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19:53.25 | TimRiker | infobot: save |
19:53.25 | infobot | saved user and chan files |
19:53.30 | TimRiker | ~logs |
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19:54.22 | rwhitby | TimRiker: thanks! |
19:55.06 | TimRiker | np :) |
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20:00.45 | rwhitby | infobot: botsnack |
20:00.45 | infobot | thanks, rwhitby |
20:01.18 | sung | hi timriker |
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20:03.27 | glass_ | what would be the most useful way to try to hook up with a coder who's looking for an idea for a pre app? |
20:04.35 | destinal | glass_: I think at the phase we're at there are no coders not already working on good ideas |
20:04.38 | Robi_ | heh /opt |
20:04.39 | Robi_ | drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Jun 28 23:19 ipkg-39Mfyg |
20:04.39 | Robi_ | drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Jun 20 01:06 ipkg-dNlCWu |
20:04.39 | Robi_ | drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Jun 19 21:29 ipkg-lkM72Q |
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20:04.45 | destinal | we're high on ideas, low on implementors |
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20:04.59 | glass_ | gotcha |
20:05.00 | jcrawford | has anyone here tried this on mac os x 10.5? http://predev.wikidot.com/usbnet-setup |
20:07.09 | rwhitby | wonders if that will work on the emulator ... |
20:07.49 | Rick_ | glass_ you could wave very very large sums of money in the air. |
20:08.06 | Rick_ | For enough money, several coders would set aside the project they're working on. |
20:08.24 | Rick_ | In general, that kind of attention starts somewhere north of $100 an hour. |
20:09.08 | Rick_ | the other technique is to have a REALLY GOOD IDEA ... so good it drags coders awayfrom what THEY are working on just 'cause it's so darned cool. |
20:09.09 | glass_ | Oh boy, well, I wish I could. I'm an MFA student in poetry, and I've noticed all the poetry implementations that aren't magnetic poetry knockoffs are....either not there or terrible on the pre (ie the stuff from poets.org) |
20:09.18 | Rick_ | Both are unlikey, but feel free to go for it. |
20:09.36 | Rick_ | nodnod |
20:09.40 | Rick_ | so what is it you want? |
20:09.48 | rwhitby | glass_: the most useful way in this channel is to just state the idea ... |
20:09.59 | Robi_ | ugh there a terminal app yet? |
20:10.20 | Rick_ | not yet Robi_ they're working on it. it turns out to be someehwat harder than we thought. |
20:10.29 | Robi_ | i bet |
20:10.49 | Rick_ | PuffTheMagic may have found a key element within the last hour. I'm not sure, but it SOUNDED good. |
20:10.53 | glass_ | all i've done is to imagine carrying well formatted poetry in my pocket. Easy highlighting, easy note taking, tagging one poem to another, poem of the day, etc et |
20:11.03 | Rick_ | so glass_ go for it. What is it you want? |
20:11.05 | Robi_ | oh? |
20:11.05 | PuffTheMagic | dont celebrate yet |
20:11.17 | Rick_ | Key - not final |
20:11.18 | Robi_ | this is without the webos-internals pkg for shell cmds right |
20:11.20 | PuffTheMagic | drawEvent definately has a buffer and graphic context |
20:11.26 | PuffTheMagic | which is needed for most gdk shit |
20:11.26 | glass_ | there's *nothing* i've found even in the itunes app store that does that |
20:11.38 | PuffTheMagic | still working this out |
20:11.38 | Rick_ | does what? |
20:11.53 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: small steady steps are good :-) |
20:12.21 | glass_ | displays poems formatted correctly on a phone, allows touch highlighting, easy note taking, and tagging one poem to another |
20:12.29 | rwhitby | for those wondering who infobot is, see http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
20:12.51 | drnull | heh, I just closed that page. |
20:13.07 | glass_ | but, obvi, this is poetry....so not really tons of initial $$ |
20:13.18 | glass_ | i just know *i'd* pay $1 for this app! |
20:13.42 | glass_ | besides, ebook reading on a phone can get really tedious |
20:13.56 | glass_ | poems work easier |
20:14.33 | jcrawford | no one has gotten that to work with OS X? |
20:14.44 | rwhitby | glass_: since all that could be done with the standard Palm SDK, you'll probably find more app developers in #webos |
20:15.29 | jcrawford | wtf ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.101 port 22: Connection refused |
20:15.37 | jcrawford | it worked until i rebooted the device |
20:15.41 | glass_ | oops sorry, didn't mean to be off topic! thanks |
20:15.50 | Robi_ | this is without the webos-internals pkg for shell cmds right? |
20:16.02 | rwhitby | glass_: not really off topic, no problem. |
20:16.32 | rwhitby | glass_: i.e. you might have had some idea about hooking it up to the linux 'fortune' command or something ;-) |
20:17.19 | sushi2_ | jcrawford: I've found that occasionally one needs to reconnect after a reboot - first try fails |
20:17.32 | jcrawford | ok will try again |
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20:17.39 | sushi2_ | jcrawford: fyi - in my putty config, I'm connecting to port 222 |
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20:17.54 | jcrawford | yea i changed it to 22 |
20:18.31 | rwhitby | jcrawford: real Pre or emulator? |
20:18.37 | jcrawford | real pre |
20:18.50 | rwhitby | ok, cause the emulator starts dropbear itself on port 22 |
20:19.16 | rwhitby | jcrawford: you changed both the dropbear options and the iptables commands? |
20:19.34 | jcrawford | i did not change the iptables because i do not want to ssh over evdo |
20:19.47 | jcrawford | just wifi and usb cable if possible but that is looking close to impossible on os x |
20:19.56 | rwhitby | jcrawford: then your iptables is only allowing port 222 and not 22 |
20:20.30 | jcrawford | oh rwhitby no i changed the port there too |
20:20.43 | jcrawford | i thought you were talking about the -i eth0 |
20:21.07 | rwhitby | jcrawford: ok, dunno then. |
20:21.13 | jcrawford | rebooting device to see if it is working now |
20:23.33 | jcrawford | hmm now it is just hanging |
20:23.35 | jcrawford | wtf |
20:25.05 | jcrawford | hmm now it is just timing out |
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20:25.58 | jcrawford | AVAILABLE:~ jcrawford$ ssh jcrawford@192.168.1.101 -p 22 |
20:25.58 | jcrawford | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.101 port 22: Operation timed out |
20:26.33 | sushi2_ | did it work before you chagned the ports? |
20:28.00 | bpadalino|work | did you make sure your iptables rule allowed port 22 ? |
20:28.41 | jcrawford | yes |
20:28.49 | jcrawford | odd it does not seem like dropbear is running |
20:28.54 | jcrawford | http://pastie.org/548632 |
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20:29.26 | jcrawford | brb |
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20:33.08 | rwhitby | has updated http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy to reflect the SDK is no longer under NDA |
20:34.19 | PullingJ | if it's timing out you probably have firewall rule issues. if the firewall rule was right and dropbear wasn't running, you'd get connection refused |
20:34.55 | jcrawford | hmm' |
20:35.12 | jcrawford | so what would you suggest I do to get ssh working again? |
20:35.29 | MoMail | hi guys, i have a question about reverting to 1.0.3, is that possible? |
20:35.45 | rwhitby | jcrawford: use the original root access procedure and check the dropbear install on port 222 first. |
20:35.46 | PullingJ | enable dev mode and get back in the way you originally rooted the pre. figure out what is wrong from there |
20:36.00 | rwhitby | MoMail: it is if you have a copy of the 1.0.3 webOS Doctor |
20:36.05 | jcrawford | i am in that way |
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20:36.23 | PullingJ | i was able to use commander when i broke my dropbear script to start a new drop bear and add a firewall |
20:36.26 | MoMail | ok cool, is anyone keeping a copy of each image whenever there is an upgrade? |
20:36.27 | PullingJ | rule |
20:36.34 | PuffTheMagic | whats up with PGContextIface-hacked? |
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20:36.42 | MoMail | i dont have 1.0.3 but I can start keeping them from now on |
20:36.53 | rwhitby | MoMail: I'm sure a number of people here are, but since they are Palm copyright files we cannot publicly redistribute them. |
20:37.32 | MoMail | ok if anyone wants to talk privately with me feel free ;) |
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20:37.57 | atlanta | im back |
20:38.07 | MoMail | also is there an easy way to check exactly what was changed when the upgrade occurs, to know exactly what they change? |
20:38.09 | A2NY|pre | isnt the latest webos doc still 1.0.03 ? |
20:38.17 | atlanta | MoMail: on Palm support site |
20:38.31 | MoMail | is it just a matter of making a back up and then comparing the changed files? |
20:38.40 | MoMail | i checked with webos doctor today |
20:38.45 | MoMail | and their image is 1.0.4 :( |
20:38.56 | A2NY|pre | ahh nice |
20:39.13 | MoMail | yeah pretty good of them to do that |
20:39.20 | MoMail | just doesnt help me ;) |
20:39.21 | A2NY|pre | finally, lol |
20:39.25 | atlanta | what do you want to do |
20:39.25 | atlanta | ? |
20:39.34 | A2NY|pre | do you have it with you ? |
20:39.53 | MoMail | i want to test the email link package installation method and look at the code responsible |
20:40.16 | atlanta | awww ok hopefully we come out with a better method soon |
20:40.26 | A2NY|pre | you can already patch it |
20:40.43 | atlanta | no need for the email thing |
20:40.45 | tehnoir | atlanta: somebody fixed their "Out Of Memory" error |
20:40.50 | atlanta | tehnoir: |
20:40.50 | tehnoir | Unfortunately it wasn't me. |
20:40.50 | atlanta | how |
20:40.51 | atlanta | ? |
20:40.58 | MoMail | iyeah i have already rooted it etc as per the wiki |
20:40.59 | tehnoir | For them it was fixed by remove ajaxterm |
20:41.12 | atlanta | oh gotcha |
20:41.23 | MoMail | but wanted to see why the email link worked, where the bug was and see if I could dig around for similar code elsewhere in the OS |
20:41.34 | atlanta | MoMail: oh ok gotcha |
20:41.43 | MoMail | ah ok that's useful to know tehnoir |
20:43.39 | A2NY|pre | MoMail, im confused what are you trying to do exactly |
20:43.58 | A2NY|pre | we already have a patch to enable 1.0.4 ipkg downloads |
20:44.44 | tehnoir | My desktop also started BSODing a few days ago. Maybe my electronics are just turning on me. |
20:44.47 | MoMail | i want to look at the code responsible for the email link vulnerability, and understand why it worked, and see if there is other code in the OS that would enable you to install a package without rooting the device |
20:44.54 | MoMail | point a click type deal |
20:46.31 | tehnoir | MoMail: My uneducated guess would be it wasn't necessarily the code that was in there, it's what was left out. Perhaps they had a check in the browser to disallow certain extensions, but they didn't include one in the e-mail. |
20:46.32 | jcrawford | ok i got rid of dropbear |
20:46.38 | jcrawford | and installed openssh seems to work just fine now |
20:47.02 | MoMail | ah ok yeah that would make sense |
20:47.05 | jcrawford | so has anyone here gotten the ssh over usb working on mac os x 10.5 yet? |
20:47.21 | MoMail | i'll dig around and see what i can find, thanks for the info |
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20:48.43 | mdklein | jcrawford: yes... but it's not ready to share yet |
20:48.48 | mdklein | I just put it in the wiki |
20:48.56 | jcrawford | mdklein: darn i want it lol |
20:49.05 | mdklein | the pre forces usbnet to use RNDIS which os-x does not implement |
20:49.08 | jcrawford | i will keep my eye on the wiki for updates i guess :D |
20:49.23 | jcrawford | mdklein: yea i installed the driver but that seemed to do nothing for my 10.5 system |
20:49.26 | mdklein | I modified the kernel module running on the pre so that it can talk the correct method |
20:49.32 | jcrawford | i see no "extra" interfaces in my network devices |
20:49.42 | mdklein | however in doing so I broke novacom |
20:49.54 | mdklein | so I'm trying to figure out if I can just include both methods |
20:50.08 | mdklein | but I've been pretty busy w/work so it's been slow |
20:50.26 | jcrawford | mdklein: no problem :) |
20:50.57 | jcrawford | one question though is this. once I have ssh setup i can see my ip by using novaterm, do i have to use novaterm everytime i want to get my ip as it will change due to dhcp |
20:51.06 | jcrawford | or is there an app i can install that will show that information? |
20:51.28 | sushi2_ | jcrawford: are you connecting via wifi? |
20:51.34 | jcrawford | yes wifi |
20:51.48 | sushi2_ | jcrawford: go into the wifi settings, tap the connection, it will show the ip |
20:51.52 | sushi2_ | if the lease has expired |
20:52.20 | jcrawford | nice thanks |
20:53.02 | PreGame | infobot: high five |
20:53.03 | infobot | low five |
20:53.17 | PreGame | pokes infobot in the eye |
20:53.33 | PreGame | infobot, help |
20:55.15 | FreeTim3 | jcrawford : you can install DDNS works on Wifi and then you can connect to it all the time using a custom hostname like jcrawford.getmyip.com, which is kind of nice. |
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20:57.19 | HebrewzHammer | Is there anyway to make it so that when I want to run a script I don't have to specify the location of the script? Like define the script to be a command or something? |
20:57.48 | drnull | try echoing $0, that could be useful |
20:58.23 | PreGame | spell pregame |
20:58.58 | PreGame | infobot, spell mississippi |
20:59.08 | sushi2_ | peee-are-ee-gee-aye-gee-em-ee |
20:59.19 | HebrewzHammer | lol |
20:59.20 | rwhitby | atlanta: I just posted http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=52&p=238#p238 |
20:59.37 | PreGame | infobot, is it true canadian isn't a nationality but infact a disability? |
20:59.56 | atlanta | Thanks rwhitby |
20:59.59 | sushi2_ | rwhitby: boy, their forum is wonky |
21:00.04 | drnull | infobot, tell PreGame about Canada |
21:00.12 | sushi2_ | Error: Infinite login loop intercepted. (when clicking your link) |
21:00.22 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: PGContextiface-hacked.h is a hacked version of PGContextiface.h Because palm has not provided all the headers needed to build their version of webcore I had to comment out some functions. |
21:00.29 | PreGame | [2:00:03 pm] <infobot> drnull wants you to know: We're sorry we called your president a moron, I mean he IS a moron but it wasn't nice of us to point it out. besides it's not like you voted him into office. |
21:00.40 | drnull | hahaha |
21:01.05 | rwhitby | waits for the usual infobot first-time-in-channel games die down ... ;-) |
21:01.20 | PreGame | infobot: tell me about Obama |
21:01.53 | FreeTim3 | since we're toying with Bot at the moment may I ask, should we redefine mojo to be at the new download link |
21:02.16 | FreeTim3 | also does it pick up delcaritive statements from just anyone ? |
21:02.25 | PreGame | yep |
21:02.26 | FreeTim3 | declaritive |
21:02.49 | PreGame | infobot, don't forget FreeTim3 has the learning curve of a brick |
21:03.14 | rwhitby | note that you can /msg infobot so the responses to off-topic questions will not clutter the channel ... |
21:04.21 | PreGame | wtf |
21:04.53 | PreGame | infobot: please note Mojo SDK is now public |
21:04.54 | infobot | okay, PreGame |
21:05.20 | PreGame | infobot: Also note you can download the Mojo SDK at http://developer.palm.com |
21:05.37 | PreGame | infobot: note you can download the Mojo SDK at http://developer.palm.com |
21:05.38 | infobot | ACTION takes note of you can download the Mojo SDK at http://developer.palm.com and submits the information to google |
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21:05.47 | rwhitby | infobot: sdk is The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
21:05.48 | infobot | ...but sdk is already something else... |
21:05.54 | drnull | infobot: what is mojo? |
21:05.55 | infobot | [mojo] the libido, the life force, the right stuff, the essence, what the french call a certain ... oh I don't know what. |
21:06.16 | rwhitby | infobot: no, sdk is The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
21:06.17 | infobot | rwhitby: okay |
21:06.21 | rwhitby | ~sdk |
21:06.21 | infobot | sdk is, like, The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
21:06.31 | PreGame | infobot: is osama really a dirty wizard or homeless santa |
21:06.44 | PreGame | infobot: is osama really a dirty wizard or homeless santa? |
21:06.54 | rwhitby | PreGame: please use /msg for offtopic stuff and don't pollute our infobot. |
21:07.10 | sushi2_ | infobot: will PreGame finally use /msg and quit cluttering the channel? |
21:07.17 | PreGame | no |
21:07.26 | sushi2_ | PreGame: didn't ask you |
21:07.31 | PreGame | lol |
21:07.32 | sushi2_ | ;) |
21:08.04 | rwhitby | infobot: wiki is The webos-internals wiki can be found at http://predev.wikidot.com (for the time being) |
21:08.29 | rwhitby | doh! wiki is a reserved command |
21:08.32 | PreGame | infobot: where can i download webos homebrew apps? |
21:09.43 | PreGame | infobot: When I say "check the wiki" I want you to respond with "Please visit http://predev.wikidot.com for information regarding the topic in question!" |
21:10.15 | rwhitby | infobot: repo is The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:10.16 | infobot | ...but repo is already something else... |
21:10.23 | rwhitby | infobot: no, repo is The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:10.24 | infobot | okay, rwhitby |
21:10.27 | rwhitby | ~repo |
21:10.28 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, repo is The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:10.51 | PreGame | infobot: check the wiki is Please visit http://predev.wikidot.com for information regarding the topic in question! |
21:10.52 | infobot | ACTION slams the wiki is Please visit http://predev.wikidot.com for information regarding the topic in question! into the glass nose first |
21:11.06 | PreGame | wow a bit harsh |
21:11.18 | rwhitby | PreGame: the first word is a command. it doesn't understand plain english questions |
21:11.38 | rwhitby | "check" is like "lart" |
21:11.38 | PreGame | can it not use multiple words |
21:11.47 | rwhitby | PreGame: just read the doco |
21:11.50 | lamontsf | so has anybody seen an error when trying to send mail "java.io.IOException: unable to make space in filecache" |
21:11.57 | PreGame | infobot: checkthewiki is Please visit http://predev.wikidot.com for information regarding the topic in question! |
21:11.57 | infobot | okay, PreGame |
21:12.06 | lamontsf | I'm assuming I'm out of space somehow, but not sure where the pre stores email |
21:12.45 | PreGame | infobot: !repo is The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:12.46 | infobot | okay, PreGame |
21:12.55 | PreGame | !repo |
21:13.05 | atlanta | grrrr eclipse and debug feature killling me |
21:13.09 | PreGame | infobot: !repo |
21:13.10 | infobot | somebody said !repo was The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:13.24 | sushi2_ | lamontsf: did you run a df to see? |
21:13.45 | PreGame | rwhitby: didn't you get services to run on the emu? |
21:13.47 | rwhitby | ~repo |
21:13.48 | infobot | [repo] say The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:13.48 | PreGame | emulator |
21:14.07 | lamontsf | sushi2, not yet |
21:14.12 | rwhitby | PreGame: haven't tried that yet |
21:14.30 | PreGame | i thought you had .shell running on the emulator |
21:15.29 | rwhitby | ~repo |
21:15.30 | infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
21:15.33 | jcrawford | why am i finding an ircd user in my passwd file? |
21:15.42 | jcrawford | irc:*:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh |
21:15.56 | rwhitby | PreGame: nope |
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21:16.36 | rwhitby | PreGame: but I can try it tomorrow |
21:16.59 | atlanta | anybody got eclipse debug to work good |
21:17.00 | atlanta | ? |
21:17.20 | gkatsev | atlanta: work well. :D |
21:17.46 | atlanta | gkatsev: maybe its just i dont know how to step throug the code mind helping me in pm |
21:18.07 | gkatsev | atlanta: lol, i meant to correct your grammar |
21:18.11 | flakmonkey | so, I tried to do the 'New Cards For Each Messaging Conversation' tutorial (http://predev.wikidot.com/carded-messaging) and it resulted in blank cards launching instead of conversations. When I reverted the file to the original it flat refuses to open a conversation. It highlights the name on click but does nothing |
21:18.22 | atlanta | gkatsev: aww you panzi lol |
21:18.24 | atlanta | thanks |
21:18.35 | rwhitby | infobot: no, sdk is <reply> The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
21:18.36 | infobot | rwhitby: okay |
21:18.38 | atlanta | flakmonkey: did you backup your files |
21:18.39 | atlanta | ? |
21:18.40 | rwhitby | ~sdk |
21:18.41 | infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
21:18.59 | flakmonkey | I didnt but I got the original from the SDK |
21:19.08 | flakmonkey | and loaded that via usb |
21:19.16 | flakmonkey | and copied it over the modded file |
21:19.34 | atlanta | flakmonkey: ok tech advice number 1 ALWAYS BACKUP |
21:19.43 | atlanta | maybe rwhitby should put that in the topic |
21:19.48 | atlanta | remember to BACKUP |
21:19.54 | lamontsf | hmm, so running df on my pre shows no drives full |
21:20.28 | flakmonkey | right, but what would be different about my file compared to the SDK that would cause it not to work |
21:20.39 | lamontsf | but I cannot send mail, cause I get an "unable to make space in filecache" |
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21:20.53 | atlanta | flakmonkey: which file do you need |
21:20.54 | atlanta | ? |
21:21.03 | atlanta | or did you change |
21:21.03 | atlanta | ? |
21:21.05 | socketbind | hi |
21:21.15 | flakmonkey | listview-assistant.js and chatview-assistant.js |
21:21.23 | atlanta | ok hold on |
21:21.41 | socketbind | is there any way to report a serious issue with the windows installer? |
21:21.51 | socketbind | *of the webos sdk |
21:22.17 | destinal | infobot: where is the sdk? |
21:22.19 | infobot | destinal: I think you lost me on that one |
21:22.19 | atlanta | http://wiresocket.com/com.palm.app.messaging.rar |
21:22.29 | flakmonkey | thanks! |
21:22.31 | jcrawford | irc:*:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh |
21:22.33 | atlanta | no problem |
21:22.33 | flakmonkey | Ill report back in a sec |
21:22.37 | atlanta | let me know when you done downloading |
21:22.42 | atlanta | so i can delete it |
21:22.46 | atlanta | and also umm make sure you do |
21:22.50 | destinal | infobot: sdk |
21:22.51 | infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
21:22.53 | atlanta | stop LunaSysMgr |
21:22.56 | destinal | cool |
21:22.58 | atlanta | then |
21:22.59 | jcrawford | ok so now it's rooted what kind of fun stuff can i do haha |
21:23.02 | atlanta | start LunaSysMgr |
21:23.17 | jcrawford | still curious why there is an irc/ircd user in my /etc/passwd file |
21:23.24 | flakmonkey | Im done |
21:23.31 | atlanta | ok |
21:23.35 | destinal | infobot: random |
21:23.44 | Robi_ | jcrawford:we all have it |
21:24.00 | atlanta | destinal: lol |
21:24.03 | atlanta | mad random |
21:24.08 | destinal | that's very random |
21:24.13 | rwhitby | Interesting, I just got a "This message has been submitted successfully, but it will need to be approved by a moderator before it is publicly viewable. You will be notified when your post has been approved." on the Palm forum, on my second post, but not on my first post. |
21:25.00 | drnull | MoMail: re installing ipk files. I believe you used to be able to call the installer via: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/open '{"target":"/tmp/pkg.ipk"}' |
21:25.12 | drnull | however, that command now returns "open method does not support ipk files" |
21:25.15 | rwhitby | ah, the post has been approved |
21:25.21 | drnull | you'll find that string in LunaSysMgr |
21:25.45 | drnull | along with: "Unauthorized call to open an ipk", which is a ray of hope... |
21:27.00 | destinal | infobot: x en es palm pre is good. buy one now. |
21:28.30 | atlanta | rwhitby: yea certain sections they moderate |
21:29.15 | rwhitby | atlanta: That's fantastic. I'll assume that by letting my post through, Palm is officially agreeing with my interpretation of section 4.2 :-) |
21:29.45 | jcrawford | oh wow you can see the full source for app installed on the phone? |
21:29.59 | sugardave|work | yep |
21:30.08 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: which post? |
21:30.09 | gkatsev | rwhitby: what is section 4.2 and your interpretation of it? |
21:30.19 | rwhitby | jcrawford: except for the binary plugins and shared libraries |
21:30.30 | atlanta | rwhitby: I concur because its wierd how they accepted my post but didnt answer |
21:30.41 | rwhitby | gkatsev: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=238#p238 |
21:30.47 | destinal | atlanta: uh, don't send copies of palm apps around (assuming that's what it was) -- send patches |
21:31.19 | atlanta | destinal: sorry was just quick thinking |
21:31.31 | destinal | we want to stay happy with copyright law |
21:31.35 | flakmonkey | woot! messaging fixed |
21:31.42 | flakmonkey | atlanta: thanks a lot |
21:31.43 | jcrawford | time to get into the nitty gritty and see how the big apps are done :D |
21:31.44 | atlanta | indeed |
21:31.53 | atlanta | flakmonkey: no problem |
21:31.55 | jcrawford | rwhitby: what apps are binary plugins? |
21:32.01 | atlanta | destinal: well at least he got it fixed hehehehe |
21:32.02 | atlanta | sorry |
21:32.12 | atlanta | pandora i believe ? |
21:32.19 | rwhitby | jcrawford: the /etc/passwd file on the Pre is built using OpenEmbedded, and includes a whole lot of accounts that are not used for anything. |
21:32.24 | destinal | no not pandora |
21:32.33 | rwhitby | jcrawford: classic is one |
21:32.39 | destinal | jcrawford: http://predev.wikidot.com/browser-plugins |
21:32.53 | socketbind | is there a forum moderator present please? |
21:33.05 | rwhitby | socketbind: which forum? |
21:33.16 | socketbind | umm, webosdev |
21:33.20 | destinal | web browser, media player, office, pdf, and navigator |
21:33.31 | destinal | and classic |
21:33.39 | socketbind | but never mind, my post got approved, it had contained an important fix |
21:33.39 | jcrawford | hmm i can ssh to the phone |
21:33.51 | jcrawford | why can i not sshfs mount it as a drive? |
21:33.55 | atlanta | socketbind: the files one |
21:33.55 | atlanta | ? |
21:34.03 | socketbind | yes |
21:34.19 | destinal | jcrawford: does sshfs use sftp? |
21:34.23 | socketbind | thanks for the fast approval if it was you : ] |
21:34.25 | destinal | jcrawford: or just scp |
21:34.33 | atlanta | yea u need sp3 for it to work |
21:34.33 | jcrawford | i believe it is sftp |
21:35.04 | destinal | jcrawford: dropbear doesnt' support sftp by itself, you need the sftp-server component from something like openssh |
21:35.14 | rwhitby | socketbind: there are no palm officials in this channel |
21:35.19 | jcrawford | i have openssh installed |
21:35.35 | destinal | jcrawford: ah. then I would think it should work |
21:35.44 | jcrawford | but i did not install anything other than openssh |
21:35.45 | destinal | never tried |
21:36.01 | jcrawford | you mentioned a sftp-server bit =is that extra install? |
21:36.21 | rwhitby | jcrawford: ipkg-opt install openssh-sftp-server |
21:36.53 | jcrawford | ok installed |
21:37.00 | jcrawford | sick |
21:37.01 | jcrawford | thanks |
21:37.05 | jcrawford | worked like a charm |
21:38.04 | destinal | ah didn't realize it wasn't included in base openssh server in optware |
21:38.30 | rwhitby | scp is included, not sftp |
21:38.41 | atlanta | grrr me and eclipse not getting alone |
21:39.15 | jcrawford | so theoretically anyone could write a new service for the pre |
21:40.02 | rwhitby | jcrawford: we already do |
21:40.07 | jcrawford | nice |
21:40.13 | jcrawford | what ya have brewing? |
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21:40.46 | rwhitby | http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.services |
21:40.53 | MoMail | drnull: thanks for the info, somewher to start looking at least |
21:41.17 | rwhitby | jcrawford: Sargun and PreGame created a shell command service |
21:41.30 | jcrawford | anyone working on a terminal app |
21:41.37 | jcrawford | so that I could ssh into my home server from the pre etc. |
21:41.45 | jcrawford | my boss is really interested in that functionality |
21:41.50 | rwhitby | jcrawford: you've read the wiki page on that already? |
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21:42.07 | jcrawford | rwhitby: i saw something about using ssh through the browser not sure if that is what you mean |
21:42.21 | drnull | MoMail: also, luna-send -n 10 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/install '{"target":"/tmp/pkgl.ipk", "subscribed":true}' returns "FAILED_PACKAGEFILE_CORRUPT". This is the install method that findapps uses. |
21:44.15 | bpadalino|work | CORRUPT! |
21:44.30 | rwhitby | bpadalino|work: huh? |
21:44.31 | drnull | aye |
21:44.37 | rwhitby | oh |
21:47.30 | MoMail | does anyone know the stats for how many users upgrade when prompted? i guess it must be close to 100% right? |
21:47.51 | jcrawford | i upgraded :) |
21:48.14 | rwhitby | MoMail: Palm forces you to upgrade unless you hack the code. |
21:48.25 | rwhitby | (or keep your battery under 30%) |
21:48.37 | MoMail | oh really i thought i got a prompt asking if i wanted it or not |
21:48.51 | rwhitby | you do for a couple of times, then it's forced |
21:48.56 | MoMail | oh ok |
21:48.58 | MoMail | lol |
21:49.16 | drnull | bpadalino|work: huh, I captured a valid .ipk file from the download process, and it installs just peachy using the appinstaller/install method. Sad. I guess we just don't know how to sign them properly? |
21:49.18 | MoMail | good to know, and they seem to be pretty quick to release patches |
21:50.05 | jcrawford | wow ssh over EVDO is slow eh |
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21:52.11 | jcrawford | is there a way to make it so your pre does not go to sleep when there is an active ssh session? |
21:52.31 | socketbind | bye |
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21:53.59 | jcrawford | rwhitby: do you know if that is possible? |
21:54.52 | rwhitby | jcrawford: I don't have a Pre |
21:54.59 | jcrawford | :( |
21:55.17 | jcrawford | in general is there a way to make a linux system not go to sleep if there is an active ssh connection heh :D |
21:56.40 | mdklein | a linux system, or a palm pre? :-p |
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21:57.04 | rwhitby | apt-get remove apmd ? |
21:57.19 | rwhitby | (for a linux system, not a Pre) |
21:57.38 | mdklein | if your screen is on, everything woken up, you can turn off the power daemon by, "initctl stop powerd" |
21:57.51 | mdklein | but if you do that and your device is asleep, it won't turn back on |
22:02.19 | FreeTim3 | jcrawford: you can play mp3 and then dim the screen with power button to same effect |
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22:08.52 | drnull | crap, I have to go and I can't keep playing with this installer stuff. Wait, I know. |
22:08.56 | drnull | infobot: dual |
22:08.57 | infobot | ACTION clones drnull, to the horror of everyone else on the channel |
22:09.04 | sam1am | So has anyone discovered what Apple did exactly to break iTunes syncing? |
22:09.17 | rwhitby | hmm - the webos forums have a section entitled "Techniques and Tutorials" which says "A place for you to talk about your favorite hacks, programming techniques and to create tutorials and contribute to the common knowledgebase for those writing software for webOS." |
22:09.37 | rwhitby | maybe we should contribute some hacks there ... |
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22:16.45 | Robi_ | http://www.salling.com/MediaSync/windows/ to continue syncing your pre |
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22:23.15 | destinal | rwhitby: I'd join the forum but I think you have to accept the EULA |
22:24.05 | destinal | and test permitted or not I don't like the distribution clause and a couple other minor things |
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22:37.07 | MoMail | infobot: 1.0.3 |
22:37.08 | infobot | 1 |
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22:49.11 | destinal | infobot: random |
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22:51.12 | MoMail | anyone know where i can get an 1.0.3 install package or image? |
22:53.09 | destinal | infobot: doctor |
22:53.09 | infobot | hmm... doctor is Dr Who a renegade Time Lord who travels through time and space in this Tardis (cleverly disguised as a police box) fighting evil in all its forms and kicking some serious ass |
22:53.24 | destinal | I really hate to change that one |
22:53.25 | destinal | http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-doctor-versions |
22:53.34 | MoMail | yeah read that |
22:53.38 | Lurking_Grue | infobot: tardis |
22:53.39 | infobot | hmm... tardis is Dr Who's time machine/spaceship, which, due to an accident looks like a UK police telephone box, TARDIS stands for "Time And Relative Dimensions In Space (Doctor Who TV series)" |
22:53.47 | MoMail | searching for the 1.0.3 jar file in google but no luck :( |
22:53.51 | destinal | MoMail: you can't get 1.0.3 |
22:53.55 | destinal | only 1.0.4 |
22:54.08 | Lurking_Grue | Infobot: xyzzy |
22:54.09 | infobot | twice as much happens |
22:54.17 | Lurking_Grue | laughs. |
22:54.58 | rwhitby | updates http://ipkg.webos-internals.org/ with a no-compete notice. |
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23:00.04 | MoMail | thanks destinal, i was hoping someone somewhere was secretly saving all these images and could help me out :( damn |
23:00.27 | destinal | many people are saving the images for their own backup but we can't redistribute them |
23:00.36 | destinal | copyright law |
23:00.39 | MoMail | sure i understand that of course |
23:00.53 | MoMail | it even says it clearly on the web page |
23:00.54 | destinal | but save your 1.0.4 for when 1.0.5 comes out :) |
23:00.58 | MoMail | yeah |
23:01.01 | MoMail | exqactly ;) |
23:01.03 | rwhitby | MoMail: why do you want that particular version? |
23:01.07 | MoMail | if only i had known earlier |
23:01.17 | rwhitby | we haven't been locked out of anything yet |
23:02.19 | MoMail | i want to investigate one aspect in particular, the install via email link vulnerability, i want to know what exact changes palm made to the code to fix that issue |
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23:03.16 | destinal | well some of it could have been binary changes |
23:03.20 | rwhitby | MoMail: ask tharris- |
23:03.44 | rwhitby | he's our palm security vulnerability expert :-) |
23:03.51 | MoMail | :D |
23:04.48 | MoMail | ok will do thanks, i pressume he's the same guy who was credited with helping palm with 1.0.4 : http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html |
23:04.58 | rwhitby | yep |
23:05.14 | destinal | infobot: action me |
23:05.15 | infobot | bonks destinal over the head |
23:05.33 | rwhitby | infobot: botsnack |
23:05.33 | infobot | thanks, rwhitby |
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23:12.43 | tmzt | rwhitby: de: can infobot remeber things per channel? |
23:13.13 | destinal | infobot: infobot |
23:13.14 | infobot | from memory, infobot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
23:19.17 | Lurking_Grue | infobot: why? |
23:19.58 | destinal | infobot: uc because |
23:20.35 | Lurking_Grue | Cute. |
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23:22.12 | destinal | plugins are a work in progress. More information is available on the wiki at http://predev.wikidot.com/browser-plugins |
23:22.19 | destinal | infobot: plugins |
23:23.00 | destinal | infobot: hello |
23:23.01 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
23:23.23 | destinal | infobot: plugins |
23:23.27 | sugardave | infobot: pulgins |
23:23.33 | sugardave | typo check |
23:23.34 | sugardave | :) |
23:23.37 | destinal | lol |
23:23.43 | destinal | I guess it doesn't like me |
23:24.35 | tmzt | destinal: you probably have to address it |
23:24.59 | rwhitby | infobot: plugins are a work in progress. More information is available on the wiki at http://predev.wikidot.com/browser-plugins |
23:25.00 | infobot | okay, rwhitby |
23:25.04 | rwhitby | ~plugins |
23:25.05 | infobot | plugins are a work in progress. More information is available on the wiki at http://predev.wikidot.com/browser-plugins |
23:25.08 | destinal | ah, cool |
23:25.20 | destinal | I thought it could pick things up in context of normal conversation though |
23:25.31 | destinal | or is that turned off |
23:25.53 | rwhitby | I hate bots that speak before they are spoken to. |
23:26.57 | destinal | like that the cool thing was that it could just listen and regurgitate something useful later even though we were talking to each other when it learned it |
23:27.11 | destinal | if we have to teach it things by hand, that's not a big deal though |
23:28.01 | destinal | just not quite as useful |
23:29.01 | destinal | ideally learning should be everything spoken and retrieval only when adressed |
23:29.10 | PuffTheMagic | this lack of PContext.h sucks! |
23:29.25 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: no kidding. |
23:29.58 | jauderho | alrighty. time to try this compile |
23:31.11 | destinal | infobot: who is zaphod? |
23:31.12 | infobot | hmm... zaphod is just this guy, you know? |
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23:31.58 | destinal | is irresistibly drawn to shiny toys -- sorry for the noise. |
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23:40.50 | jauderho | is anyone still on 1.0.3? |
23:40.54 | jauderho | by any chance? |
23:41.53 | sugardave | haven't we passed the point in time where it gets forced to people that haven't updated yet, or no? |
23:42.10 | sugardave | 1.0.4 I mean |
23:42.59 | destinal | it's easy to reflash 1.0.3 if you have it |
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23:48.03 | jauderho | no I just want someone to run a grep for me if they are stll running 1.0.3 |
23:48.22 | tilted | i am running 1.0.3 |
23:48.45 | jauderho | awesome, can you do a grep NO_HZ on /boot/config* for me and post the output? |
23:48.55 | tilted | standby |
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23:50.21 | tilted | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
23:50.52 | tilted | that's it. is that what you were looking for? |
23:51.17 | jauderho | okay thanks. |
23:51.19 | jauderho | yes. |
23:51.32 | jauderho | so tickless has been enabled for a while |
23:52.48 | jauderho | not sure why Palm decided not to enable CONFIG_PREEMPT |
23:53.53 | destinal | wow huge power savings in tickless apparently. I had no idea. |
23:54.03 | tmzt | it might be easier/more worth it to port sirloin stuff to latest beagle/linux-omap kernel |
23:54.17 | raeb | tickless? |
23:54.20 | raeb | so no lime disease? |
23:54.31 | destinal | lol |
23:55.08 | tmzt | other than lcd init and the i2c devices there doesn't seem to be much that's pre specific |
23:55.24 | tmzt | most of the patch is omap stuff that wasn't in 2.6.24 |
23:55.43 | destinal | tmzt: which is now mainline? |
23:56.14 | destinal | infobot: kernel |
23:56.27 | tmzt | linux-omap tree has omap3 support |
23:56.40 | tmzt | well, each of those in a way |
23:56.50 | tmzt | the closer you get to tip the better |
23:57.08 | tmzt | as staying current is easier from their |
23:57.37 | destinal | yeah so has anyone tried cutting down the patches and building 2.6.30 / 31 |
23:57.44 | destinal | relying on its OMAP support |
23:58.19 | raeb | >B |
23:58.20 | destinal | if we can come up with a cleanly applying patch to a later linux kernel it'll make things simpler to manage |
23:58.28 | raeb | those r suposta be scissors |
23:58.38 | destinal | infobot: scissors |
23:58.39 | infobot | rock, I win. |
23:58.41 | tmzt | I wouldn't mess with the patch, just take the board and the i2c chip drivers |
23:58.52 | tmzt | add them to Makefiles/Kconfig |
23:59.12 | raeb | doesn't seem fair |
23:59.13 | destinal | oh they're whole source files |
23:59.25 | tmzt | yeah |
23:59.35 | raeb | playing rock paper scissors in a request response fasion |
23:59.45 | destinal | raeb: yeahl ol |