| 00:00.13 | hopspitfire | http://xerq.net/pre_scrot.png |
| 00:00.55 | gkatsev | hopspitfire: haha, nice |
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| 00:02.07 | tehnoir | Available to help copy wiki stuff over if the help is needed. |
| 00:03.58 | destinal | tehnoir: that would be very helpful, looks like a lot still need it: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pages_to_be_Transferred |
| 00:04.12 | destinal | I know hopspitfire's working on it and a few others |
| 00:04.17 | destinal | but the more the merrier |
| 00:04.37 | hopspitfire | destinal: My hands are sore from it, any more help will be greatly appreciated :) |
| 00:04.55 | tehnoir | All right, I'll try to plug away between working :) |
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| 00:05.47 | rwhitby | hopspitfire: welcome, and thanks for the help with the wiki. tehnoir: thanks for the offer, we'll definitely take it up :-) |
| 00:06.48 | tehnoir | rwhitby: Not a problem. I've taken so much from the Wiki, glad to have an opportunity to give a little back. |
| 00:07.17 | hopspitfire | rwhitby: Thank you, I'm glad to be a part of this. |
| 00:08.59 | tehnoir | Ironically, I seem to have just killed my Pre after following a page on the wiki. Haha. |
| 00:10.20 | destinal | tehnoir: how killed? |
| 00:10.55 | tehnoir | Had to run the webos doctor on my phone the other day, so I'm going back through and doing all the stuff to it that I had before. |
| 00:11.45 | tehnoir | So I changed the carrier string, got down to stopping LunaSysMgr, got distracted for a minute before I had started it, and now the screen is black and my SSH session timed out. |
| 00:11.49 | tehnoir | Don't seem to be able to SSH back into it. |
| 00:12.17 | destinal | tehnoir: did you have usb plugged in? |
| 00:12.24 | tehnoir | Yes. |
| 00:12.42 | destinal | hmm, that should have prevented timeout. do you have usbnet enabled? |
| 00:12.50 | destinal | ie are you trying to manage over wifi or usbnet |
| 00:12.51 | JackieRipper | woohoo |
| 00:12.57 | tehnoir | Wifi |
| 00:13.08 | JackieRipper | I have the emulator running on gentoo! NOT ubuntu! |
| 00:13.09 | destinal | from doing it for a while I strongly recommend usbnet |
| 00:13.34 | destinal | JackieRipper: congrats! btw if you want to compare notes, I think PuffTheMagic does the same |
| 00:13.55 | JackieRipper | cool |
| 00:14.07 | destinal | JackieRipper: was it hard to do? |
| 00:14.32 | hopspitfire | JackieRipper: I'm running Gentoo, how'd you do it? |
| 00:14.34 | JackieRipper | not too bad... virtual-box is in portage |
| 00:14.50 | destinal | JackieRipper: and did you get novacomd, etc running so you can palm-install stuff? |
| 00:15.07 | tehnoir | destinal: I'll be sure to try usbnet if I get my phone back up and going :) |
| 00:15.12 | JackieRipper | destinal: not yet |
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| 00:15.23 | destinal | tehnoir: pull out your battery and put it back in, then start her up |
| 00:15.26 | tehnoir | The "Pages to be Transferred" page doesn't seem quite up to date. Anybody know where we're at? |
| 00:15.57 | rwhitby | tehnoir: Rick__ and Templarian are the guys to talk to |
| 00:15.59 | JackieRipper | hopspitfire: I installed sun-jdk-1.6, app-emulation/virtualbox-bin, app-emulation/virtualbox-guest-additions and alien |
| 00:16.13 | tehnoir | Thanks, rwhitby. |
| 00:16.17 | JackieRipper | converted the deb to a tar with alien |
| 00:16.24 | JackieRipper | and untarred in / |
| 00:16.28 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: howto's for installing the SDK on other Linux distros would make great wiki pages :-) |
| 00:16.32 | tehnoir | destinal: Pulling the battery on my Treo was old hat, but I haven't had to do it yet on the Pre. |
| 00:16.40 | tehnoir | What's the best way to get it to pop out? |
| 00:16.43 | hopspitfire | tehnoir: I'm on GUI Text Editors, I skipped Graphics and Global Search Addons Collection (too time consuming at the moment) |
| 00:16.50 | JackieRipper | rwhitby: heh... not sure I could reproduce it, but I can try |
| 00:16.56 | tehnoir | Thanks, hopspitfire. |
| 00:17.08 | destinal | yeah, easy enough, turn it over thenfind the clip on the bottom and push it in while pulling the cover forward |
| 00:17.12 | destinal | (off) |
| 00:17.12 | hopspitfire | JackieRipper: Sweet, that's pretty awesome. |
| 00:17.14 | nebula | if anyone uses F5 for their work VPN, here ya go: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/F5VPN |
| 00:17.19 | tehnoir | hopspitfire: You still working down the list or are you taking a break for now? |
| 00:17.45 | hopspitfire | tehnoir: I'm just going to finish up GUI Text Editors, then I'm leaving work and having a nap :) |
| 00:18.11 | tehnoir | Ah ha! I pull tab! I feel like an idiot. Thanks, destinal. heh. |
| 00:18.18 | tehnoir | Sounds good, hopspitfire. |
| 00:19.05 | destinal | tehnoir: ah I didn't realize you had the backplate off already lol, yeah the tab's the easy part |
| 00:19.11 | Templarian | hopspitfire: just incase you missed it, can you please not use /'s in page titles Please. |
| 00:19.36 | hopspitfire | Templarian: I got your message, sorry about that. |
| 00:19.50 | Templarian | There were no rules about it before, so nothing big. |
| 00:20.02 | hopspitfire | Templarian: I wasn't manually creating pages though, just using the links already provided. |
| 00:20.22 | Templarian | Yea I figured. Most are doing that. |
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| 00:21.43 | destinal | Eguy-angry: why angry? |
| 00:22.57 | destinal | fine then, be that way :P I have to drive home anyway. bbl |
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| 00:24.33 | raeb | greetings |
| 00:24.43 | hopspitfire | I'll catch you guys later. |
| 00:24.59 | Templarian | I think I'm going to integrate some light JS into the front of the wiki's new main page soon. Try and seperate the (webOS Internals portion of the visitors from the webOS only people). It will default to the webOS-Internal page of course. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page_beta |
| 00:25.37 | raeb | lol |
| 00:25.44 | raeb | cuz the url |
| 00:25.48 | raeb | is webos-internals.org |
| 00:25.49 | raeb | 'just sayin |
| 00:26.24 | Templarian | I know, but the site has quite a bit webOS connect that is pretty much just SDK related now. |
| 00:26.31 | raeb | thats true |
| 00:26.57 | Templarian | The applications page for instance is huge (while it's may not be SDK, you can't really tell the difference) |
| 00:27.22 | tehnoir | Do I need special permissions on predev.wikidot.com to edit pages so I can copy the source? |
| 00:27.43 | raeb | yeah, edit perms |
| 00:28.10 | Templarian | feel free to just blurt out the password we've moved most pages now lol. |
| 00:28.32 | Templarian | uses most litely of course... so many pages. |
| 00:28.32 | raeb | mmm i dont remember what it is lol |
| 00:28.39 | Templarian | me either... lol |
| 00:29.08 | raeb | i think its funny that the old site is pw'ded but the new one? not so much |
| 00:29.42 | tehnoir | Heh. |
| 00:29.44 | Templarian | raeb: we have a lot more admin control over the new one. |
| 00:30.03 | Templarian | tehnoir: when someone remembers what it is you will be the first to know lol. |
| 00:30.11 | tehnoir | Haha. Sounds like a plan. |
| 00:30.33 | tehnoir | In the mean time, I'll try to get some actual work done so I don't feel as bad later when I get distracted with copying over the pages. |
| 00:30.53 | raeb | o |
| 00:31.10 | raeb | guh i copied some pages |
| 00:31.18 | raeb | the replacements |
| 00:31.22 | raeb | sux |
| 00:31.27 | raeb | could use a nice script for that |
| 00:33.11 | tehnoir | sed and awk are two wonderful tools that would make my life so much easier if only I used them frequently enough to remember how to use them. |
| 00:33.15 | rwhitby | I've /msg'd tehnoir the pwd |
| 00:33.27 | raeb | yeah i always wonder if i'm doing it too much |
| 00:33.37 | raeb | u know multiple awk/sed/grep statmenets |
| 00:33.42 | raeb | maybe could be combined into less |
| 00:34.01 | rwhitby | if someone does write a script, please put it in a repo so that we can all improve on it ... |
| 00:35.18 | tehnoir | So um...dumb question. |
| 00:35.33 | tehnoir | Now that I have the password, how would I go about giving myself edit perms? :) |
| 00:36.49 | Templarian | tehnoir: use it when creating your account on the wikidot site |
| 00:37.03 | Templarian | On the left column. |
| 00:37.25 | tehnoir | Can't give permissions to an existing account? |
| 00:37.50 | tehnoir | Oh, I see. |
| 00:38.06 | tehnoir | ...maybe. |
| 00:38.14 | tehnoir | This is why I really shouldn't quit caffeine. |
| 00:41.31 | rwhitby | Templarian: actually, you don't use it when you create your account, you use it to add your already-created account to the predev access list. |
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| 00:42.30 | JackieRipper | raeb: do you have an example? |
| 00:42.54 | gordian | hey dudes |
| 00:42.57 | JackieRipper | has his copy of "sed & awk" right here... |
| 00:43.06 | JackieRipper | hiya gordian |
| 00:43.16 | tehnoir | Yeah, I'm not finding it. |
| 00:43.44 | gordian | so like an idiot i was following the old wiki instructions to install the arm version of ipkg on my emulator |
| 00:44.28 | gordian | i know there's now a quicker way to do it |
| 00:44.37 | gordian | but i just want to undo everything i did |
| 00:46.51 | tehnoir | All I'm finding are places that tell me that I'm not an admin, but nowhere to enter a password to give myself edit permissions. |
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| 00:51.41 | rwhitby | gordian: delete everything under /opt and start again |
| 00:51.57 | gordian | what's the quickest way to do that? |
| 00:52.10 | rwhitby | rm -rf /opt |
| 00:52.27 | gordian | hah |
| 00:52.29 | rwhitby | then run the optware-boostrap.sh script |
| 00:52.34 | gordian | well problem is i made it to step 7 in the guide |
| 00:52.54 | JackieRipper | gordian: the script checks to see which steps were already done |
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| 00:52.58 | gordian | so dont i need to get rid of it in fstab? |
| 00:53.07 | JackieRipper | shouldn't |
| 00:54.06 | gordian | rm gave me an error that a file was in use |
| 00:54.23 | PuffTheMagic | JackieRipper: yeah getting the sdk running on gentoo was cake |
| 00:54.29 | JackieRipper | ahh yes... dropbear is running |
| 00:54.30 | PuffTheMagic | i was thinking of whipping up an ebuild for it in THE overlay |
| 00:54.51 | JackieRipper | PuffTheMagic: did you get novacomd running, too? |
| 00:54.59 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt get my init script working |
| 00:55.07 | PuffTheMagic | but yeah i just run it manually |
| 00:55.19 | JackieRipper | are you running 32 or 64bit? |
| 00:55.23 | PuffTheMagic | 32bit |
| 00:55.27 | JackieRipper | ahh |
| 00:55.29 | gordian | i got rid of the ref in /etc/fstab and now the rm succeeded |
| 00:55.34 | gordian | kewl |
| 00:55.38 | gordian | i feel like i know what i'm doing |
| 00:55.41 | JackieRipper | I'm running 64 |
| 00:55.54 | rwhitby | Do we even know how to really brick a Pre if we really wanted to try hard enough to do so? I personally don't. |
| 00:55.56 | PuffTheMagic | nice... in a chroot or do they have 64bit bin too? |
| 00:56.09 | JackieRipper | just ran it and it seemed to work |
| 00:56.12 | JackieRipper | no chroot |
| 00:56.18 | PuffTheMagic | well the emu is java |
| 00:56.23 | PuffTheMagic | so it "should" work |
| 00:56.26 | JackieRipper | though I just have the emulator running |
| 00:56.35 | JackieRipper | 64bit java, too |
| 00:56.47 | JackieRipper | sun-jdk-1.6 |
| 00:56.50 | PuffTheMagic | the sdk useland in virtualbox is 32bit though |
| 00:56.55 | JackieRipper | yes |
| 00:57.56 | JackieRipper | so I'm not a java guy at all... how do you start novacomd manually? |
| 00:58.09 | JackieRipper | java /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/jars/novacom.jar or some such? |
| 00:58.53 | rwhitby | tehnoir: ah, someone removed the "join this wiki" link on the old wiki |
| 00:59.02 | rwhitby | it was something like system:join I think? |
| 00:59.21 | gordian | how can i manually edit $PATH? |
| 00:59.37 | gordian | is it in /etc/profile? |
| 01:00.01 | tehnoir | Good memory, rwhitby :) |
| 01:00.16 | JackieRipper | gordian: temporarily for this session, or so it sticks? |
| 01:00.23 | gordian | so it sticks |
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| 01:00.37 | JackieRipper | I would create a file in /etc/profile.d |
| 01:00.40 | gordian | i'd just assume eliminate the /opt references in PATH |
| 01:01.00 | gordian | cool |
| 01:01.01 | JackieRipper | that's probablt /etc/profile.d/optware |
| 01:01.37 | tharris- | I posted my first vulnerability from 1.0.3 ->>> http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/ |
| 01:02.29 | rwhitby | gordian: our scripts automatically add a file in /etc/profile.d to modify your path |
| 01:03.14 | gordian | even for the emulator? |
| 01:03.29 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:03.41 | gordian | cool |
| 01:03.41 | rwhitby | same script for both. it works out what it should do. |
| 01:03.44 | gordian | i'll just give it a go |
| 01:03.54 | PuffTheMagic | JackieRipper: it should be in your path |
| 01:03.56 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 01:03.57 | gordian | i'm just such a noob that i'd like to be learning |
| 01:03.57 | PuffTheMagic | i just run |
| 01:04.02 | gordian | so i know what i'm doing |
| 01:04.08 | rwhitby | Note that you will want to mount a separate virtual disk on the emulator for /opt to give yourself some space. we don't have a wiki page for that, so please feel free to contribute one. |
| 01:04.10 | gordian | and not just following mindless instructions |
| 01:04.31 | PuffTheMagic | JackieRipper: /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd |
| 01:04.35 | PuffTheMagic | just start that |
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| 01:04.43 | JackieRipper | PuffTheMagic: doesn't exist for me.... hmmmm |
| 01:04.51 | PuffTheMagic | did u download that extra package |
| 01:04.59 | PuffTheMagic | there was link on the palm page |
| 01:05.09 | JackieRipper | I don't have /opt/Palm... I have /opt/PalmSDK |
| 01:05.14 | PuffTheMagic | right |
| 01:05.16 | JackieRipper | ohhh no |
| 01:05.18 | JackieRipper | heh |
| 01:05.22 | PuffTheMagic | u only download 1 of2 things then |
| 01:05.48 | gordian | ' /dev/hdb1 does not exist ' |
| 01:05.54 | gordian | is that a standard error for install on the emu? |
| 01:06.21 | gordian | i got that error but everything else seemed to complete |
| 01:06.26 | gordian | ' Setup complete ' |
| 01:06.41 | JackieRipper | PuffTheMagic: did you install virtualbox from palm's site, or from portage? |
| 01:06.49 | PuffTheMagic | portage |
| 01:06.51 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 01:06.54 | PuffTheMagic | an overlay |
| 01:06.55 | PuffTheMagic | actually |
| 01:06.56 | PuffTheMagic | im using 3 |
| 01:06.58 | PuffTheMagic | not 2.x |
| 01:07.31 | PuffTheMagic | JackieRipper: http://omploader.org/vMjBkaw |
| 01:07.39 | PuffTheMagic | thats novacomd |
| 01:07.50 | PuffTheMagic | cd / and untar it |
| 01:09.27 | JackieRipper | just grabbed it from palm... palm-novacom-0.3-svn177284.tgz |
| 01:09.53 | JackieRipper | PuffTheMagic: 3.0.2 is in portage |
| 01:10.06 | PuffTheMagic | it wasnt a week ago ish then |
| 01:10.08 | JackieRipper | in the main portage, that is |
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| 01:13.32 | tehnoir | On the wiki, should [[ text ]] be replaced with <pre><nowiki> text </pre></nowiki> ? |
| 01:14.13 | Templarian | tehnoir: use the <source lang="text"></source> |
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| 01:14.31 | tehnoir | Okay. |
| 01:15.03 | HebrewzHammer | anyone see A2NY lately? |
| 01:15.22 | rwhitby | ~seen A2NY |
| 01:15.24 | infobot | a2ny <n=A2NY@c-98-239-70-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 6h 7m 38s ago, saying: 'so i got the location and emailed it to myself'. |
| 01:15.42 | rwhitby | ~botsnack |
| 01:15.42 | infobot | rwhitby: thanks |
| 01:15.45 | HebrewzHammer | lol, thanx |
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| 01:15.53 | gordian | sup Hammer |
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| 01:16.05 | HebrewzHammer | anyone know much about the actual percentage mod? |
| 01:16.25 | HebrewzHammer | I was wondering if the puck does trickle charge |
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| 01:23.49 | JackieRipper | PuffTheMagic: working great. Thanks! |
| 01:25.09 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: did you just change the nav-block |
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| 01:27.49 | gordian | ok when i ran the bootstrap script on the emu it didn't prompt me for anything |
| 01:29.05 | gordian | and now sudo throws me an error |
| 01:29.15 | HebrewzHammer | whats the easiest/best way to install gomebrew on a rooted Pre? |
| 01:30.07 | rwhitby | SDK and palm-install |
| 01:30.14 | HebrewzHammer | k, thanx |
| 01:30.31 | rwhitby | if it requires access to linux to do something as root, use SDK and novaterm |
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| 01:36.58 | gordian | aaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggg |
| 01:37.24 | gordian | i uninstalled and reinstalled the bloody SDK but everything is the same as it was before the uninstall |
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| 01:37.30 | HebrewzHammer | would the only way to install homebrew through wifi be to copy the ipk to the PRE using sftp then instaal using putty? |
| 01:37.38 | tehnoir | Well, only got three pages moved over, but now that I've got the hang of it, hopefully I can get a bunch done tomorrow. |
| 01:37.55 | Rick__ | thank you tehnoir |
| 01:37.58 | Rick__ | we appriciate it. |
| 01:38.08 | Rick__ | did you put the redirects in place on the old wiki? |
| 01:38.10 | tehnoir | Sure thing, Rick__. I appreciate the great wiki you guys have put together :) |
| 01:38.26 | gordian | HebrewzHammer |
| 01:38.35 | gordian | have you stuck sftp on your emu? |
| 01:40.07 | HebrewzHammer | ? no, i have it rooted, and I use PuTTY to do everything on it. It is just a pain in the butt for me to plug my Pre into my computer b/c I only have one micro usb cable and I use it for the puck and it all tucked away. |
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| 01:40.32 | HebrewzHammer | can u install homebrew through wifi using the sdk? |
| 01:40.37 | Rick__ | no |
| 01:40.40 | HebrewzHammer | dam |
| 01:40.43 | HebrewzHammer | didn't think so |
| 01:41.07 | HebrewzHammer | i was just gonna use command line in |
| 01:41.20 | HebrewzHammer | Putty but i forgot the ipk install command |
| 01:41.27 | Rick__ | HebrewzHammer http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5456&seq=1&format=2 |
| 01:41.38 | HebrewzHammer | Rick__: lol, thanx |
| 01:41.47 | HebrewzHammer | i really need to get another cab;e |
| 01:42.24 | Rick__ | actually, I bought 5 of these http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5457&seq=1&format=2 |
| 01:42.29 | Rick__ | for 99 cents each |
| 01:42.32 | Rick__ | they work GREAT |
| 01:42.35 | Rick__ | one in the laptop bag |
| 01:42.40 | Rick__ | One on the desk at home |
| 01:42.45 | Rick__ | one on the desk at work |
| 01:42.57 | Rick__ | one in the car plugged into the cheap-ass car usb power adaptor |
| 01:43.08 | Rick__ | one in my suitcase in the road warrier kit. |
| 01:43.35 | Rick__ | tht way, I never forget and leave a cable behind. I _always_ leave the cables where they are. :-) $5 well spent |
| 01:45.38 | gordian | how can i get the dir structure on the emu back to the default way it was? |
| 01:45.46 | HebrewzHammer | got it, just used "ipkg-opt install ..." |
| 01:45.48 | gordian | i tried uninstalling and reinstalling but that did not work |
| 01:46.03 | Rick__ | delete the entire sdk folder and reinstall |
| 01:46.18 | gordian | k |
| 01:46.23 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: for normal webOS apps, "ipkg -o /var install ..." is better |
| 01:46.30 | gordian | damn it all |
| 01:46.33 | Rick__ | uh, being sure that you deleted the disk images for the vitualbox. |
| 01:49.11 | Rick__ | gordian http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1650 |
| 01:49.25 | Rick__ | this is the walk through to be sure you uninstalled everything |
| 01:50.19 | rwhitby | being able to point to Palm doco is nice. |
| 01:50.25 | Rick__ | nodnod |
| 01:50.39 | Rick__ | and note that if you have saved a snapshot in the emulator YOU HAVE TO DISCARD THAT FIRST |
| 01:50.46 | Rick__ | or you can NOT overwrite the emulator |
| 01:50.52 | Rick__ | this is a sun virtualbox "feature" |
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| 01:50.59 | Rick__ | and probably what happend to gordian |
| 01:51.06 | gordian | what happened to me? |
| 01:51.10 | rwhitby | yeah, I struggled with that one for an hour some days ago :-) |
| 01:51.45 | gordian | i've just uninstalled the SDK |
| 01:52.08 | gordian | but there's no SDK dir left on my machine |
| 01:52.12 | Rick__ | did you delete the palm emulator from virtualbox? |
| 01:52.18 | Rick__ | because if you didn't it won't overwrite it |
| 01:52.32 | Rick__ | you have to run virtualbox, and select the palm emulator, and right click and choose delete |
| 01:52.33 | rwhitby | uninstall virtualbox, and delete it's install dir too |
| 01:52.42 | gordian | shittt |
| 01:52.42 | Rick__ | and if you have saved a snapshot, then it won't do it. |
| 01:53.00 | gordian | i haven't saved snaps |
| 01:53.03 | Rick__ | and MINE will not discard the snapshot |
| 01:53.07 | gordian | but i have to uninstall virtualbox? |
| 01:53.13 | gordian | damn it all |
| 01:53.14 | Rick__ | good. then just delete it FROM WITHIN VIRUTUALBOX and you'll be ok |
| 01:53.29 | Rick__ | run virtualbox |
| 01:53.29 | Rick__ | choose the emulator |
| 01:53.29 | gordian | i've just done that |
| 01:53.29 | Rick__ | and delete it. |
| 01:53.29 | gordian | yeah i did it |
| 01:53.32 | Rick__ | ok |
| 01:53.35 | Rick__ | then you're good to go |
| 01:53.41 | gordian | just reinstall? |
| 01:53.57 | gordian | fuck, sorry for being such a noob |
| 01:54.20 | gordian | aright gonna give this another shot |
| 01:54.29 | gordian | brb |
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| 02:00.15 | gordian | ok |
| 02:00.28 | gordian | everything on the emu appears to be running normally now |
| 02:00.30 | gordian | back to default |
| 02:00.55 | gordian | my goal is just to install optware, a non root user, sudo, and sftp |
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| 02:01.12 | gordian | following the steps on the wiki gets me into trouble |
| 02:01.19 | gordian | everything worked fine on the device itself |
| 02:01.39 | gordian | i just want the emu = device |
| 02:01.54 | gordian | :/ |
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| 02:03.21 | mark__ | how can i flash the pre? where can i find info on doing that? |
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| 02:03.50 | Rick__ | uh |
| 02:03.59 | Rick__ | you want to restore the Pre to factory defaults mark__ |
| 02:04.01 | Rick__ | ??? |
| 02:04.29 | mark__ | no, have a webOS.jar file I want to upload to phone |
| 02:05.17 | Rick__ | which one? |
| 02:05.55 | Eguy-angry | oy |
| 02:06.04 | rwhitby | gordian: when you get to the step of running optware-boostrap.sh on the emulator, let me know and we'll walk through it together |
| 02:06.14 | gordian | ok |
| 02:06.46 | gordian | rwhitby: i'm there |
| 02:06.55 | gordian | i mean, i'm in a putty session and ready to go |
| 02:07.09 | gordian | last time i ran the boostrap though i was never presented with any prompts |
| 02:07.35 | rwhitby | gordian: wget the latest optware-bootstrap.sh script from the bootstrap gitorious repo |
| 02:07.41 | gordian | just did that |
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| 02:07.55 | rwhitby | then run it with sh -x optware-bootstrap.sh, and be prepared to pastebin the output for me to look at. |
| 02:08.09 | rwhitby | gordian: have you created a separate virtual disk for /opt ? |
| 02:08.16 | gordian | no |
| 02:08.35 | Rick__ | mark__ the procedure is here: http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html |
| 02:08.43 | gordian | should i ? |
| 02:08.51 | gordian | ehh, too late now anyway |
| 02:08.53 | Rick__ | assuming you have a good webos.jar, follow those instructions using your jar and you're good to go. |
| 02:08.55 | mark__ | I downloaded this one: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 02:09.06 | Rick__ | ok no problem |
| 02:09.11 | Rick__ | follow those instructions then. |
| 02:09.24 | Rick__ | but mark__ --- BE AWARE |
| 02:09.30 | Rick__ | this will TOTALLY ERASE YOUR PHONE |
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| 02:09.37 | Rick__ | so please, if you have photos or something on it |
| 02:09.43 | Rick__ | BACK THEM UP TO YOUR PC FIRST |
| 02:09.43 | mark__ | I just thought it strange that there's absolutly no info on how fo flash it.. |
| 02:09.50 | mark__ | OK, that's no problem. |
| 02:09.55 | Rick__ | there's a full page on the sprint site about it. |
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| 02:10.04 | Rick__ | we just point there, 'cause heck, that's how you do it. |
| 02:10.08 | gordian | rwhitby: |
| 02:10.09 | mark__ | anyway to do it from linux? |
| 02:10.12 | gordian | rwhitby: all done |
| 02:10.13 | rwhitby | gordian: the optware-boostrap.sh script will expect a /dev/hdb1 partition in virtualbox |
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| 02:10.31 | gordian | yeah i'm not sure how to do that |
| 02:10.34 | Rick__ | no diff mark__ run the jar and it will execute. follow the instructions on the sprint site. |
| 02:10.38 | gordian | and i've already run the script |
| 02:10.43 | Rick__ | the jar is a java executable. |
| 02:10.48 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, pastebin the output, just for laughs. |
| 02:10.51 | gordian | and i think my putty buffer is set too low to paste all of it |
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| 02:10.58 | mark__ | OK.. yeah, asked it before I read the site. |
| 02:11.10 | gordian | :/ |
| 02:11.56 | Eguy-angry | yipee for Swine Flu! |
| 02:12.03 | gordian | sorry, i warned you i was a noob |
| 02:12.09 | gordian | i have no prob following directions |
| 02:12.13 | gordian | i just wasn't given any |
| 02:12.17 | gordian | :/ |
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| 02:12.40 | gordian | rwhitby: want me to uninstall and reinstall again? |
| 02:12.48 | Rick__ | mark__ if it won't connect to the doctor... turn the phone off and hold the volume up button while turning the phone on. |
| 02:12.59 | rwhitby | gordian: paste what you've got first |
| 02:13.04 | gordian | k |
| 02:13.07 | Rick__ | That _always_ works. We have not yet found a pre that won't do that. (well a few required a battery out first...) |
| 02:13.24 | rwhitby | Rick__: have we converted that page over to the new wiki yet? |
| 02:13.37 | mark__ | OK.. trying to figure out a way to get the battery out.. do you just pull that strip? |
| 02:13.55 | mark__ | OK, got it |
| 02:14.07 | rwhitby | then we can link to the Palm user manual for how to get the battery out ;-) |
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| 02:14.13 | gordian | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m41580138 |
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| 02:15.21 | gord1an | test |
| 02:15.40 | gord1an | finally |
| 02:15.40 | rwhitby | gordian: what on earth did you do there? |
| 02:15.58 | gordian | i pasted the output |
| 02:15.59 | gordian | hehe |
| 02:16.05 | rwhitby | gordian: what was the actual single command you typed to run the script? |
| 02:16.07 | gordian | i did exactly as you said |
| 02:16.17 | gordian | sh -x bootstrap.sh |
| 02:16.38 | rwhitby | and then you took the output from the running of that script and pasted that into webos.pastebin.com and did nothing else? |
| 02:16.47 | gordian | yup |
| 02:16.52 | rwhitby | I think you pasted the output back into PuTTY |
| 02:17.20 | gordian | ehh shit |
| 02:17.24 | gordian | i might have done that |
| 02:17.35 | rwhitby | and the script does not create /tmp/optware-bootstrap.sh.log so you did something else too |
| 02:17.36 | gordian | fawk |
| 02:17.42 | gordian | no man |
| 02:17.52 | rwhitby | gordian: unless you tell me specifically and precisely what you are doing I can't help. simple as that. |
| 02:17.53 | gordian | i literally did the wget |
| 02:18.03 | gordian | then ran sh -x as you said |
| 02:18.11 | gordian | and i keep thinking i need to right click to copy |
| 02:18.24 | gordian | so when i tried to copy first time i actually pasted |
| 02:18.27 | gordian | :x |
| 02:18.29 | rwhitby | ok, the script does the log. |
| 02:18.55 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, please paste the contents of the optware-boostrap.sh.log file to webos.pastebin.com and nothing else. |
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| 02:19.17 | gordian | ok |
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| 02:21.35 | gordian | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m7d8963ff |
| 02:21.44 | gordian | sorry to be such a mincer |
| 02:21.45 | gordian | :/ |
| 02:21.53 | gordian | thanks for being patient |
| 02:22.30 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, that's good. |
| 02:22.40 | rwhitby | gordian: please tell me the output from "df -k /opt" |
| 02:23.01 | gordian | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 02:23.09 | gordian | rootfs 402949 335288 47181 88% / |
| 02:23.41 | rwhitby | gordian: how about "df -k /var" ? |
| 02:24.02 | gordian | same |
| 02:24.04 | gordian | identical |
| 02:24.14 | rwhitby | good, that's expected |
| 02:24.32 | gordian | excellent |
| 02:24.37 | rwhitby | So you have 47MB left on your emulator disk before you need to create a new virtual disk and mount it. |
| 02:25.01 | gordian | ok |
| 02:25.04 | rwhitby | depending on what you want to do, that might be either plenty of room or a tiny miniscule amount |
| 02:25.23 | gordian | atm it seems like plenty |
| 02:25.44 | gordian | not looking to develop apps, just mod some stock apps |
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| 02:26.41 | rwhitby | ah, if you want to install quilt to mod stock apps in the correct way, you may need more than that. let's try it out, if you're willing to reinstall the emulator if it doesn't work. |
| 02:27.18 | rwhitby | gordian: get the quilt-boostrap.sh script from the same site, and run it in the same way and pastebin the output |
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| 02:31.54 | PuffTheMagic | has 1gig ext3 loopback image on /media/internal for all his optware |
| 02:32.43 | gordian | ok |
| 02:32.47 | gordian | use the -x switch as well? |
| 02:37.37 | gordian | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1d8e74a1 |
| 02:38.50 | rwhitby | gordian: that's a run of optware-boostrap.sh |
| 02:39.26 | rwhitby | seriously mate, you need to following instructions carefully or you're gonna get into a right mess. |
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| 02:40.25 | gordian | sorry rwhitby |
| 02:40.30 | gordian | just been a long day |
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| 02:40.33 | gordian | i know it's no excuse |
| 02:40.39 | gordian | but thanks for being patient |
| 02:44.13 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_opt_on_loopback |
| 02:46.04 | rwhitby | gordian: got the pastebin of quilt-bootstrap.sh yet? |
| 02:46.22 | gordian | it keeps freezing on "Installing quilt: + ipkg-opt install quilt" |
| 02:46.29 | gordian | restarted the emu a few times |
| 02:46.58 | gordian | the virtual disk shows activity still |
| 02:47.03 | gordian | but it's taking a bloody while |
| 02:48.08 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: yeah, the reason why we don't do that by default is cause it stuffs up the mounting of /media/internal as a USB slave drive for the desktop |
| 02:48.26 | rwhitby | gordian: it'll take some time - it's big. |
| 02:48.42 | gordian | ok |
| 02:48.45 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: "stuffs up"? |
| 02:48.59 | PuffTheMagic | there is 7gig free |
| 02:49.12 | PuffTheMagic | but anyway, i wouldnt expect it as default |
| 02:49.24 | PuffTheMagic | but its there for those who are gonna go optware crazy |
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| 02:50.41 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: yep, going into media access usb mode requires unmounting /media/internal, and your loopback stops that happening, so that user usb mode will no longer work |
| 02:52.38 | PuffTheMagic | eww |
| 02:53.53 | PuffTheMagic | that is something that should be noted on the wiki if its not already |
| 02:54.18 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: agreed |
| 02:55.00 | HebrewzHammer | anyonehere an admin for the new wiki? |
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| 02:55.48 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: how does /media/internal get unmounted if its still in use? |
| 02:55.53 | PuffTheMagic | does it force it something? |
| 02:56.25 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: just state what needs doing on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Admin_Changes |
| 02:56.41 | gordian | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m518b9c15 |
| 02:56.43 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: it doesn't - that's the problem. |
| 02:56.55 | PuffTheMagic | so i cant go into usb mass storage mode? |
| 02:57.21 | HebrewzHammer | rwhitby: it was more of a feature request |
| 02:57.26 | rwhitby | gordian: good, that's successful. df -k again now please |
| 02:57.41 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: just state it in channel here then |
| 02:58.23 | gordian | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 02:58.24 | gordian | rootfs 402949 383077 0 100% / |
| 02:58.46 | rwhitby | bzzt. ran out of room. |
| 02:58.57 | gordian | heh |
| 02:59.03 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, looks like we need to enforce creating a new virtual disk. |
| 02:59.14 | PuffTheMagic | btw... did anyone install bash from optware and get it working with ssh |
| 02:59.19 | PuffTheMagic | it keeps asking me for a passwd |
| 02:59.25 | PuffTheMagic | when I ssh in |
| 02:59.29 | gordian | ok |
| 02:59.32 | PuffTheMagic | even though i have ssh key |
| 02:59.42 | gordian | and i probably need to uninstall/reinstall |
| 02:59.44 | gordian | yeah? |
| 02:59.49 | HebrewzHammer | rwhitby: I was wondering if in "date and time" preferences, a custom format could be chosen. B/c I don't like a 24-hour clock. |
| 03:00.03 | PuffTheMagic | HebrewzHammer: probably a easy hack |
| 03:00.16 | PuffTheMagic | if there is no option already |
| 03:00.20 | HebrewzHammer | i assumes so but i couldn't find a way to do it |
| 03:00.50 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: we're running mediawiki 1.11 on ubuntu 8.04 LTS. whatever it can do without modification is available. |
| 03:01.04 | rwhitby | (well without modifications that can't be done in LocalSettings.php that is) |
| 03:01.22 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: are you ssh'ing in to root directly? |
| 03:01.31 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 03:01.45 | PuffTheMagic | nm i got it |
| 03:01.50 | PuffTheMagic | i had to add it to /etc/shells |
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| 03:04.18 | gordian | rwhitby: what now? |
| 03:04.23 | gordian | un/reinstall? |
| 03:04.31 | rwhitby | gordian: yep |
| 03:04.35 | gordian | grrr |
| 03:04.47 | rwhitby | gordian: I did warn you ... |
| 03:04.49 | gordian | aright we're gonna have to pick this up tomorrow |
| 03:04.54 | gordian | i know |
| 03:04.58 | gordian | i just gotta get some rest |
| 03:05.01 | gordian | i'm beat as it is |
| 03:05.31 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, ping someone here on how to add a virtual disk to virtualbox (or use the virtualbox doco) and then format it as ext3 for /dev/hdb1. |
| 03:05.43 | rwhitby | then the script will pick it up and use it |
| 03:06.08 | gordian | do i need to run both scripts? |
| 03:06.23 | gordian | (after i've reinstalled) |
| 03:08.52 | PuffTheMagic | mmmmmmm |
| 03:09.04 | PuffTheMagic | now has colorful bash terminal |
| 03:09.12 | PuffTheMagic | now me feels at home |
| 03:10.13 | Robi_ | no kidding! i missed out over the weekend |
| 03:10.17 | Robi_ | link me |
| 03:10.18 | rwhitby | gordian: yep, you'll have plenty of space then |
| 03:10.28 | gordian | right on |
| 03:10.32 | gordian | well thanks for the help tonight |
| 03:10.37 | gordian | ttyl |
| 03:10.53 | rwhitby | no probs - you gave good feedback on the space requirements |
| 03:11.43 | bclancy84 | I just noticed that the email program also writes to /var, but it does not seem to have an easy way to archive messages. I know we write to /var/opt, but I think Palm has a problem by not managing what email and possibly some logs write to /var. I've written up a "bug report" for your reading at http://webos.pastebin.com/m7f962ed8 which I'd like to discuss here |
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| 03:13.22 | bclancy84 | I read that 75% seems to be the cutoff (when you see the "Sorry, Not Enough Memory" message. |
| 03:13.24 | MLJones8 | Hey all.. what sftp client do you all recommend for a new guy? I simply want the ability to transfer files w/o switching to usb drive... |
| 03:13.33 | rwhitby | bclancy84: looks perfect to me |
| 03:14.02 | rwhitby | bclancy84: what I like about your bug report is the reproduction steps that only require Palm approved methods to access and debug the problem |
| 03:14.15 | bclancy84 | rwhitby: I did not mention that homebrew installs exacerbate (sp?) the problem. |
| 03:14.17 | rwhitby | MLJones8: which host platform? |
| 03:14.26 | rwhitby | bclancy84: correctly so |
| 03:14.54 | HebrewzHammer | LMAO, anyone check out the app request for a fingerprint scanner for the Pre?!?! --> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193761-app-reqest-pre-fingerprint-scanner.html |
| 03:15.13 | bclancy84 | rwhitby: I don't want to alarm people over in PreCental.net. Is there someone you can forward this to? |
| 03:15.34 | rwhitby | bclancy84: what's alarming about your bug report? |
| 03:16.32 | MLJones8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.33 | rwhitby | I'd just post it in both the webOS dev forum (they have a bug report section) and on the Pre forum on PreCentral. |
| 03:16.40 | rwhitby | MLJones8: WinSCP |
| 03:16.53 | bclancy84 | rwhitby: If users realize that they can't keep both all of their email history as well as apps, they might bail from the Pre as a platform. That could hurt Palm. |
| 03:17.30 | rwhitby | bclancy84: I think people will just see it as a bug that Palm will fix. You can't get around the memory limitations of 8MB. |
| 03:17.42 | rwhitby | s/8MB/8GB/ |
| 03:17.48 | bclancy84 | rwhitby: You may be right. |
| 03:19.03 | bclancy84 | If anyone here knows how to file a bug report (and be sure it gets entered into Palms bug database), can you please let me know. |
| 03:19.23 | rwhitby | bclancy84: bug reports forum in webOS dev forums on palm.com |
| 03:19.27 | MLJones8 | I most certainly missing something but who keeps 8gb of email? |
| 03:19.40 | bpadalino | my gmail is about 8GB right now |
| 03:19.44 | rwhitby | MLJones8: I do. |
| 03:19.56 | bpadalino | rwhitby keeps a lot of mail |
| 03:20.00 | bclancy84 | it's not just email - there are also other things that write to /var |
| 03:20.06 | rwhitby | (on my archive IMAP server, not my home account or work account IMAP servers) |
| 03:21.11 | PuffTheMagic | can someone with root access on their pre send me their /etc/profile |
| 03:21.13 | rwhitby | I have every email I've sent or received since about 2002, and lots from 1990 onwards. |
| 03:21.42 | rwhitby | but I don't trust them to google to store for me. |
| 03:21.53 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: i have LKML for about 2 years and i still have gigs free on gmail |
| 03:21.58 | PuffTheMagic | wtf do you have in your inbox |
| 03:21.59 | PuffTheMagic | movies? |
| 03:22.35 | bpadalino | oh, we're talking gigabytes ? |
| 03:22.59 | bpadalino | i was slightly exaggerating my email usage :( |
| 03:23.56 | bclancy84 | The bottom line is that /var gets filled up - both Palm and homebrew should come up with easy ways to manage this. |
| 03:23.57 | rwhitby | my email archive is 7.GB |
| 03:24.11 | rwhitby | no movies |
| 03:24.24 | rwhitby | plenty of powerpoint in the work section |
| 03:24.26 | bpadalino | palm can resize /var and i thought rwhitby said palm has thought about that |
| 03:25.04 | rwhitby | bpadalino: sure, they can resize /var and /media/internal in whatever ratio they choose, with an OTA update that requires you to save your media files first. |
| 03:25.17 | bpadalino | right |
| 03:26.15 | Robi_ | so where's the terminal app? |
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| 03:26.40 | bpadalino | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:26.52 | noir | What are we doing with {{ }}? |
| 03:26.58 | Robi_ | what was PuffTheMagic going on about ? |
| 03:27.32 | bclancy84 | there also is some stuff in /var/logs/reports that seems to show up. I've recorded some notes about the state of my /var here: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193005-low-disk-file-system-work-around.html#post1764145 |
| 03:28.07 | bclancy84 | I meant "fill up", nit "show up? |
| 03:29.17 | rwhitby | Robi_: dunno, have you written it yet ;-) |
| 03:29.22 | rwhitby | (the terminal app) |
| 03:29.56 | Robi_ | hey i was gone for 3 days and see Puff saying some fun stuff |
| 03:29.58 | rwhitby | bclancy84: yeah, app crashes and debug uploads will take up some space on /var too |
| 03:30.26 | Robi_ | i see i'm reading out of context |
| 03:30.35 | rwhitby | Robi_: he installed optware bash and configured it to suit his tastes. |
| 03:30.42 | Robi_ | new wiki, heh, what was the prob? |
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| 03:31.44 | rwhitby | old wiki was single point of failure, and failed too often. |
| 03:31.50 | bclancy84 | rwhitby: I really don't feel like reproducing this the way I said. I need to look a bit more into what's actually filling up my device and to make a good story |
| 03:32.05 | rwhitby | bclancy84: ok |
| 03:32.23 | bclancy84 | rwhitby: I'll look at it more tomorrow |
| 03:32.25 | rwhitby | Robi_: there's a thread on it on PreCentral |
| 03:32.49 | noir | Ooh, people are looking into the Pres falsely running out of space? |
| 03:33.04 | Robi_ | k |
| 03:33.37 | noir | Oh, this thread is addressing people running out of space for homebrew apps. |
| 03:33.47 | noir | My issue was running out of space for legit apps, heh. |
| 03:33.54 | CIA-74 | bzhou * r10475 optware/trunk/make/bzr.mk: bzr: 1.16.1 -> 1.17 |
| 03:34.05 | Robi_ | Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters. |
| 03:34.06 | Robi_ | Mailer returned: 1 |
| 03:34.23 | bclancy84 | I think the the legit apps gives you the err msg around 75%, in order to leave room for other stuff |
| 03:34.26 | noir | Robi_, I got that too, but the e-mail was still delivered. |
| 03:34.39 | noir | bclancy84: The issue was that my Pre was not running out of space for apps. |
| 03:34.48 | bclancy84 | we take up a lot of that headroom for homebrew as this are currently |
| 03:34.53 | bclancy84 | ok |
| 03:35.01 | bclancy84 | oh, please explain |
| 03:36.18 | Robi_ | noir: nod. |
| 03:37.20 | rwhitby | Robi_: how can we make the notice at the top of the front page more prominent so you would see it? |
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| 03:37.59 | noir | bclancy84: I have the thread bookmarked on my other computer, but basically it's the "Sorry, Not Enough Memory" error when trying to install from the app catalog, even though there is plenty of free space. |
| 03:38.25 | noir | On the wiki, what should we be using instead of {{ }}? |
| 03:39.55 | rwhitby | noir: what are you expecting {{ }} to do ? |
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| 03:40.19 | rwhitby | noir: does http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Help:Style_Guide (linked from the front page) help? |
| 03:41.05 | noir | Didn't see it on there, rwhitby. |
| 03:41.13 | noir | Look here for an example of what {{ }} was doing: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MrittEVeUqcJ:predev.wikidot.com/hidden-features+site:predev.wikidot.com+hidden+features&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 03:41.36 | noir | If you look above the first code snippet, you'll see that "phoneAppHideCallDuration" is a different font. |
| 03:41.58 | rwhitby | Robi_: oh, the new wiki doesn't have ads like the link that noir just pasted from the old wiki |
| 03:42.17 | noir | Looking here, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidden_Features , you can see the problem that's causing on the new wiki. |
| 03:45.00 | Rick__ | {{}} is an attempt to call to a template |
| 03:45.05 | Rick__ | but no template was specified... |
| 03:45.08 | Rick__ | so it borks |
| 03:45.20 | rwhitby | noir: try backticks `monospace` |
| 03:45.27 | Rick__ | just don't do that, unless you MEAN to use a template (like we did in the list of apps.) |
| 03:45.41 | rwhitby | Rick__: {{ }} means monospace on wikidot |
| 03:45.43 | Rick__ | noir or <code>stuff</code> |
| 03:45.45 | Rick__ | also works |
| 03:45.55 | Rick__ | it did, but it sure as heck doesn't in the new wiki |
| 03:46.04 | Rick__ | I need to go edit the conversion page to discuss that. |
| 03:46.07 | Rick__ | ooops |
| 03:46.11 | rwhitby | noir: I found that by doing google for wikidot syntax, then google for mediawiki monospace |
| 03:47.17 | noir | Not working for me, but I have to head to ed. |
| 03:47.20 | noir | *bed |
| 03:47.30 | noir | Thanks for looking, rwhitby. I'll play around with it tomorrow. |
| 03:47.58 | Robi_ | rwhitby: that page was google gnerated |
| 03:48.06 | Robi_ | what am i supposed to notice? |
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| 03:48.23 | Robi_ | i saw the wiki moved just fine |
| 03:48.32 | Rick__ | much of it. |
| 03:48.33 | Rick__ | not all |
| 03:48.38 | Rick__ | people are still working on that |
| 03:49.10 | rwhitby | Robi_: wikidot reserves the right to put adds on the wiki pages - and they did on the page that noir linked. the new wiki does not and will not have banner ads like that. |
| 03:49.22 | rwhitby | s/adds/ads/ |
| 03:49.35 | d03boy | is there a way to disable the crazy "lock" feature that shows up when the screen turns on? |
| 03:49.51 | d03boy | and also, how can I add icons to my quicklauncher thing |
| 03:50.17 | Robi_ | sucky everyone is jumping on mediawiki |
| 03:50.29 | Robi_ | rwhitby: the ads on the bottom about other wikis? |
| 03:51.03 | rwhitby | Robi_: no, the banner ad for Firefox (in this instance) at the top of the page - nothing against Firefox, but they choose what ads go there. |
| 03:51.28 | Robi_ | i dont see those.. i guess noScript doing it's job in my browser ;] |
| 03:51.30 | JackieRipper | d03boy: open the app menu, touch and hold an icon on the quick launch until it glows, then drag it off into the menu. Do the same thing to drag an item into the quick launch |
| 03:52.49 | rwhitby | Robi_: the point is, we had little control over the old wiki, so we had to move before it got too big and entrenched. |
| 03:55.30 | Rick__ | d03boy there is a mod on precentral to change the launch bar from 4 to 6 icons... I haven't tried it. |
| 03:55.55 | Robi_ | rwhitby: no worries, i get it. just not pleased with the new wiki syntax |
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| 03:59.53 | d03boy | hmm ok |
| 04:00.01 | Robi_ | all this while i read an email from someone @ twiki, heh |
| 04:00.06 | d03boy | what about my other question about the lock? |
| 04:00.25 | rwhitby | Robi_: twiki, or foswiki ? |
| 04:01.34 | rwhitby | Robi_: low barrier to entry means mediawiki syntax. |
| 04:01.48 | d03boy | why not just use mediawiki? |
| 04:03.18 | rwhitby | d03boy: the new wiki does just that |
| 04:03.34 | d03boy | ah |
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| 04:08.45 | Robi_ | twiki |
| 04:10.13 | rwhitby | Robi_: isn't twiki evil and commercial now? |
| 04:12.20 | Robi_ | it has an enterprise version but no, still free |
| 04:12.34 | Rick__ | mediawiki has the advantage that there are ten gazillion wikipedia editors out there that know mediawiki syntax |
| 04:12.44 | Robi_ | i'm not sugegsting we switch |
| 04:13.46 | rwhitby | Robi_: I saw somewhere that the guy who ran Twiki went all dictatorial and commercial, and the community had to fork a fosswiki |
| 04:15.05 | Robi_ | yea possibly .. i met him.. peter thoeny |
| 04:15.05 | rwhitby | http://foswiki.org/About/WhyThisFork |
| 04:15.53 | Robi_ | wow that's recent |
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| 04:17.21 | gordian | rwhitby: still around? |
| 04:17.27 | rwhitby | yep |
| 04:17.36 | gordian | can't sleep |
| 04:17.41 | gordian | so i did a reinstall |
| 04:17.59 | gordian | is there a way to take a snapshot now so i wont have to do that again in the future? |
| 04:18.04 | gordian | can snapshot be used in that way? |
| 04:18.18 | rwhitby | gordian: yep, virtualbox supports snapshots |
| 04:18.39 | gordian | well i'd love to do that and then mount the virtual drive |
| 04:18.44 | gordian | ...if you're up for it |
| 04:18.52 | mark__ | but be careful with those snapshots. |
| 04:19.06 | mark__ | I wanted to discard my snapshot, and I ended up screwing up my whole VM |
| 04:19.22 | gordian | ok |
| 04:20.46 | rwhitby | gordian: have you created the virtual drive according to virtualbox instructions and worked out some way to format the first partition as ext3 ? |
| 04:21.21 | gordian | nope |
| 04:21.31 | gordian | i just came back from a reboot after reinstalling |
| 04:21.51 | gordian | where do i need to mount the partition once its created? |
| 04:22.00 | gordian | ./dev/hdb ? |
| 04:23.13 | rwhitby | the first partition will be /dev/hdb1, and the script will mount that |
| 04:24.07 | rwhitby | bbl (lunch) |
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| 04:35.42 | seekis | if u increase the size of the swap fs will that increase the RAM? |
| 04:36.00 | seekis | and in doing so speed up the phone? |
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| 04:37.14 | seekis | HELLO?! |
| 04:43.32 | mrvc__ | seekis -- I wouldn't think so |
| 04:43.44 | seekis | wwhy not |
| 04:44.01 | mrvc__ | swap and ram aren't the same |
| 04:44.04 | seekis | i know |
| 04:44.10 | seekis | well kinda |
| 04:44.19 | seekis | what is swap used for then |
| 04:44.42 | mrvc__ | swap is used whenever you run out of ram |
| 04:45.06 | seekis | so when you exceed the 256 MB stock it overflows in to the swap? |
| 04:45.08 | mrvc__ | so that the app can keep running, although slower |
| 04:45.21 | seekis | oh |
| 04:45.21 | seekis | ok |
| 04:45.49 | mrvc__ | without the swap, the app would just crash, or fail because it ran out of memory |
| 04:46.13 | seekis | cuz i found the swaphack.sh on my pre and thought if i upped the swap size i could run more things at once without worrying about "too many cards open" message |
| 04:46.16 | mrvc__ | increasing the swap size would let you run larger apps, but not run them faster |
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| 04:46.51 | mrvc__ | yeah, it might let you run more apps also |
| 04:46.57 | mrvc__ | but not faster |
| 04:47.06 | seekis | well more is still a nice option to have |
| 04:48.48 | gordian | ok i've made a new drive in virtualbox but cant figure out how to format to ext3 or mount it |
| 04:49.23 | gordian | any help would be appreciated |
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| 04:51.01 | pg13 | How do you install X.org on this device? |
| 04:52.10 | Robi_ | woo foswiki sounds great with those videos |
| 04:54.08 | PuffTheMagic | pg13: if you need to ask that you probably shouldnt |
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| 04:55.15 | pg13 | puffthemagic: ah |
| 04:55.23 | pg13 | puffthemagic: how am i gonna run gtk appz :( |
| 04:56.27 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt say it couldnt be done... but there is a lot of work for that which no one i know has attempted yet |
| 04:56.36 | pg13 | oh i c |
| 04:57.49 | CIA-74 | bzhou * r10477 optware/trunk/make/9base.mk: 9base: 20070601 -> 20090309 |
| 04:58.25 | pg13 | puffthmagic: how do find out the ip of the device (local lan ip) short of using novaterm or looking at router dhcplist? |
| 04:58.43 | PuffTheMagic | look in the wireless settings on the pre |
| 04:58.56 | pg13 | ok cool |
| 04:59.02 | pg13 | thanks :) |
| 04:59.56 | pg13 | puffthemagic: what gonn happen when an update for webos comes out and the files are changed so drastically |
| 05:00.00 | pg13 | that the patches cannot be reapplied |
| 05:00.01 | pg13 | o_O |
| 05:00.14 | PuffTheMagic | the patches get updates? |
| 05:00.17 | PuffTheMagic | updated |
| 05:00.25 | pg13 | oh |
| 05:00.48 | pg13 | puffy: last question mate, what do i do to get a terminal on the palm mang i dont have mobile classic.... |
| 05:01.01 | pg13 | and puffthemagic mean puff the weed? |
| 05:01.10 | PuffTheMagic | there are not quality terminals yet |
| 05:03.06 | pg13 | puffthemagic: so just restarting will exit out of developer mode mate? |
| 05:03.14 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 05:03.18 | PuffTheMagic | you need to turn it off |
| 05:03.24 | PuffTheMagic | developer mode that is |
| 05:03.50 | pg13 | oh ok sounds good mate |
| 05:03.56 | pg13 | now my palm pre is open mate |
| 05:04.21 | pg13 | thanks a lot puff the magic |
| 05:04.24 | rwhitby | gordian: what host OS are you running virtual box on? |
| 05:04.24 | PuffTheMagic | np |
| 05:04.36 | gordian | xp |
| 05:05.01 | rwhitby | gordian: there are two options - the long but easy option, or the short but harder option |
| 05:05.26 | pg13 | puffhtemagic i got a question man - what if there is wifi but the wifi does not have internet accss |
| 05:05.30 | gordian | which is the *better* option |
| 05:05.31 | pg13 | if the laptop connects to the palm pre thru wifi |
| 05:05.32 | gordian | ? |
| 05:05.36 | pg13 | will the palm pre still have internet thru evda? |
| 05:06.06 | Robi_ | y |
| 05:06.10 | gordian | harder is fine with me |
| 05:06.23 | gordian | longer doesn't bother me terribly either |
| 05:07.13 | rwhitby | gordian: the longer one is to use a Linux Live CD to format the virtual disk. |
| 05:07.27 | gordian | ahh well i haven't got one of those |
| 05:07.30 | rwhitby | the harder one is to do it on the Pre Emulator directly. |
| 05:07.35 | gordian | and don't feel like d/ling one |
| 05:07.39 | gordian | lets try the emu directly |
| 05:08.30 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, hang on while I boot mine. |
| 05:09.02 | rwhitby | gordian: while you're waiting, Rick__ will advise you where to create the wiki page where you're going to document this as we go ... |
| 05:09.18 | pg13 | hmm |
| 05:09.21 | gordian | ok |
| 05:09.31 | pg13 | PuffTheMagic: When the screen turns off it seems as though wifi turns off |
| 05:09.34 | pg13 | :( |
| 05:09.38 | PuffTheMagic | yes |
| 05:09.47 | gordian | pg13: yes that tends to happen |
| 05:09.53 | PuffTheMagic | use the patch i made to keep it on when connected |
| 05:09.53 | pg13 | what should i do about that puffthemagic or gordian |
| 05:09.56 | PuffTheMagic | its ont he wiki |
| 05:09.57 | pg13 | oh ok |
| 05:09.59 | pg13 | thanks |
| 05:10.11 | gordian | or play music |
| 05:10.21 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=PalmAppMods:screenlock |
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| 05:11.29 | gordian | hopefully i can log this |
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| 05:13.40 | gordian | yess |
| 05:13.47 | gordian | ok rwhitby |
| 05:13.50 | gordian | ready whenever you are |
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| 05:14.31 | rwhitby | gordian: do you have a new virtual disk attached to the Pre Emulator virtual machine? |
| 05:14.32 | pg13 | Puffthemagic |
| 05:14.43 | pg13 | can i simply take ur patch and put it in this /opt/src/modifications folder |
| 05:14.52 | pg13 | and then apply it the same way that u do the other patchez |
| 05:15.12 | PuffTheMagic | idk how any of that automated stuff works i havent looked at it yet |
| 05:15.18 | PuffTheMagic | i do everything with git and patch |
| 05:15.24 | pg13 | oo |
| 05:15.56 | pg13 | README browser clock luna musicplayer phoneprefs |
| 05:16.00 | pg13 | applauncher camera email messaging phone tasks |
| 05:16.12 | pg13 | what section would yours be in |
| 05:16.16 | pg13 | if you had to put it in a secton lol |
| 05:16.25 | PuffTheMagic | idk what u are talking about |
| 05:16.34 | pg13 | ah |
| 05:18.21 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: what built-in app does your patch modify? |
| 05:18.33 | PuffTheMagic | screenlock |
| 05:18.42 | PuffTheMagic | i should add that to the wiki |
| 05:18.44 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 05:19.12 | rwhitby | what is the id of the screenlock application? if it's com.palm.screenlock, then "screenlock" is the right subdir in which to put the patch in the modifications repo |
| 05:19.23 | pg13 | oh |
| 05:19.38 | pg13 | rwhitby: what should the filename be? |
| 05:19.54 | pg13 | onWhenConnected.patch ? |
| 05:20.04 | rwhitby | some-long-name-that-describes-precisely-what-the-patch-does.patch |
| 05:20.16 | pg13 | puffthemagic: what did you name the patch file on ur computer |
| 05:20.28 | PuffTheMagic | name dont matter |
| 05:20.33 | pg13 | i just want it to be uniform |
| 05:20.34 | pg13 | ;o |
| 05:20.47 | rwhitby | it does if pg13 is going to contribute it to the repo |
| 05:21.13 | PuffTheMagic | someone is gonna put my patch in the repo instead of me? |
| 05:21.25 | pg13 | lol i won dont worry but since im manually putting it in my local repo |
| 05:21.29 | pg13 | i just wnana follow ur naming |
| 05:21.31 | pg13 | :o |
| 05:21.43 | pg13 | so i dont end up after updating w/ 2 patches with diff names that are exactly identical =x |
| 05:21.46 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt create a name for it... i just ran git diff and pasted into the wiki |
| 05:22.06 | pg13 | ah |
| 05:22.13 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: work with us here - what would you call it if you needed to give it a long descriptive name |
| 05:22.46 | rwhitby | describe in 5 words or more what it does |
| 05:22.58 | PuffTheMagic | StayOnWhenConnected |
| 05:23.07 | pg13 | oo nice name |
| 05:23.24 | pg13 | so would it be like 'stay-on-when-connected.patch' |
| 05:23.28 | pg13 | located in /opt/src/modifications/screenlock |
| 05:23.29 | pg13 | ? |
| 05:23.31 | rwhitby | yep |
| 05:23.34 | pg13 | cool :D |
| 05:24.09 | gordian | rwhitby |
| 05:24.19 | rwhitby | pg13: before the patch goes in the repo, it should be re-rooted at / |
| 05:24.19 | gordian | sorry mate, gotta crash |
| 05:24.30 | rwhitby | gordian: ok, i was waiting for you to answer my last question |
| 05:24.32 | pg13 | rwhitby: yes sir |
| 05:24.37 | gordian | oh didnt see it |
| 05:24.45 | rwhitby | gordian: do you have a new virtual disk attached to the Pre Emulator virtual machine? |
| 05:25.11 | PuffTheMagic | would it be violating some license if we put the whole pre useland in a git repo |
| 05:25.14 | gordian | i'm not sure |
| 05:25.17 | gordian | i might |
| 05:25.17 | PuffTheMagic | and made branches for each patch |
| 05:25.39 | gordian | in virtual media manager i have a new hard disk that's 1gb |
| 05:25.46 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: having the whole files available in a public git repo would violate the license |
| 05:25.58 | gordian | it's attached to the pre emu, so i guess "yes" |
| 05:25.59 | rwhitby | gordian: what does 'cat /proc/partitions' say? |
| 05:26.08 | PuffTheMagic | i thought there was some "for development" clause |
| 05:26.17 | PuffTheMagic | ls |
| 05:26.19 | PuffTheMagic | oops |
| 05:26.30 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: not as far as redistributing proprietary palm code there isn't |
| 05:27.17 | PuffTheMagic | but they didnt release any proprietary palm code that I know of... everything is a closed binary or open code ;) |
| 05:27.19 | gordian | major minor #blocks name |
| 05:27.21 | gordian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.22 | gordian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.23 | PuffTheMagic | but i know what u are saying |
| 05:27.27 | gordian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.33 | gordian | that's it |
| 05:27.38 | gordian | it's not mounted or formatted |
| 05:27.40 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: is there a howto for lvresize-ing yet |
| 05:27.59 | PuffTheMagic | i just did it on my pre so i should be able to write one |
| 05:28.00 | gordian | right? |
| 05:28.02 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: nope, I don't think the guy who did it wrote up a wiki page |
| 05:28.07 | pg13 | hey i think i screwed up |
| 05:28.08 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: sweet |
| 05:28.18 | PuffTheMagic | it was pretty smooth too |
| 05:28.32 | PuffTheMagic | easier to do this with out stuff on /opt though |
| 05:28.36 | pg13 | http://webos.pastebin.com/d15933012 |
| 05:28.51 | rwhitby | gordian: yeah, I'm just looking for an fdisk on the emulator other than the one in optware (which would be a chicken and egg) |
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| 05:28.55 | PuffTheMagic | like there should be a "maybe you want to do this first" message before optware gets installed |
| 05:29.21 | gordian | hehe yeah i get it |
| 05:29.36 | pg13 | rwhitby; does that pastebin i pasted make any sense o.o;; |
| 05:29.40 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: we discussed resizing with Palm folks - they said that would probably cause problems if they had to do an OTA resize themselves |
| 05:29.55 | PuffTheMagic | they would do something like that |
| 05:30.07 | PuffTheMagic | that seems scary |
| 05:30.15 | PuffTheMagic | cause it wipes your parition |
| 05:30.17 | PuffTheMagic | when you resize it |
| 05:30.22 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: nope |
| 05:30.27 | PuffTheMagic | it did on mine |
| 05:30.34 | PuffTheMagic | after resize it was empty |
| 05:30.34 | Quantum_Mechanic | so I've got a noob question that might make my working with my Pre a little easier at least as far as modifying files is concerned |
| 05:30.38 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: they have the means to increase the ext3 size. they get you to save your media contents first |
| 05:30.45 | Eguy | What the heck is going on in here |
| 05:31.01 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: ehh... i will deal with that when it comes |
| 05:31.16 | rwhitby | pg13: PuffTheMagic's patch is anchored at /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.screenlock (or something) |
| 05:31.31 | rwhitby | pg13: for the instructions that we publish, it needs to be anchored at / |
| 05:31.35 | pg13 | ohh |
| 05:31.44 | pg13 | so i need to be in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.screenlock |
| 05:31.44 | PuffTheMagic | i can redo it |
| 05:31.47 | pg13 | to apply that patch |
| 05:31.49 | Quantum_Mechanic | how can I copy files to my local computer to view instead of just editing with VI I made a mistake somewhere and that screen is getting tiresome |
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| 05:31.57 | PuffTheMagic | give me like 5 min to finnish this resize on my pre |
| 05:31.58 | rwhitby | pg13: yep, or just wait for PuffTheMagic to redo it |
| 05:32.01 | PuffTheMagic | and then i will rebase it |
| 05:32.02 | pg13 | oh ok :D |
| 05:32.10 | pg13 | rwhitby; how do i temporarily remove the failed install ? |
| 05:32.12 | pg13 | (patch) |
| 05:32.14 | rwhitby | Quantum_Mechanic: scp |
| 05:32.22 | gordian | rwhitby |
| 05:32.27 | gordian | my eyes are closing |
| 05:32.28 | rwhitby | pg13: it didn't apply, so didn't change anything |
| 05:32.30 | gordian | let's do it tomorrow |
| 05:32.32 | pg13 | cuz i still see it in quilt series =x tho o_o |
| 05:32.59 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: is there a non busybox version of bash in optware? |
| 05:33.06 | rwhitby | gordian: you can either mke2fs the new disk, and change the script to mount /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hdb1, or wait for tomorrow to see if I find a way of partitioning the disk on the emulator |
| 05:33.14 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: yes package is bash |
| 05:33.20 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: there is no bash in busybox |
| 05:33.21 | PuffTheMagic | i have that installed |
| 05:33.27 | PuffTheMagic | and it seems like busybox bash |
| 05:33.34 | gordian | i can change the script |
| 05:33.35 | destinal | busybox has ash I think never bash |
| 05:33.39 | gordian | shouldnt be a prob |
| 05:33.45 | gordian | mke2fs ? |
| 05:33.45 | PuffTheMagic | you are right its not bash in busybox |
| 05:33.58 | destinal | it has some bashisms |
| 05:34.03 | destinal | but closer to sh probablyt |
| 05:34.04 | PuffTheMagic | something is right about my sh/console/ssh |
| 05:34.04 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/make/bash.mk |
| 05:34.12 | PuffTheMagic | come keys dont work right |
| 05:34.17 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: bash 3.2 from ftp.gnu.org |
| 05:34.18 | pg13 | rwhitby, should i delete /opt/src/patches/series and /opt/src/patches/stay-on-when-connected.patch |
| 05:34.19 | PuffTheMagic | s/come/some/ |
| 05:34.24 | rwhitby | pg13: yep |
| 05:34.24 | pg13 | o_O or is there a correct way to do it |
| 05:34.29 | pg13 | oh ok :D |
| 05:34.36 | PuffTheMagic | i have no command history |
| 05:34.40 | rwhitby | pg13: and you'll want / to be rw next time too |
| 05:34.52 | pg13 | rwhitby: yes sir |
| 05:35.14 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: dunno - the build recipe is in the .mk file I pasted |
| 05:35.21 | destinal | rwhitby: why not just wget the util-linux dpkg and extract the fisk binary from it into tmp? |
| 05:35.31 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah, that's the last resort. |
| 05:35.31 | destinal | to avoid the chicken / egg thing |
| 05:35.49 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: we are gonna need to make a special build of upstart |
| 05:35.54 | rwhitby | destinal: I was hoping palm left an fdisk in there - they have e2fsprogs installed in the emulator by default |
| 05:35.54 | PuffTheMagic | i think they are using an old one |
| 05:35.57 | PuffTheMagic | with out dbus |
| 05:36.10 | destinal | I don't think they built fdisk in their busybox |
| 05:36.16 | rwhitby | no, they didn't |
| 05:37.07 | gordian | rwhitby: we'll hit it tomorrow |
| 05:37.07 | gordian | gotta run mate |
| 05:37.07 | gordian | thanks again |
| 05:37.07 | rwhitby | destinal: hmm - maybe we just copy the rootfs virtual disk and reformat the copy |
| 05:37.07 | gordian | i'll be on earlier tomorrow |
| 05:37.07 | pg13 | rwhitby sorry for noobness and further noobness with failure to search wiki - do i just -- "mount -o remount,rw /" to do it and then "mount -o remount,ro /" when done? |
| 05:37.07 | gordian | but i'll idle |
| 05:37.25 | destinal | rwhitby: oh, to keep it simple.. |
| 05:37.33 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah |
| 05:37.41 | destinal | rwhitby: you don't actually technically need to fdisk |
| 05:37.51 | destinal | you *could* just lay down a raw fs on /dev/hdb |
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| 05:37.58 | rwhitby | destinal: I know, but weren't you the one who suggested /dev/hdb1 ? |
| 05:38.10 | rwhitby | destinal: I ran /dev/hdb as ext3 for some time |
| 05:38.14 | destinal | yes, I did, mainly because it's more conventional and what people will be used to |
| 05:38.19 | destinal | and they can fdisk -l etc |
| 05:38.26 | destinal | but it's not a big deal |
| 05:38.40 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby destinal what are you talking about... sdb* |
| 05:38.40 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah, I'll go /dev/hdb before wgetting util-linux and unpacking |
| 05:38.43 | PuffTheMagic | what context is this |
| 05:38.58 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: extra virtual disk on emulator to store optware |
| 05:39.05 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 05:39.47 | destinal | rwhitby: had anyone dealt with how to make the hdb disk or a guide just walks them through doing it in vbox? |
| 05:40.34 | rwhitby | destinal: nope, gordian is going to write that one up I expect |
| 05:40.36 | destinal | since obviously there's no red pill :) |
| 05:40.58 | pg13 | rwhitby: this is interesting my palmpre restarted but im still connected via ssh O_O |
| 05:41.09 | rwhitby | destinal: if he doesn't write it up, he will find getting help from me tomorrow difficult ... ;) |
| 05:41.19 | destinal | heh |
| 05:41.53 | rwhitby | one of my personal rules of behaviour is that if I help someone, I expect them to write it up on the wiki for the next guy. |
| 05:42.08 | rwhitby | share the load |
| 05:42.08 | pg13 | rwhitby: yes sir |
| 05:42.19 | pg13 | rwhitby: i will add all your help knowledge in the wiki when done promise |
| 05:42.27 | pg13 | rwhitby: when i want to add more patches after i have applied one patch |
| 05:42.36 | pg13 | should i clear out the /opt/src/patches directory |
| 05:42.38 | pg13 | or just keep adding more |
| 05:42.43 | pg13 | and then quilt push'ing |
| 05:42.58 | rwhitby | pg13: are you following the existing wiki page for that? |
| 05:43.01 | pg13 | yes sir |
| 05:43.09 | pg13 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches |
| 05:43.35 | pg13 | i followed it and added one patch and it applied successfully and restarted and now the patch is visible (laucnherpages patch) |
| 05:43.51 | pg13 | now i want to add another patch but /opt/src/patches/series still has the laucnherpage.patch there and the patch file is in the directory also |
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| 05:44.07 | pg13 | so im wonering if i should erase the folder's contents or continue quilt import'ing |
| 05:44.42 | rwhitby | pg13: quilt delete to remove a patch |
| 05:44.54 | *** part/#webos-internals mak__ (n=Adium@99.48.51.93) |
| 05:44.58 | rwhitby | otherwise just keep importing them to get a list of patches in the series file |
| 05:45.38 | rwhitby | you *want* quilt to know all the patches you have applied, so that it can unapply them automatically for you before the next OTA update (you have to tell it to do so) |
| 05:45.55 | pg13 | oh ok |
| 05:46.15 | rwhitby | that series file and the /.pc directory is the record of the state of your filesystem. |
| 05:47.29 | PuffTheMagic | does anyone know how to enable developer mode with luna-send? |
| 05:47.39 | pg13 | ok so rwhitby im very sorry for stupidity seriously im very stupid but ill try to help ppl who come in here in the future and u know i will cuz human nature tends to have ppl share the knowledge they gain... but |
| 05:47.54 | pg13 | right now i can just keep importing a ton of patches and then push quilt push all at once |
| 05:48.00 | rwhitby | yep |
| 05:48.06 | pg13 | cool ty :D |
| 05:48.13 | rwhitby | but probably better to do one at a time |
| 05:48.17 | rwhitby | (to make sure each works) |
| 05:48.29 | pg13 | oh ok :D |
| 05:48.37 | pg13 | and i take it the -a flag is just for "all" :D :D cool |
| 05:48.38 | rwhitby | pg13: this quilt stuff is not an easy concept, so don't be discouraged. |
| 05:48.42 | CIA-74 | bzhou * r10478 optware/trunk/make/9base.mk: 9base: default get9root |
| 05:48.49 | pg13 | rwhitby: yes sir |
| 05:49.12 | destinal | pg13: you're here rather than wallowing in ignorance and unable to do cool webos things, so you shouldn't call yourself stupid. :) |
| 05:50.17 | destinal | the most important steps are questioning and knowing where to go to get answers |
| 05:51.42 | rwhitby | (and using your own resources to search google and the wiki before asking each question) |
| 05:52.15 | pg13 | destinal: :D |
| 05:52.16 | destinal | right, there's an order of precedence for answers and where to get them. public resources first |
| 05:52.18 | pg13 | rwhitby: yes sir :D |
| 05:52.40 | destinal | that's why we all work to make them |
| 05:52.41 | rwhitby | isn't a knight of the realm (yet) |
| 05:53.58 | rwhitby | destinal: looks like we need to do /dev/hdb, since there is no fdisk on the emulator, but there is mkfs.ext3 |
| 05:54.04 | rwhitby | (and mkfs.ext4 for that matter) |
| 05:54.32 | pg13 | rwhitby: do you know if there is going to be a gui or curses based interface for quilt in the future? o_o;; i'd love for my friends to have access to this wonderful stuff but im scared they might get confused :( |
| 05:54.47 | destinal | rwhitby: cool, block device is a block device and functionality and availability beat tradition |
| 05:54.58 | rwhitby | destinal: any ideas on how to safely tell that /dev/hdb has not been formatted yet, and that we should run mkfs.ext3 on it? |
| 05:55.27 | destinal | alas, no "file" either |
| 05:55.30 | rwhitby | pg13: we've built the basic functionality - anyone with the right skills can add a GUI on the front |
| 05:55.36 | pg13 | Applying patch /opt/src/patches/phone-show-call-duration.sh |
| 05:55.36 | pg13 | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| 05:55.37 | destinal | was looking for magic |
| 05:55.43 | pg13 | Hey sorry for pasting here it was only 2 lines thts why i did :( |
| 05:55.48 | pg13 | but doesnt that look a little weird lol |
| 05:56.18 | rwhitby | pg13: malformed patch it seems. look at it with "cat <file>" and see if it looks like PuffTheMagic's patch |
| 05:56.35 | pg13 | you know what |
| 05:56.38 | pg13 | it doesnt look like a patch |
| 05:56.51 | pg13 | it is some kind of !/bin/sh script |
| 05:56.52 | pg13 | o_o;; |
| 05:57.07 | rwhitby | pg13: ah, it's a .sh file, not a .patch file |
| 05:57.14 | pg13 | ah |
| 05:57.22 | pg13 | i wonder how it got in the repository o.o;; i didnt add it manually lol |
| 05:57.29 | rwhitby | it's meant to be there |
| 05:57.36 | rwhitby | you need to run it to enact that modification |
| 05:57.41 | pg13 | ohh |
| 05:57.42 | pg13 | ic :D |
| 05:57.43 | rwhitby | it changes an sqlite database I believe |
| 05:57.51 | pg13 | nice |
| 05:57.59 | pg13 | im not gonna mess w/ it though cuz i dont know how to remove it after lol O_O |
| 05:58.08 | rwhitby | good plan |
| 05:58.16 | pg13 | :D |
| 05:58.32 | rwhitby | we need to ask the person who committed it what their plan is for OTA updates for that modification |
| 05:58.49 | pg13 | ls |
| 05:58.51 | pg13 | oops |
| 05:59.45 | pg13 | hmm |
| 06:00.07 | pg13 | too bad there isnt some kind of cydia type interface for all this cool stuff you guys made lol... |
| 06:00.21 | pg13 | if there was, i think palm pre would blow up and be one of hte most popularphones on campus =x |
| 06:00.35 | pg13 | palm should pay you guys |
| 06:00.53 | rwhitby | pg13: all these apps should end up in Palm's app catalog |
| 06:00.59 | rwhitby | it's just a matter of time |
| 06:01.05 | pg13 | oh what about hte patches/mods though lol |
| 06:01.11 | pg13 | i mean this launcher pages thing alone is huge! |
| 06:01.19 | pg13 | you dont knokw how it helped me in terms of organization |
| 06:01.28 | destinal | rwhitby |
| 06:01.32 | rwhitby | pg13: that code was already in Palm's sources. we just uncommented it. |
| 06:01.36 | destinal | sudo dd if=/dev/sda3 of=fsbegin bs=2000 count=1 |
| 06:01.41 | destinal | $ file fsbegin |
| 06:01.41 | destinal | fsbegin: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=f35b8060-a10f-415e-ad77-a497999a1fb1 (needs journal recovery) (large files |
| 06:01.53 | destinal | we could find the magic without file I suppose |
| 06:02.07 | rwhitby | destinal: maybe I just try and mount it, and mkfs it if the mount fails. |
| 06:02.30 | destinal | sure, that's simpler and should work |
| 06:02.40 | destinal | I was thinking of some kind of fsck args but I'd have to dig for them |
| 06:02.45 | rwhitby | since it's only when people run the bootstrap script, it should be fine |
| 06:04.56 | PuffTheMagic | fixing patch now |
| 06:05.42 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: what are you trying to do now? |
| 06:05.44 | destinal | yup mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb /mnt/hdb || echo failed |
| 06:05.46 | destinal | works as expected |
| 06:05.55 | PuffTheMagic | oh still emu stuff |
| 06:05.55 | PuffTheMagic | n,m |
| 06:06.38 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: mrvc made a lot of progress on plugins, he's got all the javascript object properties and function / invoke stuff working |
| 06:06.48 | PuffTheMagic | nice |
| 06:06.49 | destinal | git pull to check it out |
| 06:07.00 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: you get my message about upstart |
| 06:07.36 | destinal | the latest version having dbus yeah |
| 06:07.54 | PuffTheMagic | err well i said the version on the pre does not have dbus it seems |
| 06:08.03 | pg13 | rwhitby: really dumb Q -- http://predev.wikidot.com/hide-delete-the-nascar-app -- in OTA update is there an issue? |
| 06:08.08 | destinal | but would it talk to luna-send or do they do something special to dbus for the busses? |
| 06:08.12 | pg13 | (in other words should i make it into a patch lol) |
| 06:08.26 | PuffTheMagic | it should work |
| 06:08.33 | PuffTheMagic | but we need a upstart with dbus first |
| 06:08.39 | PuffTheMagic | idk how about adding that to optware |
| 06:09.04 | rwhitby | pg13: dunno |
| 06:09.28 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: should be easy to add to optware |
| 06:09.35 | pg13 | rwhitby: ill make a patch :D |
| 06:09.57 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: the hard bit is that optware can't modify Palm files, so you need to work out how the two interoperate |
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| 06:10.15 | rwhitby | (not "can't" but "doesn't by design and policy") |
| 06:10.18 | PuffTheMagic | well we can install it anywhere |
| 06:10.25 | pg13 | rwhitby: its just diff -u originalfile modifiedfile > thisisthepatch.patch |
| 06:10.27 | PuffTheMagic | and just change init= in the boot config |
| 06:10.28 | pg13 | ? |
| 06:10.38 | rwhitby | pg13: yep, running that from / |
| 06:10.44 | pg13 | rwhitby: cool sounds good |
| 06:10.45 | pg13 | =) |
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| 06:18.57 | pg13 | rwhitby: sorry for the stupidity |
| 06:19.08 | pg13 | In root@castle:/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.sprintportal# |
| 06:19.23 | pg13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.43 | pg13 | so in that case is it identical to an appinfo.json, i noticed in there it says "launchPointId": "12022008", |
| 06:20.00 | pg13 | in other words just like hiding nascar can i hide it by doing "visible": "false" |
| 06:21.05 | psykoz | the sprint portal has it self in two locations |
| 06:21.20 | psykoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.47 | pg13 | psykoz: ic |
| 06:21.57 | pg13 | psykoz: so if i put "visible": "false" in Both of those files |
| 06:22.02 | pg13 | it will be hidden? o_O |
| 06:22.03 | psykoz | you'll have to not take that second path literally but basically look for it by hand etc |
| 06:22.14 | psykoz | you just need to do the file in the luna (or launcher?) folder |
| 06:22.20 | psykoz | not the /usr/palm/applications one |
| 06:22.28 | pg13 | oh ok cool |
| 06:22.28 | pg13 | =) |
| 06:23.35 | psykoz | looks like it might be: /usr/luna/launchpoints |
| 06:23.51 | psykoz | I dunno, mine is empty because I just rm'd the sprint portal rather than doign visible false |
| 06:24.22 | pg13 | ooo |
| 06:24.32 | pg13 | pyskoz: you aren't scared for what could happen on OTA? o_O |
| 06:24.36 | pg13 | update* |
| 06:25.13 | psykoz | no |
| 06:25.17 | psykoz | I'm not scared of anything |
| 06:25.23 | pg13 | man i made a successful patch ;o how do i donate this to the repository or is it a useless patch heh |
| 06:26.01 | PuffTheMagic | fixed patch here http://dpaste.com/69391/ |
| 06:26.08 | PuffTheMagic | someone can upload that i guess |
| 06:28.07 | pg13 | :D |
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| 06:38.58 | oc80z | Yikes |
| 06:39.22 | oc80z | cant we link to outside [[image:http: |
| 06:39.22 | oc80z | s |
| 06:40.27 | pg13 | Anyone know if dropbear ssh daemon will affect batery life at all =x |
| 06:44.32 | rwhitby | oc80z: dunno, maybe it's goatse prevention by default |
| 06:45.09 | rwhitby | Rick__: PreChess added to PreWare |
| 06:52.10 | pg13 | This is a specific question to a specific patch so this may be the wrong place -- but what happens if the download times out or fails (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Downloading_From_The_Browser) |
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| 06:56.14 | Rick__ | rwhitby - url? for preware? I'll go edit the precentral post |
| 06:56.20 | Rick__ | we may as well start mentioning it |
| 06:57.06 | rwhitby | Rick__: preware grabs it from the PreCentral thread. |
| 06:57.16 | Rick__ | oc80z - you have to upload the image to the wiki |
| 06:57.28 | Rick__ | we have 'external images' turnd off in mediawiki |
| 06:57.47 | rwhitby | Rick__: that would invoke ouroboros |
| 06:57.55 | Rick__ | oh, really!!! Gosh |
| 06:58.05 | Rick__ | what's the url for preware tho? |
| 06:58.23 | Rick__ | I promise not to cause a time-like-loop |
| 06:58.40 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/ |
| 07:00.21 | Rick__ | k |
| 07:00.37 | Rick__ | so how does it decide to pick up items from precentral? |
| 07:13.09 | Quantum_Mechanic | alright I have no idea how I did it but the files I'm trying to change have become read only. what did I do wrong? went back to using VI have changed it all once, think I figured out where it messed up and can't save |
| 07:15.46 | rawdr_ | are you root? use sudo |
| 07:16.10 | Quantum_Mechanic | connected via USB, pretty sure I used login root |
| 07:16.31 | rawdr_ | what's the terminal say? user@castle: |
| 07:16.40 | rawdr_ | does it say root@castle or another username? |
| 07:16.41 | Quantum_Mechanic | let me see, |
| 07:17.04 | Quantum_Mechanic | yes root@castle |
| 07:17.19 | rawdr_ | is the operating system read/write? type mount and look at the first line |
| 07:17.43 | rwhitby | Rick__: the preware packaging makefile has a SRC url |
| 07:18.20 | rwhitby | Rick__: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/preware/blobs/master/apps/prechess/Makefile is the one for PreChess. |
| 07:18.24 | Quantum_Mechanic | footfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 07:18.30 | rawdr_ | hmmm.... |
| 07:18.51 | rawdr_ | so you vi a file and then it won't let you save your changes? |
| 07:19.00 | Quantum_Mechanic | gonna try it again now |
| 07:19.47 | Quantum_Mechanic | nope can't save it |
| 07:20.16 | rawdr_ | can you create a new file? cp the file to a new filename in the same directory |
| 07:20.18 | destinal | rwhitby: regarding your "rooting" / brick thread on precentral, I would bet dd out to the flash disk would brick a pre by killing bootie which is in flash. you'd need DFU to recover I think |
| 07:20.21 | psykoz | quick question, does dropbear support ssh tunneling? |
| 07:20.59 | rwhitby | psykoz: yep |
| 07:21.18 | destinal | rwhitby: I'm _not_ going to test that theory |
| 07:21.18 | rwhitby | destinal: do we know if the first partition is writeable? |
| 07:21.47 | destinal | I don't know but I would imagine so |
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| 07:22.01 | rwhitby | I guess we can check in the kernel sources |
| 07:22.02 | oc80z | oc80z: dunno, maybe it's goatse prevention by default |
| 07:22.03 | oc80z | haha |
| 07:22.11 | Quantum_Mechanic | can't copy the file |
| 07:22.19 | destinal | rwhitby: you can also do odd things like change serial numbers in there I think |
| 07:22.44 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah, I expect our mates on mobile forums could tell us the answers :-) |
| 07:22.47 | destinal | although the nduid is on a seperate chip I believe |
| 07:23.13 | Quantum_Mechanic | I swear i just need to add a closing </div> and this thing should work |
| 07:23.22 | destinal | a kernel module for misreporting your nduid would be good for the paranoid |
| 07:23.44 | rawdr_ | I don't understand Quantum_Mechanic. what are the file permissions when you do a ls -l? |
| 07:24.31 | Quantum_Mechanic | -rw-r--r-- |
| 07:25.12 | Quantum_Mechanic | that is for the folder /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.soundsandalerts/app/views/soundsalertsconfig/soundsalertsconfig-scene.html |
| 07:25.22 | Quantum_Mechanic | nix the html file |
| 07:27.03 | destinal | ok I guess I should sleep :) night all |
| 07:27.17 | rwhitby | night destinal |
| 07:29.22 | rawdr_ | Dunno Quantum_Mechanic ... try a reboot? |
| 07:30.10 | Quantum_Mechanic | does the "enable developer's console" reset after the phone is reset... |
| 07:30.42 | rawdr_ | no |
| 07:30.45 | Quantum_Mechanic | or is that more or less permanently enabled? |
| 07:30.51 | Quantum_Mechanic | hm |
| 07:30.53 | rawdr_ | It will stay on until you turn it off |
| 07:32.24 | Quantum_Mechanic | didn't see that option to turn it off, just found the site here today... or yesterday now was curious to try something out lol enabling the notification tone selections been messing with this for 3 - 4 hours now |
| 07:32.49 | rawdr_ | You turn it off the same way you turned it on. It's just a switch you flip |
| 07:33.12 | rawdr_ | you mean the konami code thing? |
| 07:33.55 | Quantum_Mechanic | just typed it in again now i remember the switch |
| 07:36.58 | rawdr_ | I'm leaving now, good luck though |
| 07:38.27 | Quantum_Mechanic | kk |
| 07:39.31 | rwhitby | oc80z: I think there is a homebrew wiki page already - what do you intend to put in the one you just created? |
| 07:40.00 | rwhitby | oc80z: see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications |
| 07:41.14 | rwhitby | oc80z: please use the templates on that page and categorise accordingly instead of just moving the disorganisation of the old wiki across to the new one ;-) |
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| 07:44.52 | rwhitby | oc80z: I've removed it from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pages_to_be_Transferred - please choose another :-) |
| 07:45.53 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 09:05.19 | oc80z | ok |
| 09:05.56 | oc80z | yea rw, i selected that one |
| 09:06.04 | oc80z | the homebrew one.. |
| 09:06.08 | oc80z | it was there yesterday :P |
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| 09:15.58 | Decimation | hi guys |
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| 09:32.31 | oc80z | yup |
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| 09:50.04 | oc80z | ,..i think the roam patches are borked? |
| 10:14.10 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.37 | oc80z | cat *.pub | pdcopy |
| 10:14.41 | oc80z | oops |
| 10:14.43 | oc80z | yo rw |
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| 11:31.55 | rwhitby | oc80z: yeah, sorry about that - that one shouldn't have been on the list cause it's not a straight transfer. |
| 11:37.49 | gordian | hey rwhitby |
| 11:38.12 | gordian | any solutions present themselves since last night? |
| 11:45.07 | rwhitby | gordian: let me push the latest version of the script |
| 11:46.11 | rwhitby | gordian: grab the new versions of both the optware and the quilt scripts now, and as long as you have a /dev/hdb before running them they should complete successfully. |
| 11:47.00 | rwhitby | pastebin if you get anything other than all lines showing OK |
| 11:51.56 | en0x | ok after almost two weeks of vacation time to get to work :) |
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| 11:56.18 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 11:58.52 | jcrawford | morning |
| 11:59.00 | jcrawford | hah i found a bug with the messaging-forwarding patch |
| 11:59.23 | Lacutis | 0o |
| 11:59.31 | jcrawford | you cannot play any mp3 audi that is sent to you because everytime you click it, it wants to forward. Also when you do forward the media is not sent along with the message :( |
| 11:59.36 | jcrawford | have to take that patch off for now |
| 12:01.31 | Lacutis | ouch |
| 12:01.49 | Lacutis | Ford motor is now #1 in quality among car makers |
| 12:01.52 | Lacutis | wow |
| 12:02.23 | jcrawford | they cfall ford quality? |
| 12:02.26 | jcrawford | shakes head |
| 12:02.46 | Lacutis | it had the least amount of problems vs all other car makers |
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| 12:15.57 | gordian | rwhitby still use the -x switch? |
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| 13:26.10 | mark__ | I asked this last night, but I'm still lost |
| 13:26.19 | mark__ | how can I flash my pre? |
| 13:26.50 | mark__ | I have my own webOS.jar file I want to upload to it, not one that the java applet wants to download |
| 13:26.52 | Templarian | mark__: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 13:27.03 | Templarian | oh nvm. |
| 13:27.26 | Templarian | (it's probably on the site though) |
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| 13:29.22 | mark__ | nah, only find the same info as I was previously pointed to |
| 13:29.56 | mark__ | that site on Palm just wants to re-download the 200 MB file, then upload that |
| 13:30.08 | mark__ | I want a manual process where I choose what to upload to phone |
| 13:31.55 | mark__ | or does it ask me after it has fully downloaded the file? |
| 13:32.36 | Templarian | No, all that file will do is restore the phone to factory settings (with the latest firmware). |
| 13:33.06 | mark__ | where can I find a program to do it manually? |
| 13:33.29 | mark__ | I'm a little versed in linux, so don't have problem doing cmd line if I have to |
| 13:33.56 | mark__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.05 | Templarian | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page_beta Comments /Suggestions on the new Main Page of the wiki. |
| 13:35.56 | rwhitby | Templarian: how do the current and beta main pages look on the Pre? |
| 13:36.14 | Templarian | let me check. |
| 13:36.14 | rwhitby | A webos-internals site has to be readable on the device itself. |
| 13:36.49 | Templarian | You could check for your self... ohhh... yea. (hehe) |
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| 13:37.47 | Templarian | Actually with the emulator but then the jokes not funny. |
| 13:40.13 | Templarian | Views good on my device. Still a few changes needed. |
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| 13:41.04 | rwhitby | if the icons on the beta page take you to the portals instead of the image, then it works for me |
| 13:41.24 | Templarian | Yea, I noticed that I'm about to fix it. |
| 13:41.37 | Templarian | (they actually won't link anywhere.) |
| 13:42.23 | mark__ | or should I be asking these questions at #webos? |
| 13:42.34 | rwhitby | Patches_to_webOS and Source_Patches are duplicates |
| 13:42.42 | rwhitby | need to merge those into one |
| 13:42.56 | rwhitby | (one is on current main page, one is on beta) |
| 13:42.57 | mark__ | I'm trying to follow this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bypassing_Activation |
| 13:43.13 | mark__ | I'mve done with all the rest, but can't find a way to now flash phone |
| 13:43.50 | rwhitby | mark__: no-one currently here has done it. you need to speak to pEEF or Ajax. |
| 13:44.13 | mark__ | hm.. and how can I get a hold of them? |
| 13:44.40 | rwhitby | dunno. perhaps send a PM to them on the old wiki site. |
| 13:45.13 | rwhitby | (another reason for email verification of accounts on the new site) |
| 13:45.32 | mark__ | n where is the old wiki? |
| 13:47.01 | rwhitby | bbt |
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| 13:48.31 | destinal | mark__: If you're in linux you can reflash with the webos doctor, you just need to install the linux sdk an novacomd, and then download the doctor jar and run it with java -jar ... |
| 13:48.38 | PuffTheMagic | morning |
| 13:49.03 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: good morning |
| 13:49.23 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: keep an eye on the applications.git repository. interesting things starting |
| 13:49.28 | mark__ | but that doctor only wants to flash with original right, or can I specify my own file |
| 13:49.49 | destinal | mark__: well modify the jar, rebuild it with the new nova image |
| 13:49.51 | destinal | then run it |
| 13:50.22 | mark__ | Oh, alright.. thanks. . will look into that then |
| 13:50.23 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: anyting new besides catching mojo events? |
| 13:50.50 | PuffTheMagic | has anyone got custom methods calls working? |
| 13:51.02 | destinal | yes arbitrary js methods |
| 13:53.56 | destinal | off to work, have fun |
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| 14:07.35 | PuffTheMagic | i am moving that onwhenconnected patch into its own little swiss army knive app |
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| 14:07.52 | PuffTheMagic | that way its not touching pre files and I dont have to edit it every webos update |
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| 14:37.53 | uncorq | btw guys in case no one has said it - thanks for offering this channel and the wiki, learned a lot already just from reading thru the irc logs. |
| 14:38.13 | Rick_ | welcome |
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| 14:38.19 | Rick_ | pay it forward. |
| 14:38.21 | Rick_ | edit the wiki |
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| 14:43.12 | PuffTheMagic | nice! dev mode can be enabled/disabled with luna-send |
| 14:43.17 | PuffTheMagic | writes gui for it |
| 14:45.07 | drnull | jcrawford: re not playing a sound if one is playing: try luna-send -n 100 palm://com.palm.mediaevents/playingStatus '{subscribe:true}', I think it will send you a response.isPlaying set to true or false. Maybe that will apply to notifications as well, I have no idea. |
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| 14:45.34 | PuffTheMagic | drnull: you are the dbus master huh |
| 14:45.47 | PuffTheMagic | what are you using to find all this out? |
| 14:45.49 | drnull | nah, I was just looking around for my own purposes and stumbled upon that. :) |
| 14:45.54 | drnull | use the source, luke |
| 14:46.07 | PuffTheMagic | oh so no introspection? |
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| 14:46.21 | drnull | nope, just reading through streamingmediaplayer and looking at palmInitMedia.js |
| 14:46.37 | PuffTheMagic | drnull: i am going to make a little swiss army app for useful luna comamnd and what not |
| 14:46.47 | PuffTheMagic | that can be manipulated in mojo |
| 14:46.48 | drnull | Did you find your luna-send for enable/disable in the devmode-switcher app? |
| 14:46.53 | PuffTheMagic | so if you find anything cool |
| 14:46.56 | PuffTheMagic | yeah i found it |
| 14:47.27 | PuffTheMagic | luna-send -i palm://com.palm.connectionmanager/setnovacommode '{"isEnabled":true}' |
| 14:47.34 | PuffTheMagic | luna-send -i palm://com.palm.power/shutdown/machineReboot '{"reason":"User initiated/DevModeSwitcher"}' |
| 14:47.47 | drnull | hehe, nice. :) |
| 14:48.14 | PuffTheMagic | so i am gonna move the power on option and the dev mode into this one app so i dont touch the screenlock app any more |
| 14:48.20 | PuffTheMagic | let me know if u get new stuff |
| 14:48.29 | drnull | tragically, dev mode has to be enabled already for novacomm to work, otherwise that would be a great way to turn it on via novaterm. |
| 14:48.47 | drnull | it'd be kinda nice to leave it in screenlock as well. *shrugs* |
| 14:48.48 | PuffTheMagic | well yes but i turn it on and off alot now |
| 14:48.54 | PuffTheMagic | and i hate typing in that password |
| 14:49.18 | PuffTheMagic | drnull: i just thinking touching palm apps is gonna make maintaining them a pain |
| 14:49.20 | drnull | agreed. It's also in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher |
| 14:50.26 | PuffTheMagic | ha... idk how I missed that there |
| 14:51.11 | PuffTheMagic | has anyone made a mod to make the led's blink when there are notifications? |
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| 14:52.10 | drnull | I swear there used to be a wiki page that talked about setting visible to true in appinfo.json to enable that application, can't find it now... |
| 14:52.26 | drnull | I've seen mention of that mod, but I think it only blinked once. |
| 14:52.31 | PuffTheMagic | i heard about it |
| 14:52.50 | en0x | it was based on bash scripts |
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| 14:53.21 | PuffTheMagic | well for the sake of not touching palm apps im gonna add it to another app |
| 14:53.27 | PuffTheMagic | even if its sorta redundant |
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| 15:32.12 | en0x | hey |
| 15:32.32 | en0x | i want to help moving pages from old wiki to new one can I get some access on old wiki so I can use edit button? |
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| 15:34.22 | summatusmentis | ka6sox also has access, I beleive |
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| 15:39.50 | tehnoir | Hang on, en0x. |
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| 15:44.00 | en0x | tehnoir: kk |
| 15:44.04 | en0x | no rush |
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| 16:00.25 | CIA-36 | bzhou * r10479 optware/trunk/make/tshark.mk: tshark: stage and depend on c-ares |
| 16:01.02 | tehnoir | notepad++ keeps crashing so I'm converting a page from the browser. |
| 16:01.05 | tehnoir | Not recommended. |
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| 16:05.33 | jwm | is anyone working on an ssh client for webos? |
| 16:05.39 | jwm | or even terminal |
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| 16:10.06 | jcrawford | jwm: i hope so :) |
| 16:10.08 | jcrawford | i want one heh |
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| 16:14.40 | Templarian | ultraMobile: lol you okay there? |
| 16:15.07 | ultraBlack | Templarian: That was the last restart I think :P Stupid xchat wants me to restart it for every pref change to take effect |
| 16:15.24 | ultraBlack | Sorry for the join leave spam, room! |
| 16:20.56 | jwm | heh |
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| 16:43.36 | ertyuiy765 | where can I find novacom? I'm in linux. I have the webOS.jar unzipped, found the NovacomInstaller.pkg.tar.gz, untarred, but find only postinstall and postupgrade scripts |
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| 16:45.06 | PuffTheMagic | novacomd |
| 16:45.09 | PuffTheMagic | oops |
| 16:45.30 | PuffTheMagic | there is a link for it on the sdk website |
| 16:45.45 | PuffTheMagic | follow the linux instructions |
| 16:46.33 | destinal | jwm: yes |
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| 16:49.12 | destinal | terminal is being worked on and the beginnings of it are in git. are you interested in helping out? :) |
| 16:49.38 | jwm | yeah I would love to |
| 16:49.39 | destinal | far from functional at this point but events and javascript function calls between native code and plugins exist |
| 16:49.57 | jwm | well, we're starting a team and would like to make money from some venture |
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| 16:50.45 | destinal | jwm: you're trying to make money from some venture? |
| 16:50.50 | jwm | hehe |
| 16:50.54 | jwm | smartphone apps |
| 16:50.58 | destinal | ah |
| 16:51.05 | jwm | I've been with nix and computers for 15 years now |
| 16:51.11 | jwm | haven't made a penny off my experience |
| 16:51.20 | jwm | and I'd like to do this full time finally |
| 16:51.22 | jwm | coding/etc |
| 16:51.32 | jwm | not just smartphones but they're a good start |
| 16:51.55 | destinal | well the terminal itself as well as all the webosinternals stuff is open source, but there's probably money to be made in developing apps or services... |
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| 16:52.23 | jwm | actually I'd release our apps opensource too |
| 16:52.42 | jwm | just would like to get them into the app store |
| 16:53.10 | jwm | yeah, I was thinking of a few services in mind |
| 16:53.10 | destinal | interesting, I hadn't considered, but the palm app catalog could be a good way to actually sell OSS software |
| 16:53.30 | jwm | are they going to make for money apps on the store? heh |
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| 16:53.43 | Templarian | Yea. |
| 16:53.47 | jwm | ok good :) |
| 16:54.05 | destinal | anyone buying your app could redistribute it of course but enough people want the convenience of the catalog that they might buy it direct through the official mechanism if it's good |
| 16:54.19 | jwm | definitely |
| 16:54.35 | Templarian | Yea, there are a lot of non tech people that own the device. |
| 16:55.34 | jwm | I'm an opensource guy though heh |
| 16:55.53 | jwm | I know we could make more money if it were closed though |
| 16:55.57 | Templarian | As are most people here. hehe. |
| 16:55.57 | jwm | but come on.. it's javascript |
| 16:55.59 | destinal | yeah, there's the myth that you can't sell open source but the FSF is big on pointing out that you can |
| 16:56.11 | destinal | and a phone app store is a great mechanism for that |
| 16:56.22 | jwm | that's my opinion |
| 16:56.36 | jwm | I've been using free nix since 96 or so |
| 16:56.45 | jwm | started out on freebsd actually heh |
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| 16:57.23 | mikedg | where are the html databases kept |
| 16:57.27 | mikedg | i always forget :( |
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| 16:57.53 | Templarian | Closed source always ends up being better though... lets hope to see some quality things coming out. |
| 16:58.31 | Sargun | Templarian, not always true |
| 16:58.53 | Templarian | Sargun: always was a bad word. Most of the time. |
| 16:59.00 | jwm | is the current terminal code public? |
| 16:59.10 | jwm | is it on github? |
| 16:59.48 | mikedg | oh dur no wonder i couldnt find them |
| 16:59.55 | mikedg | i novatermed to the emu instead of device |
| 17:00.17 | mikedg | i novatermed to the emu instead of device |
| 17:00.49 | destinal | jwm: what we've got is on our git repository, but it's not really a terminal yet |
| 17:01.20 | jwm | ohh, I see on the website |
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| 17:01.30 | PuffTheMagic | the wasted white space all over the pre apps is rediculous |
| 17:01.44 | PuffTheMagic | nothing is indented nicely either |
| 17:01.49 | jwm | hehe |
| 17:01.55 | mikedg | it all looks indented nicely to me |
| 17:01.56 | PuffTheMagic | its like 4 year olds wrote these things |
| 17:02.06 | PuffTheMagic | w/ space not tabs |
| 17:02.17 | jwm | hehe |
| 17:02.22 | mikedg | spaces are better than tabs |
| 17:02.58 | destinal | jwm: I cobbled together an npapi proof of concept plugin called "hello plugin", and mrvc figured out getting the key and pen events across from mojo into the c++ code and some other stuff |
| 17:03.06 | pitcjd01 | Heya guys, just a quick one. |
| 17:03.18 | destinal | err basicplugin rather, hello plugin is the mojo app wrapping it |
| 17:03.26 | pitcjd01 | If I find a patch on the wiki that's plaintext, and not in the quilt patches yet, how do I apply it? |
| 17:03.32 | pitcjd01 | e.g. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmAppMods:screenlock-onWhenConnected |
| 17:03.36 | jwm | destinal: does the pre have touch event processing? |
| 17:03.53 | jwm | I was thinking of running a client/server arch like APE (ape-project.org) |
| 17:04.09 | jwm | destinal: I meant in its javascript code |
| 17:04.19 | jwm | I am part of the developer program I just haven't downloaded the sdk yet |
| 17:04.21 | destinal | jwm: yeah, it's all javascript |
| 17:04.22 | jwm | heh |
| 17:04.30 | jwm | cool |
| 17:04.41 | jwm | I was thinking then just using httprequest events |
| 17:04.49 | jwm | put ape on localhost |
| 17:04.55 | destinal | jwm: in the plugin now we're just taking the mojo event and passing it through via the npruntime stuff into c++ code |
| 17:05.13 | jwm | cool |
| 17:05.34 | jwm | so you want to code most of it in c++ using linux's termlib or something? |
| 17:05.40 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: is there a way to push an app to the phone via eclise |
| 17:05.46 | PuffTheMagic | i know it says there is a run on device option |
| 17:05.49 | PuffTheMagic | but if failed |
| 17:05.55 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: yes, with the eclipse plugin you just "run" |
| 17:05.57 | PuffTheMagic | does this method need a cert ot something |
| 17:06.18 | destinal | do you have novacomd up and running to the point where palm-install works? |
| 17:06.20 | PuffTheMagic | hmm gues now |
| 17:06.25 | PuffTheMagic | idk it worked the second time |
| 17:06.29 | PuffTheMagic | first time there was an error |
| 17:07.09 | destinal | jwm: possibly, I have no experience writing a linux terminal. |
| 17:07.51 | jwm | I was going to code it in javascript and just send back/forth events to ape to the real terminal hehe |
| 17:08.05 | jwm | I think that would be better than just an ssh client |
| 17:08.10 | jwm | because you could do lots of other apps |
| 17:08.59 | destinal | well you would want to use dbus to a "service" or npapi / npruntime to a "plugin" if you want to talk to local components, not xmlhttprequest |
| 17:09.00 | jwm | I'd also like to be able to set the background to an image and do font shadows :) |
| 17:09.20 | destinal | generally we don't want to run a web server on the pre |
| 17:09.23 | PuffTheMagic | a dbus term would be easy |
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| 17:09.40 | PuffTheMagic | avoid the whole plugin layer |
| 17:09.43 | jwm | have you seen the ape server? |
| 17:09.48 | destinal | jwm: no |
| 17:09.51 | jwm | it's extremely light |
| 17:10.15 | destinal | still, when we have a perfectly good bus, why http-ize things? |
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| 17:10.35 | jwm | so you can code everything in javascript :) |
| 17:10.42 | destinal | you still can |
| 17:10.54 | destinal | mojo is all javascript |
| 17:11.43 | destinal | I suggest digging in a bit to see how webos is architected |
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| 17:12.34 | Templarian1 | Did internals ever have the idea of making an internals version of mojo? |
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| 17:13.00 | destinal | but basically stuff that reaches outside javascript, rather than ajax, uses dbus calls, there are javascript mechanisms to call exposed service methods and subscribe to response data |
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| 17:13.44 | destinal | the local on-phone service can be written in any language so long as it communicates on the dbus properly |
| 17:14.04 | destinal | but all the client side js stuff would still be client side js, just the same as if it were ajax |
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| 17:14.17 | destinal | that would be mojo code |
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| 17:20.01 | jwm | yeah, I just want to use the same bus/ipc system as our other apps |
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| 17:23.39 | destinal | Templarian1: yeah there was that idea floated |
| 17:24.01 | destinal | Templarian1: it's obviously very non-trivial :) |
| 17:24.11 | Zuchmir2 | i've noticed Classic does the following: sampleAdapterApp.SndCtrl(), i'm guessing it's calling into the plugn, my question is, how do i expose a "function" and/or variable from a plugin so that it's visible from JS? |
| 17:24.50 | destinal | Zuchmir2: check the git repository for basicplugin and the mojo app org.webosinternals.helloplugin for examples |
| 17:25.04 | destinal | http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications |
| 17:25.41 | destinal | it's just npruntime but it's easier to read code than the API docs IMO |
| 17:26.19 | tmzt | scripting api is the same? |
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| 17:26.31 | Zuchmir2 | i've dowloaded that, and made alot of mods to that, but can't find where to expose additional functions from the plugin |
| 17:26.37 | destinal | tmzt: yeah, pull git to see what I mean |
| 17:27.17 | destinal | right now it's taking pen events from the touchscreen and invoking exposed functions of the plugin to deliver them |
| 17:27.30 | destinal | the plugin then draws them |
| 17:27.36 | destinal | ie a dot at that x, y |
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| 17:28.34 | tmzt | ok |
| 17:28.49 | tmzt | so not plugin events yet? they didn't work? |
| 17:29.35 | destinal | tmzt: only some events actually seem to be delivered by luna. look at classic and you'll see it does much the same as we are |
| 17:31.14 | jwm | anyone know of someone making an on screen keyboard? |
| 17:31.15 | jwm | hehe |
| 17:31.17 | destinal | despite the fact that a lot more event types seem to be defined, we never get them |
| 17:31.23 | Zuchmir2 | my question is, i want my plugin to dictate the height of the object, at the moment it's being dictated by helloplugin-assistant.js |
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| 17:31.56 | Zuchmir2 | helloPluginApp.height = x, i want that to be variable |
| 17:32.30 | destinal | do you mean the height of the embed or your own custom property? |
| 17:33.19 | destinal | look at Object_SetProperty in basicplugin to see how custom properties work |
| 17:33.20 | Zuchmir2 | the height of the embed |
| 17:33.27 | destinal | the height of the embed is in the mojo |
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| 17:34.52 | destinal | you should be able to set width or height to a value from a variable before replacing the div tag |
| 17:35.16 | destinal | ie ./app/controllers/helloplugin-assistant.js: helloPluginApp.height = 480; |
| 17:35.35 | destinal | just make that a numeric variable instead, I think |
| 17:35.39 | PuffTheMagic | hmm... can only certain apps use palm:// ? |
| 17:35.54 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: no, but only certain apps can use the private bus |
| 17:36.09 | PuffTheMagic | what is on the private bus? |
| 17:36.24 | PuffTheMagic | like how do i know if the method i want to use is on the private bus |
| 17:36.26 | destinal | when you use luna-send it uses the private bus by default |
| 17:36.26 | Zuchmir2 | +destinal: did you mean: NPN_SetProperty? |
| 17:36.34 | destinal | if you use luna-send -P |
| 17:36.40 | destinal | it'll go on the public bus and you can test it |
| 17:36.43 | PuffTheMagic | oh... |
| 17:38.32 | PuffTheMagic | do you know how to get on the private bus? |
| 17:38.37 | destinal | only apps with a namespace in com.palm.* have their messages sent on the private bus |
| 17:39.19 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 17:39.19 | destinal | until we figure out what makes a namespace special (and hopefully it's not just hard-coded) it seems you have change your namespace to com.palm.foo |
| 17:39.19 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 17:39.19 | Zuchmir2 | i want myPlugin to calculate the height, and tell the JS what to use there |
| 17:39.19 | destinal | :( |
| 17:39.20 | PuffTheMagic | thats in /etc/dbus-1/ |
| 17:39.20 | PuffTheMagic | easy to change |
| 17:39.20 | PuffTheMagic | i think |
| 17:39.21 | PuffTheMagic | let me check |
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| 17:39.21 | destinal | ok that would be good |
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| 17:39.27 | jcrawford | yea |
| 17:39.47 | jcrawford | wb all :) |
| 17:39.47 | jcrawford | wb all :) |
| 17:39.48 | jcrawford | can anyone contribute to Mojo or is that closed to public contributions? |
| 17:39.48 | destinal | Zuchmir2: you can't make the plugin calculate the height of its embed afaik because it's not instantiated when you define it. It may be possible to have it change while a plugin is running but I have no idea |
| 17:40.01 | destinal | jcrawford: closed |
| 17:40.30 | destinal | I would try making a plugin and then changing its height in javascript to see if that even works |
| 17:40.49 | destinal | if it does you could communicate between the js and the plugin to get its desired value and set it I imagine |
| 17:41.00 | PuffTheMagic | hmm nothing good in /etc/dbus-1 |
| 17:41.03 | destinal | don't know if the plugin can access that property directly |
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| 17:42.17 | destinal | lunch & bbl |
| 17:43.22 | jcrawford | shit so you cannot even see the source? |
| 17:45.18 | PuffTheMagic | do NOT egrep -r on / on the pre |
| 17:45.23 | PuffTheMagic | it does NOT like it |
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| 17:47.01 | Zuchmir2 | +destinal: i've already done that, drawEvent->srcTop / drawEvent->srcBottom indicate "where" in the "plugin-page" the user is viewing |
| 17:47.31 | tmzt | what does src mean then? |
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| 17:48.21 | Zuchmir2 | also, in NPP_SetWindow(), window->width / window->height |
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| 17:49.30 | Zuchmir2 | src = source (say for example the plugin displays an BMP, the BMP is the SRC, and the srcTop = which line in the BMP to start from |
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| 17:51.11 | Rick_ | jcrawford no |
| 17:51.13 | Rick_ | well |
| 17:51.16 | Rick_ | not all of it |
| 17:51.18 | Rick_ | parts |
| 17:51.25 | Rick_ | and since LOTS is java |
| 17:51.31 | Rick_ | and lots and lots is javascript |
| 17:51.34 | Rick_ | you can see all that. |
| 17:51.37 | Rick_ | but .... |
| 17:52.12 | jcrawford | but... |
| 17:52.26 | Rick_ | but it's closed. |
| 17:52.29 | jcrawford | i was just wondering because if it were open i am sure there would be many more widgets to use |
| 17:52.42 | Rick_ | which is why people like des are reverse engineering the plugins. |
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| 17:52.55 | jcrawford | one such that i want developed is a checkbox in a list so that when you are in mail/contacts you can select multiple and delete them all at once |
| 17:53.14 | Rick_ | jcrawford there's nothing that prevents you from doing that... |
| 17:53.26 | Rick_ | aamof, checkboxes in lists aresupported. |
| 17:53.39 | jcrawford | Rick_: oh i thought a new widget would have to be created since they did not do it in their own apps |
| 17:53.45 | Rick_ | but writing widgets isn't that hard.... |
| 17:53.51 | jcrawford | they really need to push app updates and get all those fixed lol |
| 17:54.04 | jcrawford | aamof? |
| 17:54.06 | Rick_ | The source code for the widgits is mostly javascript and mostly available in the foundation classes. |
| 17:54.55 | mikedg | anything can be shoved into a list |
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| 17:55.24 | mikedg | i havent been able to understand how to use widgets in a list yet though so :/ |
| 17:55.25 | Zuchmir2 | if the plugin could communicate/set the height, the plugin can resize to size of BMP |
| 17:55.30 | mikedg | its definately possible though |
| 17:55.32 | Rick_ | WHOO HOOO!!! |
| 17:55.40 | Rick_ | my crappy chess program hit the front page of precentral |
| 17:55.53 | mikedg | rick: nice |
| 17:55.55 | mikedg | congrats |
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| 17:56.55 | jcrawford | checks |
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| 18:02.19 | Dotel_Center | hallo |
| 18:03.00 | PhrkOnLsh | ohaithar |
| 18:03.39 | Rick_ | hello |
| 18:03.42 | Rick_ | welcome |
| 18:03.44 | mikedg | hi |
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| 18:04.56 | Dotel_Center | nice friendly texts here |
| 18:05.39 | Rick_ | what'sup? |
| 18:05.53 | Dotel_Center | just joining the party |
| 18:06.13 | Dotel_Center | Figured this is where I belong |
| 18:06.14 | Dotel_Center | ;) |
| 18:06.16 | jcrawford | brb |
| 18:06.41 | Rick_ | have you been working on the Pre? what are you interested in? |
| 18:06.50 | Rick_ | any special knowledge we can grab? |
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| 18:08.13 | Dotel_Center | mostly disecting it right now, small changes here and there. |
| 18:08.20 | Dotel_Center | Been diving into the kernel |
| 18:08.36 | Dotel_Center | I think they can do a much better job stream lining it |
| 18:08.49 | tmzt | sure |
| 18:08.52 | tmzt | what have you found? |
| 18:09.18 | PuffTheMagic | Dotel_Center: yeah the kernel is half-baked |
| 18:09.21 | Dotel_Center | not alot, havn't had the time, except for alot of support for things I don't think will ever be used |
| 18:09.32 | tmzt | like? |
| 18:09.34 | PuffTheMagic | Dotel_Center: that dont matter too much |
| 18:09.45 | PuffTheMagic | we are talking about a few kb extra mem |
| 18:09.45 | Dotel_Center | looks like they branched from the vanilla kernel, and only tweaked it slightly |
| 18:10.01 | PuffTheMagic | its 2.6.24 with omap v3 support patched in |
| 18:10.10 | PuffTheMagic | which i think is in upstream already |
| 18:10.19 | Dotel_Center | brb |
| 18:11.05 | tmzt | yeah |
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| 18:14.47 | geist | yeah, we didn't get enough time to polish it off |
| 18:15.04 | geist | it was based on the at then current omap patch set |
| 18:15.14 | geist | unforunately the community seems to have gone i a different direction since then |
| 18:15.34 | geist | at some point we got so tired of dealing with the deltas that we just branched the mach-omap3 directory into mach-omap3pe |
| 18:15.37 | geist | etc |
| 18:15.48 | geist | we're having to deal with that now, get it all cleaned up |
| 18:15.51 | PuffTheMagic | geist: are you a palm dev |
| 18:15.57 | geist | yes, kernel team |
| 18:15.59 | PuffTheMagic | is there a git repo for this? |
| 18:16.02 | geist | no |
| 18:16.04 | PuffTheMagic | :/ |
| 18:16.18 | geist | stay tuned though, that will change |
| 18:16.25 | PuffTheMagic | good |
| 18:16.30 | Rick_ | Really! Good news! |
| 18:16.40 | geist | you make certain concessions for 1.0, get it out the door, etc |
| 18:16.47 | PuffTheMagic | right... |
| 18:16.48 | Rick_ | true enough. |
| 18:16.59 | Rick_ | 1.1 is a BIG improvement in so many ways. |
| 18:17.06 | Rick_ | anxious to get it on my PHONE.... |
| 18:17.43 | tmzt | is there a list? |
| 18:17.48 | tmzt | of changes |
| 18:20.06 | Rick_ | so geist, are you going to re-merge with the omap main line, or going to keep off on your own? |
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| 18:31.17 | jwm | does virtualbox 3.x work with the sdk? |
| 18:31.26 | PuffTheMagic | yup |
| 18:31.30 | jwm | cool |
| 18:31.43 | jwm | do I need the pre connected to the computer that runs the sdk? |
| 18:31.51 | PuffTheMagic | drnull: you come up with anything new luna-send wise |
| 18:31.57 | jwm | or could I run the software on say a linux server |
| 18:31.59 | PuffTheMagic | jwm: no |
| 18:32.11 | jwm | cool |
| 18:32.11 | PuffTheMagic | well... |
| 18:32.11 | Rick_ | jwm --not yet. |
| 18:32.32 | jwm | I was wondering if kvm would work instead of virtualbox |
| 18:32.53 | Rick_ | jwm, there's a product called "palm host" that runs a luna environment on apache, which lets you test and debug luna apps with any webkit browser and not just the emulator. |
| 18:33.07 | Rick_ | But this has not yet been released to the public,although it'smentioned in the docs.... |
| 18:33.24 | Rick_ | spacebar sucks |
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| 18:34.19 | jwm | I'll see if it works with kvm first |
| 18:34.24 | jwm | I'd rather run the emulator on the server |
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| 18:35.23 | jwm | I wish they packaged it as a tgz instead of a deb |
| 18:35.23 | jwm | hehe |
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| 18:36.02 | pitcjd01 | Heya jwm, do you know how to apply patches from a file such as http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmAppMods:screenlock-onWhenConnected ? |
| 18:36.24 | jwm | yeah |
| 18:36.26 | jwm | just use patch |
| 18:36.27 | en0x | you have to copy it to a file |
| 18:36.56 | en0x | --- a/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js |
| 18:36.59 | en0x | +++ b/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js |
| 18:37.05 | en0x | this will bust your patch command |
| 18:37.19 | en0x | remove b before /usr.... |
| 18:37.27 | jwm | just do patch -p1 |
| 18:37.40 | jwm | strips the first dir |
| 18:37.57 | pitcjd01 | Alrighty |
| 18:38.25 | jwm | well |
| 18:38.31 | christefano | I see in the Decrypt SSL (rusted man in the middle technique) how-to that the Pre can be told to trust certain certificates. how is this different than using the Certificate Manager? |
| 18:38.32 | en0x | or youi can do like jwm said :) |
| 18:38.36 | jwm | strips the first slash but in this case there is no slash so first dir hehe |
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| 18:39.20 | en0x | [; |
| 18:40.09 | pitcjd01 | Okay, here's one |
| 18:41.25 | pitcjd01 | If I throw it in /opt/src/modifications, can I push and pop it with quilt with the rest of the patches? |
| 18:41.39 | en0x | idk i don't use quilt |
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| 18:46.31 | hopspitfire | I just made a backup/restore guide for the wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Backing_Up_via_Rsync |
| 18:47.25 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 18:47.30 | PuffTheMagic | nice rsync ftw! |
| 18:47.50 | PuffTheMagic | will one of you guys add my username to gitorious |
| 18:49.11 | FreeTim3 | @jwm can you review the page titled Diff ? I am unsure about the patch section - would welcome your improvements |
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| 18:52.12 | Zuchmir2 | do i need to initialise something to access NPN_Version() ? |
| 18:53.21 | Zuchmir2 | within HandleDrawEvent() i try: NPN_Version(&plugin_major, &plugin_minor, &netscape_major, &netscape_minor); and that causes a reboot |
| 18:57.51 | PuffTheMagic | before I go digging... does anyone know if its possible to manipulate the LEDs in a mojo app |
| 18:58.27 | blau-mikeDG | no |
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| 18:59.05 | PuffTheMagic | blau-mikeDG: was that to me? and no it cant be done or no u dont know |
| 19:01.54 | blau-mikeDG | yes |
| 19:02.00 | Dotel_Center | LOL |
| 19:02.14 | blau-mikeDG | im pretty sure it cant be done |
| 19:02.17 | Dotel_Center | tosses a salmon at blau |
| 19:02.19 | blau-mikeDG | :) |
| 19:02.20 | blau-mikeDG | thru js |
| 19:03.00 | Dotel_Center | I agree with blau, tho I don't think it will be long before we see some kind of platform "shiv" alowing more hardware access via mojo |
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| 19:03.22 | blau-mikeDG | yeah i think we are gonna see some "rooted" apps come out soon |
| 19:03.41 | destinal | anything fun going on? |
| 19:03.51 | blau-mikeDG | im continuing to work on OFX crap |
| 19:04.04 | tmzt | financial? |
| 19:04.08 | blau-mikeDG | and came up with a potentially awesome way to reconcile apps |
| 19:04.10 | blau-mikeDG | tmzt: yeah |
| 19:04.23 | tmzt | for what desktop software? |
| 19:04.29 | blau-mikeDG | reconcile transactions i mean |
| 19:04.37 | tmzt | ah |
| 19:04.39 | tmzt | okay |
| 19:04.51 | blau-mikeDG | to pull financial transactions from your banking institutions |
| 19:04.54 | blau-mikeDG | onto the pre |
| 19:04.55 | tmzt | right |
| 19:05.18 | tmzt | you might need a browser plugin/mime type then |
| 19:05.30 | PuffTheMagic | or dbus |
| 19:05.30 | blau-mikeDG | so far its looking good |
| 19:05.34 | tmzt | for some websites |
| 19:05.47 | blau-mikeDG | i got it working for chase on my cc and checking |
| 19:06.00 | tmzt | no, I mean to detect when an ofx/qfx/qif is downloaded |
| 19:06.11 | tmzt | but yeah, you are parsing in javascript? |
| 19:06.22 | blau-mikeDG | it does the ofx download and parsing |
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| 19:07.58 | blau-mikeDG | although for crappy sites, it might be nice to be able to naviagte to the webpage download area and get the file that way |
| 19:09.01 | destinal | so OFX is a one-way thing, just basically an xml doc of your financial transactions? |
| 19:09.13 | tmzt | I can say at least key works like that |
| 19:09.16 | FreeTim3 | blau : Just asking, but I'd be concerned about PCI compliance... is it all secure including the logon and 128-bit & on SSL3 or better along the transaction? |
| 19:09.20 | blau-mikeDG | it's two way but i dont think many insitutions let you send stuff |
| 19:09.30 | tmzt | and has limited time ranges, and less than useful filenames |
| 19:09.35 | tmzt | (like account.ofx) |
| 19:09.40 | destinal | FreeTim3: that is up to the service provider / bank |
| 19:09.50 | blau-mikeDG | most of it's over https |
| 19:09.53 | destinal | he's just working on a client |
| 19:10.04 | tmzt | SSL3 is TLS1 isn't it? |
| 19:10.07 | blau-mikeDG | my only concern would be storing the passwords if the user wants to do that |
| 19:10.08 | FreeTim3 | right, but the client also can't save data unencrypted, is my understanding |
| 19:10.21 | FreeTim3 | TLS1 is better than SSL3... both are better than SSL2 |
| 19:10.23 | destinal | tmzt: no, TLS what could be considered SSL4 |
| 19:10.53 | tmzt | huh, I thought netscape refered to it as ssl3 in places |
| 19:11.09 | destinal | tmzt: there's a seperate sslv3 |
| 19:11.38 | tmzt | okay |
| 19:12.00 | FreeTim3 | TLSv3.1 is the actual protocol... they call it TLS1 for short.. And then differently SSL3 is an older one... it's good though.... and then SSL2 is ancient these days and not very secure |
| 19:12.47 | FreeTim3 | Use TLS if you have a choice about it, these days most places support it |
| 19:12.52 | destinal | FreeTim3: it's not the customer's job to be pci compliant, and anyway it's not really pci probably since it's more like a financial statement. it's sensitive data and it might be good to encrypt it on the flash if it's being stored though |
| 19:13.11 | FreeTim3 | or I guess I should say, just don't allow SSL2 :) |
| 19:13.17 | FreeTim3 | @destinal agree with you |
| 19:13.58 | blau-mikeDG | i dont really have to worry about encryption though |
| 19:14.06 | blau-mikeDG | im just going to steal all their info anyway |
| 19:14.13 | destinal | lol |
| 19:14.14 | blau-mikeDG | it doesnt make a difference if someone else gets it too |
| 19:14.23 | destinal | a nice backdoor? |
| 19:15.10 | PuffTheMagic | geist: do you know off hand what the maximum value for the led brightness is? |
| 19:15.57 | PuffTheMagic | i dont want to set it too high |
| 19:15.57 | tmzt | where? |
| 19:15.58 | blau-mikeDG | 1 |
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| 19:16.32 | PuffTheMagic | /sys/bus/i2c/devices/3-0032/leds\:core_navi_center/brightness |
| 19:16.34 | PuffTheMagic | for example |
| 19:16.40 | PuffTheMagic | blau-mikeDG: its not 1 |
| 19:16.44 | PuffTheMagic | its a range |
| 19:16.54 | en0x | 10-15 |
| 19:16.55 | en0x | :P |
| 19:17.10 | tmzt | usally 255, but not alwasys |
| 19:17.10 | en0x | so tomorrow will be webos 1.1? ha? |
| 19:17.21 | PuffTheMagic | i dont need guesses... i can look at the patch and check im just lazy |
| 19:17.34 | blau-mikeDG | 1-2 |
| 19:17.51 | bpadalino|work | puff, i think around 90 to 128 was the top range i was getting ? |
| 19:18.08 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: k |
| 19:18.16 | PuffTheMagic | checks source code anyway |
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| 19:21.30 | Lacutis | haha so i had my palm pre replaced right |
| 19:21.37 | Lacutis | they sent me a brand new one now i got all of it haha |
| 19:21.52 | PuffTheMagic | wow... there is no max set in the kernel code |
| 19:21.59 | PuffTheMagic | thats scary |
| 19:23.02 | bpadalino|work | eh, it's probably fine |
| 19:23.44 | PuffTheMagic | so now time to write a sysctrl plugin |
| 19:24.03 | Lacutis | puff the magic dragon lived by the sea... |
| 19:25.28 | PuffTheMagic | hmmm nm... forget sysctrl is for /proc/sys not /sys |
| 19:26.13 | PuffTheMagic | systool is what i need |
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| 19:28.01 | bpadalino|work | you can't just echo and cat ? |
| 19:28.35 | PuffTheMagic | sure I could echo... but why not use libsysfs :D |
| 19:28.42 | PuffTheMagic | would be more secure woudlnt it |
| 19:28.50 | tmzt | how? |
| 19:28.59 | PuffTheMagic | how what? |
| 19:29.13 | tmzt | how would it be more secure? |
| 19:29.15 | PuffTheMagic | i would have to use some code that executes arbitrary commands |
| 19:29.23 | PuffTheMagic | instead of just making sysfs calls |
| 19:29.32 | PuffTheMagic | which people couldnt abuse as much |
| 19:29.32 | tmzt | open, write |
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| 19:31.18 | PuffTheMagic | or that ... |
| 19:31.30 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
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| 19:33.03 | PuffTheMagic | well im sure there is some reason to use libsysfs or they wouldnt have made it |
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| 19:43.11 | bpadalino|work | http://download.boulder.ibm.com/ibmdl/pub/software/dw/library/os-ltc-kernel/libsysfs-lca-prez.pdf - good overview of why libsysfs exists |
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| 19:47.56 | Joesmith | Whata up yall? |
| 19:49.10 | jwm | hi Joesmith |
| 19:51.07 | PuffTheMagic | just a side note... someone should add .so and .o to the .gitignore file |
| 19:51.18 | PuffTheMagic | there is no reason we need to have binary objects in the repo |
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| 19:56.15 | Lacutis | about time the damn thing updates |
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| 20:00.00 | Bsims | Is there a maximum file size for videos? |
| 20:00.07 | Bsims | See I encoded a video with handbrake using the ipod touch presets and its not playing |
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| 20:02.14 | Templarian | Bsims: how large is it? |
| 20:02.49 | Templarian | Bsims: I used handbrake and have convered quite a few videos usually around 1hour and 30 minutes each. |
| 20:03.25 | Bsims | Just under a gig... 2hrs 20 minutes |
| 20:03.36 | Bsims | this file is just under a gig, and I have a case number with palm but they are being useless <g> |
| 20:03.40 | Bsims | I may retransfer it, maybe it got corrupted |
| 20:03.41 | tmzt | on vfat? |
| 20:03.46 | tmzt | proably 2gb |
| 20:03.56 | tmzt | or is that still true with fat32? |
| 20:03.58 | Bsims | tmzt: shows as 900meg on the pre |
| 20:04.03 | Templarian | Bsims: make sure you encoded it correctly. |
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| 20:04.21 | Bsims | Templarian: I used handbrake with ipod touch preset |
| 20:04.22 | Templarian | I encoded mine in h.264 at 480x320. |
| 20:04.26 | Finder | Hey all, was just curious if there is a way to launch a shell directly on the device without usb after accessing linux? |
| 20:04.40 | Templarian | Bsims: use a small video file and test it. |
| 20:04.46 | tmzt | Finder: not yet, except the ajax shells |
| 20:04.53 | Finder | ok, thanks |
| 20:05.01 | Bsims | Ahh that could be I forced the 480 and let it maintain aspect ratio rather than forcing it to 480x320 |
| 20:05.34 | Templarian | Bsims: it can't be more than 320... there is a limit of 480x320 for the device. |
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| 20:05.59 | Bsims | I was hoping it would scale |
| 20:06.12 | Templarian | Bsims: force both to a fixed width and height... scaled good for my widescreens. |
| 20:06.25 | Templarian | Bsims: it won't scale it I think. |
| 20:06.36 | Templarian | s/it/the pre/ |
| 20:06.42 | Bsims | nods |
| 20:07.01 | Bsims | I'd really love to have ssh client or even better sftp over wireless <g> |
| 20:07.14 | Bsims | Or at least a file browser on this thing |
| 20:07.43 | Templarian | Bsims: thats what I do lol. |
| 20:07.54 | Templarian | Bsims: I store them and watch them over wifi usually. |
| 20:09.01 | Bsims | I am talking for transfer on the go |
| 20:09.07 | Templarian | It will stream perfectly at 480x320 for a 550mb 1h and 30min movie over 3g (if you don't care about taking a hit to your data for the month) |
| 20:12.08 | Bsims | Heh I can't wait till we get some more apps on this thing |
| 20:13.08 | Templarian | Bsims: you know there are a lot apps avalible to devs right? |
| 20:13.25 | Bsims | Hrm I may have to sign up |
| 20:13.34 | Bsims | anything really compelling so far? |
| 20:13.51 | Bsims | I know I am still on the sprint developer network |
| 20:13.54 | Templarian | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications (it's still be converted) |
| 20:14.15 | Templarian | Theres a few nice games. |
| 20:15.06 | Templarian | Nothing to amazing yet, just small remakes of other games. The real games will come later. |
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| 20:17.07 | Bsims | nods any rumors on when the next update comes out? |
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| 20:19.47 | hopspitfire | Bsims: is it difficult to get access to the Sprint Dev network? |
| 20:19.50 | Templarian | Bsims: "soon", no one knows now that the nda is lifted everyone just has rumors. |
| 20:20.39 | Templarian | Bsims: no need to duplicate all questions to each channel lol. |
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| 20:21.45 | Bsims | hopspitfire: not really, you just give them your email address |
| 20:22.07 | Bsims | hopspitfire: I know I had developer root on my old fusic... |
| 20:22.31 | Bsims | Hell, sprint gave me the password over the phone, even before I was on the deveoper network |
| 20:22.36 | raeb | here's a question |
| 20:22.51 | raeb | why do i want /opt on a lo device in /media/internal, rather than /var/opt ? |
| 20:23.35 | Bsims | hopspitfire: https://developer.sprint.com/ssl/user/RegisterUser.jsp |
| 20:24.06 | hopspitfire | raeb: You'll have major problems when connecting via USB since the device is supposed to unmount /media/internal |
| 20:24.26 | hopspitfire | Bsims: Thanks |
| 20:25.17 | Bsims | hopspitfire: see I signed up because I wanted to use mobile gmaps, and I needed to run unsigned aplications |
| 20:25.17 | hopspitfire | raeb: I'm not completely sure though |
| 20:25.40 | Bsims | /var/ is for stuff like system logs |
| 20:26.12 | Bsims | its stuff that lasts longer than a reboot but changes often... at least on a regular linux box |
| 20:26.47 | Bsims | http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/ |
| 20:27.40 | hopspitfire | Bsims: Ah that makes sense. Does Sprint have documentation for the Pre on the dev site? |
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| 20:28.46 | Bsims | dunno not looked there in ages |
| 20:29.41 | raeb | hmm |
| 20:31.46 | Bsims | Nope nothing on the pre |
| 20:32.48 | hopspitfire | Bsims: that's no fun :/ |
| 20:33.14 | Bsims | hehe I know |
| 20:33.53 | Bsims | ya don't need to be registered to see the specs and such |
| 20:34.21 | hopspitfire | I registered anyway, I'm poking around |
| 20:34.58 | Bsims | bingo found it |
| 20:35.14 | Bsims | Camera Details |
| 20:35.14 | Bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.14 | Bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.14 | Bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.14 | Bsims | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.29 | raeb | woot |
| 20:35.45 | Bsims | and according to sprint it supports java j2me |
| 20:35.51 | raeb | its not a bad camera |
| 20:35.56 | Bsims | but we've not seen any thing on it |
| 20:35.59 | raeb | i took a photo of my sushi the other day, looked pretty good |
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| 20:36.56 | hopspitfire | A cell phone camera with optical zoom would be incredible |
| 20:36.56 | hopspitfire | # Optical Zoom: No |
| 20:36.57 | hopspitfire | # Auto Focus: No |
| 20:38.12 | Bsims | ya know I've never tried installing a j2me app on the pre... |
| 20:38.37 | Bsims | Software |
| 20:38.37 | Bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.37 | Bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.20 | jwm | it sucks how much crap you have to install for the sdk to run |
| 20:41.21 | jwm | hehe |
| 20:41.47 | sparkymarkd | tell me about it.. It took me almost an hour to get the sdk working in my windoz |
| 20:41.57 | Finder | I'm getting Error claiming interface 1: -16 when trying to run novacom...any ideas? |
| 20:42.21 | raeb | novacomd running? |
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| 20:42.35 | raeb | or novacom service, if in windows |
| 20:43.12 | Finder | yes it is |
| 20:43.23 | Finder | Palm's novacomd, right? |
| 20:43.27 | raeb | yeh |
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| 20:46.29 | Bsims | Hrm dumb question I know you can't download on a non hacked pre... anyone try to install midpssh.jar? |
| 20:46.47 | sparkymarkd | I did all the work in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bypassing_Activation, now I want to upload/flash that file, but having the hardest time figuring out how to do it |
| 20:47.00 | sparkymarkd | I got the SDK install, where do I go from there? |
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| 20:57.22 | jwm | hmm |
| 21:00.02 | jwm | anyone done the palm profile thing inside the vm? |
| 21:00.03 | jwm | hehe |
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| 21:19.30 | Zuchmir2 | i have a highly modified basicplugin, is there somewhere to upload it? |
| 21:22.15 | bhuey | folks |
| 21:22.23 | destinal | Zuchmir2: how modified? modified enough to require its own separate project or just enhancements along the demonstration plugin theme? |
| 21:22.26 | bhuey | loves it that the homegrown community is so active |
| 21:22.52 | destinal | jwm: odd, the silence. |
| 21:23.11 | psykoz | but but but |
| 21:23.17 | destinal | I've never tried setting up a profile in the emulator, wasn't sure you could |
| 21:23.20 | psykoz | pre's are being returned 33% of the time! |
| 21:23.25 | psykoz | and 40% of them have manufacturing defects! |
| 21:23.33 | psykoz | and there's only 678 really hardcore/true fans! |
| 21:23.35 | psykoz | ;) |
| 21:24.05 | destinal | Zuchmir2: either way we can host it on the git repo |
| 21:25.32 | Zuchmir2 | +destinal: added "color" and "Scrolling", and resizing from within the plugin (currently it's hardcoded - proof of concept) |
| 21:25.36 | Zuchmir2 | +destinal: ok, i will clean it up, and then deal w/it |
| 21:27.09 | Zuchmir2 | also compiles with cross-compiler |
| 21:27.33 | destinal | Zuchmir2: excellent. /msg'd |
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| 21:29.45 | jwm | destinal: it worked and it even emailed me hehe |
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| 21:32.55 | destinal | jwm: ah, ok, cool |
| 21:33.24 | destinal | jwm: did you just run firstuse? |
| 21:33.36 | destinal | or add it in one of the apps? |
| 21:36.39 | jwm | yeah, just firstuse |
| 21:36.51 | jwm | I couldn't figure out how to get out of it so I had to go ahead with it hehe |
| 21:40.01 | destinal | you could hit escape and toss the card I think, but maybe not |
| 21:40.57 | jwm | not with that one |
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| 21:49.12 | gordian | yyyyyyyyyyyo |
| 21:49.49 | gordian | anyone about? |
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| 21:53.53 | Administrator_ | rwhitby, I added instructions for devs when posting their apps at precentral per your request |
| 21:54.08 | Administrator_ | oops |
| 21:54.17 | DarthPooh | sorry |
| 21:55.52 | rwhitby | DarthPooh: thx |
| 21:56.42 | DarthPooh | rwhitby, np, shoulda been done from the beginning, I am not sure how many devs will go back and edit, but at least going forward we can enforce it more closely. |
| 21:58.37 | DarthPooh | also I attempted to clear up the NRR, RR, rooting issue, but yano how things get started. |
| 21:58.51 | CIA-79 | bzhou * r10481 optware/trunk/make/9base.mk: 9base: corrected download |
| 21:59.18 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: Re: org.webosinternals vs org.webos-internals - java conventions don't allow hyphens in those names |
| 21:59.25 | PullingJ_ | DarthPooh: line 3 seems to have some extra negatives in it. either way it's not clear what is required "now" |
| 21:59.33 | DarthPooh | I was wondering, should I install any of the overclock patches found in the quilt package? |
| 21:59.39 | DarthPooh | thanks, I will correct. |
| 21:59.40 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: Re: org.webosinternals vs org.webos-internals - we also now have org.preware.* for apps that have been submitted to preware |
| 22:00.56 | PullingJ_ | and somewhere instructions on how to install applications when you have command line access |
| 22:01.32 | gordian | hey rwhitby |
| 22:01.47 | gordian | i ran those scripts this morning |
| 22:01.50 | gordian | all error free |
| 22:01.54 | gordian | thanks for changing them |
| 22:02.22 | rwhitby | gordian: cool, thanks for letting me know. how's the wiki page going? |
| 22:02.35 | gordian | umm |
| 22:02.42 | gordian | well you mooted the issue, i thought |
| 22:02.52 | PullingJ_ | hey, i was browsing the new wiki, and a lot of links were broken because it was trying to take me to the "edit" page |
| 22:03.01 | gordian | shall i still create one detailing the steps to create a virtual drive? |
| 22:03.11 | gordian | i can do that, no problemo |
| 22:03.38 | PullingJ_ | on here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed |
| 22:03.57 | rwhitby | gordian: yes please. Templarian or Rick_ will let you know the best place for a tutorial on how to add a second virtual drive to the emulator to give more space. |
| 22:04.01 | gordian | rwhitby: i don't have any info on how to add to the wiki yet from Rick, though |
| 22:04.12 | gordian | ok |
| 22:05.11 | ka6sox | PullingJ_, the framework is being put together. if you have content to add to those pages you are being sent to the edit page then by all means help filling in the information. |
| 22:05.51 | PullingJ_ | ka6sox: no content to add, i was just trying to follow through the wiki and it was taking me to the edit page instead of the actual destination |
| 22:06.23 | DarthPooh | PullingJ_, please proofread... I had someone do it earlier, shows you have reliable Dieter is ;) |
| 22:06.41 | PullingJ_ | DarthPooh: i'll take a look |
| 22:07.19 | DarthPooh | thanks |
| 22:08.29 | PullingJ_ | DarthPooh: that line looks better, i'll look at the rest more in a bit |
| 22:09.28 | DarthPooh | thanks... appreciate it |
| 22:09.31 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: what's your username for gitorious? |
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| 22:22.32 | raeb | hmm an unprivleged user on a fone with sudo? |
| 22:22.51 | raeb | seems like a hassle for not much gain |
| 22:24.06 | Rick_ | saves accidental bad typing |
| 22:24.24 | raeb | perhaps |
| 22:24.25 | Rick_ | but if you've never ACCIDENTALLY typed the wrong path, then don't bother |
| 22:24.40 | Rick_ | me, I'm glad for the safety |
| 22:24.43 | raeb | but if i sudo somecommand /wrongpath |
| 22:24.46 | raeb | i'll still just type my password |
| 22:24.59 | Rick_ | yeah, but I know to be careful if Im sudoing. |
| 22:25.04 | raeb | that makes sense |
| 22:25.10 | Rick_ | again, it's an attitudinal thing |
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| 22:25.45 | rwhitby | raeb: anyone who knows better will just install ssh keys for root and use that. |
| 22:25.49 | raeb | then again, be careful always isn't a bad idea |
| 22:25.51 | raeb | thats what i do |
| 22:25.59 | raeb | ssh key, disable password login on anything but usbnet |
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| 22:26.01 | rwhitby | if someone doesn't now how to do that, then they get sudo to keep them safe |
| 22:27.40 | rwhitby | in essence, the default instructions are not intended for the people who know how to do things better/easier ... |
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| 22:28.07 | rwhitby | (since they will do things the way they are used to anyway) |
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| 22:31.03 | raeb | true |
| 22:31.19 | raeb | however, what about an advanced guide on the wiki |
| 22:35.02 | destinal | raeb: FWIW, I agree with you. I think the people who can't handle direct root are the people who should be using gui tools and not a direct shell |
| 22:35.07 | destinal | now if we only had the gui tools done :P |
| 22:35.13 | raeb | hehe |
| 22:36.10 | destinal | I can't tell you how many zillions of people come in trying to figure out what the heck with sudoing inside winscp.. sudoing INSIDE winscp, dear gods. |
| 22:37.24 | destinal | rwhitby: I know we have this slight difference in approach but I'd just give them root and if they don't know what they're doing, they'll break something. they will anyway, alas. |
| 22:37.35 | destinal | it worked for iphone |
| 22:37.59 | raeb | rofl |
| 22:38.11 | rwhitby | destinal: I'm happy for the instructions to set up direct root access via ssh keys. |
| 22:38.34 | rwhitby | destinal: the thing I am against is setting people up with root password login on the internet when they don't know what they are doing. |
| 22:39.16 | destinal | oh, well, yeah, exposing ssh to the internet on one of these things at all is dumb, IMO |
| 22:39.17 | rwhitby | it seemed to be deemed by consensus that sudo was easier for a newbie than ssh keys. |
| 22:39.29 | destinal | I think sudo is much harder |
| 22:39.36 | rwhitby | I do to. |
| 22:40.01 | rwhitby | I'd prefer we teach people to use SSH properly, with agent forwarding, and passphrases on private keys. |
| 22:40.33 | destinal | rwhitby: I'd prefer we avoid ssh for the majority |
| 22:40.58 | rwhitby | destinal: that too, but at the moment, root access is required for a lot of things. |
| 22:41.01 | destinal | if we get the right tools in place, they won't need a root shell |
| 22:41.05 | destinal | I agree we're not there yet |
| 22:41.32 | destinal | but when we get there, much less carnage :) |
| 22:43.05 | raeb | though |
| 22:43.11 | raeb | has there been reports of carnage thus far |
| 22:46.13 | destinal | well much less questions in here on how to do basic linux things |
| 22:46.16 | destinal | :) |
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| 22:46.44 | destinal | s/less/fewer/ |
| 22:47.24 | kevin- | Blame/credit the wiki. :) |
| 22:47.30 | raeb | hey, learning basic linux isn't a bad thing |
| 22:47.32 | DarthPooh | has anyone tested (extensively) the benefits of the overclocking patches for quilt? |
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| 22:47.39 | raeb | and if having a pre facilitates that |
| 22:47.40 | rwhitby | there will always be people who want to get root and don't know how to do it |
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| 22:47.49 | raeb | more power to the newbs |
| 22:47.55 | rwhitby | we should teach them the right ways to do things |
| 22:48.09 | rwhitby | bbiab (1h) |
| 22:48.10 | Finder1 | Hey all, I can't get the novacom term from the git repos to work...is there any reason to not use /opts/Palm/novacom/novaterm ? |
| 22:48.13 | raeb | yeah, and if they break it, they can fix it, what better way to learn |
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| 22:48.43 | raeb | Finder1: if it works, then use it |
| 22:48.57 | Finder1 | raeb: it does, gives me a nice root term. Thanks. :) |
| 22:50.23 | gordian | rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_Disks_to_the_Emulator |
| 22:50.44 | gordian | also threw in a link to the page in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps |
| 22:53.00 | Finder1 | awesome job on all of this, guys...have to say seeing your site and getting to linux got me really excited about developing for and using the pre. :) |
| 22:53.08 | raeb | so it was fun to be able to copy my c# executable made with visual studio (.net 3.5) to my device and run it |
| 22:53.13 | raeb | with mono |
| 22:54.04 | Finder1 | hope it can run python ok |
| 22:54.07 | DarthPooh | no one runs CPU scaling? |
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| 22:55.36 | destinal | gordian: awesome |
| 22:56.02 | destinal | so now they just add it, run bootstrap and they're off to the races? |
| 22:56.06 | destinal | very cool |
| 22:56.11 | gordian | yup |
| 22:57.15 | kevin- | raeb: you've got mono running? |
| 22:58.40 | raeb | yeah |
| 22:58.44 | raeb | easy peasy |
| 22:59.00 | raeb | its in optware |
| 22:59.05 | raeb | then copy your .exe over |
| 22:59.09 | raeb | and mono your.exe |
| 22:59.16 | raeb | Hello world, from .net! |
| 22:59.33 | raeb | there is dbus libraries for .net allowing you to communicate with mojo apps |
| 23:00.23 | kevin- | No kidding. |
| 23:00.53 | raeb | yeah, write your front end in mojo, back end in .net |
| 23:01.04 | raeb | sounds like a good time if you ask me |
| 23:01.26 | kevin- | That's actually freakin' awesome. |
| 23:01.43 | destinal | all fun high level platform goodness |
| 23:01.50 | destinal | even if it does mean joining the dark side |
| 23:01.52 | raeb | theres a project in git |
| 23:02.00 | raeb | visual studio, monodeveloper, and eclipse compatible |
| 23:02.05 | destinal | well I guess mono is OSS, so it's just flirting with the dark side |
| 23:02.13 | raeb | rofl |
| 23:02.14 | raeb | and |
| 23:02.21 | raeb | microsoft has commited to releasing all its .net source code |
| 23:02.22 | raeb | and has |
| 23:02.42 | kevin- | They're not so dark any more. I kinda know "from the inside", if you know what I mean. |
| 23:02.52 | raeb | rofl, they got a creamy center |
| 23:02.54 | raeb | is what your'e saying |
| 23:03.20 | kevin- | They cut out the performance bonuses this year, so not any more. |
| 23:03.34 | raeb | i'm working on getting mono remote debugger working, so i'll have f5/play support in visual studio |
| 23:04.00 | kevin- | I mean merit raises. Same thing. Extra money. Whatever. |
| 23:04.01 | raeb | emulator or device required, obviously |
| 23:04.13 | raeb | yeah merit, the standard raise |
| 23:04.19 | raeb | u get it for workin here |
| 23:04.34 | kevin- | Yeah. For FY09 they cut 'em out. |
| 23:05.22 | kevin- | Question: Even though the SDK doesn't say anything about it, what's Palm's position on native apps? |
| 23:06.20 | raeb | well the phone runs linux, linux is open source |
| 23:06.33 | kevin- | I mean, interacting with the GUI. |
| 23:06.34 | raeb | which hopefully implies the device is open |
| 23:06.44 | kevin- | Like Classic, which uses a plugin. |
| 23:06.54 | raeb | well thats the question isn't it |
| 23:07.04 | raeb | is luna OSS |
| 23:07.22 | raeb | and bound by the licenses of its parent container (linux) |
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| 23:07.56 | joesmith | rboatright are you around? |
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| 23:08.36 | kevin- | I don't think so. The Linux mods, sure. Kernel mods and whatnot, already open source. |
| 23:08.43 | kevin- | But luna? Not so sure. |
| 23:09.05 | raeb | not that it has to be open to write gui apps for it |
| 23:09.32 | raeb | u could always email palm's opensource folks see what they say |
| 23:09.33 | kevin- | No. But a backend API would be nice. |
| 23:09.53 | raeb | you could write a replacement for luna |
| 23:10.25 | kevin- | You know. That's very true. But wouldn't that be reinventing the wheel? |
| 23:11.02 | HebrewzHammer | isn't webOS just basically a web browser that has alot of functionality? |
| 23:11.17 | destinal | webos is an architecture implemented on a linux core and userland |
| 23:11.42 | HebrewzHammer | then, luna is the "web browser" |
| 23:15.25 | destinal | kind of |
| 23:15.46 | destinal | their actual "web browser app" is just a plugin inside the real browser which is part of Luna, yeah |
| 23:16.23 | destinal | well the app is mojo embedding a plugin to be exact |
| 23:16.36 | HebrewzHammer | k, thats roughly what I thought, just curious. |
| 23:16.46 | destinal | but there's more to webos |
| 23:16.59 | destinal | upstart, dbus, alsa, pulseaudio |
| 23:17.05 | destinal | and lots more |
| 23:17.38 | destinal | the biggest thing is that they have back-end services which talk to mojo apps over dbus |
| 23:17.51 | raeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.54 | HebrewzHammer | but those run along side luna on linux, right? |
| 23:17.58 | destinal | yes |
| 23:17.58 | raeb | # phone-answer |
| 23:18.14 | raeb | broadcast from system: phone ringing! |
| 23:18.15 | raeb | hehe |
| 23:18.18 | destinal | hehe |
| 23:19.46 | HebrewzHammer | do you still need ppl to help move over old wiki pages? |
| 23:20.34 | gordian | last i checked they do |
| 23:22.24 | gordian | rwhitby you around? |
| 23:23.19 | destinal | gordian: according to his last message he expects to be back in ~25 minutes |
| 23:24.00 | destinal | but of course he may get creative and stay away longer. :P |
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| 23:25.45 | gordian | ahh |
| 23:25.55 | gordian | good call |
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| 23:26.15 | HebrewzHammer | has anyone tried the "Character Counter" mod? I tried it and it didn't work and I haven't heard of anyone else getting it to work. I mssg'd the creator but he hasn't responded. |
| 23:27.21 | gordian | hmm |
| 23:27.36 | gordian | the bootstrap didn't appear to install sudo on the emu |
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| 23:39.15 | gordian | grrrr |
| 23:41.56 | rwhitby | gordian: you don't need sudo on the emulator |
| 23:43.02 | rwhitby | gordian: thanks for the emulator disks page. you go to the front of the queue when asking me questions now |
| 23:44.21 | gordian | cool |
| 23:44.30 | gordian | i'm happy to contribute as much as i possibly can |
| 23:44.34 | gordian | which brings me to: |
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| 23:44.50 | gordian | how can i manage to get access the emu via scftp |
| 23:44.51 | gordian | ? |
| 23:45.13 | gordian | sorry, sftp rather |
| 23:45.28 | rwhitby | gordian: winscp, and access via port 5522 on the host |
| 23:45.35 | gordian | i'm trying that |
| 23:45.59 | gordian | 'Cannot initialize SFTP protocol. Is the host running a SFTP server?' |
| 23:46.32 | rwhitby | gordian: ah, tell winscp to use SCP prototocl rather than SFTP |
| 23:47.11 | gordian | *doh* |
| 23:47.19 | gordian | thanks |
| 23:47.22 | gordian | whew |
| 23:47.26 | gordian | finally |
| 23:48.54 | gordian | HebrewzHammer: haven't tried it |
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| 23:49.49 | HebrewzHammer | dam, i really want that mod to work |
| 23:50.55 | gordian | what's the url |
| 23:50.59 | gordian | i'll see if i can get it working |
| 23:52.18 | HebrewzHammer | i'm getting winscp to work with the emulaotr but every time it connects it gives an error "Error looking up user groups". I'm assuming its just a setting but i can't find it. |
| 23:52.46 | HebrewzHammer | gordian: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Messaging_Mods THANX1 |
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