| 00:00.18 | tmzt | monthly? |
| 00:00.51 | raeb | yeah |
| 00:00.56 | raeb | for best buy to warranty my phone |
| 00:02.34 | raeb | landscape mode and still ez to type? thank destinal for http://www.webosarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/picture-5-300x227.png |
| 00:03.09 | hopspitfire | raeb 0_0 |
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| 00:03.44 | raeb | betcha didn't know ur phone could do that |
| 00:03.45 | epyon2 | broke it? |
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| 00:06.07 | hopspitfire | My phone is already feeling wobbly, I wouldn't be surprised if I woke up to find it like that |
| 00:07.37 | epyon2 | i think they all are like that |
| 00:07.55 | epyon2 | me and my dads have a little wobble and a seperation on the left side |
| 00:07.59 | thatdude | What am I looking at here: http://www.webosarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/picture-5-300x227.png |
| 00:08.23 | thatdude | Is that a broken phone or mod hardware? |
| 00:08.24 | epyon2 | thatdude your looking at a new feature |
| 00:08.31 | epyon2 | lol jk |
| 00:08.36 | epyon2 | i think its a broken phone |
| 00:08.46 | thatdude | ouch! |
| 00:08.50 | hopspitfire | New code unlocks that feature! |
| 00:08.54 | destinal | from http://www.webosarena.com/2009/07/23/extreme-case-of-pre-malfunction/ |
| 00:09.03 | thatdude | That is why I use two thumbs to slide that bad sucker up |
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| 00:22.11 | StoneRyno | I found out that the memo app is using the global stylesheet for font size for memo view |
| 00:23.37 | StoneRyno | so if you want the text to be a smaller size when viewing a memo it appears you have to edit the font size for textarea.text-edit part of the global-textfields.css |
| 00:25.53 | StoneRyno | This is ok if one wants global text entry to be a smaller font size but I think I will track down if there is a way to override the global css with the app css |
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| 00:29.54 | bougyman | any bluetooth keyboards work with this thing yet? |
| 00:30.20 | destinal | bougyman: no build in HID stack |
| 00:30.26 | destinal | s/ld/lt/ |
| 00:30.42 | bougyman | hidd isn't a userspace hid driver? |
| 00:30.45 | bougyman | that's what i thought that did. |
| 00:30.49 | destinal | no |
| 00:30.56 | destinal | it talks with other human interface devices |
| 00:31.02 | bougyman | oh. |
| 00:31.03 | destinal | like the touchscreen and keyboard |
| 00:31.05 | epyon2 | man why does beardrop screw up after i edit the passwd file |
| 00:31.17 | destinal | beardrop lmao |
| 00:31.18 | bougyman | cause you're doing it wrong |
| 00:31.21 | bougyman | use vipw |
| 00:31.29 | bougyman | instead of vi /etc/passwd |
| 00:31.39 | epyon2 | really? |
| 00:32.01 | epyon2 | ive gotta novaterm it now ugh |
| 00:32.11 | JackieRipper | I don't believe the pre comes with vipw |
| 00:32.18 | destinal | I've been meaning to try using bluez instead of palm's stack, but to get palm's stuff to talk to it may be interesting |
| 00:32.20 | JackieRipper | does it? |
| 00:32.23 | bougyman | ew |
| 00:32.27 | bougyman | vipw command not found. |
| 00:32.31 | epyon2 | wait unless destinal terminal thing works :) |
| 00:32.51 | epyon2 | yep |
| 00:32.56 | destinal | yay win |
| 00:32.58 | JackieRipper | epyon2: what is screwing up? |
| 00:33.02 | bougyman | dang, vipw comes with the 'passwd' package on debian. |
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| 00:33.09 | epyon2 | just ssh connection |
| 00:33.14 | bougyman | i guess it's not in optware |
| 00:33.22 | JackieRipper | hasn't happened to me |
| 00:33.22 | epyon2 | like i was changing to bash shell |
| 00:33.29 | epyon2 | so i had to edit the passwd |
| 00:33.34 | bougyman | is optware opensource? |
| 00:33.40 | destinal | bougyman: yes |
| 00:33.41 | epyon2 | and now it wont take the password when i ssh in |
| 00:33.42 | JackieRipper | vipw isn't that necessary on a single user box |
| 00:33.53 | epyon2 | but it takes it everywhere else |
| 00:34.12 | bougyman | destinal: cool, is this the place to discuss optware dev, too? |
| 00:34.14 | JackieRipper | epyon2: try running passwd username |
| 00:34.18 | JackieRipper | reset the pass |
| 00:34.26 | epyon2 | did that a couple times |
| 00:34.35 | bougyman | epyon2: you change root's password? |
| 00:34.40 | JackieRipper | are you logging in as root? |
| 00:35.08 | bougyman | changing root's shell messed a bunch of stuff up on mine. |
| 00:35.15 | bougyman | i log in as me and sudo -i /opt/bin/bash |
| 00:35.15 | raeb | think id get press/blog time if i got a palm pre tattoo ? |
| 00:35.19 | bougyman | (i have an alias for it) |
| 00:35.24 | epyon2 | lol |
| 00:35.27 | epyon2 | ah |
| 00:35.33 | bougyman | raeb: everyone would think it's an iphone |
| 00:35.35 | JackieRipper | if you installed dropbear using the script, root ssh using passwords is turned off |
| 00:35.37 | gkatsev | bougyman: why not just change /bin/sh for your user in /etc/passwd? |
| 00:35.46 | JackieRipper | disallowed, rather |
| 00:35.50 | bougyman | gkatsev: i mean to go to toor. |
| 00:35.52 | bougyman | er root |
| 00:35.57 | bougyman | my user is already bash |
| 00:36.04 | gkatsev | right |
| 00:36.08 | bougyman | < dyslexic |
| 00:36.39 | bougyman | i never ssh to anything as root, so never tried it on this thing, good to know it's disabled. |
| 00:36.47 | bougyman | i moved to key-only auth, though. |
| 00:36.56 | destinal | bougyman: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage |
| 00:37.12 | raeb | bougyman: heh, not if it has its keyboard hangin out |
| 00:37.37 | raeb | specially if the tattoo is a pic of a pre takin an iphone from behind |
| 00:37.38 | epyon2 | idk what to do |
| 00:37.44 | epyon2 | i had to do this last time |
| 00:37.49 | epyon2 | but somehow i got it work |
| 00:37.53 | destinal | raeb: lol |
| 00:37.57 | raeb | /s/takin/givin it to/ |
| 00:38.34 | raeb | bah |
| 00:38.35 | epyon2 | lol |
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| 00:38.35 | destinal | no botsnack |
| 00:38.35 | Steeze | hmm |
| 00:38.41 | destinal | infobot: alive? |
| 00:38.42 | infobot | i guess alive is someone who still lives |
| 00:38.52 | raeb | yeah i just put a / |
| 00:38.57 | JackieRipper | epyon2: you didn't answer my question. Are you logging in as root? |
| 00:39.00 | destinal | oh |
| 00:39.03 | raeb | s/i/dumbass me/ |
| 00:39.13 | epyon2 | what for ssh or to change th passwd? |
| 00:39.20 | JackieRipper | for ssh |
| 00:39.29 | epyon2 | nope my user |
| 00:39.45 | JackieRipper | what did you change in /etc/passwd? |
| 00:40.08 | epyon2 | just the end part |
| 00:40.17 | epyon2 | from /bin/sh |
| 00:40.24 | epyon2 | to /opt/bin/bash |
| 00:40.35 | epyon2 | shouldnt affect the pw taking though |
| 00:40.44 | JackieRipper | and you added /opt/bin/bash to /etc/shells ? |
| 00:40.56 | epyon2 | yeah it works when i use the terminal on the phone |
| 00:41.09 | epyon2 | somthings screwed up with beardrop |
| 00:41.17 | JackieRipper | restart dropbear |
| 00:41.31 | LarrySteeze | blah, the sdk won't install on this computer! |
| 00:42.04 | destinal | ~seen pEEf |
| 00:42.05 | infobot | destinal: i haven't seen 'peef' |
| 00:42.15 | destinal | ~seen enkman |
| 00:42.16 | infobot | i haven't seen 'enkman', destinal |
| 00:42.19 | bougyman | i still can't get the emulator to work on debian |
| 00:42.24 | destinal | ~seen emkman |
| 00:42.24 | infobot | i haven't seen 'emkman', destinal |
| 00:42.24 | bougyman | just buntu and windows |
| 00:42.40 | epyon2 | didnt help |
| 00:42.56 | raeb | infobot: dont get smart with me |
| 00:42.58 | destinal | bougyman: the emulator can work anywhere it seems |
| 00:43.05 | epyon2 | is ther like a file where beardrop stores caches the passwd file or somthing |
| 00:43.14 | JackieRipper | no |
| 00:43.23 | destinal | just install specifically the SUN java 6 jre, VirtualBox 3.x |
| 00:43.24 | LarrySteeze | anyone have trouble installing the sdk on their machines? |
| 00:43.26 | JackieRipper | what is the error you're getting? |
| 00:43.39 | LarrySteeze | i did that :S |
| 00:43.49 | LarrySteeze | it keeps saying the installation is being interrupted |
| 00:43.57 | LarrySteeze | and then it starts rolling back the install |
| 00:44.12 | raeb | x64 ? |
| 00:44.15 | LarrySteeze | nope |
| 00:44.16 | raeb | or win 7? |
| 00:44.23 | LarrySteeze | 7 |
| 00:44.28 | raeb | there it is |
| 00:44.41 | LarrySteeze | i installed it on my other 7 box with no hitch |
| 00:44.51 | Zuchmir2 | setinal: someone should really make a mojo config page for term, for now, to select color, font size, scroll size |
| 00:45.10 | epyon2 | justin@5.173.187.61's password: |
| 00:45.11 | epyon2 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 00:45.11 | epyon2 | justin@5.173.187.61's password: |
| 00:45.11 | epyon2 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 00:45.11 | epyon2 | justin@5.173.187.61's password: |
| 00:45.11 | epyon2 | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 00:45.21 | epyon2 | ^error im getting |
| 00:46.07 | destinal | epyon2: did you change that user to use bash by any chance? |
| 00:46.25 | epyon2 | destinal yeah and it works in your terminal |
| 00:46.35 | destinal | sure but we don't check /etc/shells IIRC |
| 00:46.47 | destinal | make sure that /opt/bin/bash is listed in /etc/shells |
| 00:47.26 | LarrySteeze | so there's been noted problems with the sdk on win 7? |
| 00:48.15 | destinal | epyon2: you can just (echo /bin/sh; echo /opt/bin/bash) > /etc/shells [as root] |
| 00:48.20 | epyon2 | yeah |
| 00:48.24 | epyon2 | it was scrwed up |
| 00:49.02 | epyon2 | there we go |
| 00:49.04 | epyon2 | ugh |
| 00:49.10 | epyon2 | well that was a hasle |
| 00:49.22 | epyon2 | same error different problem as last time lol |
| 00:50.31 | epyon2 | thx guys |
| 00:50.57 | destinal | epyon2: no problem |
| 00:51.11 | destinal | bbl, driving |
| 00:54.16 | epyon2 | man the terminal app takes away the need for a dev mode |
| 00:54.18 | epyon2 | its nice |
| 00:54.42 | tmzt | how do you install it then? |
| 00:55.26 | epyon2 | well you need the dev mode to install the terminal app |
| 00:55.35 | epyon2 | but it elimiates needing to turn it back on |
| 00:55.45 | JackieRipper | I haven't needed to turn it back on |
| 00:55.56 | epyon2 | when you screw things up bad you do lol |
| 00:56.11 | dug | whoa, a terminal app that runs inside the regular UI? or one that takes over the entire UI? |
| 00:56.23 | epyon2 | runs in luna |
| 00:56.29 | dug | ooooooooo |
| 00:56.29 | JackieRipper | dug: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 00:56.36 | dug | \:D/ thank you |
| 00:56.38 | epyon2 | yeah its awesome |
| 00:56.48 | jl | currently reading this page, haha |
| 00:56.50 | epyon2 | thats how all the guys are getting on irc |
| 00:57.08 | jl | thats the only reason i want terminal, ssh to my system with irssi running :D |
| 00:57.28 | epyon2 | lol |
| 00:58.46 | dug | this sure beats running pssh inside Classic to ssh to localhost and get a shell :| |
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| 01:00.41 | JackieRipper | some thing are still missing, but so far, it's pretty damn awesome |
| 01:01.35 | epyon2 | yeah and they are making leaps every new release |
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| 01:03.30 | LarrySteeze | *cough* |
| 01:03.49 | LarrySteeze | has anyone here had success installing the sdk on win7? |
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| 01:07.36 | JackieRipper | guess not |
| 01:07.50 | epyon2 | when i use debain chroot will it install in my debsmall.img file? |
| 01:08.00 | epyon2 | when i apt-get |
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| 01:12.48 | bougyman | yes, epyon2 |
| 01:13.01 | LarrySteeze | YES! I got it! |
| 01:13.02 | bougyman | i'm {} close to getting sound working in debian |
| 01:13.13 | LarrySteeze | anyone here running win7 and need help getting it running? |
| 01:13.13 | epyon2 | bougyman sweet just what i want cause i filled up my opt last time |
| 01:13.23 | LarrySteeze | orca saved me :D |
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| 01:14.38 | epv | hmm |
| 01:15.19 | tharris- | evening all |
| 01:15.33 | epyon2 | hey tharris- |
| 01:15.35 | JackieRipper | hiya tharris |
| 01:16.29 | tharris- | what is going on |
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| 01:28.31 | rwhitby | raeb: I believe the wifi kernel drivers in the pre don't support the right mode for aircrack-ng. |
| 01:28.57 | raeb | no promiscuous and no packet injecting? |
| 01:29.08 | epv | it'd be surprising if those were there |
| 01:29.21 | raeb | could always plug in a usb atheros chip i suppose |
| 01:29.22 | tharris- | yeah |
| 01:29.47 | rwhitby | czarphanguye: dropbear supports ssh keys just fine. just read the doco on where to put them, and make sure the username involved actually has a password (even though the password is not used, and can be the '*' account locked entry in /etc/passwd if you want, but not blank) |
| 01:29.50 | tharris- | making the pre a wireless sniffer would be fun |
| 01:29.55 | raeb | though pre's usb port probably doesn't provide enough powa |
| 01:30.15 | epv | you'd have to make a cable that supplies power, or use a powered hub |
| 01:30.23 | epv | plus build usb host mode modules |
| 01:30.53 | epv | is omap a standard HCI usb interface? |
| 01:31.09 | epv | that would be neat |
| 01:31.24 | Robi_ | WillJitsu: blueswitch? |
| 01:31.59 | LarrySteeze | for what it's worth...the pre emulator will NOT allow you to take it out of developer mode ;-) |
| 01:32.32 | raeb | although 3 tripple-a's, a 1 ohm resistor, and a 5.1v zener diode would make for a nice usb battery pack |
| 01:32.50 | WillJitsu | Robi_: eh? |
| 01:33.39 | epyon2 | that would be sweet |
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| 01:35.29 | derek | Can anyone point me to some documentation on doing web http/ajax requests inside a mojo app? |
| 01:36.09 | Robi_ | saurik: you know michael from blueswitch? |
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| 02:00.31 | saurik | Robi_: I know a lot of people in the field of iphone software. I don't know anyone as "michael from blueswitch" |
| 02:00.38 | saurik | Robi_: that does not mean I do not know him ;P |
| 02:01.00 | saurik | maybe as either some random username, for example, or an e-mail address; or maybe I met him and forgot his name |
| 02:06.53 | derek | where are app catalog apps installed? Can't find them in /var/usr/palm/applications/ or /usr/palm/applications/ |
| 02:07.30 | bougyman | ok, got paplay to play in the debian chroot |
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| 02:07.50 | bougyman | mount --bind /var/run /media/cf/var/run and mount --bind /tmp /media/cf/tmp was necessary |
| 02:08.02 | rwhitby | derek: should be in /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 02:08.08 | bougyman | that will probably help with other such socket daemons, as well. |
| 02:08.11 | rwhitby | derek: ipkg -o /var list should show them |
| 02:08.20 | bougyman | still can't get anything that'll stream mp3 to use pulse in the debian chroot |
| 02:08.29 | Robi_ | saurik: nod, he flew in from NY last night to attend the meetup, then I found him a ride to the airport the same night so he could get back ;] |
| 02:08.31 | bougyman | but i'll get there tomorrow, i bet. |
| 02:09.46 | derek | rwhitby: Ohhh.... novaterm went into the emulator that I had open, and didn't realize it. Closed emu, reconnected, and looks good now. Thanks |
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| 02:13.36 | mrvc | destinal: ping |
| 02:13.40 | destinal | mrvc: pong |
| 02:13.47 | mrvc | hey |
| 02:13.52 | mrvc | how's it going? |
| 02:14.27 | destinal | good. looking forward to heading to vegas tomorrow for defcon |
| 02:14.39 | mrvc | destinal: oh yeah? Nice |
| 02:15.26 | Eguy | anyone's update app say "unable to connect" |
| 02:15.31 | Eguy | mine won't work |
| 02:16.13 | mrvc | destinal: so, what are we looking for next steps on terminal? |
| 02:16.17 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: i saw your patch, can't understand why it helped, maybe CellBuffer *tmp = (new_size==0) ? 0 : new CellBuffer [new_size]; fixed it |
| 02:16.42 | destinal | mrvc: did you figure out what was up with the ghosts? |
| 02:17.05 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: it seemed like the old code wasn't clearing i properly |
| 02:17.11 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: was hoping someone would implement a prefs page to choose color/font/scroll-size |
| 02:17.27 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: yep, sounds like a good project |
| 02:17.27 | Zuchmir2 | i think the tmp=0 fixed it |
| 02:17.53 | destinal | PuffTheMagic said he's looking at some of the mojo but more couldn't hurt |
| 02:18.03 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: i exposed setColors() to JS, so this will make lots of ppl happy |
| 02:18.07 | PuffTheMagic | looking at it now |
| 02:18.07 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I was having the ghosting until I added the code to clear the whole new buffer to spaces |
| 02:18.18 | PuffTheMagic | might have to convert Terminal to a lightweight app |
| 02:18.23 | PuffTheMagic | that means using sources.json |
| 02:18.28 | PuffTheMagic | and some other code refactoring |
| 02:18.39 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: sure, what's the difference? |
| 02:18.45 | PuffTheMagic | to get multiple stages |
| 02:18.50 | destinal | ah |
| 02:19.03 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: if you have some time and you're up to it, go for it |
| 02:19.16 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: it seemed odd to me the line that said |
| 02:19.25 | mrvc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.30 | PuffTheMagic | what the difference between a stage and a scene |
| 02:19.33 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1598 |
| 02:19.36 | destinal | the code predates sdk so it's whatever was the bare minimum in getting things going |
| 02:19.49 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: yeah i notices |
| 02:19.59 | PuffTheMagic | the default mojo app in eclipse uses the new format |
| 02:20.05 | PuffTheMagic | and so do all the examples it seems |
| 02:20.19 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: maybe it was supposed to be |
| 02:20.35 | mrvc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.45 | Zuchmir2 | you mean: o += new_width |
| 02:20.54 | destinal | feel free to create a new one with palm-generate or eclipse plugin or whatever and copy the assistant code we have into it |
| 02:21.25 | Zuchmir2 | that goes th the next row |
| 02:21.26 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: scenes happen on stages, like in a play :) |
| 02:21.36 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 02:21.40 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: no |
| 02:21.42 | PuffTheMagic | so we need to start a new stage |
| 02:21.48 | Zuchmir2 | ... oh, i see what u mean |
| 02:22.35 | bpadalino | yay for pointers |
| 02:22.45 | Zuchmir2 | ... yeah, that's definately fauly line, yeah it should have been CellBuffer *o = tmp + _height*new_width; |
| 02:22.47 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: Rick_ offered this code recently when I asked about it |
| 02:22.48 | destinal | http://webos.pastebin.com/m3283c31f |
| 02:22.55 | destinal | I just haven't had a chance to do anything with it |
| 02:23.26 | PuffTheMagic | i did something like that |
| 02:23.30 | Zuchmir2 | that could have caused a write an unknown buffer |
| 02:23.37 | PuffTheMagic | it kind of doesnt work |
| 02:23.48 | bougyman | so none of the optware sound utilities are linked against pulse nor alsa |
| 02:24.16 | bougyman | but with pulse working in the debian chroot there's gotta be _somethin_ for debian which can use it. |
| 02:24.20 | bougyman | probably mpd. |
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| 02:24.47 | LarrySteeze | anyone here use komodo? |
| 02:25.28 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: it seems cleaner to me to just clear the whole thing anyway |
| 02:25.38 | destinal | mrvc: I think the first thing we need is to keep focus |
| 02:25.52 | Zuchmir2 | is there an "official" folder for app data? |
| 02:25.53 | destinal | mrvc: things steal focus and only enter works after. is there an autofocus capability? |
| 02:26.05 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: the reason i did it the other way was for speed |
| 02:26.42 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: understood, but that code is only executed when you change orientations |
| 02:27.17 | destinal | Zuchmir2: apps aren't supposed to store files I believe, they're supposed to use sqlite3 db's |
| 02:27.32 | Zuchmir2 | ... the alternate way is : CellBuffer *o = tmp; |
| 02:27.32 | Zuchmir2 | for(int j = 0; j < new_height; j++, o++) |
| 02:27.32 | Zuchmir2 | c->ch = ' ' |
| 02:27.32 | destinal | for any app created content |
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| 02:28.03 | Zuchmir2 | it also executes on startup, but depending on the scroll buffer size.... |
| 02:28.33 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: but an ap like classic, is going to have to store data |
| 02:28.53 | destinal | Zuchmir2: well there's no official docs on how to do an app like classic. :P |
| 02:29.08 | Zuchmir2 | i did: find /usr -type d;find /var -type d, and couldn't find anythng interesting |
| 02:29.15 | bougyman | classic puts its stuff in /media/internal |
| 02:29.21 | destinal | right |
| 02:29.22 | mrvc | destinal: I haven't noticed it losing focus. Does it do that when you use a menu item? |
| 02:29.42 | Zuchmir2 | bougyman: i think the *read* it from that folder, then move it out |
| 02:29.44 | destinal | you have to assume everything but /media or /var is off limits due to rootfs being readonly |
| 02:29.58 | Zuchmir2 | ... once it's "installed" it's not on the USB drive anymore |
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| 02:30.06 | bougyman | i was playing with the sqlite dbs |
| 02:30.12 | bougyman | the schemas are pretty clean. |
| 02:30.31 | bougyman | Zuchmir2: i didn't dig too deep on that. |
| 02:30.33 | destinal | I believe some services or plugins use sqlite3 db's also in a way that |
| 02:30.37 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.43 | bougyman | but I didn't see it in the db directory either. |
| 02:31.01 | destinal | 0200. |
| 02:31.59 | bougyman | not in /var/palm/data, anyway. |
| 02:32.06 | bougyman | is there another place for 'non-core' apps? |
| 02:32.06 | Zuchmir2 | i see folder like: /var/palm/data/file_.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.app.browser_0 |
| 02:32.34 | Zuchmir2 | ... and /var/pubsub ? |
| 02:32.47 | bougyman | root@castle:/var/palm/data# sqlite3 Databases.db "select * from Databases" |
| 02:32.51 | bougyman | er. |
| 02:33.02 | Zuchmir2 | bougyman: that's what i'm wondering |
| 02:33.10 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: ahh browser start off headless :D |
| 02:33.21 | PuffTheMagic | the terminal will need to also |
| 02:34.21 | PuffTheMagic | and it creates stages on the fly it seems |
| 02:34.22 | PuffTheMagic | var stageName = "browser-" + Date.now(); |
| 02:34.42 | PuffTheMagic | i might be able to get this working tonight |
| 02:35.05 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: aha |
| 02:35.24 | PuffTheMagic | cause each stage has to have a new name |
| 02:35.25 | destinal | that would mean we can just click terminal again to start more |
| 02:35.31 | PuffTheMagic | cant push term is its already open |
| 02:35.36 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: right |
| 02:35.53 | PuffTheMagic | but we need to use the AppAssistant framework |
| 02:36.05 | PuffTheMagic | and converting to that might be messy |
| 02:36.10 | PuffTheMagic | but i will try to do it tonight |
| 02:36.42 | PuffTheMagic | this.controller.createStageWithCallback({name: stageName, lightweight: true}, f); |
| 02:36.59 | PuffTheMagic | then we can use notifications and shit |
| 02:37.12 | bougyman | for terminal? |
| 02:37.16 | bougyman | that will be hawt. |
| 02:37.23 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 02:37.35 | bougyman | is this pure js now, not the .so anymore? |
| 02:37.47 | PuffTheMagic | yeah this is in the mojo part |
| 02:38.12 | Rick__ | there's still an so part |
| 02:38.38 | bougyman | that's the part i'm wondering about. |
| 02:38.47 | bougyman | there's not an official way to write those, is there? |
| 02:39.51 | Rick__ | there is not an official way |
| 02:40.00 | Rick__ | destinal and crew worked out the details |
| 02:40.26 | Rick__ | if you're not drawing graphics, it's very straightforward since the so part is a pure npapi mozilla style browser plugin |
| 02:40.39 | Rick__ | so you don't NEED official sdk for it. Because it just is a mozilla plugin. |
| 02:40.47 | bougyman | i didn't notice if the source was avail on that or not. |
| 02:41.05 | Rick__ | The last 3 weeks have mostly been beating up how the graphics part -- which is undocumented works. |
| 02:41.16 | Rick__ | bougyman all the source for the plugin is at gitorious |
| 02:41.22 | Rick__ | the links are in the wiki article. |
| 02:41.42 | bougyman | ok cool, i've been staying away from the gitorous repo until i get a better feel for the OS layout, and have more time to spare. |
| 02:41.59 | Rick__ | the information on Terminal is at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 02:42.01 | bougyman | i'm two days from a virtual did company opening. |
| 02:43.02 | Epyon1 | ~seen atlanta |
| 02:43.03 | infobot | atlanta <i=c6167a04@gateway/web/freenode/x-2521736d5be7f992> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 10h 57m 30s ago, saying: 'so i dont do it'. |
| 02:45.01 | bougyman | that a lot of c++ for my tired eyes http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/blobs/master/termplugin/termplugin.cpp |
| 02:45.08 | bougyman | sleeps |
| 02:45.55 | destinal | bougyman: check out basicplugin |
| 02:46.21 | destinal | it's a lot easier to see what's going on, though we should probably port the javascript stuff back to it |
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| 02:47.34 | Zuchmir2 | bougyman: what's a virtual did co? is that DID? |
| 02:47.46 | bougyman | yeah. |
| 02:47.51 | psykoz | Hey guys, did you hear? Apple has been doing some really honorable things all along |
| 02:47.52 | bougyman | it's google voice, but not free, heh. |
| 02:47.58 | psykoz | They've apparently been helping protect me from local or international hackers, national security threats etc |
| 02:48.07 | bougyman | apple pulled all their google voice apps today. |
| 02:48.07 | psykoz | They've also been protecting me from drug dealers |
| 02:48.08 | destinal | psykoz: right |
| 02:48.20 | psykoz | Finally they've been protecting all AT&T users from problematic service |
| 02:48.32 | destinal | ~apple |
| 02:48.32 | infobot | apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com, or apple recently adopted the G5 (ibm) processor which kicks butt |
| 02:48.34 | bougyman | loves sprint |
| 02:48.43 | destinal | wow that's old |
| 02:48.44 | psykoz | Just think, without Apple, we'd have no protection from these things, they clearly are fighting off terrists, drug dealers and bad users to boot. Just think if they weren't doing this, we'd all have terrists next door, drug dealers in our schools etc. |
| 02:48.51 | Zuchmir2 | why what's wrong w/GV? |
| 02:49.12 | bougyman | Zuchmir2: free sms, for one. |
| 02:49.12 | destinal | right, it's a great thing they're protecting us from google voice |
| 02:49.25 | bougyman | and lower rate international calls |
| 02:49.27 | psykoz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10298646-1.html |
| 02:49.36 | bougyman | at&t to Yemen: $2.33/minute |
| 02:49.37 | psykoz | "Jailbreaking iPhone could pose threat to national security, Apple claims" |
| 02:49.45 | bougyman | google voice: .38/minute |
| 02:49.50 | bougyman | or was that Dubai |
| 02:49.52 | Epyon1 | lol |
| 02:49.53 | bougyman | one of those two |
| 02:49.59 | bougyman | we had to route one through google voice the other day for that. |
| 02:50.02 | Epyon1 | have you hear abou the iphon hack? |
| 02:50.14 | Epyon1 | some sms bug to take over all iphones |
| 02:50.19 | tlp | Is the new terminal application developed with the Mojo SDK? i.e. could it become a 'legitimate' Palm app? |
| 02:50.24 | psykoz | Epyon, yah will reveal at blackhat ;) |
| 02:50.35 | bougyman | tlp: problem would be distributing the .so, i think. |
| 02:50.46 | tlp | ah |
| 02:51.01 | tlp | granted, I don't know if Palm would approve a terminal anyway |
| 02:51.11 | bougyman | i wouldn't, if I were them. |
| 02:51.24 | bougyman | I wouldn't allow as much access to it that I have, unless they really want us making apps. |
| 02:51.31 | tlp | I mostly just want ssh access |
| 02:51.35 | tlp | a client, that is |
| 02:51.37 | bougyman | but if they really wanted us making apps why don't they have a way for us to distribute them? |
| 02:51.46 | bougyman | i'm confused about this. |
| 02:51.51 | psykoz | bougyman, they do, through them ;) |
| 02:52.02 | bougyman | i'm still waiting on a response about that. |
| 02:52.09 | Epyon1 | yeah they want all control of th apps |
| 02:52.11 | bougyman | who do I distribute through them? |
| 02:52.16 | bougyman | er how |
| 02:52.32 | bougyman | i submitted my app idea to them. |
| 02:54.20 | Zuchmir2 | bougyman: why wouldnt u want to use GV's DID, that u waiting impatintly for anor DID co? |
| 02:54.37 | bougyman | Zuchmir2: i was paid to do it. |
| 02:54.40 | bougyman | this is a client's company |
| 02:54.53 | bougyman | we do custom phone switches (freeswitch based) |
| 02:54.56 | bougyman | he needed one |
| 02:55.06 | Zuchmir2 | oh, ok |
| 02:55.08 | bougyman | we got suckered into doing the web app for him, though. |
| 02:55.12 | bougyman | which just sucks |
| 02:55.14 | bougyman | i hate webapps. |
| 02:55.21 | bougyman | i like backend work. |
| 02:55.45 | bougyman | we wrote freeswitcher to control freeswitch, i want to get the accompanying administration tools done for it. |
| 02:56.01 | bougyman | so it's a full-fledged gui carrier-grade switch and nice pbx. |
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| 03:07.32 | Epyon1 | have you guys handled & yet? |
| 03:08.04 | psykoz | I need to poke around with freeswitch some time |
| 03:08.12 | psykoz | I still have some asterisk servers I'd like to phase out eventually |
| 03:08.57 | destinal | so, speaking of asterisk, doesn't it have alsa or pulseaudio channels these days? |
| 03:09.46 | destinal | I've got this idea for a softphone on the pre that's really just some mojo talking to a native asterisk |
| 03:11.07 | tmzt | Terminal could be adapted just to do ssh and irc |
| 03:11.15 | tmzt | but I think you lose something if you do that |
| 03:12.14 | bougyman | destinal: freeswitch does. |
| 03:12.18 | bougyman | pulseaudio, anyway |
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| 03:12.26 | bougyman | i use it as a softphone. |
| 03:12.29 | destinal | I'll have to check into it |
| 03:12.54 | bougyman | destinal: that's what i'm doing with freeswitch (freeswitcher) |
| 03:13.11 | bougyman | if I had access to ruby it'd be a quick app, as is i'm doing it web-based. |
| 03:13.24 | destinal | web based or mojo based? |
| 03:13.30 | hmagoo | hrm, trying to repair my messaging app, took some files out of the webosdoctor archive. Got the functionality back, but see <div> and </div> (etc..) in the text messages |
| 03:13.37 | destinal | are you talking about a pre app? |
| 03:13.42 | bougyman | it just dials to two endpoints (the target you're calling and your cellphone) |
| 03:13.49 | destinal | oh i see |
| 03:13.49 | bougyman | yeah, i want to do a mojo app. |
| 03:14.05 | destinal | so you mean control a remote freeswitch |
| 03:14.07 | bougyman | voip over evdo is sketchy at best. |
| 03:14.19 | bougyman | mostly horrible. |
| 03:14.19 | destinal | bougyman: have you tried it? |
| 03:14.21 | bougyman | yeah. |
| 03:14.29 | bougyman | freeswitch runs on the pre fine. |
| 03:14.46 | bougyman | can't use pulse but I can play media |
| 03:14.57 | bougyman | i can probably use pulse now, just need to set up the mic sink |
| 03:15.04 | bougyman | (in debian chroot) |
| 03:15.22 | destinal | why debian chroot? |
| 03:15.37 | bougyman | cause i didn't want to resize the lvms just yet. |
| 03:15.45 | bougyman | i've only had this 5 days. |
| 03:16.00 | bougyman | (well, 3, i had one for two days and this one for three) |
| 03:19.04 | hmagoo | anyone know off hand which file to replace to original if I see <div>s show up in SMS messages? |
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| 03:19.56 | enio | shit |
| 03:20.04 | enio | this recovery tool aint working |
| 03:20.22 | enio | not under linux/windows/os x |
| 03:20.25 | enio | windows see it now |
| 03:20.26 | hmagoo | got <div> in my text messages, which js file is probably the culprit? |
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| 03:20.32 | enio | but the next botton doesnt show |
| 03:20.33 | enio | wtf |
| 03:22.10 | bougyman | i had to do the battery trick |
| 03:22.18 | bougyman | and hold the volup as you put the battery in. |
| 03:22.24 | bougyman | the next button will light up. |
| 03:22.30 | bougyman | when the USB icon appears on your screen. |
| 03:22.36 | bougyman | (the whole screen) |
| 03:23.06 | enio | ok so u have your pre connected to pc |
| 03:23.07 | enio | right |
| 03:23.20 | bougyman | no, turn it off and take the battery out, first. |
| 03:23.30 | bougyman | then plug it in to the pc. |
| 03:23.38 | bougyman | then hold volup while putting the battery back in. |
| 03:23.44 | enio | then you pull the battery out and press volume key and ok |
| 03:23.45 | bougyman | or whatever the instructions say. |
| 03:23.46 | enio | ok |
| 03:24.26 | bougyman | hrm |
| 03:24.34 | bougyman | you may have to hold volup before you even plug it in to the pc. |
| 03:24.49 | bougyman | i'm 3 dogfish head 60 minute ale's fuzzy, see the doc. |
| 03:25.24 | bougyman | yeah, hold volup before even plugging it in |
| 03:25.27 | bougyman | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 03:25.50 | enio | ha got it |
| 03:25.51 | enio | thanks |
| 03:27.24 | hmagoo | hrm, chatview-assistant.js dated 7/17 in webOSDoctor, is that current 1.1? |
| 03:28.16 | bougyman | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82049 Jul 18 00:22 ./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/controllers/chatview-assistant.js |
| 03:28.21 | bougyman | that one? |
| 03:28.24 | bougyman | that's 1.1 there. |
| 03:29.14 | bougyman | 529249aa67195391e475997c9f3220e0 is my md5 |
| 03:29.44 | destinal | bougyman: at least you have good taste in beer :) |
| 03:30.46 | bougyman | tips mug |
| 03:31.12 | hmagoo | k, I'll check |
| 03:31.32 | bougyman | last time I looked at this much .js was when I got thrust into rails development. |
| 03:32.01 | bougyman | the framework could be worse. |
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| 03:33.03 | Rick__ | the framework could be MUCH worse. |
| 03:33.19 | Rick__ | But I still wish it was YUI based instead of Prototype based. |
| 03:33.41 | bougyman | i don't mind prototype, but prefer jquery/FP when it comes to js. |
| 03:33.43 | Rick__ | and mojo was obviously written by a bunch of Java programmers who wanted to warp Javascript into being Java. :-/ |
| 03:33.49 | bougyman | well yeah. |
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| 03:35.05 | bougyman | and there's still a java processor hog running on this all the time. |
| 03:35.10 | bougyman | with an uberlong commandline |
| 03:35.15 | hmagoo | bougyman, yes, same md5 thanks |
| 03:35.15 | Rick__ | nodnod |
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| 03:37.23 | bougyman | i guess that's what luna is written in? |
| 03:37.40 | bougyman | /usr/lib/luna/java/libmatthew-java-0.7.jar |
| 03:37.43 | bougyman | i love that one. |
| 03:37.46 | bougyman | libmatthew? |
| 03:38.03 | destinal | luna itself isn't java but it calls java stuff |
| 03:38.23 | destinal | services especially |
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| 03:40.40 | bougyman | i wonder if jruby will run on this arch? |
| 03:41.37 | bougyman | it does. |
| 03:44.54 | bougyman | well. |
| 03:44.57 | bougyman | it's trying to |
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| 03:47.07 | bougyman | root 9286 86.0 15.0 55904 36876 pts/0 Rl+ 22:46 0:09 java -Xmx512m -Xss1024k -Xverify:none -da -classpath |
| 03:47.15 | bougyman | will that actually try and grab the 512m ? |
| 03:47.22 | bougyman | i stopped it, just in case. |
| 03:47.36 | bougyman | (it's part of the jruby wrapper) |
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| 03:58.52 | hmagoo | lol, so if I just overwrite the entire com.palm.app.messaging directory with the one out of the webosdoctor is that going to work? |
| 03:59.57 | Rick__ | pretty much yes. |
| 04:02.27 | hmagoo | whats an easy command to copy over a directory from /var/home/.. to /usr/palm/.. overwriting everything? does cp do that without any switches? |
| 04:04.06 | hmagoo | yeah I know, google is my bud ;) |
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| 04:07.50 | Rick__ | to copy from one dir to another do |
| 04:08.13 | Rick__ | cp -r /var/home/somedir /usr/palm/somedir |
| 04:08.43 | hmagoo | ty, just now did that |
| 04:08.55 | hmagoo | after I mv the original to a backup |
| 04:09.15 | hmagoo | lol, we'll see if it survives a reboot |
| 04:11.38 | hmagoo | yeah that quilt segment on the wiki kind of lost me, since I didn't know how to deal with patches that were on the pre since before OS updates... |
| 04:11.46 | oc80z | sup |
| 04:11.49 | oc80z | whats good |
| 04:12.09 | hmagoo | and that might have been the culprit or it might just be that I did another messaging mod that I forgot I did |
| 04:12.30 | hmagoo | hi oc |
| 04:12.49 | hmagoo | wow, that is shocking |
| 04:12.53 | hmagoo | wth? |
| 04:13.39 | oc80z | ? |
| 04:13.44 | hmagoo | I thought I just overwrote the entire com.palm.app.messaging directory, only to see the same exact thing |
| 04:13.56 | hmagoo | <div> some text message </div> |
| 04:14.00 | hmagoo | ^ that |
| 04:16.08 | Technobabble | if i don't make a swap partition on a linux install, will there just not be a swap at all, or will it make a dynamic one if it needs it |
| 04:16.37 | rwhitby | you can swap to a partition or a file. both need to be set up in advance. if not, no swap. |
| 04:16.56 | hmagoo | <div class="messageText">Testing SMS</div> |
| 04:17.03 | Rick__ | rwhitby -- it is not sunday |
| 04:17.09 | hmagoo | grrr, why is that showing up |
| 04:17.20 | rwhitby | Rick__: hotel ethernet |
| 04:17.28 | Rick__ | rwhitby too cool. |
| 04:17.45 | Rick__ | rwhitby how was the flight? |
| 04:18.02 | rwhitby | Same as most 10+ hour flights. |
| 04:18.37 | Rick__ | crying babys, drunks, overcrowding, leg cramps, noise, nodnod |
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| 04:23.03 | rwhitby | noise cancelling in-ear headphones block most of that out. |
| 04:24.40 | Technobabble | speaking of which, what are some good head phones to pick up |
| 04:24.46 | Technobabble | that can do phoen calls as well, if possible |
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| 04:31.15 | derek | where does something like Mojo.Log.info("a log message"); actually log a message to? Trying to wrap my head around how to debug applications. Also, is tailing /var/log/messages really the best way to see JS errors? |
| 04:33.45 | Robi_ | whats the screnshot key-combo |
| 04:35.54 | hmagoo | ahh, I think it worked... |
| 04:36.31 | hmagoo | can't wait to get my linksys spa-2102 ata to use with google voice and gizmo... |
| 04:38.39 | hmagoo | was thinking I would need to use the pre to initiate calls out and have GV call me on the gizmo number, but it appears that google is bringing gizmo around like it's little ***h |
| 04:38.51 | hmagoo | so I should have a completely free landline, using a normal phone, attached to my DSL... by next week |
| 04:39.02 | hmagoo | and from there on until they decide to make it not so free anymore |
| 04:39.53 | epv | yay and goog gets to record all your calls! |
| 04:40.26 | hmagoo | not sure there is anything in my calls they can use |
| 04:40.28 | rwhitby | they've got all your email and web history, why not your calls too :-) |
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| 04:40.44 | tmzt | calls or call details? |
| 04:41.09 | Robi_ | i tried the GV app on the itouch, first it rings yer phone then the number u called, neat |
| 04:41.10 | rwhitby | I'm sure they can get at the stream if they want to. |
| 04:41.48 | epv | seems like the whole point |
| 04:41.55 | psykoz | I turned my Google Voice into just voicemail only |
| 04:42.02 | hmagoo | well, free, aside from the $70 I spent on the ATA device... ;) |
| 04:42.14 | psykoz | I had been using callwave so I had sprint setup call forward on busy/unavailable to callwave to transcribe my voicemails |
| 04:42.17 | Eguy | What's an Itouch Robi? |
| 04:42.22 | Eguy | Never heard of it |
| 04:42.33 | Robi_ | ipod touch |
| 04:42.36 | psykoz | I redirected that to my GV number, that way people still call my cell, but after I ignore (or am offnetwork/busy) they then forward to Google Voice and leave me a message |
| 04:42.43 | Eguy | :P |
| 04:43.01 | psykoz | which gets transcribed, I'm okay with google transcribing my voicemails, they're only 2-3% of my total call volume, so they're missing out on the 97% of the goodies |
| 04:43.09 | rwhitby | tmzt: google needs to handle the stream directly so they can apply the new patent they got on inserting ads in phone calls when there are gaps in the conversation |
| 04:43.19 | hmagoo | psykoz, works ok but reminds me of reading spams sometimes actually makes me laugh so hard looking at the gibberish |
| 04:43.19 | tmzt | really? |
| 04:43.42 | Robi_ | Eguy: i know , it's not proper but it's too annoying to keep saying ipod when it's not just an ipod, and it's not an iphone so, its an itouch to me |
| 04:43.48 | Robi_ | cuz I touch it :P |
| 04:44.03 | Robi_ | psykoz: they get it wrong mostly anyhow ;] |
| 04:44.19 | Robi_ | but it sure freaks people out when they get an email reply to their voicemail.. |
| 04:44.27 | rwhitby | tmzt: http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2009/07/024108.htm |
| 04:44.36 | psykoz | hmagoo, callwave's is really nice, I don't care about the full voicemail, what I care about is seeing someone called and then how they say to reach them... usually I basically in my head read "hey, it's bob... I wanted to tell you things are doing great, but that doesn't matter, give me a call back at 711-555-5252" in my head as "hey it's bob, call me at 711-555-5252" |
| 04:44.57 | hmagoo | reads like spam sometimes but, I can understand most of it, but get a little scared when they transcribe my wife talking about Marty and other names.. who the hell is Marty? lol |
| 04:45.26 | Robi_ | heh yikes |
| 04:45.49 | hmagoo | they definitely guess about whatever they don't know... |
| 04:46.08 | Robi_ | argh someone remind me what key combo is to take a screen shot on the pre |
| 04:46.13 | hmagoo | psykoz, completely understand |
| 04:47.17 | hmagoo | Robi_, orange, sym, P? |
| 04:47.18 | Robi_ | searches the pdf |
| 04:47.35 | Robi_ | tried that, gave me a P |
| 04:47.36 | hmagoo | not R lol |
| 04:48.01 | Robi_ | or Pi |
| 04:48.09 | gkatsev | yep, screenshot is orange+sym+p |
| 04:48.09 | psykoz | rwhitby, any urls to their patent on gap/ads ? |
| 04:48.29 | gkatsev | but you dont get a visual/auditory que that the screenshot was taken |
| 04:48.41 | gkatsev | check under photos->screencaptures |
| 04:48.53 | hmagoo | psykoz, I'm thinking they will be doing ads before connecting calls |
| 04:48.54 | rwhitby | psykoz: I pasted the link above |
| 04:48.56 | Robi_ | bah i dont have enough thumbs for that |
| 04:49.09 | Robi_ | nor an ack that it did a screen shot |
| 04:50.07 | gkatsev | Robi_: lol, i do is left thumb on orange, then right index on sym and right middle finger on the p while holding the pre in the left hand |
| 04:50.18 | rwhitby | psykoz: except the actual patent text link in that article doesn't point to the patent the article talks about |
| 04:50.53 | gkatsev | s/, i/, what i/ |
| 04:50.55 | Robi_ | invents a three-pronged screen shot tooll out of a paperclip |
| 04:51.15 | hmagoo | heh |
| 04:51.27 | gkatsev | if anyone tries using emacs on here, his hands will fall apart |
| 04:51.39 | Robi_ | nice a vi parsing infobot |
| 04:52.03 | gkatsev | well, its just regex replacement really |
| 04:52.10 | gkatsev | s/its/it's |
| 04:52.26 | Robi_ | hah |
| 04:52.28 | Robi_ | fail |
| 04:52.29 | gkatsev | hm... i guess i need the last / |
| 04:52.39 | gkatsev | s/i/I/ |
| 04:53.08 | Robi_ | s/l/1/g |
| 04:53.20 | Robi_ | try that gkatsev |
| 04:53.24 | hmagoo | I never knew you could extract an app out of the doctor image and use it to repair, but looks like it worked |
| 04:53.32 | epv | i run my own asterisk server to collect voicemail |
| 04:54.00 | gkatsev | hm... i guess i need the last / |
| 04:54.05 | gkatsev | s/i/I/g |
| 04:54.11 | gkatsev | cool |
| 04:54.15 | psykoz | I don't have a problem collecting voicemail, I have a problem actually reading or listening to it |
| 04:54.26 | gkatsev | i wonder if c works |
| 04:54.30 | psykoz | Err !reading, I have a problem listening to it |
| 04:54.51 | gkatsev | psykoz: google voice, ftw |
| 04:55.09 | gkatsev | s/g/G/gc |
| 04:55.12 | epv | my asterisk server emails me voicemails, which is kinda nice |
| 04:55.14 | psykoz | gkatsev, well, callwave's transcribes are much better, but I'm saving $15/month |
| 04:55.19 | epv | then i can play them on my laptop or phone |
| 04:55.20 | gkatsev | nope, c doesnt work |
| 04:55.32 | psykoz | epv, no, email means you still have to listen to it, I >despise< listening to voicemails |
| 04:55.38 | hmagoo | psykoz, they use humans in far away lands? |
| 04:55.40 | epv | oh i see |
| 04:55.42 | psykoz | Almost to the point that I originally had sprint turn my voicemailbox off |
| 04:55.52 | gkatsev | isnt that what google voice does as well? |
| 04:55.53 | psykoz | hmagoo, their response is too fast for humans in far away lands imo |
| 04:55.53 | epv | i guess i get very little so it doesn't bother me |
| 04:55.56 | Zuchmir2 | hmagoo: how wou;d u get free calls out of an ata + gizmo + GV? |
| 04:56.16 | psykoz | epv, nod |
| 04:56.36 | epv | but man, if i ever start getting spammed during phone calls, i wil lhave to stop using the phone |
| 04:56.40 | hmagoo | I heard some services actually use humans |
| 04:56.42 | Robi_ | gkatsev: toldyouso :> |
| 04:57.08 | gkatsev | lol |
| 04:57.11 | gkatsev | fine |
| 04:57.26 | gkatsev | #vim should add it to their vimgor |
| 04:57.32 | psykoz | gkatsev, callwave's really got nice transcriptions, if I didn't care about saving $180/yr I'd stick with it. But for $180/yr in savings (30 6 packs of beer), I am getting less quality transcribes that are okay enough ;) |
| 04:57.50 | hmagoo | Zuchmir2, GV has a settings dialog for your gizmo info, gizmo has a settings dialog for your GV info |
| 04:57.52 | gkatsev | ok |
| 04:57.59 | hmagoo | the second part is brand new |
| 04:58.10 | hmagoo | and probably limited time, I dunno |
| 04:59.37 | Zuchmir2 | i read it said 20 minute max... i tried, it didn't work for me :-( |
| 05:00.40 | Zuchmir2 | read this article, and couldn't get it to work: http://snapvoip.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-sip-calls-with-google-voice-and.html |
| 05:00.45 | gkatsev | anyway, going to sleep |
| 05:00.45 | gkatsev | night |
| 05:01.11 | Robi_ | nite |
| 05:05.59 | hmagoo | Zuchmir2, I've seen some forum threads around with some good info. |
| 05:07.11 | hmagoo | quick example, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22770034-SPA2102R-Firmware-gizmo5-GV-configuration |
| 05:07.46 | hmagoo | adios folks. |
| 05:10.20 | Zuchmir2 | ok, i'll look @ that... it may be enticing to get an SIP client for pre to call out using that |
| 05:13.21 | hmagoo | for sure, I'm just done paying for any additional communication services than I already am.. although I'm up for very low cost. |
| 05:14.01 | hmagoo | but would like a landline (or functioning like one) in the house |
| 05:15.14 | aYellowBanana | Zuchmir2, I spent a month on that |
| 05:15.19 | aYellowBanana | let me tell you, don't bother |
| 05:15.22 | aYellowBanana | it doesn't work anymore |
| 05:15.35 | aYellowBanana | wasted a shitload of time, but I do like Google Voice :) |
| 05:15.49 | aYellowBanana | problem is that Google completely denied access to SIP. Even to Gizmo now. :( |
| 05:15.50 | hmagoo | got verizon to honor the price for new customers ($19.99) for 1MB/384 DSL.. I had 768/128, lol for the same price |
| 05:16.44 | Zuchmir2 | aYellowBanana: the link i posted above is date july 27, 2009, it's already outdated? |
| 05:16.51 | hmagoo | aYellowBanana, they didn't realize how much the world was going to abuse it or what? |
| 05:17.08 | aYellowBanana | yes to both |
| 05:17.21 | Zuchmir2 | wow! that was quick |
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| 05:18.30 | Zuchmir2 | i thought i had set something up wrong... but i guess i'm not the only one |
| 05:19.36 | Zuchmir2 | even toyed w/the idea of using an <embed> and call ppl using that, but the pre doesn't support it (i think it's shockwave) |
| 05:19.38 | aYellowBanana | yeah. i was looking forward to it :( |
| 05:20.10 | aYellowBanana | good night guys |
| 05:20.14 | aYellowBanana | 's bed time now |
| 05:20.20 | Zuchmir2 | good nite |
| 05:21.25 | hmagoo | http://www.gizmovoice.com/ |
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| 05:21.39 | tlz | destinal, you here |
| 05:21.42 | hmagoo | does look a little more blank than when I read the page two days ago |
| 05:22.01 | destinal | tlz: am now |
| 05:22.24 | HiQ | Having some troubles.. I can novaproxy into root, but if I try to put my pre into passthrough mode (mpt d userial) it just stalls after I press enter. Any ideas? |
| 05:23.26 | destinal | I can still put gizmo phones on my gvoice |
| 05:23.27 | destinal | weird |
| 05:23.39 | tlz | so im running terminal 0.1.5, and my enter button doesnt work... |
| 05:23.47 | tlz | gotta use sym+! |
| 05:23.51 | destinal | tlz: reboot |
| 05:24.03 | destinal | or restart luna |
| 05:24.07 | tlz | did... several times |
| 05:24.07 | tlz | lol |
| 05:24.21 | destinal | you have a mismatched term and termplugin |
| 05:24.39 | destinal | remove them both and install from feed |
| 05:24.42 | destinal | then reboot |
| 05:24.45 | tlz | ahh |
| 05:24.48 | tlz | gotcha |
| 05:24.57 | tlz | its fixed actually |
| 05:25.02 | tlz | ur the man ;) |
| 05:25.06 | destinal | cool |
| 05:25.10 | destinal | :) |
| 05:26.01 | tlz | love the terminal app |
| 05:26.06 | destinal | Zuchmir2: hey |
| 05:26.45 | destinal | Zuchmir2: I haven't looked at todays commits (working and then home stuff) |
| 05:27.20 | hmagoo | Zuchmir2, "You are now ready to receive calls for free and make US calls at low cost which will now show on your Caller ID as your GoogleVoice number!" |
| 05:27.21 | destinal | ok, just time out. I see how you are |
| 05:27.33 | destinal | ;) |
| 05:27.47 | hmagoo | thats a switch, no wonder the text is not meant to be visible yet |
| 05:28.04 | hmagoo | http://www.gizmovoice.com/ |
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| 05:30.32 | hmagoo | Zuchmir2, http://www.gizmovoice.com/ and "read" |
| 05:30.49 | hmagoo | $.02 minute to place calls. |
| 05:31.29 | destinal | but google voice will connect outbound calls for free |
| 05:31.56 | destinal | as well as inbound |
| 05:32.22 | destinal | Zuchmir2: hey |
| 05:32.54 | hmagoo | destinal, I doubt it. not sure whats up |
| 05:33.01 | hmagoo | see you guys. |
| 05:33.16 | destinal | hmagoo: later |
| 05:33.31 | epv | you can get plain normal voip service for less than 2c/min tho |
| 05:33.39 | tlz | gmmm |
| 05:33.53 | tlz | whats the quiet-powerd-messages.patch |
| 05:34.12 | destinal | epv: google voice + gizmo is free inbound calls and via google voice's web interface an outbound call is effectively an inbound call |
| 05:34.38 | destinal | so free phone line if you can send http requests to place your calls (asterisk, anyone?) |
| 05:35.23 | destinal | tlz: the quiet-powerd patch makes powerd shut up |
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| 05:35.37 | destinal | normally it walls you a lot |
| 05:35.57 | destinal | saying it went to sleep, woke up, etc |
| 05:36.03 | tlz | ahhh |
| 05:36.07 | tlz | in the terminal |
| 05:36.10 | destinal | yes |
| 05:36.21 | tlz | worth patching you think? |
| 05:36.32 | destinal | if it annoys you |
| 05:36.41 | Rick__ | destinal update tonight? or still got the weirdo bugs? |
| 05:36.59 | destinal | Rick__: I think we're fresh out of weirdo bugs, you should have come earlier if you wanted them :P |
| 05:37.04 | destinal | so yeah, might be good |
| 05:37.07 | destinal | checking a few things |
| 05:37.14 | Rick__ | any progress on launching new scenes? |
| 05:37.27 | destinal | Puff was working on integrating that |
| 05:37.32 | Rick__ | k |
| 05:37.40 | destinal | he pushed something so let me check |
| 05:37.54 | Rick__ | got 3 minutes to listen to a request? |
| 05:37.58 | destinal | sure |
| 05:39.27 | Zuchmir2 | hmgoo: so u need to pay gizmo to connect to GV? |
| 05:39.39 | destinal | Zuchmir2: gizmo is free |
| 05:39.46 | tlz | what kinda requests we got goin on |
| 05:39.46 | tlz | lol |
| 05:39.48 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: hpw do u do it in http? |
| 05:40.00 | destinal | well use their web interface with a browser first |
| 05:40.03 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: true |
| 05:40.04 | destinal | then figure out how it does it |
| 05:40.26 | destinal | and automate if you find a browser inconvenient for placing all your calls at home |
| 05:40.59 | destinal | http://gizmo5.com/ |
| 05:41.10 | destinal | and don't worry about the call out stuff since you won't technically be calling out |
| 05:41.14 | destinal | google voice will be calling you |
| 05:41.20 | destinal | when you tell it to place outbound calls |
| 05:41.40 | destinal | Rick__: still there? |
| 05:41.45 | mrvc | Zuchmir2, destinal: I've pushed a change to let you select the font |
| 05:42.03 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: looking... |
| 05:42.05 | destinal | mrvc: did it merge with puff's stuff? i think he did a lot of mojo changes |
| 05:42.12 | tlz | im lost |
| 05:42.12 | destinal | but I haven't checked yet |
| 05:42.13 | tlz | lol |
| 05:42.19 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I had some conflicts |
| 05:42.39 | destinal | I thought puff's code was lots different but haven't tested it yet |
| 05:43.20 | mrvc | Zuchmir2, destinal: the problem is that when you switch away from the main stage, the terminal gets destroyed |
| 05:43.34 | mrvc | and then it gets re-created when you come back from the preferences |
| 05:43.35 | destinal | oh? |
| 05:43.43 | mrvc | so you are at the login prompt again |
| 05:44.09 | destinal | does it make a call to destroy it? |
| 05:44.29 | mrvc | destinal: yeah, I think it is like when you go to another page in a web browser |
| 05:44.38 | destinal | we should be able to preserve it |
| 05:44.41 | mrvc | all the plugins get destroyed |
| 05:44.56 | destinal | the plugin doesn't ever get unloaded |
| 05:45.03 | Rick__ | mrvc, it sould have persisted |
| 05:45.14 | Rick__ | the menu is just inserted into the dom above the main scene. |
| 05:45.17 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: did u do color selection? |
| 05:45.24 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: no |
| 05:45.58 | mrvc | Rick__: yeah, I don't know enough about it, but it is definately destroyed and re-created |
| 05:46.09 | Rick__ | that's really odd mrvc |
| 05:46.15 | Rick__ | what was he calling? |
| 05:46.43 | mrvc | Rick__: NPP_Destroy is called |
| 05:46.51 | Zuchmir2 | added earlier today an setColors()... should be easy to implement |
| 05:47.13 | Rick__ | jeeez. Was that in response to a menu function? |
| 05:47.20 | Rick__ | or to just BRINGING UP the menu? |
| 05:47.21 | Zuchmir2 | does the plugin unload as well? |
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| 05:47.32 | mrvc | Rick__: In response to pushing a new scene |
| 05:47.35 | destinal | ugh |
| 05:47.47 | destinal | I think I know what's wrong |
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| 05:48.10 | eain | epyon2, you there? :) |
| 05:48.11 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I don't think the .so is unloading, it is just destroying the instance |
| 05:48.55 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.56 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.07 | Zuchmir2 | looks like everone's got a different cross-compiler :-) |
| 05:49.08 | destinal | if you just push a scene you destroy the plugin it seems |
| 05:49.24 | destinal | I would have created a new stage and pushed it there |
| 05:49.35 | destinal | maybe it would have come up in another card, but I'm ok with that for now |
| 05:49.59 | mrvc | destinal: yeah, that may be the best way |
| 05:50.12 | Zuchmir2 | was hping somehow to get to NP_Shutdown() which would hopefully avoid a reboot on each compile |
| 05:50.15 | mrvc | destinal: it'll get a bit confusing if you have multiple sessions though |
| 05:51.51 | destinal | we could always do what classic did, and use a seperate process for our program and make the plugin an adapter between luna and program |
| 05:51.52 | Rick__ | destinal it should not have destroyed the plugin... in the inspector when you push a scene, it inserts that scene INTO THE DOM above the scene you were viewing. |
| 05:52.13 | Rick__ | that's just weird behavior. |
| 05:52.23 | Rick__ | but that's clearly WHY classic did it that way. |
| 05:53.43 | Rick__ | so destinal the idea is, pushing the scene destroyes the plugin, and when you come back to the scene, the plugin is re-created, but all it does is provide a viewport into the back-end program running in a seperate process? |
| 05:53.55 | destinal | exactly |
| 05:53.57 | Rick__ | so the back end process is still logged in.... |
| 05:54.09 | PuffTheMagic | you guys make progress or just speculating? |
| 05:54.19 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: speculating |
| 05:54.30 | Rick__ | and in the state you left it or, updated by events in the terminal, but in any event you get state info from the back-end-process. |
| 05:54.56 | destinal | right, that's basically how they did it (and kill the process when they destroy the card) |
| 05:55.17 | PuffTheMagic | i am pretty sure plugins get loaded once when luna starts |
| 05:55.23 | Rick__ | isn't that actually -simpler- in some sense, because the back end process is "just" a terminal app... and the plugin does the graphic stuff to provide a viewport? |
| 05:55.31 | destinal | yeah they get loaded but not instantiated |
| 05:55.33 | PuffTheMagic | so each terminal session will need a thread within the plugin |
| 05:55.38 | Zuchmir2 | would responding to hasproperty of ownerDocument help any? |
| 05:56.22 | PuffTheMagic | Pushing a scene does not destroy the plugin |
| 05:56.31 | PuffTheMagic | i tired pushing a new "term" scene |
| 05:56.32 | destinal | It sends it a shutdown event |
| 05:56.38 | PuffTheMagic | and you could still type in the shell |
| 05:56.41 | destinal | oh? |
| 05:56.46 | PuffTheMagic | naa it didnt shutdown at all |
| 05:56.47 | destinal | well term is already running |
| 05:56.52 | destinal | so pushing it just goes back there |
| 05:56.54 | PuffTheMagic | but the menu was sorta jacked up |
| 05:57.09 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: first off... we definately need to create a new stage |
| 05:57.23 | destinal | but for preferences it would be a little weird I agree |
| 05:57.26 | PuffTheMagic | but i think you are right that we need a thread per stage |
| 05:57.32 | destinal | to have prefs show up in another card |
| 05:57.33 | PuffTheMagic | for preferences it is easy |
| 05:57.39 | PuffTheMagic | cause that is a difference scene |
| 05:57.47 | destinal | but that kills it now |
| 05:57.48 | destinal | check it out |
| 05:57.55 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i was able make an alert dialog work |
| 05:57.59 | PuffTheMagic | and it didnt kill the plugin |
| 05:58.04 | PuffTheMagic | and that is just a type of scene |
| 05:58.16 | PuffTheMagic | so a preferences scene shouldnt kill it either |
| 05:58.20 | destinal | ok so why are we getting called to shutdown? |
| 05:58.47 | PuffTheMagic | i have no idea what you are actually doing when that happens |
| 05:58.52 | destinal | when the preferences scene is pushed |
| 05:59.01 | PuffTheMagic | code? |
| 05:59.01 | mrvc | It is destroying the javascript object, and then the plugin instance |
| 05:59.06 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: git repo |
| 05:59.33 | PuffTheMagic | mrvc: we need to go headless on this |
| 05:59.35 | mrvc | and when you come back to the original scene, it re-creates the plugin instance and the javascript object |
| 05:59.37 | PuffTheMagic | and use AppAssistant |
| 05:59.43 | destinal | so there isn't a way to push without destroying the javascript objects? |
| 05:59.53 | destinal | or another stage? |
| 06:00.02 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: look into using AppAssistant and headless |
| 06:00.02 | destinal | since another stage mandates another card right? |
| 06:00.09 | PuffTheMagic | its gonna be the way to go |
| 06:00.13 | destinal | and prefs in another card admittedly would be werid |
| 06:00.17 | destinal | weird |
| 06:00.29 | PuffTheMagic | you create termplugin in the constructor for the AppAssistant |
| 06:00.34 | PuffTheMagic | then its available to all scenes |
| 06:00.47 | PuffTheMagic | and stages |
| 06:01.06 | destinal | so that means it won't destroy our js object when we push over the top? |
| 06:01.13 | PuffTheMagic | but i cant seem to get anything working right now using sources.json style |
| 06:01.33 | destinal | or that we'll have to push another card |
| 06:01.34 | Zuchmir2 | where did "org.webosinternals.term/stylesheets/term.css" come from in the git? |
| 06:02.29 | Rick__ | PuffTheMagic you're using the appassistant in sources without a scene line? so it front-loads? |
| 06:02.35 | PuffTheMagic | hey guys... i think you/we should start creating branches when you are gonna test broken test code |
| 06:02.43 | PuffTheMagic | then when its working merge it back into master |
| 06:02.55 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_: what? |
| 06:03.15 | PuffTheMagic | app-assistant does not seem to go in sources.json |
| 06:03.23 | PuffTheMagic | at least i dont see it in any other code |
| 06:03.29 | Rick__ | k |
| 06:03.37 | destinal | Rick__: I think he's using a similar technique to the browser where it starts headless and then dynamically creates stages and scenes |
| 06:03.41 | PuffTheMagic | but i need to start using the emulator |
| 06:03.49 | Rick__ | right |
| 06:03.51 | destinal | or you knew that |
| 06:03.54 | destinal | kk |
| 06:03.54 | Rick__ | got it. |
| 06:04.34 | destinal | since the browser is capable of being launched again from the launcher that would make term more intuitive |
| 06:04.49 | Rick__ | you can put _any_ script in sources.json without a scene line, and they front-load before any scene is instantiated. I'm not saying you don't need to use the headless / created scenes technique, |
| 06:05.09 | Rick__ | I think you do. I'm just pointing out that sources.json front-loads any js files that don't mention a scene. |
| 06:05.24 | Rick__ | Right. |
| 06:05.35 | Zuchmir2 | Exception caught in V8Proxy::CallFunction (0) (Uncaught TypeError: Object #<an HTMLObjectElement> has no method 'sendKeyUp') |
| 06:05.39 | Rick__ | reverse browser's structure so that you can see why it's capable of being multi-loaded. |
| 06:05.59 | destinal | Zuchmir2: that's what happens when your terminal object isn't there |
| 06:06.02 | destinal | err embed |
| 06:06.32 | Zuchmir2 | i know, i'm pointing that out |
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| 06:07.19 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: yeah, it seems that when you go to another stage, the plugin loses the instance, and it becomes just another dom object |
| 06:07.55 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I guess it should remove the event listeners in deactivate or something |
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| 06:08.02 | mrvc | deactivate(0 |
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| 06:08.06 | mrvc | deactivate() |
| 06:08.19 | PuffTheMagic | woah |
| 06:08.26 | PuffTheMagic | i see why shit gets messed up |
| 06:08.31 | PuffTheMagic | you need to create a new stage |
| 06:10.08 | Zuchmir2 | ok, i see it calls Object_Deallocate, followed by NPP_Destroy |
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| 06:22.20 | PuffTheMagic | well i still think we need to use AppAssistant to work with multiple stages |
| 06:22.42 | PuffTheMagic | but ineed to go to bed |
| 06:22.44 | PuffTheMagic | ttl |
| 06:22.47 | PuffTheMagic | ttyl |
| 06:23.00 | mrvc | me too |
| 06:23.21 | mrvc | will have to experiment more tomorrow |
| 06:24.31 | Eguy-sleep | Anybody have "unable to connect" in the update app after 1.1? |
| 06:24.43 | Eguy-sleep | My Profile is verified |
| 06:28.11 | oc80z | whats good |
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| 06:32.27 | CIA-35 | bzhou * r10511 optware/trunk/make/irssi.mk: irssi: 0.8.13 -> 0.8.14 |
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| 07:07.33 | JC2 | root@gemux86:/tmp# cat /tmp/optware-bootstrap.sh.log |
| 07:07.58 | JC2 | Creating new /opt directory: |
| 07:08.06 | JC2 | OK |
| 07:08.16 | JC2 | Mounting /dev/hdb to /opt: |
| 07:08.45 | JC2 | ERROR: /dev/hdb does not exist |
| 07:09.07 | JC2 | root@gemux86:/tmp# |
| 07:11.58 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: added to your prefs page: color |
| 07:17.02 | tlz | prefs page for the terminal? |
| 07:21.42 | Zuchmir2 | yes |
| 07:22.32 | tlz | nice |
| 07:22.38 | tlz | when i click perfs, it doesn't open heh |
| 07:22.56 | Zuchmir2 | ... the prefs page has been causing a "reset" to the terminal |
| 07:23.16 | Zuchmir2 | it's in the new HEAD, not yet in the package |
| 07:23.22 | tlz | ahh |
| 07:23.28 | tlz | so its in a future version.. |
| 07:23.34 | Zuchmir2 | yeah |
| 07:24.01 | tlz | werd! |
| 07:30.21 | rwhitby | JC2: you need to create a virtual disk first, as the wiki page says |
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| 07:48.13 | destinal | rwhitby: hey |
| 07:48.24 | rwhitby | destinal: yup |
| 07:49.10 | destinal | just saying hello.. ever feel like you're warping your brain in too many different directions learning many topics at once? |
| 07:49.23 | rwhitby | destinal: every day my friend |
| 07:49.44 | rwhitby | and today especially |
| 07:50.50 | destinal | I guess its best never to stop that. still, javascript, css, sqlite3, c++, java, dbus, .. it definitely seems like palm wanted to create an *interesting* platform :) |
| 07:51.22 | destinal | rwhitby: you're in japan? |
| 07:52.00 | rwhitby | hai |
| 07:53.05 | destinal | getting ready to go out to defcon in las vegas -- should be interesting. I hate airports, however |
| 07:54.29 | rwhitby | have fun at defcon |
| 07:55.17 | destinal | do you ever try to make it up to the states for defcon / blackhat? |
| 07:58.10 | rwhitby | nope, not my area |
| 08:01.04 | destinal | ah well, must sleep. have a good (afternoon?) |
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| 08:50.46 | tris | okay, where's this armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ at... |
| 09:38.03 | Decimation | yoo, anyone here? |
| 09:38.23 | jwm | yes |
| 09:38.26 | jwm | unfortunately |
| 09:38.34 | jwm | instead of sleepign |
| 09:38.38 | Decimation | lol, i forgot to backup 3 files :/ |
| 09:38.38 | jwm | I'm up trading |
| 09:38.49 | Decimation | any chance you would have them? |
| 09:39.16 | jwm | my phone is too far away |
| 09:39.16 | jwm | heh |
| 09:39.20 | jwm | it's in the car |
| 09:39.43 | Decimation | aww man. |
| 09:39.45 | Decimation | lol |
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| 10:38.34 | Decimation | anyone here? |
| 10:55.57 | Decimation | ? |
| 10:58.38 | Sjpeterman | morning |
| 11:01.46 | james_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Enable_Landscape_Viewing_in_Email |
| 11:01.50 | james_ | someone edited this page again |
| 11:01.53 | james_ | IT WORKS |
| 11:04.45 | Decimation | hey |
| 11:04.52 | Decimation | i used the palm site to download the webos doctor |
| 11:04.58 | Decimation | where does the .jar file save to? |
| 11:05.15 | james_ | where ever you told it to |
| 11:05.34 | Decimation | no.. i didnt get a choice |
| 11:05.49 | Decimation | it downloaded some like.. 100 kb java installer thing |
| 11:06.01 | Decimation | then that thing downloaded the actually jar |
| 11:06.01 | james_ | ok, sorry |
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| 12:00.23 | mikedg | anyone know where text messages are stored? |
| 12:10.01 | rwhitby | Decimation: use the direct link to the jar file from our WebOS_Doctor wiki page |
| 12:11.59 | drnull | mikedg: did you check the tracker app http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/GPS_Tracking? since it reads incoming text messages and sends back location info, I'd guess it knows. |
| 12:12.46 | mikedg | drnull: i have not |
| 12:13.17 | mikedg | i screwed up quite a bit oops :( |
| 12:13.46 | mikedg | i somehow made it so my girlfriend will not show up in the messaging list when she sends a txt |
| 12:13.47 | mikedg | lol |
| 12:13.54 | mikedg | i cant reproduce it either :( |
| 12:14.22 | mikedg | woops |
| 12:14.39 | mikedg | i tried getting the same to happen for other contacts but no luck |
| 12:15.10 | mikedg | cause it could come in handy for when you have more than 1 girlfriend :) |
| 12:18.06 | mikedg | thanks tho drnull that looks helpful |
| 12:18.08 | rwhitby | mikedg: you could make it location dependent too |
| 12:18.29 | rwhitby | at girlfriend 1's house, don't show girlfriend 2's txts |
| 12:18.34 | rwhitby | and vice versa |
| 12:19.13 | mikedg | haha |
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| 12:28.45 | mikedg | it appears they dont really delete messages when you delete messages |
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| 12:35.26 | mikedg | my phone seems to be perpetually in a writable mode |
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| 12:47.35 | mikedg | what a pain :( |
| 12:51.42 | mikedg | is gonna try deleting a few of these ables |
| 12:51.43 | mikedg | hmm |
| 12:55.13 | mikedg | SQL error: no such collation sequence: LOCALIZED_SECONDARY |
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| 13:23.21 | mikedg | lol |
| 13:23.40 | mikedg | just figured out why i couldnt delete stuff from my phone |
| 13:23.41 | mikedg | doh |
| 13:23.48 | mikedg | i was ocnnected to the meulator with noovaterm |
| 13:26.07 | mikedg | well my attempt at fixing this didnt work :( |
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| 13:34.00 | i700plus | hey all |
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| 13:47.52 | PuffTheMagic | morning |
| 13:50.48 | mikedg | bah i never realised sqlite has triggers |
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| 13:58.02 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: ping |
| 14:00.32 | mikedg | think im gonn ahave to redoctor up :( |
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| 14:42.36 | mikedg | tryign a last ditch atttempt |
| 14:42.51 | mikedg | to fix this by deleting all my contacts |
| 14:45.00 | epyon2 | ~seen atlanta |
| 14:45.01 | infobot | atlanta <i=c6167a04@gateway/web/freenode/x-2521736d5be7f992> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 22h 59m 28s ago, saying: 'so i dont do it'. |
| 14:47.30 | i700plus | nice |
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| 14:56.37 | i700plus | and i said how about breakfast at tiffanys.... |
| 14:56.43 | i700plus | whoops wrong window! |
| 14:56.46 | PuffTheMagic | I GOT MULTIPLE CARDS WORKING!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:56.48 | PuffTheMagic | whoot! |
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| 14:58.18 | A2NY | ~help |
| 14:58.26 | A2NY | ~seen destinal-zzzz |
| 14:58.28 | infobot | destinal-zzzz is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 6d 1h 9m 29s, last said: 'rwhitby: good progress!'. |
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| 15:15.04 | A2NY | ~help |
| 15:15.27 | A2NY | ~ircstats |
| 15:15.27 | infobot | Currently I'm hooked up to irc.us.freenode.net:6667 but only for 1d 6h 38m 14s. I had to reconnect 12 times. Connectivity: 6.251 %. I was last disconnected for 'Connection reset by peer'. |
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| 15:15.44 | A2NY | ~cpustats |
| 15:15.44 | infobot | Total CPU usage: 73123.2 s ... Total used: 2.7 % (parent/child ratio: 100.0 %) |
| 15:15.52 | i700plus | ~ seen i700plus |
| 15:15.54 | infobot | i700plus is currently on #webos-internals (20m 37s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~ seen i700plus'. |
| 15:17.22 | A2NY | ~wtf |
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| 15:26.05 | i700plus | Does anyone know how hard/possible it would be to install x on the debian-small image on my pre and possibly run it? would directfb work? |
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| 15:30.07 | PuffTheMagic | i700plus: technically running X on the Pre is possible |
| 15:30.20 | PuffTheMagic | using the standard palm userland.... might be tricky |
| 15:30.28 | PuffTheMagic | you could use a gentoo arm7 stage3 |
| 15:30.33 | PuffTheMagic | pretty easily |
| 15:30.38 | PuffTheMagic | i know nothing about debian-small |
| 15:30.53 | i700plus | i'm going to reasearch it a bit and give it a try, id love to see it work |
| 15:31.18 | PuffTheMagic | it will involve a LOT of work though |
| 15:31.30 | PuffTheMagic | have the doctor ready to restore your pre ;) |
| 15:31.45 | i700plus | i can only imagine, |
| 15:31.47 | i700plus | oh well, i've got nothing to lose |
| 15:35.29 | i700plus | i'm relaly new to the whole linux thing, would it be possible to do exactly what is done to run doom on the pre, put the gentoo img on the pre and use chroot to start x? then run x that way? |
| 15:35.54 | PuffTheMagic | LOL |
| 15:36.03 | PuffTheMagic | you are new to linux and you want to try and get X running on a Pre |
| 15:36.12 | PuffTheMagic | ever hear of baby steps? |
| 15:36.21 | J0sH | jump the gun much |
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| 15:36.33 | i700plus | well im not new, ive used many distros but im new to the whole console thing |
| 15:36.55 | PuffTheMagic | so you dont really "know linux" you just use it? |
| 15:37.13 | PuffTheMagic | have you ever installed slackware or gentoo sucessfully? |
| 15:37.18 | i700plus | im learning... slowly and know enough to get around.. yes |
| 15:37.21 | PuffTheMagic | and used it for any lengh of time? |
| 15:38.03 | PuffTheMagic | i700plus: i would really just wait till someone has a plain or linux image that you can dump onto the pre |
| 15:38.10 | PuffTheMagic | if you want to run your phone with out Luna |
| 15:38.27 | i700plus | yeah, true |
| 15:38.45 | i700plus | im not trying to sound stupid, im just asking to learn lol |
| 15:38.47 | PuffTheMagic | i mean im not trying to say to go explore and try things |
| 15:38.51 | PuffTheMagic | cause thats how I learn too |
| 15:39.05 | PuffTheMagic | but its not gonna be like installing ubuntu |
| 15:41.22 | i700plus | y mean you are right about the whole know linux and just using it, i know a very small ammount about how to use it, but enough to mess around, i know nothing about directory structure or basic console commands, i've got doom running on the pre so i can follow directions and also am running irssi in debian on the pre. |
| 15:41.59 | i700plus | i just dont know anything but the basics... |
| 15:43.48 | PuffTheMagic | i700plus: if you are serious about learning... install something like gentoo (if you have a fast enought cpu to compile your whole system in less than a day) |
| 15:43.53 | PuffTheMagic | if not try something like slackware |
| 15:44.01 | PuffTheMagic | they make you do everything from the ground up |
| 15:44.09 | PuffTheMagic | and you will learn a lot along the way |
| 15:52.25 | i700plus | im just going to install windows 7 on the pre.. .haha runs good on my laptop why not on the pre! |
| 15:52.38 | i700plus | Â /sarcasm |
| 15:54.16 | j0sh | thats like getting xp to boot through emulation on the ps3, i heard it took a full day to start up |
| 15:54.33 | A2NY | j0sh, no |
| 15:55.05 | j0sh | or was it the ps2 oO |
| 15:55.12 | A2NY | prob ps2 |
| 15:55.30 | i700plus | haha, or running virtualpc with linux running cedega playing counterstrike... |
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| 16:06.05 | mikedg | does the device partial reset screw with ur palm profile? |
| 16:06.49 | hopspitfire | i700plus: I made a Gentoo stage 1 guide if you wanna learn: http://xerq.net |
| 16:07.20 | i700plus | nice i will take a look. thanks a ton |
| 16:08.36 | mikedg | well i hope not cause i just did it |
| 16:09.49 | mikedg | ugh it doesnt appea rot do jack shit |
| 16:10.36 | mikedg | nothing appears to have been erased |
| 16:14.37 | PuffTheMagic | mikedg: the partial erase and full erase dont seem to do jack |
| 16:14.44 | PuffTheMagic | except for erasing your media |
| 16:14.48 | PuffTheMagic | if you do the full erase |
| 16:14.58 | PuffTheMagic | all your apps and settings will still be there |
| 16:15.06 | PuffTheMagic | if you want a nice clean erase use the doctor |
| 16:15.19 | mikedg | i tried partial erase, i noticed no difference |
| 16:15.27 | A2NY | the palm profile will restore your apps |
| 16:16.37 | mikedg | uess im stuck without being able to eaisly text my gf for a few days bah |
| 16:17.09 | PuffTheMagic | "app store installed apps" |
| 16:17.14 | PuffTheMagic | not custom apps |
| 16:17.46 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-zzzz: WAKE UP!!! |
| 16:17.58 | mikedg | i dont wanna do a doctor, cause i have a handful of crap on the media side of my drive i dont wanna lose |
| 16:18.12 | PuffTheMagic | mikedg: back it up |
| 16:18.20 | PuffTheMagic | usb2.0 is fast |
| 16:18.22 | PuffTheMagic | wont take long |
| 16:19.05 | mikedg | pre always seems slow to me |
| 16:19.25 | mikedg | on usb mode |
| 16:20.40 | mikedg | oh crap |
| 16:20.53 | mikedg | apparently i already did a web doctor on it without backin that stuff up |
| 16:20.55 | mikedg | woops |
| 16:21.32 | hopspitfire | I've been looking to get the extended battery: http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BACY26PMPRE-BK |
| 16:21.42 | hopspitfire | Will this fit in the side pouch-case from Sprint? |
| 16:21.44 | mikedg | id get it if someone rigs up touchstone |
| 16:21.45 | jl | is there a reason they need your serial number before you can download the doctor |
| 16:22.34 | hopspitfire | jl: It contains an unencrypted copy of the entire filesystem witha ll the source-code, probably to keep people who don't have the phone away from their code |
| 16:22.54 | jl | ah |
| 16:23.17 | jl | anyone notice a dead pixel in theirs? i didnt notice it until i ran the terminal app, lol |
| 16:23.31 | hopspitfire | jl: Do you mean a stuck pixel? |
| 16:23.38 | jl | yeah i guess |
| 16:24.43 | hopspitfire | Yeah, those are pretty common with the Pre's from what I've heard. I'd take it to Sprint if you wanted to see about possibly getting a new one |
| 16:25.57 | jl | its really hard to see in good lighting conditions, but was thinking about restoring it and going back to the store, only got the phone on the 16th of this month |
| 16:26.52 | hopspitfire | You're still under the 30-day replacement deal. They replaced my first one without any problems. |
| 16:27.12 | hopspitfire | The 2nd replacement was a bit trickier, but they sitll did it. |
| 16:27.15 | PuffTheMagic | hopspitfire: i am pretty sure that extended batter is the same size that the stock battery |
| 16:27.24 | PuffTheMagic | and its only 120% stock capacity |
| 16:27.29 | PuffTheMagic | idk if thats worth it |
| 16:27.42 | hopspitfire | Hrmm, the original is 1800 and the extended is 2600 |
| 16:28.01 | PuffTheMagic | hopspitfire: have you read the reviews |
| 16:28.07 | PuffTheMagic | everything says 20% more battery life |
| 16:28.11 | PuffTheMagic | what what i've read about it |
| 16:28.48 | PuffTheMagic | but maybe that is because Palms powerd uses percentage and not remaining mwh |
| 16:29.09 | mikedg | original is not 1800 |
| 16:29.33 | mikedg | the same size extended battery is 20% better |
| 16:29.40 | mikedg | theres also a thicker battery though thats 2600mah |
| 16:29.45 | PuffTheMagic | ohhhh |
| 16:30.15 | hopspitfire | mikedg: Yeah, the 2600 one is what I'm looking at. I just popped my battery, it's 1150 my bad. |
| 16:30.39 | mikedg | im mtrying afull reset without the doctor lets see if it does anythign |
| 16:31.05 | hopspitfire | This is the 20%: http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BACY26PMPRE-BK |
| 16:31.16 | hopspitfire | This is the 90(?)%: http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BACY26PMPRE-BK |
| 16:31.19 | hopspitfire | oops |
| 16:31.26 | hopspitfire | 20%:http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/basi13pmx3.htm |
| 16:33.03 | mikedg | full reset did not work either ugh |
| 16:33.31 | PuffTheMagic | i told you it doesnt do shit |
| 16:33.32 | FreeTim3 | How do they get 190% if the stock one is 1150 and it's 2600 ? Isn't that 226 % ? |
| 16:33.49 | lmorchard | not sure if you've done the webos doctor before, but after reinstalling on mine I had to get my MSL code from sprint to get on the network again |
| 16:34.02 | mikedg | ive done it like 3 times |
| 16:34.04 | PuffTheMagic | lmorchard: i didnt |
| 16:34.15 | mikedg | its just a pain now cause i have bad service and an old version |
| 16:34.16 | PuffTheMagic | lmorchard: did you decline the TOS by accident? |
| 16:34.30 | lmorchard | Not as far as I can remember |
| 16:34.45 | lmorchard | I saw it as an issue on a forum somewhere too... which of course I forget where |
| 16:35.07 | lmorchard | Sounded like an intermittent issue |
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| 16:52.43 | aYellowBanana | what the fuck is with the pastebin? |
| 16:52.53 | aYellowBanana | I think it's glitching or something |
| 16:53.07 | A2NY | works fine for me |
| 16:54.34 | aYellowBanana | how many posts do you have? |
| 16:55.21 | PuffTheMagic | wgetpaste ftw! |
| 16:55.36 | PuffTheMagic | shakes destinal-zzzz's bed |
| 16:55.47 | A2NY | ~seen destinal-zzzz |
| 16:55.48 | infobot | destinal-zzzz is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 6d 3h 6m 49s, last said: 'rwhitby: good progress!'. |
| 16:55.56 | PuffTheMagic | mrvc-zzz: ping!! |
| 16:56.03 | A2NY | ~seen destinal |
| 16:56.04 | infobot | destinal <n=destinal@97-112-146-52.clsp.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 8h 55m ago, saying: 'ah well, must sleep. have a good (afternoon?)'. |
| 16:56.07 | PuffTheMagic | A2NY: i know he is still asleep, we were all up mad late last night |
| 16:56.18 | PuffTheMagic | or at work |
| 16:56.19 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 16:57.01 | emkman | anyone here going to defcon? I know destinal might be |
| 16:57.26 | PuffTheMagic | what country/state/date? |
| 16:57.49 | emkman | haha |
| 16:57.52 | emkman | Las Vegas |
| 16:57.57 | emkman | starts tomorrow |
| 16:57.59 | emkman | thru Sunday |
| 16:58.06 | PuffTheMagic | ahh, i wont be |
| 16:58.07 | emkman | www.defcon.org |
| 16:58.19 | emkman | annual computer security/drinking conference |
| 16:58.25 | emkman | lots of fun |
| 16:59.47 | i700plus | im going and am going to hack with my pre |
| 16:59.54 | i700plus | im going to show them all who is boss |
| 17:00.00 | A2NY | =\ |
| 17:00.05 | A2NY | facepalm |
| 17:00.05 | aYellowBanana | what exactly are you going to show them plus? |
| 17:00.05 | emkman | nice |
| 17:00.24 | emkman | ever been before plus? |
| 17:00.25 | A2NY | i700plus is going to show them how he can get root |
| 17:00.30 | hopspitfire | I want to go this year :( I love Grey Hat conventions |
| 17:00.36 | aYellowBanana | A2NY, LMAO |
| 17:00.36 | i700plus | im going to show them how i hacked into your computer and stole your pr0n collection... all from my palm pre |
| 17:00.46 | emkman | and you could even watch it after |
| 17:00.48 | A2NY | on EVDO right ? |
| 17:00.49 | i700plus | no... i wish i was there before |
| 17:00.56 | emkman | ah |
| 17:01.00 | emkman | this will be my 4th i think |
| 17:01.00 | aYellowBanana | i700plus, did you use sub7 |
| 17:01.01 | i700plus | yes im going to show them how to SUDO!!! |
| 17:01.10 | emkman | but im looking for another player for my hacker jeopardy team |
| 17:01.10 | i700plus | brb |
| 17:01.18 | A2NY | just |
| 17:01.31 | A2NY | walk up to everyones box and sudo rm -rf / |
| 17:03.14 | i700plus | i need to wait until i get drunk so i dont feel my self getting punched by a million geeks haha |
| 17:03.44 | A2NY | they will just take your wallet and post your info on b |
| 17:03.55 | aYellowBanana | rofl |
| 17:04.16 | i700plus | oh great... not /b/ |
| 17:04.26 | A2NY | \d\ |
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| 17:04.32 | PuffTheMagic | lol /b |
| 17:04.42 | i700plus | they will force me to sing WHEN I WAS... |
| 17:04.45 | PuffTheMagic | i really was hoping this channel would be /b free |
| 17:04.52 | PuffTheMagic | i guess there is no escaping it anywhere on irc |
| 17:05.03 | hopspitfire | Nowhere is safe |
| 17:05.05 | aYellowBanana | PuffTheMagic, STOP, before you get us even deeper |
| 17:05.10 | aYellowBanana | O_O |
| 17:05.32 | hopspitfire | I had a friend who posted a few times on /b/, went to his car and found a piece of paper in his windshield "Sup /b/" |
| 17:05.40 | aYellowBanana | this is fucked up. there's only one post in the web os pastebin and it's an error |
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| 17:06.00 | i700plus | 1. post webos-channel on b 2.come back to channel 3 ?????? 4. PROFIT!!! |
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| 17:06.12 | aYellowBanana | oh God O_O |
| 17:06.52 | aYellowBanana | seriously, anyone here see any posts on pastebin? |
| 17:07.35 | aYellowBanana | SAM1AM, how fast is your comcast business connection? |
| 17:07.46 | A2NY | aYellowBanana, yes PB works for me |
| 17:07.55 | aYellowBanana | A2NY, how many posts do you see? |
| 17:08.13 | sam1am | aYellowBanana: I don't know, it's crappy |
| 17:08.40 | aYellowBanana | I'm thinking of switching to cable, but comcast is the only provider here >_> |
| 17:08.45 | aYellowBanana | fucking telecomm monopolies... |
| 17:08.48 | sam1am | What are you on now? |
| 17:08.49 | A2NY | jcrawford was last post |
| 17:08.53 | A2NY | 1 hour ago |
| 17:08.54 | aYellowBanana | AT&T DSL |
| 17:09.03 | sam1am | oh yea - it's better than that |
| 17:09.08 | A2NY | i use comcast @home |
| 17:09.09 | jcrawford | what did i post? |
| 17:09.09 | aYellowBanana | A2NY, well then it's confirmed, my pastebin is screwed up |
| 17:09.17 | jcrawford | oh pastebin :D |
| 17:09.36 | jcrawford | we have comcast here @ work and it is fast |
| 17:09.40 | A2NY | my comcast@home is 20MB/1MB |
| 17:09.42 | jcrawford | burstable to 16mbit |
| 17:09.50 | jcrawford | but i love my fios @ home :D |
| 17:09.59 | aYellowBanana | jcrawford, I hate you |
| 17:10.00 | jcrawford | fios @ home = 20/20 |
| 17:10.06 | aYellowBanana | melts in jealousy |
| 17:10.18 | jcrawford | honestly i am backing down the upload to 20/5 |
| 17:10.26 | jcrawford | just have no need for that fast of an upload :) |
| 17:10.29 | aYellowBanana | jcrawford, what's your average download speed from lets say sourceforge? |
| 17:11.00 | aYellowBanana | ARRGHH WTF?? pastebin only shows me one post. and it's an error message! fml |
| 17:11.13 | hopspitfire | aYellowBanana: screenshot it |
| 17:11.33 | aYellowBanana | oh shit |
| 17:11.36 | aYellowBanana | it's only on my firefox |
| 17:11.40 | aYellowBanana | IE shows it correctly |
| 17:11.41 | aYellowBanana | gags |
| 17:11.58 | hopspitfire | Which version? |
| 17:12.24 | jcrawford | aYellowBanana, usually between 2-3MB/s |
| 17:12.30 | aYellowBanana | I truthfully don't know. I think I'll reinstall FF, upgrade to the newest |
| 17:12.33 | jcrawford | rarely does it drop below 2MB/s |
| 17:12.39 | aYellowBanana | jcrawford, hm, do you think that's worth the money? |
| 17:12.46 | aYellowBanana | I hear it's expensive as fuck |
| 17:12.48 | jcrawford | aYellowBanana, i pay about $60/mo |
| 17:12.50 | jcrawford | for the internet |
| 17:12.54 | aYellowBanana | cringes |
| 17:12.56 | jcrawford | cheaper if i back down on the upload speed |
| 17:13.02 | aYellowBanana | my parents won't allow for that :( |
| 17:13.07 | mikedg | yup i need my msl |
| 17:13.08 | mikedg | grrr |
| 17:13.11 | jcrawford | but i have the tripple play phone, tv internet so i get the bundle price |
| 17:13.15 | mikedg | stupid phone isnt getting internet service now |
| 17:13.17 | PuffTheMagic | mikedg: got your old phone? |
| 17:13.18 | jcrawford | otherwise it is more |
| 17:13.21 | jcrawford | for just the internet |
| 17:13.26 | aYellowBanana | ohh fuuck |
| 17:13.27 | jcrawford | anyway have to get back to work :) |
| 17:13.32 | aYellowBanana | you have fun :) |
| 17:13.38 | jcrawford | my triple bill is like $180/mo |
| 17:13.40 | mikedg | so i cant even log into my palm profile |
| 17:13.41 | PuffTheMagic | mikedg: activate your old phone... |
| 17:13.45 | mikedg | and use the phone |
| 17:13.47 | PuffTheMagic | then when you go on sprints site |
| 17:13.54 | PuffTheMagic | there will be a way to get your msl |
| 17:13.59 | PuffTheMagic | so that you can re-activate the pre |
| 17:13.59 | mikedg | i dont have an old phone :( |
| 17:14.03 | mikedg | for this |
| 17:14.12 | hopspitfire | PuffTheMagic: where do you get your MSL? |
| 17:14.13 | PuffTheMagic | then call sprint and tell them to give you your msl |
| 17:14.20 | PuffTheMagic | sprint will give it to you |
| 17:14.26 | PuffTheMagic | thats how i've always gotten mine |
| 17:14.29 | PuffTheMagic | by calling sprint |
| 17:14.30 | mikedg | puff: then what do i do with it? |
| 17:14.40 | hopspitfire | ##[MSL]# |
| 17:14.43 | PuffTheMagic | mikedg: you were the one that said you needed it |
| 17:14.48 | sam1am | aYellowBanana: Move to Utah and get Utopia: 50mbit up/down $50/mo |
| 17:14.54 | aYellowBanana | oh shit, gotta close this IRC window to install FF. brb guys :) |
| 17:14.56 | PuffTheMagic | why would you say you need it with out knowing what to do with it |
| 17:15.00 | aYellowBanana | sam1am, are you fucking serious? |
| 17:15.04 | mikedg | someone here said you needed it if you ran doctor, then couldnt get internet |
| 17:15.04 | sam1am | Greatest thing I've ever experienced |
| 17:15.11 | aYellowBanana | why DON'T THEY HAVE THAT IN CHICAGO????? |
| 17:15.17 | aYellowBanana | THIS IS BLASPHEMY |
| 17:15.20 | sam1am | They don't have that anywhere |
| 17:15.25 | sam1am | Even fios isn't that good |
| 17:15.46 | aYellowBanana | but you just.... |
| 17:15.48 | aYellowBanana | ... |
| 17:15.49 | aYellowBanana | :-/ |
| 17:16.06 | A2NY | accidentally the whole thing ? |
| 17:16.10 | aYellowBanana | precisely |
| 17:16.19 | aYellowBanana | brb gais, installing newest FF |
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| 17:17.18 | aYellowBanana | yeah. I'm pissed off now |
| 17:17.25 | aYellowBanana | PB still is malfunctioning for me |
| 17:17.28 | aYellowBanana | facepalms |
| 17:17.38 | A2NY | lafs |
| 17:17.45 | aYellowBanana | God help me if I have to switch to IE |
| 17:17.53 | A2NY | i use google chrome |
| 17:17.55 | aYellowBanana | I think it's time to Safari |
| 17:18.04 | A2NY | safari 4 is pretty good actually |
| 17:18.11 | aYellowBanana | the newest is amazing |
| 17:18.14 | aYellowBanana | I love their homepage feature |
| 17:18.17 | aYellowBanana | so sexy |
| 17:18.21 | aYellowBanana | and the speed is INSANE |
| 17:18.35 | aYellowBanana | and I can't even imagine it on a sixty four bit OS X sytem |
| 17:18.54 | aYellowBanana | I've never had any luck with a hackintosh or virtualizing it >_> |
| 17:19.45 | A2NY | chrome still uses less mem than safari |
| 17:20.08 | aYellowBanana | but, I'll tell you the reason I don't use it |
| 17:20.18 | A2NY | firefox add-ins ? |
| 17:20.24 | aYellowBanana | chrome sends every keystroke in the URL bar with or without pressing the return button |
| 17:20.42 | aYellowBanana | I truthfully think google has enough user mined data, I don't want to give even more |
| 17:20.46 | aYellowBanana | they really piss me off with that |
| 17:21.13 | mikedg | safari looks so odd on windows though |
| 17:21.26 | A2NY | its decent |
| 17:21.27 | aYellowBanana | eh. newest looks okay to me ^.^ |
| 17:21.33 | A2NY | displays some web pages odd though |
| 17:22.00 | aYellowBanana | A2NY, that's why I switched back to FF :( |
| 17:22.17 | aYellowBanana | but supposedly they have the best rendering engine |
| 17:22.25 | aYellowBanana | it passed all the certifications perfectly, etc |
| 17:22.32 | aYellowBanana | fastest render speed, etc |
| 17:22.55 | aYellowBanana | I would still be using Safari if I didn't reformat my PC lately |
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| 17:23.05 | aYellowBanana | brb gais |
| 17:23.13 | aYellowBanana | ;; afk for a couple minutes |
| 17:23.53 | ericg | ok so im on the wiki trying to install optware |
| 17:24.29 | ericg | i have the SDK and everything installed but how do i access the pre with a terminal to follow this guide which is telling me to cd /tmp and wget |
| 17:24.38 | CIA-35 | bzhou * r10512 optware/trunk/make/irssi.mk: irssi: clean irssi-dev directories |
| 17:26.11 | ericg | Just a suggestion. Step number 4 states "if you are on mac or linux" and then indented bullets under step 4 indicates that those are additional items for "mac or linux" |
| 17:26.48 | ericg | Lazy skim readers like me running on windows at the moment, will skip over the bullets... now I notice them I can continue |
| 17:30.44 | tmzt | what's going on with irssi, is that related to this channel? |
| 17:30.56 | tmzt | the optware package I mean |
| 17:31.15 | tmzt | aYellowBanana: try arora if your on ubuntu, it's really nice |
| 17:32.48 | ericg | does anyone know how i can save to sdk/bin on vista when it says i dont have privledges(sp) |
| 17:33.27 | Rick_ | ericg you have to run the command window as administrator |
| 17:33.42 | Rick_ | ericg I re-structured the explananiotn, does it make more sense now? |
| 17:34.12 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_: have you been hacking on terminal/termplugin at all |
| 17:34.32 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_: i got multiple cards working, and i get some events working, but the return/enter key is not |
| 17:34.37 | PuffTheMagic | cant seem to figure it out |
| 17:35.22 | Rick_ | PuffTheMagic no, sorry |
| 17:35.26 | ericg | yes Rick, much better... thanks! |
| 17:35.28 | PuffTheMagic | ok no biggie |
| 17:35.46 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_: i will wait for destinal or mrvc to wake up ;) |
| 17:35.47 | A2NY | Rick_ |
| 17:36.02 | destinal-zzzz | PuffTheMagic: here |
| 17:36.16 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-zzzz: check out the master-rewrite branch |
| 17:36.17 | A2NY | speak of the devil |
| 17:36.26 | PuffTheMagic | destinal-zzzz: i got cards working |
| 17:36.31 | destinal-zzzz | awesome |
| 17:36.38 | PuffTheMagic | if you click on the terminal icon in the launches |
| 17:36.43 | PuffTheMagic | i cant get it working from the menu yet |
| 17:36.48 | destinal | is packing for defcon but that sounds very cool |
| 17:36.50 | PuffTheMagic | im not understanding something |
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| 17:37.08 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: but i cant get the enter key working |
| 17:37.32 | ericg | btw, awesome job with everything guys! |
| 17:38.10 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: did you base your stuff on the latest mojo app? |
| 17:38.24 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: what do you mean? |
| 17:38.42 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i am using lightweight stages, and sources.json and app-assistant.js |
| 17:38.42 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: we changed key handling a couple days ago, everything is going through a focused window getting key events and enter is still handled through javascript |
| 17:38.46 | PuffTheMagic | if thats what you are asking |
| 17:38.51 | destinal | but I think it's a different function call than it used to |
| 17:38.55 | destinal | old versions have enter key breakage |
| 17:38.59 | destinal | with new plugins |
| 17:39.02 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i pulled this morning |
| 17:39.06 | PuffTheMagic | and created a new branch based on that |
| 17:39.12 | destinal | hmm |
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| 17:39.22 | destinal | maybe the javascript call to the embed is not working then |
| 17:39.31 | destinal | since that's the only key that needs one |
| 17:39.58 | PuffTheMagic | can you explain this a little? |
| 17:40.14 | PuffTheMagic | i saw a comment about keycode 13 |
| 17:40.17 | PuffTheMagic | and the enter key |
| 17:40.20 | destinal | we used to capture all key events inside mojo and pass them to the embed with javascript calls |
| 17:40.22 | PuffTheMagic | and something about not being able to catch it |
| 17:40.25 | destinal | every key |
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| 17:41.04 | destinal | then mrvc figured out that we don't need to, that with the embed object focused, we get them as proper key events from luna |
| 17:41.17 | destinal | except the enter key was NEVER coming through |
| 17:41.30 | destinal | so he had to use the same catch in mojo, pass with javascript, technique for enter key |
| 17:42.07 | PuffTheMagic | im not seeing how that was accomplished in the old code |
| 17:42.21 | mikedg | im gonna release a new ver of quickcut |
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| 17:43.03 | joesmith | hey yall |
| 17:44.40 | mikedg | i wonder if i can get a new pre by swinging by a sprint store with my problem phone |
| 17:44.41 | mikedg | hrmmm |
| 17:44.45 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: look for onKeyUp, onKeyPress |
| 17:44.53 | PuffTheMagic | i see them |
| 17:44.55 | mikedg | would be nince to replace the side of the phone |
| 17:44.58 | PuffTheMagic | they look the same for the most part |
| 17:44.59 | destinal | notice they call termplugin.SendKeyUp |
| 17:45.06 | destinal | etc |
| 17:45.13 | destinal | which is a function of the plugin object |
| 17:45.23 | destinal | ie it's exposed in the c++ code |
| 17:45.34 | PuffTheMagic | they dont all call .SendKeyUp |
| 17:45.47 | destinal | ? |
| 17:46.04 | PuffTheMagic | onKeyUp calls termplugin.sendKey |
| 17:46.11 | PuffTheMagic | onKeyPress calls termpluging.sendKeypress |
| 17:46.13 | destinal | right |
| 17:46.23 | PuffTheMagic | and onKeyDOwn calls termplugin.sendEnter() |
| 17:46.45 | destinal | right, if 13 |
| 17:46.49 | destinal | which is enter key code |
| 17:46.51 | A2NY | and thanks hopspitfire for adding to the show batt 1.1.0 patch |
| 17:47.06 | destinal | the other stuff may be outdated |
| 17:47.16 | destinal | only sendEnter is required I think' |
| 17:47.22 | destinal | if keycode = 13 |
| 17:47.41 | destinal | for the rest luna sends key codes directly to the plugin |
| 17:47.45 | destinal | when its focused |
| 17:48.07 | PuffTheMagic | right |
| 17:48.17 | PuffTheMagic | and i have termplugin focused |
| 17:48.26 | PuffTheMagic | cause i can type into it without tapping on it |
| 17:49.48 | destinal | so maybe the onkeydown isn't happening anymore |
| 17:49.52 | destinal | in the mojo |
| 17:49.59 | PuffTheMagic | something like that |
| 17:50.05 | destinal | check to make sure it didn't get broken with your changes |
| 17:51.13 | PuffTheMagic | how can i test that |
| 17:51.21 | PuffTheMagic | keyDown only send enter |
| 17:51.34 | PuffTheMagic | which isnt working |
| 17:51.44 | PuffTheMagic | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:51.45 | PuffTheMagic | i see why |
| 17:51.48 | PuffTheMagic | :/ |
| 17:51.51 | PuffTheMagic | im retarded |
| 17:53.42 | mikedg | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1788855#post1788855 new version of quick cut |
| 17:53.45 | mikedg | with a restart shortcut! |
| 17:54.00 | PuffTheMagic | well i thought i knew what the issue was |
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| 18:03.00 | czar` | hi |
| 18:03.13 | Sjpeterman | hi |
| 18:03.39 | Sjpeterman | how's everyone doing today? |
| 18:04.07 | *** part/#webos-internals czar` (n=czar@c-98-235-250-118.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 18:04.14 | Rick_ | we're here. |
| 18:04.25 | aYellowBanana | good day to you! |
| 18:04.29 | aYellowBanana | but I am off to relax. |
| 18:04.39 | aYellowBanana | have a great productive day everyone |
| 18:05.08 | ericg | Is there a method/tutorial to install apps onto the pre without being in developer mode (I've accessed linux). Or do we still require the dev mode / prebrew method? |
| 18:05.37 | Rick_ | ericg there is no technique to install apps without being in developer mode. |
| 18:05.44 | czarphanguye | Well that's awesome.. webos-terminal is stable enough to ssh home and run irssi. <3 |
| 18:05.47 | Rick_ | until "over the air" install is developed. |
| 18:06.00 | mikedg | i thought there was an app that installed them on your pre without dev mode? |
| 18:06.21 | Rick_ | over usb? |
| 18:06.32 | Rick_ | if you don't turn dev mode on, novacomm doesn't work. |
| 18:06.44 | mikedg | no |
| 18:06.47 | mikedg | on the device itself |
| 18:06.50 | Rick_ | ahhh |
| 18:07.24 | Rick_ | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194825-filecoaster-first-pre-gui-downloader-installer.html |
| 18:07.39 | ericg | Could I sftp the package onto the pre and use a command line ipk-get install or something similar? |
| 18:07.56 | Rick_ | ericg -- how you gonna do that without being in dev mode? |
| 18:08.31 | Rick_ | and what's the PROBLEM with it.... I've left my pre in dev mode for a month now. |
| 18:08.52 | Rick_ | but filecoaster will do it. |
| 18:08.57 | Rick_ | I just forgot for a moment. |
| 18:08.58 | mikedg | fuck ive left my pre in r/w mode for a while |
| 18:09.04 | ericg | sorry for the noob questions. So the package install doesn't work out of dev mode? Is there anything dev mode prohibits me from doing? |
| 18:09.12 | Rick_ | no |
| 18:09.13 | bougyman | i don't leave my pre in dev mode or rw |
| 18:09.18 | bougyman | i just use a debian chroot |
| 18:09.24 | Rick_ | it just turns ON the ability to novaterm into thepre. |
| 18:09.26 | bougyman | ssh over wifi is fast enough. |
| 18:09.28 | Rick_ | that's all it does |
| 18:09.44 | bougyman | i use the term mostly for ifconfig |
| 18:09.53 | bougyman | and to ssh when i'm mobile |
| 18:10.05 | ericg | so installing packages require novaterm? |
| 18:10.11 | bougyman | no |
| 18:10.25 | bougyman | you can ipkg-opt (or apt-get install from a debian chroot) via ssh from the pre |
| 18:10.32 | bougyman | er ssh to the pre. |
| 18:10.57 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: if you have a second could you go into your org.webosinternals.terminal directory and type "rm -rf *; git reset --hard; git checkout -b master-rewrite origin/master-rewrite" and see what I am missing |
| 18:11.13 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: if not i will wait for mrvc to pick his brain |
| 18:11.25 | bougyman | is there a new terminal release? |
| 18:11.49 | ericg | that's what i was originally asking, i can ssh into the pre and just ipkg-opt install a package from my pre only or over the network from my pc? |
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| 18:14.07 | tlp | czarphanguye: do you get color with irssi? |
| 18:14.18 | tlp | maybe my TERM variable needs to be set to something else |
| 18:14.34 | PuffTheMagic | tlp: you need to fix your profile |
| 18:14.42 | PuffTheMagic | i need to do some tweaks to get colored bash prompt |
| 18:15.50 | tlp | TERM=linux fixed it |
| 18:16.16 | czarphanguye | tlp: yeah color was working |
| 18:16.32 | czarphanguye | at least when using ls -lah |
| 18:20.07 | joesmith | Wow that shortcut app is sweet! |
| 18:20.28 | ericg | anyone have experience with putty, having trouble ssh'ing into my pre |
| 18:20.56 | joesmith | are you using port 222? |
| 18:21.01 | ericg | yes |
| 18:21.17 | joesmith | via usb or wifi |
| 18:21.22 | ericg | wifi |
| 18:21.30 | tlp | czarphanguye: does irssi look completely normal, or are there any glitches? My cursor looks weird. |
| 18:21.36 | joesmith | have you verified you can see your pre? |
| 18:21.40 | joesmith | ie ping |
| 18:21.53 | ericg | nope, one moment |
| 18:22.37 | czarphanguye | tlp: it works, but does have some redraw issues if you flip to landscape and back. the cursor area is pretty messed up too, but you can still type |
| 18:22.59 | tlp | yep |
| 18:23.06 | tlp | on my pre now |
| 18:23.11 | czarphanguye | tlp: nice |
| 18:23.22 | tlp | this is still exciting |
| 18:24.36 | ericg | meh i was using my public ip, rather than local network |
| 18:24.56 | hopspitfire | BitchX doesn't work on the Terminal app |
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| 18:25.19 | czarphanguye | tlp: what else are you using term for? irssi was about all I couldn't think off. That and rtorrent ;-) |
| 18:25.27 | bougyman | bitchx doesn't work. |
| 18:25.37 | bougyman | you can put the period right there ^ |
| 18:25.41 | joesmith | there ya go ericg usually we do silly mistakes |
| 18:26.13 | ericg | yep lol thanks for the help |
| 18:26.15 | tlp | czarphanguye: that's it so far. Just sshing into my home system and reattaching to screen |
| 18:26.59 | joesmith | is there an ssh app for the pre yet? |
| 18:27.05 | tlp | it's pretty cool to see a full-blown Linux system underneath the shiny webOS interface. They even use pulseaudio! |
| 18:27.14 | tlp | joesmith: sorta. You can use the Terminal + commandline ssh client. |
| 18:27.22 | joesmith | sshing from the pre to remote? |
| 18:27.26 | tlp | yes |
| 18:27.30 | czarphanguye | tlp: how's screen working? I wasn't sure I'd be able to detach or move around without Ctrl |
| 18:27.38 | bougyman | i have control |
| 18:27.42 | tlp | czarphanguye: haven't tried much yet. |
| 18:27.45 | bougyman | sym+button |
| 18:27.57 | bougyman | sym-A is C-a in screen |
| 18:28.05 | bougyman | sym-i does TAB |
| 18:28.16 | tlp | any way to change the green text to grey? |
| 18:28.22 | joesmith | tlp are you tellling me I can ssh over evdo to my firewall and log in? |
| 18:28.24 | czarphanguye | bougyman: thanks |
| 18:28.25 | bougyman | blasphemous |
| 18:28.28 | bougyman | blasphemous1 |
| 18:28.33 | bougyman | i love the green! |
| 18:28.35 | tlp | joesmith: yep |
| 18:28.43 | tlp | hehe, I don't dig it :) |
| 18:28.50 | joesmith | is there a thread that explains it a bit better? |
| 18:28.53 | destinal | tlp: configurable soon :) |
| 18:28.57 | bougyman | green or amber are the only proper terminal colors |
| 18:29.03 | bougyman | </opinion> |
| 18:29.50 | tlp | destinal: thanks for working on this (and any others); I've been patiently waiting for a webOS terminal. Just got a Pre, but I've been following the dev stuff since launch. |
| 18:30.03 | czarphanguye | bougyman: I'd pref a color like #cccccc myself |
| 18:30.56 | czarphanguye | destinal: awesome ;-) |
| 18:31.25 | tlp | I hope Palm or someone comes out with a battery upgrade |
| 18:31.40 | joesmith | they have extended batteries |
| 18:32.17 | joesmith | tlp is there anywhere that metions or demonstrates ssh from the pre? |
| 18:32.22 | tlp | 4.5 hours and I'm down to 62% from 100 |
| 18:32.37 | gkatsev | tlp: sounds about right |
| 18:32.49 | tlp | joesmith: Have you ever sshed into a system via the Linux command line? |
| 18:32.54 | JackieRipper | joesmith: what do you mean? |
| 18:32.56 | joesmith | yep |
| 18:33.04 | tlp | you just fire up the terminal and type 'ssh -p PORT user@host' |
| 18:33.33 | joesmith | I ddint know that worked on the pre, I havent installed terminal yet |
| 18:33.36 | joesmith | ty |
| 18:34.05 | tlp | They have a script on the wiki that sets it all up for you. |
| 18:34.13 | JackieRipper | joesmith: the Pre is a linux host that happens to be hand-held and have a phone application... connecting to another host via ssh is the same as from any other linux host. |
| 18:34.21 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: onkeydown isn't happening in c++ anymore |
| 18:34.22 | djk | any know if there is a way to use .pdb ereader files on the Pre? |
| 18:34.38 | gkatsev | terminal works for most things, except for installing stuff via ipkg-opt, i tried installing irssi on the pre from the pre via the terminal app, but it wouldnt let me |
| 18:34.44 | Rick_ | djk not yet |
| 18:34.45 | joesmith | and it works, over evdo right securely? |
| 18:34.49 | Rick_ | I'm working on that djk |
| 18:34.55 | Rick_ | in my "ample spare time" |
| 18:35.08 | czarphanguye | gkatsev: also tried installing irssi on the pre. didn't go to well |
| 18:35.15 | djk | Rick_: Of which you have lots of ;-) |
| 18:35.26 | tlp | I'd rather have a webOS IRC client if I were IRCing directly from the Pre |
| 18:35.27 | JackieRipper | joesmith: as securele as ssh... the encryption is apllication based |
| 18:35.36 | tlp | maybe I'll give a stab at that if no one else beats me to it. |
| 18:35.37 | Rick_ | oh yeah. I just sit around all day chattig on irc. |
| 18:35.40 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i merged it into master so you and mrvc dont miss it |
| 18:36.08 | gkatsev | well, also, evdo is essentially behind a giant nat router, so, thats a bit of security, but not much because other evdo users are on the same network |
| 18:38.05 | joesmith | gets exahusted reading all the cool things the pre can do, and keeping up on the news, hombrew and hacks |
| 18:39.03 | mikedg | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1788855#post1788855 |
| 18:39.09 | mikedg | joe dont miss quick cut |
| 18:39.39 | joesmith | I just installed it :) |
| 18:39.50 | joesmith | where are the icons stored? |
| 18:39.54 | ericg | whats the favorite terminal on the pre? |
| 18:40.16 | mikedg | they are all stored on the phone already, i just point to the existing ones |
| 18:40.23 | mikedg | none except the Q are included |
| 18:40.27 | joesmith | ohhhh |
| 18:40.35 | mikedg | im working on adding contact icons now though |
| 18:40.40 | joesmith | sweet |
| 18:40.53 | joesmith | been waiting for this |
| 18:41.00 | mikedg | i'm just having a hard time coming up with a generic framework for it |
| 18:41.24 | ericg | what are we talking about? |
| 18:41.33 | mikedg | dg quick cut for web os |
| 18:41.39 | joesmith | I saw awhile ago, someone made one of these for the app catalog to buy, but I think yours is the shit |
| 18:42.29 | joesmith | I was really disappointed by thsi not being a feature on day one |
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| 18:42.49 | mikedg | what specifically? |
| 18:42.55 | ericg | alright I'm going to go hook up my ubuntu box, bbl |
| 18:43.11 | joesmith | @ericg I think there is only one terminal for the pre atm |
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| 18:43.33 | joesmith | the shorcut for dialing contacts |
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| 18:44.07 | joesmith | it saves me about 4 seconds, which isnt much but it just annoyed me dialing |
| 18:44.24 | joesmith | because the speed dial blows I can dial faster then it |
| 18:44.50 | ericg | is that the dfb terminal emulator? |
| 18:45.32 | czarphanguye | bougyman: thanks for the tips. installed screen onto the pre and now I can close the term-app and reopen and just screen -raAd. |
| 18:49.10 | joesmith | how excatly does screen work on the pre? |
| 18:50.00 | joesmith | is the terminal reliant on webos internals? |
| 18:51.10 | czarphanguye | yea |
| 18:52.22 | tlp | 2600mAh battery looks interesting. 1350 doesn't seem worth it. |
| 18:52.37 | mikedg | i concur |
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| 18:52.42 | summatusmentis | is the 2600mAh battery the same size? |
| 18:52.42 | psykoz | 1350 is like spooning water out of the ocean ;) |
| 18:52.48 | psykoz | summatusmentis, no |
| 18:52.49 | tlp | summatusmentis: nope. |
| 18:52.54 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 18:52.56 | tlp | and it doesn't work with the Touchstone |
| 18:53.01 | psykoz | adds 1/8th an inch of size to your phone |
| 18:53.46 | CIA-35 | bzhou * r10513 optware/trunk/make/py-django.mk: py-django: 1.0.2 -> 1.1, py2[45] -> py2[56] |
| 18:54.31 | summatusmentis | oh, that battery cover is much nicer than the larger battery size on the centro |
| 18:55.10 | bougyman | i just keep a touchstone at my location. |
| 18:58.01 | bougyman | though i really wish I could rely on it to get 24hrs. |
| 18:58.27 | bougyman | is there a batter that works with the touchstone that does any better? |
| 18:58.52 | joesmith | I was wondering the same thing |
| 18:58.56 | Zuchmir2 | look like palm is pushing a new update? anyone test it? |
| 18:59.00 | tlp | the 1350 might |
| 18:59.24 | joesmith | have you dont the tips to conserve battery life |
| 18:59.44 | tlp | I think the reason the 2600 doesn't work with Touchstone is because the custom back cover won't fit. |
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| 19:02.10 | mikedg | correct |
| 19:02.11 | bougyman | right |
| 19:02.17 | mikedg | i might try to cannibalize the back cover |
| 19:02.23 | mikedg | im gonna do some testing next week |
| 19:02.49 | destinal | tlp: you bought a pre after we released Terminal, ie _because_ it was available? |
| 19:04.15 | tlp | destinal: There were a whole lot of factors that lead up to it. Seeing that on PreCentral added to my excitement :p |
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| 19:05.00 | destinal | cool. well the fact that we were able to be an added factor in getting one makes my day, you have no idea :) |
| 19:07.49 | tlp | It's a super cool phone. I was scared away by the QA reports for a while, but decided to take the chance with TEP and the warranty. |
| 19:08.03 | destinal | yeah same here |
| 19:08.22 | tlp | how long have you had yours? |
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| 19:19.15 | Rick_ | Zuchmir2 the update is to apnews, spaz and where on my phone. |
| 19:19.21 | Rick_ | No central apps. |
| 19:19.26 | funkatron | Spaz sucks |
| 19:19.35 | Rick_ | this is the first PUSHED appstore app I've seen. |
| 19:19.41 | Rick_ | hahahaha funkatron. |
| 19:19.44 | funkatron | ;;;;;;;;) |
| 19:19.51 | funkatron | ooh, sorry, only meant one ; |
| 19:19.59 | funkatron | bluetooth keyboard freaked |
| 19:20.18 | Rick_ | bt keyboard to PRE!?!? |
| 19:20.20 | Rick_ | cool. |
| 19:20.29 | funkatron | no no, on my mac 8D |
| 19:20.35 | Rick_ | ahhhh |
| 19:22.03 | czarphanguye | webos-terminal request; run command on launch & auto log-in. |
| 19:22.40 | summatusmentis | the login requirement was added for security reasons |
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| 19:24.47 | Rick_ | czarphanguye -- short response... "no". |
| 19:25.47 | czarphanguye | Rick_: lolz |
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| 19:34.50 | Rick_ | czarphanguye the reason is, browser plugins are open to ANY scene in any app. |
| 19:35.39 | Rick_ | So, an evil app could open terminal in a 1x1 px stage, send commands to the auto-logged in terminal, grab your privacy info, do whatever it wanted, turn your pre into a spam server, whtever, and you would never know. |
| 19:35.45 | Rick_ | So, the login requirement. :-) |
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| 19:40.52 | destinal | Rick_: actually I think we've fixed that |
| 19:41.08 | destinal | Rick_: so the login prompt should be able to go away once we've confirmed |
| 19:41.40 | destinal | basically we don't accept anything except the enter key via javascript anymore and I don't think luna key events can be faked by an app |
| 19:41.54 | destinal | a malicious app can hit enter all day long, I'm not too worried :) |
| 19:42.24 | destinal | but in the old mechanism that was true |
| 19:42.38 | destinal | which is why we exec /bin/login now |
| 19:43.00 | destinal | anyway have fun, plane to catch |
| 19:44.43 | funkatron | hey, I put up a really short survey on pricing for Spaz. It would be cool folks had a minute to fill it out. Thanks! http://short.ie/spazpresurvey |
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| 19:53.50 | tris | hey destinal, where are you guys getting armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ from? it's the softfloat bit that i'm confused about |
| 19:54.09 | tris | dunno if it's safe to keep using my armv7a-none-... but I guess I might as well try |
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| 19:58.03 | aYellowBanana | haaay |
| 19:58.31 | aYellowBanana | heey :) |
| 20:01.05 | Decimation_ | hiii guys. |
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| 20:07.11 | joesmith | lol @ apple fanboii trolls http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/28/the-palm-preiphone-multitasking-myth/ |
| 20:07.43 | joesmith | seriously the trolls are being really funny, if you have a moment read it and rofl |
| 20:08.09 | tmzt | rd is usually good, but definately pro-Apple |
| 20:08.58 | joesmith | this article seems very pro apple |
| 20:11.30 | joesmith | I wish people would just give the pre "multitasking" and praise the iphone for things it actually can do better |
| 20:13.43 | Decimation_ | lol |
| 20:13.47 | Decimation_ | saw that on engadget joe? |
| 20:13.54 | joesmith | yep |
| 20:14.11 | Decimation_ | i think people like that are hilarious. |
| 20:14.20 | Decimation_ | the iphone is good for one thing.. speed. |
| 20:14.25 | summatusmentis | to be quite frank, how many people actually try and use data and voice at the time? |
| 20:14.37 | aYellowBanana | I would like that >_. |
| 20:14.40 | aYellowBanana | >_> |
| 20:14.42 | Decimation_ | never tried myself, and would never need to. |
| 20:14.56 | summatusmentis | aYellowBanana: you would? how would you use it? |
| 20:15.11 | Zuchmir2 | hmm looks like the update put NASCAR back on my screen :-( |
| 20:15.11 | aYellowBanana | summatusmentis, I don't have a clue. I just wunt. |
| 20:15.52 | aYellowBanana | is Verizon CDMA? |
| 20:15.58 | joesmith | GSM |
| 20:16.16 | aYellowBanana | really? our last phones didn't have SIMs... |
| 20:16.20 | aYellowBanana | :-/ |
| 20:16.30 | joesmith | uhhh I may be wrong |
| 20:16.41 | joesmith | but I am sure most have sim cards |
| 20:16.44 | epyon1 | verizon is cdma like spint |
| 20:16.52 | joesmith | oh never mind |
| 20:16.53 | joesmith | lol |
| 20:17.01 | epyon1 | then its att tmobile and cingular that are gsm |
| 20:17.01 | tlp | maybe you could switch to speaker phone and fire up a browser to look up something |
| 20:17.17 | summatusmentis | tlp: perhaps, I don't ever use speaker phone |
| 20:17.25 | aYellowBanana | Cingular doesn't exist anymore, AT&T bought it out |
| 20:17.45 | aYellowBanana | oh, and did you guys hear about the iPhone SMS exploit? I really want to see a video on that.... |
| 20:17.51 | epyon1 | they have been the same compay changing names for a while |
| 20:17.56 | joesmith | I use the web and talk at the same time I have no idea what the mean I? |
| 20:18.03 | joesmith | that article |
| 20:18.05 | tlp | joesmith: really? |
| 20:18.30 | joesmith | yeah I just used google and was talking to my mom |
| 20:18.36 | joesmith | I will try it again |
| 20:19.25 | tlp | you probably had wifi enabled |
| 20:19.27 | tmzt | aYellowBanana: stk? |
| 20:19.38 | aYellowBanana | tmzt, wut? |
| 20:19.44 | tmzt | sim toolkit |
| 20:20.13 | aYellowBanana | I'm not familiar with it |
| 20:20.14 | aYellowBanana | :( |
| 20:20.56 | aYellowBanana | oh, and I wonder, without Palm's novaterm, I wonder if SSH would ever have been gotten on the Pre.... |
| 20:21.15 | tlp | the Pre was rooted before novaterm was released |
| 20:21.25 | aYellowBanana | ooh, through the developer console right? |
| 20:21.35 | aYellowBanana | how did that work again? |
| 20:21.37 | tlp | dunno the details |
| 20:21.44 | joesmith | lol I guess the only time I have done it when I was on wifi |
| 20:24.22 | aYellowBanana | what if you don't have a tool like that? how would you root a phone out of the box? |
| 20:24.24 | aYellowBanana | hmm... |
| 20:24.37 | epyon1 | you make a tool |
| 20:24.39 | epyon1 | lol |
| 20:25.40 | aYellowBanana | oh, sure, easy cake! |
| 20:25.42 | aYellowBanana | >_> |
| 20:32.33 | Rick_ | aYellowBanana -- they didn't HAVE novaterm when they got in the first time. |
| 20:32.47 | aYellowBanana | how'd they get in? |
| 20:32.49 | aYellowBanana | dev console? |
| 20:32.51 | aYellowBanana | is that actually a console? |
| 20:32.57 | aYellowBanana | haha. I've never looked into that |
| 20:33.13 | Rick_ | no it isn't |
| 20:33.26 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: the current HEAD is completely broken, can't get "enter" t work |
| 20:33.36 | joesmith | cant wait to get his google voice number |
| 20:33.51 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: yeah i know |
| 20:33.56 | PuffTheMagic | i cant figure that out |
| 20:34.07 | aYellowBanana | smirks at joesmith |
| 20:34.10 | PuffTheMagic | was waiting for mrvr to help me figure it out |
| 20:34.11 | aYellowBanana | it's nothing great |
| 20:34.18 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: or if you can that would be great |
| 20:34.20 | aYellowBanana | I got it for the SIP, free calls all around, but Google took a shit on that |
| 20:34.28 | aYellowBanana | no more SIP connectivity, even to Gizmo. don't bother joe |
| 20:34.59 | joesmith | SIP? |
| 20:35.01 | aYellowBanana | oh. |
| 20:35.11 | aYellowBanana | nevermind. most ppl get the number to try to exploit it |
| 20:35.37 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: gonna look at some output, see what's doing ender the hood.... |
| 20:35.48 | joesmith | are you suggesting I want to exploit it? |
| 20:36.00 | aYellowBanana | that would be the great thing to do, yes |
| 20:36.07 | aYellowBanana | why do you want it? haha |
| 20:36.21 | Zuchmir2 | u using: sendKeyUp? |
| 20:36.45 | joesmith | I just want a number I can give people who I dont know to well, and I dont want them to have my cell or home |
| 20:36.59 | aYellowBanana | aha. yes, that makes sense then |
| 20:37.01 | joesmith | and I wont ever have to change it when I get new numbers |
| 20:37.01 | Rick_ | perhaps he wantsit for the actual purpose for which it was designed? To cluster his various phone numbers into one, to get voicemail transcripting, and cheap calls. Etc etc etc. |
| 20:37.01 | aYellowBanana | hahaha |
| 20:37.21 | aYellowBanana | I would give you an invite, but I don't think I can |
| 20:37.22 | joesmith | thats right rick |
| 20:37.28 | aYellowBanana | no 'invite' options |
| 20:37.48 | joesmith | I think it would make an excellent bussiness tool for me |
| 20:38.08 | aYellowBanana | I know a guy that knows someone at google, so I might be able to get you an invite |
| 20:38.16 | joesmith | I will get one soon |
| 20:38.16 | aYellowBanana | I'll see what I can do |
| 20:38.20 | joesmith | I just have to wait |
| 20:38.22 | aYellowBanana | oh? nice. how? |
| 20:38.30 | joesmith | I SIGNED UP? |
| 20:38.36 | aYellowBanana | hahaha. yeah. |
| 20:38.40 | aYellowBanana | you're not getting it |
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| 20:38.46 | joesmith | I dont know anyone who hasnt gottent it |
| 20:38.57 | joesmith | they all got thiers in about 1-2 weeks |
| 20:39.01 | aYellowBanana | actually, everyone that has tried didn't get it |
| 20:39.04 | aYellowBanana | all that I know |
| 20:39.06 | aYellowBanana | hehe |
| 20:39.54 | hopspitfire | Google Voice is awesome |
| 20:39.54 | joesmith | Idk I know 4 people who got thiers in the last month locally |
| 20:39.55 | joesmith | maybe its by region |
| 20:40.51 | aYellowBanana | yeah, GVoice is great |
| 20:41.26 | joesmith | you just said no more SIP connectivity, even to Gizmo. don't bother joe |
| 20:41.31 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: but did you see multiple cards work :D |
| 20:41.37 | aYellowBanana | they even transcribe your voicemail and email it to you |
| 20:41.41 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: ... last week, the c++ was handling sendKeyDown() |
| 20:42.00 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: what do you mean? |
| 20:42.08 | aYellowBanana | joesmith, I thought that was what you wanted, but I see you have different uses for it |
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| 20:42.58 | Zuchmir2 | new session: no, i don'r see it ... Exception caught in V8Proxy::CallFunction (0) (Uncaught ReferenceError: _newSession is not defined) |
| 20:43.12 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: the menu does not work |
| 20:43.16 | PuffTheMagic | yet |
| 20:43.21 | PuffTheMagic | but if u go to the launcher |
| 20:43.24 | PuffTheMagic | and open a new term |
| 20:43.26 | PuffTheMagic | you can |
| 20:43.30 | joesmith | I suppose with SIP support the calls would technically be free? |
| 20:43.50 | Zuchmir2 | oh, open multi instances? |
| 20:43.54 | aYellowBanana | joesmith, in the US, yes |
| 20:43.54 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
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| 20:44.00 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: i was last working on the menu |
| 20:44.09 | PuffTheMagic | i keep forgetting to start luna in foreground |
| 20:44.18 | Zuchmir2 | yeah, cool, now if i can type in them... :-) |
| 20:44.45 | Zuchmir2 | u took out the prefs (which *was* working) from the menu |
| 20:45.34 | PuffTheMagic | its in the old directory |
| 20:45.39 | PuffTheMagic | its not gone |
| 20:45.50 | PuffTheMagic | i just didnt convert it to the new style yet |
| 20:45.57 | Zuchmir2 | u are calling, this.termplugin.sendKeyUp(event.keyCode); and this.termplugin.sendKeyPress(event.charCode);, but the sendKeyDown() is where all the stuff was happening before mrvc changed it earlier this week |
| 20:46.01 | PuffTheMagic | i was trying to figure out this lack of enter |
| 20:46.07 | Zuchmir2 | oh, ok |
| 20:47.17 | PuffTheMagic | i will look at some old commits |
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| 20:49.33 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: i just fixed the menu |
| 20:49.39 | PuffTheMagic | you can start new cards that way now |
| 20:50.24 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: git pull |
| 20:50.25 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 20:52.26 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: use sendKeyPress(key_code), and i'll commit a fix that will handle that (hopefully) |
| 20:52.49 | PuffTheMagic | in termplugin? |
| 20:54.05 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: im not following |
| 20:54.07 | PuffTheMagic | SessionAssistant.prototype._onKeyPressEvent = function(event) { |
| 20:54.07 | PuffTheMagic | |
| 20:54.07 | PuffTheMagic | this.termplugin.sendKeyPress(event.charCode); |
| 20:54.07 | PuffTheMagic | |
| 20:54.07 | PuffTheMagic | } |
| 20:54.22 | PuffTheMagic | i already send onKeyPress |
| 20:55.24 | Zuchmir2 | ... i mean sendKeyDown |
| 20:56.12 | PuffTheMagic | this.termplugin.sendKeyDown(event.keyCode); |
| 20:56.16 | PuffTheMagic | hows that |
| 20:57.39 | PuffTheMagic | pushed |
| 20:58.00 | aYellowBanana | PuffTheMagic, you should make a little write up about this and the problem, and put it on PB for everyone to see and try to work out :) |
| 20:58.16 | tmzt | PB? |
| 20:58.23 | aYellowBanana | pastebin |
| 20:58.24 | PuffTheMagic | its on git for everyone to work out |
| 20:58.26 | tmzt | ah |
| 20:58.35 | aYellowBanana | ah, ok |
| 20:58.41 | aYellowBanana | afk for a minute |
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| 21:03.04 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: just uploaded the fix, try it and lets see |
| 21:08.36 | Zuchmir2 | hmm, don't see the enter coming in there |
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| 21:08.54 | PuffTheMagic | either do i |
| 21:08.57 | PuffTheMagic | and i see another error |
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| 21:09.15 | PuffTheMagic | it says has no method sendKeyUp |
| 21:09.28 | PuffTheMagic | what exactly are the key events that you are listening to? |
| 21:09.29 | aYellowBanana | wishes he knew what in the fuck they were talking about |
| 21:09.48 | A2NY|pre | so the term works in emu just not rec the keys from pre ? |
| 21:10.36 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: ok so you are only listening to the keydown even i see |
| 21:11.25 | thatdude | Hello everyone |
| 21:11.46 | Zuchmir2 | looks like SessionAssistant.prototype._onKeyDownEvent() doesn't get called with enter |
| 21:12.45 | Rick_ | ouch |
| 21:13.09 | PuffTheMagic | enter is probably only a key press |
| 21:13.33 | PuffTheMagic | i have an idea |
| 21:14.41 | Zuchmir2 | ... actually, NONE of the three functions are called w/enter |
| 21:16.04 | Rick_ | not keypress? |
| 21:17.27 | Rick_ | keypress is SUPPOSED to fire on enter. |
| 21:17.38 | Zuchmir2 | i recall mrvc saying the enter was treated differently |
| 21:18.31 | Zuchmir2 | this is what i see when i press enter: http://pastebin.com/d5fe89594 |
| 21:19.24 | tlp | Isn't there a keyboard slider counter on the Pre somewhere? |
| 21:19.50 | A2NY|pre | yes |
| 21:20.22 | tlp | accessible via webOS or is it somewhere on the filesystem? |
| 21:20.35 | A2NY|pre | webOS |
| 21:20.43 | tlp | ah |
| 21:20.44 | A2NY|pre | its encrypted value in the file system |
| 21:21.52 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: ... also the 2nd card is not identical to 1st |
| 21:22.24 | PuffTheMagic | they shouldnt be clones |
| 21:22.29 | PuffTheMagic | they are seperate sessions |
| 21:23.14 | A2NY|pre | id help work on this but enter works in emu =\ |
| 21:23.19 | tlp | A2NY|pre: where can I find the thing? It's not in Device Info |
| 21:23.29 | A2NY|pre | yes it is |
| 21:23.37 | A2NY|pre | go to more info or whatever |
| 21:23.49 | A2NY|pre | and before you run the tests it will tell you |
| 21:24.50 | tlp | ah |
| 21:24.52 | tlp | thanks |
| 21:25.11 | tris | blah, my pre has been hanging a lot (requiring battery removal) since installing the latest termplugin and terminal... anyone else get that? |
| 21:25.33 | psykoz | nope |
| 21:25.42 | tris | latest from git, that is |
| 21:25.43 | PuffTheMagic | hmm |
| 21:25.46 | psykoz | well by latest term plugin, how late, last I updated was from yesterday |
| 21:25.55 | tris | couple hours ago |
| 21:25.58 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: i just commented out all the events on the javascript side |
| 21:25.58 | psykoz | 'k I"m out of this discussion then ;) |
| 21:26.12 | PuffTheMagic | and the plugin was still reacting to keypresses |
| 21:26.17 | tris | also, enter key no longer works, prefs screen is gone, and "new session" doesn't work |
| 21:26.17 | PuffTheMagic | all except enter |
| 21:26.23 | PuffTheMagic | i know understand whats going on |
| 21:26.29 | PuffTheMagic | tris: new session does work |
| 21:26.38 | PuffTheMagic | tris: pull in latest |
| 21:26.43 | tris | oh wait, might have messed up some perms. though i don't think that explains the hanging still |
| 21:26.59 | PuffTheMagic | tris: you i just pushed the new fix for that |
| 21:27.05 | tris | ah ok |
| 21:27.06 | PuffTheMagic | so if you pull 2 hours ago |
| 21:27.09 | PuffTheMagic | u dont have the fix |
| 21:27.14 | PuffTheMagic | but the enter key still dont work |
| 21:27.37 | thatdude | is lost within this conversation. |
| 21:27.57 | Rick_ | thatdude do you want an explanation? |
| 21:28.04 | tris | i updated for lunch so i could impress my coworkers and then ended up impressing them instead with how often i was removing the back cover ;) |
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| 21:28.12 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: mrvc had to set focus so that the enter key comes to the plugin |
| 21:28.13 | thatdude | Rick: No it's fine |
| 21:28.27 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: i also am setting focus |
| 21:29.05 | joesmith | :tris LOL |
| 21:29.06 | tris | i just used ctrl-m instead |
| 21:29.22 | Zuchmir2 | hmm, dunno, i don't see *any* events, not even npPalmKeyUpEvent |
| 21:29.32 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: i need to go eat dinner |
| 21:29.35 | Zuchmir2 | which the os sends for other keys |
| 21:29.37 | PuffTheMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.01 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 21:30.01 | tris | puffthemagic: where'd you get the compiler? i'm still on arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
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| 21:32.29 | raeb1 | ~seen destinal |
| 21:32.32 | infobot | destinal <n=destinal@70-57-172-73.clsp.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 49m 32s ago, saying: 'anyway have fun, plane to catch'. |
| 21:32.56 | Rick_ | raeb1 he's on his way to defcon |
| 21:33.30 | tris | oh you guys reverted to the old compiler |
| 21:33.53 | Zuchmir2 | tris: yeah, an a simple uncomment give u the other compiler |
| 21:33.54 | tris | definitely need a CIA for git :) |
| 21:33.56 | raeb1 | Rick_: yeah, he wasn't at his desk today, i wondered why |
| 21:34.01 | raeb1 | vegas, baby |
| 21:37.41 | thatdude | Yeah this weekend is DefCon |
| 21:37.56 | thatdude | So those darn hackers are out to Vegas |
| 21:38.14 | raeb1 | so the car 12v to USB adapter on monoprice gives a full amperage, meaning it can power touchstone |
| 21:38.20 | raeb1 | sounds like its time for a car touchstone fo rme |
| 21:38.30 | thatdude | raeb1: Sexy |
| 21:38.50 | raeb1 | thanks paris |
| 21:39.01 | raeb1 | XD |
| 21:39.07 | tris | yay raeb, been wondering about that myself |
| 21:39.15 | tris | mine would always stop charging every time i slowed down |
| 21:39.20 | raeb1 | hah! |
| 21:39.33 | raeb1 | yeah i tried it with the car off, and plugged it in and dmesg told me '1000mA' |
| 21:39.40 | Rick_ | anyone know what controlls the software ripple effect? |
| 21:39.41 | raeb1 | on the computer it only says '500mA' |
| 21:39.44 | tris | which is fine since i disabled the charging notification sound, but was somewhat annoying when it would interrupt pandora all the time :) |
| 21:39.55 | raeb1 | mmm pandora in the car |
| 21:39.58 | raeb1 | got a blue tooth stereo ? |
| 21:40.18 | tris | dmesg tells you that? is there any way to poke at the other battery level bits? |
| 21:40.34 | tris | was wanting to make a rrd graph of battery level over time |
| 21:40.41 | raeb1 | yeah, def |
| 21:40.50 | raeb1 | i think there is info on the battery percent level patch on the wiki |
| 21:41.09 | tris | don't have a bt stereo yet, just aux in. seriously considering it :) although i'm not sure pandora will work over bt? |
| 21:42.00 | raeb1 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Show_Actual_Battery_Percent has some info, hopspitfire should know more |
| 21:42.03 | raeb1 | yeah, i got bt stereo |
| 21:42.06 | raeb1 | pandora works sweet |
| 21:42.12 | raeb1 | telephone inturrupts pandora |
| 21:42.30 | raeb1 | even youtube app works over bt |
| 21:42.36 | tris | wow, ok, cool... i tried it with my bt headset and it didn't go |
| 21:42.37 | raeb1 | methinks bt audio connects to pulse and not to each app |
| 21:42.45 | raeb1 | ahhh |
| 21:42.55 | raeb1 | bt headset probably doesn't support stereo audio, just telephony |
| 21:42.57 | tris | i was thinking about getting the sony drbt50 headphones too, but worried it wouldn't work |
| 21:42.57 | raeb1 | yeh ? |
| 21:43.02 | raeb1 | yeah, bt headphones work |
| 21:43.02 | tris | yeah must be |
| 21:43.24 | raeb1 | i have insignia ns-bthdp, works good in both telephony and stereo mode |
| 21:43.35 | raeb1 | oh, and it has play, fwd, rev buttons that WORK in pandora! |
| 21:43.39 | tris | oh wow |
| 21:43.43 | raeb1 | (well maybe not rev) |
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| 21:46.15 | haroldborts | so how do i install an ipk on my pre? i can acess the root and everything but when i try preinstall or whatever it cant find it |
| 21:46.49 | tris | raeb1: wow, those are very inexpensive... $15 refurbished +$5 shipping |
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| 21:47.38 | haroldborts | anyone wanna help me figure out how to get an ipk to nstall? |
| 21:47.53 | haroldborts | or point me in the right direction? |
| 21:48.12 | raeb1 | tris: nice! they sound good |
| 21:48.36 | haroldborts | i'm rooted and have mac 10.4 so no sdk but i shld be able to ssh right? the files on the pre but dont know how to install |
| 21:48.47 | aYellowBanana | haroldborts, either use that ipk installer software or use novacom with palm-install or something |
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| 21:49.03 | haroldborts | it cant find palm install |
| 21:49.21 | xalbo | palm-install comes with the sdk |
| 21:49.59 | haroldborts | dont have the sdk |
| 21:50.09 | haroldborts | im on osx 10.4.11 |
| 21:50.51 | haroldborts | so i had to novacom in but i can put the file on the disk and have root acess |
| 21:51.02 | haroldborts | just dont knw how to install |
| 21:51.56 | aYellowBanana | I think it's something like /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 21:52.07 | aYellowBanana | and those are the directories with a naming scheme like com.palm. or wtvr |
| 21:52.08 | thatdude | shoot let me check if I can update my apps, last night it was not working. |
| 21:52.34 | aYellowBanana | the ipk is just an installer for a directory like that |
| 21:52.59 | joesmith | loves competition 2 competing homebrew means a great app :) |
| 21:53.54 | haroldborts | so im in the directory in reminal applications how do i get the file there? |
| 21:53.58 | thatdude | I am unable to get the latest list when I run ipgk -o /var list |
| 21:55.29 | aYellowBanana | haroldborts, you'll need to scp of course |
| 21:56.35 | haroldborts | huh ill google it? |
| 21:57.54 | CIA-35 | bzhou * r10514 optware/trunk/make/mldonkey.mk: mldonkey: sed to allow ocaml 3.11.* |
| 21:58.48 | haroldborts | so scp then the id and ip then file and location? |
| 21:59.25 | aYellowBanana | um.. I guess so |
| 22:01.37 | CIA-35 | bzhou * r10515 optware/trunk/make/mldonkey.mk: mldonkey: removed extra * |
| 22:06.14 | thatdude | heh man gps tracking is so daring |
| 22:06.45 | thatdude | here sweety, I got you a palm pre - have fun with it. |
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| 22:07.10 | hopspitfire | thatdude just "conveniently" forget it in her purse or car |
| 22:07.39 | thatdude | hopspitfire: I know dude, but it comes in handy for those insecure guys out there. |
| 22:07.54 | tris | i wonder if powersave-smartreflex is what's killing me |
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| 22:08.27 | thatdude | destinal: you are late! |
| 22:08.32 | destinal | heh |
| 22:08.38 | destinal | at the airport waiting for my flight |
| 22:08.52 | thatdude | Defcon is near! |
| 22:08.56 | destinal | my wifi card in my laptop is broken so I'm using my pre as a usb to wifi router |
| 22:09.05 | tlp | neat |
| 22:09.47 | thatdude | tlp: neat is using your pre and having irssi installed. |
| 22:10.00 | destinal | heh I could have done that but I type faster on my laptop |
| 22:10.06 | destinal | and I needed to charge anyway |
| 22:10.25 | thatdude | destinal: No excuse :P |
| 22:11.13 | destinal | and when I get my bluetooth keyboard working i'll have yet another way to type faster than thumb boards |
| 22:11.44 | destinal | wish I hadn't forgotten to bring it |
| 22:11.56 | thatdude | destinal: Do they have those small keyboards which you can fold |
| 22:11.59 | destinal | not that I don't have plenty of othe things to do of course |
| 22:12.09 | thatdude | destinal: What device had them |
| 22:12.20 | destinal | thatdude: yeah I have one made by palm for the centro etc |
| 22:12.47 | thatdude | destinal: I would like on of those with bluetooth if it excist. |
| 22:12.51 | destinal | with some bluez and hidd hackery it may be possible to use it on the pre, at the cost of lobotomizing the rest of the usb stack until palm services are modified to also use bluez |
| 22:13.08 | destinal | but it doesn't work out of the box |
| 22:13.10 | thatdude | destinal: You lost me. lol. |
| 22:13.11 | destinal | there's no HID profile |
| 22:13.18 | destinal | so officially palm won't let you |
| 22:13.27 | destinal | thus the hacking |
| 22:13.57 | destinal | anyway time to catch that flight |
| 22:14.41 | thatdude | destinal: Good luck, let us know how it went. |
| 22:14.50 | thatdude | destinal: Do you have twitter? |
| 22:14.57 | hopspitfire | He's gone dude. |
| 22:14.59 | haroldborts | anyone know where the files are kept from the usb drive so i can copy to the app folder? |
| 22:15.08 | thatdude | I just noticed |
| 22:15.19 | thatdude | I looked away and he was gone, sucks. |
| 22:15.33 | thatdude | hopspitfire: Need any help in the wiki? |
| 22:17.50 | tlp | I can type pretty quickly on the Pre keyboard. Not was well as I could on the Rant, but pretty close. |
| 22:18.17 | thatdude | I am upset I can't get this list to work so I can reinstall the terminal. |
| 22:18.24 | Templarian | hopspitfire: lol, nice editing today. lol. |
| 22:18.31 | thatdude | I guess I will have to do it remotely. |
| 22:18.41 | thatdude | hopspitfire is just ninja! |
| 22:19.07 | hopspitfire | thatdude: Of course I need help with the wiki :) |
| 22:19.35 | hopspitfire | Templarian: haha |
| 22:19.52 | hopspitfire | brb |
| 22:23.30 | epyon2 | sweet my invisible shield came in |
| 22:23.52 | thatdude | epyon2: Be careful with that thing. |
| 22:24.02 | epyon2 | already installed |
| 22:24.15 | thatdude | epyon2: I broke my HTC Touch when I got it delivered |
| 22:24.28 | epyon2 | what did you put too much spray on it? |
| 22:24.49 | thatdude | epyon2: Yeah, I was an animal. |
| 22:24.54 | tris | looks like my phone stopped hanging after uninstalling the powersave-smartreflex patch. whew. stay away from that one |
| 22:24.56 | epyon2 | haha |
| 22:25.14 | thatdude | epyon2: Broke a $600 phone, I just took it on the phone and smashed it |
| 22:25.14 | epyon2 | powersave-smart reflex? |
| 22:25.20 | epyon2 | ouch |
| 22:25.41 | thatdude | epyon2: I think I was the only dude in New York with that phone |
| 22:25.47 | tris | epyon2: it overclocks to 600MHz but also enables voltage regulation or something (which was presumed to make the overclocking work better?) |
| 22:26.14 | tris | (and also saves power by lowering voltage I guess) |
| 22:26.18 | epyon2 | if you can adjust the voltage you can give your cpu more power to overclock |
| 22:26.19 | thatdude | epyon2: Have you tried irrsi? |
| 22:26.40 | epyon2 | for like 2 secs |
| 22:26.56 | thatdude | epyon2: Guess you did not like it if it was that quick |
| 22:27.11 | epyon2 | just not a fan of irc on the pre |
| 22:27.12 | tris | it looks like the emulation is broken (even vt100 is broken) for me with latest termplugin, oh well... can't see anything in screen but the last line of text no matter what i do (^L, ^A l, etc) |
| 22:27.23 | PuffTheMagic | bluetooth on pre will be easy.... |
| 22:27.33 | PuffTheMagic | that is like #3 on my todo list |
| 22:27.45 | epyon2 | thatdude i like doing irc on the computer more |
| 22:28.02 | thatdude | epyon2: Which I do, I though you was on your computer. |
| 22:28.04 | epyon2 | thatdude granted pidgin isnt that great of a irc client but it works |
| 22:28.35 | thatdude | epyon2: Pidgin as an irc client does not work for me. |
| 22:29.01 | epyon2 | deff not alot of features |
| 22:29.38 | PuffTheMagic | yeah but libpurple support irc |
| 22:29.46 | PuffTheMagic | so we could make a pre irc client |
| 22:29.49 | PuffTheMagic | using libpurple adapter |
| 22:29.50 | PuffTheMagic | maybe |
| 22:29.52 | epyon2 | yeah |
| 22:29.58 | PuffTheMagic | although i am a fan of quassel |
| 22:30.01 | jl | irssi ftw |
| 22:30.08 | PuffTheMagic | and i was planning on writing a quassel client for the pre |
| 22:30.09 | epyon2 | i would love to see a full implemntation of libpurple on the pre |
| 22:30.32 | jl | i just finished restoring with webos doctor, heh |
| 22:30.34 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: Sexy! |
| 22:30.39 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: That would be great. |
| 22:32.16 | epyon2 | that would be cool |
| 22:32.22 | epyon2 | a better gui for irc |
| 22:32.33 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: Let's get started :) |
| 22:32.54 | PuffTheMagic | i have hacking on terminal to do, i have to finnish the preware website, then |
| 22:32.59 | PuffTheMagic | either bluetooth or irc |
| 22:33.01 | epyon2 | whats quassle written in |
| 22:33.02 | PuffTheMagic | idk yet |
| 22:33.09 | PuffTheMagic | epyon2: qt |
| 22:33.19 | epyon2 | hmm |
| 22:33.26 | PuffTheMagic | quassel is client /server though |
| 22:33.32 | PuffTheMagic | so its like running irssi on screen |
| 22:33.36 | PuffTheMagic | but gui |
| 22:33.39 | epyon2 | ah cool |
| 22:33.42 | thatdude | Talking about the terminal, I can't install it using ipkg due to my list not updating >_< |
| 22:33.50 | PuffTheMagic | so i was gonna write a reslful interface to the quassel server |
| 22:33.57 | PuffTheMagic | and then write a pre gui for quassel |
| 22:34.09 | PuffTheMagic | s/reslfull/restfull |
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| 22:34.45 | epyon2 | hmm |
| 22:34.49 | epyon2 | i might look into it |
| 22:35.34 | epyon2 | so essentially if i was running quassel on my comp at home |
| 22:35.44 | epyon2 | i could connet from my pre to it at home |
| 22:35.46 | PuffTheMagic | you would never miss anything |
| 22:35.50 | PuffTheMagic | yeah exactly |
| 22:35.58 | PuffTheMagic | the core would keep you logged in |
| 22:36.06 | PuffTheMagic | and stores all the backbuffers and what not |
| 22:36.12 | epyon2 | cool cool |
| 22:36.12 | PuffTheMagic | then you just use the gui to view it |
| 22:36.19 | PuffTheMagic | yeah its pretty slick |
| 22:36.24 | PuffTheMagic | but its qt only |
| 22:36.28 | PuffTheMagic | as of a few months ago |
| 22:36.42 | PuffTheMagic | i was gonna write a client in qt that relays the stuff over http |
| 22:36.48 | PuffTheMagic | so mobile clients could make guis |
| 22:37.10 | thatdude | I give up with ipkg -o /var update |
| 22:37.57 | thatdude | Where is the terminal code located again, anyone know from memory? |
| 22:38.11 | thatdude | So I can just install it remotely. |
| 22:38.34 | epyon2 | man that remindes me i cant wait till kde gets their windows stuff working really good |
| 22:38.52 | epyon2 | amarok in windows :-D |
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| 22:40.18 | epyon2 | ok so qt is just an extention to c++ |
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| 22:42.24 | justin__ | ooo |
| 22:42.35 | justin__ | i havent used a good irc client in a long time |
| 22:42.42 | justin__ | its epyon btw |
| 22:42.47 | justin__ | checkin out quassel |
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| 22:49.21 | thatdude | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1914134 <--- Hillarious! |
| 22:50.26 | thatdude | So funny I misspelled hilarious |
| 22:51.57 | PuffTheMagic | thatdude: you dont need -o /var when you run update |
| 22:53.00 | thatdude | Oh wow! |
| 22:53.19 | justin__ | PuffTheMagic: it looks like you will have to completly rewrite the client |
| 22:53.28 | PuffTheMagic | what client? |
| 22:53.34 | justin__ | quassel |
| 22:53.37 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 22:53.41 | PuffTheMagic | i mean... |
| 22:53.46 | PuffTheMagic | i know exactly what i need to do |
| 22:54.09 | PuffTheMagic | i need to write a new client in qt that has no gui... but exports the events over http using some ipc |
| 22:54.21 | PuffTheMagic | then anything could create a gui |
| 22:54.23 | PuffTheMagic | based on that |
| 22:54.27 | PuffTheMagic | i dont have to rewrite the core |
| 22:54.34 | PuffTheMagic | and i dont have to rewrite the existing gui |
| 22:54.35 | justin__ | oh yeah |
| 22:54.47 | PuffTheMagic | i've been pondering this for months |
| 22:54.48 | justin__ | i know you dont have to rewrite the core |
| 22:54.52 | justin__ | lol |
| 22:55.01 | justin__ | man i might start using this more |
| 22:55.08 | justin__ | is there a quassel windows client |
| 22:55.11 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 22:55.14 | justin__ | sweet |
| 22:55.19 | PuffTheMagic | there is a windows and mac build |
| 22:55.23 | justin__ | now that im in here all the time |
| 22:55.25 | PuffTheMagic | its a sweet prog |
| 22:55.27 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: So I ran ipgk update then ipkg -o /var list and I am unable to view an update list. |
| 22:55.41 | PuffTheMagic | you dont need -o var for list either |
| 22:55.44 | PuffTheMagic | that is an install option |
| 22:55.55 | justin__ | i can run the core from termnial right? |
| 22:56.10 | PuffTheMagic | justin__: yeah if you have qt installed |
| 22:56.24 | PuffTheMagic | justin__: you can build the core with out the gui client |
| 22:56.28 | PuffTheMagic | and run it on a server |
| 22:56.39 | PuffTheMagic | then run the client on what ever desktop/laptop you want |
| 22:56.52 | PuffTheMagic | there is on cli gui yet though |
| 22:56.53 | justin__ | PuffTheMagic: i have an nix box just chillin |
| 22:57.14 | PuffTheMagic | but a cli gui would be available too once i get the http ipc working |
| 22:57.44 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: I get an error when I don't use the -o command. |
| 22:57.46 | justin__ | that would be cool |
| 22:57.56 | PuffTheMagic | thatdude: you shouldnt |
| 22:58.20 | PuffTheMagic | thatdude: you should be using ipkg-opt though |
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| 22:58.47 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: But I just want to view the list of homebrew app |
| 22:58.53 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
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| 22:58.59 | PuffTheMagic | you still should be using ipkg-opt |
| 22:59.37 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: Now I am confuse, I am going by this post - http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/194739-world-first-device-homebrew-installer.html#post1777418 |
| 22:59.59 | PuffTheMagic | thatdude: dont go quoting precentral crap here... |
| 23:00.08 | PuffTheMagic | i cant attest for anything on that site |
| 23:00.27 | PuffTheMagic | but the stuff on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 23:00.33 | PuffTheMagic | that should be correct |
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| 23:00.50 | tris | shorter urls = more trustworthy |
| 23:01.00 | PuffTheMagic | LOL |
| 23:01.04 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: I am quoting rwhitby |
| 23:01.32 | PuffTheMagic | tris: what were you saying an hour ago about the compiler? |
| 23:01.33 | thatdude | tris: Not really. |
| 23:02.54 | tris | PuffTheMagic: I saw you guys switched to armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ (iirc) but then updated again and it's back to arm-none-..., so nevermind |
| 23:03.03 | tris | curious what that was all about though, don't see it in scrollback here |
| 23:03.06 | PuffTheMagic | no that was my fault |
| 23:03.19 | PuffTheMagic | i use a toolchain i built on gentoo |
| 23:03.21 | PuffTheMagic | from scratch |
| 23:03.29 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: uses the optware toolchain |
| 23:03.31 | PuffTheMagic | very similar |
| 23:03.39 | PuffTheMagic | different gcc versions |
| 23:03.45 | PuffTheMagic | i think binutils and glibc are the same though |
| 23:04.03 | PuffTheMagic | but i may have pushed a commit that changed that in the makefile by accident |
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| 23:04.51 | tris | i'm probably going to have to revert to yesterday's code 'cuz everything's pretty much broken for me in terminal now |
| 23:05.15 | PuffTheMagic | well idk why you chose to pull in devel work... |
| 23:05.26 | PuffTheMagic | you shoud just pull in tagged versions if you are not working on it |
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| 23:05.46 | PuffTheMagic | and if people havent been tagging releases i will get them too ;) |
| 23:06.11 | tmzt | get them also, or get them to [do it] ? |
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| 23:07.23 | PuffTheMagic | i dont think that many of the devs are that familiar with git yet |
| 23:07.34 | PuffTheMagic | i think we have many svn vets |
| 23:07.42 | PuffTheMagic | that havent fallen to the light side |
| 23:07.44 | PuffTheMagic | :) |
| 23:07.44 | hmagoo | when we want to upgrade an app with filecoaster do we just install over the previous version? |
| 23:07.54 | PuffTheMagic | wtf is filecoaster? |
| 23:08.17 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic is on a roll today! |
| 23:08.20 | tris | PuffTheMagic: yeah. i'm new to git so i'm not 100% sure what's going on, just been tracking master |
| 23:08.38 | tris | not sure what the "merge branch 'master'" stuff is all about |
| 23:08.45 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: Check my msg |
| 23:08.50 | hmagoo | PuffTheMagic, it's the app to install ipks |
| 23:08.55 | PuffTheMagic | master is sorta like the default repo/branch |
| 23:09.05 | PuffTheMagic | i created a branch called master-rewrite |
| 23:09.09 | PuffTheMagic | which is like a fork of master |
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| 23:09.16 | PuffTheMagic | to i did some work in master-rewrite |
| 23:09.20 | PuffTheMagic | then switched back to master |
| 23:09.24 | PuffTheMagic | and merged in master-rewrite |
| 23:09.41 | tris | *nod* master is the more stable tree though, right? |
| 23:09.49 | thatdude | I will be back later. Catch you guys later. |
| 23:10.48 | Epyon_ | wow...i need to upgrade my server box |
| 23:11.01 | Epyon_ | quassel isnt in the ubuntu repositories on that one |
| 23:11.34 | hmagoo | nm, looks like it does upgrades or at least ipkg does... |
| 23:12.43 | Epyon_ | PuffTheMagic: filecoaster is pretty nifty |
| 23:13.06 | Epyon_ | you can copy a link to a file and it will download it and if its an ipk it will install it automatically |
| 23:13.28 | jwm | what was escape in termin? |
| 23:13.37 | Epyon_ | orage space |
| 23:13.42 | jwm | i am in it right now |
| 23:13.43 | thatdude | Epyon_: I hate it! |
| 23:13.48 | jwm | ahh |
| 23:14.12 | jwm | i knew it was space something |
| 23:14.21 | thatdude | Epyon_: Easier to do just ipgk -o /var install http://localhost/blahblahblah |
| 23:14.36 | Epyon_ | well if your not at a comp its not that bad |
| 23:14.40 | hmagoo | thatdude, if you use terminal app or are at your pc |
| 23:15.05 | hmagoo | filecoaster is so fast it's great |
| 23:15.19 | thatdude | hmagoo: Terminal |
| 23:15.30 | thatdude | hmagoo: Waste of space that is : |
| 23:15.34 | Epyon_ | hmagoo: i like it cause its quick |
| 23:15.57 | thatdude | hmagoo: Let me stop hating. Kudos to the dev. |
| 23:16.05 | Epyon_ | haha |
| 23:16.07 | hmagoo | has some use... |
| 23:16.14 | thatdude | Gotta go, brb. |
| 23:16.15 | Epyon_ | thatdude: you stop hatin |
| 23:16.54 | Epyon_ | so im gonna put it up for a vote should i go gentoo or newer version of ubuntu for my nix box more or less a server |
| 23:17.09 | hopspitfire | FreeBSD |
| 23:17.21 | hopspitfire | Or if you're really daring, GentooBSD |
| 23:17.26 | thatdude | OSX |
| 23:17.29 | thatdude | Hahahaha! |
| 23:17.32 | Epyon_ | hahaahah |
| 23:17.34 | Epyon_ | yeah great joke |
| 23:17.43 | Epyon_ | hopspitfire: whats so good about bsd? |
| 23:17.45 | thatdude | I am rolling here |
| 23:17.46 | hmagoo | ubuntu means you won't have to build anything, most packages are out there |
| 23:18.12 | PuffTheMagic | ewwww |
| 23:18.13 | PuffTheMagic | BDS |
| 23:18.15 | Epyon_ | hmagoo: gentoo has a pretty good repository sys with all sourcecode |
| 23:18.16 | PuffTheMagic | just use gentoo ;) |
| 23:18.21 | hopspitfire | Epyon_: After using both in production, I can safely say that the BSD kernel can support many more threads than Linux |
| 23:18.33 | thatdude | WTF is gentoo? o_O |
| 23:18.37 | PuffTheMagic | a distro |
| 23:18.39 | PuffTheMagic | source based |
| 23:18.46 | PuffTheMagic | the only real linux distro |
| 23:18.48 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 23:18.50 | Epyon_ | haha |
| 23:18.51 | thatdude | +PuffTheMagic: Ubuntu > gentoo |
| 23:18.51 | hopspitfire | only the best linux distro ever ;) |
| 23:18.57 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 23:19.04 | Epyon_ | i like ubuntu for its ease of use |
| 23:19.10 | PuffTheMagic | ubuntu is nice |
| 23:19.10 | Epyon_ | but gentoo is such a clean setup |
| 23:19.10 | hopspitfire | My system now: 2.6.29-gentoo-r5-bender1.24 |
| 23:19.13 | thatdude | That's right Epyon_ |
| 23:19.26 | PuffTheMagic | ubuntu is nice if you are a windows user and never used linux |
| 23:19.34 | PuffTheMagic | or if you have a really slow cpu |
| 23:19.36 | Epyon_ | or for laptops |
| 23:19.38 | PuffTheMagic | and cant build packages |
| 23:19.41 | hmagoo | for Desktop I was using DreamLinux but got sick of trying to find packages and just went back to xubuntu |
| 23:19.43 | PuffTheMagic | Epyon_: gentoo is fine for laptops |
| 23:19.45 | hopspitfire | It depends what you want, if you're looking for a desktop, then go LInux. Server -> BSD |
| 23:19.51 | PuffTheMagic | gentoo makes you learn linux |
| 23:19.53 | hmagoo | well, with compiz desktop not xfce |
| 23:19.55 | PuffTheMagic | so if u just want to USE something |
| 23:19.56 | Epyon_ | yeah it does |
| 23:19.58 | PuffTheMagic | install ubuntu |
| 23:20.02 | PuffTheMagic | if you want to learn linux |
| 23:20.06 | PuffTheMagic | and be the master of your domain |
| 23:20.08 | PuffTheMagic | use gentoo |
| 23:20.11 | Epyon_ | haha |
| 23:20.20 | texel | raises an eyebrow |
| 23:20.21 | PuffTheMagic | if you are a developer |
| 23:20.23 | PuffTheMagic | use gentoo |
| 23:20.23 | Epyon_ | well ive got to lug the box upstairs |
| 23:20.31 | PuffTheMagic | if you like to hack on source... use gentoo |
| 23:20.35 | Epyon_ | plug it into a monitor |
| 23:20.42 | hopspitfire | It's so easy to hack the ebuilds |
| 23:20.43 | Epyon_ | reformat |
| 23:20.46 | PuffTheMagic | but i am still a fan of ununtu |
| 23:20.53 | PuffTheMagic | its brough OEM desktops to linux |
| 23:21.00 | PuffTheMagic | and done a lot of good for the community |
| 23:21.03 | PuffTheMagic | but i cant use it personally |
| 23:21.09 | PuffTheMagic | but i set it up for people |
| 23:21.14 | PuffTheMagic | to convert them to linux |
| 23:21.23 | thatdude|gym | See you b!tches later |
| 23:21.26 | Epyon_ | i enjoy kubuntu on my laptop |
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| 23:21.33 | Epyon_ | cya thatdude|gym |
| 23:22.29 | hmagoo | hrm ,thought there was update and upgrade with ipkg, what's the usage? |
| 23:22.36 | Epyon_ | the invisible shield is setting in nicely on the pre |
| 23:22.36 | hmagoo | for homebrews |
| 23:22.49 | hmagoo | mine was tinted a lot I took it off |
| 23:23.04 | Epyon_ | tinted? |
| 23:23.06 | hopspitfire | What are your thoughts on: http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/bacy26pmpre-bk.htm |
| 23:23.13 | hmagoo | zagg? yeah |
| 23:23.47 | Epyon_ | hopspitfire: i really might get one |
| 23:23.48 | hmagoo | hopspitfire, dunno, but I love their innocase surface |
| 23:23.56 | hmagoo | case |
| 23:24.02 | Epyon_ | hopspitfire: i need more battery life than this |
| 23:24.32 | hopspitfire | Seriously, this battery is useless. I was waiting at the doctor's office a few weeks ago for 2 hours and took -60% percent just from web browsing |
| 23:25.17 | Epyon_ | hopspitfire: haha yeah and imagine having a 12 hour work shift |
| 23:25.27 | hopspitfire | And no other entertainment! |
| 23:25.32 | Epyon_ | hopspitfire: i couldnt touch it and it still died at the end of the day |
| 23:25.42 | hopspitfire | Really? |
| 23:25.46 | hmagoo | at one job it goes down 40% over 6 hours and the other building it goes down 10% over six hours |
| 23:25.59 | Epyon_ | lol |
| 23:26.06 | Epyon_ | low service in one place probally |
| 23:26.19 | hmagoo | thought both, but... |
| 23:26.55 | hopspitfire | I don't understand why they put a 1150mah battery in this :/ The older Palm 700wx had 1500 or 1800mah |
| 23:27.14 | hmagoo | charger sales? ;) |
| 23:27.28 | Epyon_ | idk |
| 23:27.43 | Epyon_ | http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml click on the first x86 |
| 23:28.02 | Epyon_ | im "forbidden" apparently |
| 23:28.12 | hopspitfire | Same here |
| 23:28.13 | Epyon_ | it doesnt want me to install gentoo |
| 23:28.26 | hopspitfire | http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2007.0/installcd/install-x86-minimal-2007.0-r1.iso |
| 23:28.26 | hopspitfire | http://mirror.linux.org.mt/mirror/gentoo/releases/x86/2007.0/installcd/install-x86-minimal-2007.0-r1.iso |
| 23:28.33 | hopspitfire | It's an older release, but it'll work |
| 23:28.42 | Epyon_ | i want a new release |
| 23:28.43 | hopspitfire | or just manipulate the address |
| 23:28.44 | Epyon_ | sorry |
| 23:28.51 | Epyon_ | yeah was thinking about doing that |
| 23:28.56 | hopspitfire | http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2008.0/installcd/ |
| 23:29.33 | Epyon_ | apparently 2008.0 links are gonna be taken down soon |
| 23:30.05 | hopspitfire | I doubt that, 2007.0 is still up |
| 23:30.21 | PuffTheMagic | whyw ould you use 2007.0 |
| 23:30.39 | PuffTheMagic | use 2008.1 |
| 23:30.45 | hopspitfire | All you need is the latest toolchain, then emerge -e world |
| 23:31.11 | Epyon_ | 2008.0 r1? |
| 23:31.15 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors2.xml |
| 23:31.17 | PuffTheMagic | or r1 |
| 23:31.22 | PuffTheMagic | but not 2007 |
| 23:31.26 | Epyon_ | yeah |
| 23:32.19 | Epyon_ | man my wifi has too many things on it |
| 23:32.43 | Epyon_ | 200 kb/s difference on dl'ing |
| 23:33.20 | aYellowBanana | cries |
| 23:33.30 | aYellowBanana | that's about my usual download speed :( |
| 23:33.46 | aYellowBanana | more like 300kb/s, but still, utter shit :-/ |
| 23:33.48 | Epyon_ | aYellowBanana: that sucks |
| 23:33.57 | aYellowBanana | shakes fist at AT&T DSL |
| 23:34.16 | aYellowBanana | you know how much they fucking suck? They cranked up all the prices by $5, and cranked down the speed |
| 23:34.19 | Epyon_ | haha did you get affected by the 4chan block? |
| 23:34.44 | aYellowBanana | I have the "Pro" package, and I used to get 400kb/s which I guess i was happy with coming from Dial Up, but now it's usually a little under 300kb/s |
| 23:35.09 | Epyon_ | dsl is not dialup |
| 23:35.10 | aYellowBanana | lmao, I don't go on 4chan |
| 23:35.10 | aYellowBanana | but I did get pissed off at them blatantly violating net neutrality |
| 23:35.16 | aYellowBanana | thank you Captain Obvious? |
| 23:35.16 | infobot | aYellowBanana: sure thing |
| 23:35.28 | Epyon_ | oh nvm |
| 23:35.33 | aYellowBanana | hehe ;) |
| 23:35.34 | Epyon_ | thought you said somthing else |
| 23:35.42 | aYellowBanana | yeah, I see I could have phrased that better |
| 23:36.15 | aYellowBanana | AT&T has just given me problems. I want to switch to Comcast Cable, but my friend couple houses down has like 300kb/s too. rofl |
| 23:36.21 | hopspitfire | aYellowBanana: You gotta convince your parents how faster internet can benefit you and your schooling ;) |
| 23:36.51 | aYellowBanana | hopspitfire, the convincing part is easy, I know my Dad wants it. Ever since I got a new PC, I hooked his up to WiFi and he's now a wanna be internet surfer |
| 23:37.00 | Epyon_ | dude when i was his agae i had to beg to get off of dialup |
| 23:37.05 | hopspitfire | :rofl: |
| 23:37.09 | aYellowBanana | I'm surprised he can turn on the browser let alone surf, but hey, he's already complaining about our speeds |
| 23:37.20 | Epyon_ | i used the well the phone wont be busy all the time argument |
| 23:37.25 | Epyon_ | haha |
| 23:37.42 | aYellowBanana | but then again, Comcast is a faggot with their promotional prices. it's not even a good price to start with, and then after 12 months it's pretty fucking high |
| 23:37.54 | aYellowBanana | Epyon_, LMFAO! I definately used that one |
| 23:38.31 | hopspitfire | Any OTers in here? |
| 23:38.42 | rwhitby | OT? |
| 23:38.51 | PreGame | old timers |
| 23:38.54 | PreGame | that would be you rwhitby |
| 23:39.04 | texel | OT as in what age range? |
| 23:39.04 | PreGame | :P |
| 23:39.08 | rwhitby | heh |
| 23:39.16 | aYellowBanana | and then again, cable internet is a little flawed. the more people using it in your neighborhood, the slower it is. Do any of you know if DOCSIS cable modems are still hackable to unlock bandwith and speed like they used to? |
| 23:39.17 | hopspitfire | You lurkers ;) |
| 23:39.39 | texel | aYellowBanana: The surfboard that I recently got from Comcast certainly isn't. |
| 23:39.47 | rwhitby | reminds people of #webos-watercooler .... |
| 23:39.53 | texel | nods |
| 23:40.01 | Epyon_ | probally depends on the modem |
| 23:40.15 | Epyon_ | really i didnt know we had that |
| 23:40.45 | rwhitby | Epyon_: I think it's in the policy page which is listed in the /topic |
| 23:40.54 | aYellowBanana | I think DOCSIS 2.0 cleared up a lot of shit |
| 23:41.18 | rwhitby | aYellowBanana: please continue off-topic discussions in #webos-watercooler |
| 23:41.29 | aYellowBanana | hahahahahahahaha |
| 23:41.31 | aYellowBanana | I love that name |
| 23:41.57 | tlp | Any of you guys have the 2600 mAh battery? |
| 23:41.57 | Epyon_ | sorry bought that rwhitby |
| 23:42.04 | tlp | er |
| 23:42.08 | hopspitfire | I want to get it |
| 23:42.10 | tlp | is battery discussion off-topic? :) |
| 23:42.14 | PreGame | yes |
| 23:42.21 | PreGame | that would be #webos-hardware |
| 23:42.26 | aYellowBanana | hahahahahaha |
| 23:42.28 | Epyon_ | move over into watercooler |
| 23:42.37 | tlp | :p |
| 23:42.38 | aYellowBanana | shit, all these channels make it ghey |
| 23:42.40 | aYellowBanana | xD |
| 23:42.44 | PreGame | ^^^ |
| 23:43.13 | PreGame | i dont see a point in keeping this room quiet if no one is talking about anything |
| 23:43.33 | aYellowBanana | and I mean, if people come on in with WebOS related stuff, we'll shutup listen and contribute |
| 23:43.35 | aYellowBanana | who wouldn't? |
| 23:43.44 | PreGame | ^^ |
| 23:43.44 | rwhitby | PreGame: many people read the logs of this channel, and don't want to have to wade through off-topic discussions to find the -internals info |
| 23:44.02 | rwhitby | PreGame: that rationale is also listed in the policy page |
| 23:44.03 | PreGame | if you read the logs then you have to much time on your hands and don't know how to scim |
| 23:44.16 | PreGame | why not just join the channel and ask the question |
| 23:44.25 | rwhitby | PreGame: timezones |
| 23:44.28 | aYellowBanana | I doubt you would ascertain anything either. |
| 23:44.58 | *** join/#webos-internals djk (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:45.48 | hopspitfire | added it: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Community |
| 23:45.54 | rwhitby | the other reason someone will read the logs is to see if any important questions that developers or new contributors ask have not been answered, and answer them. |
| 23:46.10 | PreGame | you can't answer them if they are reading logs |
| 23:46.15 | PreGame | that is what forums are for |
| 23:46.42 | rwhitby | PreGame: that's your opinion |
| 23:46.52 | hopspitfire | Does webos-internals need a forum? I have an extra vbulletin license. |
| 23:46.55 | aYellowBanana | if anything, I would say IRC is the most useful for goofing on the job, while getting tidbits of info here and there from other users live. |
| 23:47.11 | aYellowBanana | hopspitfire, maybe you should set that up! |
| 23:47.15 | rwhitby | aYellowBanana: that's why we have #webos-watercooler |
| 23:47.15 | aYellowBanana | that would actually be really cool |
| 23:47.31 | aYellowBanana | two IRC channels for the same reason :-/ |
| 23:47.43 | rwhitby | aYellowBanana: have you read the policy page? |
| 23:48.05 | aYellowBanana | nope |
| 23:48.08 | aYellowBanana | skimming it now |
| 23:48.39 | hopspitfire | rwhitby; Would there be support for a webos-internals forum? |
| 23:48.39 | aYellowBanana | eeh. okaay >_> |
| 23:49.12 | rwhitby | hopspitfire: sure, but why not just use the webos development forum on Precentral? they're happy to have internals talk there. |
| 23:49.39 | aYellowBanana | rwhitby, like most popularized things, most of that area is easy guides and random crap posted by complete nubs |
| 23:50.00 | aYellowBanana | it would be great to have a truly 'internal' one |
| 23:50.14 | aYellowBanana | where people can post code snippets and ask questions and post info |
| 23:50.21 | aYellowBanana | sort of like a testing ground before it goes on the wiki |
| 23:50.44 | Epyon_ | the wiki is almost a descussion place itself |
| 23:50.44 | rwhitby | aYellowBanana: a forum is what the participants make it |
| 23:50.50 | hopspitfire | rwhitby: I've been getting random emails from people who need help with stuff posted on the wiki. This stuff would easily be helped through an internals forum |
| 23:51.02 | rwhitby | if you want the webos development forum to be that, then start those discussions there |
| 23:51.11 | PreGame | i've been getting random emails of people asking to merge with my stuff... |
| 23:51.20 | aYellowBanana | rwhitby, precisely. most of the people here in the IRC are the kind of people I would like to have on a forum. not "dood1337h4x0r" posting a tutorial on how to root the phone |
| 23:51.53 | aYellowBanana | IRC and Pastebin isn't enough for a lot of things we need |
| 23:51.56 | PreGame | #webos-forums |
| 23:52.03 | PreGame | there, solved the problem |
| 23:52.05 | hopspitfire | Hah |
| 23:52.17 | aYellowBanana | we could have a forum post pinned/stickied so we can have an outline of all goals, etc |
| 23:52.28 | aYellowBanana | and we could even go as far as making the forum invite only, but we still have time to think on that |
| 23:52.36 | aYellowBanana | I think it would be a great idea |
| 23:52.45 | aYellowBanana | and hopspitfire can afford to give us a great forum, so hey |
| 23:52.48 | PreGame | you know if Palm hired all of us we would have one kickass OS for the phone |
| 23:52.49 | aYellowBanana | why not |
| 23:52.56 | aYellowBanana | XD |
| 23:53.19 | PreGame | is that watercooler talk? |
| 23:53.27 | aYellowBanana | it's quite boring in there |
| 23:53.32 | aYellowBanana | :-/ |
| 23:53.37 | PreGame | i said the same thing |
| 23:53.57 | PreGame | no one gets up to go to the watercooler anymore to talk they just sit at their desk and yell over the cube walls |
| 23:53.59 | aYellowBanana | hopspitfire, how about we do this thing? |
| 23:54.13 | aYellowBanana | PreGame, exactly. and especially nowadays with email and IMing |
| 23:54.22 | hopspitfire | I already have it set up, I just need to prune all the posts and change the name |
| 23:54.23 | aYellowBanana | pfft, the watercooler is a distant memory. and machine of hydration/ |
| 23:55.14 | texel | sighs and shrugs as yet another section of a development community gets stuck in forum-land |
| 23:55.14 | rwhitby | PreGame, aYellowBanana: here's the thing. If you want real discussion of webos-internals in here, instead of continuous random discussion on any topic, then you need to keep it focussed. If the channel degrades to the point where the noise swamps the signal, then the developers will leave. I've seen it happen on other channels. |
| 23:55.28 | aYellowBanana | ok, I'm sorry. I understand |
| 23:55.53 | aYellowBanana | hopspitfire, you there? |
| 23:56.06 | PreGame | I don't want to swamp the signal but just want to give it a jolt to wake up the channel |
| 23:56.20 | rwhitby | you may say that 5 minutes of off-topic discussion is not a problem. I agree. But then someone else sees that 5 minutes and adds their 5 minutes. Then the 100+ people in the channel all think they can discuss the latest in politics, religion, etc, and the channel is then useless. |
| 23:56.38 | texel | PreGame: I think your efforts may be misguided -- it's likely that the majority of the devs are either in another time zone or are at work. |
| 23:57.17 | PreGame | or watching dancing with the stars |
| 23:57.33 | Technobabble | dear god, i would hope not |
| 23:57.42 | rwhitby | here's something to jolt the channel: http://git.webos-internals.org/ |
| 23:58.23 | *** join/#webos-internals netz (n=zn3t@74.99.46.207) |
| 23:59.20 | texel | Hm. Isn't that already available, though? |
| 23:59.38 | texel | Or is the gitweb interface new? |
