| 00:03.09 | encaitar | yay |
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| 01:00.15 | Repo | 10equip-sets: 03amirabiri2 * r15 / (4 files in 2 directories): Added a lib dir for libraries. |
| 01:00.20 | Repo | Added LibStub and AceTimer and modified .mod to include them. |
| 01:06.49 | Repo | 10equip-sets: 03amirabiri2 * r16 / (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 01:06.52 | Repo | A bit of a rewrite: |
| 01:06.57 | Repo | - Replaced the event mechanism code with a cleaner one. |
| 01:07.01 | Repo | - Changed the morale and tactics logic to be "built-in" into the main switch logic rather than event-based. |
| 01:07.06 | Repo | - Slightly modified the equip logic to allow correct handling of multiple instances of the same item. |
| 01:23.11 | Repo | 10equip-sets: 03amirabiri2 * r17 EquipmentSets.lua: Removed some debugging code. |
| 01:39.56 | Repo | 10equip-sets: 03amirabiri2 * r18 EquipmentSets.lua: |
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| 01:40.02 | Repo | Fixed a small bug caused by left over debugging code from the previous commit. |
| 01:54.03 | amirabiri2 | argh |
| 01:54.36 | amirabiri2 | Why does WAR wipe out my addon's settings when I upgrade it from v1.0.10 to v1.0.11 ?? |
| 01:58.56 | Valkea | it wipeout all addon datas when you change the version number in the mod file |
| 01:59.49 | Valkea | i mean all the datas of the changed addon ( i beg pardon about my english again ) |
| 02:01.48 | amirabiri2 | I see... :-\ |
| 02:02.26 | Valkea | so we can't change the version number.... |
| 02:03.20 | Valkea | but hey... this is a good way to reset all the data of all your addon users hehe xD |
| 02:09.18 | amirabiri2 | well I've put a lot of effort into making it backwards compatible inside the same minor version... :-\ |
| 02:09.24 | Valkea | Oo what did they changed on Europ servers those 3 last days ? I can't /reload anymore without crashing |
| 02:09.36 | Valkea | erf sorry about that |
| 02:09.46 | amirabiri2 | But at least now I know :-) |
| 02:09.51 | amirabiri2 | It's not your fault :-) |
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| 02:11.03 | Repo | 10equip-sets: 03amirabiri2 * r19 EquipmentSets.mod: |
| 02:11.07 | Repo | Changed the version number in the mod file to the major only. |
| 02:12.23 | Repo | 10equip-sets: 03amirabiri2 04v1.0.11 * r20 : Created 1.0.11 release |
| 02:33.50 | art3mis | someone needs to make an addon that targets stunties and then uses your punt skills ;) |
| 02:35.19 | amirabiri2 | lol |
| 02:35.51 | amirabiri2 | Only problem is that Greenskins are too stupid to build addons... |
| 02:38.27 | Valkea | bye :) |
| 03:07.34 | Repo | 10vaultlogger: 03curious_jp * r1 .hgtags: Tagging. |
| 04:07.32 | encaitar | Was there a patch or hot fix today? |
| 04:09.48 | Aiiane | not afaik |
| 04:10.14 | encaitar | my warhammer install got corrupted, second time it's happened. First time i blamed the patcher. |
| 04:11.41 | encaitar | I have a backup on an external drive though, restoring it now. |
| 04:12.19 | Aiiane | define 'corrupted'? |
| 04:12.39 | encaitar | I click play on the patcher, I get a black screen for about 1 second, then back to desktop |
| 04:13.28 | Aiiane | cute. you might try just restoring WAR.exe and nothing else first |
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| 04:17.44 | encaitar1 | That didn't help, but the full restore does. I kept my user and interface folders so I don't really lose anything. |
| 04:21.27 | Aiiane | you might try just deleting the contents of the cache folder if it happens again, and seeing if that helps |
| 04:21.43 | Aiiane | or if possible, add things in bit by bit, and see what exactly was borked |
| 04:21.45 | encaitar1 | I'll give that a shot |
| 04:21.54 | encaitar1 | because the full file check doesn't help at all either |
| 04:22.20 | encaitar1 | hopefully it just doesn't happen again though :) |
| 04:22.45 | Aiiane | the full file check mostly just seems to check if files are missing |
| 04:22.53 | encaitar1 | Yeah |
| 04:23.11 | encaitar1 | It does wipe the hack that removes the intro movies too |
| 04:26.21 | encaitar1 | Is there an easy way to check if the warband you are in is open? |
| 04:26.30 | encaitar1 | in the api I mean |
| 04:26.54 | Aiiane | um |
| 04:27.07 | Aiiane | look at the battlegroupwindow module's code |
| 04:27.12 | Aiiane | if there is, that's where it'd be |
| 04:27.19 | encaitar1 | yeah |
| 04:27.30 | encaitar1 | didn't see it |
| 04:27.56 | encaitar1 | right now I'm just scanning open groups for one with the same leader |
| 04:28.02 | encaitar1 | but that doesn't work if he's in another zone |
| 04:33.26 | encaitar1 | Plus the fact there isn't anything in the default windows to indicate if the warband is open or not ... doesn't seem hopeful. |
| 04:34.07 | Aiiane | you think that's bad |
| 04:34.15 | Aiiane | try attempting to figure out who the warband leader is :P |
| 04:34.44 | encaitar1 | heh, I'm just taking first name in first group. |
| 04:36.57 | encaitar1 | It's not always the case, but usually is. |
| 05:07.23 | Valkea | good night / day :) |
| 05:07.30 | Aiiane | night Valkea |
| 05:07.39 | Aiiane | or whatever :P |
| 05:07.52 | Valkea | time to sleep yes ;) |
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| 05:49.12 | Repo | 10ndevtools: 03Nemes * r10 source/nDevTools.lua: Add sorting facility: name, rank, rarity, type |
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| 05:50.32 | Repo | 10nlootlink: 03Nemes 041.1.6-beta * r51 : Add sorting facility: name, rank, rarity, type |
| 05:56.25 | Repo | 10ndevtools: 03Nemes * r11 source/nDevTools.lua: Revert accidental commit |
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| 06:28.56 | amirabiri2 | When you form a group, it gives you a message saying if the group is open or not in the chat window |
| 06:29.05 | amirabiri2 | could there be something there? |
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| 07:27.24 | encaitar1 | Telling if a group is open is easy. warbands not so much. |
| 09:09.16 | amirabiri2 | Does anyone happen to know |
| 09:09.34 | amirabiri2 | how to get the icon of the basic pet abilities (i.e attack / stay / follow ) |
| 09:09.47 | amirabiri2 | GetAbilityData doesn't seem to work for them |
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| 09:22.23 | Iphitos | hi @ all |
| 09:37.36 | Iphitos | is there anyone out there who could perhaps help me with a question? |
| 09:52.41 | amirabiri2 | depends on the question :-) |
| 09:53.48 | Iphitos | what could be the reason why my SavedVariables are not saved at all? There is no SavedVariables.lua in the corresponding directory in user\interface\AllCharacters... |
| 09:55.36 | amirabiri2 | open the debug window and look for error messages |
| 09:55.46 | Iphitos | none :) |
| 09:55.53 | amirabiri2 | OK |
| 09:56.18 | amirabiri2 | saved variables are only saved on logout and reload |
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| 09:56.37 | amirabiri2 | Is that it ? |
| 09:56.43 | Iphitos | yes :) and I have reloaded the ui like 400 times :) |
| 09:57.14 | Iphitos | I have also made a real tiny Addon that simply does nothing but save a variable... which it does not *g* |
| 09:57.16 | amirabiri2 | Well other than I typo I can't offer any more ideas :-) |
| 09:57.36 | Iphitos | i am cursed :) |
| 09:58.05 | amirabiri2 | Sorry :-) perhaps later one of the more experienced guys (or girl) will be online |
| 09:58.24 | Iphitos | thanks anyway :) |
| 09:59.08 | oblique | wow this chat room has really died down |
| 10:02.17 | Iphitos | grmblfx... sometimes one just needs to review his own code the next day... |
| 10:03.45 | Iphitos | one reason why SAvedVariables that are listed in the .mod file are not saved is: you were silly enough to have another <SavedVariables /> further down the .mod file |
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| 10:06.04 | amirabiri2 | :-) |
| 10:06.07 | amirabiri2 | I know the feeling |
| 10:06.14 | Iphitos | *g* |
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| 11:23.50 | amirabiri2 | So basically Mythic never heard of MVC or of clean coding.. |
| 11:24.00 | amirabiri2 | One big pile of hacks... |
| 11:24.26 | gutgut_ | as usual |
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| 14:28.04 | Valkea | hello |
| 14:28.39 | Repo | 10ttitan: 03Oscarr * r145 Data (3 files in 1 directory): Bestiary Updates courtesy of Benji |
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| 15:52.35 | art3mis | hey gutgut |
| 15:53.09 | art3mis | odwc spams You are already a memeber of that chat channel. |
| 15:56.55 | art3mis | gutgut: might wanna update teh version in the .mod as well and give it a proper name instead of 1ally ;) |
| 16:20.23 | amirabiri2 | does anyone know why... |
| 16:20.35 | amirabiri2 | GetWindowState returns dimensions of 0 / 0 |
| 16:20.40 | amirabiri2 | for the tooltip window |
| 16:20.43 | amirabiri2 | while it's showing |
| 16:20.46 | amirabiri2 | and it's not small |
| 16:25.22 | amirabiri2 | Never mind mystery solved: the tooltip window and the ability tooltip window are two different windows... |
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| 17:17.55 | amirabiri2 | Has anyone looked into LoyalPet ? |
| 17:23.13 | Aiiane | amirabiri2: did your question about basic pet abilities work itself out? |
| 17:24.51 | amirabiri2 | well I cheated |
| 17:25.05 | amirabiri2 | I took it from the pet action bar using GetHotbarIcon |
| 17:25.13 | amirabiri2 | However I'd much rather do it "properly" |
| 17:25.20 | amirabiri2 | If you know how |
| 17:25.56 | nicoli_s | if you kill a mob and you loot him and he only drops loot you roll for, does it show you the regular loot window? |
| 17:26.16 | encaitar1 | no |
| 17:26.31 | Aiiane | amirabiri2: they're not stored like normal abilities, they're just constants passed to CommandPet |
| 17:26.59 | Aiiane | let me look up the relevant enumeration |
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| 17:27.10 | amirabiri2 | yes I know I've intimately familiarized myself with all of that mess today |
| 17:27.29 | Aiiane | GameData.PetCommand yes |
| 17:27.40 | amirabiri2 | The problem is if you have the correct constant, how do you extract the icon for it ? |
| 17:28.05 | amirabiri2 | Actually they do have sort of corresopnding abilities |
| 17:28.23 | amirabiri2 | if you use GetHotbarData on the pet slots you'll see |
| 17:28.32 | Aiiane | actually, you're right, I was thinking of stances |
| 17:29.09 | amirabiri2 | Wow... we've reached the point where I was right and one of you guys is wrong.. and Aiiane no less... :-) |
| 17:29.09 | Aiiane | GetHotbarData() |
| 17:29.19 | Aiiane | is what the pet window uses |
| 17:29.30 | Aiiane | local currentActionType, currentActionId = GetHotbarData (slot) |
| 17:29.40 | amirabiri2 | Yes, it cheats too :-) |
| 17:29.50 | Aiiane | local abilityTable = Player.GetAbilityTable (GameData.AbilityType.PET) |
| 17:29.56 | Aiiane | that likely has an iconid |
| 17:30.08 | amirabiri2 | That only gives the abilities, without the basic commands |
| 17:30.13 | Aiiane | k |
| 17:30.41 | amirabiri2 | Also it's broken and it doesn't give you the abilities at the start of the game, only after you use the ability that "gives" those abilities |
| 17:30.46 | amirabiri2 | eventhough you don't need it |
| 17:30.49 | encaitar1 | Have you noticed a problem with GetAbilityTable when logging out and back in again? |
| 17:30.57 | amirabiri2 | YES !!! |
| 17:31.03 | Aiiane | define 'at the start of the game' |
| 17:31.03 | amirabiri2 | Thank you |
| 17:31.07 | amirabiri2 | What enc said |
| 17:31.12 | amirabiri2 | after login |
| 17:31.21 | Aiiane | how soon after login. |
| 17:31.29 | encaitar1 | When I was calling it in initialize, it was empty |
| 17:31.33 | encaitar1 | but only for a relog |
| 17:31.36 | amirabiri2 | even if I do it manually after the game starts |
| 17:31.37 | encaitar1 | not the first login |
| 17:31.58 | amirabiri2 | it remains empty |
| 17:32.09 | amirabiri2 | the funny thing is that a reload repopulates it correctly |
| 17:32.39 | amirabiri2 | otherwise it only gets populated when you use the ability that grants you those pet abilities |
| 17:32.41 | Aiiane | because a reload only resets the UI |
| 17:32.43 | Aiiane | not the client |
| 17:32.51 | Aiiane | all of that ability data is being streamed from the server |
| 17:32.58 | encaitar1 | I just called it when I was populating my list instead of initially and it worked fine there. |
| 17:33.34 | Aiiane | the server only tells you about abilities you can actually use |
| 17:33.42 | Aiiane | they didn't really want people datamining |
| 17:33.47 | amirabiri2 | Aiiane: which is exactly why you won't expect a reload to behave more correctly than a relog |
| 17:33.57 | Aiiane | amirabiri2: you don't understand reloads |
| 17:34.04 | Aiiane | they do not reset the entire client |
| 17:34.12 | Aiiane | they only reset the Lua/windowing portion |
| 17:34.20 | amirabiri2 | Aiiane you don't understand |
| 17:34.22 | Aiiane | the GAME portion is still pristine |
| 17:34.31 | Aiiane | and the game portion is what's holding that ability data |
| 17:34.37 | Aiiane | reloading doesn't change that |
| 17:34.46 | amirabiri2 | I know, listen to me: |
| 17:34.53 | amirabiri2 | If you log in, the table is empty |
| 17:35.16 | amirabiri2 | when you then do a reload, even if you have done anything to trigger population of that table, after the reload the table is populated |
| 17:35.29 | amirabiri2 | *haven't done anything |
| 17:35.43 | amirabiri2 | so basically the table is empty before the reload, but then gets repopulated by the reload |
| 17:35.51 | amirabiri2 | but on relog it doesn't happen, it stays empty |
| 17:35.53 | encaitar1 | For me, it was only on a relog that it was empty. First login was OK |
| 17:35.55 | Aiiane | are you sure you haven't made a mistake |
| 17:36.04 | Aiiane | in your observations |
| 17:36.05 | amirabiri2 | yes I've reproduced it multiple times |
| 17:36.13 | encaitar1 | I got the same thing |
| 17:36.22 | Aiiane | except backwards, no, encaitar1 ? |
| 17:36.26 | amirabiri2 | I was banging my head against it until I found that ugly workaround |
| 17:36.50 | amirabiri2 | basically the only way to reliably query the available pet commands is to query the pet action bar |
| 17:37.03 | Aiiane | I'm hearing conflicting reports from the two of you which leads me to believe something is still muddled |
| 17:37.24 | nicoli_s | is there any reason the loot roll window wouldnt show when yer in a party? i have rules set to round robin and threshold to all and still it doesnt show |
| 17:37.27 | encaitar1 | No, I think we're saying the same thing. |
| 17:37.30 | amirabiri2 | I didn't test first login, I only tested relogs |
| 17:37.43 | amirabiri2 | so there is no contradiction between what we're saying |
| 17:38.02 | amirabiri2 | relog ~= reload :-) |
| 17:38.12 | Aiiane | sorry, my mistake |
| 17:38.37 | Aiiane | relog seems to be iffy on data tables; it often still has the previous character's data set |
| 17:38.52 | Aiiane | (if switching characters) |
| 17:39.01 | amirabiri2 | really? |
| 17:39.03 | encaitar1 | Well, this was logging back in on the same character as well |
| 17:39.10 | amirabiri2 | yes same here |
| 17:39.29 | Aiiane | well the portion of that sentence before the semicolon applies in general |
| 17:39.30 | amirabiri2 | their code is really horrible you know...? :-) |
| 17:39.52 | Aiiane | show me a large-scale project that the code isn't horrible in some portion at the minimum |
| 17:40.14 | amirabiri2 | I'll show you one the day I'm fully in charge :-) |
| 17:40.20 | Aiiane | ....hahahha |
| 17:40.29 | nicoli_s | what about windows |
| 17:40.32 | Aiiane | no offense, but you either overestimate yourself, or underestimate the difficulties |
| 17:40.34 | amirabiri2 | ROFL |
| 17:40.40 | encaitar1 | Originally I was going to keep a copy of the tactic data I needed and update it with events, but now I just run GetAbilityTable whenever the window is shown and that works fine. |
| 17:40.51 | amirabiri2 | I'm half kidding Aiiane :-) |
| 17:40.56 | encaitar1 | Which is probably a much better idea anyway |
| 17:41.06 | Aiiane | if you were 'in charge' you would likely very rarely actually see much of the code in the first place |
| 17:41.24 | Aiiane | either that or you'd bog your entire team down nitpicking their code |
| 17:41.32 | amirabiri2 | First of - I am currently a team lead |
| 17:41.38 | amirabiri2 | So I know what I'm talking about |
| 17:41.40 | amirabiri2 | :-) |
| 17:41.50 | Aiiane | of how big of a team |
| 17:41.56 | Aiiane | doesnt need to be exact, just ballpark |
| 17:42.00 | amirabiri2 | 3 guys other than me |
| 17:42.08 | Aiiane | ok. slight difference of scale here |
| 17:42.13 | amirabiri2 | I know I know |
| 17:42.26 | amirabiri2 | But the principles are similar |
| 17:42.33 | Aiiane | the execution is vastly different |
| 17:42.50 | amirabiri2 | There are such things as "code review", "coding standards" |
| 17:42.52 | Aiiane | with a 4-person team, you can afford to take the time to review code on a fairly often basis |
| 17:43.07 | Aiiane | Mythic has those as well |
| 17:43.16 | amirabiri2 | yes, but from there on it's just a question of organization |
| 17:43.28 | Aiiane | which becomes more and more difficult, the larger things get |
| 17:43.32 | encaitar1 | That depends on how fast you need to turn things over. |
| 17:43.45 | amirabiri2 | Aiiane I'm aware of all of this, I'm not disagreeing with you :-) |
| 17:43.55 | amirabiri2 | Exactly |
| 17:44.02 | amirabiri2 | it's eventually down to business constraints |
| 17:44.08 | Aiiane | I just get tired of the snobbish remarks :| |
| 17:44.41 | amirabiri2 | Well if you knew me in person you'd know that I'm very critical, mostly of my own code |
| 17:44.50 | amirabiri2 | I'm more forgiving actually of other people's code |
| 17:45.06 | encaitar1 | company I used to work for tried code reviewing scripts as an extra QA step before they went live but it only lasted a few weeks, because half the jobs we got were due yesterday :) |
| 17:45.11 | amirabiri2 | And I know the constraints |
| 17:45.28 | amirabiri2 | I just think I have enough experience to tell when a better job could have been done |
| 17:45.42 | amirabiri2 | I can "smell" the problems in the team through reviewing the code |
| 17:45.49 | Aiiane | and I think that knowing the conditions is a necessary precondition to making that judgment |
| 17:45.49 | nicoli_s | anybody mind lending me a hand fixing a bug with wardb's CurseProfiler addon? i need somebody to group with |
| 17:45.59 | Aiiane | and you aren't in a position to know that information |
| 17:46.23 | amirabiri2 | afk |
| 17:47.18 | amirabiri2 | back |
| 17:47.37 | amirabiri2 | Well I think we should agree to disagree at this point :-) |
| 17:48.06 | nicoli_s | i think you should fight it out out back with broken beer bottles |
| 17:48.29 | amirabiri2 | I can't hit a woman... |
| 17:48.29 | amirabiri2 | o.O |
| 17:50.00 | encaitar1 | amira, there's one thing I would like to see on equipment sets and then it would be perfect in my eyes ... being able to name the sets. |
| 17:50.35 | amirabiri2 | Hey there are users of my addon here ?? |
| 17:50.39 | amirabiri2 | hehe :-) |
| 17:50.44 | amirabiri2 | Hello there |
| 17:50.46 | encaitar1 | :) |
| 17:50.58 | amirabiri2 | Yes I thought about it myself |
| 17:51.17 | nicoli_s | anyone for lending me a hand in game rq? |
| 17:51.33 | encaitar1 | What server/realm nicoli? |
| 17:51.34 | amirabiri2 | lol, sorry nicoli, what's the question again ? |
| 17:51.48 | nicoli_s | i just need someone to group with rq so i can fix wardb's loot bug |
| 17:52.07 | nicoli_s | doesn't matter which server, i can start a level 1 and we can just set the loot threshold low |
| 17:52.30 | encaitar1 | most of my characters are on order/volkmar. |
| 17:53.04 | nicoli_s | well do you mind making a level 1 with me so i can test this? |
| 17:53.08 | amirabiri2 | encaitar1: The problem is that the "requirements" are vague in my head still |
| 17:53.15 | amirabiri2 | i.e how shuold I do it |
| 17:53.28 | amirabiri2 | should I replace the dropdown with one that shows the names ? |
| 17:53.54 | amirabiri2 | How should the flip button behave |
| 17:54.06 | encaitar1 | Nah, keep that numbers, but have the mouseovers on 1, 2 and 3 as you are selecting show it. |
| 17:54.20 | amirabiri2 | hmm, similar to the tactics... |
| 17:54.26 | encaitar1 | Yeah |
| 17:54.34 | amirabiri2 | :-) |
| 17:54.37 | amirabiri2 | I like that |
| 17:54.50 | amirabiri2 | OK, into the TODO list... |
| 17:56.03 | amirabiri2 | done. so now it's only a matter of minutes... ( ... ) |
| 17:56.23 | encaitar1 | level 1 witch hunter telelbert |
| 17:56.57 | nicoli_s | thanks |
| 17:57.00 | encaitar1 | then you could have an option in the context menu that currently goes to the options for the actual naming. |
| 17:58.20 | nicoli_s | encaitar1, do you mind just having me on follow? i dunno how close you have to be to make the roll window appear |
| 17:58.35 | encaitar1 | sure |
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| 17:58.53 | encaitar1 | you need me to kill some stuff then? |
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| 18:05.40 | amirabiri2 | Is there a plan to LibStub LibSlash? |
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| 18:08.56 | Aiiane | its one of those things that's been bopping around on my todo list, looking into making libslash embedded |
| 18:09.16 | amirabiri2 | Is that something I can help with? |
| 18:09.37 | Aiiane | its not really something I need help with, I just need to make the time for it |
| 18:09.48 | amirabiri2 | That's the part I can help with :-) |
| 18:09.55 | Aiiane | and make a decision or two on exactly how I'm going to handle backwards-compat |
| 18:10.08 | Aiiane | the former isnt really the issue :P |
| 18:10.16 | amirabiri2 | I see :-) |
| 18:14.19 | Aiiane | I also really need to get WAR on one of the family desktops at home |
| 18:14.38 | Aiiane | it barely runs on my laptop, and while it's *possible* to test stuff at 5fps, its not exactly fun |
| 18:16.12 | amirabiri2 | Well I offering my services, you can always change you mind later :-) |
| 18:30.31 | MoronWar | Aiiane, you still around? |
| 18:31.13 | Aiiane | Nope, not here. What's up? |
| 18:31.26 | MoronWar | How do you pronouce Aiiane? |
| 18:32.03 | Aiiane | aye-ann |
| 18:32.10 | MoronWar | Sweet, thanks. |
| 18:32.25 | Aiiane | though I don't mind a couple of other pronounciations |
| 18:32.49 | MoronWar | I prefer the official one though :) |
| 18:33.06 | Aiiane | like "i-ya-nay' |
| 18:33.29 | MoronWar | Someone said, "Alright" but with an "n" instead of a "t" at the end. |
| 18:33.46 | MoronWar | Wait, no, they said "ight" with an n instead of a t |
| 18:35.06 | Aiiane | like 'eine'? |
| 18:35.21 | MoronWar | I think so. |
| 18:35.29 | MoronWar | I was confused so i didn't ask to clarify. |
| 18:35.32 | Aiiane | I know some people who pronounce it like that |
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| 18:39.03 | encaitar1 | Why ... |
| 18:39.13 | encaitar1 | junk characters in GameData.Player.name |
| 18:39.29 | Aiiane | 'junk', or grammar markup? |
| 18:39.41 | Aiiane | If you're referring to the ^F or ^M at the end |
| 18:39.44 | Aiiane | that's the grammar markup |
| 18:39.48 | encaitar1 | Oh |
| 18:40.12 | encaitar1 | I have to trim it to compare it with almost any other place the name pops up. |
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| 18:46.25 | encaitar1 | Aiiane, you were talking about finding warband leader earlier ... what's wrong with isGroupLeader in GatBattlegroupMemberData()? |
| 18:46.57 | Aiiane | maybe they finally patched it; it wasn't working properly before |
| 18:47.23 | encaitar1 | not working how? |
| 18:48.25 | Aiiane | like, not working, period |
| 18:48.36 | encaitar1 | always false? |
| 18:49.54 | encaitar1 | Well, it seems to be working now. Looking for another open wb to check. |
| 18:50.51 | Aiiane | ill update squared to use it in the next release then |
| 18:50.56 | encaitar1 | They did change things fairly recently in the default warband window so that only the leader has the crown when it used to be all 4 groups had a crown. |
| 18:51.27 | Aiiane | it used to not work for warband leader, it just checked individual group leader |
| 18:51.39 | Aiiane | which wasn't related to warband leader at all |
| 18:52.46 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r140 SquaredWarband.lua: Make warband display use the (hopefully now-functional) leader flag for warband data. |
| 18:53.06 | Aiiane | if you happen to use squared, feel free to pull that alpha off curseforge and check if it works |
| 18:53.24 | Aiiane | dont feel like spending 5+ minutes to load up war atm |
| 18:59.08 | encaitar1 | now I just need to find an open warband that's not full ... |
| 19:00.59 | Aiiane | heh |
| 19:05.27 | encaitar1 | I've noticed that sometimes objective trackers gives the 15 minute timer when it should be the 3 minute. |
| 19:06.57 | encaitar1 | Looks like it's working |
| 19:07.01 | encaitar1 | Blue border, right? |
| 19:08.17 | Aiiane | yes |
| 19:15.55 | encaitar1 | Wow, GetOpenPartyFullList() is kind of buggy too. |
| 19:20.45 | encaitar1 | Oh, I see. It doesn't actually refresh the list if you're in a party or warband. |
| 19:22.23 | Aiiane | because the open party list was never intended to be shown/active when already in a party |
| 19:22.32 | encaitar1 | yeah |
| 19:23.00 | encaitar1 | which is annoying in itself if you want to see if there's another party/warband you can merge with |
| 19:23.47 | encaitar1 | Crap, I think I'll have to limit anything in a warband to the leader. |
| 19:24.04 | Repo | New project: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/nemesis/. Nemesis. Alocer (Manager/Author). Approved by Aiiane. |
| 19:24.09 | Repo | New project: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/pet-synergy/. Pet Synergy. amirabiri2 (Manager/Author). Approved by Aiiane. |
| 19:24.15 | Repo | New project: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/gde/. Guild Data Extractor. Mitazaki (Manager/Author). Approved by Aiiane. |
| 19:24.30 | Repo | New project: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/craftingwillard/. CraftingWillard. Onni_x (Manager/Author). Approved by Aiiane. |
| 19:25.17 | encaitar1 | Or just assume that if the warband was open when you joined it then it's still open |
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| 19:31.09 | Alocer | Hello everyone, I finally have my first project created for the beta release of my mod and was going to try using a repository. I've never used one before, and was wondering if I should go with SVN because it's supposedly simpler, or since I have to learn it from scratch anyways if I should try Git or Mercurial? |
| 19:31.40 | Aiiane | well, I'm partial to mercurial |
| 19:31.51 | Aiiane | but if you don't want to mess with ssh keys |
| 19:32.01 | encaitar1 | Actually i think I'm over thinking this. |
| 19:32.03 | Aiiane | svn may be better (since it can work with a simple user/password combo) |
| 19:32.24 | Aiiane | one of the main advantages to mercurial/git Alocer |
| 19:32.33 | Aiiane | is that it gives you *local* version control as well as the server |
| 19:32.51 | encaitar1 | It's nice to have the open check for groups so I can change the join instruction to /join but I don't really need it. |
| 19:32.53 | Aiiane | thus you can do things like keep copies of smaller changes that you didnt get desire to upload |
| 19:33.16 | Aiiane | i.e. smaller intermediate changes |
| 19:33.42 | Alocer | Ahh I see I see, you find that helps you a lot? |
| 19:36.37 | Aiiane | it's handy, yes |
| 19:37.34 | Alocer | I'll have to do some research on Mercurial and give it a shot then, thanks for the suggestion |
| 19:49.15 | amirabiri2 | It goes a little beyond that, you can work in a distributed manner |
| 19:49.47 | amirabiri2 | So for example each development team can have its own local repository, which team member commit to |
| 19:50.09 | amirabiri2 | but that team rep is then synchronized with the main rep or with other team reps in bigger intervals |
| 19:50.25 | Aiiane | I'm trying not to overwhelm him with info quite yet, amirabiri2 :) |
| 19:50.33 | amirabiri2 | Ah... |
| 19:50.43 | amirabiri2 | Then ignore everything I said then :-) |
| 19:52.23 | Alocer | Haha that all makes sense though |
| 19:53.17 | Aiiane | all the better than :) |
| 19:53.21 | Aiiane | then* |
| 19:53.58 | encaitar1 | Why is that different than branches in SVN? |
| 19:54.41 | Aiiane | because you don't actually have to branch |
| 19:55.11 | Aiiane | can you imagine the hassle of trying to maintain a separate branch for each individual in a 100-developer team? |
| 19:55.29 | Aiiane | and how convoluted the version history would be with all of the moves you'd then need to do to merge things |
| 19:55.29 | encaitar1 | yeah, true. |
| 20:02.53 | Aiiane | hmm, so, I'm really glad I have regex to help |
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| 20:03.04 | Aiiane | because manually writing out the asset tags for 63 more textures would be a pain without |
| 20:08.56 | encaitar1 | Does OnInitialize happen after everything has loaded, for example if I had if (LibSlash) then LibSlash.RegisterSlashCmd(..) end in my initialize function that would work for people who have libslash installed but I wouldn't need to set it as a dependency? |
| 20:09.36 | Aiiane | no |
| 20:09.53 | Aiiane | oninitialize happens after all of *your* addon's files (and all of its dependencies) are loaded |
| 20:10.01 | encaitar1 | ok |
| 20:10.43 | Aiiane | we've found a way to opt-dep things though |
| 20:10.46 | Aiiane | see warwiki |
| 20:10.54 | Aiiane | I wrote a quick guide there |
| 20:11.07 | encaitar1 | cool |
| 20:11.11 | amirabiri2 | RE subversion and branches |
| 20:11.20 | amirabiri2 | Subversion is a nightmare when it comes to branching and merging |
| 20:11.24 | amirabiri2 | it's awful |
| 20:11.37 | Aiiane | hg and git both have much better merge tools and ability |
| 20:11.45 | amirabiri2 | Exactly |
| 20:12.12 | amirabiri2 | For fun, try maintain a development branch for about 2 months in a 10-man team. |
| 20:12.20 | amirabiri2 | Then try to merge it back |
| 20:12.31 | amirabiri2 | Entertainment guranteed, or your money back |
| 20:12.53 | amirabiri2 | Although there is a feature coming which is supposed to make that easier in SVN |
| 20:12.54 | encaitar1 | I'll have to check it out for work. |
| 20:13.11 | encaitar1 | Are there conversion tools from SVN or CVS? |
| 20:13.27 | amirabiri2 | Well it you're in a position to choose, and if all the devs are experienced enough, I'd advise taking the plundge with git or hg |
| 20:13.35 | amirabiri2 | It will pay off in the long run |
| 20:14.07 | amirabiri2 | on the other hand if you have a young team or semi-devs, then stick to SVN |
| 20:14.27 | Aiiane | encaitar1: I believe both git and hg have a way to import from svn |
| 20:14.37 | amirabiri2 | yes |
| 20:14.45 | amirabiri2 | well sorry I only know about git |
| 20:14.45 | Aiiane | git also has ways to actually interoperate with svn (i.e. you can run git locally, and eventually push to an svn) |
| 20:14.54 | encaitar1 | Well, I'm the one that does the majority of the commits anyway. One or two other people do some every now and then. |
| 20:14.59 | Aiiane | although i havent played with git much |
| 20:15.23 | amirabiri2 | One of the other team leads where I work is completely into it |
| 20:15.29 | amirabiri2 | he's pushing to switch for about a year now |
| 20:15.49 | Aiiane | it has its advantages |
| 20:16.02 | amirabiri2 | we're talking about around 60 devs, 20 or so of them more like semi-devs, and 40k revisions... |
| 20:16.04 | Aiiane | I find git to be *slightly* more 'technical' than hg |
| 20:16.12 | amirabiri2 | naturally we're reluctant... :-) |
| 20:16.28 | Aiiane | (not that any vcs isn't 'technical' in some sense) |
| 20:16.33 | amirabiri2 | I can't compare git and hg, I can only compare them to SVN |
| 20:16.39 | amirabiri2 | yeah exactly |
| 20:16.52 | amirabiri2 | that's why it's hard to move |
| 20:17.04 | Aiiane | hg (at least to me) isn't any harder than svn |
| 20:17.10 | amirabiri2 | really? |
| 20:17.17 | amirabiri2 | oh to you |
| 20:17.19 | amirabiri2 | yes |
| 20:17.21 | amirabiri2 | that doesn't count :-) |
| 20:17.24 | Aiiane | tortoisehg is just as easy as tortoisesvn |
| 20:17.41 | amirabiri2 | ahmm... you don't count Aiiane :-) |
| 20:17.47 | Aiiane | it's pretty straightforward even for people who arent me |
| 20:18.06 | amirabiri2 | ahm |
| 20:18.11 | Aiiane | its synch tool is simple and straightforward |
| 20:18.19 | Aiiane | 4 buttons: incoming, pull, outgoing, push |
| 20:18.32 | Aiiane | dropdown for which repo you want to pull/push from. |
| 20:18.55 | amirabiri2 | Aiiane, some of our "frontend" guys still struggle with commits and updates |
| 20:19.05 | amirabiri2 | I can't even talk to them about branches |
| 20:19.26 | Aiiane | see, to me, pulls and pushes make more sense than commits and updates |
| 20:19.37 | Aiiane | because it's basically, *you* choose when conflicts occur |
| 20:19.49 | Aiiane | commits just become "i want to save my work" |
| 20:19.58 | Aiiane | no conflicts, no nothing |
| 20:20.21 | Aiiane | commit basically just becomes the vcs equivalent of ctrl+s |
| 20:20.29 | Aiiane | which, to me, seems easier to explain |
| 20:21.01 | Aiiane | i always hated how svn wouldn't let you even put something onto the server (save a new branch) without resolving the conflicts |
| 20:21.10 | amirabiri2 | That's a good idea, I may use it when I'm in that position |
| 20:21.16 | amirabiri2 | but it will still be a nightmare |
| 20:21.19 | amirabiri2 | they know SVN now |
| 20:21.22 | Aiiane | well |
| 20:21.26 | Aiiane | at least the concepts are similar |
| 20:21.33 | Aiiane | so it's easier to explain one in terms of the other |
| 20:21.37 | Aiiane | than to start from scratch |
| 20:21.46 | amirabiri2 | hmm |
| 20:22.22 | amirabiri2 | Another small advantage by the way is that hg and git are far more efficient than SVN |
| 20:22.23 | Aiiane | yes, very much so |
| 20:22.35 | amirabiri2 | when you reach a big enough rep / team size, SVN becomes a nightmare in terms of speed as well |
| 20:22.49 | Aiiane | amirabiri2: you should have seen the speeds on checkouts from the old wowace svn |
| 20:22.59 | Aiiane | when there were a good 1000+ addons on it in a single repo |
| 20:23.14 | Aiiane | and over 79000 revisions overall (due to all of the addons incrementing the same counter) |
| 20:23.32 | amirabiri2 | And thats another thing - you *want* one repo because you want to easily copy things around with history and have one unified log |
| 20:23.35 | Aiiane | curseforge is a *huge* improvement in that regard |
| 20:23.36 | amirabiri2 | but then... |
| 20:23.47 | Aiiane | one repo per project |
| 20:23.57 | encaitar1 | Well, the team size will probably never be more than 3 or 4 people, but it's very useful to keep production and sometimes multiple development versions separate, so anything that makes that easier would be good. |
| 20:24.01 | Aiiane | not one repo per community :P |
| 20:24.13 | Aiiane | wowace was 1 repo for tons of projects at once |
| 20:24.31 | amirabiri2 | well for a community that may be too much |
| 20:24.41 | amirabiri2 | but in a dept of 50 devs, you want to have one log |
| 20:24.51 | amirabiri2 | "where is that commit of his now that he is on leave" |
| 20:24.58 | amirabiri2 | go search 20 repos now... |
| 20:25.05 | Aiiane | you can still segment by top-level project |
| 20:25.22 | Aiiane | i.e. if you're developing two different (unrelated) applications, you don't need them in the same repo |
| 20:26.29 | amirabiri2 | You can, but again there are benefits to having one repo which tempt you to do that at first. You pay the price 3 years later |
| 20:27.01 | Aiiane | heh |
| 20:27.09 | amirabiri2 | let's assumed we're talking about projects which can be separated to the level of externals, but are still remotely related |
| 20:27.22 | amirabiri2 | for completely separate things you'd be right of course |
| 20:27.59 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r141 / (66 files in 3 directories): Add SharedMedia status bar textures as options. |
| 20:28.20 | amirabiri2 | for example what happens when you develop something, and later realize you want to generalize and extract some part of the system into a library |
| 20:28.35 | amirabiri2 | you'd want to preserve the history and everything |
| 20:29.13 | amirabiri2 | if the lib and the project are segmented, you'd loose that history |
| 20:29.28 | amirabiri2 | also the separation process becomes harder |
| 20:30.13 | Aiiane | actually it's not as difficult as it initially seems |
| 20:30.36 | Aiiane | because you can clone the repository, eliminate the irrelevant files in the new clone, and then begin using the clone as a master |
| 20:31.05 | Aiiane | that's one of the advantages of aiming for a distributed system from the first place |
| 20:31.17 | Aiiane | it can redefine what is the 'master' at will |
| 20:31.37 | Aiiane | unlike svn, where it's clear what's the server and what are the clients |
| 20:31.57 | amirabiri2 | wait a minute, are we talking about SVN or about git/hg :-) |
| 20:32.04 | amirabiri2 | I was talking about SVN |
| 20:32.17 | amirabiri2 | in git/hg you'd be able to segement without worries... :-) |
| 20:32.19 | amirabiri2 | ahm |
| 20:32.26 | amirabiri2 | I think I now understand your initial comment... |
| 20:33.32 | Aiiane | heh |
| 20:33.35 | amirabiri2 | btw about libraries, you may not always have the luxury of cloning, since you may want to move the code into part of an existing lib project |
| 20:34.14 | Aiiane | if the lib is that closely related to your project using it |
| 20:34.23 | Aiiane | it should probably be in the same repo in the first place |
| 20:35.00 | Aiiane | failing that, it might be simpler to sacrifice the history (or at least, have it slightly less accessible) |
| 20:35.46 | amirabiri2 | well, just this debate we're having shows the advantage of simply having it all under one repo |
| 20:35.49 | amirabiri2 | :-) |
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| 20:53.44 | Aiiane | welcome, 1-less encaitar |
| 20:56.42 | amirabiri2 | So what can make a simple copy-pasted context menu code not show a context menu..? o.O |
| 21:03.59 | Aiiane | pastey :) |
| 21:07.30 | Aiiane | (by which i mean, pastey the code and let us take a look at it, not many people can telepathically debug code ;) |
| 21:53.43 | amirabiri2 | EA_Window_ContextMenu.CreateContextMenu( "EA_CareerResourceWindow" ) |
| 21:53.45 | amirabiri2 | EA_Window_ContextMenu.AddMenuItem( L"Pet Synergy Options", PetSynergy.ShowOptions, false, true ) |
| 21:53.46 | amirabiri2 | EA_Window_ContextMenu.Finalize() |
| 21:54.24 | amirabiri2 | OK, everything to do with pet abilities is completely borked... |
| 21:54.33 | amirabiri2 | this addon is going to be much harder than I thought... |
| 21:54.57 | Aiiane | eep. use pastey next time :P |
| 21:57.26 | amirabiri2 | OK |
| 22:00.59 | amirabiri2 | So can you debug it now ? |
| 22:04.40 | Aiiane | well what's triggering that code |
| 22:04.47 | Aiiane | and is it triggering properly? |
| 22:07.08 | amirabiri2 | yes |
| 22:07.16 | amirabiri2 | I've replaced it with something else and the something else is working |
| 22:08.04 | Aiiane | hm |
| 22:08.24 | Aiiane | and no errors reported |
| 22:08.29 | amirabiri2 | nope |
| 22:08.44 | amirabiri2 | I've placed d()'s before and after, and both show up |
| 22:09.59 | Aiiane | is EA_CareerResourceWindow the proper name? |
| 22:10.02 | Aiiane | of the window |
| 22:10.43 | amirabiri2 | Yup, because it's the same name I used to register the core event |
| 22:10.52 | amirabiri2 | and I copy-pasted just to be sure :-) |
| 22:10.56 | Aiiane | hm, yeah, i just checked the source |
| 22:11.56 | Aiiane | and PetSynergy.ShowOptions is valid right? |
| 22:12.22 | amirabiri2 | yes |
| 22:12.40 | amirabiri2 | Sigh... the whole pet code is borked! |
| 22:12.51 | Aiiane | are you creating the menu on mouse down or mouse up |
| 22:13.02 | Aiiane | just out of curiousity |
| 22:13.03 | amirabiri2 | down... |
| 22:13.07 | amirabiri2 | o.O |
| 22:13.07 | Aiiane | do it on up |
| 22:17.30 | Aiiane | did changing it from down to up help at all? |
| 22:18.08 | amirabiri2 | I guess you can say it helped. |
| 22:18.14 | amirabiri2 | It solved the problem completely |
| 22:18.16 | amirabiri2 | :-) |
| 22:18.35 | amirabiri2 | youdaman Aii! |
| 22:18.40 | Aiiane | here's why: the context menu uses the R_BUTTON_DOWN_PROCESSED event to detect when you close the menu |
| 22:18.53 | Aiiane | so it was actually being displayed... but then instantly being closed again |
| 22:19.14 | Aiiane | ups always come after downs, thus showing it on up prevents the instant close |
| 22:20.32 | amirabiri2 | For some reason I assumed that the closing is based on mouse over |
| 22:20.53 | Aiiane | you can mouse out from a menu and it stays open |
| 22:21.35 | Aiiane | until you click outside its boundaries |
| 22:22.18 | Aiiane | *any* mousedown event hides the menu |
| 22:22.28 | Aiiane | but the event it uses to close is the _PROCESSED event |
| 22:22.36 | Aiiane | which fires *after* all of the individual core event handlers |
| 22:22.39 | amirabiri2 | yes I realized that after you asked which event I put it under... :-) |
| 22:22.51 | Aiiane | thus if you click on the menu, it processes the event for the menu item |
| 22:23.11 | amirabiri2 | the part about the mouse up that is |
| 22:23.18 | amirabiri2 | the part about _PROCESSED is new to me |
| 22:23.27 | amirabiri2 | Thanks :-) |
| 22:23.40 | Aiiane | this is also why I always prefer people to paste larger blocks of code than just the specific thing they think is having a problem |
| 22:23.47 | Aiiane | oftentimes, the problem can be somewhere else completely :) |
| 22:24.11 | Aiiane | (which is why I also ask them to use pastey, i.e. waruidev.pastey.net, to do the paste, so it doesnt spam the channel ;) |
| 22:27.28 | amirabiri2 | I usually use pasteit, but I was just lazy now and it was only 3 lines :-) |
| 22:28.57 | amirabiri2 | http://waruidev.pastey.net/105113 |
| 22:28.59 | amirabiri2 | :-) |
| 22:29.01 | Aiiane | :P |
| 22:29.14 | amirabiri2 | pastey has syntax highlighting for lua... :-) |
| 22:29.24 | Aiiane | indeed |
| 22:29.25 | amirabiri2 | speaking of, what do you guys use for IDE ? |
| 22:29.32 | Aiiane | curseforge actually has a pastebin as well now |
| 22:29.40 | Aiiane | I use notepad++ |
| 22:29.48 | Aiiane | not much of an ide exactly :P |
| 22:29.57 | amirabiri2 | no not really... :-) |
| 22:30.07 | amirabiri2 | you remind me of a good friend of mine... |
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| 22:55.44 | Valkea | is this sentence correct in English ? ( "Deathblows are counted when you finished an opponent." ) |
| 22:57.00 | Aiiane | not exactly |
| 22:57.46 | Aiiane | the 'better' version would probably be "Deathblows are added when you finish off an opponent." |
| 22:58.31 | Valkea | oh ok. Thank you :) |
| 23:09.56 | amirabiri2 | Funny that you can preparations for many things |
| 23:10.03 | amirabiri2 | in Mythic's code that is |
| 23:10.33 | amirabiri2 | For example eventhough there is no support for dragging pet abilities into the action bars |
| 23:11.28 | amirabiri2 | There still seems to be some code or logic which either serves as a foundation to enable that, or seems to imply that it was enabled at one point... |
| 23:11.49 | amirabiri2 | Going through the code is like doing an archielogical dig... |
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