| 00:02.51 | WobWork | grump |
| 00:03.09 | WobWork | I should write a greasemonkey script that puts all warhammer herald announcements in AEST |
| 00:04.54 | Repo | 10zalertlib: 03zMod * r2 zAlertLib.lua: initial upload; basic timers/alerts function |
| 00:04.55 | Repo | code needs major work, very much alpha |
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| 00:06.05 | zarious | ps who was looking for statusbar textures earlier? |
| 00:07.02 | zarious | i've been going through all the textures and creating a table of dynamicimage data needed to create 'statusbar' like structures, got quite a few options |
| 00:07.35 | WobWork | put them up on the wiki! =) |
| 00:07.38 | WobWork | with screenshots =) |
| 00:07.50 | WobWork | I keep intending to do that with the fonts |
| 00:08.08 | zarious | once i get it complete, i've only got like 24 atm, and im not even 1/4 through the biggest one EA_HUD_01 |
| 00:08.32 | zarious | im doing ones that prob wont be used as well, ie dark textures, some vertical ones, etc |
| 00:10.27 | zarious | http://waruidev.pastey.net/98899 <--thats what i have so far, theres a crapload of things in all the games images that can be used as textures |
| 00:10.56 | zarious | that'll prob be over 50 b/f im finished just from glancing over things i think are usable |
| 00:14.01 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker * r7 TomeTracker.mod: |
| 00:14.02 | Repo | Commenting out parts unnecessary for Kill Tracker Window to publish a complete initial alpha and temporarily remove the dependencies to LibSurveyor and LibDateTime while future components are finished |
| 00:15.53 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker 04initial-alphav0.1.1 * r8 : Proper inital alpha release |
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| 00:27.25 | zarious | ffs....."Did you know you're playing on a High population server when you could be on XXXXX which is low pop and awesome?!" STFU |
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| 00:28.09 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:28.22 | WobWork | Mythic's tactics for spreading the population |
| 00:28.36 | WobWork | "If you play on a high pop server, you're just NOT COOL" |
| 00:35.09 | zarious | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/zalertlib/images/2-alpha-demo/ it needs some work, but its coming along |
| 00:35.34 | zarious | doing animation functions with the scaling crap is annoying |
| 00:39.13 | Aiiane | why? |
| 00:39.42 | zarious | because i like just being able to set something to x,y and expect it to be at x,y |
| 00:40.15 | Aiiane | define this then |
| 00:40.19 | zarious | not at 75% of x,y |
| 00:40.44 | zarious | i got most of it figured out, but it was bugging me while i was doing the animation movement functions until i figured out wtf was going on |
| 00:40.52 | Aiiane | a local function that takes x,y and calls the original function with x/InterfaceCore.GetScale(), y/InterfaceCore.GetScale() |
| 00:41.22 | zarious | ive been using GetResolutionScale b/c im not sure if im gonna care if they scale their ui, but i guess i can look into it |
| 00:42.02 | zarious | aight, naptime |
| 00:54.30 | Repo | 10scstats: 03Sores * r6 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 00:54.31 | Repo | Now fully working, but still alot of tweaks & changes to be done. |
| 00:58.20 | Repo | 10scstats: 03Sores * r7 ScStats.mod: Fixed typo |
| 00:59.43 | Repo | 10scstats: 03Sores 04v0.2 * r8 : Tagging |
| 01:02.51 | Sores | can one somehow change the settings, so the packaged file is downloadable at curseforge, think i put some wrong settings when i created the repo |
| 01:05.00 | WobWork | you can change the settings in edit repo |
| 01:05.10 | Sores | hmm doesn't seem so |
| 01:05.27 | Sores | or mayby i can, haven't found edit repo |
| 01:05.35 | Sores | only edit proj |
| 01:06.53 | Sores | Where can i get to edit the repository itself? |
| 01:07.16 | WobWork | the repository tab? |
| 01:07.36 | WobWork | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/scstats/repositories/mainline/ |
| 01:08.08 | WobWork | also, it -is- putting the files to cf |
| 01:08.16 | WobWork | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/scstats/files/6-v0-2/ |
| 01:09.42 | Sores | it is now downloadable from curse at least, dont think any other users can dl it from curseforge though |
| 01:09.46 | Sores | but thats ok |
| 01:09.57 | WobWork | ^ |
| 01:10.06 | WobWork | is that link not to the file you just released? |
| 01:10.24 | Sores | Indeed |
| 01:10.34 | WobWork | so it -is- on cf |
| 01:10.54 | Sores | Great :) |
| 01:12.42 | Repo | 10lib_surveyor: 03Nevir27 * r19 EventHandlers.lua: Whoops. checked in some spammy debug messages |
| 01:31.19 | Repo | 10lib_surveyor: 03Nevir27 04v0.1.7 * r20 : checked in some spammy debug messages |
| 01:44.07 | Repo | 10cowboy-focus: 03Cowboy * r11 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 01:44.08 | Repo | added "target or self" targeting mode: if you've targeted yourself, target your focus - otherwise target yourself (toggle) |
| 01:49.00 | Repo | 10cowboy-focus: 03Cowboy 04v0.4 * r12 : Tagging as v0.4. |
| 01:56.27 | `Zypher | lua> print(string.format("%.f", 10.1)) |
| 01:56.28 | lua_bot | `Zypher: 10 |
| 01:56.39 | `Zypher | lua> print(string.format("%.f", 12.100)) |
| 01:56.40 | lua_bot | `Zypher: 12 |
| 01:58.15 | `Zypher | lua> print(string.format("%f", 12.100)) |
| 01:58.16 | lua_bot | `Zypher: 12.100000 |
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| 02:00.13 | bloodwalker | Hey all |
| 02:01.07 | bloodwalker | curse client question for development... how do I make sure the client doesnt overwrite my addon development files with the released version? |
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| 02:08.14 | chrixian | configuration -> advanced options |
| 02:09.09 | bloodwalker | I saw that but I havent been able to find anything that explains how it works.. is it global or per addon or something entirely different |
| 02:10.07 | chrixian | to be honest-- thats as much as i can tell you since i don't have any addons in my directory that i'm working and would be on curse |
| 02:11.02 | chrixian | i'm going to assume since it logs you into curse.. and it says "for developers" next to it that it knows projects you're assigned to as developer.. and won't auto update that addon |
| 02:11.26 | bloodwalker | thats alot of guessing :) |
| 02:12.14 | chrixian | lol i'm the king of speculation |
| 02:13.53 | WobWork | it's per addon |
| 02:14.02 | WobWork | then right click the addon in your list |
| 02:14.10 | WobWork | and select "do not autoupdate" |
| 02:14.19 | WobWork | or something |
| 02:15.28 | bloodwalker | ok so whats the one in the config menu under advanced? |
| 02:19.46 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker * r9 TomeTracker.mod: Remove comments from .mod |
| 02:20.38 | bloodwalker | the bot spits out my commits if Im in irc? |
| 02:33.59 | VonhintenHOME` | How do I force Curse Client to repull addons? I removed them all by hand and it's oblivious to that fact |
| 02:37.47 | VonhintenHOME` | nm... non-intuitive interface... |
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| 03:25.30 | Aiiane | VonhintenHOME`: I have that dimensions fix ready to push, I'm just stalling on pushing it v.v |
| 03:27.22 | thanners|afk | thanners|afk -- idle : 3 days 16 hours 58 mins 5 secs |
| 03:27.23 | thanners|afk | heh. |
| 03:27.26 | thanners|afk | 'morning all |
| 03:34.27 | thanners | I'd been scrolled up, and was reading some past IRC conversation.. then I realised I didn't even know what _day_ it was from. |
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| 03:42.43 | art3mis | dont feel bad thanners |
| 03:42.50 | art3mis | most of feel that way reading it live |
| 03:43.30 | thanners | heheh |
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| 04:01.02 | Felyza | this is fun, i found a 'body' gear for my toon that is broken and looks like pasties |
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| 04:09.58 | art3mis | hah nice |
| 04:14.09 | Aiiane | .. |
| 04:38.36 | `Zypher | america |
| 04:38.37 | `Zypher | fuck ya |
| 04:39.48 | Repo | 10huduf: 03Metaphaze * r14 / (9 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 11 lines) |
| 04:39.49 | Repo | Ticket: 3 |
| 04:39.54 | Repo | Ticket: 6 |
| 04:40.00 | Repo | Ticket: 11 |
| 04:40.06 | Repo | Ticket: 13 |
| 04:40.43 | Thrae | Weee, 50 auction pieces...OK, I'm in 10/1000 minutes. |
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| 04:53.55 | shockbeta | What is a common key modifier for uniform scaling ctrl? alt? |
| 05:02.11 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","some-(.*) )) |
| 05:02.12 | lua_bot | shockbeta: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 05:02.16 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","some-(.*)" )) |
| 05:02.18 | lua_bot | shockbeta: e-thing |
| 05:02.21 | shockbeta | ... |
| 05:03.25 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","(.*)-(.*)^" )) |
| 05:03.26 | lua_bot | shockbeta: nil |
| 05:03.36 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","(.*)-(.*)" )) |
| 05:03.37 | lua_bot | shockbeta: some, thing |
| 05:03.45 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","^(.*)-(.*)" )) |
| 05:03.46 | lua_bot | shockbeta: some, thing |
| 05:04.04 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","(.-)-(.*)" )) |
| 05:04.05 | lua_bot | shockbeta: some, thing |
| 05:04.10 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","(.-)-(.-)" )) |
| 05:04.10 | lua_bot | shockbeta: some, |
| 05:04.39 | sysrage | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","some\-(.*)" )) |
| 05:04.39 | lua_bot | sysrage: e-thing |
| 05:04.40 | Thrae | - is a meta character, so it needs to be escaped with % |
| 05:04.46 | sysrage | oh % |
| 05:04.52 | sysrage | lua> print(string.match("some-thing","some%-(.*)" )) |
| 05:04.52 | lua_bot | sysrage: thing |
| 05:04.54 | sysrage | i was close :) |
| 05:05.27 | shockbeta | ... thanks |
| 05:05.28 | shockbeta | lol |
| 05:07.14 | shockbeta | 00lua> print(string.match("something","some%-(.*)" ))01 |
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| 05:07.44 | shockbeta | ... lua_bot doesn't like me anymore... |
| 05:08.12 | sysrage | you put some funky bold or color codes or something on that. |
| 05:08.57 | shockbeta | lua> print(string.match("something","some%-(.*)" )) |
| 05:08.57 | lua_bot | shockbeta: nil |
| 05:09.04 | shockbeta | copy paste FTL.... |
| 05:09.06 | shockbeta | lol |
| 05:17.15 | Repo | 10wsct: 03Grayhoof * r2 / (15 files in 4 directories): wsct: Initial Import |
| 05:24.24 | Aiiane | yeah, trillian copy/pastes color codes oddly |
| 05:24.39 | Aiiane | one of the reasons why I switched away from it |
| 05:27.33 | shockbeta | Aiiane what modifier are you used to click drag to scale uniformly? I think it's alt a lot in programs |
| 05:28.04 | Aiiane | um, really depends on the program |
| 05:39.59 | `Zypher | I like eggs |
| 05:43.39 | Aiiane | ...k? |
| 05:43.53 | Repo | 10theseeker: 03beeblebrox42 07future * r33 : |
| 05:43.54 | Repo | Major revision branch line for future changes that would prevent quicker changes into trunk. |
| 05:46.10 | `Zypher | Aiiane: don't question my insanity :P |
| 05:46.18 | Repo | 10theseeker: 03beeblebrox42 07future * r34 theseekr.xml: |
| 05:46.19 | Repo | start of an options menu. However it is very broken now. Using JunkDump profession skills window as a starting template as a guideline. This is stuff never meant for production. |
| 05:46.46 | shockbeta | if I'm in a function and do local data = { name="me", num=2 } .... then inside that function MyAddon.SoeotherFunction(data) .. would data not be valid? |
| 05:47.13 | Aiiane | you can pass local vars as arguments |
| 05:47.30 | shockbeta | hmm.. must be something else then...indexing nil value in the funciton I'm passing it to |
| 05:48.33 | shockbeta | and that I was... SomeData != someData.... lol |
| 06:06.04 | PenguinOfDoom | How do coordinates work? The map screen has 5 digit coordinates, waaaghbar has completely different coordinates, and wardb commenters are smoking an entirely different set |
| 06:08.48 | `Zypher | PenguinOfDoom: its brokeded |
| 06:08.48 | PenguinOfDoom | durr |
| 06:08.48 | `Zypher | PLAYER_POSITION_CHANGED gives X,Y |
| 06:08.48 | shockbeta | so if oyu search projects on curseforge can you notl imit to game? |
| 06:08.48 | shockbeta | libsurveyor |
| 06:08.50 | `Zypher | those are the ones curse uses |
| 06:09.04 | `Zypher | waaghbar jsut subs it down to like two digits |
| 06:09.11 | `Zypher | and the world map is broken |
| 06:09.15 | shockbeta | every place I've seen coords is how they are on simplexy |
| 06:09.34 | PenguinOfDoom | broken how? map coordinates are consistent between players |
| 06:10.29 | `Zypher | PenguinOfDoom: I mean you can't give the x,y from position changed to the function the world map uses to get the mouse position relative to that map |
| 06:10.39 | `Zypher | aka |
| 06:10.49 | `Zypher | broken |
| 06:10.53 | PenguinOfDoom | Why not? Surely it's just an affine transformation? |
| 06:11.10 | `Zypher | it won't work |
| 06:11.11 | `Zypher | idk why |
| 06:12.31 | `Zypher | but why wont my BetterCC addon work properly :( |
| 06:13.58 | PenguinOfDoom | 8ball say: user error |
| 06:14.16 | `Zypher | haha |
| 06:14.20 | `Zypher | it works kinda |
| 06:14.24 | `Zypher | just you wait! |
| 06:15.23 | `Zypher | it works if I use it on the icon itself |
| 06:15.25 | `Zypher | but my own icon |
| 06:15.28 | `Zypher | doesn't work :( |
| 06:16.43 | `Zypher | perhaps |
| 06:16.47 | `Zypher | its aids |
| 06:18.36 | Aiiane | `Zypher: it's not broken |
| 06:18.45 | Aiiane | you're trying to use it for something it wasn't intended to be used for |
| 06:18.57 | Aiiane | it's like trying to use an apple corer to get the seeds out of a grape |
| 06:19.02 | Aiiane | and saying that its broken when it fails |
| 06:20.39 | shockbeta | Canz my icon viewer project get approved? |
| 06:21.19 | shockbeta | I know there's texture viewer, but I don't like that one. mine lets you iterate over all the icons by indexing through.. |
| 06:21.27 | `Zypher | Aiiane: that was mean :( |
| 06:21.42 | Aiiane | no |
| 06:21.45 | Aiiane | it was the truth |
| 06:21.49 | Aiiane | the function you want to use |
| 06:21.59 | Aiiane | is the one that it uses to translate a MOUSE position into a map position |
| 06:22.06 | Aiiane | mouse position is based on screen coordinates |
| 06:22.12 | Aiiane | you're trying to feed it world coordinates |
| 06:22.18 | Aiiane | and being perplexed when it doesn't work |
| 06:22.32 | `Zypher | Aiiane: no I'm not |
| 06:22.37 | `Zypher | I stopped working on that a long time a go |
| 06:22.44 | `Zypher | thats not even what I'm talking about |
| 06:22.47 | `Zypher | >.> |
| 06:23.07 | shockbeta | burn! |
| 06:23.12 | shockbeta | lol sorry coudln't resist |
| 06:23.13 | shockbeta | lol |
| 06:23.58 | `Zypher | Aiiane: I still luff you tho |
| 06:24.12 | Aiiane | </3 |
| 06:24.21 | `Zypher | :( |
| 06:25.38 | shockbeta | lol |
| 06:25.57 | `Zypher | she's so mean to me |
| 06:26.03 | `Zypher | I dunno what I did |
| 06:30.58 | `Zypher | Aiiane: what did I do to deserve your hate? |
| 06:31.21 | shockbeta | how you like that for my IconViewer image... lol http://war.curseforge.com/projects/iconviewer/images/1-icon-viewer-v1-0/ |
| 06:31.28 | shockbeta | Waaaaaagh!!!!! |
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| 07:04.05 | `Zypher | Aiiane: you awake still? |
| 07:04.34 | Aiiane | nop, just talking in my sleep |
| 07:04.35 | Aiiane | what's up? |
| 07:04.52 | `Zypher | well |
| 07:04.54 | `Zypher | when you use |
| 07:05.01 | `Zypher | WindowAddAnchor it anchors to whatever window |
| 07:05.14 | `Zypher | is there a way to clear parent tho? |
| 07:05.15 | `Zypher | aka |
| 07:05.21 | `Zypher | I want it relative to taht window |
| 07:05.34 | `Zypher | but to remove it as parent( it is already parented by mythic) |
| 07:05.46 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 07:05.59 | Thunder_Child | ....*sigh* |
| 07:06.13 | WobWork | ~boogie |
| 07:06.13 | purl | ACTION dances like he used to in those dancing freakouts back in the old days |
| 07:06.20 | WobWork | he? =P |
| 07:06.36 | Aiiane | set the parent to root, `Zypher? |
| 07:06.39 | Thunder_Child | purl has gender issues....you know this man |
| 07:07.24 | `Zypher | Aiiane: I just tried that |
| 07:07.27 | `Zypher | let me see if it works |
| 07:07.29 | WobWork | ~gender |
| 07:07.30 | purl | I'm female |
| 07:08.08 | `Zypher | yay |
| 07:08.10 | `Zypher | works |
| 07:08.58 | `Zypher | BetterCC = win? |
| 07:09.08 | Aiiane | maybe purl is like Alice: http://www.gcgstudios.com/store/prints/full/092007.jpg |
| 07:09.55 | Thunder_Child | alice has a rather odd stance |
| 07:10.29 | PenguinOfDoom | Alice's armor merchant could use some tips |
| 07:10.44 | `Zypher | Aiiane: I don't know what to say. |
| 07:10.51 | Thunder_Child | ya, like obviously not enough flesh is being shown |
| 07:12.57 | Aiiane | http://www.comedity.com/index.php?strip_id=147 |
| 07:13.03 | gryzvwald | lot a chaffing going on in that pic |
| 07:13.34 | Aiiane | alice is a computer :P no need to worry about that :P |
| 07:13.58 | gryzvwald | heh |
| 07:13.58 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 07:13.59 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> (*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 07:14.05 | Aiiane | also, my favoritest strip from that comic |
| 07:14.06 | Aiiane | http://www.comedity.com/index.php?strip_id=151 |
| 07:14.20 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 07:14.21 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 07:14.29 | Thunder_Child | stupid esc char |
| 07:15.07 | Thunder_Child | ~kitty Aiiane |
| 07:15.14 | Thunder_Child | ~kitty |
| 07:15.15 | purl | from memory, kitty is OMGKITTYCATMEWMEWMEWMEW |
| 07:15.29 | Aiiane | ^_^ |
| 07:15.31 | gryzvwald | anyone know if the World of Warcraft Programming book would be an okay book to get familiar with LUA and WAR addons? I have for a long time just modified a line or two here in all the addons I use to my own tastes. I am a failed CS major :), start up companies suck btw hehe. |
| 07:16.20 | Thunder_Child | ~kitty Aiiane |
| 07:16.21 | purl | ACTION throws a kitty at Aiiane |
| 07:16.31 | gryzvwald | LOL sometimes I feel certain that a computer really is acting that way :) |
| 07:16.46 | Aiiane | um |
| 07:16.55 | Aiiane | in terms of general lua concepts, it'd probably be somewhat similar |
| 07:17.06 | Aiiane | I don't know exactly how much of the book is devoted to what though |
| 07:17.19 | Aiiane | if a lot of it is based around the WoW frame system, then it wouldn't translate very well |
| 07:17.26 | gryzvwald | ahh okay. maybe i'll take a trip to one of the bookstores and browse through it. |
| 07:17.29 | Thunder_Child | ~wowp |
| 07:17.37 | Thunder_Child | ~wowprograming |
| 07:17.41 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 07:17.45 | Thunder_Child | ~wowprogramming |
| 07:17.45 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 07:17.50 | Thunder_Child | wee |
| 07:17.53 | gryzvwald | heh |
| 07:18.02 | gryzvwald | thanks for the links |
| 07:18.11 | `Zypher | http://boxstr.com/view/full/3898790_4jz97 |
| 07:18.15 | Thunder_Child | clad is in #wowuidev if you want to ask him |
| 07:18.16 | `Zypher | look at my BetterCC |
| 07:19.00 | gryzvwald | thank you Thunder |
| 07:20.27 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 07:21.43 | `Zypher | no comments for me :( |
| 07:21.54 | `Zypher | ~qq `Zypher |
| 07:21.54 | purl | CRY MOAR `Zypher |
| 07:22.48 | shockbeta | what does CC stand for again. |
| 07:23.02 | Thunder_Child | crowd controll |
| 07:23.04 | Thunder_Child | iirc |
| 07:23.06 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf cc |
| 07:23.12 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 07:23.15 | `Zypher | ``Cooldown Count |
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| 07:23.19 | `Zypher | numbnuts |
| 07:23.46 | shockbeta | so the number? but what are the icons floating over your acitonbars? |
| 07:24.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart `Zypher |
| 07:24.30 | purl | stabs `Zypher |
| 07:24.36 | Thunder_Child | what UF are you using `Zypher? |
| 07:24.43 | `Zypher | Thunder_Child: Infinity |
| 07:24.49 | `Zypher | they are mine |
| 07:24.50 | `Zypher | gtfo |
| 07:24.56 | `Zypher | also |
| 07:25.14 | `Zypher | shockbeta: the icons if the cooldown isn't GCD scale up when the cooldown finishes |
| 07:25.19 | `Zypher | to alert you |
| 07:25.30 | `Zypher | that the cooldown is done |
| 07:25.49 | Thunder_Child | GIEF! |
| 07:25.50 | `Zypher | cooldown number also switches from yellow to red at 10 seconds remaining |
| 07:25.56 | `Zypher | Thunder_Child: Infinity? |
| 07:25.57 | `Zypher | no |
| 07:26.00 | `Zypher | not done yet |
| 07:26.07 | Thunder_Child | GIEF GIEF GIEF |
| 07:26.11 | Thunder_Child | alpha test? |
| 07:26.29 | `Zypher | Thunder_Child: not even alpha |
| 07:26.31 | `Zypher | pre-alpha |
| 07:26.35 | `Zypher | they don't work for group |
| 07:26.38 | `Zypher | at all |
| 07:26.39 | `Zypher | rofl |
| 07:27.30 | shockbeta | all the unit frames look alike to me |
| 07:28.24 | `Zypher | shockbeta: well we are limited to ingame textures |
| 07:28.35 | `Zypher | there isn't any huge way to make them look different |
| 07:28.54 | `Zypher | shockbeta: infinity has a seperate style system tho |
| 07:28.59 | `Zypher | the base is like oUF |
| 07:29.07 | `Zypher | where it doesn't actually make anything |
| 07:29.11 | `Zypher | then you have a style addon |
| 07:29.15 | `Zypher | that tells it what to look like |
| 07:29.16 | `Zypher | :P |
| 07:29.30 | `Zypher | so once we do have textures |
| 07:29.33 | `Zypher | it can be funziez |
| 07:32.05 | `Zypher | anyways |
| 07:32.06 | `Zypher | nite nite |
| 07:33.42 | Thunder_Child | damit Aiiane, now you have me reading that comic strip |
| 07:35.11 | `Zypher | comics, I never liked them |
| 07:37.39 | Aiiane | hehe TC |
| 07:39.17 | shockbeta | can we hide the cursor like they dowhen you click to pan the camera? |
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| 07:54.32 | Aiiane | doubt it |
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| 08:13.09 | Aiiane | :x |
| 08:13.50 | thanners | preferably something that comes with a warning not to use heavy machinery. |
| 08:14.28 | Aiiane | hmm... unfortunately, I can't really turn that into a joke about girlfriends |
| 08:14.37 | Thunder_Child | yes you could |
| 08:14.45 | Thunder_Child | use some imagination woman |
| 08:15.02 | Aiiane | not and have it be apropos |
| 08:15.55 | Thunder_Child | thats because there is nothing to be said for hayfever girlfriends and heavy machinery, choose 2 |
| 08:17.14 | thanners | o_O |
| 08:17.47 | zarious | `Zypher, http://waruidev.pastey.net/98899 > http://war.curseforge.com/projects/zalertlib/images/2-alpha-demo/ |
| 08:18.16 | Aiiane | vertical timer bar label fails |
| 08:18.25 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 08:18.34 | zarious | yeah well, its like super alpha |
| 08:19.16 | zarious | just `Zypher was bitching about not enough statusbar textures and i've been going trhough all the dds files making a table of ones that looked useful |
| 08:19.57 | Thunder_Child | still no custom ones? |
| 08:20.02 | zarious | nope |
| 08:20.25 | Thunder_Child | ooo "We're planning to take the servers offline on Monday morning for maintenance, focusing on the in-game mail system." i wonder what it is |
| 08:20.33 | zarious | but theres plenty inside of the various files to keep people tied down in terms fo statusbars via dynamic images np, now for thigs like buttons/logos and shit it sucks |
| 08:24.30 | Aiiane | you know you've found a good farming tempo when you've been at max morale for the past 20 minutes |
| 08:24.59 | zarious | lol |
| 08:25.12 | zarious | or you play a class that takes forever to kill stuff xD |
| 08:25.38 | Aiiane | my 9-second dot is just running out as each mob dies |
| 08:29.26 | zarious | lua> 205-111 |
| 08:29.26 | lua_bot | zarious: 94 |
| 08:29.50 | zarious | lua> 162-139 |
| 08:29.50 | lua_bot | zarious: 23 |
| 08:31.09 | thanners | This is your Archmage, Aiiane? |
| 08:31.18 | Aiiane | yes |
| 08:31.28 | thanners | What level now? |
| 08:31.35 | Aiiane | 31 |
| 08:31.45 | thanners | getting there. (c: |
| 08:32.01 | thanners | <-- level 19 shaman. :P |
| 08:32.28 | thanners | and 14 warrior priest. |
| 08:33.27 | Aiiane | right now im farming water to level apothecary |
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| 08:33.43 | thanners | ahh. |
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| 08:34.09 | Aiiane | have plenty of main ingredients |
| 08:34.14 | Aiiane | but stabilizers are a pain |
| 08:35.36 | thanners | haven't looked too closely at apothecarying, actually. |
| 08:42.57 | Wobin | irritating =( |
| 08:42.59 | Wobin | all crafting is |
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| 09:23.13 | zarious | is it as expensive as frickin MS/TM? |
| 09:23.30 | zarious | not that it looks like money is even remotely hard to come by later on |
| 09:25.09 | Aiiane | MS? |
| 09:25.17 | zarious | magical salvaging |
| 09:25.24 | Aiiane | oh |
| 09:25.25 | Aiiane | um |
| 09:25.30 | Aiiane | depends on how you get your mats |
| 09:25.46 | zarious | i bought prob half to keep it in line with my level |
| 09:25.58 | Aiiane | most of the mats are decently priced, but if you buy all your stabilizers you'll go broke |
| 09:28.11 | zarious | bleh i need to find a way to move these things |
| 09:28.27 | zarious | well a better way anyways |
| 09:29.32 | Aiiane | move what things |
| 09:29.44 | zarious | my alerts |
| 09:30.00 | Aiiane | how are you moving them currently |
| 09:30.34 | zarious | just need to rewrite them to not use an onupdate type schedule, but im not sure how smooth movement/alpha shaders will look with something like .1s updates |
| 09:31.19 | Aiiane | alpha shaders are fine with .1 |
| 09:31.25 | zarious | just calculating the difference in distance x,y then dividing it by time to move, which gives you x,y per second to get there, then multiplying by the onupdate's time per onupdate |
| 09:31.26 | Aiiane | movement is so-so |
| 09:31.42 | zarious | the movement looks like shit atm anyways |
| 09:31.44 | zarious | id unno why |
| 09:31.49 | zarious | its all jaggeded and stuff |
| 09:31.54 | zarious | bars do the same thing when they countdown |
| 09:32.26 | zarious | i dunno if its just my implementation, or how wow did it vs war i dunno |
| 09:32.30 | zarious | its just not very smooth |
| 09:32.52 | zarious | wtb controlable interpolate lolol |
| 09:33.16 | zarious | oh if i use the built-in alpha animators (which i don't currently) do they do labels etc? |
| 09:33.24 | Aiiane | don't believe so |
| 09:33.38 | Aiiane | actually, maybe |
| 09:33.45 | zarious | wonder if they're more efficent than a 0.1 shader |
| 09:33.47 | Aiiane | since the default alerts are labels, and they fade |
| 09:33.49 | zarious | ill have to test |
| 09:34.13 | zarious | fuck its cold outside |
| 09:40.13 | Aiiane | placebo effects are funny |
| 09:40.31 | Aiiane | I laugh a little every time someone posts on buffthrottle that "this wasn't working, then I updated libslash and it worked" |
| 09:40.47 | thanners | mmmm |
| 09:41.13 | thanners | whatever works, I guess. |
| 09:43.04 | thanners | .. even when it shouldn't. :P |
| 09:43.35 | zarious | does wow cap framerate at 100? |
| 09:45.00 | thanners | i have no idea, I can't get my framerate up that high. :P |
| 09:47.20 | zarious | well 0.1 seems to update time data (i only do xx.x anyways) and move the /statusbars/ the same |
| 09:47.38 | zarious | so i'll see how alphashaders and movers work at that delay |
| 09:50.41 | Repo | 10squared: 03Aiiane * r57 / (4 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.2 for changeset 430ea94f4390 |
| 09:50.42 | Repo | Changed size-related functions to take interface scale factor into account. While this will require users to fix a few size settings back to what they want, it also means fewer odd pixel-width rendering glitches. |
| 09:51.57 | thanners | hometime, byeee all |
| 09:52.06 | zarious | laters |
| 09:53.54 | art3mis | aiiane: we have a guy like that at work(a client) calls complaining things are slow all the time so i put him on hold tell him to relog and say "okay you're pointed at a different server how is it" "a lot better!" even though i've just put him on hold and done nothing |
| 09:54.13 | Aiiane | we have someone here |
| 09:54.17 | Aiiane | who 95% of the time |
| 09:54.20 | Aiiane | will call the helpdesk |
| 09:54.22 | Aiiane | and the secret is |
| 09:54.27 | Aiiane | if you put him on hold for 5 minutes |
| 09:54.31 | Aiiane | by the time you pick back up |
| 09:54.35 | Aiiane | he'll have solved his own problem |
| 09:54.40 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:54.41 | Aiiane | he just doesn't stop and *think* before calling |
| 09:54.51 | zarious | oh the joys of working for a helpdesk |
| 09:54.59 | art3mis | iv actually condisitioned a few of our steady callers |
| 09:55.05 | art3mis | conditioned |
| 09:55.36 | art3mis | "check these things before callign me, because im just gonna repeat those steps when you do and honestly i dont care if you already tried it" |
| 09:56.05 | art3mis | only major difference is that when *I* do them they WILL work heh |
| 09:57.02 | zarious | can war's lua handle the ]] lua code [[ type stuff? |
| 09:57.15 | Aiiane | that's just a string literal |
| 09:57.23 | Aiiane | typically, fed into LoadString |
| 09:57.25 | Aiiane | which WAR doesn't have |
| 09:57.27 | zarious | shit. |
| 09:57.30 | zarious | yeah |
| 10:01.48 | zarious | i need some new tunes |
| 10:02.34 | art3mis | get some stolen babies, new motorhead and some old school rundmc and public enemy |
| 10:02.49 | Werelds | (12:02:34) (art3mis) get some stolen babies, |
| 10:02.52 | Werelds | that looks so wrong |
| 10:02.54 | Werelds | :P |
| 10:02.57 | art3mis | heh |
| 10:03.02 | zarious | yyeah i read that first and was like wtf (never heard of them) |
| 10:03.19 | art3mis | they're sorta like mister bungle only with a cute girl singer |
| 10:03.44 | zarious | oh well thats good, so even if they suck it won't be so bad |
| 10:03.57 | art3mis | check youtube for em |
| 10:04.01 | art3mis | werk werk |
| 10:04.15 | zarious | lewl@you employed folks |
| 10:05.56 | zarious | do noops waste much if any time? basically i'm building update functions which atm could be any of 4 functions which i'll put together into a master update function |
| 10:06.22 | zarious | but i don't want to do 12 differnt if paths lol |
| 10:06.26 | zarious | or h/e many that'd be |
| 10:19.30 | Aiiane | um |
| 10:19.38 | Aiiane | technically they waste a small amount of time |
| 10:19.45 | Aiiane | but in effect it's generally trivial |
| 10:20.06 | Aiiane | to put it in perspective, if you create an empty function f() return end |
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| 10:20.34 | Aiiane | it takes approximately 1 million cycles of a loop that just calls f() to create any noticeable delay in the client |
| 10:21.48 | zarious | well i wouldn't expect anybody to have more like 200 timers at the absolute max, but i'll see if i can find a better way to do it |
| 10:22.16 | zarious | there nothing cool you can do with functions like concatonate them or anything? |
| 10:23.20 | Wobin | what are you trying to do? |
| 10:23.22 | Aiiane | er...how would you concatenate functions |
| 10:23.39 | Wobin | have them run one after another, I imagine? |
| 10:23.54 | Aiiane | AceTimer throws a debug message if it finds any app with more than 250 registered active timers |
| 10:24.09 | Aiiane | I'd say that's a pretty safe assumption |
| 10:24.16 | zarious | ok heres the skinny |
| 10:24.17 | Aiiane | anything that's using more than that is probably poorly designed :P |
| 10:25.29 | zarious | i've got timers, im building the update functions which control how they work, they all at min need to update the timer and the statusbar, some will be movement fucntions, some will need alpha shading functions, some will need scaling functions, im trying to consolidate them all into one function if possible to do all those updates |
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| 10:26.30 | zarious | now my original thought process when i was only counting on a timer/bar update + movemnt was just to do some if thens and build a function that calls w/e are needed, but i dunno if thats the best way when i have that many possible things |
| 10:26.42 | Asac_ | Hey, can somebody explain me what this does: "args:match("([a-z0-9\?]+)[ ]?(.*)")" |
| 10:26.52 | Asac_ | its a regular expression or? |
| 10:26.57 | Wobin | yes |
| 10:27.06 | Asac_ | ok and what does it check? |
| 10:27.20 | Asac_ | does it only allow chars from a-z |
| 10:27.26 | Asac_ | and integers from 0-9 ? |
| 10:27.27 | Wobin | first series of letters that match lower case and numbers and slashes without spaces |
| 10:27.36 | Wobin | oh wait, ? |
| 10:27.56 | Werelds | lower case + digits + question mark |
| 10:27.56 | Werelds | :) |
| 10:27.59 | Aiiane | no |
| 10:28.10 | Werelds | oh no wait |
| 10:28.14 | Werelds | that's not proper escaping |
| 10:28.15 | Werelds | for lua |
| 10:28.16 | Werelds | oO |
| 10:28.45 | Aiiane | yeah, that's actually a sort of silly typo on my part, but nothing harmless at the moment |
| 10:29.14 | Wobin | The first word has to match the arguments listed |
| 10:29.25 | Wobin | and the rest of the string is returned as the second match |
| 10:29.44 | Aiiane | wait |
| 10:29.52 | Aiiane | that's not a typo of mine I don't think o_O |
| 10:30.17 | Aiiane | where did you find that code, Asac_? |
| 10:30.22 | Asac_ | in an addon |
| 10:30.34 | Aiiane | yes, I meant, which addon |
| 10:30.36 | Asac_ | does it split something into 2 parts |
| 10:30.42 | Aiiane | sort of, yes |
| 10:30.48 | Asac_ | OTG_Guildchat |
| 10:30.51 | Aiiane | it splits it into the first lowercase/number word |
| 10:30.53 | Repo | 10ace3: 03pwerelds * r20 / (3 files in 3 directories): AceConsole + AceHook should be done. Untested as of yet, will do once I get the time. |
| 10:30.55 | Aiiane | and then the rest of the string |
| 10:31.01 | Aiiane | removing a separating space if there is one |
| 10:31.10 | Asac_ | ah k |
| 10:31.21 | Asac_ | Aiiane is there some tutorial how to save variables? |
| 10:31.21 | Werelds | If anyone feels like testing ace stuff, feel free! :> |
| 10:31.36 | Aiiane | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Addon_Format |
| 10:31.40 | Aiiane | @ Asac_ |
| 10:31.47 | Asac_ | thx |
| 10:32.47 | Repo | 10ace3: 03pwerelds * r21 AceHook-3.0/AceHook-3.0.lua: Sorry, I r sleepeh, forgot to remove a mixin. |
| 10:32.55 | Werelds | ;[ |
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| 11:01.14 | zarious | 3/4s of a million subs thats not bad for first montha t all |
| 11:03.55 | zarious | oh 1.1 has item linking lol i missed that somehow i guess all i heard was OMFG TOT TOT TOT |
| 11:06.47 | zarious | wow really needs a herald imo |
| 11:07.03 | zarious | i missed having one from day one when i quit daoc |
| 11:10.20 | Aiiane | wow's herald is called mmo-champion.com |
| 11:10.21 | Aiiane | :P |
| 11:11.54 | zarious | from post about death knight names: So yeah, I had a gnome female named Underage, who was supposed to be my Death Knight. But I started leveling it >.< My main is named Marcus, I get quite a few comments on that Tongue However... |
| 11:11.54 | zarious | ... I will check if Boner is taken. |
| 11:12.20 | zarious | how do you not get banned doing that |
| 11:12.57 | zarious | my friends daoc name was Lumbergh Phucter a la office space |
| 11:14.15 | zarious | i guess i never caught onto mmo-champion until after i quit |
| 11:14.21 | zarious | we always had ming |
| 11:15.08 | zarious | http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Ming |
| 11:19.55 | Aiiane | tired aii is tired... so goodnight |
| 11:20.05 | zarious | nighters |
| 11:21.30 | Wobin | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/10/universal-design-pattern.html |
| 11:21.38 | Wobin | That's really a good programming article |
| 11:22.00 | zarious | methods take up memory no? or are they just references? my alerts all get assigned a series of methods, and i nil out their data tables after they're destroyed, but it seems the methods don't disappear? |
| 11:22.40 | Wobin | functions are passed by reference |
| 11:23.10 | zarious | hmm |
| 11:24.57 | zarious | http://pastebin.com/m1d0308ae heres how i set them, so theres no need to nil them out or anything on destroying a frame? |
| 11:26.40 | zarious | i gues a better question would be is there only one method really used for all of those? |
| 11:26.44 | zarious | i guess i can check that |
| 11:26.52 | Wobin | zarious: is there any reason you're creating those functions inside your main function? |
| 11:27.04 | Wobin | Every time it's called, you'll create copies of those functions |
| 11:27.24 | zarious | nope im just new to methods, i thought thats how you did it |
| 11:27.48 | zarious | not like totally new, but i don't have a very good grasp on where they end up how many get created etc |
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| 11:28.33 | Wobin | hm, I guess you're creating a 'frame' object |
| 11:28.37 | zarious | how can i keep similar functionality ? |
| 11:28.37 | Wobin | er class |
| 11:28.46 | zarious | while not using them like that then |
| 11:29.05 | Wobin | but you're not really taking advantage of metatables |
| 11:29.10 | zarious | bascailly, thats just my base frame, the one where i really use the methods is the dynamicimage /statusbars/ |
| 11:29.32 | Wobin | You're heading into using Lua in OOP |
| 11:29.37 | zarious | argh, i have a feeling im gonna have to learn metatables lol |
| 11:29.48 | Wobin | metatables are -very- useful |
| 11:29.57 | Wobin | they just take a little to get a grasp on |
| 11:30.00 | zarious | yeah its just something else i dunno how to do |
| 11:30.01 | zarious | yeah |
| 11:30.03 | Wobin | PiL is very good |
| 11:30.13 | Wobin | it will explain how to create classes |
| 11:30.20 | zarious | i use it a lot tbh, but prob only the single diget chapters |
| 11:31.19 | zarious | i mainly learn by looking at how others do it and slowing doing proof of concepts until i understand it all |
| 11:32.19 | Wobin | hehe, it's amazing how much that article I posted earlier makes sense when you've used Lua |
| 11:32.38 | zarious | basically i've got 3 classes (i guess thats what they're called) that i'm using to put together the 5 pieces that make up each alert, 2 dynamic image 'statusbars', the base frame, and two labels |
| 11:33.45 | zarious | so im converting those into metamethods? |
| 11:36.14 | zarious | sorry i have no formal programming experience lol |
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| 11:39.07 | Wobin | it may be a little difficult to explain |
| 11:39.18 | Wobin | if you haven't read up on classes and the like before |
| 11:39.49 | zarious | i've done classes on a small scale, mostly with css, but i've got a feeling that its not the same |
| 11:40.58 | Wobin | to a certain degree it's similar |
| 11:41.14 | Wobin | ~pil |
| 11:41.15 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 11:41.21 | zarious | i just generally don't learn very well with only text |
| 11:41.42 | Wobin | http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 11:41.45 | zarious | im well aware of pil and how to find it xD any particular chapterS? im at 13, but its kinda lacking |
| 11:41.54 | Wobin | I just needed the link to go look =) |
| 11:42.01 | zarious | oh lol |
| 11:42.05 | Wobin | Are you following along, though? |
| 11:42.17 | zarious | with classes? i believe so |
| 11:42.27 | Wobin | good good |
| 11:44.14 | zarious | is there any code i can look at while doing this? i believe libgui uses metatables as thats where i got the idea to use those methods from |
| 11:46.48 | zarious | are you joking.....all i have to do is setmetatable(sometable, {__index = someothertable}) |
| 11:46.58 | Wobin | pretty much |
| 11:47.08 | Wobin | that's for inheritance |
| 11:47.14 | Wobin | as well |
| 11:47.43 | Wobin | as long as you pass 'self' into your functions |
| 11:47.47 | zarious | so i create a prototype table and then set the metatable for each alert on creation? |
| 11:47.50 | zarious | yeah they already do self |
| 11:47.57 | Wobin | it doesn't matter what instance of the object you have, it'll work |
| 11:48.50 | Wobin | I'm not very good at explaining these sorts of concepts =) |
| 11:49.18 | zarious | what happens if in the example above sometable as a method thats the same as in someothertable? a tables own method takes priority? |
| 11:49.26 | zarious | has* |
| 11:49.56 | Wobin | yes |
| 11:50.17 | Wobin | if the method already exists, it doesn't bother checking the metatable for the definition |
| 11:50.23 | zarious | ok, i think i see whats going on here with the :new() things |
| 11:50.28 | zarious | yeah |
| 11:50.53 | zarious | brb gatta shower, this looks a bit easier though |
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| 12:19.24 | zarious | holy......shit.... theres a cosplay chick in my old guild lololololololololololololololololololololololollolollollololl |
| 12:19.38 | Felyza | ? |
| 12:19.44 | Felyza | what's wrong with cosplay? |
| 12:19.52 | zarious | too far |
| 12:20.09 | CowBook | so i leveled a dok from 1 to 10 yesterday, i think i played too much |
| 12:20.22 | zarious | even its not too far, i can damn well laugh at it thats for sure |
| 12:20.48 | Felyza | i used to own a tiger suit (sold it when i needed the cash), i own a full set of armor, and have been seen out on the street in both |
| 12:21.04 | Felyza | though the armor does get use |
| 12:21.23 | Felyza | sca heavy combatant ;) |
| 12:21.58 | zarious | lol |
| 12:22.19 | Felyza | zarious, http://sca.org/ |
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| 12:22.49 | Felyza | they own their own three letter acronym website, so yeah, they've been around for a long time |
| 12:23.47 | zarious | i know they have, doesn't mean i can't laugh at them lol, i think some things are neat, but just wow |
| 12:24.20 | Felyza | sigh, i'm curious, are you either a teen or are you over the age of 40 |
| 12:24.37 | zarious | yes im 12! |
| 12:24.42 | zarious | im 22 lol |
| 12:25.31 | Felyza | usually, up to a certain age care about their image and find things laughable, after a certain age, anything outside of the norm is foreign and laughable... you must be stuck in teen mentality or already into old age |
| 12:25.33 | zarious | i used to play dnd, was president of computer/chess club in hs etc, very much a geek, but i don't think i'd get into it that far |
| 12:26.31 | zarious | so because i laugh at cosplay i'm either too mature or immature? interesting thought process there |
| 12:26.35 | shockbeta | but when zombies attack I'm following Felyza |
| 12:26.42 | Felyza | =) |
| 12:27.01 | zarious | lol |
| 12:27.22 | zarious | hell i even still dress up for halloween just for shits, but i'll be damned if im not gonna laugh at cosplay |
| 12:27.22 | Felyza | z would grab a chainsaw, then 2 hours later, realize it needs gas when it dies, and they don't work well as a bludgeoning weapon |
| 12:27.46 | shockbeta | and the armor.. comon like a zombie can bite through plate... |
| 12:27.53 | zarious | i'd goto washinton....no brains i'd besafe |
| 12:28.14 | zarious | or canada, because even zombies can't be fucked |
| 12:28.18 | Felyza | you kidding? its already full of zombies... they'd be the first to prey on you |
| 12:28.45 | zarious | http://www.grabup.com/uploads/06370ca0883424d5b71b6a4778c0c2b4.png |
| 12:29.11 | zarious | she wears way too much makeup for me, but i dig the hair |
| 12:30.07 | shockbeta | hey zarious not sure if this would of helped in your texture search, but did you see this: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/iconviewer/images/1-icon-viewer-v1-0/ |
| 12:30.35 | zarious | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kO9TtHYzQ <---lol |
| 12:30.48 | Felyza | random pic from google regarding sca... http://www.outdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/800px-grunwald_2003.jpg |
| 12:30.51 | zarious | We?re sorry, you?ve attempted to access a page that you?re not allowed to access. |
| 12:30.51 | zarious | If you find this message to be in error please notify the administrators. |
| 12:31.33 | zarious | good god i've disturbed the bear |
| 12:31.59 | zarious | http://www.grabup.com/uploads/4d869d32a9a371ffb025bd5579326d22.png jasmin from allidan? |
| 12:32.17 | zarious | oh i guess it says who it is, i still don't get it |
| 12:32.19 | Wobin | Felyza: You wore a tiger suit in a full set of armour? |
| 12:32.21 | Wobin | wow =P |
| 12:32.32 | Felyza | wobin, no, separate times |
| 12:32.40 | Wobin | aw, where's the fun in that? =P |
| 12:32.51 | zarious | i used to know a guy who made chainmail though, i did think that was kinda cool, though that shits heavy as balls |
| 12:33.00 | Wobin | yeah, it's surprisingly heavy |
| 12:33.46 | Felyza | if they use steel rings (like i do when i make mine) its heavy, however when you use aluminum rings, its actually quite light |
| 12:34.23 | zarious | it was maybe 18 or 16guage steel weire wrapped around something then cut and clamped together |
| 12:34.25 | Wobin | would aluminium chain mail really do much? |
| 12:34.49 | zarious | aluminum is pretty strong, its just bad in that it sheers instead of bending |
| 12:35.09 | zarious | so like instead of maybe bending and absorbing something it would break links a lot i'd reckon |
| 12:35.22 | zarious | i remember b/f i failed out of eng when we did my materials science class about it xD |
| 12:35.23 | Wobin | so for chainmail, it probably wouldn't be the best solution? =P |
| 12:35.34 | Wobin | I remember Intro to Mechanical Engineering |
| 12:35.36 | Felyza | in sca combat no, if it were in the dark ages, yes... its meant to prevent slicing wounds, and although sca combat uses rattan dowels in lieu of blades, the mass of the steel provides some protection |
| 12:35.36 | zarious | yeah |
| 12:35.43 | Wobin | We got to make funny noises with a lot of metal |
| 12:36.50 | Felyza | personally, i prefer boiled leather and plate |
| 12:37.52 | zarious | anybody see the warcraft pr0n? i d/led one just to check it out and its funny as hell |
| 12:38.18 | Wobin | whores of warcraft? |
| 12:38.21 | zarious | yeah |
| 12:38.25 | Wobin | I saw the trailer |
| 12:38.29 | Wobin | it looked pretty tragic |
| 12:38.59 | zarious | most porns are already horrible plot and acting, but just hearing lines like, 'but i have a raid tonight and have no money to pay for my repairs' i about died laughing |
| 12:39.31 | zarious | taking niche porn to a while new level |
| 12:40.04 | Wobin | I'm impressed the actors could say lines like that with a straight face |
| 12:40.55 | zarious | tbh i think these were cosplay chicks, sometimes they really seemed into it, but it was pretty mediocre for that genre imo |
| 12:41.36 | Wobin | there's -good- high fantasy porn? |
| 12:41.58 | zarious | no, but i meant in terms of a good porn, which is hard to find anyways |
| 12:42.39 | Felyza | wobin, stealing that for my sig |
| 12:42.51 | zarious | lol |
| 12:43.00 | Wobin | Felyza: hehe =P |
| 12:43.15 | Wobin | ~emulate wobin |
| 12:43.16 | purl | oh smurf me harder! |
| 12:43.37 | Wobin | For some reason, people always want to quote me when we're discussing porn =P |
| 12:44.48 | shockbeta | not to sidetrak the conversation but is there a way to set a frame as focus onmouseover, then have it loose focus on mouseoverend? |
| 12:45.40 | zarious | shockbeta, what the f man |
| 12:45.57 | shockbeta | I know I know.. |
| 12:45.59 | shockbeta | lol |
| 12:46.29 | Felyza | shockbeta, there's an frame event you can register |
| 12:46.31 | shockbeta | just trying to get a few more thing doen before I goto work |
| 12:46.35 | zarious | you can bind to OnMouseOver |
| 12:46.58 | shockbeta | ... I know that, but how do I set the frame it's mouseing over to be focus |
| 12:47.10 | shockbeta | OnRawDeviceInput fires off to whatever windows has focus... not mouseovered |
| 12:47.18 | Felyza | WindowAssignFocus |
| 12:47.23 | shockbeta | woot! thanks |
| 12:47.39 | zarious | yeah i was looking it up i knew there was a simple command for it |
| 12:48.16 | Felyza | http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:APIDocumentingStatus ... closest thing we have to an api reference |
| 12:48.27 | zarious | ugh im down to only 200gb free.... |
| 12:48.40 | Felyza | that is spit out by the engine when you do the proper command with logging on |
| 12:48.51 | shockbeta | hmm haven't seen that page I think. I've seen teh others |
| 12:48.54 | CowBook | wewt? http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=391 |
| 12:48.58 | zarious | yeah i've never seen that |
| 12:49.10 | zarious | i use the almsot everything on one page link |
| 12:49.20 | shockbeta | yeah boo! servers down. I'm logged into oceanic testing addon. lol |
| 12:49.23 | zarious | yeah mail stuff |
| 12:49.25 | Felyza | if you turn logging on, and so a simple /script, it is exported as a text file into the log folder |
| 12:49.29 | zarious | yeah im in oceanic too |
| 12:50.06 | Wobin | zarious: You should delete the WoW porn to make space =P |
| 12:50.22 | Asac_ | why this dosent work: "local CurrID = ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabID();" |
| 12:50.41 | shockbeta | You know I always wanted to make a character in wow named InChina |
| 12:50.54 | shockbeta | or intaiwan, then craft stuff and sell it on AH |
| 12:50.57 | shockbeta | lol |
| 12:51.10 | shockbeta | EA_ChatWindow I beleive |
| 12:51.20 | Felyza | Asac_, i'm digging now to look it up |
| 12:51.21 | zarious | total space taken by porn on my comp atm is 3.4gb / 1500gb |
| 12:51.36 | zarious | movies+music+games is over 900 |
| 12:51.59 | CowBook | i had an alt in wow named Contraband that i used for AH |
| 12:52.00 | CowBook | heh |
| 12:52.05 | zarious | software is prob 200gb, two vista installs around 90 |
| 12:52.14 | CowBook | but the name is taken in war, not that i even care about ah now |
| 12:52.16 | shockbeta | Felyza: didn't they change ChatWindow to EA_ChatWindow |
| 12:52.18 | Sores | why 2 vista installs? :P |
| 12:52.29 | zarious | i had many reservations about switching to x64 lol |
| 12:52.37 | zarious | i really don't use it even though i have 4gb of ram |
| 12:52.38 | Sores | i'm under 64 |
| 12:53.09 | Felyza | not for function references for the most part |
| 12:53.27 | zarious | war run better on x64? |
| 12:53.36 | Felyza | well, alot do, but not some of the window stuff that deals with it i was using |
| 12:54.07 | zarious | theres only a handfull of things i couldn't get to run, but i mainly didnt switch b/c of all the settings when im only loosing like 800mb of ram |
| 12:54.13 | zarious | i guess thats a lot but i really don't notice it |
| 12:54.15 | Sores | zarious, well, i switched from |
| 12:54.16 | shockbeta | ChatWindow.Print((towstring(hello)) = fail ... EA_ChatWindow.Print("hello") = good |
| 12:54.18 | Sores | xp to vista 64 |
| 12:54.24 | zarious | my bottleneck is by far my videocard |
| 12:54.25 | Sores | and i noticed a really good increase in performance |
| 12:54.29 | Felyza | Asac_, where did you get "GetCurrentTabID" because its not in the api list or in the lua for the real window |
| 12:54.32 | Sores | but i got a decent graphics card |
| 12:54.38 | shockbeta | err.. minus my missing qoutes in teh first one |
| 12:54.40 | Sores | leadtek winfast gtx 260 |
| 12:54.44 | zarious | 8600gt 256mb here :( |
| 12:54.52 | zarious | screw you i was loking at that card, but its too expenive atm |
| 12:54.57 | Sores | cost me a fortune, upgraded my comp for about 600$ this month |
| 12:55.02 | zarious | prob end up getting a 9800 gt x2 or w/e its called |
| 12:55.03 | Sores | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.32 | Felyza | searching the default interface.... GetCurrentTabID is not found in any file |
| 12:56.32 | Felyza | ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabID = an imaginary function? |
| 12:57.33 | Felyza | Asac_, i think I found what you need.... grep the default interface for EA_ChatTabManager.activeTabId |
| 12:58.28 | Felyza | line 100 of chatwindow.lua: local tabManagerId = EA_ChatTabManager.activeTabId |
| 12:59.08 | Felyza | sigh |
| 12:59.13 | Felyza | i need to write an addon |
| 12:59.18 | Wobin | zarious: hm, clearly you need more porn |
| 12:59.21 | Felyza | either that, or update mine |
| 12:59.32 | CowBook | so is it true that an addon init is called right after THAT addon is loaded, not after ALL addons are loaded? |
| 12:59.41 | Felyza | cowbook, correct |
| 12:59.47 | CowBook | wow that is SO horrible |
| 12:59.50 | CowBook | :-( |
| 12:59.52 | Felyza | load a, init a, load b, init b |
| 13:00.03 | Asac_ | Felyza sry i was afk :> |
| 13:00.09 | Asac_ | i will try EA_ChatTabManager.activeTabId |
| 13:00.27 | Felyza | Asac_, it looks like it is a variable not a function, so don't use () |
| 13:00.37 | Asac_ | ah ok |
| 13:00.58 | Felyza | cowbook, are you needing to do a delayed init? |
| 13:01.08 | CowBook | is load order alphabetic? |
| 13:01.13 | Felyza | no |
| 13:01.19 | CowBook | heh |
| 13:01.38 | CowBook | i want to manually hook/override a few functions for an addon |
| 13:01.47 | CowBook | until the author updates it |
| 13:01.48 | Felyza | you could do a delayed init |
| 13:01.52 | Sores | Felyza: , you are probably right about that, functions usually start with upper case |
| 13:02.00 | CowBook | i supposed i'd have to |
| 13:02.02 | Sores | whilst variables start with lowerCastLikeThis |
| 13:02.06 | Sores | Case* |
| 13:02.17 | CowBook | what's the best way of doing a delated init, attaching to a particular event? |
| 13:02.22 | Wobin | CowBook: You can check if the addon is loaded, and then delay init if not |
| 13:02.30 | Felyza | Sores, open up chatwindow.lua from the default interface, scroll down to "EA_ChatWindow.SpawnTabOptionsMenu()" and you'll see i'm right ;) |
| 13:02.31 | CowBook | right |
| 13:02.48 | Sores | Felyza: hehe i'm not doubting you |
| 13:02.49 | Wobin | what addon are you waiting for? |
| 13:02.53 | CowBook | wsct |
| 13:03.20 | CowBook | it does everything in OnInitialize |
| 13:03.32 | CowBook | i mean, it should be quite easy to do |
| 13:03.38 | Wobin | does your addon depend on wsct? |
| 13:03.43 | Felyza | Cowbook, when you init, make something register the ENTER_WORLD and RELOAD_INTERFACE events, and have it perform a function to initialize |
| 13:03.46 | CowBook | it modifies wsct's behavior |
| 13:03.53 | Wobin | so it does |
| 13:03.56 | CowBook | ok, i'll use those events |
| 13:03.56 | Sores | then why not have it as a dependancy |
| 13:03.58 | Sores | in the mod file? |
| 13:03.59 | Wobin | just have wsct as a dependancy |
| 13:04.02 | Felyza | If it would require it, make it a dep... nvm |
| 13:04.11 | CowBook | ok i didn't know that it worked that way |
| 13:04.27 | Wobin | dependancies just mean that it checks if your addon has any, then loads them first |
| 13:04.28 | CowBook | so making wsct a dependency guarantees that this loads after wsct? |
| 13:04.32 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:04.32 | shockbeta | depenedceny = force other addon to load before this one |
| 13:04.32 | CowBook | awesome. |
| 13:04.36 | Felyza | You can depend on either default 'addons' of the core ui, or addons written by other authors |
| 13:04.45 | CowBook | makes sense |
| 13:04.51 | CowBook | i'll just do that, then |
| 13:04.52 | Sores | dependency, in word, means it requires it to be there for it to work |
| 13:05.10 | shockbeta | So I got it getting focus on Onmouseover, but it sure doesn' tlike losing it onmouseoverend.... |
| 13:05.13 | Sores | in wars case, i even doubt the addon will load at all without all dependencies there |
| 13:05.21 | shockbeta | it won't |
| 13:05.23 | Felyza | I thought you were looking for an optional dependancy, which you can do with the 'delayed init' |
| 13:05.24 | Sores | i know in wow, you could add optional dependencies |
| 13:05.36 | CowBook | no problem |
| 13:06.08 | Felyza | enter_world and reload_interface fire after all addons have been loaded or refreshed |
| 13:06.15 | CowBook | that's good to know |
| 13:06.22 | Felyza | so they work well as delayed init triggers |
| 13:06.29 | CowBook | do you prefer one? |
| 13:06.40 | Sores | reload_interface has got one good advantage |
| 13:06.50 | Felyza | one fires on loading in from character select, one fires when reloaduing the interface in world |
| 13:06.53 | Sores | everytime the interface is reloaded, it will also cause it to init |
| 13:07.07 | Sores | it will also be broadcasted** |
| 13:07.17 | Felyza | sores, they still re-init anyway on reloadui |
| 13:07.27 | Sores | enter_world? |
| 13:07.28 | *** join/#waruidev Pewpewarrows (n=Pewpewar@smtp.digitalpublishingcorp.com) |
| 13:07.30 | Sores | doesn't sound likel |
| 13:07.34 | Sores | likely* |
| 13:08.02 | shockbeta | SystemData.Events.LOADING_END |
| 13:08.41 | Felyza | shockbeta, that fires on all loading screens, and will fire BEFORE addons are processed when entering world, does not fire when reloading interface |
| 13:09.10 | shockbeta | good to know |
| 13:09.32 | shockbeta | Any idea on how to lose focus on my window... it doesn't want to let go after I set it |
| 13:09.49 | shockbeta | I can click off it, but should do it in mouseoverend |
| 13:09.58 | Felyza | enter_world fires after all addons have loaded and initialized, only on initial entrace to world... reload_interface fires after all addons have reinitialized only when reloaduing the interface while already in game |
| 13:10.54 | Wobin | shockbeta: Maybe record where it steals the focus from |
| 13:10.56 | Wobin | and reapply that? |
| 13:10.58 | Felyza | those are the only 2 times i've seen addons reinitialize... entering world (from character select), and reloading interface |
| 13:11.05 | CowBook | so you need to use both enter_world and reload_interface to cover the delayed init? |
| 13:11.11 | Felyza | yes |
| 13:11.17 | CowBook | good to know |
| 13:11.48 | Felyza | reload_interface does not fire when you enter from character select, and enter_world does not fire when reloading interface |
| 13:14.39 | Felyza | anyone know how to poll the tome for kill count of something? |
| 13:15.01 | shockbeta | how ny you've killed or how many you need? |
| 13:15.11 | Felyza | just number killed |
| 13:16.40 | Felyza | want to fulfill a request for http://war.curseforge.com/projects/rvrstats/ to add kill counts of enemy classes |
| 13:16.55 | *** join/#waruidev download (n=download@61.95.13.82) |
| 13:17.07 | download | \o |
| 13:18.23 | shockbeta | tomewindow_bestiary.lua L# 360 maybe? |
| 13:18.50 | Felyza | heh, i just realized, its my first project with ONLY positive feedback |
| 13:18.57 | Wobin | hehe grats =) |
| 13:19.03 | download | nice |
| 13:19.05 | download | which one? |
| 13:19.21 | shockbeta | subTypeData.killCount if oyu can get to it is wht I want I think |
| 13:19.32 | shockbeta | what you want* |
| 13:19.52 | Felyza | http://my.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/rvrstats.aspx |
| 13:20.31 | download | oh yeah very nice |
| 13:21.04 | Felyza | was also my first real attempt at modifying the interface via xml |
| 13:21.49 | download | id like to give it a shot |
| 13:22.41 | download | in 1600x1200 the Respawn countdown (after selection respawn) covers up the Resurrection offer acceptance window..bugs the hell out of me |
| 13:23.12 | Felyza | download, agreed 100%, at 1440x900 and 1600x1050 |
| 13:23.21 | download | fantastic. |
| 13:24.09 | Felyza | as a rift magus, trust me, i get alot of rezzes... though i figured out if you click really fast over the confirm right as the respawn timer window leaves, you can accept and take the rez without respawning at entrance |
| 13:24.53 | Felyza | just move the mouse over confirm, when its at 2 sec left, just start clicking rapidly |
| 13:25.31 | Felyza | the window is removed before the respawn occurs, allowing a few hundred millisecond window to hit accept ;) |
| 13:25.54 | download | that takes skill |
| 13:26.11 | Felyza | nah, just left mouse-button mashing |
| 13:26.23 | Felyza | clicking too many times has no ill effects |
| 13:26.32 | shockbeta | I beg to differ.... |
| 13:26.41 | Felyza | on the accept-rez window? |
| 13:26.55 | shockbeta | I've crashed War by just clicking |
| 13:27.01 | Felyza | trust me, i had to do that a BUNCH of times last night |
| 13:27.03 | shockbeta | not the the extent anyone could click on their own. |
| 13:27.39 | shockbeta | but still.. click wait 0.5 esc wait 0.5 repeat...... you'll crash before too long |
| 13:27.43 | Sores | War has got another interesting bug, it doesn't always occour, but has occoured alot for me |
| 13:27.51 | Sores | is that if i click "Exit Game"(or whatever the title is in the menu) |
| 13:27.53 | Sores | then tab down |
| 13:27.58 | Sores | war crashes |
| 13:28.22 | download | "quick exit" |
| 13:28.28 | Felyza | rift+aegis of the orange flame+backlash+that other one where the disk pbaoes+the whip = lots of damage given and received + magus death for it |
| 13:29.37 | shockbeta | So I'm thikning I can only set focus to a window that is focusable.. like an edit box if something registers to teh rwdeviceinput |
| 13:30.03 | Felyza | i can usually kill all the witch hunters, and occasionally an ironbreaker or swordmaster with it.. and leave the rest at low health |
| 13:30.46 | Felyza | i wish rift were instant-instant not end of casting animation instant |
| 13:32.33 | download | ngghh rift |
| 13:33.02 | Felyza | download, at least its as much a suicide button as it is an iwin button |
| 13:33.34 | shockbeta | I love when you do something mythic does in lua, and it pops an error for you... |
| 13:33.35 | download | yeah we got rifted at a keep defense once yesterday and it just brough us closer to the action |
| 13:34.14 | Felyza | whats fun is when you rift them through the closed door into the keep by mistake, and they overrun the defenders |
| 13:34.38 | download | oh that has happened to me. i dont mind it too much |
| 13:35.10 | Felyza | much more fun to rift them to in front of the door when you have a friend waiting with the oil |
| 13:35.54 | download | we got rift spammed at tor anroc by 5 maguses yesterday, that was ego shattering |
| 13:36.32 | Felyza | my guild group consists of myself, 2 shaman, and a squig herder... and we turn the tide of every tor anroc |
| 13:37.34 | Felyza | i'm completely set up for pbaoe, he's the giant squig spec which is his pbaoe spec, and we each have our own healer/rezzer =) |
| 13:37.39 | download | shaman is the guy with the skull? |
| 13:37.53 | Felyza | shaman = goblin with a staff not a bow |
| 13:37.59 | download | ah right |
| 13:38.19 | download | pretty nice combo for a guild |
| 13:38.43 | download | or a party i mean |
| 13:38.44 | Felyza | the sorc has been MIA all week due to the rays/sox games |
| 13:39.09 | download | pff, he should take part in the online sensation |
| 13:40.06 | Wobin | zealot is the guy with the skull |
| 13:40.42 | download | after 2 weeks my impression of a zealot is just some dude who stands by himself drinking something |
| 13:41.10 | download | not really sure what their use is or if they kill me. maybe a low pop of em on dark crag or something |
| 13:42.03 | *** join/#waruidev Fidge (n=Fidge@host-213-213-223-81.brutele.be) |
| 13:42.03 | Wobin | I got killed by a zealot as a BW |
| 13:42.03 | Wobin | he self healed too much |
| 13:42.03 | Wobin | and I was in a hurry to get somewhere else |
| 13:42.22 | download | squishy bw |
| 13:42.27 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:42.36 | Wobin | deadly with healer backup |
| 13:42.41 | Wobin | but squishy on their own |
| 13:42.47 | Felyza | personally, i can eat a bw |
| 13:42.58 | Wobin | To be quite honest, I should have stuck around, caged him, then run off |
| 13:43.19 | Felyza | magus vs bw = magus win 90% if even level, unless the magus doesn't know how to play |
| 13:43.34 | Wobin | yeah, probably |
| 13:43.41 | Wobin | bw are terribly squishy |
| 13:44.02 | Wobin | but then again, I've come across a -lot- of magus who don't know how to play =P |
| 13:44.03 | Felyza | i can generally down witch hunters, bright wizards, or str geared ironbreakers or sword masters |
| 13:44.45 | Felyza | i save myself the time and effort and run from healerxs |
| 13:44.55 | Wobin | rvr is hardly ever 1 on 1 though |
| 13:45.00 | Wobin | not if you're smart |
| 13:45.11 | Felyza | 1 v 1 |
| 13:45.27 | download | ive seen some frightening maguses. i thought they'd be just some light armor dudes on surf boards but you come to meet like heavy armored looking devils |
| 13:45.30 | Felyza | myself vs a healer = i lose 90%, usually after 10 minutes + |
| 13:45.36 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:45.55 | Wobin | as a zealot, I had a 15min fight with a Priest |
| 13:46.07 | Wobin | we finally gave up =P |
| 13:46.12 | Wobin | and went our separate ways |
| 13:46.19 | download | hahah |
| 13:46.29 | Felyza | i've ran into a few warrior priests that must have specced damage, and not healing at all, i can eat them alive |
| 13:46.42 | Felyza | if they spec healing, then i'm done for |
| 13:46.56 | shockbeta | is there a list on the wiki for all the IDs of keys? |
| 13:47.05 | download | i dont think speccing them for damage is playing them right |
| 13:47.31 | Wobin | WP are amazing tank backup |
| 13:48.04 | Felyza | and download, regarding frightening, i have more armor than a tank (with my buff up), more hp than most tanks my level, decent dps output, and a BUNCH of ways I can make someone stop casting |
| 13:48.10 | Wobin | if only tanks would get the idea that they're supposed to be in the way, and not be free ranging dps =P |
| 13:48.38 | Felyza | not to mention i can bring a runner back to me every 20 seconds |
| 13:48.51 | Wobin | Felyza: Your milkshake brings -all- the boys to the yard |
| 13:49.20 | Felyza | sorry, had to defend my class... its one of the hardest classes to play, and gets a REALLY bad rap from most people |
| 13:49.26 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:49.31 | Wobin | I should level my engi |
| 13:49.43 | Wobin | they're so hard to play though =( |
| 13:49.57 | download | lvl40 engi told me it sux |
| 13:50.00 | Wobin | what tactic did you tend to go for at lower levels, fel? |
| 13:50.08 | download | but i doubt he meant it whole heartedly |
| 13:50.17 | Felyza | pvp or pve |
| 13:50.19 | Wobin | pvp |
| 13:50.34 | Wobin | pve is easier to setup |
| 13:50.51 | Felyza | the one that pops a damage shield, add backlash to that when you can |
| 13:51.37 | Felyza | if i don't need to worry about melee at all, then swap the backlash for the +elemental resist tactic |
| 13:52.35 | download | after installing warhammer i went for magus, but then go told to roll on order side cause my friend is already there |
| 13:52.59 | Felyza | also, the theoryhammering has been done, and the verdict declared, int is pointless to any magus not specced in havoc... so unless you're havoc (at which point you should drop the class for a sorc anyway), then go pure wounds gear, add toughness via gems |
| 13:53.25 | download | talismans? |
| 13:53.29 | Felyza | yes |
| 13:53.43 | download | why tf do they dissapear when you unequip the gear.... |
| 13:53.56 | Felyza | if you don't have someone that can make green+ toughness ones for you, then just get wounds gems from the auctionhouse |
| 13:54.18 | Felyza | they stay on the gear for however long their timer is |
| 13:54.26 | download | not for me |
| 13:54.35 | VonhintenHOME` | why is int no good for a magus? |
| 13:54.42 | download | i had an 8 day one dissapear after i unequipped and relogged |
| 13:54.59 | download | after 5 hrs |
| 13:55.40 | Felyza | VonhintenHOME, it almost only affects cast time spells, and only a VERY FEW instants... and most of a magus's arsenal is instant |
| 13:55.51 | Felyza | and it does not scale on dots |
| 13:56.01 | download | if you bind a talisman, unequip the item, equip anything else and mouse over the item you bound a talisman to, it says the slot is empty also |
| 13:56.22 | Felyza | what would give +15% to a sorc gives about +2% to a magus, due to the nature of how int is applied to the spells |
| 13:56.30 | Felyza | (overall) |
| 13:57.32 | Felyza | from a lot of trial and error, i figured out 600 int vs 600 wounds means i can do more damage with 600 wounds, since i have a far longer life expectancy |
| 13:58.06 | Wobin | more damage over time than upfront |
| 13:58.31 | Felyza | and download, when you logged after 5 hours, did you log for longer than 3 hours? 8 hours means 8 hours from time equipped, not 8 hours played |
| 13:58.43 | Wobin | he said 8day |
| 13:58.48 | download | days |
| 13:58.51 | Felyza | ah |
| 13:58.59 | Felyza | i've never had that happen |
| 13:59.09 | download | hmm |
| 13:59.14 | Felyza | and i am known for stripping for pq's |
| 13:59.47 | Wobin | my BW has all of the naked achievements I think =P |
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| 14:00.12 | Cronium | Anyone remember what that addon on that showed an example of a window was called? |
| 14:01.01 | Wobin | hello world? |
| 14:01.23 | Cronium | Didnt that one just print to chatwindow? |
| 14:02.13 | Felyza | "hellow world in a window" |
| 14:02.15 | Wobin | I'm sure there was another one |
| 14:02.16 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:02.19 | download | mail server ate my sword D: |
| 14:02.20 | Wobin | or maybe the tictactoe one |
| 14:02.33 | Felyza | http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/helloworld-window.aspx |
| 14:02.45 | Wobin | night all |
| 14:02.58 | download | dont accept a package while accepting a scenario start...the mail window will stay open and the item will be lost |
| 14:03.20 | Felyza | good to know |
| 14:04.05 | download | also, its not possible to recieve enemy faction gear from loots is it? |
| 14:04.18 | Felyza | in a few places it is |
| 14:04.33 | Felyza | they tend to fix them though, so not regularly |
| 14:05.16 | Felyza | last i saw was sacellyum dungeons from trash npc's... dropped a mix of order and destruction loot, don't know if trash was fixed, though i know they fixed the boss |
| 14:05.17 | download | ive seen some gear in the auction house for other faction. and the players arent searchable so i figure they are on the other side too |
| 14:05.31 | download | actually i bought and recieved one item just to see if it works |
| 14:06.02 | download | and happily recieved the item |
| 14:06.14 | Felyza | there is some broken gear in the game, like the staff from fragile light quest in avelorn, a shaman can equip it in ranged slot |
| 14:07.00 | download | theres a wrench for engineers that has the wrong model bound to it so it looks like they are carrying a giant orc flag |
| 14:07.14 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:07.22 | Felyza | my pvp chest gear is broken too, model missing, so it looks like i wear pasties |
| 14:07.51 | shockbeta | anyone know slash command to start dumping logs from war? or do you have to set that up in a settings file? |
| 14:07.51 | download | T___T |
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| 14:07.53 | Felyza | there's a triangle of pink 'missing texture' color where the nipples are supposed to be |
| 14:08.26 | Felyza | shockbeta, you have to set that while game is closed, its a setting in usersettings.xml |
| 14:08.38 | download | lol |
| 14:08.39 | Felyza | when you exit game, its overwritten |
| 14:08.43 | shockbeta | yeah I seen it before, was jsut hoping you could toggle it in game |
| 14:08.59 | Felyza | not that i know of |
| 14:09.02 | shockbeta | I don't need everything dumped, just a little bit I wanted printed out:p |
| 14:09.07 | Asac_ | Hey, is it possible to start writing an text like /guild |
| 14:09.30 | download | http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8793/traitorei9.jpg here you go, now you know order are your friends |
| 14:12.41 | Sores | download: haha that must be fake? |
| 14:13.02 | Felyza | Sores, its not, i've seen it myself |
| 14:13.06 | download | no its a bug |
| 14:13.23 | download | confirmed many times |
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| 14:14.02 | Sores | bah pidgin crashed |
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| 14:15.01 | Cronium | hmm, anyone know how to get the list of people trying to signup for a guild event? |
| 14:15.01 | *** mode/#WARUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 14:18.26 | Sores | cronium, no idea, but look at GuildWindowTabAdmin? |
| 14:18.34 | Sores | GuildWindowTabAdmin.PERMISSION_EVENT_SIGNUP |
| 14:18.39 | Sores | seems like an event? |
| 14:18.44 | Sores | nvm |
| 14:19.00 | Cronium | Been looking @ TabCalendar |
| 14:19.02 | Sores | GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData |
| 14:19.10 | Cronium | i think thats if the person is allowed to signup for events. |
| 14:19.12 | Sores | -- Local Functions for Signups |
| 14:19.12 | Sores | Line 44 : local function FilterSignupList() |
| 14:19.17 | Cronium | woo how did i miss that. |
| 14:19.36 | Sores | for dataIndex, data in ipairs(GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData) :P |
| 14:19.37 | Sores | etc |
| 14:19.41 | Cronium | actually weird where did you find that function? |
| 14:19.47 | Sores | i searched in all files for |
| 14:19.48 | Cronium | its not on the big page with the all list |
| 14:19.49 | Sores | signup :P |
| 14:19.50 | Sores | in notepad |
| 14:20.02 | Sores | notepad++ rather |
| 14:20.31 | Sores | Cronium: [\data\interface\default\ea_guildwindow\source\guildwindowtabcalendar.lua] = file |
| 14:21.58 | Cronium | do you know if its in thewarwiki? |
| 14:23.24 | Sores | no idea, but a whole lot is undocumented |
| 14:23.32 | Sores | even really used functions, such as WindowSetDimensions |
| 14:23.33 | Sores | isn't documented |
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| 14:24.28 | Sores | One should really make it a habit documenting when discovering, it is really nice having :) |
| 14:24.29 | Cronium | im trying to make a simple addon to show the level and class of people in the list |
| 14:24.47 | Sores | shouldn't be hard, if youl ook in guildwindowtabcalendar |
| 14:25.00 | Cronium | which when I thought of it seemed like a simple proposition |
| 14:25.05 | Cronium | but now it looks painful :( |
| 14:25.11 | Sores | what is the painful part? |
| 14:25.15 | Sores | getting the data, or displaying it? |
| 14:25.20 | Cronium | learning LUA haha |
| 14:25.29 | Sores | www.lua.org/pil |
| 14:25.31 | Cronium | well i suppose more getting use to LUA then learning it. |
| 14:25.48 | Sores | Is a really good start, if you have previous programming knowledge, browsing source code is also easy |
| 14:25.55 | Sores | with a help of pil when not knowing how the language in question works |
| 14:27.19 | Cronium | i guess ill start reading source files |
| 14:29.04 | Sores | and if you don't know what a table in the lua source code contains, an easy way to see it is to use the debug window |
| 14:29.05 | Sores | in-game |
| 14:29.12 | Sores | and actually dump the it there |
| 14:30.04 | Cronium | is it interface.myp that contains the LUA files? |
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| 14:30.18 | Sores | you can extract all the lua / xml files for the interface there, yes. |
| 14:30.34 | Cronium | unmyp doesnt seem to like it, hmm |
| 14:30.38 | Sores | Or download it from wardiff |
| 14:30.40 | nicoli_s | get easymyp |
| 14:30.57 | Sores | http://code.google.com/p/wardiff/downloads/list |
| 14:31.16 | Sores | and if you get easymyp, get the hash as well, or else |
| 14:31.23 | Sores | the filenames will not be really readable |
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| 14:39.31 | Chryzo | Sores: lol :) |
| 14:43.55 | Asac_ | Hmm what does: "Attempt to concatenate a wstring value" mean? |
| 14:44.23 | shockbeta | means it's wrong type of string mroe or less |
| 14:44.23 | zarious | you tried to concatenate something that wasn't a wstring with a wstring |
| 14:44.38 | zarious | usually means you tried to do somehting like (L"something" .. "somethingelse") |
| 14:44.48 | shockbeta | L"this is okay".."this isn't" |
| 14:45.35 | zarious | L"this is a wstring" .. "this is a string" would be illegal, L"this is a wstring" .. StringToWString("this used to be a string, no its a wstring") would work |
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| 14:45.45 | shockbeta | strtemp = "hey"; strtemp..L"this will fail"; towtring(strtemp)..L"this won't" |
| 14:46.04 | shockbeta | lol what zarious said;) |
| 14:46.32 | zarious | towstring works for some things but im not sure of the difference so i always use StringToWString |
| 14:46.33 | malfeasance | can someone with a retail version of warhammer send me a list of their files |
| 14:46.53 | shockbeta | I've always gotten away with how I used it |
| 14:47.02 | Sores | malfeasance: why not wardiff? |
| 14:47.06 | Sores | i could, but i'm eu |
| 14:47.26 | malfeasance | do you have a video.myp or something similar |
| 14:47.27 | malfeasance | ? |
| 14:47.31 | shockbeta | it bit me in one place, but it had to do with edit boxes and the such |
| 14:47.33 | Sores | not extracted, but can check |
| 14:48.00 | Sores | aye i do, unextracted though. |
| 14:48.09 | malfeasance | ok thanks Sores |
| 14:48.11 | Sores | If you want me to send it, i'll do |
| 14:48.38 | malfeasance | actually that already helped me out, thanks |
| 14:48.41 | shockbeta | thikn eu and us may be different to an extent |
| 14:48.44 | Sores | Ok |
| 14:48.44 | Asac_ | Why this wont work: |
| 14:48.45 | Asac_ | local CurrID = EA_ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabID; |
| 14:48.45 | Asac_ | TextLogAddEntry("Chat", 5, L"CurrID: "..CurrID); |
| 14:48.47 | shockbeta | somethign about loading screens |
| 14:48.51 | malfeasance | shockbeta, yea they are |
| 14:49.05 | Sores | Even got diff video files :) |
| 14:49.12 | shockbeta | towstring(tostring(CurrID)) |
| 14:49.17 | Sores | video.myp & video_language.myp |
| 14:49.27 | Sores | were langauge is language X |
| 14:50.00 | Sores | Asac_: as someone said earlier |
| 14:50.07 | Sores | GetCurrentTabID doesn't exist |
| 14:50.25 | malfeasance | Sores, want to test a patch for me? |
| 14:50.36 | shockbeta | Yeah but Asac_ was asking about concatenating so I assume that was the current problem. |
| 14:50.37 | Sores | malfeasance: what kind of patch? |
| 14:50.50 | Asac_ | hmm ;> |
| 14:50.59 | Asac_ | and how is it possible to get the current tab name |
| 14:51.09 | shockbeta | they mentioned it earlier |
| 14:52.56 | shockbeta | local tabManagerId = EA_ChatTabManager.activeTabId you said you'd try that did it now work? |
| 14:54.26 | shockbeta | oh .. maybe this -> EA_ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabName() |
| 14:54.28 | Asac_ | gimme 2 sek ;> |
| 14:54.29 | Asac_ | i try |
| 14:55.00 | shockbeta | DEBUG(L"CurrentTabName: "..towstring(EA_ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabName())) |
| 14:55.59 | Chryzo | malfeasance: what you doing ? |
| 14:56.35 | Asac_ | EA_ChatTabManager.activeTabId <-- only returns 0 |
| 14:56.52 | Sores | Asac_: Do you have the default tab chat open? if so i bet that is what it should return |
| 14:57.04 | Sores | no idea, never dealt with the chat window |
| 14:57.28 | Cronium | Any ideas on how to dump a variable inside a function? |
| 14:57.41 | Cronium | without changing the original function. |
| 14:57.47 | Asac_ | no ;> |
| 14:57.51 | Asac_ | ive made my own chat tab |
| 14:58.00 | Sores | you can't, unless, it returns it, or it's a global variable |
| 14:58.10 | Cronium | :\ |
| 14:58.24 | Sores | well it doesn't have to be global, global, but it can't be in the function scope |
| 14:58.54 | Sores | but just track it down, is that variable set in the function?, mayby it got it's value from some other function? |
| 14:59.15 | Cronium | local memberData = GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData[dataIndex] |
| 14:59.24 | Asac_ | EA_ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabName <-- should this be a variable or a function!? |
| 14:59.32 | Sores | Asac_: function |
| 14:59.36 | Asac_ | Ah k |
| 14:59.36 | Cronium | i think dataIndex is a table containing the current signed up members for a event. |
| 14:59.38 | Sores | if it exists |
| 15:00.05 | Cronium | I want to see exactly whats inside, because the function that builds it is a little vague. |
| 15:00.26 | Sores | just du mp GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData |
| 15:00.57 | Cronium | any idea how? |
| 15:01.12 | Sores | One item in signupListData should be one player in the signup list. /scriopt d(GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData) |
| 15:01.37 | zarious | WobWork, you around? |
| 15:01.40 | Sores | But there is also the possibility that you have to dig further, to where signupListData is updated, probably in some function in GuildWindowTabCalendar |
| 15:02.09 | Sores | probably also called something like UpdatexxData() |
| 15:03.09 | Cronium | ah nice |
| 15:03.17 | Cronium | its an array of tables |
| 15:03.17 | Sores | Found it? |
| 15:03.21 | Sores | of course |
| 15:03.43 | Cronium | each table has 4 values, a memberID, a name and a boolean indicating if they are accepted for the event. |
| 15:04.05 | Sores | Now all you've got to do, is dig further to where it is being updated |
| 15:04.08 | Sores | so that you can get up-to-date data, then display it |
| 15:04.10 | Cronium | the simplest hack would be to manipulate the name in each table |
| 15:04.19 | Cronium | and append a rank and their class |
| 15:10.06 | Asac_ | shockbeta ive tried DEBUG(L"CurrentTabName: "..towstring(EA_ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabName())) |
| 15:10.30 | Asac_ | but it returns Error: Getcurrenttabname returns a nil value |
| 15:10.54 | Felyza | asac_, just do d(EA_ChatWindow.GetCurrentTabName()) |
| 15:11.29 | Felyza | d() will output anything to debug window, and doesn't care about wide strings |
| 15:11.44 | Asac_ | the same result :> |
| 15:12.55 | Asac_ | hmm is it not possible to get the akt Chan name? :> |
| 15:13.43 | Cronium | sores, is it possible to uh... overwrite a function? |
| 15:13.49 | nicoli_s | yes |
| 15:13.55 | Sores | Cronium: you can hook |
| 15:14.57 | Sores | Cronium: http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Correct_Hooking_Procedure |
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| 15:16.27 | shockbeta | Alright I'm off to work. |
| 15:16.54 | Cronium | so in this case, I would just overwrite thier function with mine |
| 15:17.14 | Cronium | through not calling thier function anymore would break the chain... |
| 15:17.18 | Sores | yes, but.. it's not as simple as that |
| 15:17.26 | Sores | you would have to either pre or postcall their function |
| 15:28.36 | Cronium | hmm, I dont think hooking is really the answer, I dont really need to call anything pre, or after the function |
| 15:28.45 | Cronium | I just want to change what the function itself does. |
| 15:29.48 | Cronium | really just want to change one line |
| 15:30.13 | Cronium | GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData[key].name = value.name to GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData[key].name = value.name .. " [" .. value.rank .. "]" |
| 15:32.25 | Sores | if you want to change what the function does, hooking is the way to go, and if you god forbid actually want to change the name, you would first have the original function called |
| 15:32.52 | Sores | then your function executed |
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| 15:33.45 | Felyza | If you want a good hook example, check out my addon windowmovers, its entirely hook based |
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| 15:38.44 | Felyza | Cronium, in windowmovers, the cascading hooks were designed to change 1 lines of a function, to add an 'if (condition) then (don't do something) end' |
| 15:38.55 | Felyza | 1 line* |
| 15:39.19 | Cronium | im looking at it now |
| 15:39.46 | Felyza | that's why the line "if closeCallback == CharacterWindow.Hide then return end" comes before i call the original function |
| 15:43.08 | Felyza | in my addon rvr stats tab, to make it work right, i had to modify several points of the character window display function, so i copy/pasted the whole thing, and changed the pieces i need to, and don't call the original one |
| 15:43.15 | Cronium | See I don't really understand exactly what the function OnShownHook is doing. |
| 15:43.48 | Sores | Felyza: what happens if someoen else try to hook it, wouldn't work in the long run :P |
| 15:43.56 | Cronium | it checks if the callback is from characterwindow or the backpack, then it does nothing? |
| 15:44.12 | Cronium | otherwise, it does whatever WindowUtil.onShown does? |
| 15:44.26 | Felyza | sores, it works much the same as the default, and i have another addon that requires it, and it fires fine, the added stuff ONLY affects my tab |
| 15:44.38 | Sores | okey |
| 15:45.08 | Felyza | since my other addon works with it, and uses both functions and events, and has no issues with it, i'm in the clear for now |
| 15:46.18 | Felyza | cronium, that original function declaration is "WindowUtils.OnShown(closeCallback, mode)", I use the local closeCallback = (select(1, ...)) to find out the value of the first argument, then change what occurs based on that |
| 15:46.24 | Cronium | Can you have a look @ this and tell me if its wonky in some way? |
| 15:46.25 | Cronium | http://waruidev.pastey.net/98942 |
| 15:46.36 | Cronium | All im really doing is simply copy pasting the original function |
| 15:46.52 | Cronium | changing the line I wanted, and simply changing it to point to my function. |
| 15:46.57 | Felyza | as sores said though, be very careful when you copy a function ;) |
| 15:48.58 | Felyza | this might just be my stupidity, but why are you adding that there, doesn't seem to be a purpose to it |
| 15:49.29 | Cronium | I doubt your stupid, possibly im just being crazy. |
| 15:49.46 | Felyza | especially with the next line being GuildWindowTabCalendar.signupListData[key].rank = value.rank? |
| 15:49.50 | Cronium | But all I actually wanted to do was append something like Blah [39] |
| 15:50.02 | Felyza | you mean add a window element? |
| 15:50.09 | Cronium | You know how the Calendar signup sheet currently just shows people signed up for a event |
| 15:50.10 | Felyza | or modify a label? |
| 15:50.14 | Cronium | ie, only their name? |
| 15:50.43 | Cronium | I wanted to try to append their rank to the end of thier name, as I got tired of switching back to roster. |
| 15:51.25 | Felyza | hmm, you might be better off hooking the onshown, call the original function first, then just set label text of them to your string rather than rewriting how their name is actually stored |
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| 15:52.09 | Felyza | changing how it is stored is a big change to a system variable, which could potentially break other people's addons |
| 15:53.22 | Cronium | well i was actually trying to be lazy, if I change the label itself, I would probably need to call GuildMemberList or something to figure out what rank they are. |
| 15:53.34 | Sores | or the ui itself, if some other place depends it |
| 15:53.52 | Cronium | At the time, it seemed convenient that they had value.rank in there, even through they wernt using it. |
| 15:53.56 | Sores | depends upon it* |
| 15:54.24 | Asac_ | hmm i'm always looking for an function or an variable to find the actual chat window :> |
| 15:55.31 | Felyza | asac_, check SystemData.UserInput.ChatChannel |
| 15:56.04 | Felyza | err, window, not channel |
| 15:56.16 | Asac_ | ahh ok i will give it a try |
| 15:56.23 | Asac_ | but at the first i have to drive home ;P |
| 15:56.25 | Felyza | that might give you active channel |
| 15:56.33 | Asac_ | i hope so :) |
| 15:56.35 | Felyza | don't know about window |
| 15:56.37 | Cronium | I suppose being lazy wasn't the greatest of ideas |
| 15:56.50 | Felyza | lazy = things that break really easy or break other's people's work |
| 15:57.08 | Cronium | I guess I will look for where it creates the labels that make up window |
| 15:57.36 | Felyza | diligent = works with minimal updating most of the time, doesn't affect others, and gets alot more positive feedback |
| 15:58.12 | Cronium | well, tbh I didnt actually ever plan on distributing it. mostly i was a quick hack for personal use. |
| 15:58.19 | Felyza | ah |
| 15:58.40 | Felyza | well, if you made it release quality, i'm sure it would help alot of people, because i hear that gripe alot |
| 15:58.51 | Cronium | heres hoping. |
| 15:58.58 | Felyza | listboxes and i don't get along, so i haven't touched it |
| 15:59.09 | Sores | i also want to learn about listboxes |
| 15:59.12 | Felyza | i have YET to make a listbox display in game |
| 15:59.15 | Sores | i were about to use it for scstats |
| 15:59.26 | Sores | but, i just didn't invest the time to learn about it |
| 15:59.32 | Cronium | longest name for a row ever = GWCalendarSelectedAppointmentSignupListRow1Name |
| 15:59.37 | Sores | so instead i went with my own little thing :P |
| 15:59.42 | Felyza | i can make one, make it have the right # of lines, but its empty of text... when the table has the right text, it doesnt' make the lines |
| 16:00.16 | Felyza | I've got one that completely automates cultivating... it will never see release ;) |
| 16:00.26 | Cronium | hax. |
| 16:00.26 | Sores | hehe |
| 16:01.10 | Sores | It wouldnt be to hard learning about listboxes, would just be time consuming as heck |
| 16:01.14 | Felyza | uses best seeds, best water/soil/fertilizer if its over level 100 seed, or store bought if under 100 ;) |
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| 16:01.35 | Sores | and a whole lot of testing required |
| 16:02.08 | Cronium | hmm ok, so UpdateSignupRow is what actually creates all the listrows |
| 16:02.12 | Felyza | sores, i took the listexample addon, changed the names to other words, and can't get it to display... ONLY CHANGING THE CONTENTS OF A STRING |
| 16:02.35 | Felyza | 6 hours trying, and i gave up |
| 16:02.37 | Sores | Felyza: well i think it uses tables |
| 16:02.39 | Sores | to list everything |
| 16:02.42 | Cronium | progrmatically generating new elements as it goes along, which is pretty cool. |
| 16:03.15 | Sores | it also uses functions to update everything, that in the lua, is defined in some kind of child element |
| 16:03.18 | Felyza | hmm |
| 16:03.26 | Sores | lua = xml** |
| 16:03.42 | Sores | Take a look at the scenario scoreboard |
| 16:03.46 | Sores | in the xml |
| 16:04.02 | Sores | i didn't really look closely, just a tad when browsing for other stuff |
| 16:04.12 | Felyza | just found a 1 time use c function (its used all of 1 time in the default interface) TomeGetBestiarySubTypeData( id ) |
| 16:04.47 | nicoli_s | what do you mena one time use? |
| 16:04.56 | nicoli_s | mean* |
| 16:05.08 | Felyza | a c function that's only used once in the default interface, never declared |
| 16:05.34 | Felyza | something that can be put to good use for my own stuff, of course |
| 16:06.36 | Felyza | stuff like labelsettext is used many many times, many are used only a few times, but every now and then, i find a c function that's only used once |
| 16:06.57 | download | can i ask non related question |
| 16:07.11 | Felyza | (its called every time you click a subtype, but still, grep finds it only once) |
| 16:07.26 | Sores | felyza, it might only be needed ones, mayby it stores it somewhere |
| 16:07.40 | Sores | such as, having a function return "SubTypeData" id in question |
| 16:07.54 | download | how is renown calculated in scenarios for a tank... |
| 16:07.55 | Felyza | sores, it sets TomeWindow.Bestiary.CurSubTypeData every time you click a subtype |
| 16:08.17 | Sores | Felyza: well then it's accessible from there |
| 16:08.36 | Sores | and if it's updated each time you click a subtype, it will keep up to date |
| 16:09.36 | Sores | But your dilemma isn't that? Is it that you need access to it, whenever you see fit? |
| 16:09.37 | Felyza | sores, "id" comes from clicking the subtype.... "TomeWindow.Bestiary.CurSubTypeData = TomeGetBestiarySubTypeData( id )", so if i call it with an arbatrary (sp?) id, i can read off kill counts for the classes |
| 16:10.47 | Felyza | sorry, feeling chatty today... i either ramble or am very very quiet |
| 16:11.08 | Sores | hehe same :P |
| 16:11.33 | Sores | About to make some food and watch a movie though, soon, "Gone Baby Gone" or possibly "The bucket list"(haven't seen it, suppose to be good) |
| 16:11.49 | Cronium | Does LabelGetText actually do what it seems to imply it does? |
| 16:12.05 | Felyza | returns the string currently displayed by the label |
| 16:12.18 | Cronium | doesnt return anything for me :( |
| 16:12.25 | Cronium | maybe im doing something wrong hmm. |
| 16:12.32 | Sores | Cronium: LabelGetText("labelwindowname") |
| 16:12.37 | Sores | make sure the name is correct |
| 16:12.41 | Cronium | LabelGetText("GWCalendarSelectedAppointmentSignupsListRow1Name") |
| 16:13.40 | Cronium | nevermind im a noob. |
| 16:13.51 | Cronium | forgot to dump the variable. sigh not paticularly good at this. |
| 16:14.47 | Felyza | when i started i was a newb, when i had been at it a while, i was still a newb, and when compared to most in here, i'm still a newb, so don't feel bad |
| 16:15.07 | Felyza | i'm just an educated newb now ;) |
| 16:17.49 | Cronium | is there a function I can use to return the number of elements in a array? |
| 16:18.24 | Sores | # |
| 16:18.28 | Sores | is last element |
| 16:18.33 | Chryzo | #array_var |
| 16:19.22 | Cronium | sorry i dont understand? |
| 16:21.02 | Chryzo | okay, your table is named: myTable |
| 16:21.16 | Chryzo | to know its length, use #myTable |
| 16:21.21 | Cronium | Oh wow. |
| 16:21.23 | Cronium | Magical. |
| 16:21.31 | Cronium | im assuming #myTable is a integer |
| 16:21.35 | Chryzo | yeap |
| 16:21.44 | Cronium | thats amazingly convinent |
| 16:21.52 | Chryzo | and beware, myTable[#myTable] does not always return the last element :) |
| 16:31.03 | Cronium | possible another stupid question, but the API doesnt have anything |
| 16:31.23 | Cronium | but is there any function which I can pass a guild members name, and recieve back a table of info on them or something |
| 16:31.41 | Cronium | i know i can call GetGuildMemberData |
| 16:31.56 | Cronium | but that seems to return the data on every single member of the guild |
| 16:34.16 | Sores | Chryzo: how does it not? |
| 16:34.27 | Sores | if you mean last as in alst in for example the guild window, no |
| 16:34.33 | Sores | those can be sorted in a variety of ways |
| 16:35.27 | Sores | `last' can be declared in a variety of ways, but the most logical is the last element :P |
| 16:36.16 | Chryzo | am just warning him that last is not always last :) |
| 16:36.35 | Chryzo | and since you can have actually start a table at the 0 value |
| 16:37.04 | Chryzo | you can also have negative indexes and weird stuff like that |
| 16:38.43 | Sores | tables can also be like this: {1, 2, a="whatever", foo="bar", 8, 3} |
| 16:39.07 | Sores | which changes it as well :P |
| 16:43.17 | Cronium | I know im being a pain, but can someone look over this new code I wrote? |
| 16:43.26 | Cronium | http://waruidev.pastey.net/98949 |
| 16:43.37 | Cronium | I would like to think its reasonable correct and error free. |
| 16:44.38 | shockbeta|work | currentRow = "GWCalendarSelectedAppointmentSignupsListRow"..i -> currentRow = "GWCalendarSelectedAppointmentSignupsListRow"..tostring(i) |
| 16:45.46 | shockbeta|work | or maybe not.. not sure what oyu're doing there |
| 16:46.01 | Cronium | the elements are all named things like |
| 16:46.20 | Cronium | .....ListRow1Name |
| 16:46.37 | Cronium | it programmatically creates them so I have to replicate |
| 16:47.02 | Cronium | thier code does something like local rowFrame = "GWCalendarSelectedAppointmentSignupsListRow"..rowIndex |
| 16:49.49 | shockbeta|work | what's the "#" opreator do? or is that something else? |
| 16:50.23 | Cronium | apparently it returns the number of elements in the table it prefixes |
| 16:50.33 | Cronium | so #table = number of elements in table |
| 16:50.43 | shockbeta|work | oh so it's like getn |
| 16:51.50 | shockbeta|work | .. will auto convert var types toa string then? |
| 16:52.53 | shockbeta|work | looks good to me. |
| 16:54.04 | Cronium | now i need to hook it hmm |
| 16:55.34 | shockbeta|work | haha.. I asked stupid questions... lol scrolled up and reread... answers were just said earlier... |
| 17:01.49 | Felyza | lua> fruits = { apple, banana, pear } print("There are " .. #fruits .. "fruits. Which include..") for i = 1, #fruits do print fruits[i] end |
| 17:01.49 | lua_bot | Felyza: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'fruits' |
| 17:02.14 | Felyza | lua> fruits = { apple, banana, pear } print("There are " .. #fruits .. "fruits. Which include..") for i = 1, #fruits do print(fruits[i]) end |
| 17:02.14 | lua_bot | Felyza: There are 0fruits. Which include.. |
| 17:02.29 | Felyza | i messed something up on that |
| 17:03.04 | Cronium | hmm Felyza, is there a easy way to tell if an addon is correctly loaded? |
| 17:03.06 | Felyza | lua> fruits = { "apple", "banana", "pear" } print("There are " .. #fruits .. " fruits. Which include..") for i = 1, #fruits do print(fruits[i]) end |
| 17:03.06 | lua_bot | Felyza: There are 3 fruits. Which include.., apple, banana, pear |
| 17:03.16 | Cronium | cause i cant call any of my functions :( |
| 17:03.21 | Chryzo | true Sores :) |
| 17:05.02 | Felyza | cronium," if AddonName then" (assuming they have "AddonName= {}" in their addon) |
| 17:06.42 | Felyza | oh, and morning chryzo |
| 17:06.45 | Felyza | ;) |
| 17:06.50 | Chryzo | nig nig Felyza |
| 17:06.54 | Chryzo | though i am making diner :) |
| 17:06.58 | Chryzo | going back to it by the way |
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| 17:07.23 | Felyza | you just made an appearance recently, so it is morning for you, its common knowledge to irc |
| 17:08.59 | Cronium | hmmm |
| 17:09.07 | Cronium | so type /script AddonName.function() |
| 17:09.17 | Cronium | makes debug tell me that it cant find the index global |
| 17:09.24 | Cronium | i dont think its loaded correctly :( |
| 17:09.49 | Repo | 10zmm: 03Adalyn 07master * v0.3.3-2-g924fff0 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 17:09.50 | Repo | 924fff0: added mail icon, including mouse over |
| 17:09.54 | Repo | 1efd65b: changed font size for zone text |
| 17:10.06 | Chryzo | scroll bck up Felyza :) |
| 17:10.22 | Repo | 10zmm: 03Adalyn 04v0.3.4 * d03feed /: [new tag] 0.3.4 release |
| 17:12.51 | `Zypher | rawr |
| 17:17.04 | Felyza | ~nickometer `Zypher |
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| 17:21.48 | Felyza | anyone in game on order side that has participated in pvp that can do a few quick things for me? |
| 17:23.12 | Felyza | i need someone on order to click on the tome, navigate to the beastiary, to chaos, click one of the player classes, then open debug window, turn logging on, and do "/script d(TomeWindow.Bestiary.CurSubTypeData)" |
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| 17:25.10 | `Zypher | Felyza: what info do you want? |
| 17:25.18 | Felyza | id |
| 17:25.25 | `Zypher | mine is for Empire tho |
| 17:25.28 | `Zypher | too bad eh |
| 17:25.59 | Felyza | empire should work too, was hoping to see the basis based on order side, but i can start digging with the other way |
| 17:26.18 | Felyza | i'm at work, so can't test stuff in game right now ;) |
| 17:26.22 | Cronium | @project war/Rotisserie |
| 17:26.22 | Repo | Cronium: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/rotisserie/. Rotisserie. Game: WAR. Status: Waiting for file. Leader: Cronium. Updated: 90 seconds ago |
| 17:26.41 | Cronium | well at least that worked :\ |
| 17:26.54 | `Zypher | (wstring) name = Humans |
| 17:27.03 | `Zypher | (number) id = 16 |
| 17:27.04 | `Zypher | :D |
| 17:27.14 | `Zypher | doesn't chaos fall under human too ? |
| 17:27.27 | `Zypher | same with elves |
| 17:27.33 | Felyza | i need the id for something like archmage or magus |
| 17:27.46 | Felyza | looking for subtype |
| 17:29.59 | TheBigZ-42 | Felyza: you need to open up the data.myp file all that id info is there.. the bad part is that there are about 4 id's for each type. The good part is that even though they have careers for male/female lines they only ever use the id's for the male line..at leas so says one of their comments in the interface |
| 17:30.07 | `Zypher | chosen: 14 |
| 17:30.11 | `Zypher | magus: 15 |
| 17:30.16 | `Zypher | marauder: 16 |
| 17:30.26 | `Zypher | zealot: 17 |
| 17:30.35 | TheBigZ-42 | `Zypher: those are only ONE of the id's the game could use for each, haha. |
| 17:30.39 | Felyza | `Zypher, thanks, I know what I'm looking for now |
| 17:30.43 | `Zypher | kk |
| 17:30.50 | `Zypher | TheBigZ-42: I'm just halping heem |
| 17:30.58 | `Zypher | It really has no bearing on me |
| 17:31.16 | Felyza | TheBigZ-42, There's a few different ones that could be used, I was wanting to know which ones were being used in game, so I know where to search in the data stuff |
| 17:31.37 | nicoli_s | the line ids are the ones they use most heavily in the game |
| 17:31.41 | nicoli_s | it's the ids that wardb uses |
| 17:32.00 | Felyza | tome class subtype id? |
| 17:32.10 | nicoli_s | oh i meant for classes |
| 17:32.19 | `Zypher | nicoli_s: wardb = fail |
| 17:32.25 | `Zypher | it still doesn't know where I got my chest |
| 17:32.31 | `Zypher | even tho I've killed the guy twice |
| 17:32.34 | `Zypher | :> |
| 17:32.40 | nicoli_s | you kill a mob? |
| 17:32.48 | `Zypher | yar |
| 17:32.56 | Felyza | Yeah, it misses ALOT of loot pickups |
| 17:33.15 | `Zypher | http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=434789 |
| 17:33.16 | nicoli_s | well shit, this is the first time im hearing this, thanks for the feedback |
| 17:33.17 | `Zypher | look |
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| 17:33.29 | nicoli_s | if you have a problem send a feedback email |
| 17:33.34 | `Zypher | I am only witch elf in the world with it |
| 17:33.36 | nicoli_s | please |
| 17:33.44 | `Zypher | stfu with the feedback crap |
| 17:33.45 | TheBigZ-42 | `Zypher: I wonder, does it pick it up if you don't use the loot all mechanism? Which are you using? |
| 17:33.50 | `Zypher | that is all the stupid csr's ever say |
| 17:33.59 | nicoli_s | except im not a csr |
| 17:34.04 | `Zypher | TheBigZ-42: it was in PvE |
| 17:34.04 | Felyza | i mentioned it before, its been mentioned in the forums, its been mentioned in irc a few times... only seems to remember the last 20 or so greens or above, and even then, its hit and miss |
| 17:34.06 | nicoli_s | im the mother fucking dev mmkay? |
| 17:34.06 | `Zypher | like a boss |
| 17:34.10 | `Zypher | that dropped it |
| 17:34.24 | `Zypher | nicoli_s: I will go around you and talk to Adamar :P |
| 17:34.38 | nicoli_s | who is much to busy to be doing wardb stuff atm |
| 17:34.51 | `Zypher | :'( |
| 17:34.56 | TheBigZ-42 | `Zypher: I know, but did you use lootz all or just lootz with a click on the item |
| 17:35.02 | `Zypher | master loot |
| 17:35.07 | `Zypher | I looted it |
| 17:35.09 | `Zypher | to myself |
| 17:35.12 | nicoli_s | felyza, that is the way its coded |
| 17:35.20 | `Zypher | then the shaman chest to our shaman |
| 17:35.29 | `Zypher | and the marauder chest to our marauder |
| 17:35.32 | `Zypher | $$$ profit |
| 17:35.41 | nicoli_s | it only remembers the latest loots for your recently looted, though it should still mark items you discover as loot |
| 17:35.49 | `Zypher | The Bile Lord in Bilerot Burrow's |
| 17:35.59 | Felyza | where it remembers 20 or so of the last 100 green pick ups, with no seeming rhyme or reason to which 20? |
| 17:36.46 | `Zypher | anyways |
| 17:36.51 | `Zypher | BetterCC is almost ready for commit |
| 17:36.52 | `Zypher | :D |
| 17:37.17 | Noctys | Hey everyone... Looking for a push in the right direction: How would I go about saving information to be used after next login. Setting, DB info, etc. Not looking for the full answer, just where I should start looking. |
| 17:37.32 | Felyza | savedvariables |
| 17:37.48 | TheBigZ-42 | ~thewarwiki |
| 17:37.59 | TheBigZ-42 | ~wtf thewarwiki |
| 17:38.04 | TheBigZ-42 | hmm |
| 17:38.09 | Felyza | http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Addon_Format, scroll down to saved variables |
| 17:38.54 | Felyza | look at any of a number of addons for examples of usage in practice |
| 17:39.32 | Noctys | Felyza: Thanks, that's what I was looking for. |
| 17:40.04 | nicoli_s | `Zypher, felyza, i'll look into loots not recording, any possible ideas what might be contributing to it in either of your cases? since ti submits and records fine for some people |
| 17:40.07 | Noctys | Felyza: Didn't want to spend 20 minutes looking in the wrong place (and I would have been looking at WAR & LUA functions) |
| 17:41.46 | `Zypher | nicoli_s: I reloadui a lot? |
| 17:43.00 | Cronium | my curse profiler doesnt even upload as far as I can tell. |
| 17:43.10 | Noctys | Is there a way to only load a certain set of variables based on what server they are on??? I know how to segement them out, but I don't want the extra bloat if I don't have to. |
| 17:43.16 | Cronium | according to wardb, my character is still rank 32 |
| 17:43.23 | Felyza | nicoli_s, it seems to gather more information regarding seeds than anything else, and i pick up ALOT of other stuff as well, including alot of blue and purple items (scavenging) |
| 17:44.07 | Felyza | nicoli_s, that may be luck of the draw only, but its the ONLY thing that seems to strike me as common to its uploaded info |
| 17:45.17 | Noctys | Felyza: (jumping in here, sorry if I'm not helping) Just from my experience seeds seem to drop 10x more than anything else so that could be why. I think they fixed that (are are looking to fix that) |
| 17:45.37 | Noctys | *(or are... |
| 17:46.07 | Felyza | noctys, with scavenging, i get 10x more green+ curios then i pick up in seeds |
| 17:47.51 | Noctys | Felyza: The DB that you are looking at is it for you personally or everyone on that server or everyone on all servers? |
| 17:49.17 | Felyza | just personal experience |
| 17:49.37 | Felyza | uploading to wardb,com that is |
| 17:50.03 | shockbeta|work | My one complaint with all the DB sites is they show where mobs are, but they show everywhere they were seen. even places you would be hard pressed to see them. Like somoone kited a mob somewhere and someone seen it and it was reported at that spot where it usually isn't |
| 17:50.25 | `Zypher | @project bettercc |
| 17:50.26 | Repo | `Zypher: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/bettercc/. BetterCC. Game: WAR. Status: Needs Approval. Leader: Adalyn. Updated: 6 seconds ago |
| 17:50.30 | `Zypher | go go Aiiane |
| 17:50.39 | Noctys | I meen that stats that are showing more seeds than anything else... Are those stats for your gatherings or everyones? |
| 17:50.50 | shockbeta|work | It'd be nice if there was some fading system for the pins to show density or the amount of times seen in a spot. |
| 17:51.39 | shockbeta|work | TO go further would to use a density cloud for standard mobs and pins for named mobs. |
| 17:51.57 | Noctys | shockbeta|work: Don't they sorta do that. You would see a big clump of dots around where they all are... And less and less as you get farther away. |
| 17:52.05 | Repo | 10bettercc: 03Adalyn 07master * df0bece / (3 files in 1 directory): [new] |
| 17:52.18 | `Zypher | oh woops |
| 17:52.19 | `Zypher | rofl |
| 17:52.23 | shockbeta|work | yeah, but it'd pins, and they cover up the map. given the pins give coords but still |
| 17:52.26 | `Zypher | I included a silly xml file |
| 17:53.00 | Repo | 10bettercc: 03Adalyn 07master * 89f4a24 templates.xml: [+1 commit] cleanup |
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| 17:53.31 | shockbeta|work | you never know how many spawn at a pin. a denisty map could use color. since a pin on a tiny map is a good distance in game. you can only place so many pins on one spot. |
| 17:54.09 | shockbeta|work | density map = density cloud |
| 17:54.20 | shockbeta|work | I just think it would look better. |
| 17:54.54 | Noctys | That would be nice... The other issue that they all seem to have is they usually pin where the person was standing when they saw them, not where the mob actually is. Not sure if that can actually be fixed based on the APIs out there. |
| 17:55.12 | malfeasance | is there a description of myp file format somewhere |
| 17:55.49 | shockbeta|work | Noctys: yeah that too, |
| 17:55.49 | `Zypher | can anyone approve projects?! |
| 17:56.04 | shockbeta|work | I can approve of your project:D |
| 17:56.10 | shockbeta|work | but not approve it |
| 17:56.12 | shockbeta|work | :p |
| 17:56.45 | `Zypher | grrrr |
| 17:56.52 | `Zypher | well I invite peoples to try it |
| 17:56.55 | `Zypher | I think it works well |
| 17:56.57 | Cronium | someone approved mine a little bit earlier |
| 17:56.59 | `Zypher | but I'm biased |
| 17:57.06 | shockbeta|work | a good example of a good idea turned bad is how allakhazam did ti... |
| 17:58.45 | shockbeta|work | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mob.html?wmob=525&locale=enUS;source=live <-- covers a good portion of the map up and doesn't really tell me where they are densse at |
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| 18:02.06 | nicoli_s | malfeasance, yeah one sevc |
| 18:02.20 | nicoli_s | http://forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2807 |
| 18:02.27 | malfeasance | nicoli_s, thanks! |
| 18:03.18 | nicoli_s | what do you need it for btw? if you have any questions feel free to ask, i know the format pretty well |
| 18:06.16 | malfeasance | nicoli_s, I am just experimenting at the moment, nothing particular in mind, was thinking about writing a command line tool to replace files |
| 18:06.57 | malfeasance | sort of like the replace feature in easymyp except just a command line tool |
| 18:07.20 | Felyza | what replace feature in easymyp |
| 18:07.28 | nicoli_s | shouldn't be too hard, they offer some padding some you can replace in files, and if there's not enough room, you can always append it to the end and change the offsets |
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| 18:12.23 | nicoli_s | i actually had a program to do just that in the bat, but it was hacky, dont think it even works atm |
| 18:12.26 | nicoli_s | beta* |
| 18:15.52 | Noctys | need a bit more help with saving variables... If I have: <SavedVariable name="LibTargetInfo.storedTargetClass" /> in my .mod file do I need to initilize the veriable in the LUA file, if so what do I initilize it as? |
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| 18:16.42 | shockbeta|work | LibTargetInfo.storedTargetClass = nil at top fo file usually |
| 18:17.14 | Noctys | shockbeta|work: Thanks. |
| 18:17.20 | shockbeta|work | then in init... if LibTargetInfo.storedTargetClass == nil then --set it to a default if you want... end |
| 18:18.20 | Noctys | so loading it at the start wont set it to NIL if it is saved? |
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| 18:20.06 | Sores | or else just use if not LibTargetInfo.storedTargetClass then LibTargetInfo.storedTargetClass = {} end or someting similiar |
| 18:20.09 | Sores | something* |
| 18:20.46 | Sores | that's what i have done with my add-on, and it has a saved variable |
| 18:20.50 | Sores | works like a charm |
| 18:22.29 | Noctys | thanks guys... I give those things a try. |
| 18:24.29 | Sores | Using scite atm for lua / xml, feel like trying out some editors, anyone got any preferences? |
| 18:24.43 | `Zypher | np++ |
| 18:26.07 | `Zypher | wtb greyhoof in irc |
| 18:26.07 | Sores | okey |
| 18:26.19 | Sores | I've never seen him on here, but always loved his sct |
| 18:27.32 | `Zypher | well I wants to talk to heem aboot it |
| 18:27.47 | Felyza | sores, i will whole heartedly tell you to try textpad |
| 18:28.27 | Sores | Felyza: will sure give it a try, using any specific plug-ins if there is any for it? |
| 18:28.36 | Felyza | i have it set up with full war api lua syntax color coding, and you can even set up to put stuff through luac |
| 18:28.51 | Sores | oh that is just awesome, how can i set up the |
| 18:28.58 | Sores | war api lua syntax coloring? |
| 18:29.06 | Felyza | no plugins, and i put a how-to and a syntax definition file on thewarwiki |
| 18:29.33 | Felyza | it has all the functions, and most of the variables for syntax highlighting so you know when you're doing it right |
| 18:29.36 | Sores | Oh i will really give that a try, it will sure come in handy, can one change settings such as indentation? |
| 18:29.43 | CowBook | i use ultraedit with a generic lua syntax highlighter |
| 18:29.45 | Felyza | yep |
| 18:29.51 | Sores | i like xml files to be indented as 2(no tabs, but spaces) |
| 18:29.55 | Sores | lua files as 4(spaces) |
| 18:30.07 | Sores | Does it support xml as well? |
| 18:30.32 | Felyza | ctrl-I increase indent, ctrl-shift-i decrease indent, you can set what indent for how far, and even to convert existings tabs to spaces |
| 18:30.53 | CowBook | i tend to do most of my coding in bbedit on the mac |
| 18:30.53 | Sores | okey sounds good |
| 18:30.58 | Felyza | http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:TextpadSyntaxDefinition |
| 18:31.00 | CowBook | which doesn't work as good for war |
| 18:31.23 | Sores | I were thinking about buying a mac, but upgraded my current comp instead |
| 18:31.38 | CowBook | i love my macbook pro, plays war pretty well too :D |
| 18:31.40 | Sores | and bought a legit version of vista 64 for it at the same time |
| 18:32.29 | Felyza | and you can add luac to the tools menu (like i did) to parse the lua, and it has an output subwindow, textpad has a find in files feature that supports full regex, can set up any file type and syntax with it |
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| 18:33.33 | Felyza | first thing to change on textpad though is in preferences, change from textpad-standard keys to windows-standard ;) |
| 18:33.40 | Sores | how doe sone add luac? |
| 18:33.49 | Sores | would be good when trying out a piece of code |
| 18:33.56 | Sores | that mnight not be "war" specific |
| 18:34.22 | Felyza | it parses to check for lua-errors, it doesn't care about function names |
| 18:34.35 | Felyza | it tells you when you have missing ()'s for instance |
| 18:34.43 | Sores | that's good |
| 18:34.53 | Sores | those are easily missed by the naked eye when tired :P |
| 18:37.30 | Felyza | download lua binaries, stick them in a folder (i put them in c:\lua), (in textpad) configure-prefereces-tools, add-program, select the luac5.1.exe, then select the + next to tools in the preferences window, select luac5.1, in parameters change "$File" to "-p $File" (without quotes)... then use it by tools-luac5.1 |
| 18:38.22 | Sores | okey, yeah i've already got the binaries since i use them for other things |
| 18:38.31 | Felyza | if you don't understand configure-preferences-tools, its navigating a menu ;) |
| 18:38.37 | Sores | :) |
| 18:39.55 | Felyza | good file.. output window gives "Tool completed successfully", bad lua, would give something like "C:\Lua\luac5.1.exe: ...tor\ExtractedNew\interface\default\ea_chatwindow\source\chatsettings.lua:25: ')' expected near 'local'" |
| 18:41.09 | Felyza | if it fails luac -p, then it will never pass in the repo ;) |
| 18:42.47 | Sores | yeah now lua works |
| 18:43.06 | Sores | but i dont think i've got the defention file to work |
| 18:43.22 | Sores | or nevermind, now it does :) |
| 18:43.37 | Felyza | did you mind the step "Close any open lua documents, then reopen them." |
| 18:44.31 | Felyza | if you're using my definition file, then change the colors of keywords 5 and keywords 6 to something different, i used purple, as they are only global variables, and not functions |
| 18:44.55 | Felyza | they have the systemdata and gamedata and a few other trees |
| 18:45.19 | Sores | but xml highlighting doesn't work |
| 18:45.37 | Sores | aye i've changed those |
| 18:46.25 | Sores | in Document classes, xml isn't even there |
| 18:46.49 | Felyza | then you need to set up xml, similar to lua... i haven't written a syntax definition for it yet... there's a generic xml syntax definition at http://textpad.com/add-ons/synu2z.html |
| 18:47.30 | Felyza | you need to create a new class for xml, just like you did lua, and set it up... i haven't tried it, but i would assume "xml schema" syntax definition would be the correct one |
| 18:47.53 | Sores | yeah can't be hard |
| 18:48.08 | Felyza | testing now |
| 18:49.16 | Felyza | VERY basic highlighting |
| 18:49.19 | Sores | working, but the one i chose wasn't very good |
| 18:49.20 | Sores | :P |
| 18:49.24 | Sores | doesn't color ´<' |
| 18:49.26 | Sores | etc |
| 18:49.55 | Sores | felyza, are you using a separate editor for xml? |
| 18:49.56 | Felyza | the xml schema syntax highlights <>/, and a few other things |
| 18:50.03 | Felyza | no |
| 18:50.06 | Sores | ok |
| 18:50.06 | Felyza | i do it all in textpad |
| 18:50.18 | Sores | hmm which one did you download? |
| 18:50.25 | Sores | mine doesn't do <>/ |
| 18:50.28 | Lunah | Felyza>download lua binaries, stick them in a folder (i put them in c:\lua), (in textpad) configure-prefereces-tools, add-program, select the luac5.1.exe, then select the + next to tools in the preferences window, select luac5.1, in parameters change "$File" to "-p $File" (without quotes)... then use it by tools-luac5.1 |
| 18:50.37 | Felyza | Syntax file for XML Schema, which supports not only MSXML3 but W3C WD too. |
| 18:50.38 | Lunah | would you mind re-linking that Felyza? |
| 18:50.44 | Lunah | the download that is |
| 18:50.59 | Felyza | i didn't link them, i can dig up a link for you though |
| 18:51.00 | Sores | aah thanks Felyza will try that one |
| 18:51.20 | Sores | http://luabinaries.luaforge.net/download.html |
| 18:51.22 | Lunah | if you wouldn't mind |
| 18:51.24 | Lunah | Thank ya much |
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| 18:51.31 | Felyza | http://luabinaries.luaforge.net/download.html |
| 18:51.37 | Sores | Felyza: beat you to it :) |
| 18:51.56 | Sores | Felyza: this editor does look sweet, wonder if i can get it to auto-indent |
| 18:52.03 | Felyza | it does |
| 18:52.06 | Felyza | ;) |
| 18:52.19 | `Zypher | someone get BetterCC |
| 18:52.21 | `Zypher | and tell me |
| 18:52.25 | `Zypher | if they liek it |
| 18:52.43 | Lunah | i'll break it for ya when I get home :) |
| 18:53.18 | Felyza | `Z, wouldn't use it |
| 18:53.46 | Felyza | I'm one of the really rare people that already have it down to a science on gcd |
| 18:53.53 | Sores | Felyza: that xml syntax file was a whole lot better |
| 18:53.58 | Felyza | =) |
| 18:54.15 | Sores | wonder if there is any xml validator plugin as well |
| 18:54.20 | Sores | then it'd be fullblown |
| 18:54.27 | Sores | You know to validate the xml, not the war part of it |
| 18:54.33 | Felyza | we don't have the schema to validate against |
| 18:54.34 | `Zypher | Felyza: it doesn't show the GCD |
| 18:54.39 | `Zypher | because I don't care about it |
| 18:54.49 | Lunah | 'Z wouldn't use, as I never look at my bars anyhow if only for the range (which actionbar color takes care of) |
| 18:54.52 | Sores | I ment more like validating for matching open / close bracers |
| 18:54.58 | Felyza | ah |
| 18:55.01 | Lunah | But I can still test it later |
| 18:55.09 | Sores | not validate the contents per se |
| 18:55.23 | Felyza | `Z, ah, i see what you mean now, i thought it was another 'better' gcd display |
| 18:55.49 | Sores | `Zypher: I'll try it later, when i log into the game, looks interesting |
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| 18:56.02 | Felyza | i'm one of the ones that can play with the UI off (until i need a rez) |
| 18:56.11 | Lunah | Same Fely :) |
| 18:56.35 | Sores | Felyza: strip it barebone, and only let the res dialog stay :P |
| 18:56.35 | Jenses | ditto |
| 18:56.36 | Lunah | not sure why I just truncated your name, excuse that |
| 18:56.36 | Sores | Have an addon hide everything or something |
| 18:56.58 | Sores | Or possibly v.i.a UiModWindow |
| 18:57.36 | Jenses | ./script WindowSetShowing("windowname", false) |
| 18:57.44 | Jenses | then get the window name by /debug and mouse over |
| 18:57.50 | Felyza | I've been considering making a 'flip switch' to hide almost everything, minimize the chat box, leave my potion bar up, leave pet display up, and hide EVERYTHING else |
| 18:57.59 | Lunah | hm |
| 18:58.02 | Jenses | who be these scum trying to take out castle! |
| 18:58.03 | Lunah | target window and player window |
| 18:58.09 | Lunah | rest could go |
| 18:58.23 | Felyza | lunah, the overhead hp bars are enough for me |
| 18:58.32 | Lunah | True that would work |
| 18:58.54 | Felyza | i'm a very low dot casting magus, most of what i do it pbaoe anyway |
| 18:59.00 | Lunah | Could get messy when they are in a group |
| 18:59.18 | Lunah | ewww magus |
| 18:59.23 | Lunah | how I loathe thee |
| 18:59.27 | Felyza | heh, if they die, i die, if i die, i get rezzed, that's how it works |
| 18:59.46 | Lunah | mainly for the simple fact you are much better at vortexing people in than our engineers it seems |
| 18:59.53 | Felyza | in pvp i'm focued immediately, if i'm in group, i'm aoe only |
| 19:00.10 | Lunah | yup magus dies before healers on my list |
| 19:00.22 | Felyza | class? |
| 19:00.25 | Lunah | i'll let everyone else worry about healers |
| 19:00.27 | Lunah | BW / IB |
| 19:00.37 | Sores | Felyza: was even possible to add *.mod files to it's highlight list(for xml) :P |
| 19:00.46 | Felyza | yep =) |
| 19:01.17 | Sores | Workspace in textpad, is it like a session? So that i can re-open all files |
| 19:01.20 | Sores | by loading it |
| 19:01.40 | Felyza | lunah, would you mind a bit of bw/ib to magus q&a in a private query? |
| 19:01.51 | Felyza | sores, yes |
| 19:01.52 | Lunah | Sure fire away. |
| 19:02.13 | Lunah | just waiting on a virtual machine to finish its windows updates >.< |
| 19:12.16 | shockbeta|work | I use textpad at home |
| 19:13.02 | Chryzo | hey, is there a main tank kind of addon already out ? |
| 19:13.14 | Sores | Textpad was awesome, the xml highlighting wasn't the best, but that's okey, more then makes up for it for lua :) |
| 19:13.28 | shockbeta|work | I have problems with it reconizing comment ends |
| 19:14.15 | shockbeta|work | I used this -> http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:TextpadSyntaxDefinition |
| 19:15.33 | shockbeta|work | you can trip it up by doing this --[[ or [[-- after --[[ to make it look like the rest of your file is commented out |
| 19:16.31 | shockbeta|work | I tried adding one or the other to CommentEndAlt ... but it didn't like it |
| 19:17.48 | Sores | lucky me i usually don't make that mistake :) |
| 19:18.08 | shockbeta|work | I don't comment like that, but other files are |
| 19:18.28 | shockbeta|work | even some of EA's are. I've opened and half the file is commented color |
| 19:18.52 | shockbeta|work | doesn't hurt really, but makes it so no syntax highlighting is seen |
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| 19:19.56 | Repo | Drycoded. Small fix, automatically show / hide stat window when entering / leaving scenarios. |
| 19:21.08 | shockbeta|work | I think the main problem is it checks for the single line comment within a comment. that's the only thing I can come up with why it messes it up |
| 19:21.32 | shockbeta|work | otherwise -- ]] or ]] -- would end the --[[ comment start |
| 19:21.51 | Sores | I use --[[ at times, but i mostly use it for myself, and deleting before i stop working. |
| 19:22.04 | Sores | simpel todos, or things i'm thinking about changing, or such stuff |
| 19:22.25 | shockbeta|work | I do it for testing when I want to comment out chunks of code that are suspect, and I want to verify other parts as working |
| 19:22.34 | Sores | Aye same |
| 19:22.51 | shockbeta|work | as I said it only bothers me when I open anotehr file form someone else and it comments out half the file... |
| 19:23.16 | shockbeta|work | then I have to really pay attention to see if they really did comment out out part of it |
| 19:23.18 | motd2k | art3mis> are you here? |
| 19:25.56 | shockbeta|work | openpartywindow.lua line 375 should bork textpad if you want to see it |
| 19:26.36 | shockbeta|work | and actionbars.lua all over the place |
| 19:27.04 | Sores | function OpenPartyWindow.UpdateEntireList() aye :/ |
| 19:27.05 | Sores | in that function |
| 19:27.21 | Sores | nvm that was commented |
| 19:29.15 | Sores | Felyza: ha, one thing i just noticed that isn't in norma lua, but warlua, is `continue', so if one uses continue, when having luac5.1 check for syntax errors |
| 19:29.23 | Sores | it thinks that is one :P |
| 19:30.08 | shockbeta|work | heh I've used continue in experimenting with addons.. think textpad even highlighted it for me |
| 19:30.22 | Sores | it does highlight it for me |
| 19:30.36 | Sores | but luac for syntax checking purposes, will show it as an error |
| 19:30.44 | Sores | '=' expected near 'end' (in one of my files) |
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| 19:31.11 | Sores | `continue' is actually one of those things one misses in normal lua, from other languages such as C |
| 19:31.35 | shockbeta|work | lua> for i = 0,5, 1 do if(i < 3) then conintue end break end |
| 19:31.35 | lua_bot | shockbeta|work: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'end' |
| 19:31.44 | shockbeta|work | ... |
| 19:31.56 | Sores | well you made a typo, |
| 19:32.13 | shockbeta|work | lua> for i = 0,5, 1 do if(i < 3) then continue end break end |
| 19:32.14 | lua_bot | shockbeta|work: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'end' |
| 19:32.25 | Sores | But that doesn't change the fact, normal lua doesn't have `continue' |
| 19:32.29 | Sores | :) |
| 19:32.35 | Sores | warlua does however |
| 19:32.38 | shockbeta|work | was checking if luabot knew about it |
| 19:33.02 | shockbeta|work | lua> for (i = 0, 5) do if(i < 3) then continue end break end |
| 19:33.03 | lua_bot | shockbeta|work: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 19:33.17 | shockbeta|work | blah I give make it work:(( |
| 19:33.34 | Felyza | sores, that's a known issue with war lua |
| 19:34.01 | Felyza | it works for addons, but it will not populate in the repo, due to the failure in luac |
| 19:34.42 | Sores | aye |
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| 20:11.09 | `Zypher | Aiiane: hei |
| 20:11.13 | `Zypher | hai* |
| 20:11.28 | Aiiane | hihi |
| 20:13.44 | `Zypher | http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/bettercc.aspx |
| 20:13.46 | `Zypher | try it! |
| 20:13.52 | `Zypher | it is funziez! |
| 20:18.02 | Aiiane | eh. I don't like killing the GCD display |
| 20:18.52 | `Zypher | awww |
| 20:18.54 | `Zypher | well |
| 20:19.02 | `Zypher | I'll work on one with the GCD |
| 20:19.09 | `Zypher | I don't like the GCD tho |
| 20:19.14 | `Zypher | but as for the pulse |
| 20:19.16 | `Zypher | cool rright? |
| 20:19.25 | Aiiane | it's ok |
| 20:19.33 | Aiiane | a center-screen pulse would be more useful to me |
| 20:20.05 | `Zypher | I don't like things to be in the middle |
| 20:20.05 | `Zypher | so |
| 20:20.15 | `Zypher | thats not going to happen :P |
| 20:20.33 | Aiiane | and that is why people like configuration options ;) |
| 20:20.47 | `Zypher | Aiiane: I understand |
| 20:20.56 | Aiiane | uninstalling it for now though |
| 20:20.57 | `Zypher | I just don't want the addon to do that |
| 20:21.01 | Aiiane | the GCD bit basically kills it for me |
| 20:21.07 | Repo | 10tometracker: 03Bloodwalker * r10 / (7 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:21.08 | Repo | Added license info and repo keyword substitutions to project files |
| 20:21.15 | `Zypher | GCD will be in the next version |
| 20:21.20 | `Zypher | with an option to disable it or not |
| 20:21.35 | `Zypher | same with the pulse |
| 20:21.43 | `Zypher | but not going to do middle of the screen stuff |
| 20:22.46 | `Zypher | ohhh |
| 20:22.49 | `Zypher | COD5 beta invite |
| 20:22.51 | `Zypher | nice |
| 20:23.44 | shockbeta|work | Aiiane since you're in a critquing mood is this useful at all? http://war.curseforge.com/projects/iconviewer/ |
| 20:24.21 | Aiiane | no idea, haven't really needed to work with icons much yet |
| 20:24.27 | `Zypher | shockbeta|work: I can't even view that page |
| 20:24.29 | `Zypher | it never works |
| 20:24.44 | shockbeta|work | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/iconviewer/files/1-icon-viewer-v1-0/ |
| 20:24.46 | shockbeta|work | that one work? |
| 20:24.50 | Sores | it's not approved i guess |
| 20:25.02 | shockbeta|work | status is normal on it |
| 20:25.09 | Sores | i can't view it either |
| 20:25.14 | shockbeta|work | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/18/301/164/IconViewer.zip |
| 20:25.39 | shockbeta|work | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/19/10/484/IconViewer.JPG |
| 20:26.02 | `Zypher | neat |
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| 20:26.06 | `Zypher | idk what I would use it for |
| 20:26.08 | `Zypher | but neat |
| 20:26.16 | Sores | viewing icons :P |
| 20:26.21 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 20:26.43 | shockbeta|work | Right now that's all it does, I haven' tbeen able to figure out how to et the proper dimensinos of an icon from within the game |
| 20:27.05 | Sores | isn't it th e same as all windows? WindowSetDimensions? |
| 20:27.14 | `Zypher | you can't set texture dimensions |
| 20:27.17 | `Zypher | only scale |
| 20:27.17 | Sores | ok |
| 20:27.18 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 20:27.22 | shockbeta|work | well you can actually |
| 20:27.26 | `Zypher | ho |
| 20:27.27 | `Zypher | how* |
| 20:27.28 | shockbeta|work | but it's window |
| 20:27.39 | shockbeta|work | xl, yl |
| 20:27.49 | shockbeta|work | that's how much of the given texture to draw |
| 20:28.16 | shockbeta|work | if you set it to 32 32 in the image I linked you would only see the upper left quad |
| 20:28.50 | shockbeta|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.50 | shockbeta|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.54 | `Zypher | but that isn't the size of the damn texture |
| 20:28.57 | shockbeta|work | TexDims |
| 20:29.01 | `Zypher | that is just the dimensions to show |
| 20:29.04 | shockbeta|work | the texture is actually 64x64 |
| 20:29.07 | `Zypher | aka I'm still correct |
| 20:29.19 | `Zypher | ................. |
| 20:29.41 | shockbeta|work | the widht and height are the windowdimensions, but the 64x64 are the texcoords to draw |
| 20:29.50 | shockbeta|work | errr. texdims in war |
| 20:31.13 | `Zypher | you don't understand my point |
| 20:31.15 | `Zypher | at all |
| 20:31.21 | shockbeta|work | think you're missing mine as well |
| 20:31.36 | `Zypher | if I have a statusbar, it is 180x60, I can never make it 180x70 |
| 20:31.41 | `Zypher | it just wont work |
| 20:31.44 | shockbeta|work | all action textures like the one in the image are 64x64 in dimensions.. power of 2 |
| 20:31.45 | `Zypher | I can scale it |
| 20:32.08 | shockbeta|work | it stretchs on it's own in a dynamic image |
| 20:32.18 | `Zypher | I quit |
| 20:32.21 | shockbeta|work | scale is uniform |
| 20:32.25 | `Zypher | done with this topic |
| 20:34.45 | shockbeta|work | know you're done with the topic, but your status bar texture isn't imported to teh game at 180x60.. that cannot happen. texture dimensions has to be a power 2 |
| 20:35.00 | Aiiane | shockbeta: you need to upload a file |
| 20:35.03 | shockbeta|work | if it's not a power of two it crashes. |
| 20:35.06 | shockbeta|work | I did |
| 20:35.06 | Aiiane | for your project |
| 20:35.11 | Aiiane | it's an alpha |
| 20:35.18 | Aiiane | needs a beta/release for the project to be world-visible |
| 20:35.21 | shockbeta|work | it's marked as alpha though |
| 20:35.33 | shockbeta|work | oh I thoguht that was just to curse not curseforge |
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| 20:37.42 | shockbeta|work | changed it to beta |
| 20:45.35 | Thunder_Child | WTB good chat addon |
| 20:49.07 | Aiiane | lol @ this thread title: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159636 |
| 20:49.55 | shockbeta|work | the libslasher is that some sort of new class we're getting? |
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| 20:51.50 | Aiiane | yes, it comes and kills your addons while you sleep shockbeta |
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| 20:52.47 | shockbeta|work | made me boot war at work to check scale, and dim params.... |
| 20:53.35 | shockbeta|work | they're all the same when it gets down to it, it just lets you do other things... sclae is uniform to x and y, texdims are independent scaling of x and y. And when you change window size it inadvertanly stretches or scales everything |
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| 20:54.21 | shockbeta|work | texdims are set with a window to specify the width adn height "into"(right and down) the texture to draw. |
| 20:54.46 | shockbeta|work | not exactly a window, but I used a dynamic image |
| 20:54.54 | shockbeta|work | Good thing I rarely sleep.... |
| 20:54.57 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 20:55.13 | shockbeta|work | I got my dogs at home to protect my addons |
| 20:56.37 | shockbeta|work | My orignal question was is there a way to get teh proper dimensions for an icon within the game? they appear to use slices from what I can tell to know how to scale their icons they use. It's not random they have a set amount they use and seeem sit's setup ahead of time. |
| 20:57.01 | shockbeta|work | When I say dimensions I mean the actual height and width of the icon(the .dds file). |
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| 21:03.39 | Thunder_Child | `Zypher, how often does KPD update? |
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| 21:07.14 | VonhintenHOME` | shock, if there were a way to know that ahead of time, I would have added it to TextureViewer |
| 21:12.30 | Aiiane | VonhintenHOME`: I pushed the scaling fix |
| 21:12.40 | VonhintenHOME` | nice |
| 21:12.41 | Aiiane | and as I guessed, it's causing some problems for people :P |
| 21:12.42 | shockbeta|work | I'm right in thinking they use the slices right |
| 21:12.53 | VonhintenHOME` | slices on icons? |
| 21:13.07 | shockbeta|work | on any texture |
| 21:13.11 | shockbeta|work | I use the term icon loosely |
| 21:13.33 | VonhintenHOME` | well, there's a destinction |
| 21:13.48 | shockbeta|work | They use slices to determine hwo to scale and what part of the icon to draw when switching from your book to bar or proper slot |
| 21:13.50 | VonhintenHOME` | icons are textures that contain an icon, just one (from what I've seen) |
| 21:14.08 | VonhintenHOME` | normal named textures contain any number of images |
| 21:14.12 | shockbeta|work | Well I can find the source where they're doing it |
| 21:14.28 | shockbeta|work | if oyu wnat to see |
| 21:14.43 | VonhintenHOME` | where they're doing what? |
| 21:14.56 | shockbeta|work | In game though if oyu open your tatics in you rabilities menu they're large, and you click drag to your tactic bar they shrink |
| 21:15.22 | shockbeta|work | their the same icon, they jst use differnet params to draw them, and they obtain the params from the slice I beleive. |
| 21:15.44 | shockbeta|work | and th slice is set to the xml object in xml I think or maybe I was upto late when I was looking at that. |
| 21:16.51 | shockbeta|work | iconWindow:SetTextureSlice ("Blank-Action-Bar-Icon-Slot", Frame.FORCE_OVERRIDE) |
| 21:17.35 | VonhintenHOME` | there are some images which are used like icons, and those are part of larger textures and referencd by slice |
| 21:17.53 | VonhintenHOME` | However, there are actual icons that are textures themselves |
| 21:17.55 | VonhintenHOME` | texture, x, y = GetIconData( tonumber(texture) ) |
| 21:17.58 | shockbeta|work | I.e. EA_HUD_01 |
| 21:18.06 | VonhintenHOME` | for example |
| 21:18.07 | shockbeta|work | x, y are always 0 |
| 21:18.18 | shockbeta|work | that doesn't give you the width or height |
| 21:18.23 | VonhintenHOME` | no, it doesn't |
| 21:18.24 | shockbeta|work | just the point to start drawing |
| 21:19.36 | VonhintenHOME` | but you notice, for GetIconData, there's no slice |
| 21:20.03 | shockbeta|work | right it returns the whole texture |
| 21:23.02 | VonhintenHOME` | aii, those people will live :) |
| 21:26.08 | Felyza | ~aiiane |
| 21:26.09 | purl | rumour has it, aiiane is an Angel of UI Goodness |
| 21:27.51 | `Zypher | ~`Zypher |
| 21:27.55 | `Zypher | awwww |
| 21:28.16 | `Zypher | ~zypher |
| 21:28.17 | purl | from memory, zypher is never getting any errors, but always having problems |
| 21:28.25 | `Zypher | haha |
| 21:31.48 | `Zypher | Thunder_Child: KDR? |
| 21:33.58 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:34.40 | `Zypher | rofl not sure |
| 21:34.46 | `Zypher | why? |
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| 21:36.18 | `Zypher | I think I was going to do it every 5 seconds |
| 21:36.20 | `Zypher | but got lazy |
| 21:36.25 | `Zypher | and I don't think I finished itt |
| 21:36.32 | `Zypher | it does update often tho |
| 21:36.47 | Flisher_SearchJo | Boya. Anyone ever had problem with the loading of saved variable in foreing language? |
| 21:36.53 | Thunder_Child | because it wasnt changing so i was curious |
| 21:37.16 | Flisher_SearchJo | When I run CharactersViewer in German, data is saved, but there is no trace of loading of the variable file, and no error associated to it. |
| 21:37.48 | Flisher_SearchJo | the only "tricky" think in CV is that I declare 2 saved variables in my .mod. (it work well in /language 1). |
| 21:40.48 | `Zypher | Thunder_Child: what do you think |
| 21:40.52 | `Zypher | every 5 seconds |
| 21:40.56 | `Zypher | or every 10 seconds? |
| 21:41.30 | Thunder_Child | `Zypher, 10 |
| 21:41.42 | Thunder_Child | no reason to have it shorter....it's not like it's time critical |
| 21:41.48 | `Zypher | yah |
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| 21:42.54 | Repo | 10kdr: 03Adalyn 04r-1.0 * d901bae /: [new tag] 1.0 tag |
| 21:43.00 | Repo | 10kdr: 03Adalyn 07master * r-1.0 core.lua: [+1 commit] Small update fix |
| 21:43.54 | `Zypher | there you are |
| 21:44.00 | `Zypher | updates every 10 seconds |
| 21:44.16 | Flisher_SearchJo | @project kdr |
| 21:44.17 | Repo | Flisher_SearchJo: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/kdr/. KDR. Game: WAR. Leader: Adalyn. Updated: 62 seconds ago |
| 21:44.25 | Flisher_SearchJo | what is that? |
| 21:44.32 | Thunder_Child | Kill Death Ratio |
| 21:44.32 | `Zypher | K/D ratio |
| 21:46.26 | Flisher_SearchJo | anyone ever saw similar behavior about my savedvariable problem? could it be a bug with the non-english language not loading stuff when more than 2 variable are declared? |
| 21:47.16 | Aiiane | Flisher_SearchJo: what are you using for your table keys? |
| 21:47.32 | Aiiane | wstrings as table keys don't save properly |
| 21:47.35 | Flisher_SearchJo | table.insert. |
| 21:47.47 | Flisher_SearchJo | but the problem isn't the saving, it's the loading. |
| 21:48.03 | Aiiane | right, but if they don't save properly they wouldn't load properly |
| 21:48.11 | Flisher_SearchJo | when I try loading invalid stuff, I get error in the debug windows. in this case, there is no trace at all of the loading of the file. |
| 21:48.41 | Flisher_SearchJo | the only "special" thing I have is 2 saved variable declaration in my .mod. I got 26 other mod able to load their variable, but CV doesn't even try to do it in foreing. |
| 21:49.19 | Aiiane | one sec, let me pull up the CV code |
| 21:49.22 | Flisher_SearchJo | when I was saving function, it was saving but loading with error message. in this case, there is no trace of the loading of the file. |
| 21:50.27 | Flisher_SearchJo | I'll code a dummy addon with saved variable stuff to test in deep |
| 21:52.17 | Aiiane | looking at it, I dunno why it wouldn't work :/ I don't have a localized client to mess with |
| 21:52.58 | Flisher_SearchJo | you can use "/language 3", it'll switch to german. |
| 21:53.03 | Flisher_SearchJo | 1 = english :) |
| 21:53.11 | Flisher_SearchJo | I dont understand german :-P |
| 21:54.09 | Thunder_Child | ok, a bad time to test /language is in the middle of a scenario |
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| 21:56.05 | Flisher_SearchJo | using /language also mess the gamedata, it's best advised to quit the game completly sicne gamedata isn't rebuilded completly on logout/login. |
| 22:01.20 | Aiiane | Flisher_SearchJo: the US client doesn't include all of the proper data afaik |
| 22:07.37 | Aiiane | brb, restarting desktop |
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| 22:16.17 | Thrae | Poor Noctys. Everyone's knockin' on him because he made an addon that creates other alerts then visual when you have a healer targetted. An interface isn't just visual, and a customizable one isn't designed to be static. |
| 22:19.30 | Sores | Thrae: One could say it'd give them an advantage in group pvp of any sort, but, using your eyes is always the best thing :P |
| 22:20.14 | Sores | that's not to say i think so, but that is one way to think about it |
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| 22:23.32 | Thrae | Sores: The problem is, I think it comes down to "In a perfect world..." type arguments. We're using an interface which can bug out in critical places, and even people who run in 1024x768 have trouble in large-scale Keep battles. In a perfect world, that wouldn't happen, but lag and bugs should never be a "feature" of the game. |
| 22:24.37 | Aiiane | there's still a balance to be had though |
| 22:24.39 | Thrae | That said, I exclusively play a Runepriest myself. In PUGs, usually I find A) The enemy loves to attack me, B) My "allies" forget who I am |
| 22:24.58 | Aiiane | arguing that everything on one end of a spectrum is okay because the other end of the spectrum wouldn't be isn't a valid argument |
| 22:25.56 | Thrae | Aiiane: I wasn't arguing that. I am saying they are antenuating factors. |
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| 22:26.33 | Thrae | That reminds me, I need to thank thanners. |
| 22:26.38 | Thrae | thanners|afk: Thanks. |
| 22:27.02 | Aiiane | Thrae: the thing is, people aren't saying "you can't change the UI" (well, most of them aren't, the ones that are can bugger off), they're saying they think a given thing goes too far |
| 22:27.19 | Aiiane | to which "there are attenuating factors" isn't a valid response really |
| 22:28.02 | `Zypher | Aiiane: stupid peope r teh stupid? |
| 22:31.33 | Thrae | Aiiane: Wouldn't the main argument against an addon that gives additional alerts to a healer that you're suppose to visually inspect each class's model? Is it really going over the line to add, for instance, audio cues? |
| 22:32.00 | Thrae | Man, I need more drugs. I feel like I'm typing in mud. |
| 22:32.25 | Sores | holy cow, chatwindow.lua is 2670 loc |
| 22:33.52 | TheBigZ-42 | I'd like to make the argument that if something is "over the line" in terms of WAR's policy then the change to make it happen for the addon should be restricted through the lua API. I agree anything requiring a third party app to run while the game is over the line and not WAR's responsibility, but other then that, it is their responsibility to restrict their subsystem if they deem it over a line. Otherwise, I think it is not the players or addon mak |
| 22:35.26 | `Zypher | grrrr |
| 22:35.27 | `Zypher | wtb |
| 22:35.28 | `Zypher | fps |
| 22:35.35 | Flisher_SearchJo | TheBigZ-42: if the TOS/EULA is like wow, they had provision for stuff bypassing the game mechanism even if their API didn't block it. |
| 22:35.38 | `Zypher | WaW isn't for a few moar days |
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| 22:36.18 | Vexyl | Hi, can anyone explain something for me about the curse project adding? |
| 22:36.50 | Aiiane | what part of it, Vexyl? |
| 22:37.18 | Vexyl | I added a project, and uploaded a file, the file appears to be approved, but on the front page it says "Your project has no files! |
| 22:37.27 | Vexyl | and I am guessing it won't show up if it stays in this status |
| 22:38.08 | Aiiane | is the file marked as Alpha? |
| 22:38.12 | Vexyl | Beta |
| 22:38.18 | Aiiane | hmm |
| 22:38.21 | Aiiane | what's the shortname |
| 22:38.25 | Vexyl | JoinScen |
| 22:39.21 | Aiiane | hm, odd |
| 22:39.42 | Vexyl | indeed |
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| 22:41.17 | TheBigZ-42 | Flisher_SearchJo: that is fine. If the TOS says its not a viable addon...but my point is still that its up to WAR to decide not the creators and not the users of the addons...or even the people that cry foul because they perceive it gives their class a unfair advantage (or disadvantage). |
| 22:41.34 | Aiiane | yes and no |
| 22:41.43 | Sores | One should have some kind of moral though |
| 22:41.44 | Aiiane | Obviously, no forum user can enforce that people don't use an addon |
| 22:41.50 | Aiiane | but that doesn't mean they can't say they don't like something |
| 22:41.55 | Aiiane | or /think/ that WAR should disallow it |
| 22:42.01 | TheBigZ-42 | Sores: what makes one person's morals better then anothers? |
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| 22:42.36 | Sores | I'm not saying it makes one persons morals better then someone else's, i'm simply saying, that mayby, just mayby if an add-on is questionable, one should ask oneself, should i really create this? |
| 22:42.41 | shockbeta|work | they take the TOS and bring it otu of context and bend it to their own argument... common line form any tos in a mmo that is used for that is this one: spirit of the game |
| 22:42.42 | TheBigZ-42 | Aii, not making that argument either. I agree people can think what they want, but they have no power to make a real judgment. |
| 22:42.51 | Aiiane | what's your point, TheBigZ-42? |
| 22:43.19 | Vexyl | So, should I make another project or just wait some more?:) |
| 22:43.27 | Aiiane | If you aren't making that argument, what argument /are/ you making that isn't just stating the obvious? |
| 22:43.33 | TheBigZ-42 | Aiiane: I said it a couple of times. It is WAR's responsibility to make it clear what is appropriate or not. |
| 22:43.37 | shockbeta|work | hehe, you want to see heated debate about what's fair or not in an mmo, go read some I got my face melted by a multiboxer QQ posts |
| 22:43.55 | Sores | multiboxing in my eyes is pure cheating |
| 22:44.01 | shockbeta|work | and so it begins.... |
| 22:44.03 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 22:44.07 | gryzvwald | lol |
| 22:44.10 | Sores | :P |
| 22:44.12 | gryzvwald | have you ever tried to multibox? |
| 22:44.13 | TheBigZ-42 | Aiiane: probably! I came in in the middle, and thought people were complaining about addons that they didn't approve of.. I was just stating, so what..dont use it. |
| 22:44.21 | Thrae | Anarchy usually doesn't lead to good consequences. But I don't want to be the one in charge, either. |
| 22:44.21 | shockbeta|work | I have and I can say it isn't cheating by far |
| 22:44.33 | shockbeta|work | it's a pain in the arse |
| 22:44.34 | Vexyl | I used to multibox in Everquest. Takes skill |
| 22:44.40 | Aiiane | "people were complaining about addons that they didn't approve of.." |
| 22:44.55 | Aiiane | (15:43:51) Aiiane: but that doesn't mean they can't say they don't like something |
| 22:44.57 | gryzvwald | a lot of people need to relax |
| 22:45.07 | gryzvwald | these are games after all |
| 22:45.09 | Aiiane | saying they don't like something would in general be complaining about it |
| 22:45.16 | Aiiane | so again I ask, what argument are you making? |
| 22:45.16 | Sores | gryzvwald: they are also multiplayer games |
| 22:45.21 | Sores | so one should respect others |
| 22:45.22 | TheBigZ-42 | Aii, I'm not arguing with, I think we have agreed on the same points? |
| 22:45.36 | TheBigZ-42 | s/arguing with/arguing with you/ |
| 22:45.41 | Vexyl | sigh...thanks anyways aiiane |
| 22:45.47 | shockbeta|work | It's alright in WoW apparantly mage can split himself into three... in essence they're allowing mage class to tri-box... lol |
| 22:45.56 | Aiiane | Vexyl: sorry, multiple convos :) im still looking into it |
| 22:46.04 | Vexyl | No problem:) |
| 22:47.23 | Aiiane | try now, Vexyl |
| 22:47.26 | Aiiane | see if it's fixed |
| 22:47.27 | Thrae | The problem with multiboxing in a PvP game is that the importance of a single player and social networking is multiplied because it's a PvP game -- teamwork is part of the game. When a person multiboxes in a game like that, they are increasing one real person's presence above the rest, creating an impossible level of synergy between their characters. But I don't see anything wrong with it in a PvE-centric game. |
| 22:47.50 | Vexyl | Awesome, its not giving any errors now:) Will it show up on war.curse.com addons? |
| 22:48.01 | TheBigZ-42 | Thrae: if they dont want you to multibox then they should make soloing in the game viable for the really interesting content. |
| 22:48.08 | TheBigZ-42 | hehe Ok now I'm being inane. |
| 22:48.27 | Aiiane | if they do that, you end up with a game where 99% of the population solos |
| 22:48.28 | shockbeta|work | But that synergy between their characters is wiped otu whne a few get taken out. Very few multiboxers are good enough to be able to switch mains and re-group their spread group |
| 22:48.43 | Thrae | TheBigZ-42: That argument doesn't work in a PvP-centric game like WAR and DAoC, but it does for other MMOs. |
| 22:48.52 | Aiiane | Vexyl: should |
| 22:50.02 | Sores | also if you could solo everything, one could also go to one of all the games you can play solo at :P |
| 22:50.06 | shockbeta|work | More tiems then not multiboxers are capable of hurting their team then helping. since their nto able to spread their group out to perform different tasks. like 2 at one objective three at another an so on. |
| 22:50.11 | Vexyl | Hmm maybe it just takes time |
| 22:50.14 | Sores | one of the huge points of online games is to communicate, do things together |
| 22:50.14 | Vexyl | Thanks Aiiane, your awesome:) |
| 22:50.26 | Aiiane | http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/joinscen.aspx |
| 22:50.43 | Thrae | shockbeta|work: The amount of "skill" needed to multibox isn't important. It also takes skill to hack a game and write botting code, and run said code without detection. Point being, there is a line to be drawn in every type of game where your actions directly effect other people. |
| 22:51.00 | TheBigZ-42 | Thrae: Then I would say people are always going to multibox in pvp simply because they need to to do anything and if they can't make any friends in the game. That and someone always wants to be the best and not rely on teamwork. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone spending the money and time to do it. I think someone already said it... they aren't probably going to be that effective multiboxing when given any real challenge. |
| 22:51.03 | Vexyl | Oh! Thanks again |
| 22:51.12 | gryzvwald | what ever |
| 22:51.24 | shockbeta|work | given if you run into a multiboxer that is set up and ready to go they will be able to hold their own to a much large force because of teamwork and focus they can do. I.e. no random guy not doing his job. |
| 22:51.45 | Vexyl | Have a great day everyone. Don't forget to join the Waaagh! |
| 22:51.49 | TheBigZ-42 | shockbeta and what is wrong with that? |
| 22:52.09 | shockbeta|work | The same will happen fi you run up on any well prepared group |
| 22:52.18 | TheBigZ-42 | *nod* |
| 22:52.25 | shockbeta|work | the only difference is the multiboxer in essence is one person who is always that well prepared group |
| 22:53.09 | Thrae | TheBigZ-42: Allowing multiboxing does not fix the inherent problem of those small groups of people who cannot even socialize properly online. You can't create exceptions where the exceptions go against the very design of the game you're playing -- a game based around sharing the victories and losses with other people. |
| 22:53.10 | Sores | "can't make any friends", If that is the case, that one person should probably try adjusting his attitude towards people online, try learning social skils |
| 22:53.11 | shockbeta|work | Most of the flame posts that come up is because one guy ran up to a group of people and expected to win or take one out, when he was simultaneously hit with a fireball to teh face from all toons at once. |
| 22:53.19 | Sores | that is not an argument to allow cheating |
| 22:53.40 | shockbeta|work | Not being able to make friends does not = multiboxer |
| 22:53.41 | TheBigZ-42 | shockbeta I wouldn't agree with that, you're giving this phantom individual to much credit that they will be that good all of the time and coordinate between boxes. I think more likely if they are good at multiboxing they are going to be just as good even soloing in pvp..just maybe not as much fun for them that way |
| 22:53.48 | shockbeta|work | check out the zerg guild on WoW |
| 22:53.57 | shockbeta|work | every one of them in that guild multiboxes |
| 22:54.16 | TheBigZ-42 | shockbeta, I was being inane with that statement. My real arguments came after that sentence |
| 22:54.24 | shockbeta|work | oh sorry:p |
| 22:54.52 | TheBigZ-42 | shockbeta then I guess they ARE teamworking AND multiboxing. *shrug* then multiboxing doesn't have to do with just owning everyone as one person |
| 22:55.20 | shockbeta|work | The always prepared statement meant when ready for combat their strategy, if performed correctly, will always be sound. the heal will always go to who needs it, and the focus fire will always be on the proper target, not spread across the enemy. |
| 22:55.32 | Sores | One or more multiboxers(in wow as an example), in a bg does give an advantage |
| 22:55.36 | Sores | unfair |
| 22:55.44 | shockbeta|work | disadvantage on certain ones |
| 22:55.47 | TheBigZ-42 | anyway time to go multi--err multi-pencilandpapering for some DND 4e. Later! |
| 22:55.50 | shockbeta|work | it's all about context |
| 22:55.56 | shockbeta|work | AV they'll pwnface |
| 22:56.07 | shockbeta|work | AB... maybe not so much |
| 22:56.08 | Sores | shockbeta: advantage or disadvantage, what difference does it make? |
| 22:56.11 | Thrae | shockbeta|work: Say you do have a skilled multiboxer that creates a scenario where they can win more often then not against a PUG. In WAR, there is no alternative to gaining renown, having PvP combat, etc., especially if the combat is centered around Scenarios (like it currently is). This hurts *both* sides, with the Losing Side not getting the taste of victory, and the Winning Side being monopolized by 1 individual, so the ... |
| 22:56.17 | Thrae | ... other paying customers can't have their fun. |
| 22:56.25 | Sores | is it an advantage for the opposite team, is it a disadvantage for both the opposite team |
| 22:56.27 | gryzvwald | why? |
| 22:56.29 | Sores | and the players team |
| 22:56.33 | shockbeta|work | if multiboxing was a disadvantage constantly and gave no benefit there wouldn't be as many people having a problem with it. |
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| 22:56.53 | Aiiane | sure there would be |
| 22:56.57 | Aiiane | it'd just be the people on the other team |
| 22:57.00 | gryzvwald | why does them multiboxing interfere with your fuN? |
| 22:57.05 | shockbeta|work | because who ever complains when something is harder for someone else if they're having an easy time... |
| 22:57.05 | Aiiane | from the ones that currently have a problem with it |
| 22:57.16 | Thrae | shockbeta|work: I've seen cases of multiboxers in the olden days monopolizing spawns. |
| 22:57.23 | Sores | gryzvwald: because it's not fun losing to a human player that uses several characters, in a way not possible |
| 22:57.26 | Sores | if it weren't for addons |
| 22:57.30 | Aiiane | quite simply |
| 22:57.39 | Aiiane | multiboxing allows one individual to have more influence on the game world |
| 22:57.43 | Aiiane | than they normally would have |
| 22:57.49 | Sores | Aiiane: totally agrees with that |
| 22:57.54 | Aiiane | that's the long and short of it |
| 22:58.01 | shockbeta|work | you can't count advantage or disadvantage of other team when tlaking about advantages or disadavantagees of multiboxing it confuses the point. |
| 22:58.06 | `Zypher | Multiboxing is, in my personal opinion just annoying... |
| 22:58.07 | Aiiane | whether you consider that acceptable or not is a personal question |
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| 22:58.19 | Aiiane | shockbeta: sure you can |
| 22:58.21 | shockbeta|work | yeah.. but they paid for the account |
| 22:58.23 | Aiiane | MMOs are social games |
| 22:58.29 | Aiiane | everyone playing needs to be taken into account |
| 22:58.36 | Sores | If multiboxing will ever be an option in warhammer, i hope they fix it permanently |
| 22:58.39 | shockbeta|work | really it allows the multiboxer to have the same influence for acounts paid on the owrld. |
| 22:58.41 | Aiiane | shockbeta: so now we're going on pure money here? (there's no right answer) |
| 22:58.43 | Sores | by perm banning ip addresses |
| 22:58.46 | Sores | and accounts |
| 22:59.05 | `Zypher | Sores: I have a guy that multiboxes two sorcs and a dok in my guild |
| 22:59.07 | shockbeta|work | no what I' saying is per account sold, you get that influence on the game world. it doesn't matter who buys them that's how it works. |
| 22:59.09 | Thrae | shockbeta|work: Botters also paid for the account. Really, all you emphasize is why multiboxers usually are NOT addressed. |
| 22:59.09 | Aiiane | If we allow pure money, then why is goldselling bad? |
| 22:59.30 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 22:59.34 | shockbeta|work | you guys are missing hte point |
| 22:59.37 | Aiiane | no |
| 22:59.39 | Sores | `Zypher: that's just wrong, i do hope they will vanish fast |
| 22:59.40 | Aiiane | you're not making a good point |
| 22:59.42 | Sores | it will ruin this game as well |
| 22:59.45 | shockbeta|work | you take it straight the the actual player and not the character in game |
| 22:59.46 | Sores | And this time, even more then WoW |
| 23:00.02 | Sores | Since warhammer is a whole lot more pvp centric then wow ever wi ll be |
| 23:00.10 | `Zypher | its very hard for him |
| 23:00.14 | `Zypher | he lags quite a lot |
| 23:00.33 | shockbeta|work | for instance WoW put it like this... it's charaacters not person controlling.. a group of characters in game is a group, doen'st matter who is controllign them, thus their is no difference who is controllign them as long as it's a real person. |
| 23:01.05 | `Zypher | if blizzard actually cared at all |
| 23:01.06 | Thrae | WoW multiboxing isn't that bad because the grind doesn't really NEED any specific player setup, while WAR requires active players on both sides and rewards them both for their *participation*. |
| 23:01.08 | Sores | shockbeta|work: one can also look at it this way, can that one person use X amount of keyboards at the same time, to control those |
| 23:01.11 | `Zypher | about the hardcore players in their game |
| 23:01.17 | `Zypher | they wouldn't have made it easymode |
| 23:01.19 | shockbeta|work | a group that is being multiboxed has no advantage over a group of players. |
| 23:01.30 | Sores | if not, it is an advantage they get due to their add-on or external third party application |
| 23:01.50 | Aiiane | shockbeta: with the same number of real world individuals |
| 23:01.52 | Sores | shockbeta, how so? |
| 23:02.01 | Aiiane | multiboxers will have a numerical advantage over non |
| 23:02.09 | Aiiane | so it's a question of viewpoint |
| 23:02.10 | Sores | How doesn't it, as previously stated, they can focus fire a whole lot better |
| 23:02.12 | shockbeta|work | give me a min I'll pull the links of all the conversations and qoutes from official blizz people |
| 23:02.13 | Sores | as one of the points |
| 23:02.15 | Thrae | I have a Logitech G15 keyboard myself. I need to learn how to use it one of these days... |
| 23:02.23 | Aiiane | shockbeta: blizzard people aren't god |
| 23:02.53 | `Zypher | I will admit I'm curious about their new mmo |
| 23:02.56 | shockbeta|work | I know I was using that as an example |
| 23:03.02 | Sores | `Zypher: whos? |
| 23:03.06 | `Zypher | Blizz |
| 23:03.08 | Aiiane | and I'm saying that examples are pointless |
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| 23:03.12 | Aiiane | because it's not an objective question |
| 23:03.15 | Sores | say what? new mmo? where did you read that? |
| 23:03.17 | shockbeta|work | and it doesn't matter who is in charge the poitns and aarguements are valid |
| 23:03.28 | `Zypher | Sores: jobs page? |
| 23:03.42 | Sores | oh, haven't looked there, only know of wotlk, which is only an expansion |
| 23:03.56 | `Zypher | there aren't any details as of yet |
| 23:04.01 | Sores | k |
| 23:04.02 | `Zypher | hopefully it's an mmofps |
| 23:04.08 | shockbeta|work | does multiboxing give a player an in-game advantage? |
| 23:04.30 | Sores | shockbeta: whetever it gives that one player advantage or not, doesn't matter, he's not the only one |
| 23:04.34 | shockbeta|work | yes and so does grouping... |
| 23:04.36 | Sores | however, does it give any player in the game on your team |
| 23:04.46 | Sores | or the opposite an advantage or disadvantage is the point |
| 23:05.00 | `Zypher | it is just a game |
| 23:05.11 | Thrae | shockbeta|work: Who *doesn't* group in WAR? This isn't a game you can play solo. |
| 23:05.22 | Sores | Yes it is, but is also a game where a whole lot of players both pay cash(okey, not alot, but still) each month |
| 23:05.33 | `Zypher | .[[..]]. |
| 23:05.41 | `Zypher | Sores: that arguement is null |
| 23:05.50 | `Zypher | bring me something better then that |
| 23:05.51 | shockbeta|work | I just find it a fun topic, cause people have such adamante feeligns on it |
| 23:06.11 | Sores | Zypher: as earlier stated it will either bring advantage or disadvantage to the game, for your own team or the opposite |
| 23:06.18 | Sores | whatever of it, it is, it's unfair |
| 23:06.20 | Thrae | We're not even talking feelings. We're talking logic here. |
| 23:06.27 | shockbeta|work | yeah but so does grouping sores |
| 23:06.54 | Sores | shockbeta, yes but online games, specially mmos are made for grouping with others |
| 23:07.00 | Sores | to complete objectives if one kind or another |
| 23:07.04 | shockbeta|work | so basically you're saying if I'm nto grouped then it's an an unfair advanatage or disadvantaage to attack me if you're in a group? |
| 23:07.06 | Sores | of* |
| 23:07.23 | `Zypher | I just kill everyone |
| 23:07.24 | Thrae | WAR is a group-centric game. There is no argument without it. |
| 23:07.25 | `Zypher | I don't care |
| 23:07.26 | Sores | no, if you can magically by a piece of software can control al whole lot of units |
| 23:07.27 | gryzvwald | the people who say its unfair always point to the very small minority who have made it an artform but there truth is there is a great deal more people multiboxing that suck. |
| 23:07.31 | Sores | it is an unfair advantage |
| 23:07.55 | `Zypher | I can kill two sorcs and a dok |
| 23:07.56 | gryzvwald | and you don't buy a piece of software that manages everything in multiboxing. thats called botting. |
| 23:07.56 | `Zypher | no problem |
| 23:07.57 | Sores | gryzvwald: and those p eople bring disadvantage towarsd their group |
| 23:07.59 | Sores | and that is unfair |
| 23:08.00 | `Zypher | its not that bad |
| 23:08.12 | `Zypher | just fight more better |
| 23:08.31 | shockbeta|work | All I'm saying is if you didn't know the person was a multiboxer. and was able to control all characters without having to follow adn the such and cast everything at same time... people wouldn't have the same pov |
| 23:08.55 | gryzvwald | i still don't see the difference between two bad players and a bad player running two accounts. you say that one is unfair how is it that the other isn't? |
| 23:09.17 | Sores | shockbeta, fine, if that one person does it with no add-ons or third party software, so be it |
| 23:09.19 | shockbeta|work | A group of 5 on teamspeak or better yet in teh same room shouting commands to each other can perform damn near unison attacks and that's okay.... |
| 23:09.24 | Sores | but if it is a piece of software that enables him to do so |
| 23:09.27 | Sores | yes, it is unfair |
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| 23:09.29 | gryzvwald | if two players are awesome and one player playing two accounts is awesome how is that unfair? |
| 23:09.31 | shockbeta|work | lol and the thirdparty software people liek to attaack |
| 23:09.34 | gryzvwald | what software? |
| 23:10.00 | `Zypher | FIGHT |
| 23:10.02 | `Zypher | FIGHT |
| 23:10.04 | shockbeta|work | let me get teh wording for war's since WoW isn't good enough for the conversation:p |
| 23:10.04 | `Zypher | imo |
| 23:10.04 | gryzvwald | thats botting if its automatic. if that person has to press a button on each account for it to do something thats multiboxing. |
| 23:10.51 | Thrae | gryzvwald: Because there are finite slots in WAR for battle. The more slots taken up by a single real person, the less slots available for other players. THAT is what really is unfair. |
| 23:10.56 | gryzvwald | i understand some people's anger in botters. but a true multiboxer in my opinion is not cheating it requires a great deal of coordination and thinking on a true multiboxers point of fair. |
| 23:11.24 | Sores | gryzvwald: you are only looking at it from one angle |
| 23:11.27 | Sores | that is the angle of the enemy |
| 23:11.30 | Thrae | gryzvwald: In games like WoW and other PvE games, that really isn't much of an issue due to instances. |
| 23:11.33 | Sores | have you taken into the consideration, his side? |
| 23:11.52 | gryzvwald | i have gone up against multiboxers many times. |
| 23:12.05 | Sores | you are still looking at it from an enemy perspective |
| 23:12.21 | Sores | look at it from a group perspective, you're in the group with that one guy that multiboxes |
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| 23:12.42 | slime | so what |
| 23:12.52 | slime | what if you are in a group where 4 guys are total fucking morons |
| 23:12.54 | slime | that happens all the time |
| 23:12.58 | slime | is that somehow unfair |
| 23:13.01 | gryzvwald | and if the guy in the group is good whats the drawback? if the guy sucks whats the drawback? point is there's always another queue for everyone. no one is left out |
| 23:13.17 | Sores | gryzvwald: not really, have you ever noticed that |
| 23:13.18 | shockbeta|work | hmm.. can't find the TOs on teh website |
| 23:13.19 | gryzvwald | as you say its a team game so group up. |
| 23:13.22 | Sores | when you join up for exampel scenarios |
| 23:13.27 | Sores | you almost always get 50% of the same people |
| 23:13.29 | Sores | even on high pop realms |
| 23:13.43 | shockbeta|work | I'm sure Warhammers is similar to WoWs anyways.. |
| 23:14.15 | slime | sores no |
| 23:14.19 | gryzvwald | meh this is just a subject that is very polar. always has been and will continue to be. |
| 23:14.23 | slime | only if I spam queue one scenario |
| 23:14.31 | Sores | And even if it werent', lets play with the thought, that in the whole wild world |
| 23:14.40 | slime | then of course I tend to end up with the same people because we all queue as soon as the last one ended |
| 23:14.42 | Sores | there is more then one multiboxer, and even more strictly, there is a whole lot more then one on a server |
| 23:15.04 | shockbeta|work | create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience |
| 23:15.21 | shockbeta|work | sure warhammer has similar just couln't find their TOU |
| 23:15.40 | gryzvwald | personally i multibox pve. i do not do it in rvr or pvp because theres no point and it winds up being less efective for me anyway. i'm just arguing the other side of the coin here. |
| 23:16.02 | shockbeta|work | so the software that they use is not designed to modify the game experience. it's designed to broadcast key presses to all clients |
| 23:16.07 | slime | if you banned everyone who uses a utility to dupe keystrokes to a bunch of clients by the same logic you'd need to ban everyone with a g15 or whatever |
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| 23:16.19 | shockbeta|work | not even to teh clients but to the windows they're ran in. which is system level not game level |
| 23:16.26 | Thrae | WAR has a G15 module. |
| 23:16.42 | shockbeta|work | that doesn't say crap in it... I dn't ven use hte g15 lcd in warhammer.. lol |
| 23:17.17 | Sores | Well the day i start seing many multiboxers here, it's bye bye, hopefully d3 will have arrived before that |
| 23:17.24 | gryzvwald | anyone know of a good tutorial on how to draw a window in war with xml? |
| 23:17.36 | slime | haha |
| 23:17.37 | shockbeta|work | I'm not for or against multiboxers |
| 23:17.41 | gryzvwald | Sores inevitably they will be here hehe. |
| 23:17.41 | slime | yes leave the game with the evil multiboxers |
| 23:17.52 | slime | and go to the game series that is famous for rampant cheating and hacking and duping and bots |
| 23:17.58 | gryzvwald | what i like to do is target them first :) |
| 23:17.59 | shockbeta|work | as I said I've boxed in the past. the topic just is a fun discussion. |
| 23:18.05 | slime | brilliant plan you haev there |
| 23:18.17 | Sores | gryzvwald: draw, as in on the screen? you create a window with CreateWindow(), WindowSetShowing() makes it visible / none-visible |
| 23:18.37 | gryzvwald | thank you Sores. Is it in the WARWiki API docs? |
| 23:18.40 | Sores | If you ment, how to construct a window, look at how others are doing it, there are no real reference for it yet, although |
| 23:18.49 | Sores | there is a tad documented in the warwiki |
| 23:18.57 | gryzvwald | thanks :) |
| 23:19.07 | Sores | http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:XML_reference |
| 23:19.20 | gryzvwald | i probably need to just experiment then heh |
| 23:19.39 | gryzvwald | i'm moving from the person that modifies all his addons to making my own :) |
| 23:19.40 | Aiiane | sigh @ people who can't read... http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/squared.aspx#316430 |
| 23:20.03 | Sores | Aiiane: hah :P |
| 23:20.12 | shockbeta|work | cause noone reasds teh descirption |
| 23:20.14 | Sores | the text is even in Bold |
| 23:20.30 | Aiiane | or more specifically |
| 23:20.32 | Aiiane | people who can't think |
| 23:20.45 | Aiiane | "I set the variables to 68 and they were big".... so set them to less than 68? |
| 23:20.45 | shockbeta|work | probably uses the curse client too, does that even show you the new descriptions whe it updates? |
| 23:21.15 | Sores | i've never actually tried the curse client, i did however use wowaceupdated with wow previosuly |
| 23:21.20 | gryzvwald | a lot of times an addon gets updated and i completely forget hehe. but i do go read the changes :) |
| 23:21.42 | slime | yeah to be fair the curse client invisibly updates everything |
| 23:21.44 | Aiiane | now you see why I don't like rolling out changes like that VonhintenHOME` |
| 23:21.47 | slime | still you'd think if he managed to post a comment |
| 23:21.53 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, you should know better than that, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS assume people are stupid |
| 23:21.56 | slime | he'd at least glance over the description |
| 23:22.12 | Sores | Thunder_Child: So as not to get disappointed? :) |
| 23:22.23 | Sores | That way, even the stupid people cheers you up |
| 23:22.26 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: what made you think I didn't know it was coming? |
| 23:22.36 | Aiiane | I *did* assume people were stupid, and knew there would be comments like that |
| 23:22.54 | Aiiane | I didn't say I was surprised by it, just that I don't like it :P |
| 23:23.05 | Sores | Aiiane: Next time you release an update that will totally revamp something, write a note at the end of the page; "YOU STUPID PEOPLE; SCROLL UP AND READ!!!" |
| 23:24.20 | shockbeta|work | http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations#PvP_Balance |
| 23:24.47 | Aiiane | shockbeta: you realize you're quoting a slightly biased source |
| 23:24.56 | Thunder_Child | see, i would have responded with something to the effect of "and you didnt read the NEW description before bitching at me why?" |
| 23:25.26 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: yes, but I'm not an asshole. :P |
| 23:25.30 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 23:25.33 | shockbeta|work | no that section is lifted posts from forums, that seciton is actually peoples exploits in combating multiboxers |
| 23:25.41 | Thunder_Child | you should be, it's very rewarding |
| 23:26.15 | Aiiane | shockbeta: it's *selectively* lifted |
| 23:26.20 | shockbeta|work | well it looks liek jsut one person, but still. |
| 23:26.24 | Thunder_Child | besides, you know you felt like saying something to that effect |
| 23:27.06 | shockbeta|work | it's sleectively lifted from the people who know how to play to teh average joe who who complains that a groupo of 5 took his character down ina single blow... |
| 23:29.04 | Aiiane | I'm not going to bother continuing the discussion |
| 23:29.09 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 23:29.12 | Sores | shockbeta: "Multiboxing and $$$" is the only reason they don't care |
| 23:29.29 | Sores | that is the only reason they haven't banned it |
| 23:29.32 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 23:29.44 | shockbeta|work | but hten why do they ban all teh gold sellers who paid for their accounts? |
| 23:29.56 | Sores | because those gold sellers will buy new accounts |
| 23:30.00 | Sores | which will result in more cash for them anyway |
| 23:30.07 | shockbeta|work | well technically they don't |
| 23:31.07 | Sores | And even if they didn't, why would they want other companies gain cash from their property |
| 23:31.11 | Sores | it's a war |
| 23:31.29 | Sores | all gold, everything in-game is actually theirs, as stated in the eula, they just let us use it |
| 23:32.40 | shockbeta|work | the best qoute ever from anyone who brought up money was the deciding factor on not bannign multiboxing is this one... |
| 23:32.52 | shockbeta|work | "I can't hear you over the sound of my Mercedes. |
| 23:32.52 | shockbeta|work | Feel free to suggest changes to policy on our Suggestions Forum. Go with the blessing of the Antepope." |
| 23:32.52 | shockbeta|work | Belfaire, Blizzard Poster |
| 23:32.59 | shockbeta|work | lmao |
| 23:34.05 | Sores | he forgot to add "brand new" |
| 23:34.26 | Sores | and the invisible qoute at the end "from all those dirty $$" :P |
| 23:36.20 | shockbeta|work | I'm curious hwo many multiboxers have you encountered in games? |
| 23:36.43 | Sores | I haven't encountered all that many, but i just don't like it |
| 23:37.21 | Sores | ANd dont you realise, those are blizzards employees, they get paid to say whatever their bosses wants them to |
| 23:37.32 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 23:37.51 | Sores | It's their job, on their free time they might as well dislike it as much as the next guy |
| 23:38.01 | shockbeta|work | I just have the mindset that their really isn't anythign wrong with multiboxing |
| 23:38.13 | Aiiane | and other people don't |
| 23:38.24 | Aiiane | so would you all mind knocking off the circular arguments |
| 23:38.30 | shockbeta|work | lol |
| 23:38.35 | Aiiane | since there's no real "good" answer and you've been going on forever now |
| 23:40.17 | Sores | Aiiane: aye my mouth is done with this argument, wasted more then enough of my time , time to do something usefull (sleep :P) |
| 23:43.05 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, circular argument? which came first the chicken or the egg? |
| 23:43.25 | Aiiane | Dunno, but root came before booth |
| 23:43.27 | Aiiane | *both |
| 23:45.35 | Thunder_Child | ~glare Aiiane |
| 23:45.36 | purl | ACTION glares at Aiiane |
| 23:48.53 | Aiiane | more stupid people posting comments about the Squared patch -_- |
| 23:49.03 | knix | haha what'd you patch? |
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| 23:50.38 | Aiiane | knix: I changed the dimension settings to take the UI scaling into account |
| 23:50.43 | Aiiane | so if you did bordersize 1 |
| 23:50.48 | Aiiane | it'd make it actually be 1 pixel |
| 23:50.56 | Aiiane | etc |
| 23:51.42 | Aiiane | the side effect is that old dimension settings would result in larger sizes in the new system |
| 23:52.05 | Aiiane | so of course, loading up after the patch squares are about twice as big as they were before... which is easily fixed by just changing the box size again |
| 23:52.09 | Aiiane | to something smaller |
| 23:54.12 | knix | And people are actually commenting about this on the project page that probably clearly states the change? |
| 23:55.00 | Thrae | Aiiane: Aha! The class icons in Squared have anchor points which scale them by the height of the box. So that's why I can't see the health bar unless I change it to "Rectangled". |
| 23:55.56 | Thrae | Aiiane: You probably meant to anchor them to the center of the box, not the top as it appears. |
| 23:59.23 | Aiiane | ahroo? |
