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| 01:03.30 | shockbeta | Hmm so I turned on funciton call logging, I have in the past as well.. it looks like only one of all teh addons I have is logging in the funciton calls for onupdate.. I don't recall it doing that before.. not a debug log, but the green function calls log you can tick |
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| 01:23.51 | art3mis | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html |
| 01:36.29 | shockbeta | not sure how to ask this one.. function MyAddon.What() SomeNewVar = 0; end is SomeNewVar local to that funciton or global to my class, or global to the game? |
| 01:38.24 | shockbeta | thinking stuff should always be tagged local or it's global... |
| 01:50.13 | Aiiane | global to the game |
| 01:50.19 | Aiiane | (from your example) |
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| 02:03.25 | shockbeta | ooops... thanks as always Aiiane |
| 02:09.44 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { a=5, b=6, c=7, d=8 }; pMyTable = mytable; pMyTable.a = 10; print(mytable); |
| 02:09.45 | lua_bot | shockbeta: table: 0x8082c28 |
| 02:10.07 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { a=5, b=6, c=7, d=8 }; pMyTable = mytable; pMyTable.a = 10; print(mytable); print(pMyTable) |
| 02:10.07 | lua_bot | shockbeta: table: 0x8082c38, table: 0x8082c38 |
| 02:10.31 | shockbeta | I modify one the other changes correct? |
| 02:10.41 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { a=5, b=6, c=7, d=8 }; pMyTable = mytable; pMyTable.a = 10; print(mytable.a); print(pMyTable.a) |
| 02:10.42 | lua_bot | shockbeta: 10, 10 |
| 02:10.45 | shockbeta | sweet |
| 02:19.39 | shockbeta | hmm another question about global.. what about the for i = 1,5 do end is i global? |
| 02:20.40 | slime | i imagine that lua treats it as a local because there is not much reason for it not to |
| 02:20.57 | slime | but you also have to remember that global and local in lua are sort of misnomers |
| 02:21.30 | slime | hmm |
| 02:21.31 | slime | lua> do x = 1 end do print(x) end |
| 02:21.32 | lua_bot | slime: 1 |
| 02:21.43 | slime | lua> function f() x = 1 end f() print(x) |
| 02:21.43 | lua_bot | slime: 1 |
| 02:22.14 | slime | well maybe i'm remembering wrong then |
| 02:23.20 | slime | lua> do for i = 1,5 do end end do print(i) end |
| 02:23.21 | lua_bot | slime: nil |
| 02:23.27 | slime | well there you go |
| 02:25.38 | shockbeta | lol thanks |
| 02:42.18 | Oscarr | i like your iconviewer addon shockbeta |
| 02:42.51 | shockbeta | got big ambitions for that thing |
| 02:43.27 | shockbeta | I want to make a "workspace" so you can create items on the fly and layer them that way you can see what it will look like in game without having to reloadui constantly |
| 02:43.49 | Oscarr | that'd be sweet |
| 02:44.14 | shockbeta | I started with the viewer, but that was going to be the attachment to the IconEditor.. Icon Editor gives you a thumbnail view of textures |
| 02:44.23 | shockbeta | then click an icon it opens it in the viewer. |
| 02:45.00 | shockbeta | then have a send to workspace button that would send it to the "workspace" window |
| 02:45.09 | Oscarr | nice |
| 02:45.23 | shockbeta | thats the plan/theory at least:p |
| 02:46.04 | shockbeta | What I need to figure out is a nice way to save the output so it's easy to move into an xml file |
| 02:48.38 | Oscarr | hehe |
| 02:50.46 | slime | you can probably just dump it all in a table and set the table as a savedvariable |
| 02:51.02 | slime | which gets turned into a lua file in user/interface/addonname |
| 02:51.59 | slime | you could either put strings in the table or distribute a separate script to translate a table to xml |
| 02:52.03 | shockbeta | Yeah, but it'd be cooler if you could dump to a txt file... |
| 02:52.25 | shockbeta | then you could dump it without the saved variable formatting |
| 02:52.31 | slime | you can create a log file with any name you want, but every line gets timestamped :/ |
| 02:52.47 | slime | those are the only two ways I know of to write data to disk |
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| 03:00.37 | Repo | 10teamplayer: 03alkrun * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial Commit of TeamPlayer Addon |
| 03:07.27 | Repo | 10teamplayer: 03alkrun 04v0.9 * r3 : Tagging for Beta |
| 03:07.32 | shockbeta | okay I have a weird question.. can I have two keys pointing to the same sub in a table? |
| 03:12.45 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { }; mytable["a"] = { }; mytable["a"].name = "me"; mytable["b"] = { }; mytable["b"].name = "you"; for i = 1, table.getn(mytable) do print(mytable[i].name) end |
| 03:12.46 | lua_bot | shockbeta: No output |
| 03:13.51 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { }; mytable["a"] = { }; mytable["a"].name = "me"; mytable["b"] = { }; mytable["b"].name = "you"; for k,v in pairs(mytable) do print(k,v) end |
| 03:13.51 | lua_bot | shockbeta: a, table: 0x8073840, b, table: 0x80738a8 |
| 03:14.02 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { }; mytable["a"] = { }; mytable["a"].name = "me"; mytable["b"] = { }; mytable["b"].name = "you"; for k,v in pairs(mytable) do print(k,v.name) end |
| 03:14.02 | lua_bot | shockbeta: a, me, b, you |
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| 03:19.09 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { }; mytable["a"] = { }; mytable["a"].name = "me"; mytable["b"] = { }; mytable["b"].name = "you"; for i,v in pairs(mytable) do print(i,v.name) end |
| 03:19.09 | lua_bot | shockbeta: a, me, b, you |
| 03:21.59 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { }; mytable["a"] = { }; mytable["a"].name = "me"; mytable["b"] = { }; mytable["b"].name = "you"; for i,v in pairs(mytable) do print(i,v.name) end print(table.getn(mytable)) |
| 03:21.59 | lua_bot | shockbeta: a, me, b, you, 0 |
| 03:38.21 | Repo | 10wsct: 03Grayhoof * r3 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 03:38.23 | Repo | wsct: Fixed Buff Type display. Fixed Alpha for large/smaller texts. |
| 03:41.10 | Repo | 10wsct: 03Grayhoof * r4 / (2 files in 1 directory): wsct: 1.21 commit |
| 03:41.58 | Repo | 10wsct: 03Grayhoof 04v1.21 * r5 : Tagging as v1.21. |
| 03:48.13 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { q=1,w=2,e=3 }; a,b,c = mytable; print(a,b,c) |
| 03:48.13 | lua_bot | shockbeta: table: 0x8082c08, nil, nil |
| 03:48.17 | shockbeta | ... |
| 03:48.44 | shockbeta | lua> mytable = { q=1,w=2,e=3 }; a,b,c = { mytable }; print(a,b,c) |
| 03:48.45 | lua_bot | shockbeta: table: 0x8073998, nil, nil |
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| 04:57.53 | zarious | ugh only level 30 |
| 04:58.11 | zarious | not sure i can hit 40 or get pretty close by the 1st |
| 04:58.28 | Aiiane | what's special about the 1st? |
| 04:58.46 | zarious | i start working full time again |
| 04:59.18 | quandary | tier3 = nightmare |
| 04:59.28 | quandary | heard t4 ain't much better |
| 04:59.33 | zarious | im glad to be able to do t4 |
| 04:59.48 | zarious | im in a really really really big guild, and most of them are in t4 |
| 05:00.06 | zarious | and solo grinding via scenarios past 3 from its cap is pretty horrible |
| 05:00.13 | quandary | how many people? |
| 05:00.30 | quandary | i've leveled almost strictly in scenarios |
| 05:00.30 | zarious | we had to start a second guild to invite new people |
| 05:01.05 | zarious | we disabled the ability to speak in /g for all ranks, and allianced with ou 'alt' guild |
| 05:01.05 | quandary | new ruleset: no pve/quests, no scenarios |
| 05:01.06 | quandary | wtb |
| 05:01.12 | Aiiane | eh |
| 05:01.13 | zarious | which you stay in the alt guild until 28 |
| 05:01.14 | Aiiane | it'd flop |
| 05:01.39 | Aiiane | whichever side had fewer people would get tired of getting zerged |
| 05:01.42 | Aiiane | and that'd be the end of it |
| 05:01.57 | quandary | toranrochammer online driving me crazy |
| 05:02.01 | quandary | can't stand questing |
| 05:02.03 | zarious | well this snl was ok, but not as good as last weeks |
| 05:03.44 | Aiiane | the main thing with open rvr is |
| 05:03.49 | Aiiane | everyone wants to have big battles |
| 05:03.58 | Aiiane | but noone wants to be on the side getting steamrolled by an enemy zerg |
| 05:04.53 | quandary | the game is extremely unbalanced.. order has way more healers and way more ranged, while destruction has way more players in general but gets rolled in scenarios |
| 05:04.56 | Aiiane | *open field rvr |
| 05:05.10 | quandary | something wrong when you enter a scenario and there is 7 bright wizards |
| 05:05.31 | quandary | but the other side of that is, the game wasn't based around scenarios |
| 05:05.35 | quandary | yet it's the best way to level |
| 05:06.02 | Aiiane | yet scenarios are actually the most balanced part of the game, by nature :) |
| 05:06.11 | quandary | losing tor anroc is better xp than any other method of leveling |
| 05:06.58 | Aiiane | imo, they should add an XP tick for assaulting/defending keeps |
| 05:07.09 | PenguinOfDoom | Can't blame the game for players being stupid :P |
| 05:07.12 | quandary | i thought there was |
| 05:07.16 | quandary | every couple minutes |
| 05:07.37 | Aiiane | nope. that's renown |
| 05:07.37 | PenguinOfDoom | Destro is very attractive to the retarded 13 year old child demographic |
| 05:07.53 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, well usually when people flock to a particular class it's because it's glorified or overpowered |
| 05:08.01 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, for sure. |
| 05:08.31 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, but I imo order's classes op destruction |
| 05:08.54 | quandary | wp, bw, rp |
| 05:09.07 | Aiiane | wp is not superior to dok really.... |
| 05:09.14 | Aiiane | and neither is runepriest really |
| 05:09.21 | Aiiane | bw > sorc, ill grant you that |
| 05:09.24 | Aiiane | and ib > most tanks |
| 05:09.32 | quandary | ib is ridiculous |
| 05:09.35 | quandary | the knockbacks |
| 05:09.48 | PenguinOfDoom | Doesn't destro have plenty of knockbacks? |
| 05:09.55 | PenguinOfDoom | Just don't see people using them. Probably lack of brains |
| 05:10.05 | quandary | afraid it's not that simple |
| 05:10.11 | PenguinOfDoom | Oh? |
| 05:10.30 | PenguinOfDoom | Do you have to pay $10 per knockback? Is there a puzzle? Is it bound to alt-shift-F9? |
| 05:10.53 | quandary | this is where I stop talking to you because you're acting like a 5 year old. |
| 05:11.17 | PenguinOfDoom | Well, hey, sulking beats explaining your random statements |
| 05:11.51 | quandary | how about you read about ironbreakers before pretending all tanks in the game are the same. |
| 05:12.05 | quandary | and all the knockbacks are the same |
| 05:12.10 | quandary | and all classes have an equal |
| 05:12.20 | shockbeta | Ib's mirror class for destro isnt' in yet |
| 05:12.34 | shockbeta | so technically it can't really be the same as others... |
| 05:12.35 | PenguinOfDoom | Again, why don't you explain how destro knockbacks are inferior? |
| 05:12.45 | quandary | shockbeta, exactly my point |
| 05:13.14 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, read the forums warhammeralliance is a good one |
| 05:13.14 | shockbeta | I'll give penguin a tank is a tank, but they do differ in abilities |
| 05:13.39 | PenguinOfDoom | quandary: I don't wish to dip into a cesspool of whining. Summarize, or quit whining. |
| 05:13.52 | PenguinOfDoom | You are worse than the bright wizard subforum |
| 05:14.04 | shockbeta | I actually dont' know how many knockbacks destro gets.. we get a lot of pull to's though:p |
| 05:14.12 | quandary | wait, so you bash forums and then reference them in your next statement, haha |
| 05:14.54 | PenguinOfDoom | You are really bad at this. I'm not asking for much. Why are destro knockbacks inferior to ironbreaker's? |
| 05:15.08 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, troll somewhere else. |
| 05:15.08 | PenguinOfDoom | It can't be that tough to explain, can it? |
| 05:15.57 | PenguinOfDoom | quandary: Whine about classes somewhere else, then |
| 05:16.40 | shockbeta | I beleive the problem with it is that they punt you a good distance away, and have a pretty good arc of effectiveness for it. |
| 05:17.12 | PenguinOfDoom | shockbeta: Are the spell/skill stats actually different or is this just observation? |
| 05:17.13 | shockbeta | but as I said I have no idea the destro knockbacks as I havent' seen them used, and my character is pretty low level since I started playing with addons right after getting the game. |
| 05:17.28 | shockbeta | I don't know but it seems they actually behave differently |
| 05:17.39 | quandary | shockbeta, don't bother explaining to this guy who is obviously too lazy to actually research the topic and just argues to argue |
| 05:17.45 | shockbeta | I know I've never seen a destro punt an order like an IB can |
| 05:18.03 | PenguinOfDoom | I've been punted plenty in T3. Sometimes the trajectory is amazing |
| 05:18.14 | PenguinOfDoom | quandary: Hey, you started the complaining. |
| 05:18.18 | shockbeta | yeah I'm middle of tier 2 so I don't know |
| 05:28.09 | shockbeta | hmm how do you make a really big tooltip... mine only lets me have 10 lins on it |
| 05:39.49 | PenguinOfDoom | So uh.. Anybody got any idea what the hell quandary was complaining about? Destro melee seems to be knocking people back all the time |
| 05:44.46 | Aiiane | Grass is greener |
| 05:45.44 | PenguinOfDoom | durr |
| 06:01.20 | quandary | http://www.wtamu.edu/~crobinson/Greener/greengrass.html |
| 06:02.05 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r64 / (8 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.4 for changeset 3a0555ef42a2 |
| 06:02.06 | Repo | CHANGED: The ability to use for range fading should now be automatically determined for all healing classes; you no longer need to set "rangefading-ability". |
| 06:02.13 | Repo | ADDED: Group leaders will now have their border colored with the color specified in the "leaderbordercolor" option. (Like groupbordercolor, this is superceded by hp/targeting color if relevant). |
| 06:05.29 | quandary | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135819 |
| 06:05.41 | quandary | 1. 10 second cooldown. |
| 06:05.41 | quandary | 2. 40% snare |
| 06:05.42 | quandary | 3. 20 foot radius for knockback + snare. |
| 06:05.42 | quandary | 4. 30 AP. |
| 06:06.15 | quandary | troll on. |
| 06:08.51 | PenguinOfDoom | Now find the same information about destro knockbacks, and we are all set |
| 06:09.02 | quandary | it's on the forums |
| 06:09.10 | quandary | there are only 9028423423 posts comparing knockbacks |
| 06:09.30 | PenguinOfDoom | and yet you found the one that doesn't |
| 06:09.34 | Aiiane | we could qq all day, or we could level out of t3 and the stupidity that is tor anroc |
| 06:09.48 | quandary | but instead of typing a few words into a search box you'd rather argue until your blue in the face even though you know nothing |
| 06:10.04 | quandary | Aiiane, i'll accept that. |
| 06:10.23 | quandary | t3 begone |
| 06:10.35 | PenguinOfDoom | Maybe if you were capable of making an argument stronger than "wah overpowered nerf nerf nerf"? |
| 06:11.29 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, you're a troll, you argue about subjects you know nothing about. it's that simple, i'd rather not debate a subject you have not even taken the time to research |
| 06:11.42 | PenguinOfDoom | You haven't taken the time to research it either |
| 06:11.59 | quandary | that's just not true. |
| 06:12.14 | PenguinOfDoom | Oh? Please provide a link to a comparison of order and destro knockbacks |
| 06:12.18 | quandary | lol |
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| 06:12.27 | quandary | please do all the work for me |
| 06:12.30 | quandary | so i can argue more |
| 06:12.31 | PenguinOfDoom | Come on. You've done the research, right? |
| 06:12.41 | PenguinOfDoom | Ah, wait, no, you are just aonther whining twat. |
| 06:12.56 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, wow, real mature. |
| 06:13.03 | Chryzo | morning |
| 06:13.16 | PenguinOfDoom | I mean I don't know, maybe chosen or whatever is a wet kitten who couldn't kick a paper ball further than three centimeters |
| 06:13.25 | PenguinOfDoom | (even though that's obviously not the case) |
| 06:13.39 | PenguinOfDoom | But all you've done so far is tell me how awesome IBs are |
| 06:13.55 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, i never said ironbreakers were awesome, once |
| 06:14.08 | PenguinOfDoom | 22:09 < quandary> ib is ridiculous |
| 06:14.08 | PenguinOfDoom | 22:09 < quandary> the knockbacks |
| 06:14.17 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, did i say "ib's are awesome?" |
| 06:14.19 | quandary | no. |
| 06:14.41 | quandary | you're just arguing with yourself now, making shit up as you go |
| 06:14.47 | PenguinOfDoom | You could provide some evidence to your complaints instead of getting into a semantics argument |
| 06:15.19 | PenguinOfDoom | How can you be so bad at this? |
| 06:15.42 | Chryzo | ib are annoying they got loads of crowd control in comparison to BO, but then I ain't 40 yet :) so i haven't checked if i get more :) |
| 06:15.50 | quandary | PenguinOfDoom, out of respect for the other people in the channel i'm not going to respond to you anymore, you can /msg if you want to troll some more |
| 06:16.17 | PenguinOfDoom | Ah, I guess I'll have to agree with Aiiane. Typical grass is greener syndrome. |
| 06:17.13 | Aiiane | honestly at this point I think you're both loons |
| 06:18.37 | PenguinOfDoom | Honestly, I was hoping to learn something about destro for the next I time I emorage and make an alt, but quandary went into internet olympics mode |
| 06:18.47 | PenguinOfDoom | :( |
| 06:19.01 | Aiiane | can you stop trying to get the last word in, and just let it go? |
| 06:19.03 | Aiiane | seriously |
| 06:19.23 | Aiiane | I feel like I'm on a third-grade playground or something |
| 06:19.41 | PenguinOfDoom | I'm absolutely serious. I want to know about destro knockbacks. I don't want to sift through hundreds of pages of a typical MMORPG forum. |
| 06:20.01 | Aiiane | wanting to learn has nothing to do with quandary |
| 06:20.05 | Aiiane | so my comment stands |
| 06:20.31 | PenguinOfDoom | He's obviously high interested in the matter, but I guess he won't be sharing information. |
| 06:20.36 | Aiiane | ... |
| 06:20.37 | PenguinOfDoom | sadness! |
| 06:20.43 | Aiiane | what part of "LET IT GO" do you not understand? |
| 06:23.28 | art3mis | http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=15469&pageNo=4 |
| 06:23.45 | art3mis | may not be yer guys cup of tea but it's a certainly funny forum thread |
| 06:25.06 | quandary | heh i played on that wow server |
| 06:25.34 | quandary | Archimonde |
| 06:26.27 | quandary | forum pictures so deceptive? |
| 06:28.01 | Chryzo | stupid q, but does the IB have a single target KB ? i can't find it in the ist of its abilities, i can only find a disability thingy |
| 06:28.11 | slime | yea |
| 06:28.17 | slime | they have a single target and an aoe |
| 06:28.39 | Chryzo | ah, found |
| 06:28.44 | Chryzo | away with ye |
| 06:28.48 | slime | yea |
| 06:29.33 | quandary | hard to decipher the propaganda on the forums |
| 06:30.10 | Chryzo | can't find the aoe lol |
| 06:30.16 | Chryzo | 6 CC though |
| 06:30.20 | PenguinOfDoom | Chryzo: Yes, single target plus a tactic that makes the AoE into a knockback. |
| 06:30.43 | PenguinOfDoom | The tactic is in the DPS mastery tree. Not sure how useful it is |
| 06:30.50 | PenguinOfDoom | http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1407 |
| 06:31.18 | quandary | the snares and roots in the game in general are out of hand imo |
| 06:31.28 | quandary | there are so many |
| 06:31.42 | quandary | half the time you are snared/rooted |
| 06:31.55 | Aiiane | only real way to balance on zergs |
| 06:31.59 | Aiiane | *balance out |
| 06:32.02 | PenguinOfDoom | psh |
| 06:32.08 | PenguinOfDoom | unless they are COMEDY CASTER ZERGS |
| 06:32.23 | Chryzo | oh, ok it is a tactic that allow it to be aoe |
| 06:32.53 | Chryzo | what i find annoying is the juggernaut ability of the BO and IB and maybe others |
| 06:32.56 | Chryzo | they are useless |
| 06:32.58 | PenguinOfDoom | Chryzo: No, rune-etched axe is already AoE. The tactic makes it a knockback. It's a tradeoff |
| 06:32.58 | Chryzo | you use it |
| 06:33.02 | Chryzo | you are rooted again |
| 06:33.10 | quandary | i don't think they should take the cc out of the game, mabye just calm it down a little |
| 06:33.13 | Chryzo | oh ok |
| 06:33.33 | Aiiane | quandary: in t4 it's nearly impossible to get a melee train off someone |
| 06:33.50 | PenguinOfDoom | I blame black orcs |
| 06:34.08 | PenguinOfDoom | Takes about 4 BWs to melt one if he's hitting someone |
| 06:34.28 | art3mis | the summation of the forums is that lax using innerspace made a multibox thingy you can essentially fully control from one console |
| 06:34.30 | Repo | 10qmt: 03Celestian * r17 QuickMailTool.lua: |
| 06:34.32 | Repo | corrected problem where buttons would not be removed when mailbox closed. |
| 06:34.43 | art3mis | the arguement past that was saying that one program was legal while alx's wasnt |
| 06:34.46 | art3mis | lax's |
| 06:34.59 | art3mis | because of his previous isxwarden and isxwow extentions for innerspace |
| 06:35.13 | art3mis | all in all its quite funny |
| 06:35.15 | Aiiane | remind me why we care |
| 06:35.25 | quandary | i was thinking a similar thought |
| 06:35.29 | Chryzo | what is the ability of the engineer of gathering all ennemy players on him ? |
| 06:35.40 | Aiiane | electromagnet |
| 06:35.44 | PenguinOfDoom | Aiiane: Clearly, art3mis is getting ready to roll with his 6 bright wizard macro troupe |
| 06:35.52 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:35.53 | Chryzo | thx |
| 06:36.07 | art3mis | i just thought it was funny and i was reading it so i thought i'd share |
| 06:36.13 | PenguinOfDoom | Supposedly, it got nerfed. The patch notes only mentioned the magus mirror, though |
| 06:36.19 | Chryzo | PenguinOfDoom: it will depend on specialization :) for the 4BW on the BO |
| 06:36.40 | Chryzo | but the BO i know have like 600 in Elemental defense upfront without the buffs :) |
| 06:36.47 | PenguinOfDoom | Chryzo: Immolation. If you don't have enough points in it to get stop, drop and roll, you are doing it wrong |
| 06:36.54 | PenguinOfDoom | and withering heat does corporeal :P |
| 06:37.29 | Chryzo | pfff i don't want to have any corporeal on my BO :) |
| 06:37.44 | Chryzo | i really need to check out all the abilities sometimes |
| 06:37.50 | Chryzo | but there is like 24 classes ... |
| 06:38.05 | PenguinOfDoom | Just roll one of each! |
| 06:38.20 | art3mis | nah theres only 3 classes |
| 06:38.23 | art3mis | zealots |
| 06:38.26 | art3mis | brigt wizards |
| 06:38.30 | art3mis | everything else |
| 06:38.44 | art3mis | i believe they're the Rabble Class |
| 06:38.51 | Chryzo | Rabble ? |
| 06:39.00 | art3mis | unwashed masses |
| 06:39.03 | art3mis | the angry mob |
| 06:39.05 | art3mis | etc |
| 06:39.26 | Chryzo | why ? |
| 06:39.28 | Chryzo | I like my BO |
| 06:39.33 | Chryzo | I just hate my latency |
| 06:39.35 | art3mis | cuz they arent bright wiards or zealots ;) |
| 06:39.43 | quandary | latency def an issue |
| 06:39.55 | art3mis | i like my wierd latency |
| 06:40.08 | art3mis | the one where the spell hits while the casting bar is still at 1 |
| 06:40.28 | quandary | i don't understand why they don't have servers spread into different parts of countries |
| 06:40.39 | quandary | it's really simple to remotely manage them |
| 06:40.40 | art3mis | expense |
| 06:40.56 | art3mis | dropping oc3's and shoring them up isnt a cheap task |
| 06:41.12 | quandary | oh, didn't think about the bandwidth issue |
| 06:41.17 | PenguinOfDoom | Renting two datacenters is more expensive than renting one datacenter |
| 06:41.25 | art3mis | on avwerage you're looking at close to 200k per location(not including servers and humans) |
| 06:41.35 | art3mis | just as setup |
| 06:41.53 | quandary | someone playing from west coast on east coast server is kind of a long way (in us) |
| 06:42.00 | art3mis | yup |
| 06:42.06 | art3mis | i expect they will expand |
| 06:42.23 | art3mis | but for a launch without an already setup presence its not fically smart |
| 06:42.32 | art3mis | think of how it would have been for AoC |
| 06:42.54 | art3mis | since thier playship dropped substantially |
| 06:43.19 | quandary | how much do you think it cost to develop war, in total from startup to game launch? |
| 06:43.31 | art3mis | coding hours? |
| 06:43.39 | quandary | everything |
| 06:43.41 | PenguinOfDoom | Millions of dollars, more likely |
| 06:43.50 | quandary | advertising, programming, everything |
| 06:43.52 | art3mis | prolly about 2-3mil or so |
| 06:43.55 | slime | $30-$50 mil |
| 06:44.05 | slime | is what you are looking at for a major mmo nowadays |
| 06:44.20 | Chryzo | and they can't even be finished on release :) |
| 06:44.25 | Aiiane | remote management isn't as simple as it sounds |
| 06:44.32 | art3mis | actually it is ;) |
| 06:44.35 | quandary | so if they had 100,000 purchasers of the game then 5,000,000.00$ |
| 06:44.37 | Aiiane | no, really, it's not |
| 06:44.43 | quandary | plus 15$ first month |
| 06:44.43 | art3mis | just not as cheap as it sounds |
| 06:45.38 | quandary | so they would basically double their money at launch |
| 06:45.41 | PenguinOfDoom | Aiiane: Depends on your servers, does it not? |
| 06:45.46 | art3mis | shrug i manage nyc data center in Long island houston and cali along with users (about 50 servers and 300 people) and roughly 900 clients remotely ;) |
| 06:45.48 | Aiiane | PenguinOfDoom: no, it really doesn't |
| 06:45.55 | art3mis | no real skin off my back |
| 06:46.07 | slime | what no they wouldn't double their money at launch |
| 06:46.17 | Aiiane | art3mis: yeah, that's great. now do it with three magnitudes of order more people |
| 06:46.41 | art3mis | the data and latency i deal with is at least 10000 times more improtant than some mmo ;) |
| 06:46.45 | PenguinOfDoom | With that much stuff, you are managing it remotely no matter whether it's sitting right next to you or not |
| 06:47.12 | quandary | slime, didn't they sell like 100 thousand copies of the game? |
| 06:47.24 | art3mis | its been rpetty fun over the last 2 months with the market being what it is |
| 06:47.29 | Aiiane | and by 100,000, you mean 750,000? |
| 06:47.31 | slime | supposedly 750k "registered accounts" |
| 06:47.46 | art3mis | but its almost totally remote |
| 06:47.50 | Aiiane | obviously not 750k concurrent users |
| 06:48.02 | Aiiane | but still a pretty good number |
| 06:48.06 | art3mis | the data that my 900 use is far greater than 750k users ;) |
| 06:48.08 | quandary | 750000 * $50.00 = 37,500,000 |
| 06:48.26 | art3mis | its kind of crazy |
| 06:48.27 | Aiiane | as if the developer sees all of the sticker price |
| 06:48.27 | Aiiane | hah |
| 06:48.28 | quandary | even if it fails it doesn't fail :) |
| 06:48.29 | slime | more like $20-$30 |
| 06:48.54 | art3mis | closer to 65mil |
| 06:49.00 | art3mis | lots of people sold out the CEs |
| 06:49.09 | art3mis | both launch and restock |
| 06:49.16 | quandary | i didn't really get why they tried to presell games until i bought aoc |
| 06:49.36 | quandary | and then i felt like someone just sold me a cooking spice in place of marijuana |
| 06:49.56 | PenguinOfDoom | Don't put weed on your meat pie |
| 06:50.06 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:50.14 | art3mis | but you got free ingame things! |
| 06:50.19 | art3mis | and 3 days headstart! |
| 06:50.23 | quandary | lol i know right |
| 06:50.27 | art3mis | to find out it sucked balls |
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| 06:53.52 | slime | aoc was allright in the low-mid levels really |
| 06:54.08 | quandary | i cancelled before my first free month was up |
| 06:54.12 | slime | same |
| 06:54.17 | quandary | almost did the same with war |
| 06:54.47 | quandary | think war has potential though, see where it goes i guess |
| 06:54.50 | slime | war has kept my attention longer than I thought it would |
| 06:55.09 | slime | i guess because i'm not doing the same thing every time i log in |
| 06:55.37 | art3mis | yeah |
| 06:55.43 | art3mis | i like it loads better than wow |
| 06:55.44 | PenguinOfDoom | endgame seems to be a gigantic carebear fest |
| 06:55.49 | quandary | the thing that pisses me off is that the people that created/marketed aoc/vangaurd still got my money |
| 06:55.55 | PenguinOfDoom | gotta do instances if you want your equipment to be competitive in PVP |
| 06:55.58 | quandary | and i want to burn their offices down |
| 06:56.10 | art3mis | i kind of miss instances though |
| 06:56.16 | slime | gold bag should be a guaranteed drop from keep raids |
| 06:56.20 | art3mis | like 5 man stuff |
| 06:56.29 | slime | it takes way too long to gear up doing pvp vs doing instances |
| 06:56.34 | PenguinOfDoom | art3mis: You are still bashing on dumb mobs according to a script |
| 06:56.41 | art3mis | heh and im getting kind of sick farming the pqs |
| 06:56.52 | art3mis | yeah |
| 06:57.09 | quandary | art3mis, yea i find myself wearing gear 10 levels old because i didn't do any pq's or pve quests |
| 06:57.11 | art3mis | but i suppose the difference is that i'd having something to do with my guild when i was bored of soloing ;) |
| 06:57.13 | PenguinOfDoom | I think maybe I'll just fine some appropriately-minded people and roam T3 and gank random people |
| 06:57.21 | PenguinOfDoom | Because that's entertaining and any sort of PvE isn't |
| 06:57.30 | art3mis | ya know what i dont like |
| 06:57.42 | art3mis | the chicken thing when you stumble into an rr area you're too big for |
| 06:57.54 | art3mis | specially if you have area quests in there |
| 06:57.57 | slime | i don't mind it |
| 06:57.59 | Aiiane | um |
| 06:58.04 | Aiiane | how do you 'stumble into' it |
| 06:58.07 | art3mis | the area quests part is what bugs me |
| 06:58.12 | PenguinOfDoom | Aiiane: RVR lakes, I assume |
| 06:58.15 | art3mis | not paying attention to the timer ;) |
| 06:58.18 | slime | there needs to be more of an effort to push people into the same area anyway |
| 06:58.23 | Aiiane | yes, but rvr lakes are pretty damn obvious |
| 06:58.23 | quandary | i don't mind the chicken thing, getting ganked by people 30+ levels higher than me pisses me off a little, ok a lot :) |
| 06:58.40 | PenguinOfDoom | Tier 4 RVR lakes are kinda... big |
| 06:59.02 | art3mis | its the quest part.. im glancing at the map to know where im going and poof suddenly iv'e got 3 seconds to backtrack 10seconds of ruinning ;) |
| 06:59.13 | Aiiane | the map has the rvr lakes marked... |
| 06:59.20 | art3mis | should give out the quest if you can phyiscally complete it because of level ;) |
| 06:59.36 | art3mis | not mine |
| 06:59.43 | art3mis | all quest spotys are reddish |
| 06:59.57 | art3mis | i dont pay attention past the reddish areas ;) |
| 07:00.00 | PenguinOfDoom | You just didn't notice the lakes |
| 07:00.09 | Aiiane | so basically |
| 07:00.17 | Aiiane | because you failed 2nd grade in not being able to tell orange from red |
| 07:00.24 | art3mis | i dont see that |
| 07:00.24 | Aiiane | the game needs fixing? |
| 07:00.28 | art3mis | i only see red |
| 07:00.30 | quandary | ouch |
| 07:00.45 | art3mis | the game needs fixing to NOT give out rvr quests to people well above the rvr area level |
| 07:01.03 | Aiiane | why are you even in the area with the questgivers when you're above the rvr area level? |
| 07:01.05 | slime | you could still complete the travel ones as a chicken |
| 07:01.21 | art3mis | im travelling around and seeing all the areas |
| 07:01.29 | art3mis | exp rewards are still decent |
| 07:01.35 | PenguinOfDoom | art3mis: Why do you need the game to hold your hand like that? |
| 07:01.44 | art3mis | its not like i did only the chaos areas til level 50 and then went wandering the little ones |
| 07:01.53 | slime | level 40 :P |
| 07:01.56 | art3mis | whatever |
| 07:01.58 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:02.16 | art3mis | PenguinOfDoom: cuz i hate abandoning quests ;) |
| 07:02.27 | Aiiane | so what you're saying is that you're a) too lazy to look for the rvr lakes b) too lazy to check and see if they're rvr quests, c) too lazy to spot the timer, d) too lazy to read your map, and e) too lazy to just deal with it |
| 07:02.38 | art3mis | not because they're too hard but because i cant physically finish them due to a game limitation |
| 07:02.53 | art3mis | aiiane: you can stop being a washed up cunt rag anytime |
| 07:03.01 | quandary | f) high |
| 07:03.09 | art3mis | i dont see the orange rvr lakes |
| 07:03.21 | art3mis | the timers i miss |
| 07:03.27 | art3mis | has nothing to do with lazy |
| 07:03.41 | art3mis | but since you're on about it, sure whatever floats yer boat |
| 07:04.10 | quandary | it's the number 23, that's what did it |
| 07:04.48 | art3mis | rvr quests also dont have levels on them |
| 07:04.51 | art3mis | no quests do |
| 07:05.04 | art3mis | so the only way i could find out if iw as too big would be to wander there |
| 07:05.13 | Aiiane | um |
| 07:05.15 | art3mis | so technically its the games fault for asking me to do it |
| 07:05.16 | Aiiane | the level ranges are zone based |
| 07:05.16 | PenguinOfDoom | Look, it's not like you are up against some cunning and wicked enemy |
| 07:05.21 | Aiiane | tier 1 is 1-11 |
| 07:05.25 | Aiiane | tier 2 is 12-21 |
| 07:05.31 | Aiiane | tier 3 is 22-31 |
| 07:05.31 | PenguinOfDoom | if you can't handle the quests in an optimal manner, perhaps there's a problem and it's not with the game |
| 07:05.34 | Aiiane | tier 4 is 32-40 |
| 07:05.36 | Aiiane | how is that hard |
| 07:05.55 | art3mis | i said it bugs me and i dont like it |
| 07:06.05 | art3mis | shrug |
| 07:06.19 | quandary | art3mis, i love you |
| 07:06.27 | art3mis | i know ;) |
| 07:06.42 | art3mis | optimal? |
| 07:06.48 | art3mis | its called exploring ;) |
| 07:07.03 | art3mis | its not a race so im having fun going everywhere |
| 07:07.36 | Aiiane | im seriously having trouble seeing how you don't know if you're "too big for it or not" when the only determination is based on the area |
| 07:07.40 | Aiiane | *pairing |
| 07:07.52 | Aiiane | which takes an entire loading sequence to change |
| 07:08.12 | art3mis | simple, i was level 11 headed to t1 elf place |
| 07:08.23 | art3mis | by your reasoning i should have been fine |
| 07:08.37 | art3mis | i dinged |
| 07:08.40 | quandary | honestly i didn't think it was that clear either except i do scenarios and it tells you that you can't join when you're too high |
| 07:08.48 | art3mis | does that mean i should instantly stop what im doing and flee the zone? |
| 07:09.06 | Aiiane | if you're doing rvr quests, yes? |
| 07:09.31 | art3mis | didnt know it was an rvr quest at the time NOR that i would be chickened as soon as i walked in |
| 07:09.41 | art3mis | if im level 20 |
| 07:09.48 | art3mis | and i wander to quest i9n some new palce i hadnt been |
| 07:09.58 | art3mis | and there's an area that i physically cant go to |
| 07:10.06 | art3mis | why should that quest show for me at all? |
| 07:10.35 | Aiiane | because it's not worth the ROI to program it differently? |
| 07:10.50 | quandary | it's kind of confusing until you figure it all out, there are 3 pairing areas, and then 2 areas for each tier in each pairing |
| 07:10.58 | art3mis | if goal_level < player level !display |
| 07:11.06 | art3mis | seems simple to me ;) |
| 07:11.25 | Aiiane | you wish it worked like that |
| 07:11.27 | Aiiane | it doesn't |
| 07:13.32 | Chryzo | stupid question regarding BO, where the heck does everybody sees that it gives stats to your own group ? |
| 07:13.50 | Aiiane | hm? |
| 07:13.55 | quandary | ? |
| 07:13.57 | Chryzo | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166563 |
| 07:14.11 | Chryzo | sorry |
| 07:14.15 | Chryzo | was speaking about Da Biggest |
| 07:14.18 | quandary | it's a buff |
| 07:14.23 | quandary | that heals |
| 07:14.29 | quandary | the bo |
| 07:14.30 | Chryzo | that is Da Toughest :) |
| 07:14.36 | quandary | oh oops |
| 07:14.39 | Chryzo | Da Biggest is the one that steals stats from other players |
| 07:14.47 | quandary | oh ok |
| 07:14.48 | Chryzo | but in that thread it says it gives those stats to the whole group |
| 07:14.55 | quandary | yea it has a chance to steal stats i think |
| 07:14.56 | Chryzo | but I can't find anywhere such a description |
| 07:15.08 | Chryzo | or I am missing a combination set |
| 07:15.12 | quandary | i have a bo i dont think it gives to whole group |
| 07:15.15 | slime | they say it is a tactic in that thread |
| 07:15.29 | slime | to give it to friendlies within 30ft |
| 07:15.31 | Chryzo | loudmouth is something else you get at rank 40 :) |
| 07:15.44 | Chryzo | oh right |
| 07:15.45 | Chryzo | found it |
| 07:15.47 | Chryzo | thanks :) |
| 07:15.52 | Chryzo | wasn't looking in the right place |
| 07:17.39 | Chryzo | still, 30 feet is small range |
| 07:18.27 | Aiiane | big enough for the melee train ;) |
| 07:18.29 | quandary | there's a lot of abilities like that, that seem to be sort of copiedpasted |
| 07:18.45 | quandary | take away blah action points, gain blah stat |
| 07:19.27 | quandary | do almost no damage, plus blah defense |
| 07:19.46 | quandary | take up space on your action bar, never use |
| 07:19.56 | Chryzo | i wonder if when you steel wounds it heals you too :) |
| 07:20.19 | slime | it better not or my squig armor had better start healing me :P |
| 07:21.03 | Aiiane | imo, Da Toughest should heal the BO when it's applied, but drop their current health as well as max when it's removed |
| 07:21.58 | quandary | bo seems pretty useless class to me so far, they do no damage, they can take more beating but any kind of focus fire they're dead |
| 07:22.18 | quandary | the other classes can just cc and or heal |
| 07:22.31 | Chryzo | quandary: da greenest should stack :) |
| 07:22.38 | Chryzo | thus focus fire would become useless against us :) |
| 07:23.03 | Chryzo | focus fire would just make us so though that in the end it would become useless haha :) |
| 07:23.12 | Chryzo | am gonna respec hehe |
| 07:25.51 | Chryzo | whoa, only 9:25 |
| 07:27.29 | Chryzo | shit, woke up at 8 on a sunday ... |
| 07:27.34 | Chryzo | this is crazy |
| 07:28.30 | quandary | i was waking up at 1am at one point |
| 07:28.36 | quandary | very dirty feeling |
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| 07:39.05 | Chryzo | don't like my new specialization lol |
| 07:42.29 | quandary | Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here |
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| 08:11.06 | Chryzo | definitly hate it |
| 08:19.04 | Aiiane | so change it :P |
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| 08:27.39 | Chryzo | nah |
| 08:27.43 | Chryzo | need to try it in pvp |
| 08:27.52 | Chryzo | doesn't seem to make a difference to other players :( |
| 08:27.59 | Chryzo | and a CTD in the middle of a scenario is annoying |
| 08:28.26 | Chryzo | haha |
| 08:28.34 | Chryzo | the patcher doesn't even want to be launched anymore |
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| 08:31.44 | Chryzo | some one remember what is the name of the help bubble that pops open near the clock of windows ? |
| 08:32.35 | Aiiane | the what what what? |
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| 08:37.15 | Chryzo | balloon tooltip^ |
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| 10:35.54 | Aiiane | ding 200 apothecary |
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| 10:45.21 | tom0 | hey folks, is it possible ot intercept chat messages you send before they are send? I want to convert every "a" with "<icon20065>", etc. :) |
| 10:45.25 | tom0 | to* |
| 10:46.07 | Aiiane | intercept them before they leave the chatbox? |
| 10:46.12 | Aiiane | (i.e. hook OnKeyEnter) |
| 10:46.25 | Aiiane | *ChatWindow.OnKeyEnter |
| 10:46.48 | tom0 | great, that will get me started |
| 10:46.50 | tom0 | thanks =) |
| 10:49.46 | Aiiane | (you can look at how LibSlash hooks it, you'd be doing basically the same thing) |
| 10:51.05 | Aiiane | night~ |
| 10:52.28 | tom0 | nn |
| 10:54.28 | Chryzo | CTD again |
| 10:54.30 | Chryzo | getting annoying |
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| 12:26.52 | Cronium | Has anyone created some kind of communication library yet? |
| 12:27.41 | Cronium | Or is secretly working on one and would let me steal codes :) |
| 13:12.03 | Cronium | Aiiane are you using a different texture to change the colours of your CleanCastBar? |
| 13:33.56 | Chryzo | you can use tint |
| 13:34.05 | Chryzo | or at least you could in beta :) |
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| 15:15.42 | tronned | ugh, why does refreshing text in labels cause text cut off, gr |
| 15:29.25 | shockbeta | labels to small? |
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| 15:36.11 | tronned | shockbeta: that's the weird thing, I'm debugging LabelGetTextDimensions between label updates (hpPercent) and it's not cut off, at a smaller width (height is the same) |
| 15:37.35 | tronned | and using autoresizewidth in the XML cuts off text for no apparent reason |
| 15:51.40 | tronned | hm, if i set the label with L"100%", then manually set it again, it changes the width, and says the label is cut off |
| 15:56.42 | tronned | ok, setting the label text to L"" and then setting it to the new health value works just fine |
| 15:56.45 | tronned | weirdness |
| 16:00.43 | tronned | whatev, it's fixed... moving on... |
| 16:02.15 | Cronium | Are all labels like that? |
| 16:02.25 | Cronium | Because I was trying for ages |
| 16:10.20 | tronned | it seems so |
| 16:10.30 | tronned | i am using the exact same function to update |
| 16:10.54 | tronned | looking at the LabelSetText func now |
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| 17:16.19 | zarious | can you not buy tome tactics still? |
| 17:26.16 | xd | you can |
| 17:26.37 | zarious | do you happen to know which part of altdorf? |
| 17:26.43 | zarious | thing says the library but i dunno where that is |
| 17:31.50 | shockbeta | IT's in the major city.. I found it at one point for destro |
| 17:31.57 | shockbeta | forget exactly where hold on |
| 17:31.58 | zarious | i found it ty |
| 17:33.03 | shockbeta | cool cause I can't remmeber for the life of me where ti was:p |
| 17:33.03 | shockbeta | lol |
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| 17:42.23 | Repo | 10miniworldmap: 03silverq * r12 / (3 files in 2 directories): added scenario mode, map filters |
| 17:43.17 | Repo | 10miniworldmap: 03silverq 041.4 * r13 : tagging as 1.4 |
| 17:53.57 | shockbeta | Anyone good with context menus? |
| 17:57.02 | shockbeta | nvm I understand what the last flag is now |
| 18:02.18 | Repo | 10verticalmorale: 03silverq * r2 / (4 files in 1 directory): Initial import |
| 18:05.54 | Repo | 10teamplayer: 03alkrun * r6 TeamPlayer.lua: More fixes for chat channels and settings. |
| 18:05.56 | Repo | Looks like we're 100% functional now, Finally got a group together, warband, etc... |
| 18:05.59 | Repo | 10verticalmorale: 03silverq 041.0 * r3 : Tagging as 1.0 |
| 18:11.56 | Repo | 10teamplayer: 03alkrun 04v0.92 * r7 : Fixes for default channel and channel as argument to macros |
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| 20:38.23 | Felyza | moo |
| 20:38.52 | Aiiane | squeak? |
| 20:39.08 | Felyza | time to help the new guildy set up vent |
| 20:42.10 | Repo | 10keepwatcher: 03Tsolval * r6 / (7 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:42.11 | Repo | Added the alert methods which display changes to keep status every minute. Added a configuration item to show all keeps or only those controlled by the user's realm. |
| 20:46.01 | Repo | 10keepwatcher: 03Tsolval 04v0.5 * r8 : Keep Watcher will now alert you of keep status changes! |
| 20:46.02 | Repo | You can now view changes to enemy controlled keeps as well as your own! |
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| 20:54.58 | gryzvwald | got a question for anyone on. anyone know how to hide a layout editor window? WindowSetShowing() doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 20:56.54 | Aiiane | LayoutEditor.UnregisterWindow ? |
| 20:57.00 | Aiiane | if you want to truly remove it, that is |
| 20:57.03 | gryzvwald | i'll give it a shot. |
| 20:57.11 | gryzvwald | yeah stuff like the endcap windows. |
| 21:31.43 | art3mis | wow thunderchild is fast! |
| 21:31.54 | art3mis | he knew 29 seconds ebfore i did that i was gonna ping him |
| 21:32.08 | art3mis | ctcp: ping reply from Thunder_Child: -29 seconds |
| 21:32.34 | art3mis | ctcp: ping reply from Odlaw: 36 minutes 15 seconds |
| 21:32.40 | art3mis | ^^ even more impressive |
| 21:32.56 | art3mis | it was between two 1 second responses |
| 21:33.39 | benny` | well, you send your time with you... so a ping is not very awesome :-P |
| 21:34.23 | art3mis | shhhh |
| 21:34.31 | art3mis | they're time travelling! |
| 21:35.05 | benny` | occam's razor says no! |
| 21:35.06 | benny` | :-D |
| 21:35.18 | art3mis | occam hasnt used his razor in weeks |
| 21:35.25 | art3mis | he's looking a little unabomerish |
| 21:54.30 | shockbeta | So ... MyAddon = { }; then I have settings I want to save... Is it best practice to do MyAddon.Settings; or local MyAddonSettings; ? |
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| 22:01.12 | zarious | w/e you wanna do |
| 22:01.20 | zarious | mine are all MyAddon.SavedVars = {} |
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| 22:08.40 | Fal` | uh Aiiane you here? |
| 22:08.46 | Aiiane | ? |
| 22:08.58 | Fal` | the lastest update on squared has on odd problem for me |
| 22:09.09 | Fal` | it doesn't follow where I put it in layout editor |
| 22:09.43 | Fal` | it changes sizes when I change the anchor size |
| 22:09.43 | Aiiane | did you just update? |
| 22:09.45 | Fal` | yah |
| 22:09.48 | Aiiane | restart WAR |
| 22:10.02 | Fal` | I didn't reloadui |
| 22:10.06 | Fal` | it was closed when I installed it |
| 22:10.38 | Aiiane | yes, I know |
| 22:11.11 | Noctys | Any good places out there to learn how to make layout xml files??? I can't seem to figure out how to get it to do what I want. |
| 22:11.27 | Fal` | k i'll restart |
| 22:16.16 | Fal` | still doing it Aiiane |
| 22:18.10 | Aiiane | hm |
| 22:18.28 | Aiiane | try resetting to Squared to its default settings then Fal` |
| 22:23.01 | Fal` | I tried to find that command, where it it Aiiane ? |
| 22:23.13 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.38 | Fal` | that should be on the settings page imo |
| 22:23.46 | Aiiane | It will be at some point |
| 22:24.38 | Fal` | heh |
| 22:24.43 | Fal` | thanks for the help |
| 22:24.48 | Fal` | any idea what caused that/ |
| 22:24.50 | Fal` | ? |
| 22:25.09 | Aiiane | nope. the layout editor and modsettings.xml is quirky sometimes |
| 22:30.07 | Fal` | Aiiane, just noticed your testmode doesn't test buffs |
| 22:30.13 | Fal` | that would be a nice addition |
| 22:30.54 | Aiiane | maybe at some point |
| 22:31.29 | Fal` | how does the auto detect range fading work? |
| 22:31.51 | Fal` | just figures out your class then uses a specific ability for the class? |
| 22:35.27 | Fal` | crap, Aiiane, where do you change the text size for the names? |
| 22:36.51 | Aiiane | text-font-center ? |
| 22:38.17 | Fal` | thats not how I did it before |
| 22:38.24 | Fal` | you must have changed how that worked |
| 22:38.37 | Fal` | cause I had my things set smaller, but not with the font |
| 22:39.05 | Aiiane | do you have a namelength set? |
| 22:39.10 | Aiiane | to truncate names to a certain length |
| 22:40.06 | Aiiane | oo, that might be something... |
| 22:42.20 | Aiiane | no wonder people were having issues with font sizes |
| 22:42.25 | Aiiane | how'd that go missing |
| 22:46.36 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r66 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.4.1 for changeset ce1f45f246cb |
| 22:46.37 | Repo | Add back in the default setting for 'namelength' which had gone missing. Oops! |
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| 23:03.50 | Fal` | eh Aiiane ? |
| 23:04.48 | Fal` | my namelength is set to 10, but it's still trunkcating a name at 6 characters |
| 23:05.35 | Aiiane | how big is the name in the square? |
| 23:05.48 | Aiiane | it'll truncate it anyways if it'd not fit |
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| 23:34.47 | shockbeta | hmm... uhmm.. I either can't' remember or I never knew how.. but how do you get a handle to a window with it's name? |
| 23:35.22 | shockbeta | for isntance... I have a combobox declared in xml... I have it's name, how do I get the instance of it in code so I can use it? |
| 23:35.37 | shockbeta | I.e. Combobox.AddTable(); |
| 23:37.46 | shockbeta | wait.. nvm GetFrame() I think |
| 23:46.49 | Fal` | Aiiane, how can I make a long name fit into the box? |
| 23:47.00 | Aiiane | define long? |
| 23:47.02 | Fal` | I've changed the font smaller and the names still don't fit |
| 23:47.06 | Fal` | like 10 characters |
| 23:47.11 | Aiiane | how big is your box |
| 23:47.13 | Fal` | it use to fit before I reset settings |
| 23:47.16 | Aiiane | (what's boxwidth) |
| 23:47.31 | Fal` | 50 |
| 23:47.46 | Fal` | but I had boxes the same size before and they fit |
| 23:48.04 | Fal` | I just reset it to solve that update issue and I can't find the setting again |
| 23:48.16 | Aiiane | you could make boxwidth/boxheight bigger and then scale the entire thing down via the layout editor? |
| 23:49.11 | Fal` | but that wasn't what I did before |
| 23:49.31 | Fal` | I made it fit before with some text size setting |
| 23:49.37 | Fal` | but that doesn't seem to exsist anymore |
| 23:49.57 | Aiiane | um, there's never been a text size setting |
| 23:51.13 | Aiiane | you can check the entire changelog back to 1.0 |
| 23:54.00 | Fal` | it seems wierd that it fit before, but now I can't make it fit after I reset squared |
| 23:55.19 | Aiiane | do you have a screenshot of your squared setup before? |
| 23:57.03 | Aiiane | also, Fal`, did epileptic-gaming go poof? |
| 23:57.12 | Fal` | the forum did |
| 23:57.18 | Fal` | there was some edrama |
| 23:57.31 | Aiiane | ah, k |
| 23:57.34 | Fal` | the guy that owns/runs it got really pissed at a guy and took down the site |
| 23:57.36 | Fal` | and left the game |
| 23:57.49 | Aiiane | kuntz? |
| 23:57.52 | Fal` | yah |
| 23:57.57 | Aiiane | heh |
| 23:58.04 | Fal` | I wasn't there for it, but he was really angry |
| 23:58.20 | Fal` | but we are always on our vent server, and we are rebuilding forums |
| 23:58.51 | netcurse | http://wow.curseforge.com/announcements/news-flash-incoming-improvements-to-the-curse-client/ |