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09:48.39Repo10rmetlib: 03rmet0815 * r6 RMetLib.mod: game version 1.3.0
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10:05.40Computerpunk:D
10:37.29ratty2has anyone released a decent castbar.. I had a altered version of SNTbar.. but it stopped working.
10:39.12ComputerpunkIt's not working?
10:39.22ComputerpunkThe released version?
10:39.24ComputerpunkWut?
10:39.28ratty2my altered version
10:39.36Computerpunkdunar told me wut to fix. o_o
10:39.40Computerpunkoh
10:39.42Computerpunk:p
10:40.06ratty2I wanted it a different length
10:41.25Computerpunkhmmm
10:41.28ratty2what needed fixing
10:41.29Computerpunksaved vars ain't working?
10:41.29Computerpunklol
10:41.35Computerpunkwell, the last parameter
10:41.39Computerpunkwas the average latency
10:41.43Computerpunknow it's showing or not
10:41.50Computerpunkwhich kinda makes it weird
10:41.56Computerpunkwhen average latency is nil
10:41.59Computerpunkit doesn't work.
10:42.04ratty2it's just disapeared
10:42.57ratty2so what do I need to fix?
10:44.00Computerpunksec
10:44.19Computerpunklemme install it
10:44.35Computerpunkcause I don't have sub atm
10:44.59Computerpunkin the .lua
10:46.36Computerpunkfunction snt_castbar.show_castbar(id,channel,cast_time,latency)
10:46.41Computerpunk<PROTECTED>
10:46.52Computerpunkfunction snt_castbar.hide_castbar(cancel,queue_call)
10:47.04Computerpunktimer.latency = 0 -> --timer.latency = 0
10:47.11Computerpunkadd latency = 0 in that function
10:47.22Computerpunkkinda all
10:47.47Computerpunkit wouldn't work cause of number - boolean operations
10:58.34ratty2that worked
10:59.07Computerpunk:p
10:59.27ComputerpunkHave fun.
10:59.34ratty2think I've got SOR working again
11:01.24Computerpunkgoodie
11:01.39ComputerpunkI didn't get why
11:01.45Computerpunkthey changed the 4th parameter
11:01.47Computerpunkto showing or not
11:01.49Computerpunkit's pretty weird
11:01.54Computerpunkalso, any updated WARDiff?
11:02.16ratty2how does the new zone work?
11:04.22ComputerpunkI don't know
11:04.24ComputerpunkDon't have an acc.
11:04.24Computerpunk<_<
11:04.27Computerpunkactive sub*
11:04.40Computerpunkyou farm some special resources
11:04.41ComputerpunkI suppose
11:04.51Computerpunk*playing wow on a private server, damn me*
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14:40.33ratty2Yay new version of SoR up... Fingers crossed it will sort out the BO issues
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16:04.45AlequeAiiane hello
16:04.59AlequeI am trying to get Squared to work but no luck
16:05.07AlequeI have tried following your guide on the net
16:05.42Alequethe squares won't fade, when players are far away, even with the script and the restart afterwards
16:06.48Alequemy Squared version is: v3.7.2 Build 226, and my game is fully updated
16:06.59Alequeand Squares it the only mod I use atm
16:07.04AlequeSquared*
16:09.02AlequeHelp me Aiiane-Kenobi. You are my only hope!
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16:21.26WikkiFizzle2ratsug in here at all?
16:53.10Alequeplease anyone
17:04.06AiianeAleque: what 'restart afterwards'?
17:06.34nicoli_sAiiane, are you on the AionArmory? saw someone with yer name posting comments, wanted to see if it was you
17:06.42Aiianenicoli_s: yes
17:06.59Aiianeit's tied into curse account, isn't it?
17:07.34nicoli_syeah duh, didnt think about that
17:07.43nicoli_syou liking aion?
17:08.46AlequeI mean restarting the game
17:08.59AiianeAleque: restarting the game resets the issue with the alert texts
17:09.18Alequewell - it doesn't work, no matter what
17:09.23AlequeI spammed that script
17:09.25Aiianeare you checking the boxes
17:09.26Alequenothing helps
17:09.33AlequeI am clicking them
17:09.34Aiianethe script only makes the options available properly
17:09.53Alequeonly the moment I click a box, it greys out and says "out of range"
17:09.56Aiianeclicking them, hitting apply... do you see the yellow notifications when you try to target someone
17:10.09Aiianeyes, that's what it should be doing?
17:10.34Aiianeif you're trying to get the squares to fade automatically without trying to target them, that's not possible
17:10.43Aiianethe WAR API doesn't have the capability for that
17:11.01Alequehmmm
17:11.09Aiianerange/los can only be checked for the targeted unit
17:11.15Aiiane(or the one attempting to be targeted)
17:11.21Alequeso then I guess I have to click 10 of my dying players just to find out that they are OOR
17:11.43AiianeSquared does the best it can with what is allowed :|
17:11.51Aiianeif someone is continuously out of range
17:11.56Aiianethey will stay faded for longer
17:12.12Aiiane(the time approximately doubles each try)
17:12.25Alequeit sucks.. I know WAR is not WoW, but I am used to a similar addons which updates realtime
17:12.33Aiianeyes I know
17:12.38Aiianebut the API is different :)
17:12.44Aiianethe one in WoW could not check LoS either :)
17:12.58Alequehealing becomes really dull if the bars are not auto updated
17:13.11AiianeI dunno, I find the opposite to be true :P
17:13.29AiianeBut really the best method is to be aware of your surroundings and not rely 100% on bars
17:14.16Alequei feel like I wasted hours trying to find a solution to something that doesn't exist
17:14.27Aiianesorry to hear that :S
17:14.59Alequestill I appreciate the effort
17:15.05Alequeof making Squared
17:15.53AlequeI have been playing WAR for only a bit over a week, and first now I begin to notice the flaws of the game
17:15.58Alequelike the technical ones
17:27.47WikkiFizzleNot really a technical flaw.  It promotes increased teamwork and coordination to stay in range.
17:27.58WikkiFizzleRather than a continous whack-a-mole
17:37.44AiianeAleque: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296747
17:37.50Aiianewhen I say "it's not possible"
17:37.54AiianeI don't just mean for Squared
17:37.58AiianeI mean it's not possible; period
17:38.04Alequeok
17:38.10Aiianethe WAR API doesn't allow it, and all addons are limited to the API
17:38.38Alequesucks that Mythic didn't test their code properly
17:38.42Aiiane??
17:38.44Alequewhen designing that API
17:38.50Aiianewho said they didn't test it?
17:38.53Aiianeit's a design decision
17:38.57Alequewith those restrictions
17:39.07Aiianejust because you don't like it doesn't make it a bug
17:39.38Alequewell, when you build a house, you make sure that a foundation is stable - looks like their planning phase wasn't as thorough as, say Blizzard's
17:39.48Aiianeagain, I have to disagree there
17:40.04Aiianeautomatic fading is a luxury, not a core functionality
17:40.25Alequeluxury is what makes people stay with some games longer :)
17:40.30Alequesome people*
17:40.45Aiianebut not a "failure to test properly"
17:40.52AlequeWoW might be a sucky game, but damn I loved their UI and mods
17:40.55Aiianeso please don't over-dramatize the issue
17:41.54Alequewell - when I am on the battlefield and have to prioritize, whom to heal, over the other ones, I have to click several times, and that is futile
17:42.09Alequethat is not over-dramatization - that is a significant issue imo
17:42.10WikkiFizzleHave those team mates learn teamwork and stay near their healer
17:42.11Aiianeor you could actually look at the battlefield
17:42.15Aiianeyou know
17:42.19Aiianethat other 90% of the screen
17:42.23Aiianethat isn't hp bars
17:42.49Alequemy gameplay is irrelevant
17:43.07Alequeand how I play the game, is my business too
17:43.24Alequeand I don't blame anyone - I just say, that imo - that is a flaw
17:43.25Aiianeokay, the 'theoretical healer who is trying to heal people and clicking 10 times' could look at the battlefield
17:43.45Alequewhy
17:43.56Computerpunk[20:39] <@Aiiane> that other 90% of the screen
17:43.56Computerpunk[20:39] <@Aiiane> that isn't hp bars
17:43.57ComputerpunkSO TRUE
17:44.01Computerpunk5 hours
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17:44.03Alequewhy should I look at the battlefield.. what if the target is behind me
17:44.07ComputerpunkAND I'M OFF TO GERMANEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
17:44.10ComputerpunkWOOHOOOO
17:44.14Aiianebecause situational awareness is a skill?
17:44.15WikkiFizzleHave fun CP
17:44.20ComputerpunkTy.
17:44.20Computerpunk:3
17:44.22Aiianeand games should promote playing with skill
17:44.24WikkiFizzleHave some foods for us!
17:44.28Aiianeas opposed to playing whackamole on hp bars
17:44.31Alequeor what if I should focus on the HP bars rather than trying to keep track of 10 running-around players
17:44.32Computerpunk:3
17:44.34ComputerpunkWill do.
17:44.36ComputerpunkAnd some nice drinks.
17:44.40ComputerpunkSome Champagne or smth.
17:44.53ComputerpunkI fancy extravagant parties.
17:44.59ComputerpunkEven though I'm only 16 years old.
17:45.00Computerpunk-.-
17:45.01AlequeAiiane why are you making Squared? Why not just use standard UI - because that would be a pure skill
17:45.07Computerpunk-.-
17:45.10AlequeI use addons, to make my life easier
17:45.11ComputerpunkBecause she can.
17:45.12Aiianeif you are 'focusing on hp bars' you're already limiting yourself
17:45.20ComputerpunkHey Aleque.
17:45.29Aiianedue to not having a situational awareness that lets you know someone is going to take damage /before/ they get hit
17:45.30ComputerpunkIf she hadn't written AddOns, you would have almost none byn ow.
17:45.42ComputerpunkShe lay the foundation for all the war.curse.com
17:45.50Computerpunklaid*
17:46.12Alequeshe? hmm ok :)
17:46.22ComputerpunkSrsly, if you continue bashing her, I'll come over to your place and rape you.
17:46.25AiianeIf you really want an answer though Aleque
17:46.36AiianeI made Squared so I could look at HP bars less.
17:46.39AlequeI could discuss this for hours
17:46.40AiianeYes, "less"
17:46.46Alequeand this discussion would not end
17:46.56ComputerpunkAiiane, wstring or string?
17:46.56Computerpunk:D
17:47.13Aiianeif it were a wstring it'd have an L on it Computerpunk
17:47.18ComputerpunkDamn!
17:47.18Alequewell I have only had this game for 1 week or so
17:47.18Computerpunk:3
17:47.21ComputerpunkSO TRUE
17:48.00Alequeno offence, but I didn't know that girls make addons :D
17:48.08AiianeI've been healing in MMOs for what.... 8 years now?
17:48.13Aiianesomething like that
17:48.34ComputerpunkIt's not necessarily making AddOns
17:48.40Computerpunkbut coding
17:48.42Computerpunkand lots of girls code.
17:48.53ComputerpunkTbh, the 3rd place in the national contest was a girl.
17:48.57Computerpunk2nd place was me.
17:49.02ComputerpunkAnd 1st was some lucky guy lol.
17:49.09Alequebut seriously - you can't justify the lack of Mythics API with the alligedly skill, that someone might lack of not being "aware enough" of the battlefield.
17:49.45Alequelooks like the evolution is catching up faster than expected
17:49.48Computerpunkwell then
17:49.53Computerpunkthis is not a place to whine about this
17:49.56Computerpunkpost it on the official forums
17:49.57AiianeI can justify Mythic's API with design decisions.
17:50.09Computerpunkand get bashed by the whole community telling you to buzz off
17:50.10Computerpunk:D
17:50.15AlequeI am not whining. I am telling the facts of my point of view
17:50.42ComputerpunkTo me and to the rest of 99.9% of the globe it looks like whine.
17:50.43Computerpunko_O
17:51.36Aleque1) speak for yourself 2) I don't recall speaking to you in the first place :) 3) if you say that girls are so mighty, why are you standing up to one right now?
17:52.41WikkiFizzleAleque, we should probably add that Aii and I both play healers as our mains
17:52.47ComputerpunkSame with me.
17:52.48Alequebut as I said.. I could discuss this virtual ego battle of relative opinions, for hours
17:52.56Aiiane(10:48:53) Aleque: looks like the evolution is catching up faster than expected
17:53.01Aiianewhat was that supposed to mean
17:53.27Alequethat women are becoming undependant of men
17:53.35Alequeevolutionary speaking
17:53.58Aiiane...
17:54.02Computerpunklol.
17:55.25Alequelook how far off-topic this discussion has gone
17:55.33ComputerpunkI saw that.
17:55.37AlequeI am glad I am a casual player who avoid guilds in MMO's
17:55.44AiianeI'm going to hope that was simply a case of poor expression due to language differences.
17:56.11ComputerpunkOhshi--...
17:56.23ComputerpunkI think you hit a wrong one there Aleque.
17:56.44Alequesounds like I've hurt you - was not my intention, but then again.. discussing over chat never brings you anywhere
17:57.22Alequebut.. I am simply answering to what has been served
17:57.36Alequeand I didn't even start this discussion.. all I did was make a topic
17:58.00Alequeyou could just have replied there in stead of preaching about my lack of overview
17:59.02Alequethanks for your lovely conversation
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17:59.16AiianeGood riddance.
17:59.19ComputerpunkYeah.
17:59.23ComputerpunkDon't be pissed srsly.
17:59.28ComputerpunkNo reason to be angry on some /b/tard
18:01.10ComputerpunkBe happy, you're getting rid of me for one week.
18:01.10Computerpunk:D
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18:23.21ratty2I'm around now WF
18:29.18ratty2damn I missed baiting the stupid troll...
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18:55.32NerfedWarHi all, anyone know of a website where I can do a fulltext serach of all ability descriptions? I need to get a list of all snare and root abilities
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22:01.20RepoNew project: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/fight-finder/. Fight Finder. Werit (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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23:03.02ComputerpunkONE HOUUUUUR
23:03.08Computerpunk<3
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