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| 00:32.10 | Abyssul | mmm quiet |
| 00:34.35 | Rick___ | lots of us are frantically gathering last minute stuff for PDC tommorow |
| 00:35.01 | Abyssul | Hehe im excited even though im not going |
| 00:35.16 | gkatsev | lol |
| 00:35.30 | Abyssul | It can only be good news :p |
| 00:44.51 | Abyssul | Hmm... im looking into thie new Longitude app, is it hard to make the website needed for it? |
| 00:47.24 | gkatsev | Abyssul: looks like they included a sample site for it, so, you could just copy and paste |
| 00:48.26 | Abyssul | so just create my own webserver (or register for one online) and create the webpage? |
| 00:48.58 | Abyssul | I really want to be able to track my phones GPS lol |
| 00:49.21 | gkatsev | yeah, something like that |
| 01:00.02 | egaudet | git add . added .gitignore |
| 01:00.15 | egaudet | how do i git-gtfo to .gitignore |
| 01:09.00 | egaudet | I want .gitignore to remain locally modified but don't went to commit it, yet it shows up when i do git commit |
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| 01:11.15 | egaudet | nm |
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| 01:26.06 | Niris777 | hello all |
| 01:26.28 | gkatsev | hello world |
| 01:26.39 | lunareclipse | hi |
| 01:26.56 | gkatsev | s/world/ Niris777/ |
| 01:27.16 | gkatsev | :D |
| 01:28.22 | Niris777 | :) |
| 01:28.39 | Niris777 | I'm having some issues with a patch.... :( |
| 01:29.30 | Niris777 | any1 that can help me? |
| 01:30.04 | gkatsev | Niris777: ask the question and someone will get around to it eventually. |
| 01:30.30 | Niris777 | oh, ok |
| 01:31.45 | Niris777 | well I'm trying to change the boot logo on my Pre ( I had previously done it, but I just did a restore with webos doc)and it just won't change like it did before. |
| 01:41.09 | Abyssul | You have to make an error somewhere |
| 01:41.42 | Abyssul | wow poor grammer there lol |
| 01:45.11 | Niris777 | hey thanks, but I was able to do it, still don't know what went wrong though.......sorry |
| 01:45.47 | Abyssul | Do you guys know if dophinking gets on IRC? |
| 01:55.36 | egaudet | Finding graphics is taking me forever :( |
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| 01:59.34 | bpadalino | use stick figures .. it works for xkcd |
| 02:00.14 | Abyssul | Ugh, creating this PHP website is a pain. I got everything working except that the location.dat won't upload from the Pre app |
| 02:02.02 | egaudet | :( hate being a GIMP noob |
| 02:04.33 | Rick___ | egaudet: what are you trying to make? |
| 02:05.16 | egaudet | a labyrinth board |
| 02:06.09 | egaudet | i have the raw basics of gameplay working, but it's just a stupid ball on a blank screen with square holes |
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| 02:06.30 | Rick___ | ahhhh |
| 02:06.32 | Rick___ | uh |
| 02:06.36 | Rick___ | want a hint? |
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| 02:07.08 | Rick___ | the person who posted an offer to do icons, does other graphics and he's VERY GOOD. |
| 02:08.37 | egaudet | link? |
| 02:10.46 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Once the .jar is in /usr/lib/luna/java and .service is in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services do I just restart the Pre and they'll start up automatically, or do I have to edit another system file? |
| 02:11.03 | egaudet | yes |
| 02:11.13 | egaudet | restart and they will start automatically |
| 02:11.18 | egaudet | you can then test by calling: |
| 02:11.39 | egaudet | /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://your.service.name/method {parameters} |
| 02:11.45 | egaudet | fill in your service name, method and parameters |
| 02:11.54 | ultraBlack | egaudet: righto |
| 02:14.56 | egaudet | i must be tired, i know i've seen that icons post before but im not finding it |
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| 02:17.51 | branded | quick question... i've seemed to lock myself out of dropbear ssh |
| 02:17.56 | bpadalino | whoops |
| 02:17.58 | ultraBlack | branded: novaproxy |
| 02:17.59 | branded | it's weird because i just changed the root password |
| 02:18.04 | branded | :) yea novaterm |
| 02:18.07 | ultraBlack | branded: novacom |
| 02:18.15 | branded | and it still doesn't let me in |
| 02:18.25 | ultraBlack | novacom -t open tty:// ? |
| 02:18.40 | Abyssul | Hehe, I use Trillian Astra too :0 |
| 02:18.52 | branded | as in, i now connect over ssh, enter the root i just set using novaterm, and i get invalid password |
| 02:18.59 | branded | does dropbear have it's own auth? |
| 02:19.20 | branded | hah |
| 02:19.34 | branded | shou;dn't that be that|drunk|dude? |
| 02:19.46 | ultraBlack | dropbear does have its own auth, i'm pretty sure |
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| 02:19.55 | branded | how does i change? |
| 02:20.06 | ultraBlack | i have no idea |
| 02:20.09 | bpadalino | branded, you need to setup your sshd to allow remote root sessions .. |
| 02:20.13 | bpadalino | or login as a user and use su/sudo .. |
| 02:20.21 | bpadalino | by default i am pretty sure remote root is disabled |
| 02:20.25 | branded | ahh that's right |
| 02:20.41 | branded | i remember doing that last time, when there wasn't this handy bash script |
| 02:20.54 | branded | (i know linux not well) |
| 02:21.01 | bpadalino | any time is a good time to learn :) |
| 02:21.05 | branded | true true |
| 02:21.10 | branded | i mean, i know it sort of |
| 02:21.16 | branded | but definitely not well |
| 02:21.27 | bpadalino | load up a VM and start playing with it |
| 02:21.30 | branded | i'll do that |
| 02:21.31 | bpadalino | it's pretty cool |
| 02:21.47 | branded | create a new user then permission it in sshd.conf? |
| 02:21.52 | branded | or something? |
| 02:21.59 | bpadalino | i think if you create a new user, it should be OK |
| 02:22.03 | bpadalino | and automatically allowed in |
| 02:22.16 | branded | ahh cool |
| 02:23.00 | branded | useradd ? |
| 02:23.04 | branded | correct? |
| 02:23.12 | branded | :D |
| 02:24.22 | bpadalino | not sure - it's adduser or useradd .. i forgot |
| 02:25.08 | branded | alright cool |
| 02:25.13 | branded | thanks for your help |
| 02:42.06 | james_ | anyone, any idea if/how you sync the palm pre with ubuntu? there is a palmos sync but i wonder if i sync ubuntu with webos |
| 02:42.47 | gkatsev | james_: what do you want to sync? |
| 02:43.23 | james_ | well for instance, if i check e-mail in evolution as it comes in, i will later open up my phone and have to delete the same emails that i have already deleted on evolution |
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| 02:48.38 | tmzt | james_: with imap |
| 02:48.40 | tmzt | ? |
| 02:48.52 | james_ | idk what imap is |
| 02:49.17 | gkatsev | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap |
| 02:49.24 | tmzt | it's a mail protocol that allows random remote access to your email |
| 02:49.37 | tmzt | so if you delete in evolution that affects what webOS client sees |
| 02:49.46 | james_ | that sounds perfect |
| 02:49.49 | james_ | thank you |
| 02:49.49 | gkatsev | and vice versa |
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| 02:51.39 | tmzt | james_: but what protocol does your email provider use? |
| 02:51.58 | james_ | it's gmail |
| 02:52.13 | james_ | it says it supports imap for free |
| 02:52.25 | tmzt | yes |
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| 02:52.47 | destinal | james_: gmail support is built in to the pre out of the box, just enter your email address |
| 02:52.52 | Decimation | hey guys, im back from my 1 week vacation :) |
| 02:53.39 | destinal | Decimation: who are you, again? |
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| 02:53.45 | Decimation | i was looking at that video recording info, pretty neat stuff... now just have it record on top of the camera preview and we are good. |
| 02:53.46 | destinal | :P j/k |
| 02:54.03 | Decimation | destinal: :P veryyyy funny.. :) |
| 02:54.09 | destinal | a week is forever here, we've all moved on to splitting the atom with our pre's |
| 02:54.24 | Decimation | lol, i believe it. |
| 02:54.32 | Decimation | ive been workin long days |
| 02:54.54 | Decimation | have had to wake up at 6 AM, then march with lunch/dinner breaks till 10 |
| 02:54.58 | james_ | destinal, oh i see |
| 02:55.01 | Decimation | band camp, its hard :P |
| 02:55.04 | james_ | i need to reconfigure evolution i think |
| 02:55.08 | james_ | with imap instead of pop |
| 02:55.35 | tmzt | yes |
| 02:55.39 | tmzt | that should be easy |
| 02:55.50 | james_ | thanks guys :) |
| 02:56.16 | Decimation | i was actually really pleased to see that while i was gone, with my filecoaster and preload, i was able to stay totally updated with new apps |
| 02:58.28 | destinal | Decimation: the miracles of modern technology and webos homebrew |
| 02:58.58 | Decimation | yeah, now all filecoaster needs is an option to list in order, according to last update, and show the version number |
| 02:59.07 | Decimation | categories can come later. |
| 02:59.10 | Abyssul | yep^ |
| 02:59.59 | destinal | Decimation: do all of them just use their own feeds at the moment? |
| 03:00.05 | gkatsev | search would be cool as well... |
| 03:00.37 | Decimation | i think he might actually just parse from the homebrew catalog precentral put up |
| 03:00.37 | james_ | my favorite part is the shaking to erase the text or paste it |
| 03:00.44 | james_ | that takes away a couple steps |
| 03:00.47 | james_ | and i like that |
| 03:00.54 | bpadalino | like an etch-a-sketch |
| 03:00.58 | destinal | Decimation: yeah, filecoaster uses precentral's feed |
| 03:01.11 | Decimation | james_: you have the updated version with the homebrew catalog, right? |
| 03:01.42 | branded | who wrote filecoaster? |
| 03:01.45 | james_ | Decimation, yes but i like to use it to download wallpapers too |
| 03:01.50 | Decimation | pregame i think? |
| 03:01.57 | branded | how 'bout some alphabetizing up in that? |
| 03:01.59 | branded | word |
| 03:02.00 | james_ | pregame has made my two favorite apps |
| 03:02.06 | james_ | filecoaster and flashlight |
| 03:02.09 | Decimation | james_: ahh, maybe he will add that in sometime. |
| 03:02.19 | james_ | Decimation, add what? |
| 03:02.22 | james_ | you can already shake it |
| 03:02.23 | Decimation | i want mytether 2.0 but i dont have money to give, it sucks :/ |
| 03:02.45 | branded | how much is it? |
| 03:02.48 | Decimation | no, add in the ability to browse through a category of wallpapers |
| 03:02.55 | james_ | ah |
| 03:02.58 | Decimation | i think you have to give a ten dollar donation. |
| 03:02.58 | james_ | yeah that'd be cool |
| 03:03.31 | Decimation | im looking at the video camera, it cant be hard to modify the camera app to allow you to press a button to record video |
| 03:03.42 | Decimation | like, just modify like they did with the shutter sound on/off |
| 03:03.45 | bpadalino | someone else was looking at that as ell |
| 03:03.51 | Decimation | and instead of toggling the sound, start/stop the camera. |
| 03:04.19 | Abyssul | I want to expand on the GPS tracking ability of the Pre. Knowing where your Pre is is most important :p |
| 03:04.22 | Decimation | gosh, im honestly way to lazy, i really need to learn my javascript soon. |
| 03:05.14 | bpadalino | Decimation: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/VideoRecording |
| 03:05.28 | Decimation | looking at it already |
| 03:05.34 | ultraBlack | How would I create a ServiceMessage for the import package com.palm.luna.service.ServiceMessage? |
| 03:05.35 | bpadalino | oh ok |
| 03:05.48 | Decimation | but i think im gonna expierement with adding a record button to the camera. |
| 03:05.56 | ultraBlack | Is there a place I can look to see the blueprint for a ServiceMessage object? |
| 03:06.46 | tmzt | bluetprint? |
| 03:06.53 | tmzt | like signature? |
| 03:06.59 | ultraBlack | Structure, etc.... |
| 03:07.03 | tmzt | you can get those with dbus introspection |
| 03:09.44 | ultraBlack | Okay, I don't know what that is, so let me explain. I'm trying to call a method luna-send and it wants a ServiceMessage for a parameter. |
| 03:10.08 | ultraBlack | A method of a service FROM luna-send is what I meant to say |
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| 03:10.24 | bpadalino | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send |
| 03:11.29 | ultraBlack | That doesn't seem to talk about accessing a services' methods |
| 03:11.43 | bpadalino | that com.palm.whatever/methodname |
| 03:11.44 | ultraBlack | Well, it does but |
| 03:11.46 | bpadalino | that's the method |
| 03:11.52 | ultraBlack | Not for a ServiceMethod object |
| 03:11.57 | bpadalino | oh |
| 03:11.58 | james_ | i love my phone |
| 03:12.11 | ultraBlack | I don't understand what to use as a parameter |
| 03:12.27 | bpadalino | so you need the method parameters ? |
| 03:12.40 | ultraBlack | I need to know how to pass a ServiceMethod object to a method that asks for one |
| 03:13.11 | bpadalino | good question |
| 03:13.27 | ultraBlack | rwhitby should know, he wrote the code |
| 03:13.40 | bpadalino | he's a pretty smart guy |
| 03:13.53 | ultraBlack | http://webos.pastebin.com/m2adcb779 |
| 03:13.57 | destinal | ultraBlack: which code? |
| 03:13.58 | ultraBlack | But he's not here |
| 03:14.02 | ultraBlack | destinal: http://webos.pastebin.com/m2adcb779 |
| 03:14.17 | branded | alright... i'm buying my tether |
| 03:14.20 | branded | :) |
| 03:15.59 | destinal | ultraBlack: there's lots of examples of calling services in the mojo code that comes on the pre, just grep for palm:// |
| 03:16.08 | destinal | but there's docs on palm's sdk site too |
| 03:16.09 | destinal | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?view=article&id=1538 |
| 03:16.20 | branded | who else wanted my tether? |
| 03:16.25 | branded | i want to give the guy $20 |
| 03:16.56 | ultraBlack | i do |
| 03:17.04 | branded | Decimation: I will buy you my tether |
| 03:17.16 | Decimation | :O |
| 03:17.21 | Decimation | i will |
| 03:17.25 | Decimation | love you |
| 03:17.26 | Decimation | forever |
| 03:17.29 | branded | hah |
| 03:17.34 | Decimation | you dont have to though. |
| 03:17.36 | branded | sorry ultrablack, he mentioned it before |
| 03:17.42 | ultraBlack | its k |
| 03:17.48 | ultraBlack | i have work to do |
| 03:17.52 | Decimation | so how are we gonna do this |
| 03:17.59 | branded | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.03 | branded | simple |
| 03:19.23 | ultraBlack | destinal: How would you write /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/ |
| 03:19.23 | ultraBlack | mount <insert parameter here> to get it to work with that pastebin |
| 03:19.52 | ultraBlack | that's /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/mount <ServiceMethod obj here> |
| 03:20.07 | ultraBlack | I'm just using luna send to test for now. |
| 03:20.14 | destinal | ultraBlack: so it works in luna send? |
| 03:20.18 | ultraBlack | I'll use the this.controller.serviceRequest in my app |
| 03:20.31 | ultraBlack | destinal: that's what egaudet said |
| 03:20.58 | ultraBlack | destinal: edgaudet said to use luna-send to call the method |
| 03:24.30 | Decimation | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Email_DeleteAll |
| 03:24.37 | Decimation | has anyone done that |
| 03:24.44 | Decimation | if so, can i see a screen shot of how it looks |
| 03:25.07 | destinal | ultraBlack: I mean, where you able to get luna-send to mount and unmount as a test? |
| 03:25.17 | destinal | s/whe/we/ |
| 03:27.13 | egaudet | /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/mount {} |
| 03:27.16 | egaudet | as root |
| 03:27.19 | ultraBlack | destinal: No, for one, I wouldn't expect it to mount and unmount straight await, seeing as dropbear / openssh is running. But what it does do is go to what looks to be an infinite loop of nothingness, that is, the command is entered (i press enter), a new line shows up in the ssh terminal, and no messages are output, despite what parameter i give it (I tried with and without quotes) |
| 03:27.33 | ultraBlack | egaudet: that explains it. i need brackets. :o |
| 03:27.58 | ultraBlack | Actually... |
| 03:28.05 | ultraBlack | I did get an error message like this before |
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| 03:28.09 | ultraBlack | This is what I'm getting now: |
| 03:28.10 | ultraBlack | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"} |
| 03:28.27 | ultraBlack | Could that be good, considering I don't expect it to succeed? |
| 03:28.42 | egaudet | does it return error right away or does it take a couple seconds |
| 03:28.43 | destinal | odd, zero usually means success for most error codes |
| 03:28.47 | ultraBlack | The code isn't written for success yet. I need to have it kill processes running from the mount point |
| 03:29.02 | ultraBlack | egaudet: It takes a couple seconds |
| 03:29.23 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Like 10 or 15 |
| 03:29.29 | ultraBlack | or 20 |
| 03:30.22 | egaudet | Ok so that is good in the sense that it is running the service, so it's having trouble finding the method in the jar or the method is running but not doing what you want |
| 03:31.06 | ultraBlack | egaudet: It would make sense for the method to not do what I want, because it isn't written to do what the end user will want. |
| 03:31.10 | ultraBlack | egaudet: It's written to fail. |
| 03:31.45 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Dropbear/OpenSSH is running (in fact I'm executing luna-send from it) and is preventing the dismount. And if it's already mounted, it would probably give an error upon trying to remount. |
| 03:32.17 | ultraBlack | I can't see why it couldn't find the method in the .jar. I put it where you said to, and everything compiled smoothly earlier. |
| 03:32.32 | egaudet | what are you trying to dismount |
| 03:32.41 | ultraBlack | egaudet: /opt. |
| 03:32.54 | ultraBlack | egaudet: It's a virtual file system now. |
| 03:33.01 | ultraBlack | On loopback. |
| 03:33.06 | egaudet | why do you want to dismount?... anyway, what is the service file look like |
| 03:33.08 | egaudet | s/is/does |
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| 03:33.32 | ultraBlack | [D-BUS Service] |
| 03:33.32 | ultraBlack | Name=org.webosinternals.optloopservice |
| 03:33.32 | ultraBlack | Exec=/usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice","className":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice.OptLoopService"}' |
| 03:33.38 | egaudet | and has one messed with the display services? |
| 03:33.58 | ultraBlack | Display services? |
| 03:34.05 | branded | who wrote novaterm? |
| 03:34.15 | branded | give me the source, i can't take it |
| 03:34.17 | egaudet | ok so you have org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class jar'd up |
| 03:34.17 | branded | :D |
| 03:34.29 | ultraBlack | egaudet: yeah |
| 03:34.36 | Templarian | ultraBlack: if you saw earlier I fixed the tux template. |
| 03:34.45 | ultraBlack | Templarian: Fixed? |
| 03:34.50 | ultraBlack | Templarian: I fixed it last night |
| 03:35.02 | egaudet | for sanity reasons, i put a simple version() function in the java |
| 03:35.04 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Note: the vfs is in /media/internal |
| 03:35.13 | egaudet | so you can run the luna-send.... /version {} and see activity |
| 03:35.19 | ultraBlack | egaudet: yeah i'll do that, lol. |
| 03:35.28 | Templarian | ultraBlack: no you had a huge typo... in the template. |
| 03:35.35 | ultraBlack | templarian: :o |
| 03:35.58 | Templarian | It's okay no one noticed and I went through and added the tux template back into random pages. |
| 03:36.14 | ultraBlack | oh 64x64 |
| 03:36.18 | ultraBlack | sry |
| 03:36.22 | ultraBlack | wait what |
| 03:36.36 | Templarian | No you only copied part of the template when you pasted it. |
| 03:36.53 | Templarian | I'm supprised you didn't realise it when you tried to use it hehe. |
| 03:37.01 | egaudet | anyone know why i can't control the display (turn it on) from the shell |
| 03:37.08 | egaudet | anyone mess with the display services yet? |
| 03:37.26 | ultraBlack | Templarian: Is that why I was getting #icon php errors? |
| 03:37.47 | Templarian | (oh you saw those also hehe) |
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| 03:38.46 | rwhitby | I noticed the missing icons, but was too polite to mention :-) |
| 03:44.44 | egaudet | has anyone found the source for the display service com.palm.display |
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| 03:46.33 | ultraBlack | egaudet: What should I put in version()? Would a system.out.println("you win"); do? |
| 03:47.29 | egaudet | i don't know about that, you can just return a JSON |
| 03:47.35 | egaudet | check version() from accelservice or ledservice |
| 03:48.16 | egaudet | for instance i return the JSON {version:0.0.3} which you see from the command line after running luna-send |
| 03:49.09 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Nope the version method did not work. I got the same long pause followed by the same error message. |
| 03:49.44 | ultraBlack | egaudet: I don't think I have either of those services on my pre yet |
| 03:49.53 | egaudet | did you rebuild, reinstall jar, reboot |
| 03:49.56 | ultraBlack | they're built in? |
| 03:50.00 | ultraBlack | i thought those were homebrew |
| 03:50.07 | ultraBlack | egaudet: yeah i did |
| 03:50.07 | egaudet | they are on the ipkg feed |
| 03:50.19 | ultraBlack | i guess i'll have to download & try them out |
| 03:50.26 | egaudet | you can use ipkg to install the services, then have to remount rw and run postinst script to get it linked in |
| 03:50.44 | ultraBlack | how do i run postinst? |
| 03:50.51 | ultraBlack | it's just a .sh? |
| 03:51.18 | egaudet | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AccelService |
| 03:51.22 | egaudet | yea it is just a .sh |
| 03:51.32 | egaudet | /bin/sh ../whatever/service.postinst |
| 03:51.45 | egaudet | you have to have / remounted as rw |
| 03:51.51 | ultraBlack | ipkg, or git? |
| 03:52.07 | egaudet | ipkg to install it on the pre |
| 03:52.12 | egaudet | ipkg -o /var update |
| 03:52.27 | ultraBlack | oh i was trying ipkg-opt |
| 03:52.30 | egaudet | ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.accelservice |
| 03:52.52 | ultraBlack | Cannot find package org.webosinternals.accelservice. |
| 03:53.07 | egaudet | did you run the previos steps from the wiki |
| 03:53.43 | ultraBlack | nope, those instructions are all new to me |
| 03:53.44 | egaudet | to get the preware feed visible to ipkg |
| 03:54.21 | egaudet | ok well do them, and in the future you can just use ipkg to install anything from preware feed |
| 03:54.47 | ultraBlack | sweet |
| 03:55.45 | rwhitby | (hint: check the http directory one above the preware feeds for an easter egg) |
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| 03:57.02 | ultraBlack | http://gitorious.org/webos-applications/? |
| 03:57.22 | rwhitby | nope, the preware feed, not the git repo |
| 03:57.33 | ultraBlack | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/? |
| 03:57.43 | Rick___ | ipkg.preware.org/feed |
| 03:57.46 | ultraBlack | What is preware! lol |
| 03:57.48 | ultraBlack | oh preware.org |
| 03:57.58 | ultraBlack | never been there |
| 03:58.34 | ultraBlack | ipkg.preware.org/feed |
| 03:58.47 | ultraBlack | i don't see the easter bunny |
| 03:59.13 | egaudet | ipkg.preware.org |
| 03:59.38 | ultraBlack | yeah, i get that |
| 03:59.53 | egaudet | Smooth as butter rolling ball into a hole labyrinth beginning game pushed |
| 03:59.57 | egaudet | i quit on graphics for today |
| 04:00.24 | ultraBlack | then maybe you can help me understand what's going on |
| 04:00.28 | egaudet | sure |
| 04:00.40 | egaudet | and hopefully I can find out how to unlock the power of the display dimm/off |
| 04:00.49 | egaudet | palm got some kind of protection on it |
| 04:01.57 | ultraBlack | look @ brightness unlinked? |
| 04:02.34 | egaudet | link |
| 04:02.39 | ultraBlack | sec |
| 04:03.02 | ultraBlack | egaudet: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/196412-brightness-unlinked.html |
| 04:04.12 | ultraBlack | egaudet: luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.accelservice/version {} does the same |
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| 04:04.52 | ultraBlack | Actually maybe I need to reboot |
| 04:05.03 | ultraBlack | though, it seems fishy |
| 04:05.47 | killakiz | does onClick work for mojo |
| 04:05.47 | rwhitby | services require pretty much a reboot when you change them |
| 04:05.48 | killakiz | or |
| 04:06.01 | killakiz | as a finger tap |
| 04:06.10 | killakiz | or do i have to use something else |
| 04:07.15 | killakiz | my code work in aptana using default |
| 04:07.27 | killakiz | but when i try in on the emulator or device it doesnt calculate |
| 04:07.45 | killakiz | sorry |
| 04:07.50 | rwhitby | egaudet: new app? |
| 04:07.51 | killakiz | in wrong channel i see |
| 04:07.58 | rwhitby | egaudet: want me to package it? |
| 04:08.03 | egaudet | hmmmmm so not all services accessible through dbus? |
| 04:08.07 | egaudet | luna-send? |
| 04:08.15 | egaudet | yea new app, don't package it yet |
| 04:08.17 | egaudet | it's very raw |
| 04:08.36 | rwhitby | ok |
| 04:08.47 | egaudet | no graphics, no levels, but the ball rolls smooth with the accelerometer running at 1KHZ |
| 04:09.01 | ultraBlack | Alright, I got |
| 04:09.02 | ultraBlack | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {version:"0.0.3"} |
| 04:09.02 | ultraBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.08 | egaudet | yea ultraBlack |
| 04:09.10 | egaudet | works |
| 04:09.18 | ultraBlack | Thought so myself. |
| 04:09.47 | ultraBlack | So...how does your version() work? Care to fill me in? |
| 04:09.50 | ultraBlack | Returns a JSONObject? |
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| 04:12.02 | ultraBlack | I feel that my (rwhitby-written) service is misconfigured. |
| 04:12.26 | destinal | ultraBlack: so learn some java and improve it! :) |
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| 04:12.42 | destinal | cpcrook: fios? |
| 04:12.43 | destinal | is jealous |
| 04:12.45 | cpcrook | indeed |
| 04:12.47 | ultraBlack | destinal: I don't think it's the java, though |
| 04:12.48 | egaudet | source is open, but yes it fills a JSON in and returns it |
| 04:12.58 | cpcrook | overkill for IRC though ;) |
| 04:13.36 | egaudet | grrr why can't i use the display service with luna-send |
| 04:13.53 | ultraBlack | Launch helper exited with unknown return code ? I mean what does that mean |
| 04:14.20 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Does version() need a @LunaServiceThread.PublicMethod? |
| 04:14.29 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Or can it be public in .java |
| 04:14.38 | egaudet | yes, any service method must |
| 04:14.41 | ultraBlack | ok |
| 04:14.55 | egaudet | (i think) |
| 04:15.04 | egaudet | you can do a direct copy of my version into your java |
| 04:15.12 | egaudet | (don't forgot global myVersion string) |
| 04:15.19 | egaudet | and test your service |
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| 04:36.50 | ultraBlack | egaudet: I copied the version() from your accelservice and I still get the same error. |
| 04:37.08 | ultraBlack | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"} |
| 04:37.23 | egaudet | rebooted? |
| 04:37.29 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Yup. |
| 04:38.01 | egaudet | how are you building it? |
| 04:38.20 | ultraBlack | javac -classpath json.jar;lunaservice.jar;serviceframework.jar;Utils.jar OptLoopService.java |
| 04:38.37 | ultraBlack | jar cf org.webosinternals.optloopservice.jar OptLoopService.class |
| 04:39.26 | ultraBlack | This is my .java file: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1933cc3f |
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| 04:39.52 | imop45 | Hi all. |
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| 04:40.31 | imop45 | My pre's screen has just cracked but have read tht its pprobably a defect. |
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| 04:41.10 | imop45 | So going to send it in to palm. My question is... should i erase everything so they know i didnt root my pre? |
| 04:41.21 | egaudet | try using ant to build it? do you need OptLoopService() to be public |
| 04:41.38 | ultraBlack | imop45: My side's been cracked about an inch and diverted itself from the touchscreen. Been like that since a week after launch. |
| 04:42.17 | imop45 | Well, i cant use it. It dropped but not the high off the ground and ive never had a phone's screen break. |
| 04:42.29 | ultraBlack | imop45: mm.. |
| 04:42.41 | cpcrook | i returned a pre with a broken volume switch and only did the full erase option (no webosdoc) |
| 04:42.49 | imop45 | I had a v3 razor drop off a 2 story building onto a parking lot and nothing. |
| 04:42.59 | rwhitby | imop45: you should webos doctor it, for your own privacy's sake. |
| 04:43.02 | ultraBlack | egaudet: I don't know how to use Ant, but I know I can get it installed. I installed it just a few days ago and it seemed to work. What do you mean by having OptLoopService() public? |
| 04:43.24 | egaudet | i dont see myVersion declared |
| 04:43.26 | imop45 | Well, i was going to try the palm profile OTA erase feature. See how that works |
| 04:43.43 | egaudet | why do you need the constructor? |
| 04:43.44 | ultraBlack | egaudet: private String myVersion = "0.0.3"; towards the end |
| 04:43.46 | cpcrook | i dont think they'll care about software modifications as long as your return reason isnt related to something that could have been caused by it (ie: burning out your flash by running the torch too long) |
| 04:43.46 | rwhitby | imop45: palm already knows who has and hasn't installed dropbear on their pre, cause they get a ps listing every time one of your apps crash. |
| 04:43.54 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Right before DBUS Methods |
| 04:44.11 | rwhitby | (along with the nearest wifi ssid's to you) |
| 04:44.18 | ultraBlack | rwhitby: Why do I need the constructor? |
| 04:44.28 | egaudet | oh yea sorry, lol it's getting lat |
| 04:44.30 | egaudet | late* |
| 04:44.54 | egaudet | I think it has to be build related (i.e. METAINF) |
| 04:44.56 | imop45 | Hmm, wow ok then. Does software mods void your warranty? As long as its reasonable mods? |
| 04:45.07 | rwhitby | ultraBlack: don't ask me - I just search and replaced on PuffTheMagic's code. there is no reason to believe that optloopservice will do anything remotely functional. I just gave you a skeleton. |
| 04:45.15 | tmzt | what is meant by "mods" |
| 04:45.19 | ultraBlack | rwhitby: I see |
| 04:45.27 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Build related? |
| 04:45.31 | rwhitby | imop45: if palm or sprint wanted to, they can make anything void your warranty. |
| 04:45.35 | imop45 | Just light things, like some patches and homebrew apps |
| 04:45.36 | tmzt | you have a root filesystem, which is actually a read write filesystem on an sd card |
| 04:45.38 | PuffTheMagic | what about me? |
| 04:45.42 | ultraBlack | egaudet: You think it needs the constructor? |
| 04:45.43 | PuffTheMagic | what did i miss? |
| 04:45.44 | egaudet | I originally had problems with mine, when I was javac'ing it |
| 04:45.49 | imop45 | rwhitby: So so true |
| 04:45.55 | rwhitby | imop45: webos doctor it, and it's indistinguishable from factory fresh. |
| 04:46.14 | cpcrook | yeah webosdoc will cover your ass no matter what ;) |
| 04:46.19 | egaudet | I don't know the details of java and jars so I'm just throwing that out there, I know it creates some META_INF direcotry |
| 04:46.25 | egaudet | s/direcotry/directory |
| 04:46.35 | ultraBlack | rwhitby: Actually, official updates stay installed, so it's like factory Brand New |
| 04:46.37 | PuffTheMagic | why did i get messaged? |
| 04:46.39 | cpcrook | i was already in the store and they had units in stock to replace mine when i turned it in |
| 04:46.41 | imop45 | ok, now second q. What about rsync: does it copy EVERYTHING? So if/when i get a new pre i wont have to even move an icon around? |
| 04:46.45 | PuffTheMagic | mentioned |
| 04:47.02 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: the /opt loopback thing. forget about it |
| 04:47.11 | PuffTheMagic | yes += |
| 04:47.13 | PuffTheMagic | ++ |
| 04:47.16 | PuffTheMagic | thanks |
| 04:47.19 | PuffTheMagic | resize ++ |
| 04:47.21 | egaudet | try the build.xml and ant to build |
| 04:47.25 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: we were just wondering if you need a service constructor in the .java |
| 04:47.26 | egaudet | the java doesn't seem wrong |
| 04:47.33 | PuffTheMagic | nope |
| 04:47.40 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: k, thanks. |
| 04:47.44 | PuffTheMagic | its not required |
| 04:47.51 | PuffTheMagic | unless you want to setup shit |
| 04:48.05 | ultraBlack | is installing Ant. |
| 04:48.06 | PuffTheMagic | when the object is created |
| 04:48.07 | imop45 | cpcrook: does the palm profile OTA erase thing erase everything? its suppossed to be for corprate security. |
| 04:48.13 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: u dont need ant |
| 04:48.28 | cpcrook | it erases downloaded apps and personal data if im not mistaken |
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| 04:48.39 | cpcrook | but will not set your FS back to factory |
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| 04:48.46 | CIA-29 | Destinal wiki * r4053 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches - New page about luna UI debugging |
| 04:48.47 | cpcrook | ie: if you've rooted |
| 04:48.55 | cpcrook | and been dicking around with linux |
| 04:48.57 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: Explain this? luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopserv |
| 04:48.57 | ultraBlack | ice/version {} |
| 04:48.57 | ultraBlack | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"} |
| 04:49.14 | imop45 | Hmm, ok. Anyone know if rsync will backup and restore everything, if icon placement in Launcher? |
| 04:49.29 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: i dont know how you wrote your service |
| 04:49.30 | egaudet | what is your service file look like again ultraBlack |
| 04:49.36 | PuffTheMagic | do idont really know hwy you got that error |
| 04:49.46 | PuffTheMagic | i would have to see the code |
| 04:49.48 | imop45 | cpcrook: ill webos it then as long as rsync can do what i need to |
| 04:49.53 | egaudet | http://webos.pastebin.com/m1933cc3f |
| 04:49.53 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic, egaudet: [D-BUS Service] |
| 04:49.54 | ultraBlack | Name=org.webosinternals.optloopservice |
| 04:49.54 | ultraBlack | Exec=/usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice","className":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice.OptLoopService"}' |
| 04:49.54 | PuffTheMagic | which i am willing ot look at |
| 04:50.00 | PuffTheMagic | but i not nothing |
| 04:50.03 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, that pastebin is his java |
| 04:50.12 | PuffTheMagic | cause i just got back form my grandpas 90th bd party |
| 04:50.15 | PuffTheMagic | and i drunk |
| 04:50.20 | PuffTheMagic | and i have family around |
| 04:50.30 | PuffTheMagic | and i dont feel like looking at java |
| 04:50.39 | cpcrook | imop45: personally, I'd just webosdoc it. is moving icons really worth a potential warranty rejection? |
| 04:50.45 | PuffTheMagic | bit tomorrow i would do it if im free |
| 04:51.23 | egaudet | send me the jar ultraBlack |
| 04:51.46 | imop45 | cpcrook: eh ive done it 4 times already... Eh, i wonder what file saves there location. And no its not a risk im willing to take |
| 04:52.12 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Like that or do you want me to upload it somewhere |
| 04:52.26 | ultraBlack | hmm |
| 04:52.50 | egaudet | upload it somewhere |
| 04:52.59 | ultraBlack | i don't know any good places |
| 04:53.05 | ultraBlack | i never upload jars |
| 04:53.16 | imop45 | cpcrook: ive googled about rsync and i dont know what the answer would be |
| 04:53.36 | egaudet | copy it into an empty directory and jar -xvf it |
| 04:53.43 | egaudet | tell me everything you get out of it |
| 04:54.17 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: did you model your service after my LEDService? |
| 04:54.24 | PuffTheMagic | i know that works |
| 04:54.34 | imop45 | where's the icon location save files in Launcher (if anyone knows) |
| 04:54.44 | ultraBlack | rwhitby: Did you model my service after PuffTheMagic's LEDService? |
| 04:55.13 | imop45 | This will be my 5th palm pre. |
| 04:55.22 | ultraBlack | imop45: unlucky |
| 04:55.27 | imop45 | very |
| 04:55.33 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: i wrote LEDService and IPKGservice...i can only guaranteed LEDService works |
| 04:55.41 | imop45 | And eembarrassing. |
| 04:55.45 | PuffTheMagic | but someone else mased Acceleromter service |
| 04:55.52 | PuffTheMagic | and that was based on my LED service |
| 04:55.55 | ultraBlack | egaudet: created: META-INF/ |
| 04:55.55 | ultraBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.55 | ultraBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.15 | PuffTheMagic | so i am pretty sure i you know java and you model it after my service it will work |
| 04:56.22 | egaudet | it should have inflated org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class |
| 04:56.39 | ultraBlack | not just OptLoopService.class? |
| 04:56.42 | egaudet | right |
| 04:56.45 | ultraBlack | It got placed in the wrong dir... |
| 04:56.48 | ultraBlack | wrong area |
| 04:56.56 | egaudet | your class (from your service file) is org.webosinternals.optloopservice.OptLoopService |
| 04:56.57 | ultraBlack | so. |
| 04:57.24 | egaudet | when the jar gets extracted it can't find org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService and eventually times out |
| 04:57.30 | ultraBlack | what should i use for jar [options] [sourcefile] |
| 04:57.37 | egaudet | hence your "unknown error" problem |
| 04:57.52 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: how are u making your jar? |
| 04:57.55 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Maybe I can use winrar to move it? |
| 04:58.26 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: jar is like a tar.gz file |
| 04:58.28 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 04:58.36 | ultraBlack | I was doing jar cf org.webosinternals.optloopservice.jar OptLoopService.class |
| 04:58.57 | ultraBlack | OptLoopService.class should be in org/webosineternals/optloopservice dir then |
| 04:59.00 | ultraBlack | relative to where it is now |
| 04:59.03 | egaudet | yes |
| 04:59.06 | ultraBlack | and then when i jar it, i give the full path |
| 04:59.08 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: install ant and use my build.xml file |
| 04:59.09 | ultraBlack | Alright! |
| 04:59.13 | PuffTheMagic | or use eclipse |
| 04:59.18 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: I don't need Ant, remember :D |
| 04:59.19 | PuffTheMagic | and let it make the ar |
| 04:59.24 | egaudet | yea i like ant the best |
| 04:59.26 | ultraBlack | eclipse, maybe. |
| 04:59.28 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: rember what |
| 04:59.30 | ultraBlack | i have eclipse already |
| 04:59.36 | PuffTheMagic | u sound like u fail at ant |
| 04:59.38 | PuffTheMagic | or jar |
| 04:59.42 | PuffTheMagic | so u need something |
| 04:59.43 | ultraBlack | i don't want to install ant |
| 04:59.46 | ultraBlack | right now |
| 04:59.50 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches |
| 04:59.56 | destinal | check it out just for the screenshot alone |
| 05:00.08 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: so if u have eclispse |
| 05:00.09 | ultraBlack | destinal: yeah, that's nice |
| 05:00.13 | PuffTheMagic | export as a jar file |
| 05:00.17 | ultraBlack | destinal: looks like a .swf |
| 05:00.17 | PuffTheMagic | and it will be fine |
| 05:00.46 | ultraBlack | destinal: right click -> show redraw regions |
| 05:01.18 | ultraBlack | I need the eclipse plugin for webos though |
| 05:01.21 | ultraBlack | where do i get that |
| 05:01.29 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: no u dont |
| 05:01.31 | ultraBlack | k |
| 05:01.34 | PuffTheMagic | its not that useful |
| 05:01.34 | rwhitby | ultraBlack: developer.palm.com |
| 05:02.07 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: one-click install+play is kind of nice |
| 05:02.13 | PuffTheMagic | yes |
| 05:02.17 | PuffTheMagic | kinda nice |
| 05:02.28 | ultraBlack | i have templarian's komodo toolbox |
| 05:02.33 | ultraBlack | it's pretty alright |
| 05:02.42 | PuffTheMagic | but its easy enought ot do ; palm-package .; palm-install |
| 05:02.55 | PuffTheMagic | eclipse ftw+ |
| 05:02.55 | ultraBlack | on windows its kind of a bitch |
| 05:03.03 | PuffTheMagic | windows sucks period |
| 05:03.06 | ultraBlack | it puts it in your user folder |
| 05:03.10 | ultraBlack | palm-package |
| 05:03.13 | ultraBlack | :/ idk |
| 05:03.34 | PuffTheMagic | love how he hasnt usead windows in 10 years |
| 05:03.38 | Templarian | ultraBlack: don't worry about him, hes one of the few people that likes Eclipse for webOS dev. |
| 05:03.53 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: i like eclipse for all my devel |
| 05:04.02 | ultraBlack | I've never even used Eclipse for anything |
| 05:04.03 | PuffTheMagic | its a very robust and free IDE |
| 05:04.07 | ultraBlack | SCiTE ftw |
| 05:04.18 | ultraBlack | ;o |
| 05:04.29 | PuffTheMagic | i've used lots of editors for coding |
| 05:04.31 | PuffTheMagic | and they all suck |
| 05:04.33 | egaudet | Komodo is nice to set up/build... gvim for the coding |
| 05:04.37 | PuffTheMagic | compared to eclipses features |
| 05:04.42 | destinal | where's the best place to link this (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches) under, I wonder.. research? |
| 05:04.55 | ultraBlack | actually i'm pretty much finishing up my escapade with scite and switching to komodo edit, despite how bloated it is |
| 05:04.56 | ultraBlack | its nice |
| 05:05.31 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: idk what you haven against eclipse, unless you just hate jave apps |
| 05:05.50 | PuffTheMagic | cause eclipse is nice really |
| 05:05.51 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: its very clucky to use imo for webOS work. |
| 05:05.51 | egaudet | ultraBlack, how is it going |
| 05:06.08 | ultraBlack | egaudet: i need to see how i can get eclipse to let me export to .jar |
| 05:06.17 | Templarian | It's one of those things use the better tool. I would use Komodo for C# etc. |
| 05:06.18 | ultraBlack | i guess it needs to be an eclipse project |
| 05:06.30 | Templarian | s/would/wouldn't |
| 05:06.43 | egaudet | just jar -cvf org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class opt.webosinternals.optloopservice.jar |
| 05:06.51 | egaudet | no need fancy guis |
| 05:06.59 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: why do u need to say for webos development... |
| 05:07.00 | ultraBlack | egaudet: yeah i know but i'm lazy and need to find some way to accelerate this process eventually |
| 05:07.08 | egaudet | build.xml / ant |
| 05:07.15 | ultraBlack | egaudet: :O NOOOOO |
| 05:07.21 | egaudet | fastest way possible |
| 05:07.25 | ultraBlack | egaudet: ant is weird i had enough confusion setting it up |
| 05:07.36 | ultraBlack | i'll install it after i test this version() method |
| 05:07.40 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: do u install a seperate IDE for each language u program in? |
| 05:07.41 | ultraBlack | k? deal?lol |
| 05:07.45 | egaudet | once you have a build.xml you do "ant clean build jar" (clean build jar are 3 targets) |
| 05:07.56 | egaudet | anywho, jar it up and you are good |
| 05:08.03 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: no I extend my editor how I see fit lol. I only use Visual Studio and Komodo though. |
| 05:08.03 | ultraBlack | egaudet: clean build jar eh |
| 05:08.15 | PuffTheMagic | Visual Studio |
| 05:08.18 | egaudet | yea assuming those 3 targets are in the build.xml |
| 05:08.27 | rwhitby | uses emacs and make |
| 05:08.35 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: that is bigger than eclipse |
| 05:08.41 | egaudet | hi |
| 05:08.43 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: make is not a ide |
| 05:08.48 | PuffTheMagic | dont confuse things |
| 05:08.52 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: ah, but emacs is :-) |
| 05:09.02 | PuffTheMagic | no its not its a text editor |
| 05:09.06 | egaudet | screw ide's! |
| 05:09.22 | Templarian | egaudet: right (also Komodo Edit is an editor) |
| 05:09.22 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: if you think emacs is just a text editor, you're not using it right. |
| 05:09.25 | ultraBlack | egaudet: what does the v in -cvf do? |
| 05:09.30 | egaudet | verbose |
| 05:09.32 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i dont use it ever |
| 05:09.38 | PuffTheMagic | its uglu |
| 05:09.41 | PuffTheMagic | ulgy |
| 05:09.57 | Templarian | Basing an editor off how it looks. lol. |
| 05:09.58 | rwhitby | how can emacs in an ssh window be ugly? |
| 05:10.20 | rwhitby | gui's are just ways to making it easy to organise multiple command line windows on a big screen ... |
| 05:10.23 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: i do usabiliy for a profession |
| 05:10.32 | PuffTheMagic | what is beautiful is usabible |
| 05:10.47 | PuffTheMagic | cant spell for shit |
| 05:11.05 | talsair | isn't it the other way around. what is usable is beautiful (me says from the background) |
| 05:11.05 | Templarian | rwhitby: hehe so true. |
| 05:11.14 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: i think its funny say eclipse is clunk and yet u use visual studio |
| 05:11.21 | rwhitby | I'd say there are plenty of people in your country that think the usabible is a beautiful thing ... ;-) |
| 05:11.40 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: It's the most powerful editor ever created. And it's actually very light weight for what it does. |
| 05:12.47 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: it doesnt do code completion, it does not do code refactoring, it does not do templates, it does not have git integration |
| 05:13.08 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: lol. It does all of that. |
| 05:13.24 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: and i need to learn lisp to use it |
| 05:13.25 | PuffTheMagic | great |
| 05:13.27 | ultraBlack | can i guess your guys nationality? puffthemagic is either turkish or american and rwhitby is british/english |
| 05:13.54 | rwhitby | is australian |
| 05:13.59 | ultraBlack | fair enough. |
| 05:14.10 | ultraBlack | mate |
| 05:14.19 | destinal | ultraBlack: :P |
| 05:14.25 | rwhitby | no wuckkas |
| 05:14.28 | PuffTheMagic | i really cant speak for all u windows users |
| 05:14.36 | PuffTheMagic | cause i am probably the only linux only user here |
| 05:14.43 | PuffTheMagic | but eclipse is great |
| 05:14.57 | rwhitby | only linux user here ... pfft |
| 05:14.58 | PuffTheMagic | we dont have visual studio |
| 05:15.05 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: Rule #1 no OS arguing, all tools supported by multiplatform. |
| 05:15.13 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: you do have C# though. |
| 05:15.20 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: I'm a Linux and eclipse user, you insensitive clod! |
| 05:15.39 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: there is no visual studio for linux |
| 05:15.41 | rwhitby | destinal: PuffTheMagic is the only *true* linux user here ... we're all just acolytes |
| 05:15.48 | PuffTheMagic | and u r the one who brought tha tup |
| 05:15.49 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: You have other editors for Mono. |
| 05:16.08 | Templarian | Visual Studio is only for .NET mainly. |
| 05:16.11 | destinal | rwhitby: lol |
| 05:16.11 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: i wont tought mono with a 10 foot poll |
| 05:16.18 | PuffTheMagic | i hate interpreted languages |
| 05:16.20 | rwhitby | Templarian: um, C/C++ ... |
| 05:16.36 | PuffTheMagic | i like java yes cause its easy |
| 05:16.39 | Templarian | rwhitby: oh yea lol. |
| 05:16.46 | ultraBlack | egaudet: when i do jar -cf org/webos |
| 05:16.47 | ultraBlack | internals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class asdf.jar, why do I get asdf.jar : no such file or directory, so what? shouldn't it MAKE it |
| 05:16.54 | PuffTheMagic | but if my c/c++ was better i would always write in that |
| 05:17.06 | destinal | rwhitby: well c++ can be .net too right, just as vb can |
| 05:17.09 | Templarian | rwhitby: My bro being a C++ guru would kill me for forgetting that. |
| 05:17.11 | PuffTheMagic | f' mono/.net |
| 05:17.18 | destinal | .net is a framework, c# is a language |
| 05:17.37 | destinal | hell, ironpython is .net too |
| 05:17.40 | Templarian | c# 3.5 is a beautiful syntax. |
| 05:17.48 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i dont know any windows dev that says C# ever |
| 05:17.54 | PuffTheMagic | cause they dont use open compilers |
| 05:17.58 | PuffTheMagic | they use MS compilers |
| 05:18.04 | PuffTheMagic | so they have .net anyway |
| 05:18.12 | PuffTheMagic | and they refer to it as .net |
| 05:18.40 | destinal | well that's like saying "PC" and meaning windows system. |
| 05:18.42 | Templarian | Really, .net means to many things. |
| 05:18.47 | egaudet | i had it backwards and so therefore you do too ultraBlack |
| 05:18.52 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: thats how windows users are ;) |
| 05:18.55 | ultraBlack | egaudet: oh, rite. |
| 05:18.57 | egaudet | it's jar -cvf blah.tar org/web... |
| 05:18.58 | PuffTheMagic | hides |
| 05:19.02 | egaudet | s/tar/jar |
| 05:19.08 | ultraBlack | egaudet: shame on you |
| 05:19.23 | Eguy | Hey destinal my pc version is Vista is that good? |
| 05:19.23 | egaudet | lol forgive my sleepy mind :P |
| 05:19.28 | egaudet | no |
| 05:19.30 | Eguy | :P |
| 05:19.32 | ultraBlack | I HAVE VISTA X64 ULTIMATE |
| 05:19.39 | Eguy | fail |
| 05:19.42 | egaudet | throw it out your window! |
| 05:19.43 | egaudet | quick |
| 05:19.52 | Templarian | Just upgrade to 7 like every other person. |
| 05:19.53 | ultraBlack | but...but...my crysis and my 8gb ram |
| 05:19.57 | Eguy | LOL |
| 05:20.02 | Eguy | lol crysis |
| 05:20.06 | ultraBlack | i'm playing it right now you know guys. taking breaks in between listening to you bitch is great fun for me |
| 05:20.15 | Eguy | I am rocking windows 7 ultimate right now |
| 05:20.17 | ultraBlack | because i have my games |
| 05:20.20 | ultraBlack | i preordered |
| 05:20.21 | Eguy | technet ftw |
| 05:20.26 | Templarian | Everyone to #webos-watercooler now |
| 05:20.28 | ultraBlack | $50 for pro |
| 05:20.44 | ultraBlack | er, was it $100 |
| 05:20.46 | ultraBlack | who cares i gave my money to 'em |
| 05:20.57 | destinal | ack invasion of watercooler mode |
| 05:20.59 | ultraBlack | one license |
| 05:21.32 | ultraBlack | BOOM HEADSHOT! |
| 05:21.34 | Eguy | lol ty Templarian for the shout-out |
| 05:21.42 | AgentSmith | lulllchannnel |
| 05:22.21 | tlz | sup |
| 05:22.26 | ultraBlack | plays sophisticated music. Classical. Bach. |
| 05:22.34 | AgentSmith | ha |
| 05:22.36 | *** part/#webos-internals talsair (n=rokuna@c-75-74-176-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 05:23.04 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: sorry to say i was the only linux user |
| 05:23.21 | PuffTheMagic | i dont really meet many people that dont use windows at all |
| 05:23.31 | PuffTheMagic | most people still have a windows install for fallback |
| 05:23.34 | PuffTheMagic | or games |
| 05:23.42 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: there's always WINE |
| 05:23.54 | Eguy | PuffTheMagic: Need windows for crysis |
| 05:23.55 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i have a ps3 |
| 05:24.00 | PuffTheMagic | i do my gaming on consoles |
| 05:24.19 | tlz | destinal, what exactly is the org.webosinternals.ledservice? |
| 05:24.29 | destinal | tlz: ask Puff, he wrote it :) |
| 05:24.36 | tlz | puff! |
| 05:24.40 | tlz | what is it! :) |
| 05:24.44 | ultraBlack | console gaming for fpses? |
| 05:24.47 | ultraBlack | get out |
| 05:24.59 | ultraBlack | tlz: it makes LEDs dance |
| 05:25.01 | PuffTheMagic | tlz: its a service to manipulate the led's on the pre |
| 05:25.15 | PuffTheMagic | tlz: since palm didnt give us access to them |
| 05:25.18 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: So you really would prefer joysticks for aiming |
| 05:25.30 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: You lika the auto-aim |
| 05:25.30 | tlz | heh cool, is it going to be used in conjunction with another program? |
| 05:25.38 | PuffTheMagic | PuffTheMagic: i can use a mouse/keyboard on unreal for ps3 |
| 05:25.46 | PuffTheMagic | but i enjoy using gamempad too |
| 05:25.54 | Eguy | eww ps3 |
| 05:25.59 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: true.. |
| 05:25.59 | PuffTheMagic | as long as i am not playing against people with a mouse/keybaord |
| 05:26.00 | Eguy | loves my 360 |
| 05:26.16 | PuffTheMagic | yes mouse/keyboard is easier |
| 05:26.23 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: But PS3's don't really have upgradable GPUs or CPUs |
| 05:26.33 | PuffTheMagic | so |
| 05:26.35 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: Hence why the PC modding community thrives |
| 05:26.38 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 05:26.43 | PuffTheMagic | thats not right |
| 05:27.02 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: People like amazing next-gen graphics without having to wait for Nintendo to make a successor to the Wii. |
| 05:27.19 | destinal | this is ALL watercooler conversation |
| 05:27.22 | PuffTheMagic | PC people need to upgrade their hardware all the time cause developers need to write code that works on 1000 different hardware |
| 05:27.26 | Eguy | yes it is |
| 05:27.27 | PuffTheMagic | and most devs suclk |
| 05:27.28 | ultraBlack | destinal: yep. |
| 05:27.29 | PuffTheMagic | suck |
| 05:27.30 | destinal | when there is no room in watercooler, the spam will walk the -internals |
| 05:27.35 | PuffTheMagic | so their code is inefficient |
| 05:27.36 | Eguy | lol |
| 05:27.41 | PuffTheMagic | so that means u need to upgrade |
| 05:27.48 | PuffTheMagic | since every ps3 has the same hardware |
| 05:27.59 | PuffTheMagic | most console devs get better over time |
| 05:28.04 | PuffTheMagic | and write better coed |
| 05:28.06 | PuffTheMagic | code |
| 05:28.10 | PuffTheMagic | and better games |
| 05:28.18 | PuffTheMagic | and get more out of the system as time goes |
| 05:28.23 | PuffTheMagic | so we dont need to upgrade |
| 05:28.24 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: I can't stand the CoD graphics. I'm sorry I'm a sucker for Crytek |
| 05:28.39 | Eguy | My rig ftw http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3637/3374378442_3f665c22e3_b.jpg :) |
| 05:28.43 | destinal | we need an antidote. someone talk about the internals of webos, or something. |
| 05:28.43 | PuffTheMagic | i dont know what CoD an Crytek is |
| 05:29.05 | Eguy | call of duty; crytek makes Far Cry and Crysis |
| 05:29.10 | rwhitby | bbl - kids bday party |
| 05:29.19 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: webos internals is like a 16 year old girl, cant touch it |
| 05:29.29 | PuffTheMagic | hows that |
| 05:29.39 | Eguy | pretty accurate |
| 05:30.23 | destinal | that opens up sooo many bad jokes, I have to refuse |
| 05:30.30 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 05:30.31 | ultraBlack | you LOSE! good day sir! |
| 05:30.41 | Eguy | hahaha |
| 05:31.03 | tlz | heh |
| 05:31.25 | Eguy | ask and ye shall recieve tlz eh? |
| 05:32.17 | AgentSmith | isn't this what watercooler is for? |
| 05:32.20 | AgentSmith | just sayin |
| 05:32.24 | Eguy | yes sir |
| 05:32.31 | Eguy | I made it for this reason LOL |
| 05:32.33 | AgentSmith | lolol |
| 05:32.41 | AgentSmith | rwhitby isn't around to kick ass and chew bubblegum? |
| 05:32.41 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: ps2 came was out for like 10-11 years before ps3 came out... and the devs came out with better and better games even after the ps3 came out |
| 05:32.49 | PuffTheMagic | and that was cause the hw stayed the same |
| 05:32.59 | PuffTheMagic | and all devs had to write code for 1 system |
| 05:33.15 | destinal | seriously, people read the logs of this channel for halfway useful ramblings. let's take the game talk to #webos-watercooler |
| 05:33.17 | PuffTheMagic | u dont see that with PCs cause there are so many hw combinations |
| 05:33.26 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 05:33.42 | Eguy | rwhitby is away at his kids birthday party |
| 05:33.47 | PuffTheMagic | offtopic is good |
| 05:33.48 | Eguy | AS |
| 05:33.59 | PuffTheMagic | we are all bored |
| 05:34.07 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: u rater it be dead in here |
| 05:34.11 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 05:34.12 | AgentSmith | yeah, the devs prefer offtopic in watercooler because this channel is logged |
| 05:34.27 | AgentSmith | and devs have to tear through molesting children when they're trying to review useful stuff |
| 05:34.36 | destinal | AgentSmith: quote of the day, congrats |
| 05:34.39 | PuffTheMagic | who reads logs anyway |
| 05:34.45 | Eguy | yes that was pretty damn awesome |
| 05:34.46 | PuffTheMagic | lots are nice cause u can googe them |
| 05:34.48 | PuffTheMagic | thats about it |
| 05:35.04 | AgentSmith | thx dest |
| 05:35.07 | Eguy | I feel bad for the dev who read the logs cause there is a lot of crap on here sometimes lol |
| 05:35.09 | ultraBlack | Aw, you got googe all over my logs! |
| 05:35.38 | PuffTheMagic | s/lots/logs/ |
| 05:35.58 | ultraBlack | Lots of googe |
| 05:36.05 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: everything that is usefull becomes code in a git repo |
| 05:36.10 | Eguy | this is serious watercoooler stuff but oh well |
| 05:36.16 | Eguy | Yes |
| 05:36.19 | Eguy | git-r-done |
| 05:36.21 | PuffTheMagic | the chan is for just this |
| 05:36.42 | AgentSmith | it's ok eguy, puff isn't cool enough to go where the REAL Fun is |
| 05:36.45 | PuffTheMagic | someone turn off the log ;) |
| 05:36.57 | destinal | ~log |
| 05:36.58 | PuffTheMagic | AgentSmith: i have +u on freenode |
| 05:37.07 | PuffTheMagic | i can join unlimited channels |
| 05:37.14 | PuffTheMagic | and i already am in 50+ |
| 05:37.18 | PuffTheMagic | well ~50 |
| 05:37.19 | Eguy | Why |
| 05:37.21 | PuffTheMagic | i dont need another one |
| 05:37.24 | AgentSmith | sounds like you hit a 50 channel limit puff |
| 05:37.24 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: dear gods that's insane |
| 05:37.30 | AgentSmith | gotta pay $300 to get 50 more |
| 05:37.35 | AgentSmith | i have a paypal account you can deposit it in |
| 05:37.43 | Eguy | me too |
| 05:37.44 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i participate in lots of projects |
| 05:38.03 | Eguy | and you still have time for crappy webOS? :P |
| 05:38.08 | *** join/#webos-internals synthmole (n=chatzill@c-24-5-71-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:38.14 | Eguy | that was a joke btw |
| 05:38.20 | Eguy | for the logs |
| 05:38.22 | Eguy | :P |
| 05:38.37 | ultraBlack | The almighty logs *bows to fallen trees* |
| 05:38.53 | AgentSmith | i need to start monitoring the power logs on my pre and do some tests |
| 05:38.54 | ultraBlack | fell trees |
| 05:38.59 | AgentSmith | friends have been saying theirs have been dying in less than a day on 1.1 |
| 05:39.11 | AgentSmith | friend had his charged up to full at 7am, by 11am it was down to 25% full today |
| 05:39.42 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: 6 gentoo channels, radeon, kde-devel, uclibc, bluez, git, ipw2100, olpc, sugar .... |
| 05:39.56 | PuffTheMagic | im in an irc channel for everuthing i use almost ;) |
| 05:40.03 | PuffTheMagic | buti contrbute to most |
| 05:40.06 | PuffTheMagic | i just dont lurk |
| 05:40.25 | AgentSmith | in fact the polar opposite of lurk |
| 05:40.30 | AgentSmith | which i believe is "durk" |
| 05:40.37 | PuffTheMagic | haha |
| 05:40.37 | destinal | ok, so just for the fun of it, let's ltrace LunaSysMgr |
| 05:40.52 | destinal | because I want to see just how fast I can scroll my terminal, fill up logs, etc |
| 05:41.05 | tmzt | is the patch in the kernel? |
| 05:41.13 | PuffTheMagic | is gonna give you all some peice and quiet and go watch some tv before he passes out |
| 05:41.18 | destinal | tmzt: which patch? |
| 05:41.26 | tmzt | actually, ti might be worth it to get a n upstream kernel working |
| 05:41.29 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: if u want to talk irc mojo tomorrow let me know |
| 05:41.32 | ultraBlack | egaudet: inflated: org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class but we're still getting ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"} |
| 05:41.38 | tmzt | ltrace |
| 05:41.41 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: cool |
| 05:41.42 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt: i have plans for that |
| 05:41.52 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt: but palm is doing it already |
| 05:41.58 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Just when you thought the problem was gone. Sorry it took so long for me to stop talking to PuffTheMagic to do that. |
| 05:42.01 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt: so we may as well focus effors else where |
| 05:42.24 | Eguy | My pre goes from 100-23% from 10am-7pm |
| 05:42.32 | AgentSmith | eguy that sounds better |
| 05:42.45 | AgentSmith | i gotta find out of he did something stupid, i have a feeling he has an SSH service running or something |
| 05:42.50 | AgentSmith | but i'm not sure yet |
| 05:43.49 | egaudet | lol |
| 05:43.54 | egaudet | so you re-installed it, and rebooted |
| 05:44.00 | PuffTheMagic | gives the channels some champagne to drink in celebration of him going ot bed |
| 05:44.05 | egaudet | and you are root |
| 05:44.07 | destinal | tmzt: which kernel module is needed? |
| 05:44.33 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Let me reinstall and reboot one more time to be sure |
| 05:45.22 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: your service isnt working cause the cosmos knows knows loop on opt is a bad idea and it wont let u do it ;) |
| 05:45.36 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: why wont u resize |
| 05:45.52 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: because i've already spent like 2 weeks on this |
| 05:46.03 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: why quit now |
| 05:46.11 | PuffTheMagic | thats what u get for not comming on irc sooner |
| 05:46.18 | Eguy | msg chanserv +God Eguy #webos-internals |
| 05:46.22 | PuffTheMagic | irc is the uber source of everyting |
| 05:46.24 | Eguy | :( |
| 05:46.36 | egaudet | are you manually re-installing? |
| 05:46.46 | ultraBlack | egaudet: With WinSCP |
| 05:47.11 | PuffTheMagic | winscp... just install ubuntu in virtualnox |
| 05:47.19 | egaudet | yeaaaa |
| 05:47.23 | egaudet | dooo it |
| 05:47.23 | PuffTheMagic | forget cygwin and putty and winscp |
| 05:47.42 | PuffTheMagic | if u are gonna hack a linux box run a linux box ;) |
| 05:47.55 | ultraBlack | I remind you all that I have Ubuntu 9.0.4 on my main drive as a partition of its own. |
| 05:48.04 | destinal | tmzt: ltrace LunaSysMgr works on the emulator and wow does it generate output :) |
| 05:48.12 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: i dont care unless its your only paritioin |
| 05:48.23 | PuffTheMagic | if u have windows on any hd u fail |
| 05:48.37 | PuffTheMagic | runs from the beating of windows users |
| 05:48.38 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: I have it on 5. |
| 05:48.47 | PuffTheMagic | windows? |
| 05:48.52 | PuffTheMagic | dear god |
| 05:48.56 | Eguy | killall off-topic conversaion |
| 05:49.02 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic: 3 Vista x64 Ultimate, 2 Windows XP SP3. |
| 05:49.05 | Eguy | mv convertation webos-watercooler |
| 05:49.18 | ultraBlack | 1 Ubuntu. |
| 05:49.19 | Eguy | rm -rf off-topic |
| 05:49.26 | egaudet | why are you using windows for this stuff? |
| 05:49.27 | Eguy | reboot |
| 05:49.29 | Eguy | exit |
| 05:49.29 | egaudet | if you have ubuntu? |
| 05:49.36 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: if there was anything on toplic total about we would :D |
| 05:49.49 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: thats what i dont get |
| 05:50.06 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: some of us are actually hacking on things, don't they have channels for badmouthing windows? :) |
| 05:50.13 | ultraBlack | PuffTheMagic, egaudet: Ubuntu doesn't have drivers for my gaming-grade mouse. |
| 05:50.20 | Eguy | destinal: they are called Apple |
| 05:50.29 | egaudet | '/join badmouth-windows |
| 05:50.31 | ultraBlack | Apple has channels? |
| 05:50.35 | PuffTheMagic | ultraBlack: there are no games in linux for your gaming mouse anyway |
| 05:50.38 | ultraBlack | on freenode? |
| 05:50.40 | Eguy | in your brain |
| 05:50.50 | Eguy | Apple fanboys they are called |
| 05:51.01 | Eguy | or to us normal human... mentally challenged |
| 05:51.01 | ultraBlack | everyone has an inner apple fanboy |
| 05:51.02 | egaudet | How do i stop the screen from dimming! |
| 05:51.09 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i cant resist,i am surrounded by windows users |
| 05:51.21 | Eguy | Puff: I use linux ;) |
| 05:51.22 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: it breaks my heart |
| 05:51.40 | ultraBlack | egaudet: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"} |
| 05:51.42 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: only linux? |
| 05:51.50 | PuffTheMagic | id rather not play a game than run linux |
| 05:51.51 | egaudet | flush your pre down the toilet |
| 05:51.53 | destinal | egaudet: there's a wiki article on stopping sleep mode, I think that applies to dimming too |
| 05:52.00 | PuffTheMagic | althought i do use wine for Civ 4 |
| 05:52.05 | Eguy | eww wine |
| 05:52.10 | egaudet | the "change off after X" wiki? |
| 05:52.12 | Eguy | No not only linuxx |
| 05:52.16 | Eguy | linux* |
| 05:52.23 | destinal | egaudet: that's the one |
| 05:52.28 | Eguy | but I am exposed to linux all the time |
| 05:52.31 | egaudet | i don't think it stops the dimm |
| 05:52.36 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: wine is nice |
| 05:52.37 | egaudet | because the dimm happens before the off |
| 05:52.43 | Eguy | I am a network administrator |
| 05:52.44 | PuffTheMagic | esp with winetricks |
| 05:52.54 | PuffTheMagic | Civ4 runs smooth like butter |
| 05:53.05 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: do you know regarding the dimming thing whether that article on change off after X applies? |
| 05:53.06 | ultraBlack | Isn't Civ4 from 1994? |
| 05:53.08 | PuffTheMagic | and that the only windows app i use/need |
| 05:53.12 | destinal | sorry to actually talk about WEBOS |
| 05:53.17 | AgentSmith | lol destinal |
| 05:53.18 | AgentSmith | you're insane |
| 05:53.21 | AgentSmith | why do that in a webos channel? |
| 05:53.23 | AgentSmith | blasphemy |
| 05:53.24 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: dimming? |
| 05:53.26 | AgentSmith | hey guys lets talk about xbox |
| 05:53.33 | Eguy | What is webos? |
| 05:53.33 | AgentSmith | oh wait. |
| 05:53.38 | ultraBlack | I have a dvd player |
| 05:53.46 | ultraBlack | It plays dvds but not bluray |
| 05:53.48 | Eguy | I have a jpod |
| 05:53.51 | destinal | slaps AgentSmith with a mackerel. |
| 05:53.55 | egaudet | 2009-08-08T05:48:56.796844Z [28220] castle user.crit fileindexer[1244]: Failed to get path details: /media/internal/developer/_tmpdir_org.webosinternals.labyrinth_0.0.3_all.ipk/controlTmp |
| 05:53.55 | Eguy | the next iPod |
| 05:53.58 | ultraBlack | Are there any addons I can purchase to make it do what I want it to? and that is to play bluray |
| 05:54.04 | egaudet | wtf does that mean |
| 05:54.13 | Eguy | no, you can only plaay redray |
| 05:54.23 | AgentSmith | hahahaah |
| 05:54.25 | destinal | guys, seriously |
| 05:54.27 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i really have no attention span left i am too drunk |
| 05:54.28 | AgentSmith | this poor poor channel |
| 05:54.30 | AgentSmith | is being molested |
| 05:54.33 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 05:54.38 | PuffTheMagic | its 2 am here |
| 05:54.42 | destinal | I can't talk to people about webos INTERNALS because you're chatting about blueray and ps3 and windows and civ4 |
| 05:54.51 | PuffTheMagic | nothing productive going on |
| 05:54.52 | Eguy | what is civ4? |
| 05:54.54 | AgentSmith | so puff go to #webos-watercooler - we're talking about tommybres' sexual fantasies right now |
| 05:54.59 | Eguy | LOL |
| 05:55.07 | PuffTheMagic | i am going to the couch |
| 05:55.11 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: people are trying but you're scrolling the channel with crap |
| 05:55.13 | egaudet | I want my app to stop dimming until it's over, but not to have to change the max shutoff after X time |
| 05:55.18 | PuffTheMagic | and watching some tv |
| 05:55.20 | PuffTheMagic | then passing out |
| 05:55.38 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: lol, ok i will leave |
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| 05:55.56 | destinal | ok, so this dimming thing |
| 05:56.42 | AgentSmith | is there a soft variable to change dimming? |
| 05:56.59 | destinal | egaudet: are you plugged in to USB? |
| 05:57.07 | Eguy | There has to be because that guy made the brightness app |
| 05:57.09 | destinal | mine isn't dimming at all |
| 05:57.29 | egaudet | yes |
| 05:57.58 | ultraBlack | Maybe the Brightness Unlinked app uses a service to do its dirty work, kind of like what I need. |
| 05:58.12 | Eguy | service you say? |
| 05:58.15 | egaudet | I believe that brightness app, just splits up the brightness, but it uses a different portion of the service that i want |
| 05:58.32 | egaudet | of course I dont know exactly what I'm talking about because none of the luna-send works properly to that stupid display service |
| 05:58.38 | egaudet | except for the status |
| 05:58.58 | ultraBlack | egaudet: OMG! luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version { |
| 05:58.58 | ultraBlack | } doesn't work for me either |
| 05:59.13 | ultraBlack | Stupid freaking PuTTY splitting lines up |
| 05:59.14 | egaudet | lol |
| 05:59.24 | ultraBlack | +resize |
| 05:59.32 | ultraBlack | luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version {} |
| 05:59.40 | ultraBlack | -clipboardmod |
| 06:01.39 | ultraBlack | Ant time |
| 06:01.46 | egaudet | lol |
| 06:02.05 | tmzt | destinal: I assume emulator is not 2.6.24 then, but interesting |
| 06:02.57 | destinal | Linux qemux86 2.6.26 #1 SMP Tue Jul 7 15:31:11 PDT 2009 i686 unknown |
| 06:03.34 | destinal | yeah interesting, different version than the pre |
| 06:04.01 | ultraBlack | The SDK's version is always newer than the released version. |
| 06:04.27 | destinal | ultraBlack: even for the same version of the OS? |
| 06:04.31 | tmzt | hid support for a mouse? doesn't host have to work first? |
| 06:04.45 | destinal | tmzt: no, hidd is not what you think |
| 06:04.52 | tmzt | I know that |
| 06:05.01 | tmzt | it's not bluez |
| 06:05.04 | tmzt | I mean usb hid |
| 06:05.08 | destinal | it's not usb hid either |
| 06:05.14 | tmzt | yes |
| 06:05.17 | tmzt | that's in the kernel |
| 06:05.27 | tmzt | I think I read the question wrong while reading the log |
| 06:05.32 | tmzt | (from your highlight) |
| 06:05.38 | tmzt | it was about ubuntu, not Pre |
| 06:05.55 | Eguy | people read the log? |
| 06:05.56 | destinal | what did I say? |
| 06:06.06 | tmzt | not you, ultraBlack I think |
| 06:06.10 | ultraBlack | Hmm...turns out I already had Ant installed from last time. How do I use it? |
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| 06:06.33 | ultraBlack | egaudet: I never wrote down that ant clean build jar thing you gave me. |
| 06:06.43 | destinal | tmzt: so hidd reads ambient light sensor, proximity sensor, keyboard, touchscreen, accelerometer and all kinds of fun things, and it's a pluggable architecture |
| 06:07.02 | destinal | .so libs to interface with the data sources |
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| 06:07.12 | egaudet | you just typed it |
| 06:07.16 | tmzt | I know |
| 06:07.35 | destinal | so we need to figure out how to make a plugin for it :) |
| 06:08.49 | ultraBlack | egaudet: That's funny. The whole time I could have just done that. |
| 06:09.06 | tmzt | won't nm tell you most of the api? |
| 06:10.19 | egaudet | did i not tell you? |
| 06:10.24 | egaudet | lol |
| 06:10.26 | ultraBlack | egaudet: How do I enable verbosity? |
| 06:10.27 | destinal | tmzt: apparently yes |
| 06:10.32 | ultraBlack | The "BUILD FAILED" |
| 06:10.38 | egaudet | should tell you why |
| 06:10.49 | ultraBlack | Ah |
| 06:10.51 | egaudet | did you copy the build.xml from one of our services and change the name inside of it? |
| 06:11.00 | ultraBlack | The file's locked by windows. I need to close XChat I think |
| 06:11.04 | egaudet | the <delete file= and <jar destfile= |
| 06:11.10 | egaudet | say whowha |
| 06:11.19 | ultraBlack | egaudet: It's a windows thing :) |
| 06:11.22 | egaudet | lol |
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| 06:12.10 | ultraBlack | "BUILD SUCCESSFUL" ...it was locked from when I tried to send it to you. |
| 06:12.22 | egaudet | oh ok |
| 06:12.37 | ultraBlack | Iit couldn't clean up. |
| 06:12.43 | ultraBlack | s/iit/it |
| 06:12.54 | ultraBlack | How does that thing work? Do I need voice? *irc noob q.* |
| 06:13.06 | ultraBlack | s/q./question |
| 06:13.36 | ultraBlack | msg infobot |
| 06:16.17 | egaudet | so you built |
| 06:16.26 | egaudet | and it works magically |
| 06:17.05 | ultraBlack | egaudet: I've yet to test. |
| 06:17.25 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Pre takes a while to reboot, remember. |
| 06:18.39 | ultraBlack | egaudet: No, same thing. |
| 06:19.07 | ultraBlack | Destinal, have you looked at this? |
| 06:19.48 | ultraBlack | http://webos.pastebin.com/m1933cc3f |
| 06:20.10 | destinal | ultraBlack: to make the bot sed things, do something like this |
| 06:20.13 | destinal | s/this/that/ |
| 06:21.08 | destinal | ultraBlack: the service rwhitby did? I haven't but I think I understand how it's supposed to work |
| 06:21.34 | destinal | it's similar in design to any basic java webos service |
| 06:21.37 | ultraBlack | destinal: The only problem is that it doesn't. Not with luna-send, anyway. |
| 06:21.56 | destinal | do you have /opt in your fstab? |
| 06:22.15 | ultraBlack | Oh yes, however, it's a virtual file system, mounted on loopbackk. |
| 06:22.22 | ultraBlack | s/loopbackk/loopback |
| 06:22.27 | ultraBlack | s/loopbackk/loopback/ |
| 06:22.29 | ultraBlack | I see. |
| 06:23.49 | destinal | does /bin/mount /opt and /bin/umount /opt do the right thing at the command line? |
| 06:23.53 | destinal | if not, the service won't either |
| 06:24.35 | ultraBlack | It won't even return the right error message? |
| 06:24.51 | ultraBlack | /bin/mount /opt should say "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /opt failed: Device or resource busy" |
| 06:25.03 | ultraBlack | /bin/umount /opt should say "umount: cannot umount /opt: Device or resource busy" |
| 06:25.11 | ultraBlack | In the case that the vfs is mounted |
| 06:25.12 | destinal | well, not the way the code works |
| 06:25.15 | tmzt | there's a syntax for loop in fstab rigth? |
| 06:25.32 | destinal | in the service, I think he's just taking the numeric return code |
| 06:25.36 | tmzt | lsof |grep /opt should tell you why it's busy |
| 06:25.37 | ultraBlack | destinal: Can you explain why luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version { |
| 06:25.37 | ultraBlack | } |
| 06:25.46 | ultraBlack | luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version {} |
| 06:25.56 | ultraBlack | yields only the same error message as the other methods? |
| 06:26.08 | ultraBlack | I Know Why it's busy |
| 06:26.16 | ultraBlack | SSH. |
| 06:26.27 | ultraBlack | Not worried about that right now. Worried about making my service work. |
| 06:26.31 | destinal | ultraBlack: I don't know, I'd have to download and install the service to figure out what's up with the message passing |
| 06:27.06 | ultraBlack | destinal: ...would you mind? |
| 06:28.24 | ultraBlack | http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.optloopservice |
| 06:28.55 | ultraBlack | But that's rwhitby's skeleton. The problem COULD be in the version I have now, but I didn't change much and it compiles fine, so I don't think it's that. All I really did was add a method to test with. |
| 06:29.05 | destinal | never actually installed a 3rd party service |
| 06:29.08 | ultraBlack | version() |
| 06:29.34 | ultraBlack | destinal: Oh.... |
| 06:29.49 | destinal | plugins I've worked a lot with, services not so much |
| 06:30.13 | destinal | what's the proper way to install one manually? |
| 06:30.33 | ultraBlack | This is what I was told: |
| 06:30.40 | ultraBlack | <egaudet> the .jar goes in /usr/lib/luna/java/ |
| 06:30.40 | ultraBlack | <egaudet> the .service goes in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/ |
| 06:30.40 | ultraBlack | /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://your.service.name/method {parameters} |
| 06:31.07 | ultraBlack | You have to reboot before you do that luna-send, though. |
| 06:31.57 | egaudet | si |
| 06:32.04 | ultraBlack | So in my case it would be /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/mount {} for mounting |
| 06:32.22 | egaudet | is that git what you are working with? |
| 06:32.31 | ultraBlack | Yup. :D |
| 06:32.39 | egaudet | ok i debug now |
| 06:32.44 | ultraBlack | Hehe. |
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| 06:37.57 | egaudet | what is $ReturnResult.class |
| 06:39.44 | egaudet | ok well the git works for me (no version method) |
| 06:39.52 | egaudet | root@castle:/var/home/root# /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.op |
| 06:39.52 | egaudet | tloopservice/version {} |
| 06:39.52 | egaudet | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"errorCode":"ErrorGenericUnknownMethod", "errorText":"Unknown Method"} |
| 06:41.04 | egaudet | root@castle:/var/home/root# /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.op |
| 06:41.04 | egaudet | tloopservice/mount {} |
| 06:41.04 | egaudet | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"return":0} |
| 06:41.58 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Do you have SSH on your Pre? |
| 06:42.04 | egaudet | yea |
| 06:42.40 | ultraBlack | But you don't have /opt on loopback. |
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| 06:49.00 | ultraBlack | egaudet: That makes no sense. Why would it let you mount when you have nothing /to/ mount? |
| 06:51.33 | egaudet | i don't know what it's doing, i just ran it |
| 06:52.04 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Smart. =P |
| 06:52.15 | egaudet | heh |
| 06:52.35 | egaudet | so if it doesn't work for you... blame windows |
| 06:53.44 | egaudet | lol, so you take that from the git clone and it doesn't work for you |
| 06:54.00 | egaudet | do a sanity check ls -l /var/lib/luna/java/ |
| 06:54.06 | egaudet | errr |
| 06:54.10 | egaudet | ls -l /usr/lib/luna/java |
| 06:54.10 | ultraBlack | No gimme a sec. I'm going to. |
| 06:54.15 | egaudet | ls -l /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services |
| 06:55.27 | ultraBlack | And hey, it's there. I'm using WinSCP I CAN SEE IT! :P |
| 06:57.48 | destinal | ultraBlack: you don't need an /opt on loopback for it to work, most of us have /opt in fstab as a bind mount |
| 06:58.00 | destinal | which this would work just fine to mount / unmount it |
| 06:58.06 | ultraBlack | destinal: That is true. |
| 07:00.05 | ultraBlack | Now git isn't working for me. |
| 07:00.12 | ultraBlack | I do blame Windows |
| 07:00.25 | ultraBlack | Receiving objects: 21% (459/2146), 603.99 KiB | 190 KiB/s |
| 07:00.35 | egaudet | lol |
| 07:00.41 | ultraBlack | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedlyiB | 7 KiB/s |
| 07:00.41 | ultraBlack | fatal: early EOF |
| 07:00.41 | ultraBlack | fatal: index-pack failed |
| 07:01.00 | egaudet | I'm gonna give up on this screen control |
| 07:01.20 | egaudet | they have it locked somehow that I cant figure out right now |
| 07:01.35 | egaudet | I tried to mimic the camera app's service call to no avail |
| 07:07.58 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Did you move the OptLoopService.java before you built with Ant? |
| 07:09.25 | egaudet | no |
| 07:09.37 | egaudet | i did a git pull, and then ant clean build jar |
| 07:19.16 | ultraBlack | Now we're making progress. A real error message: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"errorCode": "ErrorGenericMethodException", "errorText": "You fail!"} |
| 07:19.21 | ultraBlack | That looks like it worked. |
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| 07:20.21 | ultraBlack | egaudet: See above. Thank you for being patient and being in general just a real cool dude. If you are a dude; I never asked your gender. Anyway, off to bed for me. Good night to you my love.. <3 :o Friggin' amazing thanks again |
| 07:35.47 | destinal | uh.. wow |
| 07:36.04 | Eguy | lol |
| 07:36.09 | Eguy | yes |
| 07:36.13 | Eguy | weird indeed |
| 07:36.32 | destinal | also as a random aside, there's probably a better error message to return than "You fail!" |
| 07:36.37 | destinal | just a hunch |
| 07:37.04 | button | eh, it got the point across |
| 07:37.23 | Eguy | He isn't here anymore destinal |
| 07:37.26 | destinal | yeah but when the actual error the service calls could be returned, that's even better |
| 07:37.47 | destinal | Eguy: wasn't talking to him as he didn't write the service |
| 07:37.55 | Eguy | ah |
| 07:45.35 | egaudet | yea display/control hates me! |
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| 07:47.07 | ultraBlack | egaudet: Just to clarify, it works. It works beautifully. I don't know why. |
| 07:47.56 | egaudet | cool... |
| 07:48.19 | egaudet | Awesome at least someone got something working tonight |
| 07:52.18 | CIA-29 | Destinal wiki * r4056 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd - created new page for the beginnings of some research into the hidd human interface device daemon |
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| 07:58.06 | egaudet | WOW PALM |
| 07:58.08 | egaudet | just f'ing WOW |
| 07:58.18 | edektor | egaudet: huh? |
| 07:58.30 | egaudet | You cannot use their display services unless your app id starts with com.palm.app |
| 07:59.02 | edektor | yeah there are tons of services I have come across that I can use |
| 07:59.43 | egaudet | can or can't? |
| 07:59.46 | egaudet | like what |
| 07:59.53 | edektor | sorry cant |
| 08:00.07 | edektor | like services for access the mediaDB |
| 08:00.33 | egaudet | name your app com.palm.app |
| 08:00.45 | egaudet | com.palm.app.trickedya |
| 08:00.45 | edektor | I know.. |
| 08:00.57 | egaudet | is this documented somewhere? |
| 08:01.14 | edektor | no those services arenet documented |
| 08:01.51 | edektor | but I dont think palm will let you submit to them if your id is com.palm |
| 08:01.51 | egaudet | I mean within webos-internals, has it been documented that the name of the app must begin with com.palm.whatever |
| 08:02.01 | egaudet | that's fine, this is homebrew love right now |
| 08:02.25 | edektor | oh I dont know.. You'd have to ask them. I havent been here for a while |
| 08:07.10 | egaudet | you knew the name restriction already? |
| 08:13.35 | edektor | No i didnt know about the name restriction.. But i knew there was something blocking the service |
| 08:19.26 | rwhitby | edektor: what we do is call it com.palm.org.webosinternals.foo |
| 08:19.38 | egaudet | wahoooooo |
| 08:19.44 | egaudet | we knew about this restriction rwhitby ? |
| 08:19.48 | rwhitby | yep |
| 08:20.00 | egaudet | son of a **** |
| 08:20.18 | Eguy | ah rwhitby is back |
| 08:20.18 | rwhitby | I'm sure it's in the IRC logs somewhere, amongst all the off-topic stuff like everyone was talking about earlier ... |
| 08:20.20 | egaudet | i been bashing my head off a wall today trying to figure out why the heck i couldn't use the display service |
| 08:20.21 | egaudet | lol |
| 08:20.30 | Eguy | how was the party? |
| 08:20.51 | rwhitby | Eguy: great - I dropped my son off, and then did some gadget shopping for myslef. |
| 08:20.58 | AgentSmith | sounds fun |
| 08:22.01 | Eguy | lol yeah |
| 08:22.10 | Eguy | you missed some major offtopic chat in here |
| 08:22.20 | rwhitby | I just read it in the logs ... |
| 08:22.23 | Eguy | Get anything good? |
| 08:22.52 | rwhitby | got a flexible car adapter thingo for my ipod for $1 |
| 08:23.28 | rwhitby | I'll have to hack the holder, cause it's got the offset plug and I've got a 3g nano with the central plug |
| 08:23.35 | Eguy | haha |
| 08:23.56 | rwhitby | but all the electronics should be fine, and the flexible thing on a car plug is handy in it's own right. |
| 08:24.42 | rwhitby | was looking at the SMC skype phone, but I need to see whether the firmware can be hacked to do normal SIP before laying down the cash for it. |
| 08:24.52 | Eguy | Very discriptive there haha |
| 08:25.38 | egaudet | whats the command to get the filename from a path, opposite of dirname |
| 08:26.22 | egaudet | ahh basename |
| 08:26.28 | rwhitby | yeah, I thought I'd remembered correctly: http://spritesmods.com/?art=wskpsip&f=had - I should have bought the thing. |
| 08:27.35 | Eguy | I just use my webcam mic for skype :P |
| 08:28.13 | rwhitby | oh, I want a cheap wifi SIP phone, not a skype phone. |
| 08:29.25 | Eguy | ah |
| 08:29.29 | Eguy | my mistake |
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| 08:32.18 | examancer | anyone know how to copy and paste in the emulator or know if you even can? |
| 08:32.48 | Eguy | put one finger on your computer screen and hit c |
| 08:33.01 | Eguy | and v |
| 08:33.48 | examancer | heh |
| 08:33.52 | examancer | funny |
| 08:34.03 | Eguy | :) |
| 08:34.12 | Eguy | Seriously though, I don't think you can |
| 08:34.17 | examancer | damn |
| 08:34.19 | examancer | oh well |
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| 08:37.01 | newman314 | ello? |
| 08:37.04 | Eguy | unless it is in the documentation and I missed it |
| 08:38.43 | examancer | i went and tried to hold a left click on the emulator window just in case you were joking |
| 08:38.54 | examancer | wasn't quite gullable enough to actually put my finger on the screen though |
| 08:38.59 | Eguy | hahahahaha |
| 08:39.31 | destinal | rwhitby: yeah I remember that re sip on the skype phone, I think you had to cut some small bits out but it worked fine |
| 08:39.47 | destinal | rwhitby: before too long you can have SIP on your pre, so don't sweat it :) |
| 08:39.49 | egaudet | com.palm.org.webos... |
| 08:40.43 | Eguy | The Pre will be unbelievable in 1 year |
| 08:40.54 | Eguy | it will run crysis |
| 08:41.13 | destinal | Eguy: lol |
| 08:41.23 | Eguy | :) |
| 08:41.39 | bhuey | it's already a pretty amazing platform without the apps |
| 08:42.16 | Eguy | yeah |
| 08:42.23 | Eguy | A little slow though |
| 08:42.35 | Eguy | well slow for us impatient folk |
| 08:42.41 | destinal | Eguy: if anything drives me off of luna it'll be the chugging |
| 08:44.22 | Eguy | crysis really is amazing though if you have a card that can run it in max |
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| 09:11.04 | newman314 | I cant believe I only just got around to installing filecoaster |
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| 09:44.48 | FreeTim3 | havent tried it - is it cool ? |
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| 10:57.09 | CIA-29 | rwhitby * r10542 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/quilt.mk sources/quilt/quilt-lite.patch) - quilt-lite: Created a version of quilt which does not depend on perl. |
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| 11:17.37 | lunareclipse | morning guys |
| 11:19.24 | czarphanguye | lunareclipse: gm |
| 11:19.43 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 11:23.43 | rboatright_home | good morning all |
| 11:23.47 | rboatright_home | off to pdc Kansas City |
| 11:23.53 | rboatright_home | poof |
| 11:27.32 | lunareclipse | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.13 | gkatsev | rwhitby: isnt it more like goodnight for you? |
| 11:37.28 | rwhitby | ~ugt |
| 11:37.29 | infobot | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:37.52 | gkatsev | heh |
| 11:38.44 | gkatsev | i dont want my ass laminated, its waterproof as it is |
| 11:40.59 | gkatsev | well, time to get ready, boston PDC is in an hour and a half |
| 11:50.00 | jcrawford | morning guys |
| 11:50.15 | jcrawford | gkatsev: you are going now? I thought you weren't |
| 11:50.21 | jcrawford | i will be there around 11-11:30 |
| 11:50.28 | jcrawford | have to take the T and wait for the sitter at 10 :) |
| 12:02.41 | rwhitby | gkatsev: boston pdc starts in 1.5 hours? |
| 12:23.43 | jcrawford | why would i get this guys? |
| 12:23.47 | jcrawford | http://pastie.org/576522 |
| 12:25.52 | tmzt | your fs is read only or full |
| 12:25.57 | tmzt | is usually the cause |
| 12:26.05 | jcrawford | hmm |
| 12:26.21 | jcrawford | 55gb free |
| 12:26.46 | jcrawford | not read only |
| 12:26.47 | jcrawford | drwxr-xr-x 26 jcrawford staff 884B Aug 8 08:23 Speed Download |
| 12:27.35 | tmzt | spaces? |
| 12:27.48 | tmzt | I guess you could strace it |
| 12:27.53 | jcrawford | nope |
| 12:27.56 | tmzt | but we know what the error is, just not the cause |
| 12:28.01 | jcrawford | how do i strace it? |
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| 12:36.43 | rwhitby | jcrawford: is that on a Mac? |
| 12:37.20 | rwhitby | for some reason, then native 'ar' on a Mac does not unpack ipkg files correctly. |
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| 12:38.33 | jcrawford | rwhitby: yes i am on a mac |
| 12:38.34 | jcrawford | damn |
| 12:38.37 | jcrawford | ok so hmm |
| 12:38.40 | PuffTheMagic | morning |
| 12:38.45 | jcrawford | morning PuffTheMagic |
| 12:39.06 | rwhitby | jcrawford: I use a Ubuntu 8.04 server install inside VirtualBox to do all my packaging work |
| 12:39.54 | jcrawford | hmm i might have to do the same |
| 12:40.00 | jcrawford | not sure how to add an OS to virtualbox though lol |
| 12:40.29 | rwhitby | jcrawford: create a new virtual machine, attach the ubuntu server iso to it, and do a normal ubuntu install |
| 12:40.43 | jcrawford | will do now |
| 12:41.12 | jcrawford | do i need server or will desktop do? |
| 12:41.16 | jcrawford | not sure of the differences |
| 12:42.25 | tmzt | server is smaller |
| 12:42.31 | jcrawford | ok |
| 12:42.35 | tmzt | as you don't get X, but you don't need it |
| 12:43.02 | jcrawford | ah |
| 12:43.08 | jcrawford | i may want x lol |
| 12:43.09 | jcrawford | eventually |
| 12:43.17 | jcrawford | but guessing i can install that through the package manager |
| 12:43.21 | PuffTheMagic | server is just smaller to start |
| 12:43.27 | PuffTheMagic | but can add repos |
| 12:43.31 | PuffTheMagic | and end up with the same setup |
| 12:53.50 | jcrawford | rwhitby: can you drag & drop files from virtualbox installs? |
| 12:54.52 | rwhitby | I just nfs mount a spare case-sensitive drive from the mac onto the ubuntu virtual machine |
| 12:55.02 | rwhitby | s/spare/sparse/ |
| 12:56.03 | jcrawford | not sure how to do all that lol |
| 12:59.10 | PuffTheMagic | virtualbox has a feature built in |
| 12:59.22 | PuffTheMagic | to map a local folder into virtuabox |
| 12:59.31 | PuffTheMagic | so u can use that to move files back and forth |
| 12:59.42 | PuffTheMagic | you dont need to worry about samba or anything |
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| 13:00.28 | jcrawford | cool |
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| 13:06.43 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: unfortunately, vboxsf does not support symlinks |
| 13:06.49 | rwhitby | so I use nfs instead |
| 13:09.11 | PuffTheMagic | i've never have done anything special like that over vbox |
| 13:09.14 | rwhitby | quilt-lite seems to be working fine for importing, applying, refreshing, and removing patches. |
| 13:09.16 | PuffTheMagic | usually just quick small things |
| 13:13.15 | PuffTheMagic | do you guys have an icon for the app catalog |
| 13:14.41 | rwhitby | for the preware app? not that I know of. |
| 13:22.56 | jcrawford | hah i will just use DropBox, very slick if you don't already have it, it is worth having, free 2gb: https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTgyNjY0NDk |
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| 13:23.20 | jcrawford | if you do signup please use that link as I will get added storage free :) so will you |
| 13:24.01 | rwhitby | vbox shared folders will do everything that does for you, quicker and with less internet traffic. |
| 13:24.23 | jcrawford | yes true... but it's nice to have installed at the office/home/laptop :) |
| 13:24.31 | jcrawford | can access the files anywhere |
| 13:26.41 | jcrawford | how do i make my default view on ubuntu be the list view and not icon view in the file browser?> |
| 13:27.00 | rwhitby | doesn't use Linux GUIs, so has no idea. |
| 13:27.10 | jcrawford | lol |
| 13:27.12 | jcrawford | uber geek :D |
| 13:27.33 | jcrawford | aight i have to get ready to head to PDC Boston, see everyone later |
| 13:27.36 | rwhitby | my interface to most Linux machines I own is an ssh window. |
| 13:27.59 | jcrawford | :D |
| 13:28.10 | rwhitby | usually running emacs inside it ;-) |
| 13:29.10 | jcrawford | shower bbl |
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| 13:40.57 | gkatsev | jcrawford: yeah, im going. and there |
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| 14:07.03 | FreeTim3 | what is precamp |
| 14:07.19 | FreeTim3 | Greetings - from PalmPrecamp - Boston :) |
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| 15:15.32 | meshuga | who's going to predevcamp? |
| 15:16.41 | rwhitby | meshuga: it's on now in #predevcamp |
| 15:24.34 | rwhitby | has worked out why the git package is so big |
| 15:24.58 | rwhitby | hardlinks in the build don't turn out as hardlinks in the ipkg, so the same executable is duplicated many times |
| 15:26.14 | bpadalino | good sleuthing |
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| 15:38.24 | meshuga | oh ok |
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| 15:59.00 | PuffTheMagic | hmmm |
| 15:59.10 | PuffTheMagic | my service isnt working that well though mojo |
| 15:59.10 | PuffTheMagic | wtf |
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| 16:07.23 | tlz | somebody stole ur mojo! |
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| 16:11.43 | CIA-29 | rwhitby * r10543 optware/trunk/sources/git/Makefile.patch - git: do symlinks cause hardlinks don't travel well in ipkgs |
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| 16:13.26 | CIA-29 | rwhitby * r10544 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/quilt.mk) - quilt: fold quilt-lite back into quilt makefile |
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| 16:14.15 | CIA-29 | rwhitby * r10545 optware/trunk/make/git.mk - git: create git-lite package |
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| 16:18.16 | branded | good morning fellas... anyone ever compile an optware package? |
| 16:18.24 | branded | found this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware |
| 16:18.31 | branded | would like to port a vpn client :D |
| 16:18.39 | rwhitby | branded: compiling a couple right now in fact |
| 16:18.42 | branded | should be extremely difficult |
| 16:18.48 | branded | cool, is that a good guide? |
| 16:18.54 | rwhitby | yep, that's the guide. |
| 16:18.59 | branded | i have little idea what i'm doing, but I can try |
| 16:19.03 | branded | cool, i'll take a look |
| 16:19.04 | rwhitby | branded: which vpn client? |
| 16:19.08 | branded | fortigate |
| 16:19.10 | branded | ssl |
| 16:19.23 | rwhitby | source url? |
| 16:19.32 | branded | oh... oh yea |
| 16:19.42 | branded | :'( |
| 16:20.02 | rwhitby | armel binaries anywhere? |
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| 16:20.09 | branded | yea! |
| 16:20.14 | branded | i wonder if they're violating GPL anyway |
| 16:20.17 | branded | let's see... |
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| 16:24.59 | branded | http://www.divshare.com/download/8127843-415 |
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| 16:26.44 | branded | Any hope on a remote desktop client? |
| 16:28.00 | PuffTheMagic | how do i get all the keys of a json object in javascript? |
| 16:30.20 | CIA-29 | bzhou * r10546 optware/trunk/make/imagemagick.mk - imagemagick: 6.5.2-4 -> 6.5.4-9 |
| 16:30.25 | rwhitby | branded: is that an x86 binary? |
| 16:30.51 | branded | i would guess, yes it is |
| 16:31.04 | branded | :/ |
| 16:31.36 | branded | oh arm |
| 16:31.38 | branded | right |
| 16:31.41 | branded | damn |
| 16:31.48 | rwhitby | gonna need armel binaries (e.g. for an n800) for any remote chance at it working. |
| 16:32.38 | branded | right right |
| 16:32.54 | branded | humm... what kind of interoperability do ssl vpns usually have? |
| 16:32.56 | branded | none, right? |
| 16:33.10 | rwhitby | dunno, I usually use openvpn |
| 16:34.10 | branded | ahh... the server is the native fortigate |
| 16:34.21 | branded | oh well... i'll look in that direction a little bit more |
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| 16:41.39 | branded | rwhitby: i'm curious if the linux client is actually java... and if so, can it be run on webos? does it have enough power? |
| 16:41.55 | rwhitby | branded: dunno |
| 16:42.10 | branded | humm... okay |
| 16:42.14 | branded | just throwing stuff out there |
| 16:42.32 | destinal-zzzz | branded: oh, an SSL VPN? |
| 16:43.03 | destinal | branded: I know that someone has made an f5 vpn client work, which I think is an ssl vpn concentrator |
| 16:43.24 | branded | wow cool |
| 16:43.51 | branded | yea... i mean, there's an ipsec tunnel configured also, but I'd rather use sslvpn |
| 16:44.13 | destinal | branded: cvpn, openvpn, and a few others are known to work |
| 16:44.14 | branded | there's definitely an ipsec vpn client that runs on arm, right? |
| 16:44.20 | branded | cool cool |
| 16:44.40 | branded | for now, i'll drag around my netbook and use my tether :) |
| 16:45.00 | branded | need a remote desktop client to do much of anything anyway (because we're windows) |
| 16:45.18 | branded | looks like fortigate does have a java client |
| 16:45.20 | destinal | branded: rdp and vnc are on my list, but it's a big list |
| 16:45.39 | branded | cool man! |
| 16:45.45 | destinal | and we don't have easy porting of graphical stuff yet, we need an adapter framework |
| 16:46.16 | destinal | or I guess some way to switch the display between luna and other programs |
| 16:46.39 | destinal | but I figure it should be possible to use a browser plugin to communicate with slightly modified directfb programs |
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| 16:50.42 | branded | that's a bit over my head, but i think i understand what you're saying :) |
| 16:51.05 | branded | luna is the "gui" platform? |
| 16:51.56 | branded | destinal: is there a jre for arm? :D |
| 16:52.17 | destinal | branded: the pre already runs java code, most of the system services are java |
| 16:52.27 | branded | oh wow |
| 16:52.38 | branded | so, i could try to load the java ssl vpn client? |
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| 17:00.06 | destinal | branded: absolutely |
| 17:00.40 | branded | humm... is there support for java applets in the web browser? |
| 17:00.43 | destinal | the only issue is it could be an applet instead of an application |
| 17:00.49 | destinal | no applet support |
| 17:00.53 | branded | :( |
| 17:01.01 | branded | because fortigate has an applet for rdp |
| 17:01.06 | branded | hah |
| 17:01.11 | branded | well, there goes that |
| 17:01.24 | branded | humm... no applet support anywhere? |
| 17:01.35 | destinal | no, you might be able to write a wrapper and fake it |
| 17:01.42 | destinal | you won't get GUI support though |
| 17:01.52 | branded | so applets need the browser? |
| 17:02.09 | destinal | branded: right, and the browser in luna doesn't have java support |
| 17:02.09 | branded | (sorry for my lack of knowledge) |
| 17:02.17 | branded | i see i see |
| 17:02.18 | branded | too bad |
| 17:02.22 | destinal | tall the java application stuff is done on the linux system |
| 17:02.30 | destinal | s/tal/al/ |
| 17:02.49 | destinal | but you could write a service that calls functions of the applet |
| 17:02.59 | destinal | if it can do network level stuff as opposed to just browser |
| 17:03.36 | branded | so i could establish the connection, then use something like ssh or telnet to access the systems i want to access |
| 17:03.44 | branded | but obviously no remote desktop gui |
| 17:03.46 | branded | ? |
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| 17:03.52 | destinal | that is if it has linux support for creating a tunnel |
| 17:03.58 | destinal | as opposed to only working through the browser |
| 17:04.37 | destinal | when you connect on a regular linux box can you access the remote network from the command line? |
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| 17:08.16 | branded | destinal: sorry for the delayed re... never connected with a linux box :) |
| 17:08.28 | branded | i'll check it out... i don't even think i have a vm |
| 17:08.34 | branded | humm... i'll check that out |
| 17:08.56 | branded | what's the lightest live CD? |
| 17:09.03 | branded | or a really light vm |
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| 17:09.13 | branded | ...image that you can recommend? |
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| 17:16.05 | destinal | hmm, the ubuntu install cd works as a livecd too |
| 17:16.15 | destinal | it's not light though |
| 17:16.48 | destinal | for light, try damn small linux I guess, hopefully it has enough stuff to get your vpn going |
| 17:17.31 | destinal | if not, the ubuntu cd isn't that big a download, are you concerned about download time or space requirements or cpu / memory or.. |
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| 17:22.09 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: gentoo livecd is nice and small |
| 17:22.10 | PuffTheMagic | or |
| 17:22.14 | PuffTheMagic | use sysrescucd |
| 17:22.19 | PuffTheMagic | that is beautiful |
| 17:22.26 | PuffTheMagic | i use that to install gentoo sometimes |
| 17:22.32 | PuffTheMagic | its based on a gentoo livecd |
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| 17:22.35 | PuffTheMagic | buts updated more often |
| 17:22.57 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 17:23.19 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: I think he needs an X11 gui, java jre and ability to install like firefox or something |
| 17:23.50 | PuffTheMagic | does that that have to do with a livecd |
| 17:23.55 | PuffTheMagic | and why does a livecd have to be light |
| 17:24.07 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: yeah his livecd needs to have one or he needs to install in a VM for instance |
| 17:24.18 | destinal | he wanted to test SSL vpn stuff in linux |
| 17:24.34 | PuffTheMagic | so install ubuntu |
| 17:24.39 | PuffTheMagic | where does a livecd come in |
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| 17:25.15 | destinal | I don't think he wanted to keep it |
| 17:25.25 | destinal | of course a VM would work too I imagine |
| 17:25.29 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 17:25.35 | PuffTheMagic | still dont need a livecd |
| 17:25.42 | destinal | virtualbox ftw |
| 17:25.49 | rwhitby | destinal: +1 |
| 17:26.02 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: this service is pissing me off |
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| 17:43.15 | jcrawford | wooo nebula thinks he is cool as he is an @ wooo |
| 17:44.05 | jcrawford | i have rwhitby on my side :D |
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| 17:46.15 | jcrawford | kick #webos-internals nebula |
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| 17:46.47 | jcrawford | ahaha |
| 17:46.52 | jcrawford | wrong command |
| 17:46.58 | jcrawford | chanserv hates you nebula "D |
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| 17:47.16 | nebula | bah |
| 17:49.59 | gkatsev | slaps jcrawford and nebula around with a large trout |
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| 17:50.52 | nebula | throws the trout back in the pond. 1 trout saved. |
| 17:51.27 | destinal | trout++ |
| 17:51.58 | jcrawford | yawn |
| 17:52.02 | jcrawford | we need more beer |
| 17:52.08 | PuffTheMagic | ++ |
| 17:52.12 | PuffTheMagic | that sounds like a good idea |
| 17:52.28 | jcrawford | puff you should have come to Boston :D |
| 17:53.07 | jcrawford | we drank lunch today |
| 17:53.07 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 17:53.07 | PuffTheMagic | is that for a predevcamp? |
| 17:53.07 | nebula | food what? |
| 17:53.07 | jcrawford | what else? |
| 17:53.13 | nebula | it was to keep our brains moving along |
| 17:53.22 | jcrawford | or slowing down as in nebula's case |
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| 17:53.26 | PuffTheMagic | was.... its over already? |
| 17:53.30 | PuffTheMagic | its only 2pm |
| 17:53.32 | PuffTheMagic | not even |
| 17:53.47 | nebula | over? |
| 17:53.48 | jcrawford | beer is done for now i guess |
| 17:53.53 | nebula | 12PM beeer run |
| 17:53.55 | jcrawford | cant have it here in the liubrary |
| 17:53.57 | nebula | another at 4:30 |
| 17:54.10 | jcrawford | although i would like to see thier face when we tried to carry in a 30 pack |
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| 17:55.04 | PuffTheMagic | is this proper json format? |
| 17:55.05 | PuffTheMagic | {"com.boatrights.prechess":{"version":"0.0.01"}} |
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| 18:00.44 | zomg | PuffTheMagic: looks correct to me |
| 18:00.57 | PuffTheMagic | why is this not working then |
| 18:01.28 | zomg | define "not working" |
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| 18:08.05 | PuffTheMagic | zomg: i wrote a service to talk to ipkg, i write a main function so i could test it on my desktop i printed out he jsonobjects and i get valid looking strings |
| 18:08.10 | PuffTheMagic | when i test it using mojo |
| 18:08.15 | PuffTheMagic | everything seems to be undefined |
| 18:08.42 | zomg | how are you loading the json? |
| 18:08.58 | egaudet|Away | you using onSuccess? |
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| 18:10.01 | ark3qqq | Where does Mojo.Log.info(...) go on device? |
| 18:10.45 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet|Away: onSuccess and onFail both point to the same callback |
| 18:10.53 | PuffTheMagic | if i do console.log(payload); |
| 18:10.55 | PuffTheMagic | i get [object Object] |
| 18:10.58 | PuffTheMagic | but if i do |
| 18:11.06 | PuffTheMagic | consonle.log(payload.returnVal); |
| 18:11.09 | PuffTheMagic | i get undefined |
| 18:11.46 | egaudet|Away | is returnVal set up in the ipkg service method you are calling? |
| 18:12.12 | egaudet|Away | you see returnVal blah in the log though hmmm |
| 18:12.30 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 18:12.48 | PuffTheMagic | JSONObject reply = new JSONObject(); |
| 18:12.48 | PuffTheMagic | reply.put("returnVal",ret.returnValue); |
| 18:12.48 | PuffTheMagic | return reply; |
| 18:13.12 | PuffTheMagic | when i dump that object out in java i get {"returnVal":0} |
| 18:13.22 | PuffTheMagic | so it "should" work |
| 18:13.38 | egaudet|Away | don't you need msg.respond? |
| 18:14.08 | egaudet|Away | in the service |
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| 18:18.21 | egaudet | i gotta run to the mechanic, i'll be back |
| 18:18.25 | PuffTheMagic | oops wrong function |
| 18:18.35 | PuffTheMagic | msg.respond(reply.toString()); |
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| 18:21.32 | egaudet | so in the js, in your onSuccess() function you dump the obj right, but can't get to its element with obj.returnVal |
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| 18:24.44 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: essentially |
| 18:24.48 | PuffTheMagic | unless i cant use console.log() |
| 18:24.58 | PuffTheMagic | maybe i need to cast it or something |
| 18:25.03 | PuffTheMagic | are there casts in js? |
| 18:25.59 | egaudet | console.log(obj.returnVal.toString()) |
| 18:26.15 | egaudet | log take a string? and since it returns 0, 0 as a string is undefined/null? |
| 18:26.52 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i had text mixed in |
| 18:27.20 | PuffTheMagic | like console.log("\n\n\n!!!!!!!!!!!"+payload.returnVal+"!!!!!!!!!!\n\n\n"); |
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| 18:28.17 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: shouldnt i be able to dump the whole object |
| 18:28.31 | PuffTheMagic | and get something like {"returnVal":0} |
| 18:28.33 | egaudet | yea i thought you said you could? |
| 18:30.59 | egaudet | are you binding your callback? |
| 18:31.06 | egaudet | onSuccess: this.callback.bind(this) |
| 18:31.24 | PuffTheMagic | yeah the call back is being called |
| 18:31.29 | PuffTheMagic | but something is up with the payload |
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| 18:32.36 | egaudet | where does console.log go |
| 18:33.00 | PuffTheMagic | stdout |
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| 18:33.17 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i have LunaSysMgr in forground |
| 18:33.20 | PuffTheMagic | so i can see the output |
| 18:33.28 | egaudet | ahh how'd ya do that |
| 18:34.53 | destinal | egaudet: initctl stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr |
| 18:35.21 | destinal | (stops the background one started by upstart and starts it again in fg) |
| 18:35.31 | egaudet | yup awesome |
| 18:36.03 | egaudet | thanks |
| 18:36.25 | PuffTheMagic | hmmm i think i might have an idea why this aint working |
| 18:36.30 | PuffTheMagic | makes some method static |
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| 18:38.07 | PuffTheMagic | naa that be it |
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| 18:39.52 | egaudet | working now? |
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| 18:42.11 | PuffTheMagic | no i have no idea what is wrong |
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| 18:43.42 | CIA-29 | Templarian wiki * r4072 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PreDevCamp - created pages for links |
| 18:43.58 | egaudet | what does the luna-send of the service method look like? |
| 18:44.03 | egaudet | looks like you expect? |
| 18:44.06 | PuffTheMagic | oh yeah |
| 18:44.10 | PuffTheMagic | forget to test it like that :D |
| 18:44.13 | PuffTheMagic | good call |
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| 18:45.03 | egaudet | :D |
| 18:45.43 | PuffTheMagic | # luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/update {} |
| 18:45.43 | PuffTheMagic | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnVal":0} |
| 18:45.45 | egaudet | and on an aside, i'm getting weird behavior in accelservice. I call the setPollFreq() and it does it correctly, but Luna is printing the respondError() message from that routine |
| 18:46.02 | egaudet | hmmmm |
| 18:46.16 | Templarian | CIA-29: I also linked it at the front of the wiki. |
| 18:46.27 | PuffTheMagic | luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/list {} |
| 18:46.27 | PuffTheMagic | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"org.webosinternals.breakout":{"version":"0.0.5","description":"Breakout"},"org.webosinternals.preware":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"Preware"},"com.airkrft.sandbox":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"Test"},"org.webos-internals.devtools":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"DevTools"},"org.webosinternals.helloplugin":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"Hello Plugin"}} |
| 18:46.35 | PuffTheMagic | the service is working |
| 18:46.45 | PuffTheMagic | but someone stole my mojo |
| 18:46.46 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 18:47.02 | egaudet | lol |
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| 18:48.20 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: but that output isnt right |
| 18:48.30 | PuffTheMagic | its like there is a path issue or something |
| 18:48.51 | egaudet | what do you mean isn't right |
| 18:49.07 | PuffTheMagic | when i run /opt/bin/ipkg-opt list |
| 18:49.08 | PuffTheMagic | from cli |
| 18:49.12 | PuffTheMagic | i get a massice list |
| 18:49.17 | rawdaedfish | any app devs on today? i am looking to change the text of a command menu button and i'm not sure how to reference it, since it is not a div tag |
| 18:49.18 | PuffTheMagic | that is the output from my websites feed |
| 18:49.23 | PuffTheMagic | but i thought i removed that |
| 18:49.27 | PuffTheMagic | idk what that output is coming from |
| 18:49.28 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 18:49.45 | egaudet | you have rebooted since changing right |
| 18:49.53 | PuffTheMagic | yes |
| 18:50.57 | PuffTheMagic | this is so weird |
| 18:51.05 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: thanks for reminding me to use luna-send though |
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| 18:52.24 | egaudet | are you using the ipkgservice at top of tree? |
| 18:52.41 | PuffTheMagic | top of tree? |
| 18:52.48 | egaudet | git |
| 18:53.00 | egaudet | unmodified? |
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| 18:55.02 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: yeah |
| 18:55.07 | PuffTheMagic | what does luna-send talk to |
| 18:55.17 | PuffTheMagic | like how does it work if i kill LunaSysMgr |
| 18:56.06 | egaudet | doesn't it stop working? |
| 18:56.13 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 18:56.16 | PuffTheMagic | luna-send kept working |
| 18:56.40 | Decimation_ | hey guys |
| 18:57.30 | egaudet | working as in found the service and responded |
| 18:57.33 | PuffTheMagic | i have nfc where this output is comming from |
| 18:59.24 | egaudet | remove the service completely and verify it's gone then start again? |
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| 19:08.43 | A2NY | hello all |
| 19:11.22 | FreeTim_Boston | hey! How goes it |
| 19:12.24 | destinal | listening to Rick_ talk streaming from Kansas City Pre dev camp |
| 19:12.34 | destinal | http://predevcamp.org/live/ |
| 19:12.50 | rCerniglia | Has anyone done anything with UDP yet? |
| 19:13.07 | destinal | does mojo support it? |
| 19:13.28 | epv | discussion on the "official" forum says no |
| 19:13.42 | epv | or tcp or anything else for that matter :) |
| 19:13.48 | destinal | epv: then plugins or services will have to handle the low level protocols |
| 19:13.55 | epv | you can make http requests and nothing else, apparently |
| 19:13.56 | destinal | services preferably for most |
| 19:14.28 | epv | yeah, it seems like the official environment is so limited you pretty much need your own service to do anything |
| 19:15.07 | destinal | which is why palm will need a native sdk or homebrew will beat everything else |
| 19:15.12 | epv | yup |
| 19:15.18 | epv | i wonder which will happen |
| 19:16.09 | epv | the "right" thing might be to incorporate some of the homebrew world's improvements and make a native sdk.. the dumb thing would be to get militant about disallowing anything nonofficial... |
| 19:16.19 | epv | sadly corporations almost always do the dumb thing :) |
| 19:16.59 | bpadalino | well .. this is palm's last stand .. they can't really afford to be too bitchy |
| 19:17.01 | epv | of course, the app store is still empty, and that doesn't look good |
| 19:17.46 | epv | it'd be a shame to see android win :( |
| 19:17.53 | destinal | epv: they've reached out to early access devs to submit their stuff |
| 19:18.17 | bpadalino | it would have been too difficult to bring a Mojo and native SDK to market at the same time |
| 19:18.21 | destinal | epv: but they should have gone the google route and made a full sdk available way way before release and had app store running full tilt the first week |
| 19:18.24 | epv | yeah they have, but you have to wonder why there's still nothing new coming out of it? they first started weeks/months ago |
| 19:18.41 | epv | yeah destinal - that's absolutely what they should have done |
| 19:18.51 | bpadalino | epv, i am almost positive it has to do with "how do i keep my source a secret?" |
| 19:19.02 | epv | hmm |
| 19:19.24 | bpadalino | or "how will you stop piracy of my app?" |
| 19:19.55 | destinal | bpadalino: because apple has done so well at that? |
| 19:20.04 | epv | yeah, and the system doesn't seem to be engineered to work well in a more open environment, egeverything runs as root, no user perms, etc... |
| 19:20.10 | epv | though that could all be retrofitted probably |
| 19:20.21 | bpadalino | destinal, unfortunately apple doesn't care if it gets broken .. it's a warm and fuzzy for the developers |
| 19:20.38 | anthgar | How do you cleanly shut down an emulated Pre? |
| 19:21.26 | destinal | anthgar: it doesn't really need to be shutdown cleanly, but if you want to, you can ssh into it and shutdown |
| 19:21.36 | anthgar | ah, ok |
| 19:21.41 | bpadalino | destinal, moreover - while it's possible to pirate apps on the iphone .. it's still a somewhat involved process .. whereas nothing on the pre has been too involved |
| 19:22.01 | destinal | bpadalino: the point is, it's involved to rip it, not to download and install |
| 19:22.37 | destinal | bpadalino: it's the problem with any media, assume one guy is dedicated enough to rip it, than anyone can just consume, so making it hard didn't actually help in any practical way |
| 19:23.28 | bpadalino | i agree, restricting how the consumer can use something will always become circumvented |
| 19:23.50 | bpadalino | unfortunately, as a developer, it doesn't make good business sense to invest development dollars to 2 app sales |
| 19:23.56 | bpadalino | and a plethora of piracy |
| 19:23.59 | destinal | if everyone had to do the hard stuff it might make an impact, but they don't, one publisher, many consumers |
| 19:24.25 | bpadalino | i have a feeling obfuscators will be most of the answer .. |
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| 19:25.24 | bpadalino | and, quite possibly, better intermingling between apps ... |
| 19:25.43 | epv | it always seems to come down to a cat and mouse game... either lockdown/jailbreak or obfuscate/deobfuscate |
| 19:25.45 | bpadalino | no one steals gmail code ... or google reader .. right ? |
| 19:26.03 | bpadalino | i would love something more android-like .. where you can "embed" other apps API's ... |
| 19:26.14 | bpadalino | and call those apps functions out |
| 19:26.28 | bpadalino | similar to how maps are available to all apps |
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| 19:42.56 | egaudet | need git help, if i removed a file from my git tree, how do i get it back |
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| 19:45.51 | bpadalino | use git checkout |
| 19:45.57 | bpadalino | and tell git the revision you want |
| 19:46.24 | bpadalino | see here: http://n2.nabble.com/(beginner)-git-rm-td2231416.html |
| 19:46.27 | bpadalino | about 1/2 down |
| 19:48.10 | egaudet | thanks |
| 19:48.23 | egaudet | another question, how do I pass -Xlint to the javac compiler using ant/build.xml |
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| 19:49.32 | ultraBlack | How do I git push to gitorious? |
| 19:49.59 | bpadalino | egaudet: http://bobcat.webappcabaret.net/javachina/faq/ant_01.htm#ant_mid_Q100 - check that ? |
| 19:50.37 | bpadalino | ultraBlack, git push origin if you setup origin as your remote gitorious branch i think |
| 19:50.47 | ultraBlack | and rwhitby: for quilt-lite, libdb is dependent upon python. should i remove that? |
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| 19:51.30 | ultraBlack | $ git push git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications.git |
| 19:51.30 | ultraBlack | fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got 'â» |
| 19:51.30 | ultraBlack | ---------------------------------------------- |
| 19:51.30 | ultraBlack | The git:// url is read-only. Please see http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/app |
| 19:51.30 | ultraBlack | lications for the push url, if you're a committer. |
| 19:51.31 | ultraBlack | ------------------------------------ |
| 19:51.37 | ultraBlack | bpadalino: ^ |
| 19:51.51 | ultraBlack | do i need to use ssh? |
| 19:51.57 | bpadalino | no, are you a committer ? |
| 19:52.07 | ultraBlack | yeah rwhitby made me one |
| 19:52.32 | ultraBlack | err, but how do i login to gitorious through git |
| 19:52.39 | ultraBlack | git config? |
| 19:53.55 | bpadalino | you have the wrong repo location |
| 19:54.02 | bpadalino | Push url: git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/applications.git |
| 19:54.19 | ultraBlack | ah |
| 19:54.47 | ultraBlack | :X |
| 19:54.54 | ultraBlack | Putty said no authentication modes available |
| 19:55.04 | ultraBlack | and then |
| 19:55.04 | ultraBlack | $ git push git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/applications.git |
| 19:55.04 | ultraBlack | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 19:55.33 | bpadalino | did you manage your ssh keys ? |
| 19:55.46 | ultraBlack | no |
| 19:55.51 | bpadalino | add your ssh key .. |
| 19:55.56 | bpadalino | login to gitorious |
| 19:56.02 | ultraBlack | alright i am |
| 19:56.03 | bpadalino | go to your profile dealie |
| 19:56.07 | ultraBlack | yeah i know |
| 19:56.09 | bpadalino | ok |
| 19:56.13 | ultraBlack | i saw it |
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| 20:00.09 | ultraBlack | bpadalino: this was helpful http://gitorious.org/about/faq |
| 20:01.00 | bpadalino | i am sure it is very helpful |
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| 20:48.14 | dancrumb | hi all |
| 20:48.20 | dancrumb | i'm having problems installing optware |
| 20:48.23 | dancrumb | can someone help? |
| 20:49.02 | bpadalino | the wiki is pretty informative - have you followed those instructions ? |
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| 20:49.48 | dancrumb | yeah... the wiki says: to run sh optware-bootstrap.sh |
| 20:49.50 | dancrumb | which i did |
| 20:50.09 | dancrumb | and the error message says: Please paste the contents of /tmp/optware-bootstrap.sh.log to http://webos.pastebin.com/ |
| 20:50.09 | dancrumb | and seek help in the IRC channel #webos-internals. |
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| 20:50.39 | bpadalino | did you paste ? |
| 20:51.34 | dancrumb | yes |
| 20:51.45 | dancrumb | 'Dan Rumney' |
| 20:52.02 | dancrumb | whoops... let me fix it |
| 20:52.31 | dancrumb | ok... under 'dancrumb' |
| 20:52.45 | bpadalino | are you using your pre or the emulator ? |
| 20:52.57 | dancrumb | pre |
| 20:53.37 | bpadalino | it's trying to use the script for the emulator .. hdb and whatnot |
| 20:54.18 | bpadalino | which directions are you trying ? |
| 20:54.28 | dancrumb | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps |
| 20:56.18 | bpadalino | strange .. what's uname -m report ? |
| 20:56.44 | dancrumb | i686 |
| 20:56.56 | CIA-29 | Czechdev wiki * r4085 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Com_Palm_Appinstaller - Written the appinstaller summary |
| 20:56.59 | bpadalino | and you're installing it on your pre and not in the emu ? |
| 20:57.04 | anthgar | I think the emulated Pre doesn't have /dev/hdb |
| 20:57.23 | dancrumb | aaaaah |
| 20:57.30 | bpadalino | anthgar: right - which is why you need to follow the steps in bold .. |
| 20:57.32 | dancrumb | so... i had emu running |
| 20:57.34 | bpadalino | "If you're attempting to install these packages to your emulator, you must first add sufficient space by enabling a virtual disk. " |
| 20:57.36 | dancrumb | *and* pre connected |
| 20:57.41 | dancrumb | to it went to the emu |
| 20:57.47 | bpadalino | dancrumb: ah, novaterm can choose between the two .. |
| 20:57.55 | bpadalino | i think there is a novacom list command |
| 20:58.01 | dancrumb | yup |
| 20:58.03 | dancrumb | killed the emu |
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| 20:58.28 | dancrumb | ok |
| 20:58.29 | dancrumb | that works |
| 20:58.31 | dancrumb | thanks guys |
| 20:58.38 | bpadalino | good luck |
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| 21:06.25 | dancrumb | just SSHed into my pre! |
| 21:06.34 | dancrumb | thanks for your help bpadalino |
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| 21:11.01 | bpadalino | no problem |
| 21:16.36 | ultraBlack | I like git :] |
| 21:17.55 | bpadalino | it's definitely interesting |
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| 21:18.18 | ultraBlack | I'm still struggling at the command line, but I can see using the msysgit gui |
| 21:18.29 | ultraBlack | And I was able to use the command line to push, finally |
| 21:18.38 | ultraBlack | So I'm happy with it |
| 21:20.06 | ultraBlack | Nobody's here cause they're all at pre dev camp today? |
| 21:22.16 | bpadalino | apparently |
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| 21:27.25 | ultraBlack | Anyone want to help me figure out how to get my Java to execute ifs |
| 21:27.27 | ultraBlack | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_opt_on_loopback |
| 21:27.59 | ultraBlack | bash ifs I mean |
| 21:28.37 | bpadalino | bash ifs ? |
| 21:28.44 | ultraBlack | if [ "$FSINT" = "" ] |
| 21:28.44 | ultraBlack | then |
| 21:28.44 | ultraBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.44 | ultraBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.44 | ultraBlack | fi |
| 21:28.51 | ultraBlack | Like that one |
| 21:29.07 | bpadalino | that should work |
| 21:29.08 | zomg | I wonder what does Java have to do with bash scripts? |
| 21:29.08 | ultraBlack | All the stuff from the bash scripts needs to get translated to Java |
| 21:29.35 | bpadalino | you're re-writing the script in java ? |
| 21:29.38 | ultraBlack | Would FSINT=`/bin/df|/bin/grep "/dev/mapper/store-media"` |
| 21:29.38 | ultraBlack | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.47 | ultraBlack | Yeah I guess I have to |
| 21:29.51 | ultraBlack | Rewrite it |
| 21:29.52 | zomg | Can't you just execute the script in bash from Java and read the result =) |
| 21:29.54 | bpadalino | you have to rewrite it ? |
| 21:30.01 | ultraBlack | zomg: Ideally |
| 21:30.28 | ultraBlack | zomg: but it would probably create a security hole |
| 21:30.41 | ultraBlack | zomg: it all needs to be broken up |
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| 21:41.17 | ultraBlack | Templarian: You here? |
| 21:43.16 | Templarian | Yea. |
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| 21:46.05 | ultraBlack | Templarian: nvm.. |
| 21:46.41 | ultraBlack | templarian: its just that your komodo toolbox isn't working for me, i'll have to figure it out myself |
| 21:47.32 | Templarian | What's your OS I probably know the fix in 2 seconds. |
| 21:47.55 | Templarian | (it's fix is also listed on the website under troubleshooting hehe) |
| 21:48.08 | ultraBlack | vista |
| 21:48.31 | Templarian | I'm going to hardcode that fix in for OSX and Vista users. |
| 21:49.02 | Templarian | Just set the enviromental variables and it will work. |
| 21:49.17 | ultraBlack | i don't think that's it lemme check |
| 21:50.17 | Templarian | (the toolbox has no appinfo.json checks at all. The addon does) |
| 21:50.34 | ultraBlack | Templarian: My path is set correctly. The problem is probably with my apps. Everytime I load on the emulator I get a blank scene |
| 21:50.58 | ultraBlack | Also now Komodo isn't even letting me use your package and install to emulator macro |
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| 21:51.09 | ultraBlack | but it lets me remove an app from the emulator using the remove app from emulator macro |
| 21:51.29 | ultraBlack | addon? |
| 21:51.35 | gkatsev | Templarian: whats your latest and greatest that i can get? |
| 21:52.21 | ultraBlack | `palm-launch -d tcp togglevfs` returned 0 but no go on the emulator's side. doesn't install or anything |
| 21:52.45 | Templarian | Restart the emulator. |
| 21:52.49 | Templarian | (that's a palm issue) |
| 21:52.55 | ultraBlack | yeah i did, i guess its time for a reboot |
| 21:53.15 | Templarian | I'm going to GI Joe... so. |
| 21:53.24 | ultraBlack | wait, that's out? |
| 21:53.29 | gkatsev | yeah |
| 21:53.30 | ultraBlack | the movie? |
| 21:53.35 | ultraBlack | i thought it was the 26th |
| 21:53.38 | gkatsev | yesterday |
| 21:53.41 | ultraBlack | oh snap |
| 21:53.44 | ultraBlack | i'm going too then |
| 21:53.53 | gkatsev | lol |
| 21:54.04 | Templarian | I'll put the error checking when I get back. |
| 21:54.14 | Templarian | I just heard it's a funny random movie. |
| 21:54.42 | gkatsev | i believe /film said that it was what transformers 2 shouldve been, minus the giant robots |
| 21:54.49 | gkatsev | mightve been io9 |
| 21:55.05 | gkatsev | yeah, most likely io9 |
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| 22:12.30 | Decimation | would it be possible to make a call spoofer app? |
| 22:13.31 | bpadalino | call spoofer ? |
| 22:14.53 | Decimation | like, when you call someone |
| 22:15.00 | Decimation | the caller id shows up as whatever number you want |
| 22:15.12 | Decimation | it can be done on the computer, why not straight from my phone |
| 22:15.36 | Decimation | i have a website that i enter my number, a recipient, and the number i want it to show up as on the caller id |
| 22:15.48 | Decimation | and it just calls my phone, a connects me to the person i want to call |
| 22:15.56 | Decimation | and shows up as the number i put in for the caller id |
| 22:18.22 | gkatsev | Decimation: you probably will need to create some linux thing to do that. in fact, im sure there is already something like that, so just port it over, write and write a mojo front end to it |
| 22:18.54 | Decimation | my javascript skills suckk :( |
| 22:20.53 | gkatsev | heh, its not hard, really. |
| 22:21.05 | gkatsev | just remember that js is a functional programming language |
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| 22:23.30 | emrys | anyone here who has played at all with openvpn on the pre? |
| 22:24.24 | emrys | I have a tunnel up and am trying to use the mail client to imaps over it; I can get authenticated fine, but can't get any mail. Looking at tcpdump, after auth the regular sync traffic is trying to go out over the direct interface instead of over the tuennel for some reason. |
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| 23:14.24 | destinal | so there's a few potential issues... |
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| 23:15.42 | destinal | chuq says point blank, no other catalogs. also no adult content and no tethering and no VOIP allowed in theirs, so we're going to have at least a somewhat iphone-app-store-like situation |
| 23:17.44 | destinal | interestingly they're going to be playing catchup regarding dev phones for a bit. right now a dev anywhere in the world can buy one on ebay, reflash a modified doctor image with no activation requirements, and use it for development |
| 23:17.52 | destinal | there's no official solution for that |
| 23:18.28 | rwhitby | destinal: the set of devs that will reflash with a modified image is small beans for palm, and not worth their effort worrying about. |
| 23:18.54 | destinal | what I'm saying is it's unfortunate that people have no official avenue and have to turn to hacking it themselves |
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| 23:19.26 | destinal | and yeah a lot of devs won't bother with it and just use some other platform |
| 23:19.56 | destinal | the emulator isn't good enough yet to develop apps on by itself IMO |
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| 23:25.27 | destinal | regardless I'm glad I have NOT accepted any EULA's, I can distribute my code however I like. |
| 23:27.37 | jcrawford | predev was good today' |
| 23:27.42 | jcrawford | met some nice people |
| 23:27.58 | jcrawford | nebula who is not here is a cool guy :D |
| 23:28.34 | destinal | jcrawford: which pdc? |
| 23:28.50 | jcrawford | Boston |
| 23:29.52 | jcrawford | loved our lunch sign on the webcast lol |
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| 23:29.52 | jcrawford | brb went to get some chowdah |
| 23:29.53 | jcrawford | then they crossed off chowdah and put beer |
| 23:30.03 | jcrawford | rwhitby: did you attend PDC today? |
| 23:30.32 | rwhitby | yes, the Adelaide PDC, held in my lounge room, except for the 4 hours I was asleep. |
| 23:30.57 | rwhitby | (I stayed up to 4am, then slept to 7:30am) |
| 23:31.15 | gkatsev | destinal: pdc = predevcamp, not professional developers conference (or, at least for today :) |
| 23:31.48 | destinal | gkatsev: yeah |
| 23:31.50 | gkatsev | oh, lol |
| 23:31.52 | gkatsev | miss read |
| 23:32.03 | gkatsev | i thought you said whats not which |
| 23:32.13 | gkatsev | lol |
| 23:33.04 | JackieRipper | good morning |
| 23:33.40 | StoneRyno | I need troubleshooting help following the few steps for going to quilt lite on this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches trying to paste my putty output to paste bin generates: Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved |
| 23:34.25 | jcrawford | oh no it's the sock shoe guys |
| 23:34.38 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: what's the trouble you're seeing - that migration process was done at 3am this morning |
| 23:35.01 | StoneRyno | I'll try to summarize what i think the errors are |
| 23:35.47 | jcrawford | morning??? |
| 23:35.49 | jcrawford | evening here :) |
| 23:36.16 | StoneRyno | entering ipkg-opt update at the prompt generates this message at every gz file: ipkg: Invalid gzip magic |
| 23:36.21 | rwhitby | jcrawford: 9am here |
| 23:36.47 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: ok, that's a very fundamental problem them |
| 23:37.18 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: are you sure your network connection is working properly? |
| 23:37.29 | StoneRyno | so when i get to the step to enter ipkg-opt install quilt-lite at the prompt I get this Nothing to be done An error ocurred, return value: 4. Collected errors: Cannot find package quilt-lite. |
| 23:38.12 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: ipkg-opt update has to work before anything else can |
| 23:38.12 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: can you ping ipkg.nslu2-linux.org from the Pre? |
| 23:38.20 | StoneRyno | Let me verify the pre has a wifi connection to the internet |
| 23:38.55 | jcrawford | rwhitby: where the hell are you? |
| 23:39.04 | StoneRyno | type that ping into putty? |
| 23:39.09 | rwhitby | jcrawford: Adelaide, Australia |
| 23:39.21 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: yep, run it on the Pre |
| 23:40.13 | jcrawford | o damn |
| 23:40.21 | jcrawford | the outback eh |
| 23:40.44 | epv | haha |
| 23:40.47 | rwhitby | jcrawford: no, I live in the 10% of Australia which is not the outback (where 90% of the people live) |
| 23:40.48 | StoneRyno | how long should it take to get a response back? I haven't gotten one |
| 23:40.52 | epv | adelaide is so not outback |
| 23:40.55 | jcrawford | gkatsev: whyd you run away :D |
| 23:41.05 | jcrawford | lol rwhitby |
| 23:41.10 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: should be immediate - your network connection has problems if not |
| 23:41.37 | StoneRyno | ah yea the connection isn't that great where I'm at like dialup at best |
| 23:42.29 | jcrawford | where the hell is nebula probably drinking more beer @ the bar lol |
| 23:42.46 | StoneRyno | I've been browsing the internet on my netbook all day with intermittent connection loss |
| 23:44.08 | StoneRyno | oh wait i think i may know the issue to i need to remount for write |
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| 23:46.23 | StoneRyno | or maybe not still get that same magic message, ping didn't seem to work just sat there |
| 23:48.16 | jcrawford | so i do hope that nebula continues on to the user group |
| 23:48.24 | jcrawford | i would def help run it with him |
| 23:48.56 | StoneRyno | question will it make a different if i access linux by usb and use the evdo network instead of by wifi using the wifi network? |
| 23:49.35 | jcrawford | StoneRyno: i am not sure of the full context of the conversation but if you are trying to tether it should work over usb and not wifi |
| 23:50.49 | StoneRyno | nah troubleshooting updating to quilt lite it seems to fail getting the gz with ipkg-opt update |
| 23:51.00 | jcrawford | ah that i wouldnt have a clue about, sorry :) |
| 23:52.59 | rwhitby | is watching Rick's talk at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1949705 |
| 23:53.19 | StoneRyno | np I'm connecting to usb to access via putty |
| 23:53.27 | StoneRyno | gonna try that |
| 23:54.28 | StoneRyno | the evdo network may be more reliable that the crappy wifi setup |
| 23:55.01 | StoneRyno | this place got some backyard deal on setting up free wifi and it is worse than dialup |
| 23:57.20 | jcrawford | rwhitby: do you know anything about the Mojo.Depot? The mail application is using this.depot.simpleGet() but I do not see that as a documented method in the API is it depreciated or something? |
| 23:57.40 | rwhitby | I know nothing about normal webOS development |
| 23:57.57 | jcrawford | damn :( |
| 23:59.36 | StoneRyno | success ipkg-opt update worked over evdo so it must have been a network issue with the local wifi |
