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| 00:06.56 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r28 MapMonster.mod: Typo Gremlins strike again |
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| 00:10.10 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker 04Beta v0.2.3 * r29 : Tagging as Beta v0.2.3 |
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| 00:21.04 | Bloodwalker | such a quitter Daegalus |
| 00:21.16 | Daegalus | i know, inever get anything done |
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| 01:13.16 | Bloodwalker | all the smack talk and posers on open rvr and core server is enough to make you want to gouge out your eyes... |
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| 01:16.36 | Aii | gouge out theirs instead |
| 01:16.46 | Aii | then it looks really funny, unless they can touch-type |
| 01:16.59 | Aii | anywho, off to dinner |
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| 01:38.25 | Valkea | is there a workaround to get the target guild name ? I guess no, but it cost nothing to ask ... |
| 01:44.30 | sysrage | has anybody tried screwing with one of the scenario queue mods to change up the order you queue to see if it actually makes a difference |
| 01:48.56 | Aiiane | Valkea: not that I'm aware of |
| 01:49.07 | Valkea | thank you |
| 01:49.29 | Bloodwalker | server queues are controlled by the server.. which one first wouldnt make much of a difference if at all since your name is on the list.. and whichever gets the required number of players first launches... they are adding code to delay the launching of some scenario to give a chance for the others to run |
| 01:52.40 | Valkea | Another question (sorry) does anyone know a good tool to convert graphics files to DDS files ? I tried some Nvidia DDS plugins for photoshop but it doesn't work. |
| 01:54.23 | Aiiane | Valkea: custom texture loading in WAR is broken at the moment, has nothing to do with the files themselves |
| 01:54.32 | Valkea | erf : / |
| 01:56.55 | Valkea | so i will have to use the in game textures. thank you again ;) |
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| 02:08.33 | Thrae | Hmm, what's a pulsating AoE damage effect like Rune of Battle, which, when cast on allies (or a spell cast on enemies) that does X damage every Y seconds? |
| 02:10.24 | Thrae | I'm trying to get a feel for what Mythic considers a "Damage Over Time" effect, since not all pulsating healing effects are "Healing Over Time". In fact, not all direct healing or healing over time is a "healing" effect, period. |
| 02:10.53 | Aiiane | Dissapating Energy? |
| 02:10.57 | Aiiane | (sp?) |
| 02:11.20 | Aiiane | dissipating energies |
| 02:11.40 | Thrae | One of their 1.06 patches talks about Rune of Battle as a DoT, saying it'll get the changes done to all DoTs for Int, but it's obviously a Damage Aura as far from normal MMO logic (including DAoC)... |
| 02:14.17 | Aiiane | nicoli_s: ping |
| 02:17.15 | Thrae | Aiiane: Thanks. Seems they also said that's a "DoT", which makes sense, since Rune of Battle is a Mastery ability which is basically 2x the damage of Dissipating Energies over a 25% longer period of time with 33% less damage range and no way to reduce cast time. |
| 02:18.16 | Thrae | Obviously that 33% more damage over a 25% longer period of time is worth more then a possibly lower cast time and more range |
| 02:18.57 | Aiiane | wait, how is 33% more = 2x |
| 02:19.10 | Thrae | But then again, not good to compare RPs vs AMs |
| 02:19.40 | Aiiane | also, I laughed: http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/109595049/p1/?0 |
| 02:19.53 | Thrae | Whoops, I meant to say "with 50% less damage" |
| 02:22.59 | Thrae | Aiiane: An old one but a goodie. |
| 02:24.27 | Aiiane | well, at least rune of battle it's more likely that you might have 15 points in the tree |
| 02:25.49 | Thrae | Honestly I have a weird obsession with funny patch notes. When I first patched "The Sims", I Laughed Out Loud at the simple patch note, "Electrician can no longer electrocute himself." (Sims can do repairs themselves, but they have a chance to electrocute themselves, thereby dying. The idea of hiring a randomly generated Sim for money instead of doing it yourself and risking your Sim's life and having the hired Sim die is ... |
| 02:25.56 | Thrae | ... funny.) |
| 02:26.53 | Thrae | Aiiane: True, but to make up for it, RoB scales poorly |
| 02:27.13 | Aiiane | dissip scales? news to me |
| 02:28.18 | Thrae | Aiiane: Both scaled according to the patch notes with Int (or didn't scale before and do now), and they also scale with level or Mastery level according to WarDB. |
| 02:29.02 | Thrae | According to the patch notes, they're both DoTs. |
| 02:29.03 | Aiiane | obviously with level, but I don't really count level scaling anymore |
| 02:29.42 | Aiiane | and scaling with int is somewhat useless to a healer ;) |
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| 02:31.39 | Thrae | Aiiane: Scaling with Level is better then scaling with Mastery unless there's some default algorithm which allows Mastery-scaled spells to always scale better then Level-scaled spells, which is not true for half of my Runepriest Mastery spells (Healing included). For both AM and Runepriest, one of the best scaled spells is our Core HoT. |
| 02:32.14 | Aiiane | er |
| 02:32.37 | Aiiane | scaling with level or mastery is the same scaling either way, if you get to the same spell level |
| 02:33.29 | Aiiane | A level 40 with 0 points in a spell's mastery line is the same as a level 30 with 10 points in the spell's mastery line |
| 02:33.34 | Aiiane | aside from any gear contribution |
| 02:35.45 | Thrae | Right, except all your Core spells scale automatically, so if you compare a spell from Class A which is Core and a mirror spell from Class B which is Mastery, obviously the Class A's spell has a better chance to scale well overall. Which is what I'm doing in this specific case, comparing Dissipating Energies to Rune of Battle. Of course they're both pretty much useless overall, but I think a spell that not only scales with ... |
| 02:35.51 | Thrae | ... Mastery but you gain from the path itself at 9 point should be much better then any mirror. |
| 02:37.01 | Thrae | But I'm just RP-centric. Really, both skills should be useful. |
| 02:37.07 | Aiiane | er |
| 02:37.11 | Aiiane | dissipating is a vaul spell |
| 02:37.32 | Thrae | Err? |
| 02:37.49 | Aiiane | Dissipating EnergiesBuffPath of Vaul |
| 02:38.46 | Aiiane | when you get it at level 40, it's spell level 25 |
| 02:39.06 | Thrae | Ah, that sucks more then |
| 02:39.32 | Thrae | Still, RoB scales poorly with Mastery anyway, so I bet so does DE |
| 02:39.46 | Aiiane | you can look at the scaling on wardb |
| 02:39.54 | Aiiane | just mouse over the numbered boxes below the tooltip |
| 02:39.56 | Thrae | I was just about to do that. |
| 02:40.20 | Aiiane | dissip is 99/2sec at 25, 148/2sec at 40 |
| 02:40.33 | Aiiane | rune is 199/3sec at 25 |
| 02:40.39 | Aiiane | 299/3sec at 40 |
| 02:40.44 | Aiiane | same % scaling |
| 02:42.28 | Thrae | Aiiane: 1.5 vs 1.5, yeah, I just did it myself while I had this minimized. |
| 02:47.56 | Thrae | Aiiane: Don't mind me, I like to look at smaller issues and make smaller suggestions. |
| 02:48.29 | Aiiane | I prefer to look at bigger issues and figure out if there's a smaller way to solve them. :) |
| 02:49.09 | Thrae | I try to do that too, but usually someone's beaten me to it and the good suggestion is rehashed a million times as "WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS?!" |
| 02:51.28 | Thrae | Something like "Make Mastery paths fun and interesting for X class" doesn't exactly have a simple solution all the time. |
| 02:53.20 | Thrae | My brian stopped working. Time to login and do Scenarios. |
| 03:24.57 | Valkea | Can we flip a texture ? We can use texturescale with a negative value but this way it flip the texture on vertical and horizontal axis. I need to fleep it verticaly only. |
| 03:31.44 | Aiiane | texdims? |
| 03:33.14 | WikkiFizzle | DynamicImageSetTextureOrientation will let you mirror an image |
| 03:34.12 | Valkea | thank you :) |
| 03:34.44 | Aiiane | pretty sure that's just horizontal mirror though, no WikkiFizzle? |
| 03:34.56 | WikkiFizzle | I dont recall |
| 03:35.04 | WikkiFizzle | Wont work for circleimages either |
| 03:40.17 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r100 / (8 files in 4 directories): Added tag 2.7.3 for changeset 4212654bbd41 |
| 03:40.17 | Repo | ADDED: Setting multiple text items to the same position will now display them one after another in that text spot. Sorry, but order isn't customizable at this time. |
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| 03:40.18 | Aiiane | <3 you too repo |
| 03:40.59 | WikkiFizzle | lol |
| 03:41.05 | Aiiane | ckknight: ping |
| 03:41.56 | Valkea | humm both solutions doesn't work, since it's a button and not a Dynamic Image |
| 03:45.41 | Aiiane | what were you using to set texture scale, Valkea? |
| 03:47.07 | Valkea | i can paste code here ? |
| 03:47.13 | Aiiane | waruidev.pastey.net |
| 03:47.15 | Valkea | ok |
| 03:47.17 | Aiiane | paste it there instead, don't spam the channel |
| 03:50.16 | Valkea | http://waruidev.pastey.net/103429-1u6n |
| 03:51.27 | Aiiane | use TexDims |
| 03:51.43 | Aiiane | in combination with texcoords |
| 03:51.46 | Aiiane | essentially |
| 03:51.58 | Valkea | well i tried, but nothing happened |
| 03:52.20 | Aiiane | what you need to do is change the texcoords to specify the *bottom*-left corner |
| 03:52.23 | Valkea | and warwiki specify the following : Allowed in: <DynamicImage> |
| 03:52.25 | Aiiane | and then use a negative y value |
| 03:52.37 | Valkea | ok i will try |
| 03:52.39 | Aiiane | warwiki is not necessarily authorative |
| 03:52.44 | Valkea | ;) |
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| 04:15.29 | Valkea | it look like TextDims doesn't have any effect on my button texture. |
| 04:18.20 | Aiiane | It's TexDims, not TextDims |
| 04:18.43 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r30 / (7 files in 2 directories): Important fix and change of scope for save data |
| 04:18.45 | Repo | Wrong kind of error would wipe of save data |
| 04:20.15 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r31 Source/MapMonster.lua: Inc Rev |
| 04:20.28 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker 04Beta v0.3.1 * r32 : Tagging as Beta v0.3.1 |
| 04:21.00 | Valkea | sorry just an error in the irc chat. i wrote "<TexDims x="-86" y="-65" />" |
| 04:22.02 | Aiiane | you don't want them both negative, that'd flip both |
| 04:22.28 | Aiiane | you only want the negative on the axis you're wanting to flip |
| 04:22.32 | Valkea | this only to try to make something on the screen. but nothing happen |
| 04:22.54 | Aiiane | maybe buttons won't work with it then |
| 04:22.58 | Aiiane | what are you trying to flip? |
| 04:23.26 | Valkea | the bookmarks icon of the Tome of Knowlegde |
| 04:24.04 | Bloodwalker | the pointy colored ones? |
| 04:24.12 | Valkea | i use them on the right side of the book, all work very nice, but the bookmark texture isn't on the good orientation ;) |
| 04:24.51 | Valkea | the small flags used on the left side of the book. |
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| 05:04.36 | Valkea | thank you so much for you help, again. Good day / night to you ;) |
| 05:04.43 | Aiiane | hmm... this assignment for my algorithms course should be interesting... considering the chapter the problems are from is titled 'NP-complete problems' |
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| 05:10.30 | Bloodwalker | Aii: using the XML <OnUpdate> to register an event will have the same effect as a RegisterEvent in LUA right? |
| 05:10.46 | Aiiane | same effect, aside from not being able to unregister it |
| 05:11.06 | Aiiane | and the XML version doesn't generate Function Call log messages |
| 05:11.18 | Aiiane | which, due to the issues with text logs, is a good thing |
| 05:11.41 | Bloodwalker | but they both get called at the same place in the flow right |
| 05:11.52 | Bloodwalker | Ive been using the xml to set global one |
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| 05:36.50 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker * r45 / (10 files in 2 directories): Important fix to saved data |
| 05:36.51 | Repo | Improved loading error checks |
| 05:38.43 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker 04Journal Beta v0.2.6 * r46 : Tagging as Journal Beta v0.2.6 |
| 05:57.12 | Repo | 10killtracker: 03Bloodwalker * r9 Source/KillTracker.lua: Update to saved data storage |
| 05:59.04 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker * r8 Source/MM_Navigator.lua: Changes to saved data storage |
| 05:59.53 | Repo | 10killtracker: 03Bloodwalker * r10 KillTracker.mod: Update to saved data storage |
| 06:00.07 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker * r9 MapMonster-Navigator.mod: Changes to saved data storage |
| 06:02.47 | Repo | 10killtracker: 03Bloodwalker 04Release v0.3.3 * r11 : Tagging as Release v0.3.3 |
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| 06:36.58 | chiCho | There is any way to fix that bugs with MotH? |
| 06:37.00 | chiCho | >.< |
| 06:37.58 | Repo | 10killtracker: 03Bloodwalker 07development * r12 / (2 files in 2 directories): Branch update |
| 06:43.12 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r10 / (2 files in 2 directories): Branch update |
| 06:57.22 | Aiiane | chiCho: what bugs |
| 06:57.38 | chiCho | when ill mouse over a target in scenarios for example |
| 06:57.40 | chiCho | or in some places |
| 06:57.46 | chiCho | moth doesnt works or something |
| 06:57.49 | chiCho | couse i dont see any tooltip |
| 06:59.16 | chiCho | sry for my english, im spanish so if you can understand me it will be fine XD |
| 07:09.11 | Aiiane | my guess, the class-info processing he's doing on scenario data isn't localized, and thus it's breaking if you're using the spanish-localized client |
| 07:09.31 | Aiiane | leave tronned a note about it on the Moth ticket-tracker |
| 07:10.26 | Aiiane | I speak a small amount of spanish, but I'm willing to bet that your english is better than my spanish, so it's probably better to stick with that here. ;) |
| 07:14.15 | WikkiFizzle | lol |
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| 07:17.37 | Daegalus | w00t, go go more complaints about squared and hovercast |
| 07:17.41 | Daegalus | god i love the uninformed |
| 07:33.07 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r28 Source/AuraEngine.lua: Fixed a spacing issue |
| 07:37.18 | chiCho | when will 1.0.6 comes out? |
| 07:37.20 | chiCho | tomorrow? |
| 07:58.32 | Aiiane | for NA/Oceanic servers yes |
| 07:58.40 | Aiiane | dunno when it rolls out for euro servers |
| 08:00.31 | chiCho | agh |
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| 10:17.26 | Repo | 10targetlast: 03Aiiane * r22 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added tag 1.7 for changeset 38bee7f4164d |
| 10:17.27 | Repo | Update to work with patch 1.0.6. |
| 10:38.34 | Aiiane | NigelTufnel: ping |
| 10:41.59 | Aiiane | meh, ill just leave you some tickets |
| 10:46.30 | Aiiane | @ticket war/naturallog 1 |
| 10:46.30 | Repo | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/naturallog/tickets/1-horizontal-layout-doesnt-seem-to-update-at-all/. 1 - horizontal layout doesn't seem to update at all. Reported by: Aiiane. Type: Defect. Updated: 2 minutes ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: nigeltufnel. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 10:46.32 | Aiiane | @ticket war/naturallog 2 |
| 10:46.33 | Repo | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/naturallog/tickets/2-add-an-option-to-lock-the-display-in-place/. 2 - add an option to lock the display in place. Reported by: Aiiane. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 15 seconds ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: nigeltufnel. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
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| 12:06.53 | Aiiane | night~ |
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| 13:06.16 | ckknight | Aiiane: pong |
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| 13:40.45 | tortall | Morning, Thurwell |
| 13:41.00 | tortall | Did you try disabling UILog and re-enabling the combat log? |
| 13:43.30 | Thurwell | No. I have like 40% of a level to go to hit 40, I'm going to finish that before I go back to messing with addons |
| 13:44.06 | Thurwell | Also why I still haven't finished my addon |
| 13:46.00 | Thurwell | I wonder, if the combat log crashes us when it gets too big if an addon can be written that just wipes it now and then |
| 13:48.14 | tortall | I played last night for a few hours total and didn't experience a single crash. My brother crashed once, but it was due to something else. |
| 13:48.46 | Thurwell | That's good. I did disable my debug log, I just didn't turn the combat log back on |
| 13:48.53 | tortall | And Task Manager showed that memory usage stayed steady, instead of increasing until CTD. So I think you'll find the same thing when you have a chance to try. |
| 13:49.18 | Thurwell | I never meant to leave the debug log running when I wasn't debugging, but I tend to forget |
| 13:54.17 | talvinen | I want 1.06 :x |
| 13:54.39 | tortall | talvinen: I have a SH and Magus. I want it too. |
| 13:54.57 | talvinen | are the servers already up in US? |
| 13:56.04 | tortall | I am at work, so I can't tell for sure, but I doubt it. |
| 13:56.20 | tortall | They only came down 3.5 hours ago, and Mythic just does not work that quickly. |
| 13:56.28 | talvinen | http://realmwar.warhammeronline.com/realmwar/ServerStatus.war |
| 13:56.41 | talvinen | seems like all US servers are down |
| 13:56.46 | tortall | I expect them to be up mid-afternoon and then go down several times over the next couple days to patch the patch. |
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| 14:00.49 | Valkea | hello |
| 14:01.46 | talvinen | hullo |
| 14:05.05 | Flarin | hola |
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| 14:06.04 | Thorien | Mornin all |
| 14:06.34 | Thorien | Completed my first Mod this morning before going to work |
| 14:07.12 | Thorien | Not a complicated one its just turns on some logs and tags them with teh character name for later use in a log parser I will write |
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| 14:47.41 | Thurwell | No mention of any bug fixes in 1.06, just balance crap. Which is nice, balance is totally off (why all the IB buffs I don't understand), but the game's riddled with bugs, major and minor |
| 14:49.30 | Thurwell | well ok, there's some UI fixes, but still, what about the crashing and lag and whatnot |
| 14:52.10 | tortall | Lag will be fixed over time. DAoC used to have similar problems, and Mythic eventually fixed them. It's the one area in which I have confidence in them. |
| 14:52.44 | tortall | The fact that so many basic abilities just plain do not work is more worrying. |
| 14:53.12 | tortall | It's not a good thing to make class changes when basic abilities do not work properly. When the abilities are fixed, the class will perform differently. |
| 14:53.28 | Thurwell | Really? I played DAoC up through ToA and RvR was still a slideshow, even on a good machine |
| 14:53.43 | Thurwell | The bypass the postern door abilities have never worked at all |
| 14:53.56 | tortall | I think Mythic should concentrate on fixing all abilities and getting CC to have proper immunities (started this patch) first, and then worry about balance. |
| 14:54.34 | Thurwell | maybe, but there are some horrible balance issues. Like BWs, take the class that does the most damage in the game and throw in a mechanic that quadruples in. Who's idea was that |
| 14:55.01 | tortall | I played DAoC from the beginning, all the way up until I got in WAR open beta :) Lag is practically non-existant unless there's 2 or 300 players in the zone. |
| 14:55.03 | Thurwell | I'm reading through the BG abilities, they don't look as bad as I've been hearing |
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| 14:55.28 | tortall | and even then, it's very playable. |
| 14:55.42 | Thurwell | Looks like some of the dmg abilities have gotten buffed, and he's got a toughness/str reducer (one complaint was he couldn't touch other tanks) |
| 14:55.45 | tortall | It takes way more to crash a zone there than in WAR. |
| 14:56.00 | Thurwell | Oh, and a block/parry reducer, that should help |
| 14:56.16 | Thurwell | I haven't seen a zone crash in war, just lag out really bad. Fortress seiges |
| 14:56.32 | tortall | I've experienced several zone crashes on REM. |
| 15:01.05 | Thurwell | rank 3 morale is 990 armor and 2400 hp (at lvl 40), not too shabby |
| 15:13.00 | Thurwell | Pff, get a job, you'd be used to it. |
| 15:13.12 | Thurwell | sigh |
| 15:15.59 | Darktao | heh |
| 15:16.02 | Darktao | I has a job |
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| 15:16.07 | Darktao | taking care of my son |
| 15:16.10 | Darktao | but |
| 15:16.20 | Darktao | the wife is off for 2 weeks because the boss went out of town |
| 15:16.24 | Darktao | so i get 2 weeks off |
| 15:16.25 | Darktao | :-) |
| 15:17.27 | Thurwell | I'm gonna turn my combat log today, see if mythic fixed their log issue |
| 15:17.35 | Thurwell | I miss my addons |
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| 15:19.01 | Darktao | I heard they are killing hovercasting with this patch |
| 15:19.12 | Thurwell | Yeah, and buff timers |
| 15:19.38 | Darktao | what do you mean by buff timers? |
| 15:19.42 | Darktao | like zbuffbars? |
| 15:19.49 | Thurwell | blood debt looks nice. Need it's sortable tracking window combined with killingblow's better alert message |
| 15:19.51 | Thurwell | yeah |
| 15:19.56 | Darktao | aw crap |
| 15:20.04 | Darktao | I hate the default buff icons |
| 15:20.04 | Thurwell | Tho if you're using zbuffbars you're behind the times, dufftimer is way better |
| 15:20.18 | Thurwell | Aii says it's getting fixed in 1.1, so it's temporary |
| 15:20.22 | Darktao | I just use it to see the times better |
| 15:20.49 | Darktao | I should peruse cruse |
| 15:20.52 | Thurwell | they're changing the way some data is reported, and between those patches it's not reported at all |
| 15:20.56 | Darktao | havent done that in like 2 weeks |
| 15:20.59 | Chryzo | what was hovercasting ? |
| 15:21.08 | Darktao | cheap |
| 15:21.10 | Darktao | LOL |
| 15:21.11 | Thurwell | healers could heal people without targetting them |
| 15:21.29 | Chryzo | k :) |
| 15:21.41 | Thurwell | Which shouldn't be a big deal if you're using squares |
| 15:22.27 | Darktao | I dont use either |
| 15:22.29 | Thurwell | Maybe it worked offensively too, I dunno. In which case whip up an addon that you hit a key to save your target, then hit the key again to return to that target. |
| 15:23.48 | Thorien | I have read the BW nerf is too much. |
| 15:23.58 | Thorien | I'm concerned about that since I play one |
| 15:24.13 | Thurwell | I don't think it's possible to nerf BWs too much |
| 15:24.16 | Thorien | and contrary to what many have said, theres no such thing as god mode |
| 15:24.35 | Darktao | oh noes |
| 15:24.37 | Thorien | lol, count my solo kills and then talk to me |
| 15:24.40 | Darktao | I have to learn lua now |
| 15:24.48 | Thurwell | why? |
| 15:25.01 | Thorien | op'd is more solo kills than a tank |
| 15:25.02 | Darktao | CUF is going to stop being actively developed |
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| 15:26.07 | Thurwell | She stopped actively developing it a long time ago |
| 15:27.04 | Thurwell | I've been thinking of cleaning up the bugs in it. Mouseover of the buff icons, wrong people in party in warbands, and...what was the other one |
| 15:27.16 | Thurwell | Oh, targeting's broken |
| 15:27.23 | Darktao | I hit my first bug in it yesterday |
| 15:27.49 | Darktao | but its never happened before, so I think it was just a fluke |
| 15:28.18 | Thurwell | Course all I want CUF for is the F2,F3,etc thing and the condensed view without party buffs. I could use any unit frame that includes those 2 |
| 15:28.31 | Thurwell | book of grudges looks nice |
| 15:28.41 | Darktao | f2 f3 thing? |
| 15:29.09 | Thurwell | it lists with f key to hit to target a party member |
| 15:30.05 | Darktao | hrm |
| 15:30.34 | Thurwell | there's a few unit frame addons out there better than CUF, but they're mostly very sparse looking |
| 15:31.31 | Darktao | I see the streamlined one |
| 15:31.40 | Thurwell | that one sucks |
| 15:31.49 | Darktao | what else is good? |
| 15:32.19 | Darktao | because there isnt really many listed in the unitframes section that are actually UF |
| 15:33.10 | Thurwell | hud unit frames is probably your best bet. I haven't tried it |
| 15:34.10 | Thurwell | looks ridiculously configurable |
| 15:34.15 | Darktao | oh ew |
| 15:34.34 | Darktao | looks horrid |
| 15:34.53 | Thurwell | Has about a zillion layouts, which one do you think looks bad? |
| 15:35.15 | Darktao | heh |
| 15:35.20 | Thurwell | Check out screenshot 8, psilike. That one looks nice |
| 15:35.23 | Darktao | I havent seen 1 that looks nice |
| 15:35.45 | Darktao | but it creates a blindspot |
| 15:36.01 | Thurwell | where? |
| 15:36.19 | Darktao | where the bars are |
| 15:36.25 | Darktao | its a huge black block |
| 15:36.29 | Darktao | rather than the bars |
| 15:36.42 | Thurwell | Oh, then either set the opacity less than 1 or set a gap between the bars |
| 15:37.17 | Darktao | maybe Im spoiled |
| 15:37.22 | Darktao | I love the look of CUF |
| 15:37.31 | Darktao | been using it since I first ever saw it |
| 15:37.37 | Thurwell | CUF is basically the same as the standard unit frames |
| 15:37.55 | Darktao | just minimalised |
| 15:38.13 | Thurwell | Does he kill all the buff views in huduf or what |
| 15:38.59 | Thurwell | And who makes something with that many options anyway, usually you make a UF that works for you and say eh, if others want to use it they can |
| 15:44.07 | Thurwell | Well regardless, tonight's addons will by huduf and bog. Should install at least 1 a day :) |
| 15:45.05 | Thurwell | The thing that sucks about curse is the way old addons with lots of downloads become almost impossible to knock off the front page. So zbuffbars, which was abandoned and will never be fixed reigns over dufftimer (which was also abandoned but at a more working stage) |
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| 17:58.58 | Bloodwalker | found another game killer... error(L"") |
| 18:00.14 | WikkiFizzle | Pass it anything other than a string and it will ctd |
| 18:00.24 | Bloodwalker | yup |
| 18:00.28 | Thorien | yeah it looks like L"" will do that |
| 18:01.43 | Bloodwalker | if these pesky ethics things werent in the way.. I write those into an addon and use them to CTD players I didnt like :) would be satisfying |
| 18:02.46 | WikkiFizzle | Aii and I talked about that a while ago |
| 18:03.24 | WikkiFizzle | The addon would get discovered very quickly and would essentially be political suicide in the addon world |
| 18:04.05 | Bloodwalker | it would.. not to mention getting banned too for exploting the game |
| 18:04.12 | tortall | Bah. Release under an unknown handle. |
| 18:04.36 | tortall | It would be easy enough to make it look like an innocent bug |
| 18:04.47 | Bloodwalker | well it would only work if the addon was popular enough |
| 18:04.58 | tortall | That would be the only hard part. |
| 18:05.17 | WikkiFizzle | If you released it under a new handle you probably wouldnt use curse/mmoui |
| 18:05.30 | tortall | Why not? |
| 18:05.42 | tortall | Anyone can create any number of accounts on curse and create new projects. |
| 18:05.50 | WikkiFizzle | That is correct |
| 18:06.08 | WikkiFizzle | But its pretty easy to say "XXX is using IP blah blah blah" and "YYY is using the same IP"! |
| 18:06.14 | Valkea | is there a way to load a lua file on the fly ? |
| 18:06.14 | Valkea | I try to find a solution to minimize the amount of variables loaded in memory for localisation purpose. |
| 18:06.14 | Valkea | (so it would be better to not insert them all in the <File/> tag of the .mod file if we can call only one depending of the language params) |
| 18:06.18 | WikkiFizzle | Or even if they arent the same they would be relatively close |
| 18:06.38 | tortall | Not really, Wikki. I am right now behind a firewall that is blocking a class A network. No way to tell who I am. |
| 18:07.21 | Bloodwalker | itd take more work not getting caught then its worth for a week of entertainment causing CTD |
| 18:07.26 | tortall | Besides, Curse has no particular interest in giving the information to Mythic/EA. |
| 18:07.58 | tortall | Curse doesn't know who anyone is, either. At best they have an email, which can be throw-away too. |
| 18:08.03 | WikkiFizzle | Any webserver will pull the IP of who connects, even if you block, there is an IP associated with you |
| 18:08.10 | WikkiFizzle | and who mentioned mythic/ea? |
| 18:08.20 | tortall | Who else would ban you? |
| 18:08.21 | WikkiFizzle | Curse could just pull the plug on you |
| 18:08.40 | tortall | Of course they can. And would. |
| 18:09.08 | tortall | So you just create a new account and try again. It's a silly game that wouldn't last very long, but it is certainly possible. |
| 18:09.27 | WikkiFizzle | All that aside, Mythic knows about it and has no immediate intention to block its usage |
| 18:09.38 | WikkiFizzle | Which I find rather unassuring |
| 18:09.43 | Bloodwalker | Valkea letting outside scripts load other script files into the game dynamicly isnt very safe.. best way to avoid unecessary processing is jsut to shortcut the file with a return if its not needed |
| 18:09.56 | tortall | I can connect from 5 different IP addresses from my home. One more from work. Another from my brother's, another from my sister's... the IP thing doesn't help track people who are trying to be sneaky. |
| 18:10.31 | Bloodwalker | well nothing is bulletproof tortall.. its why security companies and software make so much money |
| 18:11.10 | tortall | But anyway, I bet Mythic would hotfix the clients if we mod authors started "innocently" crashing everyone when trying to log a simple little error message... :) |
| 18:11.55 | WikkiFizzle | Spyke's response when he was told about it: "Well then obviously don't do that!" |
| 18:12.11 | Bloodwalker | lol |
| 18:12.28 | tortall | Easy for him if he's not getting Mark Jacobs on his back for having to read 100023423 threads on VN about CTDs caused by addons. |
| 18:12.38 | Valkea | good idea, thank you Bloodwalker :) |
| 18:13.32 | Thurwell | Well then maybe we should start writing addons that crash people on purpose if it'd get mythic to finally step up and fix their bugs |
| 18:13.42 | tortall | If Aiiane snuck it into LibSlash, you'd crash 50% of the playerbase instantly. Mythic would notice :) |
| 18:14.30 | Thurwell | Although, blood, that doesn't save memory space, just processing. |
| 18:14.33 | tortall | I think it was Horizons, but I remember playing a game that had /crash as a command. Did exactly what you think it would, too. |
| 18:16.03 | tortall | Thurwell, I think you're wrong about that. Lua doesn't parse a file completely before processing. If you return early enough, no variable assignment are done, so no memory will be used. |
| 18:16.36 | Thurwell | I bet it's at least got the whole lua file loaded in memory, even unparsed |
| 18:17.09 | tortall | A few K at most, and the game does not keep the file open, so I doubt it keeps the unparsed file in memory. |
| 18:17.55 | Thurwell | I don't see it opening and closing the file either, I think when it loads the UI it puts all your addons in memory and ignores the files until you reload |
| 18:18.05 | tortall | If Mythic has any sense, the file is memory-mapped and never read into memory unless required. |
| 18:18.52 | Thurwell | When I'm working on an addon I just modify the files in my /war/addons dir, no change has over occured until I reloaded. |
| 18:19.09 | tortall | Of course. I do the same. |
| 18:19.26 | tortall | The fact that you can make changes, or even delete/move files shows that the file isn't open. |
| 18:19.35 | Thurwell | right |
| 18:20.11 | Thurwell | wonder if there's a max size for these addon files |
| 18:20.17 | tortall | I'm just saying that there's no reason to keep the raw code around once parsing is done. So if it's not explicitly released, it will be swapped out and never touched again. |
| 18:21.03 | Thurwell | we should write an addon that references a 1gb table it never calls and see what happens |
| 18:21.34 | Bloodwalker | you can turn file loading messages on in the debug window.. it loads all the files then runs them.. so if you use a return they dont get executed saving some memory for the running lua |
| 18:22.10 | Thurwell | what about conditional returns, it has to check the condition every time to know if it's going to keep going or not |
| 18:23.03 | tortall | So the source is kept in memory, but if a conditional is keeping it from being executed by the interpreter, it will get swapped out as needed and never swapped in. |
| 18:23.05 | Thurwell | server's up. Anyone peeked into the T1 zones yet? |
| 18:23.16 | tortall | I'm stuck at work. |
| 18:23.20 | Thurwell | me too |
| 18:23.27 | Bloodwalker | I have... its like barrens chat everywhere |
| 18:23.46 | Thurwell | Wondering how many KS/BGs are running around |
| 18:23.49 | tortall | I have /region off as a rule. |
| 18:24.03 | Bloodwalker | OMG they nerfed this.. this sucks.. thats so gay |
| 18:24.12 | Thurwell | I startd out on an RP server and got transferred to non-RP, /region wasn't nearly so bad on the RP |
| 18:24.19 | tortall | My SH and Magus are happy. That's all that matters. |
| 18:24.46 | Thurwell | I wanna see what level the blue horrors spawned by ifoc are |
| 18:24.55 | Bloodwalker | I started on open rvr rp...then had to transfer to open rvr... blech its like a grade school playground |
| 18:25.09 | Thurwell | I take it you were on chaos waste |
| 18:25.16 | tortall | they made RP players transfer to a non-RP server? |
| 18:25.20 | Bloodwalker | I was.. |
| 18:25.23 | tortall | That's unusual for Mythic. |
| 18:25.31 | Thurwell | CW was open/rp, there was no other open/rp servers |
| 18:25.35 | Thurwell | Me too, where'd you go? |
| 18:25.45 | Bloodwalker | now Im homeless cause I can stand the chats on core or open rvr servers |
| 18:25.47 | tortall | Ahah. |
| 18:25.52 | Thurwell | we were only offered transfers to open, not to any RPs |
| 18:26.24 | Bloodwalker | Mythic really messed up when they offered transfers off Chaos Wastes instead of to chaos wastes |
| 18:26.27 | tortall | I play on core. I don't see the draw to Open because I want to RvR, not gank people on quests. |
| 18:26.43 | Bloodwalker | killed their only open rvr rp server.. Im still annoyed at that |
| 18:27.18 | Thurwell | In leveling up to 40 I got ganked doing quests like twice, both times in badlands around gunbad |
| 18:27.29 | Bloodwalker | open isnt as bad as people think.. I enjoy it.. it adds a kind of thrill when you have to watch your back for the enemy |
| 18:27.39 | tortall | Given that there's no difference to characters between open and core, it seems really stupid that they didn't offer you the option to moving to a core rp server. |
| 18:28.00 | Thurwell | yah, they should have |
| 18:28.19 | Bloodwalker | I admit Ive ganked players lower then me when travelling through enemy territory... simply because I didnt want them following me and calling for friends to gank me as I travelled |
| 18:28.30 | tortall | in DAoC, they couldn't do anything like that for Mordred because on Mord, you can wear gear from any realm. Here, there's no difference. |
| 18:28.36 | Thurwell | Oh sure, you see order, you kill order. but hardly anyone goes out of their way to do it |
| 18:29.04 | Bloodwalker | and those that do go out of their way to do it get spanked when people call their friends for support |
| 18:29.22 | Thurwell | if you want rvr scenaries and keeps are more fun anyway |
| 18:29.37 | Thurwell | you can't have chicken parties on core servers |
| 18:29.48 | Bloodwalker | you could if they perma flagged |
| 18:30.00 | tortall | you can in rvr ponds. |
| 18:30.31 | Bloodwalker | but open rvr is more fun... everything is rvr .. no need to worry.. Ooops Im in the lake Im dead |
| 18:30.44 | Thurwell | we joined an alliance last night on the open/nonrp server. 5 minutes later I had /a filtered out of all my tabs, so did the whole guild. So what good is the alliance, we'll never know anything's going on |
| 18:31.30 | Bloodwalker | you guys headed to dark crag? |
| 18:31.34 | Thurwell | yeah |
| 18:31.48 | Bloodwalker | it got messed up good... last night there was a queue to get on |
| 18:31.57 | Thurwell | Bright wizards all have the most idiotic names |
| 18:32.21 | Thurwell | My rvr group targets the BWs by who has the dumbest name first |
| 18:32.25 | Bloodwalker | thats another nice thing.. you can report the players like.. Ididyourmom |
| 18:32.47 | Thorien | Uh not all BW's have idiot names |
| 18:32.50 | Thurwell | yeah, but on CW you could report Halogod too |
| 18:33.10 | Thorien | I've seen some cool ones |
| 18:33.25 | Bloodwalker | Ya made for a better game when you dont have to see those running around everywhere |
| 18:34.05 | Thurwell | I think I woulda preferred a core-RP over normal open. Assuming there's any core-RPs with decent pop |
| 18:34.54 | Bloodwalker | I wasnt 40 yet so I dont mind so much remaking if I can find a decent rp server |
| 18:35.08 | Bloodwalker | I can set my rvr flag and pretend its chaos wastes |
| 18:35.14 | Thurwell | I was...I think 35. Still too late to want to reroll |
| 18:35.21 | tortall | I was going to split my time between my current server and an RP server to play with some old comrades from the DAoC RP servers. |
| 18:36.01 | tortall | But the ex-DAoC alliance people decided to turn the alliance into an elitist-asshole party, so I never played there. Shame too. Good people there. |
| 18:36.28 | Bloodwalker | thats when you roll the other realm and spank them on principle |
| 18:37.13 | tortall | I'd need a ton of friends to do that. they rolled destro. |
| 18:37.34 | tortall | And they're a solid RvR alliance from Mid/Percival. |
| 18:37.42 | Bloodwalker | have you seen altdorf btw? |
| 18:37.47 | Thurwell | Heh, according to waralytics order is 21% BWs, 15% IBs, and everything else under 10 on my server. Yeah, hopefully BWs got a huuuge nerf |
| 18:38.11 | WikkiFizzle | our bws havent noticed too much of a diff |
| 18:38.18 | Thurwell | sigh |
| 18:38.21 | tortall | I've seen it. What about Altdorf? |
| 18:38.23 | Thurwell | wouldn't surprise me |
| 18:38.30 | Bloodwalker | I went to look at altdorf and the city has huge advantage over inevitable |
| 18:38.43 | Thurwell | back to getting 2 shotted by BWs. On my tank. Stupid mythic |
| 18:39.05 | tortall | I think it's going to be a long time before I have to worry about how the city layouts affect anything. |
| 18:39.14 | Bloodwalker | inevitable is mostly open space.. altdorf is tiny street.. for defending from attacks altdorf has the advantage of street to street guerilla combat |
| 18:39.44 | Thurwell | city fights are some sort of semi-instanced pq, I'm not sure how much the layour matters |
| 18:40.01 | Bloodwalker | dont know about that couple days ago order was assaulting one of the fortresses on volkmar |
| 18:40.33 | tortall | on REM, the Tier IV zones crash during fortress fights. |
| 18:40.34 | Bloodwalker | Ive seen the maps to the capital cities at war... layout will be a factor |
| 18:40.34 | Thurwell | I thought order saced IC on volkmar a coupla weeks back |
| 18:40.42 | tortall | same thing happened on Volkmar, IIRC |
| 18:41.05 | Bloodwalker | dont know about sacking the city |
| 18:42.38 | Bloodwalker | in any case when I saw the layouts I thought was pretty cheap how order got the advantage with the streets and the parrapets.. and IC was all open.. like an invitation to invasion |
| 18:43.01 | Thurwell | plus IC has a bunch of cliffs to get knocked off, another nice advantage for order |
| 18:43.22 | Bloodwalker | no kidding |
| 18:43.53 | Bloodwalker | the walkway to the citadel is narrow with endless pits on both sides |
| 18:44.10 | Thurwell | I wanted to play a chaos warrior so I started destro, should've done some research and realized the whole game's stacked in favor of order |
| 18:44.49 | Thurwell | But then I played hibernia on daoc, so at least I'm repeating my mistakes |
| 18:45.25 | tortall | Hibernia does extremely well. The only problem it ever had was population. |
| 18:45.35 | tortall | But that's really getting off-topic :) |
| 18:45.46 | Thurwell | We've been off topic for a while |
| 18:45.54 | Bloodwalker | lol |
| 18:46.06 | Bloodwalker | and Ive been off my rocker for even longer |
| 18:46.26 | Thurwell | maybe after 5 years they worked out all the balance, but it started out pretty sucky |
| 18:46.57 | Bloodwalker | balance is always the thoughest thing to manage... always a moving target too, its never finished |
| 18:48.41 | tortall | Balance was never bad for Hib. I played there within the first year of release, and for a total of about 5 years. |
| 18:48.46 | Thurwell | at least they made all the classes more fun to play in WAR. Being a healer or singer in rvr in daoc....ugh |
| 18:48.59 | Thurwell | or a buffbot. There's a fun class :) |
| 18:49.30 | tortall | I kind of miss conc buffs, though. Dying in combat meant bad stuff in daoc. This game is so meh. |
| 18:49.56 | Bloodwalker | thats the WOW influence |
| 18:50.02 | Thurwell | yes, leveling a char to 50 so you can pay an extra 15 bucks a month to park him at the realm fort. fantastic idea |
| 18:50.13 | tortall | Definitely. Lots of little buffs spread across classes |
| 18:50.32 | tortall | I ran 3 accounts in daoc. |
| 18:51.08 | tortall | Ran around with a fully-buffed BG bot on my eld :) |
| 18:51.22 | Thurwell | I don't recall dying in combat meant anything in daoc, at least not pvp deaths. |
| 18:51.39 | tortall | in group settings, it did. a rez left you unbuffed. |
| 18:51.53 | Thurwell | well yeah, other than that |
| 18:52.03 | tortall | I'm talking about in-combat rezzing. not die-and-release. |
| 18:52.46 | tortall | I do think it sucks that zealot marks are one-to-a-customer. there should be more benefit to having multiple zealots in a group. |
| 18:53.24 | Thurwell | lots of the resist buffs overwrite too. Not much point in having more than 1 or two discord chosen around (not much point to having chosen around at all, but that's another story) |
| 18:54.02 | Bloodwalker | think they are simply trying to force diversity.. so each class has their place in a group |
| 18:54.04 | tortall | I just hate that in RvR, I have to lose my WP buff to get resists on my zealot. |
| 18:55.26 | Thurwell | it's nice that a decent set of rvr equipment doesn't involve a spreadsheet and begging an armor crafter to spend a day or two junking equipment |
| 18:56.08 | tortall | Ah, but it would be nice to have the option. Crafting serves very little purpose that I've seen. |
| 18:56.25 | Bloodwalker | all in all WH is more fun the WoW for me I gave up on WoW ages ago |
| 18:56.25 | tortall | I think WoW has some of the best crafting atm. |
| 18:56.28 | Thurwell | thank god, crafting was always design as a time sink, not to be fun |
| 18:57.48 | Thurwell | I was pleased to see CoH not include any crafting at all, but eventually they caved and added some in |
| 18:57.52 | tortall | I think Mythic would have preferred to leave out crafting altogether. |
| 18:58.14 | tortall | What does CoH have? I played a long time ago for a bit, and there wasn't any at the time. |
| 18:58.17 | nicoli_s | i remember how gimped half the crafting skills were when war launched |
| 18:58.37 | tortall | At release, yes. AC/WC had no worthwhile recipes. |
| 18:58.38 | Thurwell | I don't know, they added crafting to CoH after I left |
| 18:58.42 | tortall | Not really until TBC. |
| 18:58.53 | Thorien | Crafting is a very good thing for games that want an economy |
| 18:58.59 | Thorien | seldom is it done well |
| 18:59.02 | tortall | Enchanting and alchemy, though, were always useful in wow |
| 18:59.20 | tortall | and tailoring, too, for the bags! :P |
| 18:59.37 | Thorien | SWG had some awesome crafting |
| 18:59.50 | Thorien | until they completely screwed it |
| 18:59.54 | tortall | It's clear that Mythic doesn't want an economy in WAR. There's nothing you need gold for after your mount. |
| 19:00.04 | Thurwell | if you read some dev round tables crafting isn't there for fun or the economy, just to get people to spend more time online |
| 19:00.08 | Thorien | yeah, I noticed that |
| 19:00.34 | tortall | I rather like it. |
| 19:00.39 | Thurwell | ign used to have a monthly one, I dunno if they still do |
| 19:00.46 | Thorien | N00b devs maybe say things like that |
| 19:00.49 | Bloodwalker | CoH was fun.. spent hours in the character creator.. but it went downhill after that.. cept for lfying |
| 19:00.51 | tortall | What I don't like is the WoW-style grinds to get gear to do city invasions. |
| 19:00.53 | Bloodwalker | flying |
| 19:00.55 | Thorien | but experienced ones dont |
| 19:01.19 | Thorien | the whole hamster wheel thing does suck |
| 19:01.26 | Thurwell | you're not supposed to have to grind, but since it takes 100s of people to take a fort, usually fails, and only drops 6 gold bags... |
| 19:02.11 | tortall | The only gold bag I've gotten yet was from a PQ, and the top loot was garbage for my zealot. |
| 19:02.43 | Thurwell | Keep's drop 3 gold bags guaranteed now, so if you start participating in t4s when you get to 30ish you should have an anni set before you can wear it |
| 19:02.57 | tortall | Itemization is so bad that I still have a loot bag on my zealot where the item reward is a sword (zealots can't equip), and to top it off, it's race-specific too. For Empire. |
| 19:03.27 | Thurwell | Whoever made all the magus equipment was apprently convinced we're healers, 2/3 of it has willpower |
| 19:03.36 | tortall | Same for sorcs. |
| 19:03.42 | Thorien | yeah my BW has teh same issue |
| 19:03.52 | WikkiFizzle | all classes have that issue |
| 19:03.55 | Thorien | someone at mythic got confused |
| 19:04.00 | tortall | And really, the mistake is blindness. Devs think players care about mitigation on casters, but we don't |
| 19:04.13 | tortall | burst DPS is the only thing that matters, and devs don't want to hear it. |
| 19:04.18 | Thurwell | We would if willpower had a noticeable effect |
| 19:04.36 | Thurwell | making my resist go from 2% to 5% tho...means nothing |
| 19:04.37 | tortall | I disrupt a noticable bit on my zealot, because she stacks WP. |
| 19:04.40 | Thorien | not all devs are idiots |
| 19:04.53 | nicoli_s | i hate the magus gear with a passion |
| 19:04.58 | nicoli_s | specially the set gear |
| 19:05.04 | Thorien | remember, management makes the decisions |
| 19:05.06 | tortall | All set gear is garbage. |
| 19:05.09 | nicoli_s | i hate how it's just like "lets give +5 to 12 random stats" |
| 19:05.19 | tortall | no resists on any of it |
| 19:05.23 | Thurwell | Yeah, all the set gear sucks. no resists and it raises all your stats, including the 5 you don't want |
| 19:05.29 | Thorien | The set gear isnt very good, is it |
| 19:05.47 | Bloodwalker | lua> a = "abc 123"; if string.match(a, "^%w+$") then return "Good" else return "Bad" end |
| 19:05.47 | lua_bot | Bloodwalker: Bad |
| 19:05.55 | Bloodwalker | lua> a = "abc_123"; if string.match(a, "^%w+$") then return "Good" else return "Bad" end |
| 19:05.55 | Thorien | the devastator set bumped my Int.. |
| 19:05.55 | lua_bot | Bloodwalker: Bad |
| 19:06.09 | Thurwell | dev was ok. But anni set? Willpower |
| 19:06.13 | tortall | I have one piece of magus set gear atm (she's only 20), and the 2 piece bonus is +29 WP and the 3 piece is +2 to Flickering Red Fire, a spell no magus uses. ever. |
| 19:06.37 | nicoli_s | i do...a little.... |
| 19:06.37 | Thurwell | I use it on oil sometimes... |
| 19:06.42 | Bloodwalker | lua> a = "abc_123"; if string.match(a, "^[%w_]+$") then return "Good" else return "Bad" end |
| 19:06.42 | lua_bot | Bloodwalker: Good |
| 19:06.53 | Bloodwalker | lua> a = "abc_/' 123"; if string.match(a, "^[%w_]+$") then return "Good" else return "Bad" end |
| 19:06.53 | lua_bot | Bloodwalker: Bad |
| 19:06.57 | nicoli_s | itd be better with a slightly shorter cast time |
| 19:07.02 | Bloodwalker | lua> a = "abc_/'123"; if string.match(a, "^[%w_]+$") then return "Good" else return "Bad" end |
| 19:07.02 | lua_bot | Bloodwalker: Bad |
| 19:07.09 | tortall | Like a 1 sec cast. |
| 19:07.16 | tortall | Anything more lowers dps |
| 19:07.33 | tortall | it's better to spam your dots to get the first tick damage. |
| 19:07.38 | tortall | I've tested :p |
| 19:08.00 | tortall | The only time to use it is when you really really can't get to 65 range to unload the dots. |
| 19:08.21 | Thurwell | bloodlord set is +int, but then instead of +crit and +corp it's disrupt and spirit. You just can't win |
| 19:08.32 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:08.55 | Thurwell | at 100 you've still got violet, baleful, and IfoC. Never end up using red |
| 19:09.34 | Thurwell | Oh, and withered soul, gotta throw that first if it's a healer |
| 19:09.53 | nicoli_s | have you tried out the post 1.06 changes? |
| 19:09.54 | tortall | My magus is only 20. Don't have all the toys yet. |
| 19:10.04 | tortall | Not yet, but I expect good things |
| 19:10.16 | Thurwell | Hmmm, withered soul is 1460 dmg. I might have to go with that first now... |
| 19:10.18 | tortall | I can already post top damage and DBs in scenarios. |
| 19:10.50 | Thurwell | Wait til T4 dude, that'll end fast |
| 19:11.18 | nicoli_s | i do alright in tier 3, i'm in the upper levels of damage dealing usuually |
| 19:11.37 | tortall | We'll see. |
| 19:11.55 | tortall | Damage isn't so important anyway. DBs matter. Winning the scenario matters. |
| 19:12.05 | tortall | And we got a nice dps boost, on paper, anyway. |
| 19:12.12 | Thurwell | Yeah, I could often top the sorcs in t3. I dunno what happened in t4 tho |
| 19:12.27 | nicoli_s | yah i just logged in and checked out the specs on the spells, damage went up alot |
| 19:12.33 | tortall | Almost worth slapping down the pet in moving fights, if the damage was really upped |
| 19:12.52 | nicoli_s | and ours pets finally got upped, i hated being level 20 and my pet would die in three hits cuz he was like 15 or 14 |
| 19:12.55 | Thurwell | If they'd just fix resummon it'd be easy |
| 19:12.58 | tortall | I didn't go demonology, so I don't have the instant cast pet |
| 19:13.24 | Thurwell | if your points are all in one path your pet should be higher level than you, unless you were casting a pet you weren't specced in |
| 19:13.57 | nicoli_s | really? all my pets ahve always been a few levels lower than me, at least i thought so |
| 19:14.00 | tortall | the pet level change was more for SHs |
| 19:14.19 | tortall | I can't wait to try both my SH and Magus when I get home. |
| 19:14.24 | Thurwell | The pets are (were) path of spells, so you could only cast the one you were specced in or you'd get a crap one |
| 19:14.59 | Thurwell | Now if you'll notice the pets aren't, but the pets abilities are. So you can cast the other two pets and they'll be higher level, but you'll still get better damage out of the correct pet |
| 19:15.50 | tortall | I never really thought about that. |
| 19:15.52 | nicoli_s | i just know the one i was using was putting out like 15 damage per hit when i was 20 |
| 19:15.54 | tortall | Thanks for pointing it out. |
| 19:16.21 | tortall | I put down what I think is best for the situation. basically blue for closeup and red for range. |
| 19:16.31 | tortall | Now I'll have to see which one I actually specced for :p |
| 19:16.34 | Thurwell | If you have a dps meter installed, like tortalls, you'll see that the pet damage added up to something fairly significant |
| 19:16.50 | tortall | Yup. |
| 19:16.56 | Thurwell | Guh, you can't do that. havoc is pink, demon is blue, change is flamer |
| 19:18.17 | tortall | Well, now that I know that, I bet my damage numbers go up :) |
| 19:18.28 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 19:18.54 | Thurwell | Should go up anyway, they said they buffed the pet's autoattack and made them all come in the same level |
| 19:19.38 | Thurwell | so now it's just the pet's abilities (those passive abilities you trained up til lvl 18) that are affected by mastery |
| 19:20.01 | tortall | Still. More damage > less damage :) |
| 19:20.12 | Thurwell | yeah |
| 19:20.23 | tortall | Now, on my squiggy, it's a different story |
| 19:20.28 | Thurwell | Besides which, I noticed the flamer had a pretty damn good range anyway. It was somewhere around 80 feet |
| 19:20.38 | tortall | There, I choose the pet for the bonus I want, and not for the pet's abilities |
| 19:20.56 | Thurwell | yup, squig pet is like the SW stance |
| 19:20.57 | tortall | I think auto-attack is same range for all pets |
| 19:21.22 | tortall | Because even the blue will attack things at the edge of my range. |
| 19:22.16 | tortall | besides, you can't go wrong with 10% range boost and a pet with KB |
| 19:22.25 | Thurwell | Guess at 20 you don't have resummon yet, it's an instant cast that moves your pet to your location. In theory, in reality it does nothing |
| 19:22.48 | Thurwell | If it worked it'd be nice |
| 19:23.18 | tortall | Ya. It's also annoying that the pet dies if you get too far from it. |
| 19:23.27 | Thurwell | or mount up |
| 19:23.45 | tortall | would love if my SH pet would stay if I mounted. |
| 19:23.48 | Thurwell | tho that one's worse for SHs |
| 19:23.49 | tortall | like in daoc |
| 19:24.02 | tortall | i lose 1/3 of my dps when that happens. |
| 19:24.15 | tortall | so annoying chasing anyone in rvr, but worse when being chased. |
| 19:24.21 | Thurwell | Incidentally, instability on the magus is now a 5s knockdown |
| 19:24.34 | tortall | i don't have that yet. |
| 19:24.38 | Thurwell | I might have to actually cast it now and then |
| 19:24.44 | tortall | so i wouldn't notice a change |
| 19:24.46 | Thurwell | level 25, makes your pet explode |
| 19:24.57 | tortall | ooh, that is nice |
| 19:25.24 | Thurwell | Yeah, with the pet doing more damage and having the 5s KD I'll have to pay a lot more attention where I put it |
| 19:25.27 | tortall | i notice the knockback doesn't always work. not sure if it's my target choice or a bug |
| 19:25.49 | Thurwell | let's see, summon is 2s now. was it 2 or 3 before? |
| 19:26.11 | tortall | Would be killer in MT. probably why we don't get it that early :p |
| 19:26.12 | Thurwell | Well one, if they've just gotten hit with a KB they're immune, and 2, they could dodge/block/disrupt it |
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| 19:26.23 | tortall | I don't remember, but I'm thinking no change there. |
| 19:26.35 | Thurwell | Also, if there's an uphill slope behind them, KB's a waste of time |
| 19:27.15 | Thurwell | you'll learn alllll about your KB spell as you go through tor anroc :) |
| 19:27.22 | tortall | I wish all knockbacks were just knockdowns. would make terrain not be an advantage to order |
| 19:27.39 | tortall | I have a 31 zealot. I know all about TA. Also my SH is 27. |
| 19:27.50 | Thurwell | by the time I hit 31 I was a master, never went into the lava and punted in 4 or 5 people a scen |
| 19:28.23 | tortall | The only thing stopping me from punting more on my SH is that it's a morale on a 60 sec cooldown :) |
| 19:28.30 | Thurwell | Heh, they said something about lava not effectively rooting you any more, so maybe it won't be as big a deal |
| 19:28.38 | Thurwell | It's on a 10s cooldown on magus |
| 19:28.40 | tortall | we can hope. |
| 19:28.56 | Bloodwalker | knockdowns are irritating too with the animation glitches |
| 19:28.59 | tortall | I know. but magus also suffers from the taller model problem |
| 19:29.02 | Thurwell | the patch notes were vague, somethnig about stacking, so I'm not sure |
| 19:29.04 | Bloodwalker | and roots |
| 19:29.13 | tortall | roots and snares won't stack |
| 19:29.23 | tortall | so the IB snare on their KB won't stack with lava snare |
| 19:29.24 | Thurwell | yeah but then it mentioned lava specifically |
| 19:29.28 | tortall | and lava damage will break roots |
| 19:29.31 | Bloodwalker | not that they stack but more then once Ive had to jump well after the root is gone jsut to move again |
| 19:29.50 | Thurwell | It was almost impossible to move in the lava even with no root or snare |
| 19:30.06 | tortall | nah. if I'm not snared, it's possible to move. |
| 19:30.17 | tortall | move enough is another story though |
| 19:30.33 | tortall | but IB KB has a snare on it too, so basically order could get insta-kills |
| 19:30.36 | tortall | double-snare in lava |
| 19:30.54 | Thurwell | somewhere in t4 IBs get a 4s KD. it's basically a death sentence |
| 19:30.57 | tortall | and worse if a BW hits fire cage as you launch |
| 19:31.31 | Thurwell | then again WHs have a 150 ft pull on a 10s timer, so maybe a 4s KD isn't so bad |
| 19:31.40 | tortall | I think any movement should automatically break roots too. KB included |
| 19:31.52 | tortall | WL, not WH |
| 19:31.59 | Thurwell | yeah yeah |
| 19:32.04 | Thurwell | Whatever, it sucks. 10s cooldown sucks |
| 19:32.35 | Thurwell | Watch your healers just go pop pop pop sometime and wonder how that ability got a timer less than 60s |
| 19:32.42 | tortall | all fetch mechanics are stupid, including magus/engineers |
| 19:33.07 | Thurwell | Hardly anyone bothers with the magus/eng one anyway |
| 19:34.30 | tortall | not anymore. esp. after today ;) |
| 19:34.48 | Thurwell | Weren't any changes to it today that I'm aware |
| 19:35.04 | tortall | hmm. maybe they already made the changes in 1.05 |
| 19:35.18 | Thurwell | I dunno when, they hotfixed in the triple nerf a while back |
| 19:35.26 | tortall | 3 second cast, 65 range, fewer targets. |
| 19:35.38 | Thurwell | defendable too |
| 19:35.45 | tortall | all good changes. |
| 19:35.47 | Thurwell | and it's only 1s |
| 19:36.08 | tortall | oh, but not on the move anymore. something about the casting i remember. |
| 19:36.18 | Thurwell | right, that's the 1s time |
| 19:36.26 | tortall | wasn't playing my magus at the time, so didn't really bother with the details. |
| 19:36.40 | tortall | well, there are many spells that have cast time that can be cast while moving. |
| 19:36.57 | Thurwell | But remember rift targeting is at end of cast, you start and they move out of range, rift does nothing. WL/Mar starts and you move out of range, you're still punted to him |
| 19:37.23 | tortall | and those are core abilities too |
| 19:37.33 | Thurwell | yar, gotta gimp your char for rift |
| 19:38.26 | Thurwell | Haven't seen any indication they will, but they gotta do something about those pulls |
| 19:39.25 | tortall | at least mar is only 65 range. 150 range on WL is ridiculous. That can reach the backline and pull into order's line |
| 19:39.34 | tortall | maur can only pull frontline into frontline |
| 19:41.04 | Thurwell | in theory you can kill the WL's cat as it heads to target, but half the time you never even see the cat go there |
| 19:42.03 | Thurwell | I wonder if I can hack bloodwalker's compass into warboard |
| 19:42.24 | Bloodwalker | hehe |
| 19:42.57 | Thurwell | I'm thinking write a wrapper and keep your addon as a dependency, make it clear where the compass came from and save me having to maintain it |
| 19:42.59 | Bloodwalker | wouldnt be to difficult to make ui board addon modules |
| 19:43.50 | Thurwell | I made something that's supposed to enable warrboard_vps in waaaghbar (untested), which has made me reluctant to put any more graphical windows in waaaghbar. that's not what that bar is for |
| 19:44.34 | Bloodwalker | is the height of the bar resizeable? |
| 19:44.55 | Thurwell | Don't think so, warboard is 30, waaagh 32, snt isn't really a bar so can be any size |
| 19:45.39 | tortall | WB isn't fixed. You can modify the template |
| 19:45.42 | Bloodwalker | I had to do something odd to get the compass to look right... I use a horizontal scrollbar to hide the extra compass text |
| 19:45.51 | tortall | However, the layout code may get confused. |
| 19:46.08 | Bloodwalker | so its not very friendly to resizing |
| 19:46.18 | Thurwell | It's true you can modify the template, but it'd look pretty bad wouldn't it |
| 19:46.18 | tortall | Bloodwalker, does your compass look like the one in DAoC? |
| 19:46.29 | Thurwell | he's got screenshots of it up |
| 19:46.45 | Thurwell | Hmm, I was hoping it'd be smaller |
| 19:46.46 | tortall | If you made it 60, that might work, if the layout code in WB is smart about it. |
| 19:46.46 | Bloodwalker | it does.. theres screen shots and now the frame and background can be alphaed out |
| 19:47.16 | tortall | I'll have to check it out then. I hate having to look at the minimap to see which way I am facing |
| 19:47.30 | Thurwell | the actual compass is 38 tall? |
| 19:48.02 | Bloodwalker | the compass window is 50 tall |
| 19:48.18 | Thurwell | saw that, but was wondering what you meant by without the frame |
| 19:48.22 | Bloodwalker | with the frame.. the moving cardinal directions label is 38 |
| 19:49.04 | Thurwell | Hrm. Interesting |
| 19:49.44 | Bloodwalker | the compass is a default frame.. with a horizonatal scroll inside.. with a label inside with the cardinal directions.. which get reanchored so the right direction is in the middle |
| 19:51.08 | Thurwell | Not sure if it's worth the trouble over just using your window tho |
| 19:51.18 | Bloodwalker | the compass seems real popular so far.. wasnt planning to do alot with it just yet but might be something to work on some more |
| 19:51.50 | Bloodwalker | I made the compass and the coordinates seperate so you can fit them almost anywhere |
| 19:51.53 | tortall | All I want is the daoc compass. I may take your code and shrink the UI a bit to fit on my own bar mod. |
| 19:52.13 | Thurwell | Which bar mod do you use? |
| 19:52.29 | tortall | my own. no features. just does what i want and nothing else :) |
| 19:52.32 | Thurwell | He doesn't make it clear, but I think from the comments it's actually two windows and you can turn off the loc one, leaving just the compass |
| 19:52.32 | Bloodwalker | the compass uses MapMonster for the position and direction data |
| 19:53.06 | Bloodwalker | you can hide the positions with the layout editor |
| 19:53.22 | Thurwell | right, so it's registered as two different windows? |
| 19:53.27 | Bloodwalker | right |
| 19:53.42 | Thurwell | are they anchored to each other? |
| 19:53.44 | tortall | I just may want it as a smaller display than what you have. I'll try it when I get home. I like minimalist displays, and that includes smaller elements |
| 19:53.45 | Bloodwalker | cause I knew someone would ask how to turn one off :) |
| 19:54.09 | Thurwell | You should add a screenshot of just the compass up there, I bet more people would download it then |
| 19:54.39 | Bloodwalker | their original positions are but no problems moving them in the layout editor |
| 19:57.51 | Thurwell | I guess my wrapper idea won't work, who knows what functionality you'll add with mapmonster and how that might screw it up |
| 19:58.25 | Thurwell | bummer |
| 20:01.14 | Bloodwalker | just thought of a wa to reduce the twitchiness.. seems to improve things abit |
| 20:01.56 | Bloodwalker | game positions are strange things |
| 20:02.12 | Bloodwalker | take one step ahead and another backwards.. and you dont end up in the same place you started |
| 20:03.39 | Thurwell | Yeah, don't run away backwards, you'll die |
| 20:03.41 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r11 Source/MM_Navigator.lua: Slight improvement to twitchiness of the compass |
| 20:07.31 | *** join/#waruidev Flarin (n=mstamper@nat-lmt.mentorg.com) |
| 20:09.42 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r33 / (8 files in 3 directories): Loading and saved data fixes |
| 20:09.43 | Repo | Disabled editing of pin type ids |
| 20:09.51 | Repo | Start of localization of the editor |
| 20:09.57 | Repo | Removed some debug message since the compass will spam them |
| 20:11.34 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r47 Source (10 files in 1 directory): Fixes to loading and saved data |
| 20:11.35 | Repo | Frist steps to converting to MapMonsterAPI |
| 20:18.28 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r12 Source/MM_Navigator.lua: |
| 20:18.28 | Repo | Typo gremlins strike again, can now set alpha on both windows not just the compass |
| 20:24.56 | *** join/#waruidev Daegalus (n=Daegalus@32.157.101.181) |
| 20:25.55 | Daegalus | muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....hi |
| 20:26.10 | NigelTufnel | hello |
| 20:27.14 | NigelTufnel | is that a scheming or conniving muahaha |
| 20:27.22 | NigelTufnel | or perhaps a different type of muahaha |
| 20:27.24 | Daegalus | how is everyone? |
| 20:27.43 | talvinen | amazed |
| 20:28.11 | talvinen | stopped playing WAR today to read the last 200 pages of Spin |
| 20:28.16 | talvinen | best scifi book evar |
| 20:29.34 | Daegalus | schemeing and conniving and evil... at the same time |
| 20:29.34 | Daegalus | im making a rage log addon that sends a set msg to all channels and ctds you |
| 20:30.23 | Daegalus | oh, has 1.0.6 blown up yet |
| 20:30.38 | Bloodwalker | hey Daegalus |
| 20:31.23 | Daegalus | hey bloodwalker |
| 20:36.33 | WikkiFizzle | Just got a popup IG |
| 20:36.40 | WikkiFizzle | that servers coming down in 30 minutes for maintenance |
| 20:37.24 | Daegalus | IG? |
| 20:37.31 | nicoli_s | in game |
| 20:38.10 | Daegalus | ah, wonder what broke. Quick to the Herald! |
| 20:40.15 | Daegalus | im just used to ig being lowercase. i assumed it was in game but wanted to make sure |
| 20:46.19 | Daegalus | so how flooded are T1 and T2 with KotBS and BG |
| 20:46.48 | WikkiFizzle | its crazy |
| 20:46.50 | WikkiFizzle | I did one on a healer |
| 20:46.52 | WikkiFizzle | and it was me |
| 20:46.55 | WikkiFizzle | and the rest was kotbs |
| 20:47.00 | Thurwell | Not like the T1 areas can't handle the pop, they were fine on opening day, but it'll make the scens really dull |
| 20:47.06 | WikkiFizzle | one of the slowest games Ive ever had |
| 20:48.16 | Thurwell | T1 scens are so funny, chars running around in their shirts with no armor and no abilities |
| 20:49.25 | Daegalus | lol. this should be fun tonight on my RP |
| 20:49.35 | Darktao | and the people that scream at them for not wearing their 1 armor stuff |
| 20:50.03 | Thurwell | oh, you mean going for the naked unlocks? |
| 20:50.11 | Darktao | yeah |
| 20:50.19 | Daegalus | my RP is level 13.... |
| 20:50.36 | Darktao | Im rather disappointed by the BG |
| 20:50.49 | Thurwell | He looks pretty nice to me |
| 20:51.02 | Darktao | someting just seems off |
| 20:51.15 | Darktao | when 2 r3 BG's, cant kill a r4 KoTBS |
| 20:51.23 | Darktao | well |
| 20:51.31 | Darktao | not before he gets friends after 2 minutes |
| 20:51.59 | Thurwell | tanks fighting tanks...guys with lots of defense and little offense. |
| 20:52.00 | Thurwell | Hmm |
| 20:52.26 | Darktao | but 2v1? |
| 20:52.34 | Darktao | and only take like 50% of his health |
| 20:52.50 | Darktao | maybe it gets better with more rank |
| 20:53.14 | Thurwell | Don't think so, tanks always suck at killing other tanks |
| 20:53.23 | Flarin | tank v tank = epic fail |
| 20:53.31 | Daegalus | defensive tank vs offensivetank. who wins? |
| 20:53.36 | Flarin | i like the BG - its like 2 pots of AP |
| 20:53.37 | Darktao | not much choice anymore |
| 20:53.41 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r102 / (6 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.7.4 for changeset d1e643150e2a |
| 20:53.43 | Repo | FIXED: Text for solo/group frames should work properly now. |
| 20:53.51 | Darktao | 5000000 BG and KoTBS right now |
| 20:54.07 | Thurwell | To say the BG is an offensive tank...maybe. I'm not so sure |
| 20:54.25 | Darktao | it was supposed to be |
| 20:54.52 | Thurwell | And the IB was supposed to be defensive, look how well they pulled that off |
| 20:55.14 | Aiiane | lunch and classtime, bbl |
| 20:55.16 | Daegalus | i remenber the T1 ptr tabkfests |
| 20:55.20 | Flarin | my understanding is the KoTBS > BG in 1v1. Cant comment on PvE tanking - which one is Better? BO ?? Chosen ?? BG ?? IB ?? KoTBS |
| 20:55.23 | Thurwell | fact is, you gotta take what the devs give you and figure out how it's most effective and ignore how the devs thought it should be used |
| 20:55.49 | Thurwell | My understanding is that kotbs get an armor debuff and bg do not, so bg are screwed. Tho I can't find the armor debuff atm, maybe it got remove |
| 20:56.08 | Daegalus | ib and bg are offensive tanks. its what their roll has always been |
| 20:56.24 | Thurwell | No the bg was supposed to be a buff tank |
| 20:56.27 | Daegalus | role* |
| 20:56.41 | Daegalus | nope thats the kotbs |
| 20:56.49 | Thurwell | right, sorry, I meant kotbs |
| 20:56.58 | Thurwell | thought you said kotbs and bg |
| 20:57.08 | Thurwell | I don't see that armor debuff, I guess it got removed |
| 20:57.26 | Daegalus | sm and bg are antimagic |
| 20:57.52 | Thurwell | Thing that I hear is if you want to do damage with the bg don't build your hate up |
| 20:58.07 | Daegalus | pretty much |
| 20:58.09 | Thurwell | cause at high levels, 3 hate per hit, takes longer to activate hate activated abilities. at low levels, 10 per |
| 20:58.16 | Thurwell | but if you need defense, build it up |
| 20:58.18 | Daegalus | faster hate gain at low hate |
| 20:58.30 | Thurwell | Depending on your spec, tho no one has a spec yet |
| 20:58.54 | Thurwell | kotbs gets quake |
| 20:59.11 | Daegalus | tanks have a crazy mirroribg systen |
| 20:59.25 | Daegalus | mirroring system* |
| 20:59.28 | Thurwell | kotbs and chosen look pretty close |
| 21:00.38 | Thurwell | the one advantage is kotbs can go into a permanent hold the line |
| 21:00.41 | Daegalus | ya they are direct mirrors |
| 21:00.53 | Daegalus | but the other tank mix |
| 21:01.16 | Thurwell | There's some mixing. Like kotbs and bg both get the 150 dmg/ignore 25% armor attack |
| 21:01.39 | Thurwell | lot of tank abilities are so generic that it's kind of hard to tell |
| 21:02.00 | Thurwell | Look, another melee attack that does X damage. Zzzzzzz |
| 21:02.24 | Daegalus | ib and bg are offensive and bo and sm are inbetween off nd def. but sm abd bg are antinaguc and bo and ib are heavy tanks |
| 21:02.42 | Daegalus | antimagic* |
| 21:03.07 | Thurwell | bg gets some nice self heals |
| 21:03.21 | Daegalus | yup |
| 21:03.25 | Daegalus | and nope |
| 21:03.27 | talvinen | i think the bg tank tree is pretty awesome |
| 21:03.39 | Daegalus | the self heal is minimal atbest |
| 21:03.51 | talvinen | 75% ap reduction on tank skills, yummie |
| 21:03.54 | Thurwell | he's got an attack that gives a little hp, a morale that gives a ton, and he can blow all his hate for a bunch of hp |
| 21:04.23 | Daegalus | i like kotbs being abke to make half his avilities be no ap |
| 21:04.47 | Thurwell | The take half dmg ability is pretty huge too |
| 21:05.10 | Daegalus | 1 tactic nakes auras no ap |
| 21:05.31 | Thurwell | Yeah chosen get that, forget it, it's not worth a slot |
| 21:05.37 | Daegalus | the other is shield slan, counter and vlade no ap |
| 21:05.50 | Thurwell | auras are only 20 ap, even twisting it's not that big a deal. and who bothers to twist |
| 21:09.06 | Thurwell | well, should be interesting when they start showing up. Tho really they look like any tank, ignore them til the healers are dead |
| 21:09.50 | Daegalus | lol, the thorn aura is pretty op |
| 21:10.08 | Thurwell | on your guard? |
| 21:10.23 | Daegalus | i think thats ut |
| 21:10.29 | Daegalus | it* |
| 21:10.41 | Thurwell | I don't do melee dmg, so meh :) |
| 21:11.04 | Daegalus | as a healer ny biggest enemy is melee |
| 21:11.16 | Daegalus | i can heal through rabged dng |
| 21:11.41 | Thurwell | chosen can do something pretty similar with dire shield |
| 21:11.42 | Daegalus | bah, my iphone typing sucks today |
| 21:12.20 | Thurwell | chosen are 10s out of every 30, but isn't limited to melee and does more dmg |
| 21:13.02 | Thurwell | Hmm, well I guess 17/30 if he uses baneful shielding, but two tactics commited to one ability? not likely |
| 21:13.03 | Daegalus | ya, but the kotbs isnt timed |
| 21:14.01 | Thurwell | that's what you get for playing v2, corrupting horror is incredibly gimp and got replaced with something good |
| 21:15.25 | Thurwell | You gotta love chosen. 13 mastery points into the offense tree to get an attack that does 100 dmg. Woo. |
| 21:15.53 | Daegalus | they said they will be doing another tank balance after they see some live monitoring |
| 21:16.18 | Daegalus | with the new tabks |
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| 21:27.03 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r13 Source/MM_Navigator.lua: Another stab at making the compass less twitchy |
| 21:27.05 | Repo | Skip compass update if the direction is +/- 1 degree |
| 21:27.34 | Bloodwalker | for such a simpleshape.. a circle is a pain in the ass |
| 21:27.56 | Thurwell | What's the repo bot on here do? |
| 21:28.24 | Aii | announces commits to curseforge's repositories |
| 21:28.28 | Aii | among other things |
| 21:28.39 | Bloodwalker | spits out all the commit messages and a couple commands for project urls |
| 21:28.49 | Thurwell | Ah, was wondering if it's something I need to know about. Sounds automatic |
| 21:29.15 | Bloodwalker | could do a bunch of fake commits and send Aiiane love notes through the bot |
| 21:29.27 | Thurwell | Is she hot? |
| 21:29.55 | Thurwell | Hah. Ok how about this, how come you're logged in twice? |
| 21:29.55 | Bloodwalker | lol Aii |
| 21:30.14 | Thurwell | Well I'd just like to know before I go sending out love notes |
| 21:30.46 | Thurwell | Otherwise I can work the word troll in a lot, which is nice because it's easy to rhyme |
| 21:31.06 | Aii | Aiiane = my home desktop |
| 21:31.22 | Aii | Aii = my shell account that I typically connect to from my laptop or other computers |
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| 21:32.14 | Bloodwalker | raise your hand if youd volunteer for an experimental brain implant that lets you plug your brain into the internet wirelessly |
| 21:32.24 | talvinen | *raises hand* |
| 21:32.40 | Bloodwalker | ya Id volunteer too |
| 21:37.06 | Aii | hrm, this is odd |
| 21:37.28 | Aii | a few people said NAMBLA didnt work after the patch, but i just did a diff and ea_actionbars hasn't changed at all from 1.0.5 to 1.0.6 |
| 21:37.29 | Bloodwalker | odd... kind of defines the internet |
| 21:38.07 | talvinen | Hm.. I heard of problems with vertigo |
| 21:39.29 | Aii | vertigo doesn't have problems, people were just trying to use it while the layout editor was open, which isn't a Good Idea(tm) |
| 21:39.53 | CowBook | ⢠|
| 21:39.58 | CowBook | (save that for later) |
| 21:40.20 | CowBook | or just get a mac :-) |
| 21:42.26 | WikkiFizzle | Aii: I havent had any issues with NAMBLA at all |
| 21:42.34 | WikkiFizzle | Nor with anything else that mods/uses the action bars |
| 21:43.12 | talvinen | I had a comment that Amethyst 1.2 wouldn't work. Sadly, most people don't bother giving more information, so I don't know anything about this :x |
| 21:52.56 | Aii | hmm |
| 21:54.27 | Aii | nice. PTS is still up :P |
| 22:03.06 | Aii | I think Mythic might have changed scenario group updates over to some incremental form |
| 22:03.18 | Aii | without saying anything >< |
| 22:12.40 | Thurwell | on PTS or live? |
| 22:19.37 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r104 / (4 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.7.5 for changeset 87d27001f235 |
| 22:19.38 | Repo | Possible fix for scenario group issue? (Dry-coded.) |
| 22:20.14 | WikkiFizzle | o..daring! |
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| 22:27.24 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r106 / (4 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.7.6 for changeset 9827f26d71d1 |
| 22:27.25 | Repo | One dry-coded tweak deserves another (make the same change for warbands - *cross fingers that this might work*). (Dry-coded.) |
| 22:27.33 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker * r14 Source/MM_Navigator.lua: Merged development changes |
| 22:29.46 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r29 Source/AuraEngine.lua: |
| 22:29.47 | Repo | Fixed an issue where an effect w/o a timer was not being processed at startup. |
| 22:32.32 | Aii | heh WikkiFizzle, looked at the other forum yet? |
| 22:33.52 | WikkiFizzle | hm..not yet |
| 22:34.22 | WikkiFizzle | hm..interesting |
| 22:34.26 | WikkiFizzle | That makes me a bit worried |
| 22:36.06 | WikkiFizzle | I havent had time to diff the myp files to see any changes |
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| 22:43.16 | Aii | WikkiFizzle: that's just the thing, there /aren't/ any changes to the relevant lua |
| 22:43.24 | Aii | any difference would have to be internal-api |
| 22:44.13 | WikkiFizzle | ugh |
| 22:44.52 | Aii | you know me, the first thing I do on patch day is a full directory diff of the extracted interface.myp :P |
| 22:45.16 | WikkiFizzle | I havent had the time yet :P |
| 22:45.33 | WikkiFizzle | I got an email last night from a customer, who has a system going into production "soon" |
| 22:45.37 | WikkiFizzle | Who has been putting it off |
| 22:45.38 | WikkiFizzle | for months |
| 22:45.46 | Aii | heh |
| 22:45.49 | WikkiFizzle | The email last night saying it goes live Thursday |
| 22:45.56 | WikkiFizzle | with a HUGE list of stuff to change |
| 22:46.03 | Aii | and of course, they need you to get it all done by then |
| 22:46.04 | Aii | of course |
| 22:46.31 | WikkiFizzle | My response to nearly all of the requests: Change Order Required. |
| 22:46.32 | WikkiFizzle | :P |
| 22:46.53 | WikkiFizzle | Which generated a lot of shit from their end |
| 22:48.52 | WikkiFizzle | So its been a highly amusing day |
| 22:50.23 | WikkiFizzle | I really wish they put in the caster bool on effects this patch |
| 22:52.58 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker * r48 / (26 files in 6 directories): Merging all development branch changes back the hard way |
| 22:53.16 | Aii | servers are back up |
| 22:53.20 | Aii | according to herald |
| 22:53.40 | Aii | I'm still in class, can someone test the 2.7.6 squared and see if it still has issues in scenarios/warbands |
| 22:54.23 | WikkiFizzle | Yeap |
| 22:55.17 | Aii | yeap you can test it, or yeap it still has issues? |
| 22:55.24 | WikkiFizzle | I can test it |
| 22:55.38 | Aii | kk |
| 22:57.42 | WikkiFizzle | My cat thinks Im edible :/ |
| 22:57.50 | Aii | nom nom ^_^ |
| 22:57.58 | WikkiFizzle | she sits on my lap |
| 22:58.03 | WikkiFizzle | between my arms on teh keyboard |
| 22:58.12 | WikkiFizzle | and nibbles the skin on my arms |
| 22:58.27 | WikkiFizzle | ok just queued for scenario |
| 23:02.28 | sysrage | lol did the mods that show framerate get broken or did they do some serious client improvements? |
| 23:04.56 | sysrage | maybe it was just screwy in the guild tavern thing. back to 70fps in praag |
| 23:09.06 | Aii | the guild tavern has pretty much nothing to render |
| 23:09.12 | Aii | I've always gotten ~99fps in it |
| 23:09.24 | sysrage | ya heh i had just never noticed |
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| 23:11.02 | WikkiFizzle | Aii: so far it looks good |
| 23:11.11 | Aii | WikkiFizzle: k |
| 23:11.12 | zarious | balls, bw nurf |
| 23:11.20 | zarious | well, sorta |
| 23:11.24 | Aii | I'll see if others have any issues, but hopefully that fixed it |
| 23:12.26 | Aii | also, NAMBLA still working fine for you WikkiFizzle ? |
| 23:12.53 | zarious | nambla? |
| 23:13.00 | WikkiFizzle | yes |
| 23:13.00 | zarious | im afraid to ask lol |
| 23:13.02 | WikkiFizzle | no issues there |
| 23:13.28 | Bloodwalker | @project nambla |
| 23:13.33 | Aii | @project war/nambla |
| 23:13.35 | Repo | Bloodwalker: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/nambla/. Nix All Messy Bits Lining Actionbuttons (or NAMBLA). Game: WAR. Leader: Aiiane. Updated: 14 days ago |
| 23:13.36 | Repo | Aii: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/nambla/. Nix All Messy Bits Lining Actionbuttons (or NAMBLA). Game: WAR. Leader: Aiiane. Updated: 14 days ago |
| 23:13.49 | Aii | oh hey, it's unique across namespaces, go figure ;) |
| 23:14.11 | Bloodwalker | lol its just not a name that everyone is grabbing for |
| 23:14.36 | Aii | pfft, if I can't be politically incorrect in a humorous way every once in a while, what is the world coming to |
| 23:15.14 | Bloodwalker | I got no complaints :) cant ever take life too seriously.. after all youll never get out of it alive |
| 23:19.30 | zarious | i can understand being politically incorrect, but thats just lol |
| 23:20.55 | WikkiFizzle | ok just finished the scenario Aii and everything looks good |
| 23:21.12 | zarious | damnit, kids sometimes i swear |
| 23:22.05 | zarious | one of my friends kids can't say alex (my name) she say askel, so now my friends won't stop calling me that |
| 23:22.15 | Thrae | Squared problems? |
| 23:22.40 | Aii | Thrae: some people were reporting issues with warband/scenario units not displaying correctly |
| 23:22.42 | zarious | were there significant ui changes? i haven't run curse client in a bit |
| 23:23.08 | Aii | I think it might be fixed, but it's sort of hard to prove a negative, so I'm mostly just asking people to test with the latest version and let me know if they still have issues |
| 23:23.16 | Aii | zarious: yes/no/maybeso? |
| 23:23.22 | Aii | TargetPlayer is gone, as we knew was coming |
| 23:23.39 | Aii | casterId on buff data is gone, as we discovered a few days ago |
| 23:23.47 | Aii | aside from that, nothing /too/ major |
| 23:23.58 | Thrae | Aii: Ah. The first I knew was coming, the second I didn't. |
| 23:25.05 | Thrae | I guess WAR API probably doesn't get enough love for a hotfix before 1.1. |
| 23:25.50 | Aii | hotfix for what, casterId? that was intentionally removed |
| 23:26.03 | Aii | though they've said they'll replace it with a 'is it cast by me' boolean in 1.1 |
| 23:26.18 | Thrae | Right, that's what I meant. |
| 23:30.49 | Thrae | Aii: So addons like ClassySpellTimer / WhineySpellTimer and BuffHead can't work until 1.1 due to lack of casterId. |
| 23:33.32 | Aii | pretty much |
| 23:33.35 | Thrae | All those addons do is track what the player casts, so I guess I'll have to wait until (hopefully) later this month to get them back / code the fix myself. |
| 23:34.07 | Aii | talvinen modified squaredhotindicators to work around it, though it'll no longer accurately track AoE hots or dispelled effects |
| 23:34.26 | Thrae | Right, saw that and the diff. |
| 23:39.16 | sysrage | so either i've had extremely bad luck already and just gone against a ton of low levels with an INSANE amount of initiative, or they did the exact opposite of what every single stealther asked (both WE and WH) and made it even easier to see us |
| 23:39.53 | Thrae | Hmmm doesn't seem too bad...eh, I'll try myself without ClassySpellTimer. |
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