| 00:00.19 | Valkea | we can't use the | (OR) symbol in lua regex ? |
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| 00:01.35 | Bloodwalker | lua regex is very lightweight alot of things arent implemented |
| 00:02.07 | Bloodwalker | the OR is one of them that isnt included |
| 00:02.10 | Valkea | damned, they nerfed the power of regex xD |
| 00:08.20 | Bloodwalker | brb |
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| 00:20.51 | WikkiFizzle | Aii: I saw you mention something the other day about OnUpdate subscribing via the .mod versus in code, with one being more efficient |
| 00:21.11 | WikkiFizzle | Is that the case, and which of the 2 is more efficient |
| 00:21.24 | Aiiane | OnUpdate from the .mod file doesn't generate Function Call log messages |
| 00:21.38 | Aiiane | and thus is more efficient and less prone to causing crashes due to textlogs |
| 00:21.52 | WikkiFizzle | Excellent thank you |
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| 00:48.35 | sysrage | yay first fortress atack and i CTD constantly |
| 00:51.49 | Repo | 10pure: 03wikki * r5 / (8 files in 2 directories): Added dispel highlighting to player + target frames. |
| 00:52.08 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r20 Source (7 files in 1 directory): Fixed the calibration window |
| 00:52.09 | Repo | Improved addon loading to shutdown gracefully on error |
| 00:52.15 | Repo | Changed the name of the APi global to accomodate the improved loading |
| 00:52.21 | Repo | API disabled when theres a problem instead of being left half working |
| 00:52.53 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker 04Beta v0.2.1 * r21 : Tagging as Beta v0.2.1 |
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| 01:22.51 | NigelTufnel | ok, so got a question here, a toughie. With GetAbilityData() you can only get the iconNum for spells that YOU have, besides farming data from different characters etc |
| 01:23.13 | NigelTufnel | there must be something in game files or something that stores the iconNum for every ability used |
| 01:23.32 | NigelTufnel | used in the game* |
| 01:25.15 | WikkiFizzle | You get the icon for an ability using GetIconData( iconNum ) |
| 01:25.20 | NigelTufnel | yes |
| 01:25.25 | NigelTufnel | but only for spells you have |
| 01:25.28 | WikkiFizzle | Correct |
| 01:25.34 | NigelTufnel | and my question is |
| 01:25.44 | NigelTufnel | how do you get them for EVERY spell and make into a table or something |
| 01:25.54 | NigelTufnel | would any data files have info like that |
| 01:25.55 | WikkiFizzle | Data farm :p |
| 01:26.01 | NigelTufnel | see I hear ya |
| 01:26.03 | NigelTufnel | but one thing is |
| 01:26.03 | WikkiFizzle | That info gets sent to your client |
| 01:26.05 | WikkiFizzle | when you log in |
| 01:26.09 | NigelTufnel | ah |
| 01:26.15 | WikkiFizzle | If you check GetAbilityData the second you log in |
| 01:26.20 | WikkiFizzle | the table is empty |
| 01:27.04 | NigelTufnel | so npc abilities likely have icons associated, but being that no class nescessarily has those abilities, no one can possibly know the iconNum |
| 01:28.12 | Aiiane | why would npc abilities have icons |
| 01:28.39 | NigelTufnel | eh, ya thats true |
| 01:30.03 | NigelTufnel | aight so then data farming for all the careers etc would be the best way for those I guess then |
| 01:30.13 | NigelTufnel | or only way |
| 01:38.22 | Valkea | The more frustrating in developing an RvR addon is... no open RvR neither Scenario to test the modifcations... Why people sleeps at night ? ;) |
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| 03:45.54 | Valkea | does %S matches any character that is not a whitespace character in LUA ? (in opposite to %s that matches any whitespace character) |
| 03:46.03 | Valkea | in regex i mean |
| 03:47.20 | NigelTufnel | you can do ^%s |
| 03:47.35 | NigelTufnel | if thats not the case |
| 03:48.13 | Aiiane | just use [^%s] |
| 03:48.28 | NigelTufnel | exactly |
| 03:48.34 | Valkea | ok thank you |
| 03:48.46 | Aiiane | actually, yes, %S will work |
| 03:48.56 | Aiiane | from the reference: For all classes represented by single letters (%a, %c, etc.), the corresponding uppercase letter represents the complement of the class. For instance, %S represents all non-space characters. |
| 03:49.12 | Aiiane | go to section 5.4.1 here: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 03:49.28 | Valkea | perfect, thx again |
| 03:49.32 | Aiiane | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
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| 04:19.35 | WikkiFizzle | lua> math.random( 10, 100 ) |
| 04:19.35 | lua_bot | WikkiFizzle: 42 |
| 04:19.39 | WikkiFizzle | ty lua |
| 04:42.34 | Bloodwalker | see the answer the life the universe and everything really is 42 |
| 04:43.57 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker * r2 / (6 files in 2 directories): Initial commit of the navigator |
| 04:43.58 | Repo | Compass and coords fully functional |
| 04:49.06 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r22 Source/Aura.lua: Fixed group detection code |
| 04:53.36 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r23 / (3 files in 2 directories): Initial submission of new effect throttling code. |
| 04:53.37 | Repo | Mark 2.1.0 |
| 04:54.43 | Repo | 10pure: 03wikki * r6 Source (2 files in 1 directory): Added effect dispel handling code |
| 05:02.29 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker * r3 / (3 files in 2 directories): Fixed the window for the layout editor |
| 05:02.56 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 04Beta v0.1 * r4 : Tagging as Beta v0.1 |
| 05:04.57 | Aiiane | 14895, 1683, 3616, 8349, 13604, 13314, 1839, 13621, 3707, 671, 8346, 9489, 4686, 3582, 3583, 3585 |
| 05:05.06 | Aiiane | all effectIds of silences/disables |
| 05:07.06 | Bloodwalker | nice |
| 05:07.18 | Aiiane | all are* |
| 05:07.26 | Aiiane | that's not every single one in the game obviously :P |
| 05:08.18 | Bloodwalker | course not :) thatd be too easy |
| 05:11.58 | Bloodwalker | My first idea for tracking tome unlocks is kinda growing unexpectedly.. into 4 addons now lol |
| 05:21.13 | Valkea | bye :) |
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| 05:41.52 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r24 Source/AuraEngine.lua: Fixed issue with effect timers not properly updating |
| 05:44.49 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r25 Source/AuraEngine.lua: Fixed issue created in last commit |
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| 05:58.09 | Bloodwalker | @project mapmonsternavigator |
| 05:58.09 | Repo | Bloodwalker: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/mapmonsternavigator/. Map Monster Navigator. Game: WAR. Leader: Bloodwalker. Updated: 55 minutes ago |
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| 07:23.27 | Repo | 10aura: 03wikki * r26 Source/AuraEngine.lua: Readded code to only update the timers for activated auras. |
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| 07:44.29 | Repo | 10eeek: 03Aiiane * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added tag beta-1 for changeset 68b7056808d0 |
| 07:44.31 | Repo | A couple more checks to identify obvious silences/disables the first time they're seen. |
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| 08:07.39 | Repo | Fixed bug where print messages were going to the wrong function |
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| 08:24.19 | chiCho | >.< |
| 08:24.47 | chiCho | -21:17:46- Error» Cannot join #waruidev (registered only +r) |
| 08:24.47 | chiCho | O.o |
| 08:37.57 | Repo | 10pure: 03wikki * r8 Source (5 files in 1 directory): Fixed option changes propagating to all of the unit frames |
| 08:37.59 | Repo | Changed a few of the default settings |
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| 08:42.27 | Repo | Fix issue with nLootLink menu position/visibility/size not being saved |
| 09:34.58 | Aiiane | night~ |
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| 13:31.03 | Valkea | Hello |
| 13:34.47 | talvinen | Hawlooh |
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| 13:54.20 | misterjinglesdak | Darn, I accidentally did /list. There's over 25,000 channels on this server. |
| 13:55.12 | Darktao | lol |
| 13:55.27 | Darktao | I did taht the first time I came to this server |
| 13:55.41 | Darktao | had no idea how huge it was |
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| 15:20.46 | ErroneousUsernam | Are any of you good at number crunching in Warhammer? |
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| 15:37.19 | ErroneousUsernam | Don't worry, you can take your time to respond. :P |
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| 15:45.51 | talvinen | ErroneousUsernam: What are you looking for? |
| 15:51.01 | ErroneousUsernam | Let's say someone is playing as a two handed IB, and has 500 points into STR, 500 points into WS, and a two handed axe with 50 DPS. If the IB attacks a mob with no armor/toughness/resists, how much would each stat contibute to the damage output? |
| 16:05.29 | Thurwell | people have done experiments into crap like that, google it or search the forums, see what you can find |
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| 16:29.36 | talvinen | ErroneousUsernam: Weapon Skill reduces armor, so would have no effect |
| 16:29.50 | ErroneousUsernam | Ah, alright. |
| 16:30.06 | talvinen | Strength / 5 is +DPS for Special attacks |
| 16:30.09 | Squigbits | 'Evenin folks. Anyone actually living and breathing in here mind bonking me on the head? i'm trying to send a variable to debug and it doesn't seem to be showing. |
| 16:30.16 | talvinen | Strength / 10 for White hits |
| 16:30.32 | talvinen | DPS means, a standard instant special will get 150% of +DPS |
| 16:30.39 | talvinen | same for Weapon DPS |
| 16:30.43 | Squigbits | d(GameData.ChatData.Type) - trying to send this to the debug screen to get the various types for each channel. anyone know another way to do this? It doesn't send anything. |
| 16:31.05 | talvinen | So your IB will get 150 damage from strength and 75 damage from Weapon DPS on his style |
| 16:32.40 | ErroneousUsernam | So he would be doing 225 damage per hit on his auto-attacks? |
| 16:34.32 | talvinen | nope |
| 16:34.49 | talvinen | Autoattacks get only half the benefit of strength |
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| 16:34.56 | talvinen | so, 150 dmg |
| 16:35.18 | talvinen | http://disquette.wordpress.com/warhammer-online-melee-combat-mechanics/ |
| 16:35.40 | Squigbits | Evening Daegalus |
| 16:36.26 | Thurwell | I think d(nil) shows nothing in debug, squigbits. |
| 16:36.36 | Thurwell | so if your var is nil... |
| 16:37.02 | Daegalus | heya squigbits |
| 16:37.07 | Thurwell | Although I'm at work and can't be positive |
| 16:37.25 | talvinen | d(nil) shows nothing in debug |
| 16:37.34 | talvinen | use d(type(var)) to test if nil |
| 16:37.38 | talvinen | or d(var == nil) |
| 16:37.56 | Squigbits | true, but even guild chat has a chat type, so it should show somethign right? |
| 16:38.12 | Squigbits | using d(GameData.ChatData.Type) whenever incoming text comes up. |
| 16:38.22 | talvinen | haven't tinkered around with ChatData, so no idea |
| 16:38.53 | Squigbits | I can use d(L"Text arrived") and it works fine, every time someone says something in any channel. But i can't get the chat type if i do d(gamedata.chatdata.type) for some reason >.> lol |
| 16:39.02 | Squigbits | Yea its pretty wierd |
| 16:39.20 | Squigbits | for instance, i was parsing the chat for "you have been dismounted." which is one of those 'white system messages'. |
| 16:39.24 | Squigbits | and i matched it perfectly |
| 16:39.40 | Squigbits | however "squigbits has left the guild." and "squigbits has joined the guild." failed to match |
| 16:39.46 | Squigbits | when i checked for it. |
| 16:39.56 | Squigbits | but if i typed /s has joined the guild. |
| 16:39.59 | Squigbits | it would match that. |
| 16:40.15 | ErroneousUsernam | Thanks for the link, btw. :P |
| 16:40.16 | Squigbits | (my search string was just "has joined the guild.", so i can ignore the player name). lol |
| 16:40.27 | Squigbits | chat in WAR is a bitch to work with. jeez. |
| 16:43.13 | talvinen | not just Chat.. ^^ |
| 16:46.38 | Daegalus | i find their inventory/item system the easiest to work with |
| 16:49.23 | Daegalus | but then again, my first addon is entirely based on the inventory |
| 16:50.52 | Flarin | Big fan of your mod Daegalus - thank you :) now if someone would make a Mr. Plow for War |
| 16:51.59 | Daegalus | np, and whats Mr. Plow? |
| 16:52.30 | Flarin | it sorts the items in your bag (its a Warcraft addon)... one of my fav's back in the day |
| 16:53.52 | Daegalus | hmm, maybe later on. i got 2 other addons currently in development |
| 16:55.08 | Flarin | :) thanks |
| 16:56.35 | Daegalus | i actually have a good way of doing it too. ill look into it, i might write it concurrently with Tome of War |
| 16:57.04 | Flarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.59 | Thurwell | what's tome of war do? |
| 16:58.27 | sysrage | it's pretty disturbing that aiiane found the combat log causing so many peoples CTDs a full month ago and it still hasn't been fixed |
| 16:58.44 | Daegalus | dont get your hopes up yet, tome of war is a hefty pain in the ass addon to write. especially having to reverse engineer the ToK |
| 16:59.20 | Thurwell | I haven't crashed nearly as often sinec turning the combat log off, but it totally sucks not having the log or any of the addons based on it |
| 17:00.12 | Flarin | i get 1 client crash a day - always when there is RvR going on |
| 17:00.33 | Thurwell | with the log on I was getting about 1 an hour |
| 17:00.51 | Flarin | i didnt realize you can turn the log off - will look into it |
| 17:01.17 | Thurwell | You install nocombatlog, or if you want he has the /script command to do it in his mod description |
| 17:01.23 | Thurwell | it's just one line |
| 17:01.38 | Thurwell | breaks killing blow and tdps, as well as blanking your combat window |
| 17:01.39 | Flarin | yeah- just googled the intenets ;) thanks! |
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| 17:02.47 | Daegalus | Thurwell: its going to be like LittleBlackBook, but will be more indepth. it will have pages for each person, showing kills, deaths, k/d, revenges, last zone you killed or got killed by, their class, and a bit more. it also keeps track of all your stats too. then to top it off, it will look and work like the ToK, a tome on its own |
| 17:04.04 | Thurwell | Kind of a combo of rvr stats and killingblow then |
| 17:04.10 | Flarin | NICE IDEA! Sounds excellent! I am tearing apart Vertigo and Advanced Action Bars to see if something like a flexible bar mod is possible. I used to use Dominos (Warcraft mod) and miss the flexibility |
| 17:04.26 | Thurwell | how do you mean flexible? |
| 17:05.03 | Thurwell | killingblow's cool, but it's from the days before we started putting UIs in mods, so it's hard to read |
| 17:05.12 | Flarin | editing the bars on the fly via a gui - IE click on a little button next to each bar, scale it, edit number of buttons, move it, lock it, etc |
| 17:05.28 | Daegalus | Thurwell, well LittleBlackbook is a mod based on killing blow already. butya, that is the gist of it |
| 17:05.31 | Thurwell | Oh. that should be doable |
| 17:05.46 | Thurwell | really, I assumed littleblackbook is a wow mod. I'll look at it |
| 17:06.15 | Valkea | haha that is fun Daegalus, this is exacly what i'm working on ;) |
| 17:06.36 | Thurwell | Ah, I see, that's cool. Don't want to know how often sangreal kills me tho |
| 17:07.04 | Daegalus | lol, you dont happen to be working on Book of Grudges, Valkea? |
| 17:07.18 | Valkea | ;) |
| 17:07.24 | Flarin | As a destruction player there are a whole list of Bright Wizards who seem to 1 shot me - "Those" is the name of one. grrrr.. This mod might make me depressed more than I am already lol |
| 17:07.38 | Thurwell | So my suggestion, daeg, is to implement some sort of time tracking too. So you can see if you're getting better or worse |
| 17:08.17 | Thurwell | sangreal's a kamikaze WH on my server. BW's...why bother tracking them, one or two dots, WH, anything but a tank dies |
| 17:08.24 | Daegalus | lol, you got lucky, i was planning to xall my addon BoG, but you registered it a day before me, Valkea |
| 17:09.48 | Daegalus | writing the enemy class finder is going to be so tedious though |
| 17:10.02 | Flarin | yeah WH's are bad - I play a Black Orc tho, so I really don't have trouble with them. My anti-armor skill affects them. Now, I remove enchantments from BW's, remove their armor by 75%, and I still can't touch them |
| 17:11.05 | Valkea | Daegalus : haha no that's not me, i was working on a addon called Book of grudges too, but Garko registred it first ;) |
| 17:11.05 | Valkea | But i'm still working on this addon (with a different name this time) |
| 17:11.40 | Daegalus | ahh ok |
| 17:12.04 | Thurwell | BWs are easy to kill, it's the rune priest standing behind them farming RP that makes it seem difficult |
| 17:12.42 | Daegalus | well maybe once i write my class finder, ill make it into a library for you and others to use |
| 17:12.43 | Flarin | lol maybe you are right. they just seem to have my number lately. |
| 17:13.19 | Thurwell | Rp can keep a BW alive through 3-4 DPSerrs focus firing, it's nuts |
| 17:13.21 | Daegalus | since my class finder will work in oRVR too |
| 17:15.10 | Thurwell | Right now I have KB, which tells me WH are my #1 kill since thehy're always targetting me, that lbb would be interesting to see if I get them or they get me more often |
| 17:15.52 | Thurwell | I do know that if scintilating energy is up and a WH destealths on me...he's about to have a bad experience. But that's a morale |
| 17:16.24 | Daegalus | Thurwell: KB doesnt keep. track of classes. just kills and deaths |
| 17:16.40 | Daegalus | err i mean LBB |
| 17:17.34 | Thurwell | Oh right, I'm thinking of rvr stats. But it only tracks kills, not deaths, and not who you killed |
| 17:17.57 | Thurwell | I think it just pulls the value out of the ToK instead of doing any tracking |
| 17:18.22 | Daegalus | yup, thats what rvr stats does |
| 17:19.59 | Daegalus | my problem is that i have to get the skillnames of all classes in all languages war is played in |
| 17:20.03 | Thurwell | Heh, I just reread that about removing a BW's armor. What armor? |
| 17:20.25 | Thurwell | Why, make it work it english in V1 and then add multiple languages later |
| 17:21.16 | Daegalus | oh i know, and it only matters for 1part of the addon. but i will still have to do it |
| 17:23.07 | Daegalus | and even for english, its still abilities for 22 classes |
| 17:24.35 | Thurwell | You need the abilities too? |
| 17:27.08 | Daegalus | Thurwell: to get classes |
| 17:27.54 | Thurwell | Sounds like a pain |
| 17:29.16 | Flarin | @thurwell- I know, right? the idea is 75% removed from cloth I should slay a BW in 3 hits with a big 2h weapon (or a spork) but I don't for some reason |
| 17:30.02 | Thurwell | Well I play a magus and have 5500 hp, if I have 0 armor you'd need to do almost 2k a hit to kill me in 3 hits. |
| 17:30.15 | Thurwell | I don't think BOs hit that hard. |
| 17:30.51 | Thurwell | That's without orange fire or the toughness tactic, but I don't think BWs get anything like that |
| 17:30.52 | Flarin | i know i was being a turd - but still, I would think it would be easier |
| 17:31.14 | Thurwell | Seems like IBs cut me down fast enough. Run up, drop the 4s stun, I'm probably dead before I get up |
| 17:32.06 | Thurwell | Oh, another thing that's killer vs tanks is detaunt. Every dpser gets it and half dmg for 15s on top of a tank's crappy dmg... |
| 17:32.27 | Flarin | I am tank spec (Da Toughest) so I do not have a lot of +damage talents |
| 17:32.59 | Flarin | true - so 1/2 damage applied to BOs crappy damage = BO chasing BW until BO dies |
| 17:33.04 | Thurwell | yeah. I'd just try to keep them disabled and debuffed and tell your dpsers to do the dmg |
| 17:33.30 | Flarin | good advice. |
| 17:34.00 | Thurwell | vent's a wonderful thing, we had a SP group other night, 3 sorcs, magus, 2 healers. Whatever we called fire on died (and order had 6 healers) |
| 17:34.19 | Thurwell | So it died and was rezzed instantly, but still. it's the thought :) |
| 17:35.24 | Flarin | yep - our guild is small but we do something similar - except it is usually only 3 of us |
| 17:35.56 | Thurwell | I'm not usually lucky enough to have that kind of group either, but sometimes when things are clicking it's fun |
| 17:36.25 | Thurwell | Seems like in scens all you need are rdps and healers, since we have no tank that can kill like the IB |
| 17:36.49 | Flarin | yep - and it seems the Blackguard will not be a killing machine either, but a good tank |
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| 17:37.33 | Thurwell | yeah that's what I've heard, crummy damage |
| 17:37.55 | Thurwell | some say that's just because the TS is all BG vs KB tho, and KB has the armor debuff and BG does not |
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| 17:38.28 | Flarin | so far I have been having really excellent luck tanking PvE with the BO. I am not sure if I will play the BG much after my initial dallying |
| 17:38.30 | Daegalus | bg has a armor/resist self buff like the ib |
| 17:39.31 | Thurwell | BG has lots of defensive stuff, since his defense gets better as his hate goes up |
| 17:40.11 | Daegalus | ya, like the IB, gotta remember that KotBS and BG are not mirrors, so comparing them doesnt help anyone |
| 17:40.19 | Flarin | yeah. be a shame to waste my time i have put into the BO though - even the offensive spec is not great for BOs so I would end up with 2 tanks lol |
| 17:40.48 | Thurwell | Not exactly, the IB has better offense as he gains grudges and he spends grudges for defense. BG has better defense as hate goes up and spends hate for defense |
| 17:40.51 | Daegalus | eh my friend rolled a BO, got it to 40, he is rerolling Bg/IB now |
| 17:40.58 | Thurwell | Oh wait. I misread something, nm :) |
| 17:41.11 | Thurwell | spends hate for offense I mean |
| 17:41.22 | Daegalus | but he also gets hate for offense |
| 17:41.31 | Daegalus | BG doesnt have an oath friend cause he gains hate for hitting things |
| 17:41.38 | Thurwell | Gets hate for hitting or being hit, IB gets hate for being hit or friend being hit |
| 17:41.47 | Daegalus | ya |
| 17:41.57 | Daegalus | and the Hit Hatred gain is the same like the Oath Friend gain |
| 17:41.59 | Daegalus | 10/5/3 |
| 17:42.06 | Thurwell | but the upshot is, a grudged out IB does a crapload of dmg, a hated up BG will spend hate for attacks and drop his hate |
| 17:42.19 | Daegalus | true |
| 17:42.31 | Daegalus | but otherwise, BG would outdps MDPS classes :P |
| 17:42.41 | Daegalus | especially with his Cone dmg ability |
| 17:42.43 | Thurwell | I've read that offensive BGs should actually keep their hate low, so they get the 10 per hit and can then spend it faster |
| 17:42.50 | Flarin | i will probably end up with a bunch of 40s, i will probably level a Chosen as well and have 3 tanks lol |
| 17:43.17 | Daegalus | i have a DoK almost at 40. imma get a 40 zealot, a 40 Sorc, 40 RP, 40 WP, and a 40 BW |
| 17:43.29 | Thurwell | I have a magus at 39, and a chosen at 26 |
| 17:43.43 | Thurwell | So I'm not sure, keep going with the chosen (getting some decent fixes today), or roll up a BG |
| 17:43.52 | Flarin | nice. i will be working on a shaman - i just like the little guys |
| 17:43.59 | Thurwell | Cause if I played BG i'd go 2H, which you know pisses people off :) |
| 17:44.02 | Daegalus | well wait for the class changes tomorrow |
| 17:44.09 | Thurwell | Shamans are nice |
| 17:44.16 | Thurwell | tomorrow? thought it was today |
| 17:44.28 | Daegalus | no, live event ends on Tuesday |
| 17:44.33 | Thurwell | ah |
| 17:44.36 | Daegalus | 1.0.6 comes out at end of live event |
| 17:44.39 | Thurwell | Well then I have another day to kill 5 more undead |
| 17:44.40 | Flarin | they are fun - and they heal excellent based on being on the receiving end of many a shamans heals |
| 17:44.51 | Daegalus | the BG and KOTBS come out tomorrow for all live event doers too |
| 17:44.58 | Flarin | marshes of madness - bunch of low level undead |
| 17:45.00 | Thurwell | yeah, seems like shamans are destros best healer. nice dmg shield too |
| 17:45.11 | Daegalus | i dunno about best healer |
| 17:45.12 | talvinen | Shaman are OP :P |
| 17:45.13 | Thurwell | I have the bg unlocked, but I have one more event to do still |
| 17:45.18 | Flarin | not sure - zealots i think are overall the best healer for destro |
| 17:45.21 | Daegalus | i see zealots out do a shaman easily |
| 17:45.34 | Thurwell | Seems like I stay alive better with a shaman around |
| 17:45.50 | Flarin | shamans are great party support - they have a AP regen thing that helps parties |
| 17:46.02 | Daegalus | Flarin: just know, this is hwo things work out for healers: if you spec DPS, no one will want you, people will bitch at you, bu tyou will level faster. If you spec healing, people will love you, but you will have a shit time leveling |
| 17:46.26 | Daegalus | unless you are a DoK |
| 17:46.36 | Daegalus | then you just win no matter how you spec, as long as its not Torture |
| 17:46.39 | Flarin | i know - i come from Warcraft - leveled my first toon as a restoration Druid - slow slow slow |
| 17:47.30 | Daegalus | jus twarning you ahead of time. mos tpeople roll DPS healers, then whine that they cant do anything |
| 17:47.56 | Thurwell | Saw a RP last night doing 100k dmg a scen in SP |
| 17:48.01 | Thurwell | never seen that before |
| 17:48.08 | Flarin | i always torture myself and roll core ability - ie my BO is full tank spec, my shaman will be full healer lol |
| 17:48.27 | Flarin | wow Thurwell - that is insane |
| 17:48.40 | Repo | 10amethyst: 03talvinen * r6 Amethyst.lua: added spell icon and different fonts |
| 17:49.13 | Thurwell | if I make a window sizeable in the layout editor, will it resize images or do I have to manually scale everything? |
| 17:49.14 | Repo | 10amethyst: 03talvinen 041.2 * r7 : tagged |
| 17:50.33 | Thurwell | well, one way to find out |
| 17:51.42 | Thurwell | Full tank spec is fine for rvr, problem is most people play their tanks like they're mdpsers. Which they're not |
| 17:52.11 | Thurwell | Gotta use all the unsexy stuff, guard, hold the line, knockdowns, snares, etc |
| 17:52.41 | Thurwell | How many tanks you seen that watch the healers and casters and switch guard on the fly to whoever's being hit? I count none |
| 17:52.59 | Flarin | i enjoy running through the mob to attack the healers, drawing the fire of the whole crowd. this allows my team to push forward as the bad guys cannot help themselves - they all attack me. i die quickly but help the team |
| 17:53.33 | Flarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.36 | Thurwell | In my team we totally ignore order tanks until the order healers are all dead, we're all instructed to get your debuff on them and get back on the main target |
| 17:54.05 | Thurwell | Now if it's a WH...different story |
| 17:56.34 | Thurwell | God, waaaghbar is a mess |
| 17:56.53 | Flarin | i use WarBoard - personally I like it better |
| 17:57.12 | Daegalus | I played a Rogue in wow. plain simple, and thats is |
| 17:57.12 | Daegalus | it |
| 17:57.31 | Thurwell | I use warboard too, but I wanted to make my warboard mod compatible with waaghbar and SNT |
| 17:58.02 | Thurwell | So I look at waaaghbar, he never wrote the APi documentation, and there's 2 forks off it since he quit maintaining it. LIke wtf |
| 17:58.10 | Flarin | yeah. i had a troll rogue - i loved the racial for pvp, pop berserking + slice and dice = dead anything |
| 17:58.28 | Flarin | yeah- like which waaghbar do you follow lol |
| 17:59.38 | Daegalus | I follow SNT. so much better tan Waaghbar, i just wish it was updated more often |
| 18:00.00 | Thurwell | SNT looks like too much work. |
| 18:00.21 | Daegalus | Not really |
| 18:00.30 | Daegalus | once you set it up, never hav eto touch it again |
| 18:00.43 | Daegalus | its mad efor a more moveable setup |
| 18:00.46 | Thurwell | Let's see if his documentation is any better |
| 18:00.54 | Daegalus | i comboed it with SNT_Panels |
| 18:01.16 | Thurwell | yeah I assume they're meant to go together |
| 18:01.36 | Daegalus | i wish my 60 day trial on ProxyCap didnt expire. Then i could take a screenshot of my UI for you |
| 18:02.25 | Thurwell | My UI's pretty heavily modified too |
| 18:03.14 | Thurwell | I love the guys like RV or CUF who decide to rewrite the entire UI. And then never finish. Surprise! |
| 18:03.22 | Flarin | planb is an excellent mod for BOs - changes the action bar page based on my BOs "plan" - keeps me down to 2 bars |
| 18:05.20 | Daegalus | Thurwell: CUF probably still in development, just Aiiane has like 50 addons to work on. So it might take time to get worked on :P |
| 18:06.33 | talvinen | HUDUF and xHUD are pretty good UnitFrames.. if you take your time to set them up |
| 18:07.15 | talvinen | even if you don't like HUDs. You can modify them to look like normal unitframes |
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| 18:08.40 | Daegalus | What my WoW UI used to look like: http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4397/addons1hp3.jpg , http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/540/addons2lw8.jpg , http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2175/wowscrnshot070908234922cf9.jpg |
| 18:09.41 | Flarin | you guys know if anyone is continuing the mobhealth mod or something like it? was extremely useful |
| 18:10.13 | Thurwell | Oh my bad, I meant SUF. and Aiiane didn't write CUF |
| 18:11.47 | Daegalus | she didnt write what now? http://war.curseforge.com/projects/cleanunitframes/ |
| 18:13.09 | Thurwell | maybe she's taken it over, but it was Adalyn |
| 18:13.25 | Daegalus | nope, never was, her project from the start |
| 18:14.07 | Daegalus | 2008-09-02 aiiane <aiiane> |
| 18:14.16 | Daegalus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.23 | Daegalus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.38 | Thurwell | either way, she says she's not working on CUF anymore, so I doubt she'll be getting back to it |
| 18:15.22 | Daegalus | eh, who knows, she might rewrite it from scratch with a better codebsae |
| 18:16.04 | Thurwell | I've been thinking of poking around with it, see if I can fix the bugs |
| 18:16.32 | Thurwell | really not interested in coming up with one from scratch tho |
| 18:17.34 | Thurwell | I did look at the code once, and she's not kidding, it sucks |
| 18:18.52 | Thurwell | well, why would she kid, you don't say your own code sucks unless you don't like it |
| 18:20.58 | talvinen | xHUD config GUI code sucks |
| 18:21.33 | Valkea | question : can we get the Renown Rank of the target ? |
| 18:21.49 | Thurwell | got me, dump the target info table and see what's in it |
| 18:22.03 | Valkea | good indea, thx :) |
| 18:22.14 | talvinen | as far as i know, no |
| 18:22.49 | Thurwell | I don't really like xhud, I call it the fighter simulation school of thought. Which clearly some people like, but not what I want in an rpg |
| 18:23.27 | talvinen | lets hope custom textures will be available soon(tm).. |
| 18:24.43 | Daegalus | haha, god i love the Valve Time thing |
| 18:24.56 | Daegalus | http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time for those that dont know |
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| 18:26.05 | Flarin | lol |
| 18:26.41 | nicoli_s | has anyone in here successfully gotten any named files from the PTS specific myps? |
| 18:27.12 | Daegalus | Coming soon When Duke Nukem Forever goes gold <------ my fav |
| 18:39.12 | Thurwell | Hmmm. If I feed a window I normally create with createwindow into createwindowfromtemplate, what happens? |
| 18:40.35 | Daegalus | the world blows up |
| 18:40.37 | Thurwell | XML definition must be in a file from the same .mod file. Well it's not. |
| 18:41.13 | Daegalus | i love that towstring(a = {}) CTDs the client |
| 18:41.52 | Thurwell | I want to make the most popular mod ever, that upon some secret code from me crashes the person. then I'd be invincible in RvR |
| 18:42.04 | Daegalus | LoL |
| 18:42.17 | Thurwell | Be tough to figure out how to transfer the code to someone of an nme realm |
| 18:42.29 | Thurwell | unless it was something lame like an emote |
| 18:42.38 | Daegalus | an attack sequence? |
| 18:43.02 | Thurwell | Or it could just check the target and the target's hp. If target=thurwell and hp < 40%, down you go :) |
| 18:43.12 | Daegalus | lol that too |
| 18:43.25 | Daegalus | you see half the scenerio disappear |
| 18:43.26 | Daegalus | xD |
| 18:43.26 | Thurwell | Heh. Dang open source code |
| 18:43.46 | Daegalus | i should put that code into JunkDump |
| 18:43.51 | Daegalus | see how many people use it :P |
| 18:44.02 | Flarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.52 | Daegalus | ORRRR, what you can do is when you got below 50%, you destroy all windows o their UI |
| 18:44.53 | Daegalus | :P |
| 18:45.04 | Daegalus | or just their actionbar |
| 18:45.04 | Thurwell | Reset all their keybindings |
| 18:45.39 | Flarin | NOOOOOOOOO lol |
| 18:45.43 | Daegalus | or invert their movement keys |
| 18:46.09 | Thurwell | Heh, you ever played smashtv? Step over the wrong item and it'd do that to you |
| 18:46.19 | Daegalus | and their hotbar keys. All ALT ones becoem normal, all CTRL become ALT, and all normal become control, an then hide the actionbar |
| 18:47.10 | talvinen | ClearTargets() on OnUpdate() |
| 18:47.26 | Daegalus | lol |
| 18:47.34 | Thurwell | Poo. I guess that's less obvious than crashing them |
| 18:47.54 | Thurwell | Heh, I should just make an addon called Canttargetthurwell, see how many people install it |
| 18:48.17 | talvinen | "Can't touch me" |
| 18:48.24 | Daegalus | LOL |
| 18:48.28 | Daegalus | OHHH imma make a nerd rage log addon. |
| 18:48.35 | Thurwell | Description: ensures that you can't accidentally kill your favorite addon author, needs no configuration |
| 18:48.39 | Daegalus | It sends a message of choice to selected chats |
| 18:48.53 | Daegalus | and tehn executes towstring(a={ }) |
| 18:49.00 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker * r5 / (3 files in 2 directories): Compass window now properly saving its position |
| 18:49.01 | Repo | Added slash commands |
| 18:49.07 | Repo | Can now set alpha of compass and position windows |
| 18:49.13 | Repo | Can change position value from long to short |
| 18:51.42 | Thurwell | I need to steal that compass code and make a warboard plugin |
| 18:51.54 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 04Beta v0.2 * r6 : Tagging as Beta v0.2 |
| 18:52.02 | sysrage | anybody know where to get that thing that removes the intro logo videos? |
| 18:52.17 | Daegalus | its called NoMovie |
| 18:52.22 | talvinen | never saw the intro movies to begin with :x |
| 18:52.22 | Daegalus | search it on WHA |
| 18:52.24 | Thurwell | just overwrite them with something else |
| 18:52.45 | talvinen | just use the old open beta client :P |
| 18:52.48 | Daegalus | talv: noe even the Games Workshop and Mythic ones? |
| 18:53.12 | talvinen | I get a Mythic Splash Screen iirc |
| 18:53.14 | talvinen | no movie |
| 18:53.29 | Daegalus | no movie removes the GW and Mytic splashes in teh beginning |
| 18:53.33 | Daegalus | it just takes you straight ot loading |
| 18:54.04 | *** join/#waruidev Thorien (n=jdoggett@host-216-153-159-218.man.choiceone.net) |
| 18:54.05 | Daegalus | and now that the EULA is only whenever they update |
| 18:54.10 | talvinen | er, nope, i get that EA Splash Screen when loading |
| 18:54.12 | Daegalus | it pretty much takes me straight to character select. |
| 18:54.36 | Thurwell | it's a pretty cool movie tho |
| 18:55.06 | Thorien | Hello everyone |
| 18:55.23 | Daegalus | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136626&highlight=nomovie |
| 18:55.27 | Thorien | Aii thanks for your help! |
| 18:57.46 | *** part/#waruidev Flarin (n=mstamper@71.238.8.101) |
| 19:04.10 | Aii | You're welcome |
| 19:06.35 | Aii | Thurwell: CUF was never Adalyn's project |
| 19:06.54 | Aii | Thurwell: Adalyn was playing around with modifying CUF /after/ I wrote it |
| 19:07.15 | Thurwell | Ah |
| 19:07.17 | Aii | but the reason the codebase is so horrible is because it's just a modification of the default UI's code |
| 19:07.20 | Aii | rather than a clean write |
| 19:07.32 | Thurwell | Yeah that's what I assumed |
| 19:07.33 | Aii | so I was stuck with the design Mythic already had in place |
| 19:07.41 | Aii | it was never meant to be a long-term project |
| 19:07.53 | Aii | just *something* to tide me and others over during beta/early release |
| 19:07.59 | Aii | when there weren't really many other options |
| 19:08.00 | Thurwell | So if SNT BAR just makes a million little windows registered independly with the layout editor, what's the point of it? |
| 19:08.22 | ErroneousUsernam | Question -- every time I switch zones my character either sinks below ground, or hovers 10 feet above ground. I have a HD3870x2, and am positive that my graphics card should handle this. I have catalyst adjusting the settings of the card according to the application. Any idea what could be causing this? |
| 19:08.22 | Aii | To make it harder to lay out your UI? :P |
| 19:08.23 | sysrage | Daegalus: thanks! |
| 19:08.23 | Thurwell | the problem is, people like the look of it and the alternate options are pretty crappy |
| 19:08.45 | Aii | ErroneousUsernam: its a random glitch; mounting and then dismounting should fix it |
| 19:09.01 | Thurwell | Well I made this plugin for warboard right, and then I thought what if I make it compatible with SNT too. but what is the point of that vs just a stand alone addon? Unless I'm missing something there isn't one |
| 19:09.45 | Aii | but honestly |
| 19:09.48 | ErroneousUsernam | I try dismounting and mouting, but it doesn't work. I also try re-zoning, which also does not work. The only way to fix the issue is to re-log. Is the glitch caused by the client? |
| 19:09.48 | Daegalus | http://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/demotivational_posters/powerleveling.jpg |
| 19:10.09 | Aii | I'm probably going to hold off on doing any ground-up unitframes until custom texture loading is fixed |
| 19:10.52 | Thurwell | What about bug fixes? |
| 19:10.58 | Daegalus | Thurwell: they register independently so you can arrange them in different ways |
| 19:11.08 | Daegalus | like i have them surrounding my chat windows |
| 19:11.41 | Daegalus | you can align them in 1 line, and set bg opacity to 0, then use SNT Panels to make 1 big panel behind it. Making it look like 1 bar |
| 19:11.47 | Daegalus | its jsut so you can arrange it anyway you want |
| 19:11.49 | Thurwell | Nono not what's the point of SNT bar, what's the point of incorporating ana ddon that works stand alone into it? |
| 19:12.12 | Aii | Thurwell: bugfixes for CUF are on an 'as convenient' |
| 19:12.14 | Aii | basis |
| 19:12.15 | Daegalus | i dunno, for a smaller quicker display of it |
| 19:12.17 | Thurwell | Because I can, i figured out the code for it, but now I'm wondering if it does anything |
| 19:12.40 | Aii | which in general means if a particular bug annoys me enough, ill fix it |
| 19:12.50 | Thurwell | Well you're an SNT user, do you think I should leave the SNT compatibility in or not? |
| 19:12.55 | sysrage | ahh that nomovie is so nice. i could deal with the logos, just hated how freaking loud the sound was during them |
| 19:14.18 | Daegalus | Thurwell: you plan to ad the compass thing to it right? |
| 19:14.40 | Thurwell | No, this is a vp tracker |
| 19:14.50 | Daegalus | oh, well there already is a VP trakcer for SNT |
| 19:14.52 | Daegalus | its built in |
| 19:14.57 | Thurwell | This is a better one |
| 19:15.07 | Daegalus | ya sure, i love a good vp trakcer |
| 19:15.14 | Daegalus | i have mine right next ot my map |
| 19:15.33 | Aii | out of curiousity, what's better about it Thurwell ? |
| 19:15.33 | Daegalus | but I also use RealmStatus by Aiiane. So much win :) |
| 19:16.01 | Thurwell | It's not a realmstatus equivalent |
| 19:16.23 | Daegalus | how would it be nay different than the one SNT alreayd has though Thurwell |
| 19:16.37 | Daegalus | what makes it better |
| 19:17.10 | Thurwell | It tracks them more accurately since it pulls form gamedata instead of reading the bar, it doesn't use onupdate so it isn't updating 100 times a second, it can be configured as a numeral or graphical display... |
| 19:17.44 | Thurwell | It can be set to show the actual numbers or the 0-100 numbers people seem to like. It knows when it's a campaign zone or not, knows if it's in a locked city... |
| 19:18.10 | Daegalus | then ya, i would definitely like it for SNT |
| 19:18.12 | Thurwell | It'll show scenario points in a scenario, you can configure the text colors, and the mouseover shows the zone bonuses |
| 19:18.38 | Thurwell | ok |
| 19:19.37 | NigelTufnel | Curse's "Downloads Today" field is so strange |
| 19:19.55 | Thurwell | the scenario point thing needs work tho, I need to add the time without making the window bigger somehow |
| 19:20.13 | NigelTufnel | I have had 0 for the 2 days my addon has been out, yet it has like 60 downloads, it must count super strangely |
| 19:22.00 | Aii | wait |
| 19:22.02 | Thurwell | Also, I've never been in a contested city, so I don't know what it'll do in one of those |
| 19:22.06 | Daegalus | talvinen: if you ever feel like helping me translate JunKDump into german it woudl be awesome: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/junkdump/pages/translation-file/ |
| 19:22.23 | Aii | there are VP mods that use stuff like WindowGetDimensions to get their data? o_O |
| 19:22.35 | Thurwell | Not exactly |
| 19:22.49 | Thurwell | they all use ThreePartBar.GetLeftSidePercent |
| 19:23.06 | Aii | RS doesn't, but ok :) |
| 19:23.21 | Thurwell | wouldn't work for RS, it'll only give you data for the zone you're in |
| 19:23.25 | Aii | mhm |
| 19:23.36 | Thurwell | and like I said, this isn't like RS, this is just a compact replacement for the in zone bar |
| 19:24.00 | Thurwell | which started out on warboard, and then I thought wth, why not make it work for all 3 |
| 19:24.01 | Aii | don't worry, im not trying to argue it's useless :) |
| 19:24.25 | Thurwell | I do believe you commented on the original at one point |
| 19:24.45 | Daegalus | wow, Thurwell is right, this is in SNT_Bar: local orderVP = math.floor(ThreePartBar.GetLeftSidePercent(EA_Window_ZoneControl.ZoneControlData.barID) * 100 ) |
| 19:25.13 | Thurwell | That's how Victory Points work too, they all got it from a post neuf make on WHA somewhere |
| 19:25.38 | Thurwell | and they use onupdate, without even bothering to throttle it |
| 19:26.38 | Thurwell | Not that I could find an event documented anywhere to replace it, tho aii knew one off the top of her head |
| 19:28.44 | Aii | CAMPAIGN_ZONE_UPDATED |
| 19:28.44 | Aii | pretty straightforward >.> |
| 19:28.52 | Daegalus | Aii has the entire WAR API memorized. dont you aii |
| 19:28.52 | Thurwell | It wasn't listed on warwiki's even list tho |
| 19:28.56 | Aii | warwiki's list is not the be-all-end-all |
| 19:29.00 | talvinen | Aii: I was wondering what you're going to do with SquaredBuffIndicators when 1.06 comes out? |
| 19:29.00 | Thurwell | Apparently not |
| 19:29.05 | Aii | talvinen: the only thing it'll break is the selfonly options for buffs/hots |
| 19:29.09 | Thurwell | it's going to kill dufftimers isn't it |
| 19:29.09 | Aii | mostly |
| 19:29.09 | talvinen | Yes. So it'll break everything the mod was about :P |
| 19:29.13 | Thurwell | that sucks |
| 19:29.13 | Thurwell | Is there an event called when you cast a spell? |
| 19:29.16 | talvinen | yes |
| 19:29.16 | Aii | talvinen: not entirely, the debuff indicators still work great |
| 19:29.19 | talvinen | okay, that's true |
| 19:29.19 | Thurwell | so you could hook that, track everything you cast, and use that list to make dufftimers still work |
| 19:29.19 | talvinen | You could |
| 19:29.23 | talvinen | That's what I did with SquaredHotIndicators |
| 19:29.23 | Aii | also |
| 19:29.23 | Aii | 1.1 will be adding in a castByPlayer boolean |
| 19:29.24 | Aii | to the buff data |
| 19:29.24 | talvinen | you're sure about that? |
| 19:29.28 | Thurwell | Oh, well that's all you need to make dufftimers work again |
| 19:29.44 | Aii | so yes, it sucks that 1.0.6 will break stuff, but at least it won't be permanent |
| 19:29.58 | Aii | (for the buff issue, at least) |
| 19:30.00 | Thurwell | the dufftimers guy quit war, someone else will have to fix it |
| 19:30.01 | Daegalus | what we need is hovercast functionality again |
| 19:30.48 | Thurwell | as a class with a boatload of dots losing my timer bars is going to hurt, a lot |
| 19:31.00 | Thurwell | when's 1.1 come out? |
| 19:31.18 | Daegalus | Mid-Late December |
| 19:31.19 | Thurwell | I hope they hurry |
| 19:31.40 | talvinen | Hm |
| 19:31.43 | Daegalus | 1.0.6 comes out tomorrow. 1.1 comes out the on the PTS this week sometime |
| 19:32.02 | talvinen | It shouldn't be to hard to make DuffTimer working again |
| 19:32.07 | Thurwell | 1.06 has been on the PTS for a month or two hasn't it, makes me wonder about 1.1 coming out so fast |
| 19:32.48 | Thurwell | Yeah. I might look into that tomorrow |
| 19:33.14 | Thurwell | Just need what, the hook, the comparison, and either another hook to clean up the table or a garbage collector |
| 19:34.40 | talvinen | I was thinking about buff/debuff-timers for Amethyst, just like Quartz had |
| 19:34.46 | Daegalus | 1.0.6 has been on the pts for 2 weeks |
| 19:34.46 | Daegalus | if not less |
| 19:35.09 | Thurwell | really? seems like longer |
| 19:35.45 | Thurwell | which is the thing, if it's going to be fixed pretty quick anyway waste of time trying to add all that timer tracking in |
| 19:36.06 | Aii | the other downside to timer tracking is that it doesn't show you if something gets removed |
| 19:36.12 | Aii | especially an issue for dots |
| 19:36.20 | Aii | (or other debuffs) |
| 19:37.04 | Thurwell | Yeah, so you'd have to clean up that table now and then |
| 19:37.15 | talvinen | nah |
| 19:37.30 | talvinen | remove the (de)buff when it should expire |
| 19:37.34 | talvinen | no need for additional cleaning |
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| 19:40.57 | talvinen | if you like, you can monitor the buffs of the target, if no application of your buff or debuff is on the target, remove it from the timers |
| 19:41.03 | talvinen | not 100% accurate, but close |
| 19:41.28 | Thurwell | yeah that's what it does now, I figured what it'd do is compare those buffs with a table of crap you cast, see if it matches before displaying it |
| 19:43.38 | Thurwell | I dunno how often dufftimer checks, like if a dot gets cleansed does it know? |
| 19:45.08 | talvinen | I think dufftimer just looks up all buffs the target has and matches buffData.entityId with your entityId |
| 19:45.21 | talvinen | I don't know how to keep track of melee debuffs, though. Don't think they will fire PLAYER_BEGIN_CAST |
| 19:45.21 | Thurwell | I never looked at it's code. Looked up zbuffbars once, messy |
| 19:45.24 | Thurwell | What do you mean by melee debuffs. Like seeping wound should trigger it |
| 19:45.25 | talvinen | really? Hm. |
| 19:45.26 | talvinen | it's not a "cast" |
| 19:45.27 | Thurwell | I figure it works the same as a spell. Not if it's something that occasionally procced, that I don't know |
| 19:45.27 | Thurwell | now* |
| 19:45.27 | talvinen | yeah, that would be pretty impossible to track right now |
| 19:45.30 | Thurwell | I don't have anything that does that, but maybe WE's poisons do |
| 19:45.30 | Thurwell | never played one, I dunno |
| 19:45.30 | talvinen | there are tactics that trigger randomly on melee |
| 19:45.30 | Daegalus | is there any way to tell if a target is an NPC from teh combat log? |
| 19:45.33 | Thurwell | Hmm. Ok so randomly proced stuff won't work, but do you need that information anyway? You can't reapply those on purpose |
| 19:45.35 | talvinen | hmm |
| 19:45.35 | talvinen | what's about the duration of the buffs? |
| 19:45.45 | talvinen | afaik, it isn't in the abilityData of a spell |
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| 19:46.33 | tortall | Daegalus: There's no indication that I've seen. |
| 19:46.33 | Thurwell | Hmm. Well they figure it out somehow |
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| 19:47.57 | Thurwell | Oh, but you know dufftimers resets the bar when you switch targets, the max is what was left on the dot/hot when you targeted that person |
| 19:48.21 | talvinen | I think Dufftimer uses the duration field of buffData |
| 19:48.30 | Thurwell | Yup, uses .remaining |
| 19:48.35 | talvinen | now if we KNEW what buffs are ours, there wouldnt be a problem |
| 19:48.59 | ErroneousUsernam | Did you guys hear about Azazel crashing 5 times during a 200 vs. 200 fight at the fortress? |
| 19:49.03 | Thurwell | you could put the .remaining in that table you add to when you start a cast, then when you switch targets it'd still get the max right |
| 19:49.16 | Aii | the other issue with timer tracking is that you'd have to check the log for disrupts/misses |
| 19:49.32 | talvinen | but where do you get the .remaining from, if you don't know the buff? |
| 19:49.44 | Thurwell | start_cast is the only thing that'd work, there isn't another one for when the spell fires? |
| 19:49.45 | Aii | ErroneousUsernam: not exactly surprising |
| 19:49.56 | Thurwell | Why do you not know the buff? |
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| 19:51.31 | talvinen | because you're triggering to cast events |
| 19:51.44 | Thurwell | Only to figure out what the player is casting |
| 19:51.50 | talvinen | yes |
| 19:51.52 | talvinen | so |
| 19:52.00 | talvinen | I cast RandomDot on you |
| 19:52.12 | talvinen | but another person also casts RandomDot on you |
| 19:52.21 | talvinen | which one is yours? |
| 19:52.26 | talvinen | or, mine |
| 19:52.26 | ErroneousUsernam | What's the incentive to raid a city if the server will crash as a result? Seems kind of pointless to do ORvR in WH. |
| 19:52.43 | Thurwell | they're working on it, read the herald |
| 19:53.10 | talvinen | Not so much a problem for me, as I'm at 4 fps when attacking an undefended keep with a single warband *g* |
| 19:53.24 | WikkiFizzle | lol |
| 19:53.25 | talvinen | pretty much impossible for me to do large sieges |
| 19:53.29 | Thurwell | Ao all you can tell from begin_cast is what type of spell is being cast, not the ID of it? |
| 19:53.30 | ErroneousUsernam | I know, but this should have been done before release, not after. I mean, if the key selling point isn't even ready during release, then what's the point of even releasing the game to begin with? |
| 19:54.03 | Thurwell | Because MMOs release when they run out of development money, not when they're ready |
| 19:54.06 | ErroneousUsernam | Aside from money, of course. :P |
| 19:54.07 | talvinen | Thurwell: You get the abilityId of the spell. which is not always identically to the abilityId of the (de)buff granted |
| 19:54.09 | nicoli_s | aiiane you around? |
| 19:54.21 | tortall | Mythic screwed up because they made it too easy to reach Tier 4. In DAoC, it was probably 6 months before the first 50 appeared. But this is all OT |
| 19:54.31 | Thurwell | Well that's no good, we need the id of the (de)buff |
| 19:54.48 | talvinen | Even then we need to seperate our buff from other buffs of the same id |
| 19:55.01 | Aii | nicoli_s: ? |
| 19:55.16 | ErroneousUsernam | Are you guys trying to develop a mod that identifies a player's buffs/debuffs? |
| 19:55.29 | Thorien | recently my guildies could do 50 in a couple weeks on DAOC |
| 19:55.52 | talvinen | what we COULD do is monitoring the target's buffs, and if we just cast a spell, use the next buff with the same icon as our spell as OUR buff |
| 19:56.12 | Thurwell | Not 100% accurate, but it should usually work |
| 19:56.26 | talvinen | yep |
| 19:56.47 | Thurwell | you could, in theory, get disrupted right as someone else casts the same thing |
| 19:56.50 | talvinen | and if there's no such buff within a sec or so, we had a resist |
| 19:57.03 | Thorien | Do you think Mythic will add more levels ala WoW in next year's expansion? |
| 19:57.20 | nicoli_s | yes |
| 19:57.20 | Thurwell | thorien: no |
| 19:57.44 | Thurwell | Coupla weeks, when the first daoc expansion when live some guy got a valewalker to 50 in 24 hours |
| 19:58.27 | sysrage | who broke guidance councelor? |
| 19:58.36 | Thorien | heh |
| 19:58.57 | Thorien | yes, my guys are >casual players heh heh |
| 19:59.33 | ErroneousUsernam | They should do a global decrease of exp and renown; wipe out all of their faulty servers; increase the cap on the servers they know work, and migrate everyone to those; and then allocate all of the funds from maintaining low pop/dysfunctional servers to patches that fix the client. A bit extreme, but people are already leaving the game because of how unpolished it is, might as well just take... |
| 19:59.36 | ErroneousUsernam | ...a chance. |
| 19:59.55 | Thurwell | See this dufftimer thing gets more and more complicated, could it even be pulled off before 1.1 makes obsolete |
| 20:00.11 | Thurwell | Ok dude, go put your resume in at mythic and get back to us |
| 20:00.23 | ErroneousUsernam | Then again, they should have done all of this during BETA testing. Which leads to another question -- what exactly were people testing during BETA? :P |
| 20:00.51 | WikkiFizzle | Personally Im not worrying about the lack of being able to see my own buffs/debuffs, knowing its coming in 1.1 is enough to negate any time spent coding a work around |
| 20:00.56 | ErroneousUsernam | Pfft... My resume is actually pretty darn sexy! |
| 20:01.05 | Thurwell | Dude this is the UIDEV chan, not the rant about why you're leaving chan |
| 20:01.13 | NigelTufnel | ooo snap |
| 20:01.15 | ErroneousUsernam | I'm not leaving. :P |
| 20:01.38 | Thurwell | And the forums are awash in people complaining that leveling is too slow, so you're not even going to get a consensus |
| 20:01.48 | Thorien | folks are leaving due to the population imbalance. My guildies are grumbline about it already |
| 20:01.55 | Thorien | grumbling |
| 20:02.12 | Thorien | I think levelling is actually ok |
| 20:02.19 | Thorien | there are bigger issues |
| 20:02.34 | Thurwell | nothing they can do about pop imbalance, that's a player choice |
| 20:02.37 | Aii | On a side note, this comment amuses me http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/squared.aspx#356167 |
| 20:02.38 | Thorien | as games go, there is a great deal I like in WAR |
| 20:02.55 | Thorien | actually there are standerd pop controls they CAN use |
| 20:03.14 | Thorien | and its better to use them than lose a lot of players |
| 20:03.23 | WikkiFizzle | Aii: Do you think if I asked for an argument to PLAYER_TARGET_EFFECTS_UPDATED, Id get it? :P |
| 20:03.34 | Thurwell | Come on aii, you're smart, you can't figure out how to get a scripted language to talk to a hard coded memory tracker :) |
| 20:03.51 | Aii | WikkiFizzle: what kind of argument |
| 20:03.57 | WikkiFizzle | targetType |
| 20:04.19 | ErroneousUsernam | Well, what's the point of developing the UI of a game if it's going downhill? Even if you're putting previous projects on a resume, a mod from a successful game like WoW would look better than WH. |
| 20:04.21 | WikkiFizzle | erm actually a classification |
| 20:04.25 | Thurwell | Oh oh question, is there a way to change the color of someone's icon on the mini map? |
| 20:04.51 | WikkiFizzle | So we can determine which of the 3 target effects updated |
| 20:04.54 | Thurwell | Q to log in last night varied between 100-200, we can afford to lose a few |
| 20:05.02 | tortall | EU, you may be well-meaning, but telling us we're wasting our time because you don't like the game isn't really appropriate |
| 20:05.02 | talvinen | WAR isn't going Downhill. Not everyone wants to play WoW for the rest of their lives |
| 20:05.06 | Aii | WikkiFizzle: don't bother, it's changing anyways |
| 20:05.12 | Bloodwalker | The map functions are all on the server.. and the icons are colored by realm |
| 20:05.18 | WikkiFizzle | ko |
| 20:05.44 | Thurwell | I know how they're colored now, what if I want to change that. that's kind of what we do here |
| 20:06.22 | nicoli_s | anyone in here have the PTS installed who could extract something from their myp for wardb? |
| 20:06.29 | Aii | off to lunch, bbl |
| 20:06.46 | Thurwell | I don't see any obvious function to change those icon colors, but I'd wondered if someone more knowledgeable knows |
| 20:07.16 | Bloodwalker | There isnt much you can do to the map Thurwell... all the functions for placement and clicks all come from the server as one large window |
| 20:07.28 | Thurwell | nuts |
| 20:07.32 | Bloodwalker | a <MapDisplay> window |
| 20:07.51 | Bloodwalker | thats why I built MapMonster... for custom icons |
| 20:07.56 | Thurwell | thought it'd be cool to have, say, my main assist one color and my healer another, make sure I'm not wandering off |
| 20:08.05 | ErroneousUsernam | Ah, I guess you're right in the sense that there's no point making a rant in this channel. I'm probably better off contributing to the development of WH's UI. :P |
| 20:08.14 | talvinen | ! |
| 20:10.31 | Bloodwalker | as for wandering away from your tank or or healer... Im working on something that might help with that.. part of the MapMonster Navigator.. waypoints that can tell you direction and distance to a point...and when I get around to doing the sharing could have your tank and healer broadcast their position every so often and update your waypoint so you know where they are |
| 20:10.45 | Thurwell | that could work |
| 20:11.01 | Darktao | O.o |
| 20:11.09 | Thurwell | or just something to make the target indicator more obiovus, I have to basically point my camera straight down at my head to see where my friendly and hostile target are |
| 20:11.27 | ErroneousUsernam | I have a question about the squared mod -- why does it not update the in-range list? Do I have to click on every character that's outside my range to see if they're back in range? |
| 20:11.39 | Bloodwalker | Already have a compass as part of MapMonster Navigator.. surprised how many directionally challenged people play :) |
| 20:11.52 | talvinen | ErroneousUsernam: Yes you do. |
| 20:12.03 | ErroneousUsernam | Is there a way around this? |
| 20:12.03 | Thurwell | If you're not looking at the map it's easy to get off track going around mobs and hills and whatever |
| 20:12.04 | talvinen | No, there is no other way to do a range check |
| 20:12.16 | talvinen | You only get range information about your targets |
| 20:12.18 | NigelTufnel | EU, look at the squared comments, you will see alllll about that |
| 20:12.40 | Bloodwalker | ErroneousUsernam the game does not provide distance and direction to the client directly... the only way is to click and check in range true/false.. thats it |
| 20:14.03 | ErroneousUsernam | Ah, that sucks. |
| 20:15.52 | ErroneousUsernam | Another question -- Is there a mod that updates my map? From time to time, I cannot see all the members of my party, even if they're in the same map as me; also, when viewing the status on battlefield objectives and keeps, it does not show the actual stats of the keep/BO. |
| 20:16.30 | ErroneousUsernam | status, rather -- as in, the keep may appear to be owned by order, when it is in fact, owned by destruction. |
| 20:16.44 | Bloodwalker | again.. map functions are controlled by the server |
| 20:17.48 | Thurwell | Wait, so mapmonster can automatically make waypoints for all the tome unlocks? |
| 20:18.13 | Bloodwalker | Thurwell: MapMonster will handle the map icons.. TomeTracker will make them |
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| 20:18.48 | Thurwell | How do you make TT make them? |
| 20:19.37 | Bloodwalker | By using the API I built into MapMonster.. Tometracker watches for Tome Unlock alerts.. then will use the MapMonster APi to make a new pin in that position |
| 20:19.54 | Thurwell | So the tome tracker guys have already implemented this? |
| 20:20.01 | Bloodwalker | anyone can write an addon to use MapMonster to make pins |
| 20:20.24 | Thurwell | But what about unlocks I haven't done, that are in TT? |
| 20:20.29 | Bloodwalker | Im the TomeTracker guy :).. the guys doing Tome Titan are planning on using MapMonster last I heard |
| 20:21.02 | Thurwell | well if mapmonster would show unlocks, and I mean undone ones, that it's functionality for me would go way up |
| 20:21.41 | NigelTufnel | well its functionality is that it can show ANYTHING, someone just has to make those pins, atleast from how I see it |
| 20:23.08 | Bloodwalker | Right NigelTufnel... MapMonster just gives a common and easy way for any addon to put stuff on your map.. and handles the filters and display so you can see what you want to see |
| 20:23.08 | Bloodwalker | and you can make new pins manually yourself with MapMonster for a spot you want to remember |
| 20:23.08 | tortall | Eww, you want a mod to do all the work for you? One of my favorite activities is exploring and finding the unlocks on my own! |
| 20:23.10 | NigelTufnel | thats true too |
| 20:23.10 | Thurwell | So says the non-lazy |
| 20:23.40 | Thurwell | I don't need to remember anything, I think it'd be neat if I pulled up my map and it said hey, there's an unlock somewhere around here, which I would then go check out |
| 20:23.42 | NigelTufnel | ya, exactly |
| 20:24.07 | NigelTufnel | well thurwell, thats not mapmonster's job, its another addons job to implement mapmonster to put them there |
| 20:24.47 | Thurwell | that is true nigel, but if they are already planning to have TT, and blood said they are, that's a feature I would vote for in TT |
| 20:24.52 | Bloodwalker | Means addons dont have to mess with the map themselves and step all over each other trying to do it |
| 20:25.01 | Thurwell | um, to have TT use MM I mean. I backspaced too much |
| 20:34.31 | Bloodwalker | anyone try to use pkgmeta externals to grab from and hg repo? whats the right syntax |
| 20:35.51 | tortall | I see mention that towstring(a={}) crashes the client. Is there a list anywhere of code like that that is known to crash the client? |
| 20:36.09 | tortall | One of my addons seems to be doing that, and I would love to know what to look for in my code. |
| 20:37.37 | Thorien | Change the code to un nest the work |
| 20:37.52 | Thorien | local a = {} |
| 20:37.54 | Bloodwalker | trial and error Im afraid.. I bugged that last week to Mythic hoping it would help them find the last CTD errors |
| 20:38.08 | Thorien | then do towstring{a} |
| 20:38.40 | ErroneousUsernam | I thought the server controlled the functions of the map. How can you put pins on the map? |
| 20:38.55 | Bloodwalker | thatll crash Thorien |
| 20:39.03 | Thorien | really! |
| 20:39.22 | tortall | towstring() on an empty table crashes the client? what joy. |
| 20:39.22 | Bloodwalker | ErroneousUsernam because I make my own on top of the map not as part of the default map |
| 20:39.44 | Bloodwalker | this crashes too towstring({L""}) |
| 20:39.58 | ErroneousUsernam | Ah, that's a smart way to go about things. |
| 20:40.14 | Thorien | ok so no empty tables |
| 20:40.37 | Thorien | no empty anything |
| 20:40.48 | Bloodwalker | towstring on a table isnt a good idea if it can be avoided |
| 20:40.59 | Bloodwalker | empty strings are fine |
| 20:41.03 | tortall | I just checked my code for that, and I don't call towstring() on tables at all. I wonder if other so-called empty variables have the same effect. |
| 20:41.17 | Thorien | towstring{GameData.Player.name} will still work? |
| 20:41.29 | Bloodwalker | ya I use it |
| 20:41.35 | tortall | I hope not, Thorien. |
| 20:41.41 | Thorien | whew, thats kinda basic |
| 20:41.56 | Thorien | ok use parens instead of braces |
| 20:42.01 | tortall | unless you're naming the table towstring :p |
| 20:42.14 | Thorien | not referencing tables |
| 20:42.23 | Thorien | just a general question |
| 20:42.39 | Thorien | about towstring |
| 20:42.45 | tortall | towstring() on that is a waste anyway, as that info is already a widestring :) |
| 20:42.53 | tortall | er, that variable. |
| 20:42.57 | Thorien | ok |
| 20:43.17 | Thorien | I've seen a couple examples using that |
| 20:43.38 | Bloodwalker | ok who knows HG.. Im trying to get a path to the mainline trunk.. regardless of any new revisions |
| 20:43.42 | tortall | Bloodwalker: do you know if tostring() has similar bugs? |
| 20:43.51 | Bloodwalker | havent tried tortall |
| 20:44.11 | Bloodwalker | tracking down the towstring was rough enough when Id crash everytime :) |
| 20:44.46 | tortall | I sometimes do towstring(tostring(...)) for debugging, as tostring() converts nils to the string "nil". Handy in a d() or DEBUG() |
| 20:45.14 | talvinen | someone here using Amethyst? |
| 20:45.29 | Bloodwalker | might be safe then if it hasnt crashed you yet |
| 20:48.25 | nicoli_s | anyone familiar with the variable GameData.TargetObjectTypes |
| 20:49.02 | Aiiane | yes |
| 20:49.25 | nicoli_s | do you know why it's missing a 2 when i dump it in game? |
| 20:49.41 | Aiiane | because 2 isn't assigned to anything? |
| 20:49.55 | nicoli_s | well they use it for white lion pets :) |
| 20:50.07 | Aiiane | it's just one of the many sets of constants exported from the C portion of the client |
| 20:50.28 | nicoli_s | ah shit, it's only your white lion, not everyones :( |
| 20:50.29 | Aiiane | you sure? I was getting 4 for WL pets |
| 20:50.32 | Aiiane | yeah |
| 20:50.35 | Aiiane | probably just your own pet |
| 20:53.32 | NigelTufnel | at what size tables should performance + memory be seriously considered |
| 20:53.46 | NigelTufnel | aka, what is "too" big before you want to trim down |
| 20:54.37 | nicoli_s | aiiane, do you know the enum for conType ? |
| 20:54.57 | Aiiane | sec |
| 20:55.49 | Aiiane | GameData.ConType |
| 20:55.59 | Aiiane | DANGEROUS = 6, EASY = 3, NO_LEVEL = 0, EFFORTLESS = 2, TRIVIAL = 1, EQUAL = 4, FRIENDLY = 8, DEADLY = 7, CHALLENGING = 5, |
| 20:57.02 | NigelTufnel | Aiiane, how important is minimizing table size for performance/memory usage |
| 20:57.08 | NigelTufnel | if its like... under 100kb |
| 20:57.49 | Bloodwalker | Aiiane Im trying to use pkgmeta externals with hg.. whats the proper path to get the trunk regardless of the revision? |
| 20:58.55 | Aiiane | http://hg.curseforge.net/war/shortnamegoeshere/mainline/trunk |
| 20:59.44 | Aiiane | NigelTufnel: Lua tables are fairly efficiently implemented |
| 21:00.39 | Bloodwalker | tried that but Im trying to snag jsut AceLocale out of the Ace3 repo not the whole thing and end up with a path like http://hg.curseforge.net/war/ace3/mainline/file/0a8055c9b1e6/AceLocale-3.0/ |
| 21:02.05 | NigelTufnel | Aiiane: and as far as memory usage from tables, I immagine in the kilobytes wont make really like any diff |
| 21:02.36 | Aiiane | Bloodwalker: I'm not sure CF supports grabbing subdirectories out of hg/git repos yet |
| 21:03.02 | nicoli_s | anyone know if the chat filter SystemData.ChatLogFilters.PET_HITS filters out everyone's pets hits, or jus your own |
| 21:03.21 | Bloodwalker | Unfortunate then.. Ill have to have a local copy |
| 21:03.26 | Aiiane | I wasn't aware you could even see others' pet hits, nicoli_s |
| 21:03.46 | NigelTufnel | unless they are incoming, but then they are in the incoming hits filter, not pet hits |
| 21:04.25 | nicoli_s | is there a way to associate incoming chat messages wit hteh filters they are associated with? |
| 21:04.44 | nicoli_s | like could i get a chat message and know its going to be filtered by a specific message |
| 21:04.57 | beatrixkiddo | I wish there was a way to assign certain text strings to a filter |
| 21:05.13 | Aiiane | nicoli_s: once it's in the log it has its filtertype listed |
| 21:05.15 | beatrixkiddo | so for instance i could filter out rolls, sellspam, and a few of the other things that have no actual filter category |
| 21:05.16 | Aiiane | so just check there? |
| 21:05.24 | beatrixkiddo | tithespam too |
| 21:05.44 | nicoli_s | k thx aiiane, still trying to find a way to filter pets out of wardb |
| 21:06.32 | nicoli_s | also, do you know what data in game corresponds to GameData.TargetTypes ? |
| 21:07.03 | Aiiane | GameData.TargetTypes ? |
| 21:07.14 | Aiiane | oh, that |
| 21:07.29 | Aiiane | probably ability targeting |
| 21:07.33 | nicoli_s | ahh yeah, duh |
| 21:07.57 | Aiiane | given that there's a TARGET_GROUND |
| 21:07.58 | tortall | Aiiane, I was just chatting with Thurwell about a possible bug in TDPS, and he pointed me to NoCombatLog. I was wondering if you could elaborate on the bugs a bit so I could tell if I am hitting that particular bug while trying to parse the log. |
| 21:08.12 | Aiiane | tortall: ? |
| 21:08.18 | nicoli_s | there's not a way you can check a castability of a spell is there? like see if a spell can be cast on a certain unit, and if not, return the error enum? |
| 21:08.42 | Aiiane | nicoli_s: nope. only thing you can check is whether a given spell can be cast on the set of currently selected targets |
| 21:08.53 | nicoli_s | k |
| 21:09.19 | nicoli_s | damn mythic, giving me a hard time |
| 21:10.20 | ErroneousUsernam | Can lua be used as a general-purpose scripting languag, or should I stick to Python? Because Python's standard library > lua's standard library. |
| 21:10.34 | tortall | Basically, my client CTDs every 45 minutes or so, and it makes it rather difficult to play. Between my brother and me, we've determined it is probably due to one of my addons. Trying to pin it down a bit. |
| 21:10.42 | Aiiane | that's because Lua is designed to be embedded ErroneousUsernam |
| 21:10.53 | ErroneousUsernam | And from what I know about lua, it's only good as a lightweight embedded language. |
| 21:10.53 | Aiiane | it /can/ be used as a general purpose language, but its focus is embedding |
| 21:11.28 | tortall | In fact, the standalone interpreter is just a thin wrapper over the embedded library. |
| 21:11.31 | Aiiane | tortall: do you leave the debug log on all the time? |
| 21:12.19 | ErroneousUsernam | Does lua, at the very least, have key bindings for cross platform GUI toolkits? |
| 21:13.21 | Aiiane | key bindings? |
| 21:13.41 | ErroneousUsernam | -key |
| 21:14.24 | ErroneousUsernam | Does it have bindings for cross platform GUI toolkits, is what I meant to say. |
| 21:15.14 | Aiiane | lua itself doesn't deal with GUIs at all |
| 21:15.21 | ErroneousUsernam | It doesn't? |
| 21:16.02 | Aiiane | why would it? 99% of its uses are either command line or an in app that provides its own GUI |
| 21:16.38 | Thurwell | the debug log can cause crashes? |
| 21:16.45 | Aiiane | any log can cause crashes |
| 21:17.05 | Aiiane | the debug and combat logs are just the ones that have the highest rate of entry addition |
| 21:17.12 | Thurwell | Oh. sigh, was hoping I could turn the combat log off. But I'll be more careful to turn debug off |
| 21:17.17 | Thurwell | What other logs are there? |
| 21:17.34 | Aiiane | chat and system, neither of which really grows fast enough to be an issue |
| 21:18.14 | Thurwell | ok |
| 21:21.18 | tortall | Shame Mythic doesn't just make the logs a circular queue with a length guranteed to fit in available memory. Seems really silly to let them grow without bound. Noob mistake IMO. |
| 21:22.02 | Bloodwalker | Aiiane: the libstub 4 package still has libstub 3 in it instead |
| 21:22.42 | tortall | You didn't read the changelog, Bloodwalker. They say "changed 3 to a 4" :P |
| 21:23.17 | Aiiane | Bloodwalker: yep, the packager borked it, dunno why |
| 21:23.43 | Aiiane | tortall: they're not supposed to grow without bound |
| 21:23.50 | Aiiane | just the function that limits them is bugged. |
| 21:24.02 | Bloodwalker | needs a new repackage then for minor version fix |
| 21:24.30 | Aiiane | or just grab the latest version directly from svn |
| 21:24.42 | Aiiane | er, hg, sorry |
| 21:24.44 | Aiiane | same diff |
| 21:24.57 | sysrage | rofl. moved from server where order wouldn't fight unless they outnumbered destro to a server where destro won't fight unless they outnumber order |
| 21:25.31 | Thurwell | why would you engage in a fight you can't win |
| 21:25.38 | Aiiane | welcome to mass pvp |
| 21:26.01 | Thurwell | That's what generals and officers throughout history have tried to do, win the fight before it starts |
| 21:27.07 | Thorien | I'd be happy with even numbers |
| 21:27.52 | ErroneousUsernam | @Aiiane: I would prefer not to use the Windows command-prompt. And the problem with lua's command prompt is that it blocks in a read loop. I think there was a project in the works for an extended interactive prompt, but it was only a buggy demo. |
| 21:29.14 | tortall | What are you doing with a command prompt that makes Lua a better fit than cmd? |
| 21:29.24 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r22 / (5 files in 3 directories): Adding AceLocale and LibStub |
| 21:29.39 | sysrage | even numbers would be ideal, but it's stupid to run away if you don't outnumber them. i've seen many fights won where the winning team had fewer people |
| 21:30.15 | Thurwell | I dunno, there's constant orvr on my server. Usually in multiple zones |
| 21:30.25 | Repo | 10squaredhotindicators: 03talvinen * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): major changes to previous versions, check the addon's page |
| 21:30.27 | Thurwell | very zergy tho |
| 21:31.08 | sysrage | ya i just got on ironfist. at least there is constant action. i've just seen way too many times when one side goes to another zone or something if they don't outnumber the other side by a long shot |
| 21:31.15 | sysrage | and i wish orvr was less zergy |
| 21:31.17 | Thurwell | we were amazing, coming from a low pop server, how little strategy there is on dark crag. just have 70 people melee the door, it'll drop... |
| 21:32.56 | Thurwell | CW was less zergy, we fought over the rams, over the oil, has sortees from the side doors, lots of fun stuff. But if it happened once a week and you were off to dinner at that time it wasn't very helpful |
| 21:34.15 | ErroneousUsernam | I'm just not a command-prompt fan, and I would rather have something similar to IPython in use, so that I can learn lua faster; it's a preference thing. |
| 21:39.29 | Bloodwalker | Hey Cairenn |
| 21:40.16 | Cairenn | hey Bloodwalker :) |
| 21:40.37 | Bloodwalker | step in any ankle deep puddles yet? |
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| 21:45.02 | ErroneousUsernam | Does anyone here use WindowBlinds? |
| 21:48.03 | *** join/#waruidev Odlaw (n=ozzy@c-98-245-75-224.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 21:48.17 | ErroneousUsernam | I hate a lot of things about Window's Shell, and would like to change a few things. |
| 21:48.36 | ErroneousUsernam | If I'm going to use an OS to play games, I might as well make it look the part. |
| 21:49.42 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r23 / (2 files in 2 directories): Folder Rename |
| 21:50.26 | Thorien | I'll see you all later |
| 21:50.40 | ErroneousUsernam | Later Thorien |
| 21:50.54 | *** part/#waruidev Thorien (n=jdoggett@host-216-153-159-218.man.choiceone.net) |
| 21:54.40 | Bloodwalker | Ah thats better... kind of like having the neighbours mowing their lawn at 7am on a saturday |
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| 22:06.26 | sysrage | any WE or WH in here? is the effect for stealth completely broken for anybody other than me? always shows me fully visible even hwne i'm stealthed |
| 22:09.07 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r24 / (5 files in 3 directories): Removed spammy debug message I overlooked |
| 22:09.09 | Repo | Adding more localization files |
| 22:10.00 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker * r25 Source/MapMonster.lua: Incr rev |
| 22:10.10 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker 04Beta v0.2.2 * r26 : Tagging as Beta v0.2.2 |
| 22:19.04 | Repo | 10killtracker: 03Bloodwalker * r7 KillTracker.mod: Add ea_chatwindow dep just for completness sake |
| 22:22.08 | Repo | 10killtracker: 03Bloodwalker 07development * r8 : Creating development branch |
| 22:23.10 | Repo | 10mapmonster: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r27 : Creating development branch |
| 22:24.12 | Repo | 10mapmonsternavigator: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r7 : Creating Development branch |
| 22:26.35 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker 07Development * r44 / (3 files in 2 directories): Updates for the new MapMonsterAPI |
| 22:26.36 | Repo | Added sample Pin Generator function |
| 22:26.42 | Repo | Added EA_ChatWindow dep for completeness |
| 22:27.20 | Bloodwalker | someone might think its time for spring cleaning |
| 22:28.05 | art3mis | oh yeah! |
| 22:28.12 | art3mis | twisted sister this saturday! |
| 22:28.56 | Bloodwalker | lol they still alive? |
| 22:30.30 | Repo | 10pure: 03wikki * r9 Source (3 files in 1 directory): Added rclick menu code to target uf |
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| 22:34.54 | Bloodwalker | later |
| 22:51.12 | nicoli_s | aiiane, thanks again, wardb is now compatable with the new classes |
| 22:51.37 | art3mis | woot |
| 22:51.59 | art3mis | speaking of which the new careers n stuff in now or is this the final heavy metal day? |
| 22:52.07 | nicoli_s | i believe tonight is the last night |
| 22:52.17 | art3mis | <-- anxious |
| 22:52.24 | art3mis | i luvs me new things |
| 23:29.37 | Aiiane | back in a bit, going to get my advisor to approve my schedule for next semester |
| 23:34.13 | art3mis | what aiiane really means is "gonna go ask my parents for another "loan" to go to school for philosphy" |
| 23:35.21 | art3mis | man this is an awesome week |
| 23:37.42 | art3mis | suicidal tendencies tomorrow bowling and alcoholism on thursday twisted sister on saturday |
| 23:48.06 | sysrage | mmm pie |
| 23:51.27 | art3mis | what kind of pie |
| 23:52.04 | art3mis | and does it come with coowHIp |
