| 00:00.11 | Aiiane | it installed it but when I rebooted it said the driver was for a previous version of windows and reverted to VGA |
| 00:00.23 | Aiiane | even though I have XP, and downloaded the XP driver |
| 00:00.25 | Thrae | "insanely popular by everyone"...I need to stop getting up at 5am |
| 00:00.46 | Thrae | Aiiane: 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 00:00.50 | Aiiane | 32bit |
| 00:00.58 | NigelTufnel | haha |
| 00:01.39 | Thrae | Aiiane: Do you have driver signing disabled? |
| 00:02.05 | Aiiane | Thrae: not sure, where to check? |
| 00:02.38 | Aiiane | oh, found it in system properties |
| 00:02.40 | Aiiane | it's set to warn |
| 00:04.25 | Thrae | Aiiane: Wait, I forgot that should be turned off by default in XP 32-bit. |
| 00:04.48 | Aiiane | and it installed fine, which is when driver signing is usually checked I thought |
| 00:04.52 | art3mis | hrm |
| 00:05.09 | Thrae | It should give a pop-up "This Driver is not digitally signed bewaaaare" |
| 00:05.09 | art3mis | is nihm supposed to have some sort of interface that pops up when you use the tradeskills? |
| 00:05.37 | Aiiane | Thrae: yes, and I hit install anyways |
| 00:05.40 | Aiiane | and it installed it |
| 00:05.46 | Aiiane | it's when I *reboot* that it borked |
| 00:05.57 | Thrae | Hmmmm. |
| 00:06.49 | Thrae | Aiiane: Did you uninstall the Nvidia drivers first? |
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| 00:07.43 | Aiiane | uninstall 178 you mean? |
| 00:07.53 | Thrae | Right |
| 00:08.00 | Aiiane | hrm, no... I could try that |
| 00:08.25 | Aiiane | also, is it just me, or is installing nvidia drivers annoying |
| 00:08.38 | Aiiane | in that there's a setup.exe, but it doesn't actually do what you need to do |
| 00:08.44 | Aiiane | and rather you have to install them via update driver |
| 00:08.55 | Thrae | Aiiane: Download http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1655 (Driver Sweeper), uninstall Nvidia normally, install Driver Sweeper, go into Safe Mode, run Driver Sweeper. If you use a nForce motherboard, be sure not to remove those of course ;) |
| 00:09.11 | Thrae | Setup.exe always works for me... |
| 00:09.18 | Thrae | I think you might have a corrupt installation. |
| 00:09.32 | Aiiane | weird. |
| 00:09.49 | Thrae | I can't go into specifics, but I had to run Nvidia's installation and uninstallation tools no less then 16352 times for my job. |
| 00:10.30 | Aiiane | testing software on various driver sets? :P |
| 00:10.49 | Thrae | You could say that. |
| 00:12.39 | Aiiane | so um, drivercleaner's interface isn't exactly very descriptive |
| 00:13.31 | Thrae | Aiiane: Did you download Driver Cleaner or Driver Sweeper? |
| 00:13.40 | Aiiane | er, driver sweeper |
| 00:13.42 | Aiiane | sorry |
| 00:14.14 | Aiiane | im guessing from the name it's designed to completely remove driver files? |
| 00:14.23 | Aiiane | not just ones not in use? |
| 00:14.51 | Thrae | You want to select NVIDIA - Display from its checkbox, then click on 'Clean'. But you want to do that after you uninstall Nvidia Display drivers and after you boot into Safe Mode (just in case any driver files are still incorrectly loaded). |
| 00:15.18 | Aiiane | I also want to figure out why setup.exe won't work :/ |
| 00:15.23 | Thrae | It's just a fancy way of deleting files and registry entries. |
| 00:15.31 | Thrae | Hopefully after this, setup.exe will work for you. |
| 00:16.33 | Thrae | Note that 180.xx setup.exe uses .NET 2.0 for some bizarre reason, so you need that installed. |
| 00:17.05 | Thrae | I found that out the hard way when I borked my own .NET 2.0 by having a Deployment setup in my Downloads directory. |
| 00:17.55 | Aiiane | at some point I might wipe out my .NET install and reinstall it clean from 2.0 up to 3.5 |
| 00:18.01 | Aiiane | its be acting oddly lately |
| 00:18.34 | Aiiane | honestly, I should really rebuild my entire system, but I really don't want to ;_; |
| 00:20.34 | Aiiane | grrr |
| 00:20.41 | Aiiane | msiexec seems seriously borked :| |
| 00:20.59 | Thrae | Aiiane: What error is it giving you? |
| 00:22.58 | Aiiane | some installation is 'suspended' and thus it won't do anything else until that one is finished, but when I tell it "sure, roll back the old one" it just sits there doing nothing forever |
| 00:24.04 | Thrae | Aiiane: Reboot. If that doesn't solve the problem, start terminating processes in task manager, especially any extra setup.exe. |
| 00:26.45 | Aiiane | ill try that I guess |
| 00:31.38 | Aii | using my irssi client so I don't have to keep reconnecting |
| 00:32.19 | Aii | this is really odd, when i run the set-extracting executable for the drivers, its now trying to run a /different/ installer |
| 00:34.02 | Thrae | Aii: Copy the exe and place it in a different folder, then try again. |
| 00:34.16 | Aii | did that, same result |
| 00:34.34 | Thrae | Note that it has to extract the installer first. |
| 00:34.54 | Aii | hrm |
| 00:34.58 | Aii | i tried copying it to a different drive |
| 00:35.03 | Aii | and it /seems/ to be working |
| 00:35.06 | Thrae | The 175.xx and 180.xx both include the PhysX software too, so it'll have to install that as well. |
| 00:35.31 | Thrae | Yeah, sounds like your .NET 2.0 Deployment settings are messed up by another application...or, worse, your main hard drive might have bad secotrs. |
| 00:35.39 | Jarika | i don't think you have to, if you don't you wont have physics engine support |
| 00:35.40 | Aii | doubt it's the HD |
| 00:36.03 | Aii | the .net settings being borked sounds far more likely |
| 00:36.08 | Thrae | You might as well check the HDD when you have time, setup a run before bedtime. |
| 00:36.17 | Aii | because I had a hell of a time getting .net 3.5 to install properly |
| 00:36.57 | Aii | but at least the nvidia setup.exe seems to be working now |
| 00:37.28 | Thrae | Yeah, the previous setup.exe's didn't use .NET. Or maybe it's a feature of a newer installer engine. |
| 00:37.46 | Aii | "feature" |
| 00:38.04 | NigelTufnel | Is this all an attempt to improve on war's CTD for the 8800 were talking about? |
| 00:38.43 | Jarika | there are ctds with the 8800s? |
| 00:38.51 | NigelTufnel | the gt |
| 00:39.09 | Jarika | hm i think i have the gts |
| 00:39.29 | Aii | rebooting, wish me luck |
| 00:39.30 | Thrae | NigelTufnel: GTS is also having problems too |
| 00:39.34 | NigelTufnel | ah ok |
| 00:39.41 | Thrae | Hence why I keep saying "8800 series" |
| 00:39.45 | NigelTufnel | right |
| 00:39.52 | NigelTufnel | and what are we testing atm, a new driver? |
| 00:39.56 | Thrae | 8800GT seems the worst of it though. |
| 00:40.12 | Thrae | Yeah, Aiiane is trying 180.43, the newest beta driver. |
| 00:40.23 | Jarika | can't say i have CTDs |
| 00:40.24 | NigelTufnel | gotcha |
| 00:40.35 | Thrae | It has some nice new features. |
| 00:40.48 | Thrae | Jarika: You never have the client suddenly exit without any error popping up? |
| 00:40.49 | NigelTufnel | Sweet, does it mention anything about war too? |
| 00:41.06 | NigelTufnel | or are we just hoping things have improved with the driver for war too |
| 00:42.13 | Thrae | NigelTufnel: No, and they don't have a profile for it yet. WAR is pretty new. But a beta driver has the best chance of having fixes from Nvidia's internal testing of WAR. |
| 00:42.17 | Aii | well, it didn't keel over and die on me this time Thrae |
| 00:42.35 | NigelTufnel | makes sense |
| 00:43.35 | Thrae | Aii: That's an improvement. Really, I think Windows 7 will be your ticket out of your hellish XP environment ;) |
| 00:43.59 | Thrae | From my sources, it has pretty good driver compatibility with Vista. |
| 00:44.24 | Aii | if it weren't for so much of what I do being windows apps, I'd probably just run ubuntu o.o |
| 00:45.26 | Thrae | As would we all. |
| 00:45.43 | NigelTufnel | ya, that is pretty assured in this irc channel |
| 00:45.52 | Thrae | I separate my "workstation" from my "gaming machine". |
| 00:46.18 | Aii | I wish I had the money to do that Thrae |
| 00:46.23 | Thrae | Actually, my "workstation" is just a VM inside my "gaming machine", but that's just consolidation right there. |
| 00:46.39 | NigelTufnel | Ya I really gotta do that again |
| 00:46.44 | NigelTufnel | im dying without vim =[ |
| 00:46.55 | Aii | gVim is available for windows NigelTufnel ;) |
| 00:47.06 | NigelTufnel | ya, I have been thinkin about that actually |
| 00:47.21 | NigelTufnel | this summer I got hooked on vim like a drug |
| 00:47.32 | NigelTufnel | I cant type in word anymore for my life |
| 00:47.56 | Thrae | I use gvim myself for coding. |
| 00:48.10 | NigelTufnel | ya Im gonna get it right now heh |
| 00:52.32 | Aii | I use notepad++ because im used to it |
| 00:53.47 | NigelTufnel | ya, I have been using notepad, but I cannot deny my love for vim |
| 00:54.03 | NigelTufnel | notepad++ that is |
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| 00:59.04 | Aiiane | now to try WAR with 180 |
| 00:59.36 | NigelTufnel | How long would it take for your computer for you to realize a marked improvement? |
| 00:59.59 | Aiiane | well, since the issue we're trying to solve is CTDs, it's not exactly easy to test short-term |
| 01:00.04 | NigelTufnel | ya |
| 01:00.16 | Aiiane | so probably a couple of hours |
| 01:00.17 | Aiiane | at least |
| 01:00.18 | NigelTufnel | ya |
| 01:00.48 | NigelTufnel | I always find mine happens in larger action areas whereas I can be essentially idle for hours on end |
| 01:00.59 | NigelTufnel | but I guess actually PLAYING war isnt such a bad test =P |
| 01:01.12 | NigelTufnel | and a nice change in pace from just coding |
| 01:02.51 | Aiiane | well Thrae, iunno if it'll solve the CTDs yet |
| 01:03.01 | Aiiane | but im pretty sure the new driver gives me at least 10 more fps in altdorf |
| 01:04.10 | Thrae | Aiiane: Yeah, after a reboot when I was having ~30 FPS, I jumped way up in FPS beyond what I normally had. |
| 01:04.56 | Thrae | Next a good test would be Fullscreen vs Windowed, for different memory considerations. Sometimes I have it on Windowed by accident (they're at the same resolution) and it didn't seem to help before updating the drivers, but who knows. |
| 01:08.21 | Aiiane | I run in windowed normally, thrae ;) |
| 01:09.02 | Aiiane | trying to run fullscreen with dual monitors doesn't work that well |
| 01:09.15 | NigelTufnel | ya seriously |
| 01:27.05 | thanners | 'ello all. |
| 01:27.18 | NigelTufnel | hello |
| 01:27.43 | thanners | how's things, today? |
| 01:28.13 | NigelTufnel | good, trying to enjoy whats left of the weekend before a hellish week |
| 01:28.20 | thanners | heh |
| 01:28.27 | thanners | I just got up, got ready for work, and left. |
| 01:28.38 | thanners | and then realised that I feel way too crap, turned around, and came home. |
| 01:28.51 | NigelTufnel | sucky |
| 01:28.57 | thanners | went to sleep feeling great! |
| 01:29.05 | thanners | and woke up feeling.. decidedly not. |
| 01:29.55 | NigelTufnel | ya I know that game |
| 01:30.00 | thanners | You're the maintainer of ChattyCathy? |
| 01:30.02 | NigelTufnel | the suprise is the worst part |
| 01:30.04 | NigelTufnel | ya |
| 01:30.20 | thanners | cool. looks handy; haven't tried it yet, but will give it a go |
| 01:30.26 | NigelTufnel | thanks |
| 01:30.48 | NigelTufnel | ya, its nice, it was the 1st thing that kinda drove me crazy about wow years ago, and war as well |
| 01:31.03 | NigelTufnel | I love a clean chat window |
| 01:31.20 | thanners | aye, been trying to get one; the other mods I've used seem to do.. odd things. |
| 01:31.41 | NigelTufnel | ya, for some reason I didnt even see what chat mods were out there before I essentially finished 1.0 |
| 01:31.56 | NigelTufnel | kinda dumb becuase for all I knew there coulda been a perfect one already lol |
| 01:32.33 | NigelTufnel | but once I took a look, I was really glad I made it the way I did |
| 01:33.02 | thanners | aye. |
| 01:33.27 | thanners | well.. since I'm not at work.. I might as well reboot into windows. :P |
| 01:33.43 | NigelTufnel | haha ya |
| 01:39.52 | Aiiane | hm, nop. didn't fully fix it, just got a CTD |
| 01:42.23 | NigelTufnel | lame |
| 02:13.24 | thanners|reboot | NigelTufnel: ChattyCathy works nicely for what I'm after. |
| 02:15.34 | NigelTufnel | nice |
| 02:15.55 | NigelTufnel | I plan on looking more into tab configuration, but being that I dont really use tabs myself its a bit harder to get that motivation |
| 02:16.03 | NigelTufnel | but hopefully soon I will allow more to be done with them |
| 02:18.20 | Branderic | the name chatty cathy reminds me of bill orielly :[ |
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| 02:22.56 | NigelTufnel | haha |
| 02:23.23 | NigelTufnel | Ya chattycathy was basically just a name I typed on a whim and realized that I would never have to heart to not use it |
| 02:23.35 | NigelTufnel | the heart* |
| 02:26.45 | NigelTufnel | is there a way to easily get object id's of things around you, or do they have to be targets at some point in order to get an object id |
| 02:32.08 | Repo | 10nrarity: 03Nemes 041.8-release * r58 : Add: ClosetGoblin, CharactersViewer, Inspect Player |
| 02:32.09 | Repo | Fix: Issues with Trophies on first load UI |
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| 02:59.26 | Thrae | Aiiane: So far, I think I'm getting more "stuttering" in huge battles (Halloween PQ), but it's hard to tell since my FPS is higher now. I always thought the "stuttering" might have something to do with the interface itself. |
| 03:00.19 | Thrae | Aiiane: I use RivaTuner with the StatisticsServer turned on (for OSD hooks), and I don't see my FPS dropping or CPU usage jumping up. Very weird to me. |
| 03:05.10 | Aiiane | what addons are you running? |
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| 03:25.16 | Aiiane | sigh... ctd again |
| 03:32.35 | art3mis | aii: reinstall dx after you install the drivers |
| 03:32.44 | art3mis | thats usually a fix for me but im an ati kid ;) |
| 03:33.10 | Aiiane | considering that it was CTDing for me before I installed the drivers too, art3mis, I doubt that's it |
| 03:33.35 | art3mis | ctd? |
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| 03:56.23 | Aiiane | crash to desktop, art3mis |
| 04:02.53 | Daegalus | CTD Issues aiiane? |
| 04:03.05 | Aiiane | same as always |
| 04:03.56 | Daegalus | did you do that Nvidia settings sthing on the forums? |
| 04:07.12 | `Zypher | Aiiane: what driver ver? |
| 04:08.35 | `Zypher | ~poke Aiiane |
| 04:08.35 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Aiiane, pokes Aiiane repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:10.47 | Aiiane | `Zypher: was doing it with 178, I just switched to 180 to see if they worked any better |
| 04:10.57 | `Zypher | ah |
| 04:11.08 | `Zypher | what are the timings on your ram? |
| 04:11.08 | Aiiane | better fps with 180 but still getting CTDs |
| 04:11.57 | `Zypher | ^^? |
| 04:11.59 | Aiiane | 5-5-5-15 |
| 04:12.34 | Aiiane | dunno why ram timings would affect just WAR though |
| 04:12.42 | `Zypher | well |
| 04:13.00 | `Zypher | I had increased the voltage on mine to get to 4-3-3-12 |
| 04:13.10 | `Zypher | and it wasn't unstable for any other game |
| 04:13.15 | `Zypher | but war would crash like no other |
| 04:15.40 | `Zypher | so any news on external textures? |
| 04:19.55 | `Zypher | ~whack Aiiane |
| 04:19.56 | purl | ACTION whacks Aiiane upside the head. |
| 04:27.14 | `Zypher | hrmmm |
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| 04:55.48 | Repo | 10scourgeaid: 03shyndarkly 04v1.0.3 * r6 : Fix for abilities resetting after exiting a scenario |
| 05:15.50 | `Zypher | why can't external textures work? |
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| 06:15.41 | Aiiane | because life hates you, `Zypher |
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| 06:34.31 | Thunder_Child | agreed Aiiane |
| 06:49.00 | Aiiane | so currently on my server |
| 06:49.09 | Aiiane | every single one of the available t4 BOs belong to order |
| 06:49.20 | Aiiane | most of the keeps, too |
| 06:49.31 | Aiiane | take that, realm population balance! |
| 06:49.39 | PenguinOfDoom | What server is that? |
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| 06:56.05 | Thunder_Child | Sylvania i think PenguinOfDoom |
| 06:59.54 | skoli_aw | I really love to see somekind of program where I can test my xml-files for making windows. Somekind of preview program, because can't be in the game with every computer |
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| 07:58.50 | Jarika | morning |
| 08:04.41 | skoli_aw | Morning |
| 08:16.25 | Daegalus | ive been getting a shitload of ctds today |
| 08:25.37 | Repo | 10objtracker: 03Aiiane 07master * 1.0 / (4 files in 1 directory): [new, +0 commits] |
| 08:25.38 | Repo | 10objtracker: 03Aiiane 041.0 * 862eea4 /: [new tag, +1 commits] Initial commit version 1.0 |
| 08:25.46 | Aiiane | Daegalus: me too |
| 08:26.22 | Daegalus | was there a patch or anything today/ |
| 08:29.17 | Aiiane | not that I know of |
| 08:39.17 | Aiiane | btw |
| 08:39.21 | Aiiane | some people need to try out objtracker |
| 08:39.26 | Aiiane | and find bugs for me :P |
| 08:41.14 | skoli_aw | How I can easily make an new window that works like chat window, but just take text from my addon? And not those supid npc spams |
| 08:44.03 | Aiiane | um. |
| 08:44.14 | Aiiane | you could create a new text log |
| 08:44.31 | Aiiane | and set the chat window to display your text log instead of the default one |
| 08:44.40 | Aiiane | and then copy things over from the default one to your new one |
| 08:44.45 | Aiiane | but don't copy the things you don't want |
| 08:46.20 | skoli_aw | A new text log? |
| 08:52.56 | Aiiane | TextLogCreate() and other TextLog functions |
| 08:53.12 | Aiiane | they're not really completely documented yet, so I'd suggest at looking at how the default UI uses them |
| 08:55.13 | Daegalus | Aiiane: ill test out Objtracker for you tomorrow |
| 08:57.01 | skoli_aw | Aiiane: Okay, thanks for the info. I'll come back to this problem when it's documented or I have more time for it when at home :) |
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| 09:04.18 | Repo | Fixed: Typo in Bagmode Slotmarker |
| 09:04.24 | Repo | Fixed: Forgot to remove a if condition in test mode. |
| 09:10.19 | Aiiane | work in the morning, so g'nite~ |
| 09:10.36 | skoli_aw | nn |
| 09:21.58 | Jarika | I have a problem here with a Statusbar. its set to size y=14 and resizeheight to false in the layout editor. But when I try to adjust the width there, it gets automatically increased to 20 height, which then shows an ugly shadow below it. any idea why? |
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| 13:16.51 | CowBook | omg the new squared gui config makes life so much better |
| 13:17.07 | CowBook | not just war but LIFE |
| 13:17.10 | CowBook | i'm a new man! |
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| 15:05.33 | Felyza | I made the frame movable, and it saves it settings, but for some reason, people keep asking for layout editor. |
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| 15:21.20 | Werelds | it's cuz they hate you Felyza |
| 15:21.21 | Werelds | ^_^ |
| 15:23.16 | Felyza | I am getting so much flak that my addon isn't jumping through 101 hoops it almost isn't funny. |
| 15:24.01 | Felyza | Almost |
| 15:26.29 | Felyza | Now, if anyone can tell me how to pull localized server strings from an En-US server, I can make the localization requests come to fruition |
| 15:32.06 | CowBook | i dunno, i just write my addons for me, if someone suggests a feature that really should be in there, i'll add it |
| 15:36.07 | Jarika | well registering to the layout editor isn't really that hard, but hey its your addon |
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| 15:37.30 | Jarika | curse is so slow today again... uploaded something 5 hours ago, still not on curse |
| 15:39.32 | Felyza | Jarika, if I register with layout editor, then making the window movable doesn't quite work, and moving the window causes issues with anchors if they then move it with the layout editor. |
| 15:39.59 | Felyza | Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done. |
| 15:40.08 | talvinen | Felyza : Wat are you trying to do? |
| 15:40.15 | Jarika | hmm |
| 15:40.29 | Jarika | yeah true, if you do layouteditor then you shouldn't make it moveable |
| 15:40.38 | Jarika | what addon are we talking about anyway? |
| 15:40.42 | Felyza | Autobar |
| 15:40.45 | Jarika | hmm |
| 15:41.00 | Jarika | haven't checked that yet. can you lock it too? |
| 15:41.20 | Felyza | Its its own window, and its completely movable, I plan to add a lock feature, but people think it needs layout editor. |
| 15:41.48 | Jarika | perhaps people rather want to move it with the layout editor, because in the heat of the battle they accidently move it around when they click on it? |
| 15:42.21 | Jarika | but if you add a lock feature, i guess that solved |
| 15:42.29 | Felyza | The box is about 20 pixels wide, and the height of the buttons, I made it really small on purpose ;) |
| 15:42.42 | Felyza | And its the only way to move it |
| 15:42.54 | Jarika | ah ok, thought you can move it with the entire window |
| 15:42.59 | Felyza | Nope |
| 15:43.06 | Jarika | as i said haven't checked it yet |
| 15:43.41 | Felyza | Working on figuring out how to make all the buttons with CreateWindowFromTemplate so I can reduce the size of the xml files now. Sigh. |
| 15:43.57 | Jarika | But well there's always that time when you accidently click exactly these 20 pixels and the window ends up god knows where :) But I agree under these circumstances its not really necessary |
| 15:44.50 | talvinen | any non-shaman healer class here? |
| 15:45.51 | Jarika | I had an archmage once, that helps? |
| 15:46.05 | Daegalus | DoK reporting in? |
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| 15:46.19 | Felyza | Runepriest on one toon |
| 15:46.41 | Felyza | Runepriest, bright wizard, magus, witch elf. =) |
| 15:47.26 | Jarika | you're logged into your BW atm? |
| 15:47.26 | talvinen | whee :) okay |
| 15:47.37 | talvinen | I need the abilityIds of your shield buffs |
| 15:47.53 | talvinen | just shield yourself and do a /script d(GetBuffs(6)) |
| 15:48.02 | talvinen | and look up the abilityId in the /debug-Window |
| 15:48.03 | Felyza | talv, sec, I got something for you |
| 15:48.44 | Daegalus | Talv, i got like 3 different shiled buffs :P |
| 15:48.45 | Jarika | Oh, for that... sorry, archmage account is closed |
| 15:48.48 | Daegalus | one is proc based |
| 15:49.14 | talvinen | 3? Oh well |
| 15:49.15 | Daegalus | but i assume you got Divine Protection covered |
| 15:49.25 | Daegalus | so Ill do Soul Shielding and Khaine's Bounty |
| 15:49.32 | talvinen | Soul Shielding is all I need |
| 15:49.53 | talvinen | that's the group shield, isnt it? |
| 15:50.00 | Felyza | talvinen, go into UserSettings.xml, and make sure logging is enabled (its under performance) |
| 15:50.15 | Felyza | You have to change it when not in game |
| 15:50.28 | Felyza | then open the game, go into game, and do this.... |
| 15:50.36 | Felyza | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.38 | Daegalus | yup, and khaine's bounty is the self shield that procs of heal crits. Some doks might ask you for it, so might aswell add it, even in an optional way |
| 15:51.07 | Felyza | After it runs (about 10 seconds), open the log folder, and open A.log =) |
| 15:51.24 | talvinen | Felyza: What exactly does it do? O_o |
| 15:51.33 | talvinen | Ah, I see |
| 15:51.39 | Felyza | Every ability from 1 to 10k, from level 1 to level 40, outputs ability ID, level, description |
| 15:52.09 | talvinen | however, I do not need the abilityIds of the spells themselves - they can be found at wardb |
| 15:52.15 | talvinen | the buffs granted have different ids |
| 15:52.42 | Felyza | and if you know what the buffs description is, you have the text file to look them up |
| 15:53.07 | talvinen | this also covers all the buffs in the game? |
| 15:53.12 | talvinen | I'll try it out |
| 15:53.15 | Felyza | afaik |
| 15:53.31 | Felyza | The text file is about 10Mb |
| 15:53.42 | Felyza | I know potions fall in the 7k's |
| 15:54.00 | Daegalus | talvinen: Soul Shielding: 9574, Khaine's Bounty: 3427 |
| 15:54.07 | talvinen | thank you |
| 15:54.16 | Felyza | sec, opening log to see what those are at those numbers |
| 15:54.36 | Felyza | A:3427 L:1 D: |
| 15:54.40 | Daegalus | you are lucky im dark Rights spec |
| 15:54.50 | Felyza | A:9574 L:1 D:Everyone in your group becomes surrounded by a magical barrier for 10 seconds, which will absorb up to 105 damage for each person. |
| 15:54.57 | talvinen | *nod* |
| 15:55.00 | talvinen | thats the buff |
| 15:55.23 | talvinen | unfortunatly, Khaine's Bounty has no description set |
| 15:55.32 | Daegalus | and talv, just remember, Shields stack. |
| 15:55.55 | Daegalus | as in, one shield needs to be burned through, before the one before it gets burned through |
| 15:56.55 | talvinen | it's not possible for me to know when a shield is broken before time other than targetting the person with the buff (for people outside my group) |
| 15:57.26 | Daegalus | welli know, im refering to the ones that are applied to you :P |
| 15:57.48 | talvinen | PLAYER_EFFECTS_UPDATED will take care of that :) |
| 15:58.22 | Daegalus | ok, just thought id inform, since ever since i knew shields can stack ive been using htem quite effectively |
| 15:59.08 | talvinen | when I was playing my DoK, Khaine's Bounty was nearly permanently active |
| 15:59.26 | talvinen | the very best defense you have, just keep spamming that hots :) |
| 15:59.52 | Daegalus | hehe yup, even though its only 425 dmg at lv 40 |
| 15:59.57 | Daegalus | i mean 32 |
| 16:00.21 | Daegalus | combined with sould shielding and divine protection: 2k+ dmg protection |
| 16:00.37 | talvinen | as long as it keeps refreshing, people have a hard time to burst through your armor, hots and shield(s) |
| 16:00.49 | Daegalus | oh ya, that I know for sure. |
| 16:01.04 | Daegalus | in scenerios and RVR i play with healing gear and my massive amounts of heals |
| 16:02.04 | Daegalus | i love it when we are taking heavy AoE damage, and almost dead, i pop my shields, and spam my aoes, whole team full health |
| 16:02.58 | Daegalus | including those not in my party |
| 16:03.23 | talvinen | yet the ae-heal of the WP is better *sigh* |
| 16:03.50 | Daegalus | ya. yesterday i did a scenerio. did 160k healing, a WP 1 level lower than me, 280k |
| 16:04.39 | Daegalus | well gtg to class, cya guys later |
| 16:05.05 | talvinen | hf :) |
| 16:06.32 | talvinen | Felyza: Got the log, but in many cases (as some of the buffs I am looking for) there is no description, making them undistinguishable :/ |
| 16:06.45 | Felyza | Well, it was an attempt |
| 16:08.16 | talvinen | maybe there is a function that returns information about buffs.. |
| 16:08.55 | talvinen | I'm puzzled where GetBuffs() comes from. Squared and DaocBuff both uses it, but it isnt covered in http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Full_list |
| 16:09.44 | Felyza | talvinen, there's alot of undocumented/unknown functions, check api docuementing status, its a file generated by the game with a list of functions |
| 16:10.44 | talvinen | I see |
| 16:11.08 | Felyza | i found it via another undocumented function that was in an isInternal call =) |
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| 16:14.26 | Repo | 10trakario: 03chavo_one 07master * ebedf74 / (8 files in 2 directories): [new, +1 commit] Committer: Fayce <chavo_one@.yahoo.com> |
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| 16:23.10 | `Zypher | rawr! |
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| 16:30.53 | talvinen | wtf |
| 16:30.56 | talvinen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.56 | talvinen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.56 | talvinen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.59 | talvinen | guess what? ^^ |
| 16:35.49 | `Zypher | Aiiane: did they make changes to PLAYER_TARGET_UPDATED? |
| 16:43.23 | Jarika | First release of "Horizontal Mechanic Bar" available here: http://war.mmoui.com/downloads/info22-HorizontalMechanicBar.html :) |
| 16:43.46 | Jarika | I need to hire someone to find cooler names for my addons... |
| 16:44.00 | Felyza | Jarika, you should release on curse as well |
| 16:44.15 | Jarika | i know |
| 16:44.33 | Jarika | its waiting to be aproved for the last 6 hours there ;) mmoui was faster, so i post their link ;) |
| 16:44.53 | Felyza | Your name immediately makes me think "engineer" |
| 16:44.59 | talvinen | anyone experienced with OnRButtonUp() or similar event handlers? |
| 16:45.13 | Jarika | more or less, whats your question? |
| 16:45.14 | Felyza | talvinen, sort of, whatcha need |
| 16:45.37 | talvinen | the frame that fired the event |
| 16:45.57 | Felyza | SystemData.MouseOverWindow.name |
| 16:46.03 | talvinen | from "borrowed" code, it seems like local buffFrame = FrameManager:GetActiveWindow () should do the trick, but buffFrame always turns out to be nil |
| 16:47.04 | talvinen | ah, nice one, thanks |
| 16:47.19 | Jarika | I'd use the mouseoverwindo that felyza posted, worked for me at least when i needed something |
| 16:48.04 | Felyza | I use it all the time =) |
| 16:49.02 | Felyza | here's line 1 of my button click events... if ButtonGetDisabledFlag(SystemData.MouseOverWindow.name) then return end |
| 16:49.47 | talvinen | yeah, it works :) |
| 16:50.12 | Felyza | welcome |
| 16:51.00 | Felyza | now, i need an up and down arrow image, prefer small, any ideas where to find one? |
| 16:51.36 | Felyza | omg duh, i can steal from scroll bar end caps! |
| 16:53.19 | Jarika | hehe |
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| 17:03.13 | Daegalus | Boo |
| 17:04.25 | Jarika | eeeek |
| 17:04.56 | Jarika | YOu updated junkdump didn't you? |
| 17:05.07 | Daegalus | So, we all know who plays a shaman here |
| 17:05.18 | Daegalus | Yes i did, why? |
| 17:05.23 | Jarika | seems to work again |
| 17:05.39 | Daegalus | Lol, 1.0.3? |
| 17:06.01 | Jarika | just with one small exception: Testmode still seems ignore the "ignore Rarity for profession" setting |
| 17:06.03 | skoli | darn my game just instant crash when I press Play on login screen :f |
| 17:06.27 | talvinen | Please delete your interface, wtf and wtb folder.. |
| 17:06.29 | Daegalus | Jarika, fixed that in 1.0.3 |
| 17:07.38 | Jarika | ah yes, still 1.0.2, don't have any junk items so can't test now anyway |
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| 17:08.59 | Felyza | Daegalus, you need to make a check to see if they updated already, because the popup EVERY time I start the game was annoying (until I removed it) |
| 17:09.22 | skoli | talvinen: deleted the interface folder. Couldn't find wtf and wtb, aren't those WoW folders? :D |
| 17:09.34 | skoli | still crashes when loading |
| 17:10.06 | Daegalus_ | Oh, i thought i did?. Therw is a setting thats saved per character for that, Felyza |
| 17:10.16 | talvinen | skoli: You did? O_o |
| 17:10.30 | Felyza | Its was popping up every time for me, so I removed it |
| 17:10.51 | skoli | user/interface folder, where the settings are |
| 17:10.57 | talvinen | skoli: Ahm, try to delete (or rename) the user folder as well |
| 17:11.13 | talvinen | not just user/interface, maybe the problem is with UserSettings.xml |
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| 17:12.14 | Daegalus_ | Unless you ctd every time, it should save. Check your JunkDumpSettings[server][char].FirstRun variable, Felyza |
| 17:12.34 | Jarika | saved for me, I think I'd have noticed that |
| 17:12.36 | skoli | talvinen, still crashed |
| 17:12.47 | skoli | maybe some addon which was updated do this |
| 17:12.55 | Felyza | I generally close the game by my hourly ctd |
| 17:13.18 | talvinen | skoli: try to run a "check all files" with the patcher |
| 17:14.31 | Daegalus_ | Well if it ctds, it wont save obviously, so it has to recreate all your settings every time. Do a login and reload ui or something to get it to save, felyza |
| 17:14.41 | Felyza | Daegalus, I reloadui alot |
| 17:15.00 | Felyza | So reloadui's been done, just not a normal close |
| 17:15.16 | Aiiane | if anyone had an addon/file in queue is should be approved now. |
| 17:15.29 | Daegalus_ | Weird. Usually reloadui saves |
| 17:15.43 | Felyza | sigh |
| 17:15.45 | Aiiane | Felyza: /reloadui saves SavedVariables.lua but not ModSettings.xml |
| 17:16.00 | Felyza | nod. |
| 17:16.16 | CowBook | Aiiane: the GUI config for quared is fantastic, thanks! |
| 17:16.21 | Aiiane | yw |
| 17:17.04 | Daegalus_ | Hmm, well, Felyza, ill look into making a better popup or remove it next version. |
| 17:17.48 | Felyza | Sigh, I need to figure out how to get the graphics from shared_01 |
| 17:19.06 | skoli | talvinen: The cause to crash really was an addon.. and my own one :d. Now, I just need to find the reason :D |
| 17:20.07 | Daegalus_ | Skoli, do you have hooks in your addon? |
| 17:20.51 | Aiiane | food time, back in a bit |
| 17:21.35 | skoli | Daegalus_: I have registered an event SystemData.Events.CHAT_TEXT_ARRIVED |
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| 17:24.05 | Daegalus_ | Hmm, i just remember hooks or events unloading within the function they are pointing to causes it. Happened to a lot if peopke after 1.0.1 |
| 17:26.10 | Daegalus | Brb |
| 17:39.34 | Noctys | Looking for some help with LibSlash. I just want to have one slash command that does everything and then takes inputs. I also want that if they leave it blank and it runs the help script. I can get it to run based on inputs, but when they leave it blank it does nothing. Any ideas? |
| 17:40.30 | `Zypher | ummm |
| 17:40.57 | `Zypher | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/yabber/ |
| 17:40.59 | `Zypher | look at that |
| 17:46.22 | Noctys | I had it as: if (command == nil or command == "help") then |
| 17:46.23 | Noctys | changed to: if (not command or command == "help") then |
| 17:46.32 | Noctys | Isn't that the same thing though? |
| 17:46.53 | CowBook | no quite |
| 17:47.03 | CowBook | not command == false as well |
| 17:47.28 | CowBook | i'm not sure if command == nil returns true if command = false |
| 17:48.13 | CowBook | lua> test |
| 17:48.13 | lua_bot | CowBook: nil |
| 17:48.29 | CowBook | lua> a = nil; print a == nil; |
| 17:48.29 | lua_bot | CowBook: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'a' |
| 17:48.42 | CowBook | lua> a = nil; if (a == nil) then print 1; end |
| 17:48.43 | lua_bot | CowBook: luabot:1: '=' expected near '1' |
| 17:48.50 | CowBook | lua> a = nil; if (a == nil) then print "1" end |
| 17:48.51 | lua_bot | CowBook: 1 |
| 17:48.51 | `Zypher | lua> txt = "LOL", if(txt ~= nil) then print(txt) end |
| 17:48.51 | lua_bot | `Zypher: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'if' |
| 17:48.59 | `Zypher | lua> txt = "LOL"; if(txt ~= nil) then print(txt) end |
| 17:49.00 | lua_bot | `Zypher: LOL |
| 17:49.03 | `Zypher | rofl |
| 17:49.03 | CowBook | lua> a = false; if (a == nil) then print "1" end |
| 17:49.03 | lua_bot | CowBook: No output |
| 17:49.13 | Noctys | I trying to figure it out in reguards to LibSlash. If no argument is passed then LibSlash may be passing false. That could be the issue. |
| 17:50.11 | Noctys | Just figured out a better way to do it. |
| 17:50.26 | Noctys | Use the help command as the last else statement. |
| 17:50.43 | Noctys | If it doesn't get an agument it likes then return the help command. |
| 17:52.13 | `Zypher | lawl |
| 17:52.14 | `Zypher | orly |
| 17:52.32 | `Zypher | someone didn't look at yabber. |
| 17:52.50 | CowBook | Noctys: i usually do that, make the default command be usage instructions |
| 17:53.33 | Noctys | Don't know why I didn't think of that before. I've done that in the past... Just not thinking dynamicly enough I guess. |
| 17:55.06 | CowBook | i also always set version in a saved variable |
| 17:55.30 | Noctys | why? |
| 17:55.42 | CowBook | and output usage instructions at load if there is no saved variable set, or if the saved variable version is older than the new version and i changed the usage |
| 17:55.58 | CowBook | in case the user notices |
| 17:56.13 | `Zypher | so |
| 17:56.19 | Noctys | That works... Good idea. |
| 17:56.19 | `Zypher | Tabula Rasa added a first person mode |
| 17:56.35 | CowBook | or in case i have to automatically restructure the saved data or something i can test it at load and convert it over |
| 17:57.02 | CowBook | if i ever add per-user settings into focus, it will be easy to convert it over |
| 18:01.18 | Noctys | I get so confused with the diffrent names in here, who is working on Moth (Astika) ??? |
| 18:02.56 | Aii | that's tronned. |
| 18:03.25 | Aii | `Zypher: so? that doesn't actually change TR any |
| 18:06.35 | Felyza | If I set anchors in lua, I don't need them in xml, right? |
| 18:07.39 | Aii | correct. |
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| 18:11.03 | skoli | damn, my button now got highlighted when I mouseover it, but I can't even press it. how do I find a reason why it's not working nomore? :D |
| 18:15.11 | `Zypher | Aii: naw I just thought it was neat |
| 18:15.18 | `Zypher | don't be a hater :( |
| 18:15.48 | `Zypher | and it does change it, just slitely :P |
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| 18:18.59 | Daegalus | mibbit mibbit |
| 18:21.09 | Daegalus | kinky |
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| 18:21.25 | Daegalus | ok felyza, officially removed the pesky warning message ;) |
| 18:21.29 | Felyza | Ever go frog spearing? Quite fun. |
| 18:21.42 | Daegalus | Nope |
| 18:21.50 | Daegalus | and ive only eaten frog legs only once |
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| 18:23.23 | Daegalus | bah, i dont even know where to begin to localize my app. So many strings with stuff inside them >_> |
| 18:23.40 | talvinen | localization is overrated |
| 18:24.26 | talvinen | what function is called when you right-click the friendly target window? |
| 18:24.48 | Aii | one would assume some OnRButtonUp or OnRButtonDown function |
| 18:24.50 | Daegalus | actually my app is mostly localized, in the sense that is should support wstrings properly for all input and items |
| 18:25.13 | Daegalus | OH, i need to localize the freaking mount code |
| 18:25.13 | Aii | localization usually implies the interface is available in multiple languages, Daegalus |
| 18:25.15 | Felyza | All of mine support full localization.... for En-US |
| 18:25.29 | Daegalus | Aii: i know, its what im intending to do |
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| 18:25.54 | Felyza | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.08 | Felyza | I need server strings in other languages. |
| 18:26.11 | Daegalus | but the first step is i need to get Mount names for all suported languages |
| 18:26.16 | talvinen | Aii: I had that idea, but I can't figure out where it is fired. Is there a function to get the Event Handlers of a Frame? |
| 18:26.30 | Felyza | talvinen, look in the xml file |
| 18:26.50 | Felyza | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.07 | talvinen | actually I'm a bit lazy to extract the default interface files *cough* |
| 18:27.33 | Felyza | then close down irc, your text editor, fire up the curse client and the game, and wait for someone else to do what you're thinking of doing |
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| 18:28.13 | Daegalus | Step 1: Google "EasyMYP", Step 2: Stop being lazy, Step 3: ????, Step 4: PROFIT! |
| 18:28.31 | Aii | you can leave out step 1 there |
| 18:28.38 | Jarika | Is there a way to create optional dependencies? So the addon gets loaded after addon X, if addon X exists, but still loads if X doesn't ? |
| 18:28.42 | Aii | steps 2-4 hold true pretty much anywhere |
| 18:28.46 | Felyza | Jarika, no |
| 18:28.48 | Aii | Jarika: no |
| 18:29.15 | shockbeta|work | Delayed init? |
| 18:29.18 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 18:29.36 | Jarika | yeah, I guess I'll have to do it like that |
| 18:29.40 | Felyza | Jarika, if there's something you want to do AFTER intialize, you can do "if SomeMod then" (look for "SomeMod = {}" at the start of their lua file) |
| 18:29.41 | talvinen | okay okay, got it *sigh* just hoped there would be an easier solution |
| 18:30.24 | Felyza | you can register RELOADUI_INTERFACE and ENTER_WORLD for delayed init |
| 18:30.38 | Jarika | I know how to check if the mod exists, but I want my mod to react differently during initialisation depending if another mod exists or not. And its not good if it acts like it doesn't, just because it happens to load earlier |
| 18:30.39 | `Zypher | http://www.globalagendagame.com |
| 18:30.42 | `Zypher | neat! |
| 18:30.46 | Felyza | err, RELOAD_INTERFACE |
| 18:31.07 | Jarika | ach, thats an idea, i'll try that |
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| 18:31.16 | Jarika | thanks |
| 18:31.24 | Felyza | Jarika, if you want an example, check out apidebugger |
| 18:31.45 | Jarika | No I think I'll manage it, but thanks |
| 18:31.47 | Daegalus | `Zypher: I doubt MMOFPS will succeed anytime soon. |
| 18:32.10 | Aii | we'll see how huxley shapes up |
| 18:32.26 | Daegalus | SWEEEEEEEEET! BROKEN LAPTOPS! *goes away to fix them* |
| 18:32.52 | sysrage | yay I got an Aiiane reply to my post :P |
| 18:33.16 | `Zypher | Aii: huxley would require nhn to publish some fucking us information |
| 18:33.41 | sysrage | I really don't know why I keep replying to that thread. I guess I'm just amazed that the majority of replies on it have actually been very civil. not the typical 'mythic fix your crap or i'm leaving qqqq' |
| 18:33.59 | Daegalus | what thread |
| 18:34.12 | sysrage | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161200 |
| 18:35.26 | Daegalus | Has anyone in that thread posted about the possible cause of CTDs being Windows force closing an app because its using too much memory? |
| 18:35.35 | NigelTufnel | yup, aiiane was testing some ideas a good bit of yesterday I remember |
| 18:36.17 | sysrage | I've watched my memory usage (and so has Aiiane) and it really doesn't seem to climb |
| 18:36.57 | Felyza | My memory usage doesn't increase unless I do something REALLY stupid in a script |
| 18:37.32 | Felyza | It hovers around 1.2Gb steady |
| 18:37.35 | Daegalus | i dunno, for me, its always memory based. i started at 1.3gigs, go to 1.6, and then pretty much on queue, my whole computer is sluggish, game slows down and stutters, and I pretty much can tell within 2-3 minutes of a CTD, that I am going to CTD. and Then on queue, I CTD. |
| 18:39.25 | Felyza | When I enter certain areas, like Altdorf, if I 'see' certain items (the top of the bright wizard college) I ctd. |
| 18:39.53 | Daegalus | I think in general the memory allocation and deallocation code in WAR is a bit messy |
| 18:40.35 | Felyza | I've learned the places I can't go, or have to set view distance to minimum, or stare at the ground, but it can be on min distance with minimum drawn, and I hit those places, I ctd |
| 18:41.18 | NigelTufnel | Felyza, do you have an 8800 series vid card? |
| 18:41.32 | Felyza | No, ATI HD4870 |
| 18:41.45 | NigelTufnel | gotcha |
| 18:42.01 | Daegalus | hmm, my friend has a 4850, and he stopped CTDing altogether |
| 18:42.13 | Daegalus | brand new comp |
| 18:42.17 | Daegalus | all new and fresh install |
| 18:42.23 | Felyza | I've bugged the places it happens, as its static to those places. |
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| 18:42.45 | NigelTufnel | interesting felyza, I havent noticed specific locations doing it to me |
| 18:42.54 | NigelTufnel | but I mean, it could be completely different issues really |
| 18:43.03 | Felyza | likely |
| 18:43.17 | Jarika | when you CTD, thats usually happens when you reloadui? |
| 18:43.20 | Felyza | But yeah, most places so far that cause this are in Order side |
| 18:43.37 | Daegalus | usually my CTDs happen if i start moving from standing still while panning my camera |
| 18:43.41 | Werelds | actually Aii and `Zypher, the Korean beta of Huxley was pretty enjoyable when i played it |
| 18:43.59 | Daegalus | which probably means, loading things into memory. |
| 18:44.06 | Felyza | My guild is in the process from moving from Hochland-Destruction to Badlands-Order, and its bad, so so many places I can't go, or have to stare at the ground |
| 18:44.06 | Werelds | just needs to get a proper beta so i can get a chance to do group stuff :p |
| 18:45.05 | Felyza | Now zoning... zoning into altdorf OR inevitable city cause a crash about 50% |
| 18:45.33 | Daegalus | hmm, might be an ATI issue then |
| 18:45.40 | Daegalus | ive never CTDed in a city |
| 18:45.42 | Daegalus | ever. |
| 18:45.59 | Werelds | my game only crashed once when i played it |
| 18:46.07 | Werelds | and that was cuz i did enable_trace 1 |
| 18:46.08 | Werelds | :P |
| 18:46.20 | NigelTufnel | hmmm ya I dont think I actually have ctd'ed in a city either |
| 18:46.40 | Werelds | is it only ati users having that prob? |
| 18:46.50 | Daegalus | nope, everyone has CTD problems |
| 18:46.50 | Werelds | cuz quite frankly, it might very well be a ccc issue |
| 18:46.52 | NigelTufnel | my 8800gt is killing me |
| 18:47.02 | Daegalus | CCC issue? |
| 18:47.10 | Felyza | I don't use CCC |
| 18:47.11 | Werelds | catalyst control center |
| 18:47.30 | Werelds | it caused me major issues on my htpc downstairs |
| 18:47.30 | Felyza | Drivers + Ati tray toos |
| 18:47.36 | Werelds | and that's not even gaming |
| 18:47.41 | Felyza | tools |
| 18:47.48 | sysrage | I never crash in city either. where i crash is completely random |
| 18:47.54 | NigelTufnel | ya |
| 18:48.08 | Werelds | if it's random, it's most likely your hardware causing it |
| 18:48.09 | shockbeta|work | I crash at weird times. I crashed in IC the otehr night, I ran by the dog thing that was spawned... CTD, logged back in and I had died. I think it's a problem with some effects, they mess up or don' tplay nice and crash the game |
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| 18:48.13 | Daegalus | oh, well those that have linux, try palying on Wine 1.1.7. I think that Wine doesn't CTD. I played from 7am in the morning to 9pm at night, and it didnt ctd once.... |
| 18:48.29 | sysrage | enable_trace may be what i'm looking for. will that give a dump when crashing? |
| 18:48.32 | NigelTufnel | no shit? |
| 18:48.52 | Werelds | no sysrage |
| 18:48.55 | Daegalus | Takes a few hacky things to get it to work in Wine, but god was it running like a beast. |
| 18:48.55 | Werelds | it'll break your game |
| 18:48.56 | Werelds | entirely |
| 18:48.57 | Werelds | :P |
| 18:48.58 | sysrage | oh. fun |
| 18:49.12 | NigelTufnel | Daegalus: is there a guide of any sort to get it on wine |
| 18:49.17 | sysrage | but ya, feel free to blame my hardware but i almost never crashed at release. since 1.02 i crash every hour on the hour. almost like clockwork |
| 18:49.21 | NigelTufnel | or just make it work on your own |
| 18:49.37 | Felyza | Daegalus, last I checked, it was HORRIBLY broken in the winehq database, might wanna update that |
| 18:49.53 | Daegalus | there is for 1.1.6, not updated for 1.1.7 |
| 18:50.02 | Daegalus | Fel: WineHQ DB hasnt been updated for a while |
| 18:50.28 | NigelTufnel | Daegalus: any tweaks in particular or just winging it per system? |
| 18:50.48 | Daegalus | jsut read the comments. You get 1.1.7 source, add a 1 line patch, and compile, install, then run nice -n20 DEBUG=-alll wine warpatch.bin |
| 18:50.55 | Daegalus | nope its pretty straight forward |
| 18:51.01 | Daegalus | you alsoneed to get DX9 from winetricks |
| 18:51.10 | Daegalus | and winhttp.dll into the wine system32 folder |
| 18:51.12 | Daegalus | and thats it |
| 18:51.15 | NigelTufnel | nice |
| 18:51.24 | NigelTufnel | Il have to give that a shot tonight/tomorrow |
| 18:51.45 | Daegalus | give me a sec, ill find the little tutorial i posted in the comments section on WineQ |
| 18:51.52 | NigelTufnel | sick |
| 18:53.58 | Aii | sysrage: it's likely a function of them attempting to optimize; a common "tradeoff" |
| 18:54.25 | Noctys | Aii: What does LibSlash pass if you leave the argument blank/empty? |
| 18:54.34 | Aii | Noctys: an empty string |
| 18:55.33 | Noctys | thanks |
| 18:55.37 | Aii | sysrage: and I don't mean that in a bad way, it happens often with graphical apps |
| 18:55.58 | Aii | it's sort of pawing around in the dark with what can be streamlined, and what will cause errors |
| 18:56.44 | sysrage | understandable. but would it not be possible to have the game provide an actual dump so they can more easily narrow those down? |
| 18:56.44 | Daegalus | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13139 <---- go there, press CTRL+F and look for "Got it working." the poster should be Yulian Kuncheff. The only difference, is instead of running plain "wine warpatch.bin" use "nice -n20 wineserver && WINEDEBUG="-all" wine warpatch.bin". Go to http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14608 post 30-37, and read about the model patch |
| 18:57.09 | Jarika | ok now the 3rd or 4th CTD while reloadui in a row, while logging in works fine... thats strange |
| 18:57.16 | NigelTufnel | Daegalus: thanks a ton, hopefuly I can get around to that soon and see if it fixes my problems |
| 18:57.54 | Daegalus | NigelTufnel: also read the very top comment on the AppDB page |
| 18:58.00 | Daegalus | i dunno if it works yet, but i tmight |
| 18:58.19 | NigelTufnel | aight, worth a shot =] |
| 18:59.46 | Daegalus | Screenshots of it on Linux: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asklepius/sets/72157608466583096/ |
| 19:01.43 | NigelTufnel | man, this would be awesome if it gets me back on linux alone, not to mention if it fixes my CTDs |
| 19:01.44 | Aii | sysrage: if the game's getting actually killed by the OS, might not be possible |
| 19:02.03 | sysrage | p.s. aiiane i love you for your completely rational and unemotional replies to smacktards :) |
| 19:02.27 | sysrage | which you probably feel i am, but that's fine by me :) |
| 19:03.13 | Jarika | Is an event fired when the Layout editor is done and chanced something? |
| 19:03.21 | knix | Daegalus: Areyou using vanilla wine? |
| 19:03.25 | knix | How well does it work? |
| 19:04.25 | NigelTufnel | Jakira, you can also hook the exit function of the layout editor |
| 19:04.29 | Aii | Jarika: not exactly. See Squared's code, there *is* a way to tell when the save the layout |
| 19:05.07 | Jarika | alright, i'll have a look, thanks |
| 19:05.19 | knix | http://packetpan.org/wshots/WoWScrnShot_102607_174522.jpg ahh, good 'ole WoW texture f-ups in wine |
| 19:05.49 | Daegalus | knix: well vanilla maybe not. You need to apply 1 mandatory source code patch to 1.1.7 and 1 optional one. then compile. The mandatory one is just adding 1 line, the optional is commenting out 6 lines. |
| 19:06.01 | knix | heh |
| 19:06.06 | knix | What do these patches solve? |
| 19:06.29 | Daegalus | the mandatory one solves the problem where there would be no NPC/PC models |
| 19:06.30 | knix | Oh you need 1.1.7? |
| 19:06.30 | Daegalus | period |
| 19:06.40 | Daegalus | and the optional improves performance |
| 19:06.46 | Daegalus | yes 1.1.17 |
| 19:06.47 | Daegalus | err 1.1.7 |
| 19:07.09 | Daegalus | and the patcher needs to be launched with some hackery |
| 19:07.33 | Daegalus | "nice -n20 wineserver && WINEDEBUG="-all" wine warpatch.bin" |
| 19:08.00 | Aii | I'm half-tempted to see if I could get WAR running inside of virtualbox :P |
| 19:08.10 | Daegalus | the instruction on WineHQ for 1.1.6 are outdated, read the comments for up to date stuff |
| 19:08.18 | Daegalus | Aii: i dont see why not |
| 19:08.26 | Daegalus | it will run like crap, but most likely will |
| 19:08.35 | knix | Aii: What're you running? |
| 19:08.51 | Aii | knix: system-wise, you mean? |
| 19:08.54 | knix | yea |
| 19:09.15 | Aii | e6600, max ram for xp32, 8800gt |
| 19:09.20 | knix | err, OS wise |
| 19:09.24 | Aii | xp32 currently |
| 19:09.31 | knix | Then f virtual box :P |
| 19:09.43 | Aii | hm? |
| 19:10.02 | knix | I'd use vmware or somethign with hardware accel |
| 19:10.22 | Aii | maybe |
| 19:10.44 | knix | I wonder if WAR would run on opensol |
| 19:11.21 | Felyza | Anyone know if there's a working gnome replacement for windows explod... explorer? |
| 19:11.38 | knix | gnome? windows explorer? |
| 19:12.05 | Felyza | A port of the x11/gtk + gnome as a complete shell replacement for explorer |
| 19:12.21 | Aii | litestep? |
| 19:12.25 | knix | This doesn't sound liek a very good idea |
| 19:12.25 | Aii | is probably as close as you'd get |
| 19:12.58 | knix | Last I checked win32 gtk was pretty slow |
| 19:13.24 | Aii | Felyza: Litestep is a replacement shell environment for windows |
| 19:14.08 | knix | Don't they claim it's faster than explorer? |
| 19:14.19 | Daegalus | Knix: why wouldnt War run on OpenSol |
| 19:14.42 | Jarika | Aii: I assume its the table.insert into the event handlers of the layout editor? Any idea why it doesn't add my function to it? I made a dump of the table before and after i try to insert my function and its the same |
| 19:14.52 | knix | I dunno, I've run across several quirks in wine where things won't work on non-linux kernels |
| 19:15.06 | Aii | Jarika: pastey your code? |
| 19:16.44 | Jarika | oh nevermind, i had a typo in it... *blush* |
| 19:17.46 | Aii | :) |
| 19:18.46 | Jarika | works now, thanks |
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| 19:19.57 | Aii | i really wish I had the resources to get a second desktop :S |
| 19:20.30 | Daegalus_ | Bah, schools wifi network just died |
| 19:22.12 | Daegalus_ | Gogo edge connection slowness |
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| 19:32.20 | tronned | Noctys: When do you expect LTI 2.0 to be release? OR can I ask a small favor for the next release version? xD |
| 19:33.46 | Noctys | Tronned: 2.0 release wont be until we (Beablebrox42 & I) have a working version of LibStoredData up and running. Version 2.0 will be embeddable. But I will be coming out with a 1.5 (or whatever I am on soon) Going to add typeColor. What would you like to see though? |
| 19:34.13 | tronned | less d() spam xD |
| 19:35.00 | tronned | I have LTI returning both career name, then with my own personal lookup table (GuidanceCounselor), i have it returning career colors (non-archetype) and career icons too. |
| 19:36.21 | Noctys | Oh, yeah -- I can do that. I want to make a debug library that everyone can plug into and can just say debug this addon only. But it would only work if everyone used it. I will turn off most of the spam. What is pissing you off so I make sure I get rid of the right stuff. :) |
| 19:37.14 | Noctys | I'll add career colors in too.. That makes scence. |
| 19:37.17 | tronned | I would not return d() spam for STATIC or STATIC_ATTACKABLE objects |
| 19:37.26 | Noctys | Where did you end up getting your color choices from? |
| 19:37.31 | PenguinOfDoom | Noctys: Have Aiiane publish it :P |
| 19:37.39 | tronned | I created them long ago in beta |
| 19:38.19 | Noctys | We just need to get a set default. I will probably grab the career ones from CUF. That's what I use... |
| 19:38.24 | tronned | Noctys: Something similar to this: http://antipersonnel.org/media/images/storage/080815-careercolors.jpg |
| 19:38.45 | tronned | CUF uses archetype, which GuidanceCounselor can pull if CUF is installed |
| 19:39.07 | tronned | that if Ms. Aii did not change her table format, which I doubt she did ;p |
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| 19:40.22 | Noctys | Is guidanceCounselor an addon or just part of you 'stuff'? |
| 19:41.15 | tronned | It's not on CurseForge, I'll put it on eventually (it's only a lookup table plus a couple functions) |
| 19:41.55 | Noctys | If you want to send it out to me I can probably put most of it's functionality into LibTargetInfo. Credits to you of course. |
| 19:42.33 | Aii | I'm pretty sure I used the same color settings for CUF and Squared |
| 19:42.45 | tronned | Noctys: sure, here's the function I use for LTI with Moth: http://waruidev.pastey.net/100572 |
| 19:42.46 | Aii | although Squared has them in slightly different format to accomodate Squared's options system |
| 19:42.49 | Noctys | Sounds like the start of a standard. =) |
| 19:44.14 | tronned | What GuidanceCounselor needs is a method to change/save colors for careers / archetypes ... since Aii's archetype colors are so prominent, hers would be default. |
| 19:44.49 | tronned | My cat totally approves career color and icons in scenarios (and open area rvr for enemis in our table), so nice work, Noctys. |
| 19:45.11 | tronned | enemies* |
| 19:46.12 | tronned | Mythic needs to work on their image slicing, ugh |
| 19:46.24 | Aii | It should be noted |
| 19:46.33 | Aii | that d() prefixes messages with the addon that created them |
| 19:46.42 | Noctys | I can get career & type colors both working in the next release of LTI. All the data you are getting from guidance counsler you can get from my addon. (once I add those in) |
| 19:47.00 | Aii | you could create an alternative debug window that filtered its log display and only included messages with a certain prefix |
| 19:47.11 | Noctys | That would be cool too. |
| 19:47.23 | Aii | I personally don't have a need for it though |
| 19:47.45 | Aii | initial load is a finite number of messages, not hard to sort through |
| 19:47.52 | tronned | Aii: A custom /debug with a listbox to check filter for installed AddOns is an awesome idea. Too bad I am not motivated enough to do it. |
| 19:47.55 | Aii | and addons should not be spamming d() messages for end users regardless |
| 19:48.09 | NigelTufnel | exactly |
| 19:48.14 | Aii | so the only addon spamming d() messages beyond initial load is the one im working on |
| 19:48.21 | Aii | and why would i want to filter that :P |
| 19:48.39 | Noctys | Try running letteropener and debugging your mod at the same time. =) That only works if people programm that way |
| 19:49.03 | Aii | so dont run letteropener |
| 19:49.13 | Aii | or throw things at the author until they code better |
| 19:49.19 | tronned | Aii: Exactly, but as I was saying to Noctys: I'm working on Moth where I can manage my own d()'s, and don't really want to scroll up a few pages of the same d() because I'm mousing over road signs, lol |
| 19:51.06 | Noctys | tronned: You might want to put in some targetType if() catches before calling that function. |
| 19:52.04 | Aii | lunchtime, back in a bit |
| 20:00.33 | `Zypher | Aii: nooooOoo |
| 20:01.59 | Aiiane | ...? |
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| 20:08.01 | Daegalus | Zomg, im back |
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| 20:14.05 | tronned | zomg, wb |
| 20:16.09 | Daegalus | I know, my return merit celebration! To the Tavern! |
| 20:17.53 | Jarika | Is anyone from curse here? |
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| 20:29.30 | tronned | Can anyone approve GuianceCounselor on CurseForge, prz? muchlove |
| 20:35.00 | tronned | Thanks, mystery approval person! |
| 20:35.19 | Daegalus | Aka, aiiane :P |
| 20:35.36 | tronned | Exactly |
| 20:39.10 | Jarika | I have added two addons on curseforge today, both seemed aproved but both show "This project has no files!" even though they clearly have 1 and 2 files right there. They won't transfer to curse either |
| 20:40.27 | NigelTufnel | Ya that happened to me too |
| 20:40.38 | Jarika | What did you do to fix it? |
| 20:40.41 | NigelTufnel | Aiiane knows what to do =] |
| 20:40.49 | Jarika | Aiiane!! |
| 20:40.51 | Jarika | :9 |
| 20:40.54 | NigelTufnel | at lunch though, so you gotta wait lol |
| 20:40.57 | Jarika | i mean :) |
| 20:41.00 | Aiiane | change the file to alpha and change it back to release. |
| 20:41.01 | Jarika | damn |
| 20:41.05 | NigelTufnel | o there ya go |
| 20:41.06 | Jarika | ah there she is |
| 20:41.13 | Jarika | ah alright, i'll try that |
| 20:42.33 | Jarika | that did the trick, thanks |
| 20:46.41 | `Zypher | Aiiane: bacon and eggs? |
| 20:48.37 | Aiiane | o.0 |
| 20:48.43 | Aiiane | anywho, classtime, back in a bit |
| 20:55.11 | `Zypher | Aii: never is a fan of the bacon and eggs :( |
| 20:56.18 | Thunder_Child | b&e is fail |
| 20:58.58 | NigelTufnel | unless accompanied by cheese and on a hard roll |
| 21:01.19 | Daegalus | Sushi > all |
| 21:03.19 | talvinen | finally ;_; |
| 21:03.26 | talvinen | xHUD 1.0 released |
| 21:03.47 | talvinen | probably full of bugs *g* |
| 21:04.46 | Daegalus | Woot, go bugs! |
| 21:05.21 | `Zypher | bugs are nummy |
| 21:05.33 | `Zypher | nom nom nom |
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| 21:07.48 | Jarika | woohhoo, infinite loops ftw! |
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| 21:09.20 | `Zypher | Jarika: yarly? |
| 21:09.21 | `Zypher | um |
| 21:09.27 | `Zypher | is Farcry 2 worth my 50$? |
| 21:11.32 | shockbeta|work | Some people at my work like it |
| 21:11.46 | shockbeta|work | they're actually running it on our game machine right now.. look sawesome on a 30" |
| 21:11.59 | skoli | Does someone know how to set the name of the file when I use TortoiseSVN to export stuff to curse? Now it automatically puts the revision number to filename and I need to change the filename afterwards at curse |
| 21:12.37 | talvinen | hmmm.. wasn't the fix to the "no files" bug at curseforge to change the file to alpha and then back to release? |
| 21:12.40 | shockbeta|work | The description I heard for Farcry 2 was open world fps |
| 21:14.13 | Jarika | talvinen: worked for me |
| 21:14.55 | talvinen | instantly? |
| 21:18.34 | *** join/#waruidev Aii (n=Aiiane@knuth.cs.hmc.edu) |
| 21:18.35 | *** mode/#WARUIDev [+o Aii] by ChanServ |
| 21:18.44 | talvinen | Ah, my hero arrived |
| 21:19.32 | Aii | aroo? |
| 21:19.41 | Aii | (my screen process died :|) |
| 21:20.15 | talvinen | I am too much a noob to know what you are talking about, but I'm sorry about that |
| 21:20.42 | talvinen | I get that "This project has no files!" bug again. already changed the file from release to alpha to release to beta to alpha to release to.. |
| 21:21.02 | Aii | shortname? |
| 21:21.05 | talvinen | xhud |
| 21:21.35 | Aii | probably because the file wasnt approved yet |
| 21:22.04 | talvinen | might be. in this case the message is a bit misleading |
| 21:22.11 | Jarika | shouldn't it say "This project awaits aproval" instead of "has no files" ? |
| 21:23.07 | talvinen | thank you, Aii :) |
| 21:23.23 | Aii | jarika: no, if the project is approved but the file needs approval :) |
| 21:23.27 | Aii | it's two separate approvals |
| 21:23.53 | *** join/#waruidev Daegalus (n=Daegalus@32.155.193.6) |
| 21:23.56 | Aii | if a file is awaiting approval, it will say so in the 'Status' column when you go to Files |
| 21:24.02 | `Zypher | Aii: died?!? oh noes |
| 21:24.09 | Aii | It'll be listed as 'Needs Approval' instead of Normal |
| 21:24.42 | *** join/#waruidev Jarika (n=ordan@mnhm-590e079b.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 21:25.08 | Jarika | Any Bright Wizards here, or any Sorcerers/BWs that run a non-english client? |
| 21:25.13 | Daegalus | Wait, Aii died? aiiane will be most heartbroken her evil twin is now gone. *mourns* |
| 21:25.16 | talvinen | <- Sorc |
| 21:26.45 | PenguinOfDoom | Jarika: I play BW on an English client, why? |
| 21:27.03 | Jarika | Would you like to betatest DMCountdown? http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/dmcountdown.aspx |
| 21:27.23 | talvinen | sure |
| 21:27.50 | PenguinOfDoom | whoah, that's useful |
| 21:27.53 | PenguinOfDoom | I'll install it when I get home |
| 21:27.58 | talvinen | god, my sorceress just looks like pure sex. too bad I'm more the healer guy =/ |
| 21:28.14 | PenguinOfDoom | I don't understand how people can stand playing healer :( |
| 21:28.18 | talvinen | but ugly little goblins have there magic too |
| 21:28.22 | talvinen | .. |
| 21:28.23 | PenguinOfDoom | (but please don't stop) |
| 21:28.32 | talvinen | I like playing whack-a-mole |
| 21:28.44 | Daegalus | DoK = pure win |
| 21:28.45 | PenguinOfDoom | I get bored halfway through and start trying to kill people |
| 21:28.46 | Jarika | It works fine on my sorc so far, but would like for a BW to test it too. See no reason why it shouldn't work. Also would like to know if it works fine with other than english clients |
| 21:28.48 | PenguinOfDoom | (key word: tring) |
| 21:28.55 | PenguinOfDoom | trying* |
| 21:28.57 | talvinen | and I dislike to die, because there are no or only bullshit healers |
| 21:29.43 | Daegalus | Penguinofdoom: play a dok/wp im sure you will have no problems with dps |
| 21:30.14 | PenguinOfDoom | Daegalus: I'm kinda allergic to melee classes :( |
| 21:30.24 | talvinen | Jarika: Works for Sorc/German Client and looks pretty :) |
| 21:30.27 | PenguinOfDoom | also, do dok/wp get enough crowd control? |
| 21:31.21 | Daegalus | Snare, aoe dmg stun, cone knockback, give snare to entire group on any dmg dealt, umm ya |
| 21:31.30 | talvinen | I played a DoK to 32, realized you will either be a second class healer with dark rites (topping healing charts means nothing) or will be instantly focussed down as soon as you set a step into the enemy lines |
| 21:31.37 | talvinen | rerolled shaman now |
| 21:31.45 | PenguinOfDoom | hm |
| 21:31.45 | Daegalus | Look up Covenant of Celerity |
| 21:31.52 | PenguinOfDoom | Daegalus: I'm addicted to stop drop and roll :P |
| 21:32.00 | skoli | talvinen: I have dinged my DoK to lvl32 just today :f |
| 21:32.07 | PenguinOfDoom | hit flee, then burn out, then ignite and then haha I caught your face |
| 21:33.02 | Daegalus | Im a 32 dok and live it, i can single handedly keep a entire group alive against 4-5 bw aoe |
| 21:33.15 | talvinen | skoli: Might be fun with a tank to guard you and some capable healers in your back. otherwise, it was only frustration to me |
| 21:33.16 | Daegalus | Love* |
| 21:33.25 | PenguinOfDoom | could be fail bright wizards |
| 21:33.48 | Daegalus | Talv: if you play DR you stand back and heal |
| 21:33.50 | PenguinOfDoom | I'm not sure how it is possible to fail at BW, but some poeple achieve it |
| 21:34.01 | talvinen | the ae is not the problem, dok's ae heals are very powerful. survivability is the problem, even with stacked hp/toughness |
| 21:34.10 | Daegalus | Pebguin, this is to all bw |
| 21:34.53 | Daegalus | Talv, i have 0 problems survivng witch hunters mdps and maybe 1-2 bw |
| 21:35.05 | talvinen | Daegalus: I did, but the SE mechanic pissed me off. standing there and channeling while your whole group dies. and each second of channeling, thats 25 action points your not recovering. yes, you will lose an additional 125 ap every time you use blood offering |
| 21:35.08 | skoli | talvinen: I'm playing with Chosen and Marauder. I like to have an healer in group too, so don't need to heal so often to keep us alive :d |
| 21:35.19 | talvinen | while the shaman just uses his AP drain and keeps healing |
| 21:35.26 | PenguinOfDoom | Daegalus: Also, maybe you are not high enough level to get Slow Boil chaincast on you |
| 21:36.17 | Daegalus | Penguin, i het them alll the time, i heal/shield through them while dispelling most of the dots |
| 21:36.33 | Daegalus | Talv, i just blood offer and heal |
| 21:36.48 | talvinen | I did that too. |
| 21:36.58 | talvinen | It's just not as effective as other healing classes |
| 21:37.00 | Daegalus | When im in scenerios im willpower/toughness stacked healbot |
| 21:37.12 | Daegalus | I dont dps |
| 21:37.38 | Daegalus | Or only to snare people gunning for the backline |
| 21:38.21 | talvinen | My first time doing 100k heal in a scenario was in Tor Anroc with the DoK. I reached 100k with my shaman at level 12 in Mourkain Temple. nuff said. |
| 21:39.03 | Aii | that doesn't really speak so much to the power of either class at 40 |
| 21:39.06 | Daegalus | You yourself said numbers dont matterm, thry are based on situation |
| 21:39.17 | Aii | as whether the power of one class gets its core healing abilities earlier or later |
| 21:39.19 | PenguinOfDoom | Healing counters are rather fucked up. You can outheal anything with an engineer |
| 21:39.31 | Aii | DoK healing is so much more heavily mastery-based than shaman healing is |
| 21:39.33 | PenguinOfDoom | (because you get healing points each time you put up a turret) |
| 21:39.45 | Daegalus | Ive done 250k healing in tor anroc and doomfist |
| 21:40.04 | Daegalus | What aii says is true |
| 21:41.05 | Daegalus | 80% of my best heals are deep DR. Without them my heals are mediocre |
| 21:41.08 | Aii | I mean, just look at level 8 |
| 21:41.17 | Aii | shamans get a big direct heal |
| 21:41.24 | Aii | doks get a big heal that requires meleeing |
| 21:41.33 | talvinen | the encounters might change at 40, the spells do not. I already have all my healing spells on my DoK, I am full DR with massively stacked willpower (ignoring anything else) |
| 21:41.36 | Daegalus | Rend soul is win |
| 21:41.38 | Aii | of course shamans will get a big boost to their healing done |
| 21:41.50 | Aii | if they're healbotting at lv8 |
| 21:41.52 | PenguinOfDoom | talvinen: At level 40, all casters get an AoE silence |
| 21:41.53 | talvinen | Rend Soul scales with Strength and is a pathetic heal for deep DR DoKs |
| 21:42.00 | Aii | precisely |
| 21:42.06 | PenguinOfDoom | and BWs in particular get at least 3 ways to poop into your foxhole |
| 21:42.08 | tronned | Rend Soul, ugh |
| 21:42.11 | Aii | which is why trying to judge the dok at level 8 when all they have is rend soul |
| 21:42.13 | tronned | don't even get me started |
| 21:42.14 | Aii | is silly |
| 21:42.18 | talvinen | I use my big heal like 1-2 times each scenario. It simply sucks *g* |
| 21:42.32 | Jarika | talvinen: thanks for testing |
| 21:42.33 | Aii | yes, but basically |
| 21:42.34 | Aii | consider |
| 21:42.35 | Aii | at level 12 |
| 21:42.38 | Aii | what do dok's have |
| 21:42.39 | tronned | PenguinOfDoom: I've had people poop in my foxhole, it's non too pleasant. |
| 21:42.41 | Aii | versus what do shaman have |
| 21:42.44 | tronned | *none |
| 21:42.47 | Daegalus | Lol, i use RS only when i solo or pvp in my dps gear |
| 21:42.48 | Aii | that's why you got big numbers on your shaman at 12 |
| 21:42.57 | Aii | and not on your dok |
| 21:43.17 | Aii | I have yet to see a shaman get above 150k healing in tor |
| 21:43.30 | PenguinOfDoom | whatever |
| 21:43.39 | PenguinOfDoom | shamans are a combat class in tor anroc |
| 21:43.40 | Daegalus | I have but only 193k |
| 21:44.04 | PenguinOfDoom | but you don't get numbers in the score screen for AoE tossing people into lava |
| 21:44.57 | Aii | s/people/yourself/ :P |
| 21:45.08 | Aii | (lol @ shaman) |
| 21:45.11 | talvinen | Both shaman and DoK have the exact same HoTs. I did the testing. All hots have the same scaling. All hots have the same base value (except dark medicine from the Zealot). Only the shaman doesn't need to stand there for 5 seconds, transforming 55 AP to 30 SE per second (remember that AP do not regen while your simply doing nothing but standing there) - but instead can steal 180 AP every 20 seconds |
| 21:45.37 | talvinen | but anyway, I don't want you to tell that DoKs suck or shamans are the best class in the world. this is just my conclusion |
| 21:45.55 | Aii | the base is |
| 21:45.59 | Aii | if all you're wanting to do is healbot |
| 21:46.00 | Aii | then yes |
| 21:46.08 | Aii | DoK isn't necessarily the best class to choose |
| 21:46.24 | PenguinOfDoom | Melee classes are a bit on the meh side |
| 21:46.34 | PenguinOfDoom | Especially the squishy ones like dok/wp |
| 21:46.50 | PenguinOfDoom | The ideal gang setup for Order is 5 bright wizards, one healer |
| 21:46.54 | Daegalus | Dok wp are squishy? |
| 21:46.55 | PenguinOfDoom | You don't want to be squishy and in range |
| 21:46.57 | Daegalus | News to me |
| 21:47.22 | talvinen | Armor means nothing to Order's only DPS, the Bright Wizard ;) |
| 21:48.02 | Daegalus | No, but 2.5k worth of absorb shields do |
| 21:48.32 | talvinen | but then again you're a) Dark Rites and not melee |
| 21:48.45 | talvinen | and b) does the morale shield only absorb melee damage |
| 21:48.56 | PenguinOfDoom | wait, morale shield? |
| 21:49.03 | PenguinOfDoom | that's not going to save you |
| 21:49.47 | Aii | who said morale? |
| 21:49.49 | Daegalus | Im whatevee i want to be, with dps set on, i dps and play like a sac dok, with healset i heal. |
| 21:49.53 | talvinen | I didn't have any problems surviving while being DR, just when i specced Sacrifice and tried to go melee |
| 21:49.54 | PenguinOfDoom | talvinen said it! |
| 21:50.16 | Aii | http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9595 |
| 21:50.52 | talvinen | this one is possibly the best thing about Dark Rites *g* |
| 21:51.21 | PenguinOfDoom | Aii: Does that apply to crit hot ticks? |
| 21:51.25 | talvinen | yes |
| 21:51.33 | Daegalus | Talv, best way to do it is spec DR, put on sac gear, and play like a sac dok with dr spec, then as you get past 30, put stuff into sac |
| 21:51.38 | PenguinOfDoom | oh, interesting |
| 21:51.59 | talvinen | it even procs if your hots do zero heal |
| 21:52.07 | Aii | mhm |
| 21:52.20 | Aii | it's sort of like how I actually regen AP when spamming team heal as an archmage |
| 21:52.23 | Aii | due to restorative burst |
| 21:52.45 | Aii | any time teamheal crits on anyone, I get 160 ap |
| 21:52.50 | Daegalus | Everything up until empowered transfer, is crap anyway |
| 21:52.54 | Aii | teamheal = 5 chances to crit |
| 21:53.35 | Aii | master of tranquility = +10% crit chance on heals |
| 21:53.53 | talvinen | isn't that a typo and only regs 40 ap? |
| 21:53.56 | Daegalus | Also 90% of dok heals are hots and aoe hots and every tick can crit and proc |
| 21:53.58 | talvinen | i read it everywhere |
| 21:54.00 | PenguinOfDoom | Does playing with fire stack on the same target? |
| 21:54.04 | Aii | talvinen: not as far as I can see |
| 21:54.12 | Aii | when it procs I basically get most of my AP bar back |
| 21:55.16 | Daegalus | I also get a channeled aoe hot that can heal outsude my group too. |
| 21:55.46 | Daegalus | With whatever max targets an aoe has |
| 21:55.46 | talvinen | that is capped at 10 people and only scales with 80% +heal per tick :) |
| 21:56.21 | Daegalus | Still, in a 12v12 its pretty good |
| 21:56.27 | Aii | 10 people is plenty. |
| 21:56.34 | talvinen | yes, but situational, as the range is quite small |
| 21:56.40 | Aii | people who are annoyed about aoe being capped at 10 are silly. |
| 21:57.02 | talvinen | it's okay. but not quite as powerful as I first thought |
| 21:57.16 | Daegalus | I might temporarily get the DR r4 morale and have some fun with it |
| 21:57.20 | talvinen | the WP version does 4 ticks instead of 3 and scales better with willpower |
| 21:57.46 | Daegalus | Well the dok has a few scaling issues |
| 21:58.02 | Aii | btw, so you have an idea where I'm coming from, my main is an archmage (and has been from day 1), I have a DoK alt |
| 21:58.06 | Aii | enjoy both, though :) |
| 21:58.16 | Daegalus | And devour essence and fist of khaine are based on int, a stat we never use |
| 21:58.58 | Aii | right now my main sadness is that the hybrid abilities for archmage don't scale very well |
| 21:59.03 | Aii | (i.e. the damage -> healing ones) |
| 21:59.20 | Aii | and thus it's hard to be a hybrid character; oftentimes i end up just stacking willpower |
| 21:59.30 | Jarika | yes they kind of suck. less damage than damage abilities and less healing than small heals |
| 21:59.34 | Daegalus | Ive played all the healers till at least 20. I get best overall results with a dok |
| 22:00.04 | Aii | oh, and a minor annoyance |
| 22:00.17 | Aii | the talent that increases damage done by 25% but decreases healing done by 20% |
| 22:00.21 | Daegalus | Aii: doks have that problem with sac abilities till Empowered transfer |
| 22:00.26 | Aii | decreases the healing done by damage->heal abilities |
| 22:00.34 | talvinen | Most DoKs I see nowadays do like 8k damage and 14k healing, while the shaman or zealot is doing 80k healing |
| 22:00.40 | talvinen | sad but true :( |
| 22:00.51 | PenguinOfDoom | heh |
| 22:01.08 | Daegalus | O.o weird, the inc dmg one works fine on doks |
| 22:01.08 | PenguinOfDoom | yeah, people pick a healer, then realized that killing people quickly is a very effective tactic |
| 22:01.24 | Daegalus | Well they fail at being a DoK then |
| 22:01.50 | Jarika | i thoguth about rolling a dok, but read their damage takes a hit in tier 3, and i didn't really want to play another healer, not sure if they're gimped healers or not, but apperently they're gimped damage/hybrids :) |
| 22:02.25 | PenguinOfDoom | well, no, there are two types of damage classes |
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| 22:02.32 | PenguinOfDoom | ones with combustion mechanic |
| 22:02.50 | PenguinOfDoom | and the hilariously underpowered SH/SW |
| 22:03.00 | talvinen | Jarika: I think their damage is okay in T3, can't comment on T4 (but I read it goes down from there) |
| 22:03.03 | PenguinOfDoom | Well, either underpowered or people who play them are utter morons |
| 22:03.05 | Aii | 3 types |
| 22:03.10 | Aii | ones with combustion |
| 22:03.10 | Daegalus | Well gtg, class |
| 22:03.24 | Aii | ones with an amusingly powerful CC mechanic but are otherwise broken |
| 22:03.27 | Aii | and ones that are broken |
| 22:03.30 | talvinen | I've seen lots of SH/Eng top Damage Charts lately |
| 22:03.40 | PenguinOfDoom | engineer, of all things? what |
| 22:04.02 | Jarika | yeah, i tried a SH in tier 1, it was fun, but didn't even come anywhere close to my sorc |
| 22:04.09 | PenguinOfDoom | Supposed, shadow warriors can instapop squishy casters |
| 22:04.13 | talvinen | dunno, heard they can put out something like a "not to bad" AE-damage with their bombs |
| 22:04.15 | PenguinOfDoom | Haven't seen it myself |
| 22:04.24 | Jarika | most sorcs complain about BWs... and forget that they're the second highest damage class right behind them |
| 22:04.48 | talvinen | Jarika: The problem with BWs is not only their damage |
| 22:05.51 | Jarika | I don't like BW either, and think a few of their abilities need fixing, I'm just saying Sorcs aren't as bad as the forums always say |
| 22:05.52 | Aii | aside from playing with fire, what else do you have a problem with talvinen ? |
| 22:05.52 | PenguinOfDoom | NO FIXING |
| 22:05.52 | PenguinOfDoom | NOOOO |
| 22:06.16 | Jarika | right, lets remove them instead ;) |
| 22:06.30 | PenguinOfDoom | yes, just buff archmage damage by 600% |
| 22:06.34 | PenguinOfDoom | and switch all BWs into archmages |
| 22:06.53 | Jarika | a healing meganuker... i don't think so :) |
| 22:07.23 | talvinen | Aii: mostly, Playing with Fire and the fact that Fire Cage still doesn't break like it should (or at least, this was my subjective experience) |
| 22:08.02 | PenguinOfDoom | Jarika: Not like they'll do much damage even after a 600% increase |
| 22:08.12 | talvinen | But there a lots of threads comparing BW with Sorc, where BW wins in nearly all aspects. that doesn't bother me to much, as e.g. Shaman > Archmage (or so I think) |
| 22:08.18 | PenguinOfDoom | talvinen: That's because you notice it more when it doesn't break quickly |
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| 22:09.16 | PenguinOfDoom | Also, are you sure you aren't taking DoT tick damage and expecting it to break the cage? |
| 22:09.40 | PenguinOfDoom | because anybody with half a brain would put the DoTs up, cage you, run away and fireball from a distance |
| 22:10.13 | Aii | talvinen: myleveling partner is a BW |
| 22:10.17 | Aii | fire cage breaks fine |
| 22:10.22 | Felyza | personally, as a person having a runepriest, bright wizard, magus, and witch elf, runepriests need a hair more damage in healing spec (i can't even solo a same level npc), bright wizards really need toned down (if you have a healer, it really is god mode), magus are in need of serious work, and witch elves are quite balanced |
| 22:10.22 | talvinen | I don't have too much experience in meleeing BWs since that patch. But I remember to be nuked down several times from 100-0 without being able to move (not only from the BW, of course) |
| 22:10.32 | talvinen | Might be bad luck |
| 22:10.36 | Jarika | Archmages damage isn't that bad, sure it comes nowhere near BWs, and it shouldn't, but with a 600% increase it sure would :) |
| 22:10.53 | Aii | % chances are % |
| 22:10.57 | Aii | random chance is random |
| 22:11.00 | NigelTufnel | felyza, you die to same level npcs? |
| 22:11.10 | talvinen | Aii: I read it on the internets, so it must be true. :) |
| 22:11.12 | NigelTufnel | i just take forever to kill them but can hold like 6 of them on me without tying |
| 22:11.16 | Felyza | no, but i don't kill them either |
| 22:11.27 | NigelTufnel | haha ok thats more like it |
| 22:11.36 | Felyza | i have have a dozen on me, just not enough dps to really kill them |
| 22:11.42 | Felyza | *can have |
| 22:11.48 | NigelTufnel | haha ya thats pretty much my deal too |
| 22:11.51 | PenguinOfDoom | NPCs don't regenerate health |
| 22:11.58 | PenguinOfDoom | you can kill them eventually :P |
| 22:12.05 | NigelTufnel | haha ya of course, not literally |
| 22:12.25 | Felyza | here, i'll rephrase, i can't effectively solo... that better? |
| 22:12.26 | NigelTufnel | but it takes forever, thats why I just rvr now |
| 22:12.32 | Aii | imo |
| 22:12.46 | Aii | either the multiplier on combustion should be lowered a bit |
| 22:12.56 | Aii | or higher levels of combustion should debuff incoming healing |
| 22:13.03 | Aii | (ditto dark magic) |
| 22:13.15 | NigelTufnel | ya thats a good call |
| 22:13.15 | Aii | either would work for me, and make the class more interesting (to me, at least) |
| 22:13.18 | talvinen | Did you know that BWs get less damage from Explosions as Sorcs? |
| 22:13.21 | Felyza | nah, i say keep it as it, however, make explosion damage undefendable and increase it about 500% |
| 22:13.21 | Aii | (i have a sorc alt as well) |
| 22:13.34 | Aii | explosion damage is already undefendable afaik |
| 22:13.42 | PenguinOfDoom | talvinen: That sounds unlikely. Proof, please. |
| 22:13.47 | Felyza | with a shield, i wasn't getting hit by it |
| 22:14.03 | Felyza | was using a potion shield to test |
| 22:14.12 | Aii | sure, but shields are just heals in a different form |
| 22:14.18 | Aii | its fine for them to be affected by combustion |
| 22:14.37 | Aii | takes away the shield for when real damage would hit, rather than vice versa |
| 22:14.39 | talvinen | PenguinOfDoom: I didn't do excessive testing on it. Heard it from a BW and created one for myself, didn't even notice I was taking damage *g* |
| 22:14.40 | Aii | and no |
| 22:14.47 | talvinen | But I will test again |
| 22:14.50 | Aii | explosion damage does not need to be boosted |
| 22:15.16 | Aii | a lv30 BW can already explode themselves for ~800, which is a good quarter of their healthbar |
| 22:15.21 | Felyza | Aii, there are undefendable spells by other classes, which do hit through shield, so if hp were lowered, when they hit, it would potentially kill me faster. |
| 22:15.31 | PenguinOfDoom | Aii: Moar wounds! |
| 22:15.38 | Aii | Felyza: but not all of their damage is undefendable |
| 22:15.46 | Aii | and that's really not a fix for the overall class |
| 22:15.55 | Aii | and the problem isn't that those specific classes can't kill BWs |
| 22:16.00 | Aii | it's a general one |
| 22:16.11 | Aii | so proposing a specific fix for a general issue isn't really useful |
| 22:16.13 | Felyza | True, I'm just thinking of a way to keep same damage output while increasing the frailty in such a way as to make damage keep-able |
| 22:17.01 | Felyza | Sadly, its either make them more frail, or lower their output |
| 22:17.45 | Felyza | Lowering output would be seen as a big nerf, but making them far more frail would make less of a stir as far as the people I know go. |
| 22:18.38 | Aii | having combustion debuff incoming heals would keep instantaneous damage the same while lowering sustained dps |
| 22:18.46 | Aii | and sustained dps is really the issue, with a healer |
| 22:19.13 | talvinen | The main problem is, that there is one class which everyone and their cat seems to be playing that is seen as really dangerous, and a dozen other classes that simply get ignored because their damage is easy to heal through |
| 22:19.54 | Felyza | Yeah, I guess that may work, I was thinking of ways to increase ability to die to enemy faster than potential suicide, but we can both agree they need something |
| 22:19.54 | PenguinOfDoom | Are you saying that a ranged DPS class has a problem because it does ranged DPS? |
| 22:20.51 | Felyza | no, the issue with BW's is that they are ranged dps that doesn't scale properly compared to other ranged dps |
| 22:21.36 | PenguinOfDoom | How so? Engineers are screwed, I'll give you that. Shadow warriors seem fine, from what I heard |
| 22:21.55 | Felyza | Oh yes, engineers and magi both need alot of work, but increases not decreases |
| 22:22.06 | Felyza | Magi have the bum end of the deal though |
| 22:22.40 | Felyza | Engineer's white damage scales well with ballistic, as do alot of their stuff, whereas the magi damage does not scale properly with their int |
| 22:23.13 | Felyza | There is next to no reason for int on a magus, unless they are a high level havoc spec |
| 22:23.20 | Repo | 10multiauction_auctionstats: 03Odlaw * r3 Core.lua: |
| 22:23.21 | Repo | MultiAuction_AuctionStats: Changed median price to not be added if AuctionStats has no median price info available |
| 22:23.52 | Felyza | but ballistic makes for a notable dps increase on the engineer ;) |
| 22:25.51 | Repo | 10multiauction: 03Odlaw * r11 / (2 files in 1 directory): MultiAuction: |
| 22:25.53 | Repo | - Added an 'Add All' Button. |
| 22:25.55 | Repo | - Changed display a bit, should get MultiAuction_AuctionStats to work right |
| 22:26.15 | talvinen | Aii: What exactly is responsible for the frame drops when processing buffs? Is it GetBuffs() or just the handling of more or less large tables? |
| 22:26.33 | Repo | 10sknotice: 03skoli 04v1.01 * r4 : |
| 22:26.34 | Repo | Added two more textfield, so user can now be notified by three different text. |
| 22:26.36 | Aii | talvinen: a combination of things |
| 22:26.38 | Repo | Few more channels added: Say, Alliance, Tell Received |
| 22:26.53 | Aii | GetBuffs() takes nontrivial time when there are a large number of buffs |
| 22:27.04 | Aii | processing the resulting table takes nontrivial time when there are a large number of buffs |
| 22:27.14 | Thrae | Aii: I'm still gettin' crashes with 180.43 =/ Hmm, what next to try... |
| 22:27.15 | Aii | and setting the buff icon textures takes nontrivial time when there are a large number of buffs |
| 22:27.22 | Aii | Thrae: yep, I am too |
| 22:27.30 | Aii | not really any worse than 178, but still there |
| 22:27.37 | Aii | sticking with 180 though because at least it's better fps |
| 22:27.52 | Thrae | Yeah |
| 22:28.10 | Thrae | I'm going to try changing the "Maximum Pre-Rendered Frames" from 3 to 1 under Program Settings in Nvidia Control Panel |
| 22:28.37 | Aii | let me know how that works out |
| 22:28.42 | Aii | anywho, heading home |
| 22:29.33 | talvinen | two things |
| 22:29.55 | talvinen | BW and Sorc both seem to get the same damage |
| 22:30.20 | talvinen | Jarika? |
| 22:30.34 | talvinen | hmpf, gone already |
| 22:33.44 | Repo | 10charview: 03Flisher * r79 / (5 files in 1 directory): |
| 22:33.45 | Repo | -1.47 -> Removed NRarity support since Nemes will implement a new and improved way in NRarity 1.8 |
| 22:34.58 | Repo | 10charview: 03Flisher 04Version 1.47 - Release * r80 : Tagging as Version 1.47 - Release. |
| 22:45.29 | `Zypher | Aii: 180 what? |
| 22:45.44 | `Zypher | buff/debuffs/ |
| 22:45.50 | shockbeta|work | So I have a question. I have an addon with that has two seperate windows. When the layout editor is open then closed the windows pop open.. What am I missing that is causing them to open when the Layout Editor is clsoed? |
| 22:46.03 | *** join/#waruidev TC-Away (i=TC@cpe-76-169-230-188.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:46.14 | Aiiane | `Zypher: nvidia driver version |
| 22:46.19 | *** join/#waruidev TC-Away (i=TC@cpe-76-169-230-188.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:46.46 | `Zypher | Aiiane: gotcha, one thing I've been toying around with is the AA compat mode |
| 22:46.52 | Aiiane | shockbeta|work: setting the layout editor to allow them to be hidden via the layout editor? |
| 22:47.32 | shockbeta|work | the two windows aren't open, then you open layout editor, then close it, and then they both pop open. |
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| 22:47.55 | shockbeta|work | I'm not sure if I registered them with the layout editor.. I may have, |
| 22:48.21 | shockbeta|work | I registered them |
| 22:49.40 | shockbeta|work | So if I allow them to be hidden via layout editor, then if you open/close the LE if they didn't set them to be hidden they open? |
| 22:50.05 | shockbeta|work | makes sense if that's how it works... teach me not to read function description before using it:p |
| 22:50.52 | shockbeta|work | Basically if you have your own settings window that you want to be in charge of hiding and showing you pass false as the allowhidden param and they won't open after you close the LE? |
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| 23:01.52 | `Zypher | Aiiane: lets dance! |
| 23:01.53 | `Zypher | ~dance |
| 23:01.54 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 23:05.04 | `Zypher | no? |
| 23:05.11 | `Zypher | le sigh |
| 23:16.32 | Thrae | Aii: Still CTD, although thankfully this time at the END of a scenario. Most of my CTDs seem to be zoning today. Anyway, let's try turning off Ansio + AA (which I don't think the engine uses anyway) |
| 23:17.05 | Aiiane | it doesn't use them, though you can force them and they'll be on |
| 23:18.25 | Thrae | Aiiane: Right |
| 23:18.45 | WikkiFizzle | Im having CTD ever since 1.0.4 with my 4870x2 and its driving me nutty :/ |
| 23:19.12 | Aiiane | cleared out your cache folder recently wikki? |
| 23:19.37 | Thrae | Aiiane: Ah whoops, had it on "High Quality" too. Lemme turn that down to Custom 2 (Fastest Framerate with Effects on All, need to see that Pit of Shades!) |
| 23:19.57 | WikkiFizzle | Hm good question, let me give it a try |
| 23:21.16 | Noctys | Is there a real easy way to change the color of the text when printing to the chat window, without changing they 'type' of text? |
| 23:22.00 | sysrage | sweet. deleted my cache folder, now my mail window is blank |
| 23:22.34 | Aiiane | sysrage: deleted it while the game was running? or while it wasn't running |
| 23:22.40 | sysrage | wasn't running |
| 23:22.55 | shockbeta|work | Should be able to Noctys, not sure how it handles the text though. are each it's own label? |
| 23:22.55 | Aiiane | Noctys: not possible |
| 23:23.05 | shockbeta|work | guess not:p |
| 23:23.07 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 23:23.08 | Aiiane | color in chat window is determined entirely by filtertype |
| 23:23.25 | sysrage | meaning? |
| 23:24.06 | Noctys | OK, Is there a real easy way to change the filter type it uses? And is there a way to force that filter to show-up in their active window if they have it turned off? |
| 23:24.26 | sysrage | mt on that meaning... |
| 23:24.27 | Aiiane | to the first part, it's just the second argument to EA_ChatWindow.Print() |
| 23:24.39 | Aiiane | to the second part, no, nor should you |
| 23:25.22 | Noctys | If someone runs the "help" command I just want to print it in a diffrent color. The standard gray is hard to see if you have NPC chatter. |
| 23:25.39 | Aiiane | if someone runs the 'help' command they're probably looking closely for the output anyways. |
| 23:26.07 | sysrage | i see. it was an updated zmailmod that broke it, not the cache folder |
| 23:26.10 | Noctys | True... I'm just trying to make it easier. Being able to change the color would be easiest. |
| 23:26.50 | shockbeta|work | users are able to change the color of their filters, so really other then a user who hasn't changed that you have no idea what color it will print |
| 23:29.04 | Noctys | OK, another question. Is there an easy way to do an multi-part compare statement like: if (a == "one" or a == "two" or a == "three") --> to something like: if(a == "one" or "two" or "three") |
| 23:29.17 | shockbeta|work | no |
| 23:29.34 | Noctys | OK, just wanted to make sure. |
| 23:29.54 | Noctys | Thanks for putting up with my ignorace. ;P |
| 23:30.04 | shockbeta|work | lol n/p don't know unless you ask;) |
| 23:30.23 | shockbeta|work | That was common question in my programming lvl 1 class;) |
| 23:30.35 | NigelTufnel | oooo snap |
| 23:31.05 | shockbeta|work | Reason for it though, if you don't specify the compare those all evaluate to true |
| 23:32.51 | Noctys | =) |
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| 23:45.14 | Noctys | More questions. Does anybody know how to add non-default mouse-over information to part of a mods window? |
| 23:45.49 | shockbeta|work | mods window? |
| 23:46.33 | shockbeta|work | you can add info to any tooltip in the game if you know what tooltip it is using(generally defaultooltip) and the row to start at. |
| 23:47.59 | shockbeta|work | LabelSetFont( Tooltips.curTooltipWindow.."Row1Col1Text", "font_default_text", WindowUtils.FONT_DEFAULT_SUB_HEADING_LINESPACING ) |
| 23:48.31 | shockbeta|work | thats changing the curtooltip text and spacing for row1col1text |
| 23:48.36 | Noctys | What about something that doesn't have a tool-tip? |
| 23:48.47 | shockbeta|work | no tooltip at all? |
| 23:48.50 | Noctys | Yup. |
| 23:48.57 | shockbeta|work | so you want to add tooltip info to your addon? |
| 23:49.01 | Noctys | Yes |
| 23:49.15 | NigelTufnel | I would look at the systems method for tooltips or see something like snt_bar that has its own tooltips |
| 23:49.20 | shockbeta|work | WindowRegisterCoreEventHandler(XpRp.Rnw.name, "OnMouseOver", "WaaaghBar.XpRp.OnMouseOverRp") |
| 23:49.57 | shockbeta|work | first param is window name, second is event, third is function to call |
| 23:50.14 | Noctys | Sweet!!! Thanks |
| 23:50.15 | shockbeta|work | It gets tricky if you have two windows on top of each other |
| 23:50.30 | shockbeta|work | I assume you don't if oyu do though let me know and I'll tell you how to get that working as well |
| 23:51.07 | Noctys | If there are two ontop of each other it's the users fault for moving them that way. So I will fix it when the complain. :) |
| 23:51.17 | shockbeta|work | no no tlike that:p |
| 23:51.22 | shockbeta|work | I mean like in waaaghbar |
| 23:51.33 | shockbeta|work | you have the bar, plugin teh element in the plugin |
| 23:51.44 | Noctys | I know what you meant... I was just being an ass... About users doing stupid stuff with our mods. |
| 23:52.00 | NigelTufnel | ya, gotta code like a monkey is going to be setting it up =[ |
| 23:52.03 | shockbeta|work | eveyrhting is on top of each other. So the plugin takes precedence over waaghbar, but doesn't necesaarily allow mouseover on the elements. you have to WindowSetParent() for that |
| 23:52.19 | shockbeta|work | lol tha'ts true as well |
| 23:52.31 | shockbeta|work | I actually coded in a contextmenu that is "Somethings Broken" |
| 23:53.13 | shockbeta|work | then things I know a user will inevitably break there are code checks to verify if it's in that case, and returns a FixItfunction that the context menu points to so when they click it the plugin in question fixes itself |
| 23:58.34 | Thrae | Aiiane: Bleh. Spell cast that time. OK, let's disable the extra monitors and reboot... |
| 23:59.00 | NigelTufnel | what are you testing now for it thrae? |
