditches CE entirely i have very very little hope |
| 20:25.46 | Templarian | One thing windows CE can do is be skinned in anyway they want. |
| 20:26.09 | sampson | sure but it still is the same laggy dated crap |
| 20:26.16 | Templarian | sampson: their new devices require a GPU also so expect it to be a complete recode of the UI. |
| 20:26.24 | sampson | resistive touch screens required in 6.5? |
| 20:26.28 | sampson | give me a fuckin break |
| 20:26.39 | Templarian | sampson: no 6.5 can use captive. |
| 20:26.51 | sampson | iirc they required resisitve with a windows key on each phone |
| 20:26.56 | krope32 | Hey I'm trying to remove a patch and I just have missed a step, i'm getting some errors about read only http://webos.pastebin.com/m1a53ad34 |
| 20:27.03 | sampson | this was around 6 or 7 months ago though so i could be wrong now |
| 20:27.04 | Templarian | I still prefer resistive. I really want the Storm 2's screen on every device. |
| 20:27.27 | gkatsev | krope32: mount -o remount,rw / ? |
| 20:28.36 | Templarian | Although if the Zune HD is any indication of Windows Mobile 7, I have a good feeling many will be going back. |
| 20:28.50 | krope32 | that was it :-) |
| 20:29.01 | gkatsev | MS should just make a zune phone |
| 20:29.02 | krope32 | thanks |
| 20:29.06 | gkatsev | np |
| 20:29.22 | Templarian | gkatsev: You know the Zune is just Windows CE right? |
| 20:29.30 | Templarian | (with XNA) |
| 20:29.34 | gkatsev | krope32: dont forget to mount -o remount,ro / afterwards |
| 20:29.51 | gkatsev | Templarian: nope, but the ui looks great and the software is good as well, so, why not? |
| 20:29.57 | krope32 | ok, i got that too, thanks |
| 20:30.00 | gkatsev | also, the hardware is great |
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| 20:31.03 | Decimation | yeah, this thing could be turned into a phone, no real effort at all |
| 20:31.21 | Templarian | gkatsev: Yea, that's kind of where Windows Mobile 7 is going. They require a GPU (thus tegra), and they require a min screen of 800x480 (or widescreen). It's not that big of a jump really. |
| 20:33.51 | gkatsev | ok, cool |
| 20:34.08 | tobybot | hello all |
| 20:34.45 | tobybot | anybody know off-hand if someone has undertaken some effort to allow removal of google talk contacts |
| 20:35.01 | sampson | how do i change the order apps show in my launcher? |
| 20:35.13 | gkatsev | sampson: press and hold till they get a halo |
| 20:35.43 | tobybot | i'd hate to waste time poking through code just to out it is impossible, if someone else has already determined this |
| 20:35.58 | tobybot | *to find out |
| 20:36.13 | sampson | was file coaster outdated by preware? |
| 20:36.40 | Decimation | sampson: a while ago :P |
| 20:36.44 | sampson | k |
| 20:36.52 | sampson | i just got my pre yesterday so i'm tryin to get up to speed :P |
| 20:37.04 | Azalyn | i got mine yesterday too |
| 20:37.06 | sampson | i got the oldschool treo ringtone on mine today \m/ |
| 20:37.09 | Decimation | ;) stick to preware |
| 20:37.16 | Decimation | i think im gonna go to the store and get a new one |
| 20:37.30 | gkatsev | preware is also opensource? while filecoaster isnt |
| 20:37.31 | Decimation | mine was one of the first built so the quality is horrible. |
| 20:37.49 | Decimation | and i have a dead pixel so theres my excuse |
| 20:37.57 | sampson | how the hell can a pre app not be opensource? |
| 20:38.02 | gkatsev | is there a way to find out when it was built? |
| 20:38.07 | tobybot | preware is nice, but it seems like package manager stops running all the time |
| 20:38.08 | sampson | you just go to where it was installed and you see everything |
| 20:38.55 | Decimation | gkatsev: yes |
| 20:39.06 | Decimation | tobybot: its never has for me.. |
| 20:39.09 | gkatsev | Decimation: how? |
| 20:39.10 | sampson | ##786# |
| 20:39.14 | Decimation | there ya go |
| 20:39.16 | Decimation | warrentydate |
| 20:39.17 | Decimation | or something |
| 20:39.39 | Decimation | WARRANTYDATECODE |
| 20:39.45 | Decimation | whats your gkatsev? |
| 20:39.46 | gkatsev | 6/18/09 |
| 20:39.52 | Decimation | 5/20/09 :P |
| 20:40.16 | sampson | 5/15/09 :P |
| 20:40.29 | Decimation | :O |
| 20:40.30 | Decimation | no way. |
| 20:40.35 | sampson | yaway |
| 20:40.37 | Mousey | toybot: about that, would restarting something with luna manager fix it instead of rebooting the whole phone when it happens? |
| 20:40.38 | gkatsev | lifecalls? lifetmr? |
| 20:40.47 | sampson | # of calls # of minutes used |
| 20:40.52 | Decimation | sampson: and your phone doesnt suck? |
| 20:41.01 | sampson | not as far as i can tell |
| 20:41.15 | sampson | define suck |
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| 20:41.15 | gkatsev | Mousey: in terminal you type "/sbin/start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" |
| 20:41.20 | Mousey | oh, and can ANYBODY PLEASE give me a lead on finding a generic jabber client? i see libpurple is probably in use, but i can't find an app which lets me specify my own jabber server =( |
| 20:41.28 | Mousey | gkatsev: THANK YOU |
| 20:41.30 | Mousey | makes note |
| 20:41.38 | Decimation | sampson: and gkatsev: go to ##786# and tell me want your HARDWARE REVISION is |
| 20:41.38 | tobybot | Mousey: distinctly possible, I ought to try it next time |
| 20:41.48 | Decimation | thrid item, under CONFIGURATION |
| 20:42.02 | Mousey | tobybot: i actually like gkatsev's better. i can write a script now =) |
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| 20:42.32 | gkatsev | Decimation: no such thing... |
| 20:42.32 | sampson | modemfirmwarerevision? |
| 20:42.41 | tobybot | Mousey: good call, I didn't see that. An "app" to reset luna might be handy, actually... |
| 20:42.45 | sampson | that's all i see |
| 20:42.49 | Azalyn | warantydatecode ? |
| 20:42.53 | Mousey | tobybot: luna manager |
| 20:42.54 | Decimation | gkatsev: hmm, maybe it only shows up in 1.2 |
| 20:43.09 | Mousey | would still like a nice jabber client =/ |
| 20:43.19 | FreeTim | well how much speed actually is gained by not restarting the whole phone. Not much? |
| 20:43.23 | gkatsev | there is modemfirmwareversion... |
| 20:43.30 | Azalyn | 08/11/2009 for me. |
| 20:43.51 | gkatsev | FreeTim: a lot... could take several minute for phone to restart. several seconds to type the start command |
| 20:44.26 | FreeTim | there is a 3-finger salute to reboot the phone... it's quick... |
| 20:44.30 | Azalyn | wow, so this phone is just a month and a few days old. |
| 20:44.34 | Azalyn | :O |
| 20:44.37 | Mousey | gkatsev: and even less to type a one word shell script |
| 20:44.40 | gkatsev | FreeTim: yes, but then it takes like 3 minutes to start up |
| 20:44.56 | FreeTim | gkatsev: That's true. |
| 20:45.05 | sampson | Azalyn: check and make sure yours doesn't have a refurbished date |
| 20:45.05 | Azalyn | i wonder if anyone's written an app to get the MSL |
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| 20:45.12 | sampson | my warranty date code is 4/1/2005 |
| 20:45.21 | gkatsev | but yes, i do use the 3 finger salute to restart if i need |
| 20:45.25 | Azalyn | sampson: the "reconddate" or something? |
| 20:45.30 | sampson | yeah |
| 20:45.31 | Azalyn | and "recondstatus" ? |
| 20:45.35 | sampson | yep |
| 20:45.37 | Azalyn | yeah, there's nothing |
| 20:45.46 | Azalyn | it says no. and the date is blank |
| 20:45.50 | Azalyn | like --/--/---- |
| 20:46.00 | gkatsev | yeah, it means your phone wasnt a refurb |
| 20:46.07 | tobybot | any of you dudes using the terminal app at all? is it worth it, or still too alpha for the casual developer? |
| 20:46.09 | gkatsev | s/refurb/reconditioned/ |
| 20:46.24 | tmzt | tobybot: if you want a unix shell |
| 20:46.46 | tobybot | tmzt: who doesn't like a nice unix shell :P |
| 20:47.04 | Decimation | gkatsev: see, i have a hardware revision slot... http://screensnapr.com/u/9elkwk.png |
| 20:47.21 | Azalyn | tobybot: casual developer? you're not going to be writing C in vi on your phone, are you? :) |
| 20:47.51 | gkatsev | Decimation: yep, must be a 1.2 thing, also, my config says sprint 1.7, so... |
| 20:47.55 | Mousey | tobybot: i use it to restart services |
| 20:47.57 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:48.05 | gkatsev | Azalyn: not vi, full fledged vim |
| 20:48.22 | gkatsev | Azalyn: hopefully they dont try to do it in emacs. youll break your hands |
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| 20:50.58 | Azalyn | someone the other day was asking how to type \ on the pre. |
| 20:51.01 | Azalyn | i didn't have one back then |
| 20:51.07 | Azalyn | but i found out by accident yesterday |
| 20:51.32 | Templarian | lol |
| 20:52.04 | Azalyn | at first i thought the orange key was only for the numbers, since they were orange. and that the 'sym' key was for shifting the others. but rather, orange shifts everything. |
| 20:52.17 | Azalyn | and sym with various keys gives you extra stuff. :O |
| 20:52.17 | tobybot | Azalyn: haha, that is far from casual. i'd use it just for little things -- pinging a site, renaming files stored on the pre, etc |
| 20:52.38 | gkatsev | sym in terminal is ctrl key |
| 20:52.39 | Templarian | Azalyn: yep, symbol + "/" |
| 20:52.43 | Azalyn | yeah but i wouldn't call "pinging a site" development |
| 20:54.00 | tobybot | Azalyn: no not at all. i was unclear: no development in the terminal app, but i am a "casual" developer and if the app is crash-all-the-time alpha, i'm unlikely to provide useful feedback on the project |
| 20:54.59 | Azalyn | tobybot: ah |
| 20:55.21 | Azalyn | gkatsev: oh.. hm.. that's tricky. |
| 20:55.47 | Azalyn | \ is needed in terminal sometimes, for escaping spaces and other special chars |
| 20:59.49 | Azalyn | you know, i ordered an "invisible shield", but i think i might pass on installing it. i didn't know the pre came with a soft pouch at the time. i think i'd rather just keep it in there. |
| 21:00.13 | tobybot | i'm still up in the air about any of that kind of thing |
| 21:00.28 | sampson | i have one of those on my centro |
| 21:00.30 | Azalyn | it also does a good job of wiping fingerprints off the pre on it's own. |
| 21:00.31 | sampson | they feel gummy as hell |
| 21:00.40 | gkatsev | Azalyn: if you keep your phone on vibrate you will never feel it if its in there, the pre's vibrate is soooooooo weak |
| 21:00.40 | tobybot | i don't like pouches etc, it's an extra step in getting it out of my pocket |
| 21:00.57 | gkatsev | my old phone had a good vibrate function, it actually fell from my desk several times, lol |
| 21:00.58 | Azalyn | gkatsev: i don't use vibrate often. |
| 21:01.04 | tobybot | and the full-body invisible shield is weird |
| 21:01.23 | gkatsev | i just got the pronged seidio holster and keep my pre in there |
| 21:01.25 | Azalyn | and there is a preware app i think that lets you tweak the vibration |
| 21:01.51 | gkatsev | there is? |
| 21:02.04 | gkatsev | checks |
| 21:02.12 | Azalyn | or.. maybe not. i think maybe it was on the "ideas" page |
| 21:02.39 | gkatsev | yeah, definitely theere |
| 21:02.50 | gkatsev | there is also a vibrate ringer switch app |
| 21:02.54 | gkatsev | but thats not useful |
| 21:04.50 | Azalyn | i just tried calling it while it was on vibrate. |
| 21:05.17 | Azalyn | was in my chest pocket. i did feel it.. but it was weak i guess. heh |
| 21:05.28 | gkatsev | also, the vibrate lasts for like a second and thats it |
| 21:05.40 | Azalyn | if i pressed it close to me though, i did feel it. |
| 21:05.42 | gkatsev | at least when its attached to my hip i feel it when its on vibrate |
| 21:06.54 | Azalyn | in any case this is probably a battery life issue. |
| 21:07.00 | Azalyn | not a hardware one. |
| 21:07.01 | tobybot | yeah |
| 21:07.29 | gkatsev | screw battery life, ive got two! |
| 21:07.39 | tobybot | haha |
| 21:08.00 | gkatsev | i got seidio's 1350 mAh and still have palms 1150mAh as backup |
| 21:08.35 | tobybot | can i ask what that seidio ran you |
| 21:08.37 | Azalyn | if i need vibrate i'll just hold it in my hand or keep it somewhere where i'll feel it for sure. |
| 21:09.07 | FreeTim | I've got the 19200 mAh solution. Comes with trail behind cart on wheels. Also, can start your truck! |
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| 21:09.33 | tobybot | lol, the battery backpack |
| 21:09.39 | Azalyn | I would like to see a comparison between the 1350mah (seidio) and the 1400mah (amzer) |
| 21:09.42 | Azalyn | to see which is best. |
| 21:10.11 | Azalyn | or maybe even some new company will come out with a higher capacity one. |
| 21:10.28 | Azalyn | (without adding thickness, like the seidio/amzer ones) |
| 21:10.36 | tobybot | poor, gimpy battery technology |
| 21:10.45 | gkatsev | tobybot: around 40 from precentral |
| 21:10.47 | tobybot | when do i get my tiny nuclear battery |
| 21:10.54 | tobybot | gkatsev: not bad! |
| 21:10.57 | tmzt | RTG? |
| 21:11.14 | gkatsev | tobybot: yep, especially since the palm battery is probably like 50 and has less juice |
| 21:11.15 | Azalyn | perhaps palm themselves will. i mean given how much they're charging right now for accessories.. i'd think they're already working on many newer accessories for the pre. heh |
| 21:11.25 | Azalyn | including a longer battery. |
| 21:11.45 | Azalyn | they just wanted to lower costs on the model that launched. |
| 21:11.57 | gkatsev | FreeTim: then the 3800mAh batteyr from azmer comes with its own selfpowered v8 engine car |
| 21:12.11 | gkatsev | s/batteyr/battery |
| 21:12.17 | gkatsev | meh! |
| 21:13.27 | tobybot | I have yet to look into how catastrophic the update to 1.2 is going to be for me |
| 21:13.43 | gkatsev | just disable all patches beforehand |
| 21:13.44 | Templarian | wonders what the hell energiser does for R&D. |
| 21:14.15 | tobybot | i did some manual "patching", heh |
| 21:15.12 | FreeTim | really really want a slightly larger battery, WITH the touchstone cover for charging it up. |
| 21:15.23 | tobybot | nothing i can't find, i think. if all else fails, i can just burn it to the ground with webosdoctor and begin anew |
| 21:16.11 | Azalyn | i wonder if someone will make a mouse applet. hehe use the camera to sense movement, and gesture area as L/R buttons, and center button between them. and up/down gesture as scrollwheel. :) |
| 21:16.18 | Azalyn | totally useless, but fun in a geeky way. |
| 21:17.43 | gkatsev | Azalyn: why not just use the touchscreen as a touchpad? |
| 21:17.57 | gkatsev | someone should port synergy to it |
| 21:18.12 | Azalyn | well, situations where you have no mouse are usually laptops. which have touchpads already. |
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| 21:18.48 | FreeTim | but, if it worked as a bluetooth mouse, you could control a powerPoint presentation with your Pre - COOL |
| 21:19.09 | Azalyn | :) |
| 21:19.19 | Decimation | lol |
| 21:19.22 | Decimation | im on the phone with palm |
| 21:19.31 | Decimation | and this lad doesnt knwo what a dead pixel is. |
| 21:19.35 | Azalyn | ask them for cookies |
| 21:19.44 | FreeTim | Come to think of it, we have a pc-remote homebrew, we can use for that |
| 21:19.54 | Azalyn | tell him it's a pixel that is dead. and ask him for some cookies. |
| 21:22.09 | Decimation | lol, they wanna take my phone for 5-7 days |
| 21:22.11 | Decimation | and leave me phoneless |
| 21:22.13 | Decimation | hell naw |
| 21:24.30 | Templarian | Explain to him what a dead pixel is? |
| 21:24.42 | Azalyn | you thought they would give you a new one? |
| 21:24.42 | Templarian | Or ask to talk with someone a bit smarter. |
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| 21:27.36 | Azalyn | Decimation: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/185290-possible-fix-dead-stuck-pixels.html |
| 21:27.39 | Azalyn | did you try this? |
| 21:27.50 | Azalyn | it might just be stuck |
| 21:27.52 | Azalyn | not dead |
| 21:29.23 | tobybot | he wants to exchange the whole phone |
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| 21:29.39 | tobybot | he was saying it's an early one and the build quality is iffy |
| 21:29.42 | Azalyn | they won't do that though. |
| 21:29.47 | tobybot | just sayin' |
| 21:30.05 | Azalyn | yeah i know. that's why i asked before if he thought they'd actually give a new phone |
| 21:30.38 | Decimation | Azalyn: well, i want a new phone |
| 21:30.44 | Decimation | so this is my excuse :P |
| 21:30.52 | Decimation | the build quality on mine is horrible. |
| 21:30.52 | Azalyn | i looked into the policies they have before buying. here in canada with bell, you have to buy a 140 dollar extended warranty for them to actually replace it. even then, it's bell that offers this, not palm. |
| 21:31.08 | Azalyn | but palm will never do that. |
| 21:31.11 | Decimation | Azalyn: yeah, called the sprint store |
| 21:31.19 | tobybot | that sucks |
| 21:31.21 | Decimation | they said yeah, they'll order one and call me tomorrow when its in |
| 21:31.23 | Azalyn | they will take your phone, and repair any issues, and run diagnostics to ensure it's fine. |
| 21:31.48 | tobybot | to improve phone sturdiness: wrap in duct tape, leaving a hole for the screen |
| 21:31.58 | Decimation | i said to the lady at palm |
| 21:32.01 | Decimation | i have a dead pixel |
| 21:32.02 | Decimation | she said |
| 21:32.10 | Decimation | okay, lets restart your phone, all problems should be fixed. |
| 21:32.38 | tobybot | hire cheap help, give them a flowchart, put them on the phones |
| 21:32.51 | Decimation | its embarrasing |
| 21:32.59 | Azalyn | even if the build quality is bad, a repair should fix any issues it has. build quality issues come from a factory not being perfectly tuned yet to manufacture the product. when a human repairs it and runs various diagnostics |
| 21:33.02 | Azalyn | it should be fine |
| 21:33.09 | tobybot | bottom-level support at any company will never help anyone but your grandmother resolve any problem ever |
| 21:33.31 | Decimation | Azalyn: im getting a new one, i told the guy that mine was built earlier, and he owned one, and said he was a member at precentral |
| 21:33.32 | Azalyn | in some cases better. since you have an experienced technician looking it over and making sure it's all in working order |
| 21:33.43 | Decimation | and i said |
| 21:33.56 | Decimation | well, you know the build quality has improved over time |
| 21:34.20 | Azalyn | yeah |
| 21:34.21 | Decimation | and he said, yeah, and all orders made give us phones manufactored august+ |
| 21:34.23 | Decimation | so im good. |
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| 22:07.20 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 22:13.14 | sportman | waves |
| 22:14.46 | rwhitby | so any outstanding problems from overnight? |
| 22:15.21 | Jack87 | yo |
| 22:19.36 | sportman | nope my cock went down eventually... |
| 22:19.45 | sportman | didnt reach the 4 hour mark, was gonna have to call a doctor |
| 22:19.57 | sportman | thank goodness |
| 22:21.34 | chrisa | How relevant |
| 22:21.43 | sportman | he asked about overnight problems... |
| 22:22.08 | rwhitby | sportman: not really appropriate for this channel, thanks. |
| 22:22.15 | Azalyn | :| |
| 22:22.43 | Azalyn | if at least it was funny... it could be forgiven. |
| 22:22.43 | sportman | a little humor doesn't hurt anybody, no intent on offending. |
| 22:22.51 | sportman | aww i tried to be funny :( |
| 22:23.25 | chrisa | It just reminded me that I'm far too old for this channel |
| 22:23.55 | sportman | no one is to old for dirty jokes... |
| 22:23.55 | Azalyn | http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/cmn05/failboat.jpg |
| 22:23.56 | Azalyn | :D |
| 22:24.06 | sportman | :D |
| 22:24.17 | rwhitby | sportman: no, but some are too young for it. we have minors in this channel. |
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| 22:24.48 | sportman | good point, i mis being a minor :( only 2 years ago |
| 22:24.57 | sportman | lol |
| 22:26.22 | gkatsev | haha, ditto |
| 22:26.24 | gkatsev | almost 3 for me |
| 22:26.54 | rwhitby | I believe our youngest regular here is 14, but there may be younger participants too. |
| 22:30.47 | freakout | I'm six |
| 22:30.48 | sportman | wow im getting dated |
| 22:30.54 | ashi__colo | is 40 |
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| 22:31.05 | DraX | omg, asl guys!! |
| 22:31.06 | DraX | :P |
| 22:31.08 | sportman | i can actually say phones like this werent even plausible when i was 13 |
| 22:31.10 | ashi__colo | lol |
| 22:31.12 | sportman | :( |
| 22:31.34 | sportman | lol, i was abit stupid with the pre |
| 22:31.34 | sportman | i dont wanna get rid of my vzw phone |
| 22:31.34 | sportman | so i got 2 phones now |
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| 22:31.44 | Decimation | you can run the pre on verizon! |
| 22:31.48 | sportman | my pre on sprint and my blackberry on vzw |
| 22:31.51 | sportman | oh really? |
| 22:31.58 | sportman | maybe ill cancel my contract and eat the cost of the phone |
| 22:31.58 | Decimation | sportman: im the youngest regular btw ;) |
| 22:31.59 | geist | get mor pre |
| 22:32.08 | sportman | and put the phone on vzw |
| 22:32.16 | sportman | how well does it work on vzw? data and phone calls both work? |
| 22:32.24 | gkatsev | Decimation: how old are you? 4? :) |
| 22:32.28 | Decimation | so ive been told |
| 22:32.37 | Decimation | there is a precentral thread on it |
| 22:32.39 | Azalyn | woah, the browser in 1.2 is going to get saving support according to this http://www.intomobile.com/2009/09/15/webos-1-2-arriving-september-24th-with-paid-apps.html |
| 22:32.41 | Decimation | check it out |
| 22:32.45 | sportman | can i have a link Decimation ? |
| 22:32.46 | sportman | :D |
| 22:33.11 | sportman | i wonder how much the phone costs if i cancel my contract and want to keep the phone |
| 22:33.12 | Decimation | sportman: precentral.net |
| 22:33.13 | Decimation | :P |
| 22:33.31 | Decimation | Azalyn: what do you mean saving support |
| 22:33.34 | Decimation | gkatsev: 14 :P |
| 22:33.34 | Azalyn | sportman: 3000 dollars maybe? :P |
| 22:33.45 | Azalyn | Decimation: the browser can't save files right now. like images. |
| 22:33.51 | sportman | prob around 500 |
| 22:33.55 | sportman | im guessing? |
| 22:33.55 | gkatsev | Azalyn: nope |
| 22:34.01 | Decimation | i can Azalyn, then again, im running 1.2 :P |
| 22:34.10 | gkatsev | canceling contract is 200 bucks |
| 22:34.22 | Azalyn | that doesn't make much sense. |
| 22:34.33 | sportman | gkatsev: i got the contract yesterday |
| 22:34.39 | sportman | i dont have to cancel it and pay a fee |
| 22:34.44 | gkatsev | sportman: then free, since you are within the 30 days |
| 22:34.47 | sportman | yea |
| 22:34.52 | Azalyn | you have to pay the full price of the phone if you cancel *and* the cancellation fee. |
| 22:34.54 | sportman | but im wondering how much if i wanted to keep the phone |
| 22:34.56 | sportman | yea |
| 22:35.00 | gkatsev | i remember i barely knew how work a compter when i was 14... |
| 22:35.11 | sportman | i wonder how much the full price is? |
| 22:35.15 | Azalyn | 600 dollars |
| 22:35.17 | Azalyn | :| |
| 22:35.19 | gkatsev | sportman: depends where you get it |
| 22:35.19 | sportman | ouch |
| 22:35.21 | gkatsev | amazon is 500 |
| 22:35.23 | Azalyn | give or take. |
| 22:35.27 | Decimation | gkatsev: i just know vb and some c++ |
| 22:35.30 | sportman | its almost worth it to freggin stay on and have 2 cell phoens |
| 22:35.35 | sportman | maybe ill just do that |
| 22:35.36 | Decimation | nothing amazing, hope to learn more though :) |
| 22:35.57 | Azalyn | over here bell's receipt for purchase says they get a 200 dollar "discount" from palm, and then bell gives you a 200 dollar discount as a result of the 3-year contract. |
| 22:36.03 | gkatsev | Decimation: read htdp.org or SICP, itll also help you with js |
| 22:36.22 | Decimation | rwhitby: gonna return my pre for a new one, this time ill doctor it :) |
| 22:36.27 | tmzt | htdp? |
| 22:36.37 | gkatsev | how to design programs |
| 22:38.23 | tmzt | ah, interesting |
| 22:38.24 | Azalyn | i wanted to download the linkedin app, but apparently 1.2 is adding linkedin support directly |
| 22:38.30 | tmzt | design patterns? |
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| 22:39.57 | rwhitby | gives a thumbs up to the Gang of Four book on design patterns. |
| 22:40.39 | gkatsev | anyway, heading home |
| 22:40.43 | gkatsev | -> home |
| 22:41.38 | Azalyn | man, i thought the unlocking channel would have more people. :| |
| 22:42.14 | Azalyn | was curious if there was an msl viewing app yet. |
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| 22:44.17 | sportman | so, is there a way to run linux apps and debian |
| 22:44.18 | sportman | on the pre |
| 22:44.22 | sportman | without killing lunar? |
| 22:44.52 | rwhitby | linux app that don't need the screen, yes. see optware. |
| 22:46.09 | sportman | well like im setting up debian to chroot |
| 22:46.13 | Azalyn | i wonder if it'd be possible to run an X11 implementation inside a plugin or something. then you'd have gtk or qt support. |
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| 22:46.34 | rwhitby | ones that do need the screen, take a look at the dfbadapter than ameng is working on |
| 22:46.54 | sportman | well like here |
| 22:46.55 | sportman | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Nintendo |
| 22:47.07 | sportman | they want you to kill LunaSysMgr |
| 22:47.14 | sportman | so that will kill my gui :/ |
| 22:47.15 | rwhitby | yep |
| 22:47.27 | sportman | which will kill phone functionality |
| 22:47.30 | sportman | :( |
| 22:47.39 | rwhitby | there is no current way. dfbadapter is the work in progress to enable it. |
| 22:47.44 | tmzt | no, at least it shouldn't |
| 22:47.52 | tmzt | well |
| 22:48.02 | tmzt | anyone have combined ps f and lsof for me? |
| 22:48.09 | Azalyn | wow. that is pretty cool though |
| 22:48.18 | Azalyn | the directfb adapter |
| 22:48.25 | sportman | my other wonder is, how would i go about accessing everything with the gui closed, does that mean id have to do everything through a computer to run the apps? |
| 22:48.39 | sportman | so in order to launch the nes emulator id have to do it from my computer |
| 22:48.59 | Azalyn | there's a terminal app |
| 22:49.13 | Azalyn | oh wait.. with luna closed |
| 22:49.38 | rwhitby | sportman: yes. |
| 22:49.50 | sportman | yea thats what clicked in my head Azalyn :D |
| 22:49.55 | sportman | alright cool rwhitby |
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| 22:50.26 | Azalyn | hm. figured it might just kill it and launch. and that then you'd have to reboot the phone or something |
| 22:50.31 | rwhitby | so has anyone alpha tested Preware 0.8.6 at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ ? |
| 22:50.45 | rwhitby | we need some alpha success reports before going public. |
| 22:51.08 | sportman | i can test later tonight |
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| 22:51.11 | sportman | once i finish this nes thing |
| 22:51.12 | sportman | :D |
| 22:51.58 | mrinehart93 | Hey guys I'm having trouble SSHing into my Palm Pre... I'm on 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate. Anything I try doesn't work... so is there anyone here that has a situation similar to mine? |
| 22:53.20 | Rick_work | lots of people have |
| 22:53.30 | Rick_work | did you follow the detailed instructions on the wiki for window 7 |
| 22:53.31 | Rick_work | ??? |
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| 23:12.04 | Robi_ | has anyone figured out a faster way to make a new cal entry other than thru the cal app? |
| 23:12.19 | Robi_ | and besides the google cal sync |
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| 23:12.50 | Robi_ | on palmOS this was so quick, in webOS it's 4-5 times slower |
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| 23:30.59 | sampson | what's new in terminal RainMan |
| 23:31.02 | sampson | er rwhitby |
| 23:31.14 | rwhitby | sampson: yep? |
| 23:31.21 | sampson | what's new in the terminal testing |
| 23:31.34 | rwhitby | nothing that I know of |
| 23:31.48 | sampson | i got reinstall all the optware packages because my profile path got screwed up and /opt/bin wasn't in it anymore |
| 23:36.30 | rwhitby | how did the path get screwed up? |
| 23:37.27 | sampson | no clue i was installing a bunch of crap last night and when i removed openssh before you had updated it i think it broke the path |
| 23:37.30 | sampson | that or terminal |
| 23:38.14 | rwhitby | the path should be done in /etc/profile.d/org.webosinternals.optware and no other package other than the Optware Bootstrap package touches that file. |
| 23:38.40 | rwhitby | if you remove the Optware Bootstrap package, then it's intentional that it removes that file. |
| 23:38.47 | sportman | so i heard there is a palm classic emulator? |
| 23:38.48 | sportman | :-p |
| 23:39.26 | rwhitby | sportman: that was announced weeks before the Pre was released. |
| 23:39.40 | sampson | for $30 |
| 23:39.43 | sportman | rwhitby: i havent been following pre stuff |
| 23:39.47 | sportman | i kinda baught it on a whim yesterday |
| 23:39.49 | sampson | unless you're a sperglord about your calendar or have an undying desire to play kyle's quest 2 there's not much worth to it |
| 23:40.19 | sampson | yay reinstalling everything fixed the path |
| 23:40.27 | tmzt | if dfb stuff works somebody could try POSE, not quite the integration but maybe an option? |
| 23:41.21 | sampson | terminal appears to be working fine from testing |
| 23:42.55 | Azalyn | hm, for the mojo sdk, do i have to install virtualbox-proprietary or can i use virtualbox-ose ? |
| 23:42.55 | sportman | ose i beileve |
| 23:43.43 | rwhitby | Azalyn: I believe either will work. |
| 23:45.05 | sportman | im using the oen they linked me to on their web site |
| 23:45.09 | sportman | which was a free download |
| 23:45.11 | sportman | so im assuming ose |
| 23:46.00 | Azalyn | "Note: If virtualbox-ose is installed (or suggested) instead of virtualbox-2.2, this is a sign that apt-get did not properly parse the packages from download.virtualbox.org and is instead trying to pull an old VirtualBox 1.5 binary from Ubuntu's own repositories. Make sure to register the repository key before doing the update." |
| 23:46.05 | Azalyn | I was curious because of that. |
| 23:46.14 | Azalyn | It seems old since they're talking about vbox 2.2 |
| 23:46.20 | Azalyn | even though they're up to 3.x now |
| 23:46.29 | Azalyn | But I just wanted to be sure. |
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| 23:57.41 | Decimation_ | my |
| 23:57.43 | Decimation_ | internet |
| 23:57.45 | Decimation_ | SUCKS |
