| 00:03.28 | Aii | Belatuca1ros: I don't suppose you can convince the mythic UI lead to get on IRC :P |
| 00:05.37 | Belatuca1ros | haha, what do you need :P |
| 00:06.04 | Aii | nothing specific |
| 00:06.08 | Belatuca1ros | pfft |
| 00:06.10 | Aii | would just be nice to be able to talk |
| 00:06.48 | `Zypher | I just wish that isDebuff was a little better. |
| 00:07.04 | `Zypher | :S |
| 00:12.01 | `Zypher | ahhh |
| 00:12.05 | `Zypher | i fix one bug |
| 00:12.08 | `Zypher | and make a new one |
| 00:12.09 | `Zypher | :S |
| 00:12.13 | Aii | hehe |
| 00:13.03 | DarkTrooper | err this is really bizzare, on my SW, in stance 1 or 2 i get the default bar 1 hotbar, in stance 3 it changes it, and i can't find a setting anywhere to enable/dsiable that |
| 00:13.45 | `Zypher | Aii: now that the sorting works, only the first buff/debuff have tooltips |
| 00:13.46 | `Zypher | lol |
| 00:15.33 | Aii | to quote my current professor verbatim: |
| 00:15.42 | Aii | "things used to be really fucked up. now they're just fucked up." |
| 00:16.12 | bets | well said |
| 00:16.29 | `Zypher | Aii: lol, how does RemoveEffect() work? |
| 00:16.43 | `Zypher | because it takes effectIndex |
| 00:16.55 | Aii | i can't really look for you right now |
| 00:16.56 | `Zypher | but there are more then one buff per effectIndex |
| 00:16.59 | `Zypher | lol k |
| 00:17.07 | Aii | dont have any of my reference material on my laptop |
| 00:17.14 | Aii | just webbrowser and terminal :) |
| 00:30.06 | Aii | heading to dinner, ttfn |
| 00:34.20 | `Zypher | Aii: food is for the fat. |
| 00:34.46 | Belatuca1ros | o.O |
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| 00:43.21 | `Zypher | Belatuca1ros: I hate RemoveEffect |
| 00:43.24 | `Zypher | hate! |
| 00:44.01 | Belatuca1ros | hah |
| 00:47.53 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v0.6 * v0.6 / (3 files in 2 directories): (5 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 00:47.55 | Repo | I broke debuff removal/tooltips in the last version this just makes them not show at all |
| 00:48.01 | Repo | fixed sorting, yay |
| 00:48.07 | Repo | added tooltips, and ability to right click remove buffs |
| 00:48.13 | Repo | fixed some coloring |
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| 00:57.52 | Daegalus | im back |
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| 01:22.21 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v0.7 * v0.7 / (3 files in 2 directories): (6 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 01:22.23 | Repo | more work on filtering |
| 01:22.29 | Repo | I broke debuff removal/tooltips in the last version this just makes them not show at all |
| 01:22.35 | Repo | fixed sorting, yay |
| 01:22.41 | Repo | added tooltips, and ability to right click remove buffs |
| 01:22.47 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn * v0.7 core/core.lua: more work on filtering |
| 01:23.44 | `Zypher | leh sigghh |
| 01:29.02 | netcurse | http://www.curse.com/articles/details/13354/ |
| 01:29.14 | netcurse | sup Zypher? |
| 01:35.00 | `Zypher | lots of little fixes |
| 01:35.04 | `Zypher | netcurse: lol |
| 01:35.46 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v0.8 * v0.8 / (3 files in 2 directories): (7 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 01:35.48 | Repo | more work on filtering, again |
| 01:35.54 | Repo | more work on filtering |
| 01:36.00 | Repo | I broke debuff removal/tooltips in the last version this just makes them not show at all |
| 01:36.06 | Repo | fixed sorting, yay |
| 01:36.12 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn * v0.8 core/core.lua: more work on filtering, again |
| 01:37.32 | `Zypher | im done working on it tonite |
| 01:37.34 | `Zypher | ! |
| 01:41.44 | `Zypher | some use it |
| 01:41.47 | `Zypher | and tell me its terrible. |
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| 02:02.43 | TieDyedGuy | Can we make text appear were the red RVR test appears? I'm trying differnet ways with AlertWindow.Addline, but all the alerttypes seem to do the same thing |
| 02:21.39 | tronned | what's the best way to remove ^M or ^F from the end of text in lua? |
| 02:34.53 | Aiiane | somestr:match("(.*)\^.*") |
| 02:34.58 | Aiiane | ^ try that, tronned |
| 02:35.07 | Aiiane | will match everything before the first ^ |
| 02:36.00 | Aiiane | TieDyedGuy: the red rvr text isn't actually an alert |
| 02:38.25 | Aiiane | it's actually a label created by the player window module |
| 02:39.53 | tronned | Aii: it was str:match(L"(.*)\^.*") ... thank you <3 |
| 02:40.12 | Aiiane | tronned: yes, for wstrings the regex also has to be a wstring |
| 02:40.15 | Aiiane | but you didn't specify |
| 02:40.16 | thanners_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.21 | Aiiane | so I just gave you the regular version |
| 02:40.25 | tronned | my bad |
| 02:40.49 | Aiiane | if you actually wanted to know what the control characters were |
| 02:40.51 | Aiiane | you could do |
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| 02:41.12 | Aiiane | normal, control = str:match(L"(.*)\^(.*)") |
| 02:42.17 | TieDyedGuy | Aiiane: Thank you again! |
| 02:45.10 | ghostfish | ahhhhh fuck |
| 02:45.21 | ghostfish | why would you start head-start on sunday |
| 02:45.31 | ghostfish | WTB: friday night/saturday head start start |
| 02:46.01 | Daegalus | Im happy that my classes dont start till the 22nd |
| 02:46.09 | Daegalus | i get 7 full days of play time |
| 02:46.24 | ghostfish | heh nice |
| 02:46.42 | ghostfish | I'm going to be doing as much advance work as possible and going hardcore sunday |
| 02:46.55 | ghostfish | wonder if I can snag 20 the first day |
| 02:46.56 | tronned | Aii: Thanks again, that's awesome for grammar markup ^^ |
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| 02:50.45 | TieDyedGuy | I know I saw it somewhere, but can't find it now. How do I dump all the sounds into the debug window? |
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| 02:51.40 | `Zypher | TieDyedGuy: DUMP_TABLE(GameData.Sounds) |
| 02:52.19 | TieDyedGuy | Thank you! |
| 02:52.43 | Aiiane | you can also check http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Contents_of_GameData |
| 02:52.46 | Aiiane | it's in there ;) |
| 02:53.05 | Aiiane | purl, wargamedata is http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Contents_of_GameData |
| 02:53.06 | purl | Aiiane: okay |
| 02:53.23 | Aiiane | purl, warsysdata is http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Contents_of_SystemData |
| 02:53.24 | purl | okay, Aiiane |
| 02:53.44 | TieDyedGuy | Aii: Damn it, I scanned through there and missed it :) Thanks! |
| 02:54.01 | Aiiane | it's about ~1/3 of the way through |
| 02:54.05 | Aiiane | just search for Sound |
| 02:58.28 | `Zypher | I love it how you can cast debuffs on yourself! |
| 02:58.31 | `Zypher | how cool is that?! |
| 03:01.06 | thanners | you can? rofl |
| 03:01.25 | `Zypher | well |
| 03:01.27 | `Zypher | technically |
| 03:01.42 | `Zypher | some buffs are flagged as isDebuff = true |
| 03:01.48 | `Zypher | so technically they are debuffs. |
| 03:02.03 | `Zypher | which is really annoying when your trying to sort these things |
| 03:02.11 | `Zypher | I get to see who the caster is |
| 03:02.14 | `Zypher | and if I cast them |
| 03:02.19 | `Zypher | then I have to set those flags to false. |
| 03:02.21 | `Zypher | :S |
| 03:02.47 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v0.9 * v0.9 / (3 files in 2 directories): (8 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 03:02.49 | Repo | Mythic's handling of the bufftable is very wierd |
| 03:02.55 | Repo | more work on filtering, again |
| 03:02.55 | thanners | mmm |
| 03:03.01 | Repo | more work on filtering |
| 03:03.07 | Repo | I broke debuff removal/tooltips in the last version this just makes them not show at all |
| 03:03.13 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn * v0.9 core/core.lua: Mythic's handling of the bufftable is very wierd |
| 03:03.38 | `Zypher | for example thanners |
| 03:04.00 | `Zypher | vehement blades reduces my ap cost of all abilites by 50% |
| 03:04.05 | `Zypher | but this is a debuff on the target |
| 03:04.14 | `Zypher | so its flagged as isDebuff = true |
| 03:04.18 | `Zypher | :S |
| 03:05.17 | `Zypher | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/zbb/images/2-newer-image/ |
| 03:05.21 | `Zypher | bigger images ftw? |
| 03:11.58 | thanners | `Zypher: ah, i can see the sense behind it now. |
| 03:15.01 | `Zypher | I don't like it lol |
| 03:15.06 | `Zypher | but what can you do... just set them to false and keep rollin. |
| 03:15.07 | thanners | yeah, even though I can see the sense behind it, I imagine it confuses things. :P |
| 03:16.21 | `Zypher | I need a better statusbar rofl |
| 03:16.26 | `Zypher | the one I have looks wierd imo |
| 03:29.52 | Aiiane | they really need to make heals not aggro the npc guards |
| 03:29.57 | Aiiane | I hate it when I put a hot on someone |
| 03:30.02 | Aiiane | and then they go off and be stupid |
| 03:30.06 | Aiiane | and aggro the warcamp guards |
| 03:30.10 | Aiiane | who then come kill me -_- |
| 03:30.45 | thanners | mmmm |
| 03:31.20 | thanners | that would be very annoying. |
| 03:41.24 | `Zypher | rawr |
| 03:41.30 | `Zypher | ir tiguhh |
| 03:42.34 | thanners | o_O |
| 03:43.30 | `Zypher | I gots a new texture! |
| 03:46.29 | `Zypher | version 1.0 gets a new skin :D |
| 03:48.14 | thanners | whoo (c: |
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| 03:48.47 | thanners | Managed to load external textures yet? Or just found a new (existing) texture to play with? |
| 03:52.16 | Aiiane | ? |
| 03:52.22 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v1.0 * v1.0 / (3 files in 2 directories): (9 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 03:52.23 | Repo | yay new skins for 1.0 |
| 03:52.29 | Repo | Mythic's handling of the bufftable is very wierd |
| 03:52.35 | Repo | more work on filtering, again |
| 03:52.38 | thanners | I'm trying to figure out how managing stuff on curseforge works |
| 03:52.41 | Repo | more work on filtering |
| 03:53.13 | `Zypher | thanners: you should see the new skin |
| 03:53.18 | `Zypher | I think it looks much better! |
| 03:53.29 | thanners | oops, no, I just fail at hg tagging. |
| 03:54.00 | thanners | `Zypher: can't check atm; got a screenshot? (c: |
| 03:54.31 | Aiiane | thanners: lol |
| 03:54.47 | thanners | Aiiane: for some reason I put a -m after the tag. |
| 03:54.50 | `Zypher | thanners: lol ya one sec |
| 03:54.56 | `Zypher | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/19/9/669/zbb-1.0.png |
| 03:55.05 | thanners | So it created three tags. "0.1.0", "-m" and "<other stuff>" |
| 03:55.28 | `Zypher | what do you think? |
| 03:55.58 | thanners | stylish |
| 03:56.10 | `Zypher | :D |
| 03:56.30 | `Zypher | I think I can leave it alone for now. |
| 03:56.38 | `Zypher | I'm tired of messing with it |
| 03:56.52 | Aiiane | which texture was that `Zypher? |
| 03:57.02 | thanners | well, seems like it's at a decent point |
| 03:57.11 | `Zypher | Aiiane: secret! |
| 03:57.20 | Aiiane | `Zypher: you realize the code is open source :P |
| 03:57.21 | `Zypher | you will have to wait for 1.0 to get built :P |
| 03:57.29 | Aiiane | I can build it myself I I want :P |
| 03:57.37 | `Zypher | go ahead |
| 03:57.45 | `Zypher | but it looks good doesn't it? |
| 03:57.51 | Aiiane | rvring, cba |
| 03:58.22 | thanners | Is there a way to remove files if you.. uhh. mis-tag things? |
| 03:58.24 | Daegalus | Too bright zypher, would be nicer if the brigtnesss was between the old ones, and hte new ones. |
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| 03:59.19 | Aiiane | brightness can be toned down easily via tiint |
| 03:59.23 | Aiiane | *tint |
| 03:59.42 | `Zypher | Daegalus: I like it brighter :S |
| 03:59.55 | `Zypher | In the end I will give the user the ability to set buff and debuff colors |
| 04:00.01 | `Zypher | I'm just getting the base working atm |
| 04:00.06 | Daegalus | ah ok |
| 04:00.45 | `Zypher | Daegalus: atm buff = 0, 255, 0 |
| 04:00.50 | `Zypher | debuff = 255, 0, 0 |
| 04:00.51 | `Zypher | lol |
| 04:01.03 | Daegalus | its notht ecolors |
| 04:01.08 | Daegalus | ut the brightness of them. |
| 04:01.16 | `Zypher | ~_~ |
| 04:01.16 | purl | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 04:01.17 | Daegalus | wait. ignore that, im an idiot |
| 04:04.56 | `Zypher | hrmmm |
| 04:05.03 | `Zypher | I should really do some school work |
| 04:05.03 | `Zypher | haha |
| 04:05.17 | Aiiane | ~fail Daegalus |
| 04:05.18 | purl | Daegalus: FAIL! |
| 04:05.29 | Daegalus | lol |
| 04:05.53 | `Zypher | Aiiane: so what do you think? |
| 04:06.07 | Daegalus | mainly i might change this for myself, but I want to have the different colors that the UI uses. like Yellow, blue, grenn, etc. for the different types of abilities |
| 04:06.08 | Aiiane | ? |
| 04:06.28 | `Zypher | Daegalus: yah |
| 04:06.35 | `Zypher | I just prefer them to be all one color |
| 04:06.45 | `Zypher | Aiiane: the look, its pretty clean eh? |
| 04:07.31 | `Zypher | :( |
| 04:07.40 | `Zypher | I want your approval /wrists. |
| 04:10.10 | thanners | stayed up so late last night.. |
| 04:10.21 | thanners | and for what? writing my tic-tac-toe addon. :P |
| 04:11.13 | DarkTrooper | i wrote a tic tac toe program for my HS IPT AI project, the user could't win :) |
| 04:11.37 | thanners | heh |
| 04:12.33 | thanners | that's the thing with tic tac toe.. once you've figured it out, unless you're deliberately playing naively, you'll always end up drawing. |
| 04:14.54 | `Zypher | Daegalus: I might have a fix for you ok |
| 04:15.14 | Daegalus | haha ok. you dont have to if you dont want to. |
| 04:16.08 | `Zypher | well |
| 04:16.18 | `Zypher | what I'm gunna do is just grab the ones from the bufftable |
| 04:16.26 | `Zypher | sometimes they don't have a color tho |
| 04:16.33 | `Zypher | so I'll just set those to green |
| 04:16.34 | `Zypher | or red |
| 04:16.37 | `Zypher | depending |
| 04:16.56 | Daegalus | thats cool. once you add configuration to the addon, I think the addon will shine =) |
| 04:17.04 | Daegalus | I know ill be using it |
| 04:19.36 | `Zypher | Daegalus: good. |
| 04:19.59 | Aiiane | Good, I didn't really want to have to maintain WST :P |
| 04:20.23 | DarkTrooper | in taht case, i'll still use WST |
| 04:20.32 | Aiiane | ~lart DarkTrooper |
| 04:20.33 | purl | slaps DarkTrooper upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:21.53 | `Zypher | I will eventually have to add tracking for targets like wst |
| 04:21.58 | `Zypher | because people wont want to use both |
| 04:21.58 | `Zypher | lol |
| 04:28.52 | DarkTrooper | someone should just combine all the good mods together into one mamoth mod, then poke mythic to just intergrate it |
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| 04:30.11 | Aiiane | "good" is subjective |
| 04:30.40 | DarkTrooper | of course |
| 04:31.00 | DarkTrooper | and of course i'm talking about what i think is good, and mythic should just do as i tell them :P |
| 04:31.08 | Daegalus | technically some addons should be handled by them, i mean AutoLoot is like 2 lines, should be a User Setting |
| 04:38.05 | Aiiane | sure |
| 04:40.14 | bets | i've always shyed away from all-in-one type mods in the past (in other games) |
| 04:40.51 | `Zypher | I've never known they existed? |
| 04:42.47 | Aiiane | google mazzleui |
| 04:48.05 | `Zypher | oh |
| 04:48.07 | `Zypher | interesting |
| 04:48.16 | `Zypher | did he just write bridge addons? |
| 05:01.00 | `Zypher | Daegalus: ok font, font scale, buff and debuff color options are about done |
| 05:01.21 | Daegalus | sounds awesome =) |
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| 05:02.11 | `Zypher | now I need to find good fonts rofl |
| 05:02.23 | `Zypher | there aren't very many good small fonts in the default ui |
| 05:02.38 | DarkTrooper | there arn't many fonts in the ui period, and they all suck :) |
| 05:05.39 | Daegalus | i just use the Warhammer font |
| 05:05.54 | Daegalus | and Zypher, just noticed, your addon doesnt show aura buffs |
| 05:06.10 | Daegalus | like Chosen auras, DoK covenants |
| 05:06.10 | DarkTrooper | *snicker* |
| 05:06.11 | Daegalus | etc. |
| 05:06.45 | `Zypher | Daegalus: isn't that their mechanic tho? |
| 05:06.49 | `Zypher | like |
| 05:06.52 | `Zypher | hmm |
| 05:06.54 | `Zypher | yah its not a buff |
| 05:07.12 | Daegalus | well as soon as i stop it and it starts counting down for Chosen |
| 05:07.13 | Daegalus | it shows up |
| 05:07.20 | Daegalus | and Covenants arent a mechanic |
| 05:07.27 | Daegalus | they are jsut that, buffs with no timer |
| 05:08.40 | Daegalus | the default UI considers it a debuff |
| 05:08.46 | `Zypher | Daegalus: thats why, theres no timer |
| 05:08.47 | `Zypher | lol |
| 05:09.00 | `Zypher | I have it setup to not show anything without a timer |
| 05:11.08 | `Zypher | now I gotta check and see how it works with those classes.... |
| 05:11.09 | `Zypher | goddamnit |
| 05:11.13 | `Zypher | I'm going to sleep by 11! |
| 05:12.22 | `Zypher | Daegalus: font changing etc works |
| 05:12.36 | `Zypher | but you have to wait for all the bars to go byebye |
| 05:12.41 | `Zypher | before the changes take effect |
| 05:12.43 | Daegalus | lol its cool, you dont have to do it tonight |
| 05:13.37 | DarkTrooper | `Zypher is the one always saying sleep is for the weak? |
| 05:15.56 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v1.0.1 * v1.0.1 / (3 files in 2 directories): (10 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 6 lines) |
| 05:15.58 | Repo | added a bunch of new options |
| 05:16.04 | Repo | yay new skins for 1.0 |
| 05:16.10 | Repo | Mythic's handling of the bufftable is very wierd |
| 05:16.16 | Repo | more work on filtering, again |
| 05:16.24 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn * v1.0.1 / (3 files in 2 directories): added a bunch of new options |
| 05:17.20 | `Zypher | DarkTrooper: I've been up for 19 hours lol |
| 05:17.34 | `Zypher | Daegalus: once that gets built |
| 05:17.37 | `Zypher | try it for me |
| 05:17.41 | `Zypher | report bugs on curseforge |
| 05:17.43 | `Zypher | I need to sleep. |
| 05:20.10 | Daegalus | haha ok cool |
| 05:21.38 | `Zypher | Daegalus: goddamn |
| 05:21.46 | Daegalus | ? |
| 05:21.47 | `Zypher | I have a bunch of typos in the slash commands |
| 05:21.48 | `Zypher | >.> |
| 05:21.54 | DarkTrooper | he broke it |
| 05:22.36 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn * v1.0.1-1-g9c1b37a core/core.lua: fixing some typos |
| 05:22.59 | `Zypher | fuck |
| 05:23.01 | `Zypher | im making errors |
| 05:23.09 | `Zypher | im going to sleep before i mess something up |
| 05:23.13 | `Zypher | instead of just typos. |
| 05:32.41 | thanners | heh |
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| 05:58.32 | thanners | so.. if you accidentally push some strange tags to curseforge, is there any way you can remove the files that get created? |
| 06:09.02 | Aiiane | yes |
| 06:09.08 | Aiiane | click on the file in the list to go to its page |
| 06:09.32 | Aiiane | then go to File Actions -> Delete File |
| 06:10.33 | thanners | ahh, thanks. I'd missed that |
| 06:19.56 | thanners | right. |
| 06:20.03 | thanners | Now I just need something worthwhile to work on. :P |
| 06:27.44 | DarkTrooper | good luck with that, everything worthwhile is already done/being done |
| 06:27.57 | DarkTrooper | except perhaps fubar 3, but i'm sure *someone* is already on that |
| 06:28.20 | Daegalus | gah, for some reason my Infuence bar disappeared |
| 06:28.26 | Daegalus | and wont show up when reloading UI |
| 06:28.35 | DarkTrooper | is this a new character? |
| 06:29.08 | DarkTrooper | when i had that happening, by changing chapters i was able to get it to show |
| 06:29.43 | Thrae | Damn, there are already Level 22s and beyond...and I thought *I* had no life! |
| 06:30.00 | DarkTrooper | people will be 40 before HS ends |
| 06:30.06 | Daegalus | ya new character and i have the UI scale smaller than normal |
| 06:30.16 | Thrae | HS? |
| 06:30.18 | Daegalus | pq tracker is missing too |
| 06:30.23 | DarkTrooper | head start |
| 06:30.28 | Thrae | Ah |
| 06:30.39 | Daegalus | geting to 22 isnt hard |
| 06:30.41 | Daegalus | at all |
| 06:30.46 | Daegalus | i have 7 level 12 characters |
| 06:30.47 | DarkTrooper | Daegalus: yeah i had that happen on occasion, again, changing chapters fixed it up |
| 06:31.06 | DarkTrooper | lol i don't even have 1 lvl 12 |
| 06:31.15 | DarkTrooper | then again, i play hearts all day >.> |
| 06:31.25 | Thrae | Won't they be bored...what will they do, fight the other Level 40 HS maniacs for the time it takes for others to get up to Level 30+? |
| 06:31.36 | DarkTrooper | yeah they'll get bored |
| 06:31.44 | Thrae | Well, I guess they could just reroll |
| 06:31.46 | DarkTrooper | they'll also sleep for a few days while everyone else catches up |
| 06:31.49 | DarkTrooper | or re-roll alts |
| 06:32.14 | Thrae | Daegalus: Changing the UI scale messes everything up substantially |
| 06:32.20 | Thrae | I'm still trying to fix my own UI |
| 06:32.36 | Thrae | I can't move the Scenario RvR bars. |
| 06:32.41 | DarkTrooper | i was reading some posts where a group of 4 guys have already alloted 96 hours straight of warhammer (took time off work etc) to try and hit the cap first |
| 06:33.09 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: In WoW, you actually get a reward for doing so |
| 06:33.17 | Thrae | I don't think so in WAR, but maybe you do |
| 06:33.19 | DarkTrooper | yeah being bored :) |
| 06:33.28 | Thrae | Nah, you get a special title in Wrath of the Lich King |
| 06:33.31 | DarkTrooper | the first 60s were bored shitless, the first 70s were the same :) |
| 06:33.57 | Thrae | WotLK == Steal WAR's Tome Acheivements |
| 06:34.07 | DarkTrooper | did they actually put that title in? i thought they decided against it as they wanted to moderate play |
| 06:34.12 | Thrae | Not that WAR had it first, but they probably did it because WAR did it |
| 06:34.26 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: Unless a patch took it out, it's still in |
| 06:34.42 | DarkTrooper | i'd say it was on the plan for a long time Thrae, but war just prodded them along |
| 06:35.15 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: You could say it was in planning with EQ, which both WAR and WoW share developers from ;) |
| 06:35.37 | DarkTrooper | either way war tome > wow achievements :) |
| 06:35.44 | Thrae | And of course, EQ got some of its devs from MUDs. |
| 06:39.19 | DarkTrooper | and so it begins... |
| 06:39.21 | DarkTrooper | "Why are you even here debating if you plan on playing Core? This thread was meant for the more hardcore pvp players." |
| 06:41.51 | Aiiane | see, that's what I hate |
| 06:41.58 | Aiiane | people are describing open as "hardcore" |
| 06:42.00 | Aiiane | when it's really not |
| 06:42.03 | Aiiane | it's just a different style |
| 06:42.05 | Thrae | Wouldn't it be funny if the Open RvR servers weren't ready for Headstart. |
| 06:45.57 | DarkTrooper | open rvr servers are going to be ghosttowns within 3 months anyway |
| 06:46.12 | DarkTrooper | and we can replace 'hardcore' with 'stubbon' :) |
| 06:46.49 | Thrae | Just put all the gankers, griefers, emo kids, and goths on there. Everyone will roll Destruction except five people. |
| 06:47.05 | DarkTrooper | the only advantage to having these 'hardcore' servers is, almost of the wankers will roll there and not whinge as much on the core realm forums :) |
| 06:47.10 | Daegalus | ya, i see this scenerio after 2-3 months: Mythic puts a poll up "Would you like to see all the dead Open RVR servers be changed to core?" and the votes will be 65%+ for yes, 35%- for keeping it |
| 06:48.22 | DarkTrooper | i blame mythic tho, they could have handled the open servers better, could have given the people what they wanted, without bowing down to the griefers |
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| 06:52.04 | Daegalus | not really, the way the chicken mechanic was put in, by the time they even thought about Open RVR, they couldnt change it |
| 06:52.19 | Daegalus | also it will cause more network traffic |
| 06:52.44 | DarkTrooper | there were a multitude of ways to let higher level players still get the pve tome unlocks without letting them pvp in a zone they've outleveled |
| 06:53.31 | thanners | DarkTrooper: going back to "worthwhile stuff": yeah, I was thinking "hmm. people more capable than I are already doing all the things I thought were kinda cool." |
| 06:54.10 | DarkTrooper | ?? |
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| 06:55.12 | thanners | sorry, i hadn't let my window scroll, so i was reading your comment from.. like.. half an hour ago. (c: |
| 06:55.19 | thanners | about everything worthwhile already being worked on |
| 06:55.53 | Daegalus | Dark: problem with that, how will they prevent ganking if everyone is pvp flagged |
| 06:56.28 | DarkTrooper | oh , lol than, now i'm with you :) |
| 06:56.59 | Daegalus | there is the problem, they cant prevent ganking and give people open rvr. |
| 06:57.06 | Aiiane | the never-ending problem with writing a unitframes addon... you're always looking for someone to group with to test it >< |
| 06:57.22 | DarkTrooper | and Daegalus: there's certianly more creative solutions than 'yeah lets just let anyone in a tier below them, no one would possible exploit that and gank people' |
| 06:57.33 | Daegalus | Aii: just tell me and ill log on, im hating the current PVP anyway. healers arent healing |
| 06:57.34 | DarkTrooper | Aii: double box imo :) |
| 06:57.53 | Aiiane | I don't have another box (nor another account) to doublebox |
| 06:58.07 | Aiiane | Daegalus: Todbringer server, destro |
| 06:58.13 | Daegalus | got it |
| 06:58.17 | Daegalus | coming |
| 06:58.29 | DarkTrooper | as you probably know, youdon't necessarily need 2 boxes to do that (tho you do need 2 accounts, doh!) |
| 06:58.34 | thanners | regardingt he open server thing: grr. couple of my friends are intent on playing on one |
| 06:58.51 | Daegalus | Dark: There isnt without allowing people to grief |
| 06:59.07 | Daegalus | Tell them to stop being idiots |
| 06:59.19 | Aiiane | just whisper aiiane when you get on daeg |
| 07:00.16 | DarkTrooper | there's always creative ways to grief, sure, but it can be minimized |
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| 07:00.29 | DarkTrooper | the debolster suggestion was pretty solid i thought |
| 07:00.44 | Aiiane | debolster is harder than it sounds, if you want to make it actually useful |
| 07:00.57 | DarkTrooper | yeah i realise that Aii :) |
| 07:01.00 | DarkTrooper | you can also have lower levels unattackable unless they attack first |
| 07:01.00 | Aiiane | what's the point of debolstering a level 40 to level 8, if they still have the wounds bonuses etc from level 40 gear |
| 07:01.10 | DarkTrooper | you scale it |
| 07:01.23 | Aiiane | but see, if that's the case then you just get people griefing aoe classes |
| 07:01.26 | DarkTrooper | so you'd have hard limits, based on the best gear around i guess |
| 07:01.26 | Daegalus | what about abilities |
| 07:01.28 | Aiiane | and scaling is the hard part DarkTrooper ;) |
| 07:01.33 | Daegalus | the class has tons of abilities |
| 07:01.35 | Aiiane | also, what about highies healing lowbies |
| 07:01.37 | Daegalus | that arent available to a level 8 |
| 07:01.48 | Aiiane | etc etc |
| 07:01.48 | DarkTrooper | ah, but aoe abilities don't have to trigger rvr on the higher level toon |
| 07:02.07 | Aiiane | see, you keep introducing complicates |
| 07:02.09 | DarkTrooper | the aoe from say a 10 isn't goign to do too much to a 22 or 31 etc |
| 07:02.14 | Aiiane | s/ates/ations/ |
| 07:02.42 | DarkTrooper | i'm not saying it's a not a complex endevor to do, i'm saying it's much more comprehensive than just 'yeah okay, we lisdtened, go gank people' |
| 07:03.17 | fnatic\paulw | right so erm, anyone know how you can get your hands on the original code for ui elements ? :) |
| 07:03.18 | Thrae | You could do the opposite -- Bolster goes up to the average level of the enemy players in the area. |
| 07:03.52 | Aiiane | so you have 4 level 8s and a level 40 Thrae |
| 07:03.55 | Aiiane | what do you bolster? |
| 07:04.01 | Aiiane | also, define "in the area"? |
| 07:04.02 | DarkTrooper | yeah bolster isn't good |
| 07:04.30 | DarkTrooper | fnatic\paulw: it's in the .myp dunno if there's an extractor floating around the internet tho |
| 07:04.51 | Daegalus | you guyskeep forgetting that a level 40 has tons more abilities than a level 8, they have more ways of killng you, while you have a total of 5 abiltiies |
| 07:05.26 | DarkTrooper | bascially worse case scenario, which is what i look at, is a lvl 20/21 vs a lvl 3, there's just no way to win |
| 07:05.40 | DarkTrooper | anyoen that things guildies is goign to help you level is kidding themselves |
| 07:05.50 | fnatic\paulw | k thanks DarkTrooper :) |
| 07:06.00 | Thrae | Hmmm, what about using PCs and NPCs? Lower level players could have tools to "spawn" higher level players and/or NPCs upon the lower level player's death. |
| 07:06.04 | Daegalus | thats why i think Open should of never happened. Mythic shouldnt of caved |
| 07:06.07 | DarkTrooper | what would you rather do as a mid-level character, keep leveling or babysit some noob? |
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| 07:06.33 | DarkTrooper | what woudl you rather do as a max level player, burn cities or babysit in chapter 4? :) |
| 07:06.35 | Daegalus | bah, sorry aiiane, CTDed |
| 07:06.45 | Aiiane | s'np |
| 07:07.32 | Aiiane | like I said... I would have preferred if instead of introducing open rvr servers |
| 07:07.38 | Aiiane | they just expanded the quests in the rvr lakes |
| 07:07.42 | DarkTrooper | ya |
| 07:07.43 | Daegalus | In the mind of a griefer, killing level 4 would be priority |
| 07:08.16 | DarkTrooper | DoK and WP will be the biggest griefers i reckon :) |
| 07:08.25 | DarkTrooper | going around either single or small packs |
| 07:08.39 | Daegalus | they can probably take on a small pack of lower levels with ease solo |
| 07:08.52 | DarkTrooper | yu |
| 07:08.58 | Daegalus | gah i seriously hope Open dies out and is removed |
| 07:09.08 | DarkTrooper | i reckon a lvl 21 could walk into a number of PQs and wipe everyone :) |
| 07:09.24 | Thrae | Usually griefers are classes that can kill quickly and/or stealthily |
| 07:09.39 | DarkTrooper | while that sounds amusing on paper, it's probably not fun for the other side of the sword |
| 07:10.01 | Thrae | Right now, decked out BW are notorious for trying to pick off random Destruction |
| 07:10.05 | thanners | (some of) my friends would always complain in WoW about being ganked. |
| 07:10.06 | DarkTrooper | well no class can kill quickly really |
| 07:10.12 | thanners | and yet they want to play on Open. |
| 07:10.22 | Thrae | thanners: They played on a PvP Server? |
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| 07:10.58 | Aiiane | decked out BW, and decked out WH/WE |
| 07:12.03 | Thrae | WoW Players don't really understand PvP. I had one guild officer convinced that on their PvP servers, gankers and griefers existed because "There wasn't enough good PvP, so they had to resort to 'griefing' to intice fights." |
| 07:12.17 | Thrae | s#intice#entice# |
| 07:12.25 | thanners | Thrae: aye |
| 07:12.39 | DarkTrooper | i kinda diagree, BG's before xrealm was real pvp imo |
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| 07:13.01 | DarkTrooper | after xrealm tho, pvp went to the shitter really, heh |
| 07:13.48 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: 12-hour long AV fights, 6-hour long WSG fights |
| 07:13.59 | Thrae | They only recently fixed WSG |
| 07:14.13 | DarkTrooper | wsg was cool back them tho |
| 07:14.25 | DarkTrooper | the 'pugs' were bunches of known people, against bunches of known people :) |
| 07:14.43 | Thrae | Yeah it was fun when everyone wanted to fight normally |
| 07:15.06 | thanners | heh. |
| 07:15.07 | thanners | or the really old tarren mill - southshore fights |
| 07:15.29 | Thrae | Now THAT is more like parts of WAR. |
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| 07:18.43 | DarkTrooper | haha, it started raining, and the setting sun is still out |
| 07:20.02 | thanners | I really like that |
| 07:20.19 | thanners | Assuming I'm picturing what you're describing properly |
| 07:20.31 | DarkTrooper | you probably are, it was quite pretty |
| 07:20.42 | DarkTrooper | if i wasn't so lazy i would have taken a picture of it ^^ |
| 07:20.47 | thanners | haha |
| 07:21.40 | Thrae | "I have a spider on my screen." "Omg, take a screenshot!" |
| 07:22.11 | DarkTrooper | more like "kill it, then replace the screen you just broke" no? >.> |
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| 07:22.51 | Thrae | I hate it when I play a game so much some of the sound effects get stuck in my head. I have WAR's "Quest Complete / Level Gained / New Tome Unlock" sound effect stuck in my head. |
| 07:23.05 | thanners | heheheh |
| 07:23.11 | thanners | that hasn't happened to me in a while |
| 07:23.14 | DarkTrooper | i want them to change the level up gfx back to what it was |
| 07:23.22 | thanners | I think last time it happened was playing the original Diablo |
| 07:23.23 | Thrae | It doesn't help my sound system is 5.1. |
| 07:23.39 | thanners | kept hearing that item-clinking sound |
| 07:23.53 | thanners | and potion-usage sounds |
| 07:24.21 | DarkTrooper | ahah i remember that one |
| 07:24.28 | DarkTrooper | a *plip* kinda sound |
| 07:24.45 | agx | i was best WSG druid around :-P |
| 07:24.48 | JamesFS | You just mentioning the potion got it stuck in my head... thanks ;) |
| 07:25.14 | DarkTrooper | or the thump thump of the clay golem in D2 |
| 07:25.59 | JamesFS | I've had the Hind(Deer) sound from Ultima Online stuck in my head for almost 10 years now. that's a bad one |
| 07:26.46 | thanners | yeah. the darn things are difficult to get out. |
| 07:27.35 | DarkTrooper | don't worry, if you play wrath, you'll get the DK mount sound stuck in your head, and it will never ever ever come out |
| 07:27.54 | smcn | reeeeeHEHEHEHEHEHE! |
| 07:28.18 | DarkTrooper | ya, when i heard that i thought 'jesus, that's just riduclous, hope they change it' |
| 07:31.39 | DarkTrooper | interesting, i didn't know healing in a PQ didn't give you influence |
| 07:33.54 | JamesFS | no influence but does contribute toward your rating on that PQ |
| 07:34.17 | DarkTrooper | without influence you can't get the gear :) |
| 07:34.28 | DarkTrooper | i knew there was another reason i didn't roll a healer ;) |
| 07:35.15 | Daegalus | Mythic needs to improve targetting |
| 07:36.10 | DarkTrooper | ya, i think they need a target UI selection screen, where you can set how you want to target, anyone anywhere, 180 degree in front, arc in front etc |
| 07:37.14 | agx | i'm unconfortable with the chat window... i usually uses CTRL+G for guild chat... seems there is no way to set a keybind... |
| 07:37.52 | Daegalus | its not even that, its clicking is very unresponive when it comes to targeting. Player models or healthbar clicking |
| 07:38.53 | DarkTrooper | (chat UI) and it remembers the last 'type' of message guild, party, wisper, i end up sending misstells because it rememberd who i wisptered last, instead of sending it to /1 (and you can't set /1 like in wow either -_-) |
| 07:39.34 | agx | perhaps "API:ChatWindow.SetActiveWindow" ? |
| 07:40.01 | DarkTrooper | Daegalus: i was on my SW today and tab targeting, and it would constantly tag this wolf that was practically off the screen to my left, instead of the stupid dyads that were 20ft directly in front of me... wtf? |
| 07:40.59 | Daegalus | ya, tab targetting is still wonky |
| 07:41.06 | Daegalus | it was bad early beta |
| 07:41.07 | Daegalus | improved |
| 07:41.10 | Daegalus | but still fails a lot |
| 07:41.22 | DarkTrooper | i don't tend to click target as right mouse is looking around :) |
| 07:41.51 | Daegalus | i had a guy 10 feet infront of me, and a guy 5 feet. i wanted to tab target the 10 foot guy, well tabbing got me everyone (including people 100s of feet awa) but not hte 10 foot guy, and i cant use N for closest enemy cause of hte 5 ft guy |
| 07:42.23 | Daegalus | as a dok, so much is goingon, its a bit difficult to do F1-6 |
| 07:42.50 | DarkTrooper | which is why a simple solution is a targeting selector UI, you select who might be in range so you're not selecting shit you do not care about |
| 07:43.32 | Daegalus | but that just adds more bulk to the UI, no where to put such a thing atm |
| 07:43.47 | Daegalus | and it will still fall victim to the healthbar click unresponsiveness |
| 07:43.51 | DarkTrooper | well i was thinking more of a toggleable window that you can bind to a key |
| 07:44.18 | DarkTrooper | so not something you set all the time, but you go into an area and go 'yeah i wan tot target people that are in x pos in relation to me' and set it |
| 07:46.01 | Daegalus | still, they need to fix Lua responsiveness to clicking and selecting targets, and also player model clicking. if something is moving, its so frekaing hard to click it to target, |
| 07:46.09 | DarkTrooper | i dunno if any of the WHA guys are still awake, but is there any reason why the UI forum isn't on the dropdown forum list? :) |
| 07:46.24 | thanners | yeah, that's annoying. the targetting. |
| 07:46.26 | DarkTrooper | they need to fix responsiveness to everything period :) |
| 07:46.41 | thanners | Clicking on things in front of you is a bit annoying, too. |
| 07:46.46 | DarkTrooper | it's fine enough for a 'beta' but it'll be the same in release, and that's sub-par imo |
| 07:46.53 | thanners | because of your own character obstructing things |
| 07:47.46 | DarkTrooper | yeah, you know it's bad when you unlock 'Ow My EyE' as a ranged/dps class without trying :) |
| 07:48.24 | thanners | which is that? |
| 07:48.29 | Daegalus | i never have that problem with my toon obstructing anything |
| 07:48.35 | DarkTrooper | clicking on yourself 100 times |
| 07:49.02 | Daegalus | its more other people moving. You click on them as they move, and it doesnt take, so you spam click them trying to get it, and it wont, and as a healer trying to get an emergency heal off, its a pain |
| 07:50.35 | thanners | ah |
| 07:50.47 | JamesFS | Anyone here have any sucess with creating windows in the API yet? |
| 07:51.09 | thanners | creating windows? |
| 07:51.39 | JamesFS | CreateWindow("winName", bool) |
| 07:51.49 | JamesFS | to make a new window |
| 07:51.54 | DarkTrooper | ya every mod basically uses that |
| 07:51.56 | sOLARiZ | or CreateFromTemplate(template) |
| 07:52.02 | DarkTrooper | even mwah got it to work :) |
| 07:52.20 | Daegalus | JamesFS: everything is a window, including buttons and other things |
| 07:53.04 | DarkTrooper | i woudl sugest grabbing Aiiane's mechanic mod, and having a look in that, its a short simple mod that shows withotu confusion what's what |
| 07:53.09 | JamesFS | Yea I know I suppose I'm just missing something. I'll go reverse engineer a mod if I can find one. This is what I get for trying to script after 4 hours of assembly homework |
| 07:53.36 | JamesFS | ok Thanks Dark |
| 07:53.54 | thanners | JamesFS: is it just that nothing's showing up, when you're expecting things to? |
| 07:54.49 | thanners | And are you testing while keeping the debug window up? |
| 07:55.30 | JamesFS | no, error message says cannot create the window. My lua skills aren't exactly up to par so I'm sure it's something easy. I'll have a look at that mod. an example will work wonders ;) and yes to the debug win |
| 07:56.14 | thanners | okey dokey. (c: |
| 07:59.23 | sOLARiZ | isnt the "<File name=" command in the .mod file autopmaticaly executiong the commands in the specified lua file ? For testing purpose because I had problems I just pasted the Hello World example in the claled lua, the Hello Function is present if I call /script HelloWorld() it says hello but if I calll it from within the lua file no ouptput came in the chatbos.... hlp |
| 08:00.01 | thanners | wha |
| 08:00.04 | thanners | oops |
| 08:00.23 | Daegalus | Solariz: no, you do the on initialize section |
| 08:00.39 | Daegalus | file name is just for loading those files |
| 08:00.46 | Daegalus | and speicfing which files are part of your mod |
| 08:01.00 | sOLARiZ | yes is specified one b ut it didn't run it... hmm have to debug line by line i guess |
| 08:01.10 | Daegalus | no wait, there is more |
| 08:01.15 | sOLARiZ | is there any way for a detailed debug of the lua line parser ? |
| 08:01.41 | Daegalus | doing <file |
| 08:01.44 | Daegalus | just loads it into memory |
| 08:01.46 | Daegalus | it doesnt read it |
| 08:01.51 | Daegalus | <OnInitialize> |
| 08:01.53 | Daegalus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.55 | Daegalus | </OnInitialize> |
| 08:01.57 | Daegalus | thats what calls the function |
| 08:01.58 | Daegalus | on startup |
| 08:02.39 | Daegalus | and you download LUA from the official site, to get the compiler, get SCITE or go into command line and do luac XXXXX.lua |
| 08:02.47 | Daegalus | and it will try to compile and find syntax errors |
| 08:03.18 | sOLARiZ | the normal lua compiler didn't thorw me an error so this I already tested ;p |
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| 08:04.04 | Unremarkable | Has anyone seen any exhaustive testing of the Cultivation system? |
| 08:04.06 | Daegalus | then syntax wise ther eis nothing wrong |
| 08:04.24 | Daegalus | ingame debugger will only throw na error if there is something wrong with your calls and such related to the game |
| 08:05.24 | Daegalus | cause if there is a syntax error, it wont even load |
| 08:05.35 | Daegalus | so make sur eyou have your .mod file propelry setup |
| 08:07.15 | sOLARiZ | it is very strange I don't get it to the output. Here my LUA: http://waruidev.pastey.net/95828 and my MOD: http://waruidev.pastey.net/95829 |
| 08:08.20 | sOLARiZ | So i've got other mod of mine already running onlky this is blocking to run... I don't get it. |
| 08:08.54 | sOLARiZ | Manualy call of /script HelloWorld() |
| 08:08.56 | sOLARiZ | will do |
| 08:09.34 | Daegalus | its <CallFunction name="HellowWorld.HelloWorld" /> |
| 08:10.17 | Daegalus | also make sure you have HelloWorld = {} at the top of your . lua file |
| 08:10.17 | sOLARiZ | ah ok it builds an object of the called LLua file ? |
| 08:10.19 | Daegalus | and |
| 08:11.00 | Daegalus | then all public functions need function HelloWorld. infront |
| 08:11.09 | Daegalus | so function HelloWorld.HelloWorld() |
| 08:11.22 | Daegalus | you create an empty object |
| 08:11.33 | Daegalus | and then set your functions as functions of that object |
| 08:11.41 | Daegalus | anything without the Object name infront of it |
| 08:11.50 | Daegalus | will only be internal and used for private callss |
| 08:11.52 | Daegalus | calls |
| 08:12.31 | Unremarkable | Err |
| 08:12.47 | Unremarkable | I don't think that is the problem. |
| 08:13.00 | sOLARiZ | I already tried this, as i said I had some other mods already running so even if it do like this it won't run |
| 08:13.10 | Unremarkable | Also, don't you need to note EA_ChatWindow as a dependancy? |
| 08:13.43 | Daegalus | no, i use chatwindow printing |
| 08:13.45 | Daegalus | wihtout the dependency |
| 08:14.53 | Aiiane | ckknight: ping |
| 08:14.57 | Unremarkable | Do your other mods depend on anything, though? Some of their dependancies might depend on EA_ChatWindow. |
| 08:15.16 | Aiiane | LibSlash does. If you use LibSlash, you don't need to dep the chatwindow. |
| 08:15.17 | Unremarkable | I really don't think you can use ChatWindow.Print without including EA_ChatWindow. |
| 08:15.28 | sOLARiZ | This also do not run: http://waruidev.pastey.net/95830 http://waruidev.pastey.net/95831 |
| 08:15.35 | Daegalus | oh ya, forgot, i do use Libslash |
| 08:15.38 | Unremarkable | Aiiane: Right - He does not have any dependacies, though. |
| 08:15.41 | sOLARiZ | I try the Chatwindow dependency ;p |
| 08:16.29 | sOLARiZ | yes that's it |
| 08:16.45 | sOLARiZ | preserved my to drive crazy ;) thanks |
| 08:16.55 | Unremarkable | np. |
| 08:17.16 | sOLARiZ | <Dependency name="EA_ChatWindow" /> solved the whole prob. In my other mods I also used libslash which include this dep already so I didn't need to respicify it again |
| 08:17.30 | Unremarkable | So does anyone know, in depth, how the Cultivating system works? |
| 08:17.44 | sOLARiZ | Thanks Unremarkable and thanks Daegalus |
| 08:17.50 | Unremarkable | np sOLARiZ |
| 08:17.51 | Daegalus | np. |
| 08:18.03 | Daegalus | cultivatin LUA wise or just using it ingame? |
| 08:19.46 | Unremarkable | In game. I' |
| 08:20.11 | Unremarkable | I've got the LUA part pretty much down, I'm just trying to figure out the most ideal interface into it. |
| 08:20.28 | Unremarkable | But nobody seems to have run the numbers, yet. |
| 08:21.38 | Daegalus | well you have soil, and a seed |
| 08:21.42 | Daegalus | you put them in and start |
| 08:21.47 | Daegalus | wait |
| 08:22.09 | sOLARiZ | just another question, didn't worked with d() sofar. How can I see the messages I throw with d("Message") ? |
| 08:22.11 | Unremarkable | Yeah, I know. I'm at 128 Cultivating. I've grown a seed or two. |
| 08:22.19 | Daegalus | then what are you asking? |
| 08:22.24 | sOLARiZ | the /debug window didn show anything |
| 08:22.37 | Unremarkable | How soil/water/nutrients affect the outcome. Like, numerically. |
| 08:22.39 | Daegalus | umm it should show up in the /debug iwindow |
| 08:23.03 | Daegalus | no one knows. its kinda randomish |
| 08:23.11 | sOLARiZ | ah ok |
| 08:23.22 | Unremarkable | Hmm.. |
| 08:23.28 | Unremarkable | Guess I start data mining, then. -_- |
| 08:23.29 | Daegalus | sol: the second one was for Unremarkable |
| 08:23.39 | Daegalus | Unremakrable: i dont think you cna datamine that |
| 08:23.44 | Unremarkable | Sure you can. |
| 08:23.45 | Daegalus | i think its internal with C or something |
| 08:23.59 | sOLARiZ | ok, cause I tried as d({msg}) and d("sdfsdf") both not show up. I will play around abit |
| 08:24.14 | Daegalus | why the {} Solariz |
| 08:25.01 | sOLARiZ | seems it expecting a table : http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:D |
| 08:25.22 | Daegalus | Unremarkable: if you want start with the craftingBonuses in every profession item. Do d(GetInventoryItemData()) and it will show you the item info in every item slot |
| 08:25.35 | Daegalus | Solariz: D accepts a lot of things |
| 08:25.40 | Daegalus | its the same as debug() |
| 08:26.37 | Daegalus | d(msg) - Variable, d("laadida") - string, d(L"Ladidia") - wstring, d(function()), function that returns a table. d(table) - a table |
| 08:26.45 | Unremarkable | Is there any way to write to a file? |
| 08:27.03 | Unremarkable | I mean, other than writing to a variable then saving it? |
| 08:27.23 | sOLARiZ | I don't think so |
| 08:27.36 | Daegalus | Unremarkable: i dunno, dont think so, only saved variable. you can always save the getitemdatainfo into a saved variable and it will show up as text in teh file in your settings folder |
| 08:30.12 | sOLARiZ | I guess it's something with my client even if I use Ig Chatcommand "/script d("Hello i am a debug Message") " it doesnt show in the debug window... grmop |
| 08:30.29 | Daegalus | if you want solariz |
| 08:30.36 | Daegalus | go into the optionsin the debug window |
| 08:30.38 | Daegalus | and turn them all on |
| 08:30.44 | sOLARiZ | they are all on |
| 08:32.00 | Daegalus | i just did it, it works. I have the first 4 on, hten then 5 and 6 off. then the last 3 on |
| 08:32.09 | Daegalus | also you cna try reloading your UI |
| 08:32.14 | Daegalus | might be a bug |
| 08:32.17 | sOLARiZ | already done ;p |
| 08:32.27 | Daegalus | restart the client? |
| 08:32.41 | Daegalus | make sure logging is on? |
| 08:33.04 | sOLARiZ | logging ? |
| 08:33.17 | Unremarkable | The button should read: Logs {On} |
| 08:33.22 | Unremarkable | On the Debugging window |
| 08:33.36 | sOLARiZ | yeah its on ... hmm i restart the client |
| 08:35.28 | sOLARiZ | ... it works |
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| 08:36.58 | Daegalus | haha, happens, when you have buggy addons, it can mess things up, i know i fucked up a few things while making mine, |
| 08:37.13 | Aiiane | @project war/cleanunitframes - version 0.7-beta is now built |
| 08:37.15 | Repo | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/cleanunitframes/. CleanUnitFrames. Game: WAR. Leader: Aiiane. Updated: 5 minutes ago. Tickets: 4/12 |
| 08:39.10 | Daegalus | to test, or not to test, that is the question! |
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| 08:47.58 | DarkTrooper | what's different? |
| 08:50.18 | Repo | libslash: 03aiiane * r19 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 08:50.18 | Repo | BugFix - forced LibSlash to only check for slash commands at the start of chat entry, and not in the middle of chat. |
| 08:51.04 | Repo | libslash: 03aiiane 04v1.5-release * r20 : |
| 08:51.04 | Repo | (Tagging as v1.5-release) BugFix - forced LibSlash to only check for slash commands at the start of chat entry, and not in the middle of chat. |
| 08:54.30 | Aiiane1 | DarkTrooper: see http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1436508&postcount=171 |
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| 09:05.22 | Aiiane | hmm... that's sort of funny |
| 09:05.36 | Aiiane | AutoLoot has actually passed SCT for downloads in the past 24 hours |
| 09:05.37 | Aiiane | go figure |
| 09:09.09 | Daegalus | LOL |
| 09:09.17 | Daegalus | cause its a basic feature that people want |
| 09:09.29 | Daegalus | damn, servers down for 3 hours |
| 09:09.34 | Daegalus | must be getting |
| 09:09.41 | Daegalus | it ready for 4.2 |
| 09:13.21 | Aiiane | im just curious why it passed it *today* |
| 09:15.06 | Daegalus | i dunno, ass surge of people finding out. ZOMG ADDONS! |
| 09:15.50 | Aiiane | mebbe |
| 09:21.19 | potato | hey |
| 09:21.25 | potato | would someone mind helping me? :P |
| 09:22.18 | Daegalus | just ask and if someone knows, they will answer |
| 09:24.22 | potato | I'm trying to get text printed to the chat window if your HP is less than 1000 |
| 09:24.31 | potato | I have the event registered |
| 09:24.43 | potato | that points to a function: |
| 09:24.46 | potato | if GameData.Plyaer.hitPoints.current > 1000 then |
| 09:24.53 | potato | Chatwindow.Print(towstring("blah blah")) |
| 09:24.53 | potato | end |
| 09:24.58 | potato | though it doesn't seem to work :> |
| 09:25.09 | Daegalus | do you have the EA_ChatWindow dependency in your .mod file? |
| 09:25.11 | Aiiane | well, Player is spelled as such |
| 09:25.20 | Aiiane | and ChatWindow needs to have the W capitalized |
| 09:25.37 | Aiiane | and > means "greater than", you might want "less than" which is < |
| 09:25.54 | potato | oh I see :D |
| 09:26.08 | potato | I shouldn't code a 5am :D |
| 09:26.14 | potato | thank you very much |
| 09:26.17 | bets | lol |
| 09:26.19 | Aiiane | however, if you're running this function on every player health update |
| 09:26.27 | Aiiane | it's going to spam you a LOT when you get below 1000 |
| 09:26.33 | potato | yes, it was more of a test |
| 09:26.37 | Aiiane | k |
| 09:26.57 | potato | thanks again |
| 09:27.35 | bets | potato, don't worry it happens to everyone, i spent probably 20 minutes looking over the code of something i was working on last night in notepad++, i couldn't figure out why it suddently wasn't working, i had deleted a ')' accidently that was following another ')' |
| 09:28.02 | bets | -t |
| 09:29.03 | Aiiane | the /debug window is your friend |
| 09:29.20 | Daegalus | and so is luac |
| 09:29.22 | Aiiane | as is luac -p |
| 09:30.19 | bets | yea i soon figured that out, i figured out a lot of stuff hehe, never really created addons before.. mess with a lot of different languages and such though |
| 09:30.29 | potato | bets: haha |
| 09:30.41 | potato | same here :) |
| 09:31.06 | thanners | bets: it's just the Lua compiler |
| 09:32.07 | Daegalus | lua.org i thik |
| 09:32.09 | Daegalus | think |
| 09:32.26 | bets | i have to say I can see why they use the lua and such for addons, it's pretty easy and powerful (if they let it be) |
| 09:33.03 | Daegalus | i wish they spent some more time on UI responsiveness when it comes to targetting. |
| 09:33.13 | thanners | it's not bad. big python fan, myself, but I appreciate lua. (c: |
| 09:36.24 | Daegalus | apparently according to a poster on WHA, the Order tank choices are: A midget or a fairy. |
| 09:37.03 | thanners | bah. dwarfs are awesome. :P |
| 09:41.11 | DarkTrooper | has anyone seen what happens to the war client if you overflow a variable? :) |
| 09:41.44 | Daegalus | no, what? |
| 09:41.59 | DarkTrooper | i dunno, i'm wondering, that's why i'm asking :) |
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| 09:44.32 | Daegalus | DPS now = Dwarfs per second. |
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| 09:46.08 | Aiiane | DarkTrooper: overflow how? |
| 09:47.24 | Aiiane | lua's number format isn't fixed size |
| 09:47.39 | Aiiane | if you go beyond what it can store as an integer value, it just starts storing it as a float |
| 09:48.04 | Aiiane | if you go beyond what you can store as a floating-point value (which you won't, because that's a *lot*), it'll just tell you that it's #INF. |
| 09:49.05 | Aiiane | string lengths are only limited by whatever stack size was allocated for the lua processor |
| 09:49.24 | Aiiane | so unless you're messing with strings of over a few million characters, you probably won't overflow string lengths |
| 09:49.47 | Aiiane | and if you did, you'd just get the lua processor terminating processing since it went over memory limitis |
| 09:49.52 | Aiiane | *limits |
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| 10:10.22 | Daegalus | night all. I shoul dof gone to bed like an hour ago |
| 10:18.43 | DarkTrooper | oh right, i didn't know that about lua |
| 10:23.11 | DarkTrooper | they seem to like the 5am EDT timeslot for server downtime, i hope that doesn't continue in release |
| 10:30.17 | DarkTrooper | well 31 meg patch, ~13.5 of that is art, 1.2 meg audio, 4 meg 'data', 4 meg UI update - that's massive! |
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| 11:07.47 | Belatuca1ros | I sort of prefer 5am to their usual for daoc (mid-day), but this is all small patches anyway |
| 11:09.56 | thanners|afk | DarkTrooper's just annoyed coz it's like.. 7pm(6? 8?) for him. (c: |
| 11:10.47 | DarkTrooper | i have no problem with the US servers doing their thing at their 5am, but i'll be mad at mythic to give us our own servers, then screw us like bliz does anyway, when there's no need for it |
| 11:11.06 | Belatuca1ros | ah you mean on the oceanic servers or w/e? |
| 11:11.14 | DarkTrooper | yeah |
| 11:11.25 | DarkTrooper | in beta they come down/update at the same time, which is fine |
| 11:11.26 | thanners | aye, DarkTrooper. |
| 11:11.29 | DarkTrooper | but in release, i hope it's different |
| 11:11.36 | Belatuca1ros | I don't imagine it would be the same time |
| 11:11.38 | thanners | Although for patches I expect they'd need to make them the same time, though |
| 11:11.47 | DarkTrooper | US players wouldn't roll on our servers anyway i don't think, they wouldn't stand the latency |
| 11:11.57 | thanners | I've been playing on a US test server. |
| 11:12.16 | thanners | mainly just because I want to see how it plays with latency. Isn't tooo bad, so when I play on an oceanic server at release.. |
| 11:12.20 | thanners | it'l be Great. :P |
| 11:12.31 | DarkTrooper | i mean in wow us players used to whinge when they got over 100ms, and they'll be getting 200-250+ on our servers in war |
| 11:12.49 | thanners | aye, I often remember hearing people say that. |
| 11:13.05 | thanners | and me and my friends would just sit silently, happy with our 400ms. |
| 11:13.14 | DarkTrooper | also, they do it at 5am US time as that's when not many people are playing anyway, so unless they plan on the 8hour maints, i don't see why we can't have a different time |
| 11:13.16 | thanners | (or not so silently.. some of my friends like to bitch) |
| 11:13.43 | thanners | mmm |
| 11:13.50 | DarkTrooper | heh yeah, us aussies are used to getting screweed by every company, domestic and foreign :) |
| 11:13.57 | thanners | the onupdate event.. |
| 11:14.19 | thanners | the parameter it supplies.. what is that measured in? |
| 11:14.54 | DarkTrooper | err which event? |
| 11:15.45 | thanners | sorry, not event. |
| 11:16.03 | thanners | i meant the OnUpdate handler thingy. |
| 11:16.29 | DarkTrooper | no idea, heh |
| 11:16.31 | thanners | it passes seconds elapsed, apparently. |
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| 11:33.17 | Aiiane | @project war/clock - enjoy |
| 11:33.18 | Repo | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/clock/. Clock. Game: WAR. Leader: Aiiane. Updated: 82 seconds ago |
| 11:33.36 | DarkTrooper | eh? how? |
| 11:33.42 | Aiiane | Magic. :P |
| 11:33.46 | Aiiane | (Or check the source code) |
| 11:34.25 | DarkTrooper | doesn't show up in CC |
| 11:34.45 | Aiiane | it's not synced to curse yet, silly |
| 11:34.52 | Aiiane | was only built like 2 minutes ago |
| 11:34.54 | DarkTrooper | oh, haha, of course :) |
| 11:35.04 | DarkTrooper | it's late >.> |
| 11:35.40 | Aiiane | you can always download the zip by hand from curseforge ;) |
| 11:36.03 | DarkTrooper | now you're asking a tad much hmm? :) |
| 11:37.52 | DarkTrooper | you need to write a sct imo |
| 11:37.54 | thanners | Aiiane: heheh, clever. :P |
| 11:38.05 | DarkTrooper | the one availiable is silly >< |
| 11:38.34 | Aiiane | hey, im already busy trying to write a set of unit frames :X |
| 11:38.42 | Aiiane | not to mention all this little random request stuff |
| 11:39.00 | DarkTrooper | pfft, this random request stuff is copy/pasted from your unit frame code :) |
| 11:39.17 | DarkTrooper | i've seen the little request things and even *I* could have wrote them :) |
| 11:39.29 | Aiiane | they're not actually copypasted from the unitframes |
| 11:39.53 | Aiiane | a lot of the small ones are copy pasted from *each other*, but the original small one (gcdisplay) I wrote by hand |
| 11:41.40 | thanners | mmm. well, i blatantly used gcdisplay |
| 11:42.15 | thanners | to make a little gcd.. um. pulse thing. |
| 11:42.19 | DarkTrooper | does this add chat timestamps? |
| 11:42.21 | thanners | quartzish |
| 11:42.53 | thanners | so. i'm eternally grateful for other peoples' work to build off. :P |
| 11:43.17 | Aiiane | DarkTrooper: hm? |
| 11:43.27 | DarkTrooper | i'm confused, what's updating to trigger it? |
| 11:43.33 | Aiiane | OnUpdate? |
| 11:43.35 | DarkTrooper | it seriously looks like voodoo :) |
| 11:43.59 | Aiiane | well, in one sense, it is voodoo |
| 11:44.01 | Aiiane | or at least, a hack |
| 11:44.15 | DarkTrooper | i thought onupdate only fires, if something that's registered to that part is updated? |
| 11:44.18 | Aiiane | in the "I really shouldn't have to do it this way, but I have no better alternatives" sense |
| 11:44.21 | Aiiane | no |
| 11:44.27 | Aiiane | onupdate fires every frame |
| 11:44.30 | Aiiane | of rendering |
| 11:44.33 | DarkTrooper | oh |
| 11:47.02 | ckknight | Aiiane: pong |
| 11:47.50 | Aiiane | ckknight: at least one of the debug XML substitutions isn't working properly |
| 11:48.25 | DarkTrooper | lol i sware you copy/pasted that xml file from another one you have and just updated some tags/sizes :0 |
| 11:50.58 | Aiiane | ckknight: http://waruidev.pastey.net/95835 |
| 11:51.54 | DarkTrooper | heh, it borks the comments |
| 11:52.15 | Aiiane | well, it's supposed to bork them |
| 11:52.20 | Aiiane | but it's supposed to bork them properly |
| 11:52.23 | Aiiane | and it's not |
| 11:52.27 | DarkTrooper | oh |
| 11:53.12 | DarkTrooper | the date it puts on there, is that UT? |
| 11:53.51 | Aiiane | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/pages/repository-keyword-substitutions/ |
| 11:54.05 | Aiiane | but yes, UTC |
| 12:01.21 | Aiiane | also ckknight, do you know offhand why the curse sync is taking soooooooooooo loooooooooooong o.o |
| 12:01.41 | ckknight | I'll look into that |
| 12:01.45 | ckknight | and I can check on the sync |
| 12:02.44 | DarkTrooper | ya, i expect to be able to install a mod with the CC within minutes after it's been anouned by Repo ^^ |
| 12:03.12 | ckknight | (1) you gotta wait until :00, :20, or :40 for the packager |
| 12:03.43 | Aiiane | its already packaged? >.> |
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| 12:04.08 | Aiiane | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/clock/ |
| 12:04.32 | Aiiane | finally synced :x |
| 12:04.52 | sOLARiZ | Is there any way to execute a content of a var ? e.g. I have MyVar = "print(\"test\")" can I somehow get the Lua to call the content of MyVar in this case print("test") ? |
| 12:05.16 | ckknight | warhammer doesn't have loadstring |
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| 12:10.57 | DarkTrooper | oh man, another open rvr thread |
| 12:11.19 | DarkTrooper | thsi time the person is whinging that it doesn't use 'core' mechanics |
| 12:11.34 | DarkTrooper | tho he doesn't use the words 'core' just describes all the core stuff :) |
| 12:15.01 | Aiiane | Alright, goodnight all |
| 12:15.12 | Aiiane | (it's "only" 5am.. thank god I don't have class until after noon tomorrow) |
| 12:15.29 | sOLARiZ | :) gn |
| 12:15.40 | thanners | i was wondering if you were nocturnal. |
| 12:15.45 | thanners | 'night. :P |
| 12:15.54 | Aiiane | I am, sort of. |
| 12:15.59 | Aiiane | anywho |
| 12:16.02 | Aiiane | nini~ |
| 12:17.31 | thanners | whew. what a ginormous End User Access and License Agreement. |
| 12:19.06 | thanners | whew, and then a player code of conduct. |
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| 12:21.56 | DarkTrooper | nite Aii |
| 12:22.09 | DarkTrooper | ? |
| 12:22.36 | thanners | they've added a EULA and Player Code of Conduct window to agree to when you start the game |
| 12:23.05 | DarkTrooper | haha, yet the beta agreement still pops up no? :) |
| 12:23.15 | thanners | and that, too |
| 12:23.18 | thanners | but i meant in-game |
| 12:23.55 | thanners | after the splash screens. |
| 12:24.07 | DarkTrooper | wtf? ANOTHER patch? |
| 12:24.13 | thanners | mmm, and they seem to come up again even if you've agreed to them before. |
| 12:24.33 | thanners | i'd've expected they'd only show up the first time you open the game after a new patch. |
| 12:24.43 | thanners | (or whenever the eula/code of conduct changes) |
| 12:24.52 | DarkTrooper | well, the beta comes up every time :) |
| 12:25.00 | DarkTrooper | and you can't skip the intro movie bullshit :) |
| 12:25.03 | thanners | yeah |
| 12:25.09 | thanners | it just makes crashing out even more annoying. :P |
| 12:25.55 | thanners | start patcher again. accept Beta test agreement. wait for patcher. start game. wait for splash screens. scroll through EULA and click checkbox, then click accept. |
| 12:26.07 | thanners | scroll through code of conduct. click checkbox. click accept |
| 12:26.18 | sOLARiZ | Is there a oposite of "RegisterEventHandler" to unrtegister Events ? |
| 12:27.09 | DarkTrooper | UnRegisterEventHandler ? |
| 12:27.25 | sOLARiZ | did this work ? didnt find it in the api :p have to try |
| 12:27.30 | DarkTrooper | ya what i said :) |
| 12:27.40 | DarkTrooper | UnregisterEventHandler() |
| 12:28.01 | DarkTrooper | it's in the full list, but hasn't been documented |
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| 12:30.14 | DarkTrooper | nice sharing of accounts is out |
| 12:30.25 | sOLARiZ | sharing ? |
| 12:30.36 | sOLARiZ | you mean in the license ? |
| 12:30.39 | DarkTrooper | yeah |
| 12:30.48 | sOLARiZ | k |
| 12:31.33 | DarkTrooper | this text could be bigger/use a better font tho, jesus, i almost need to buy some glasses to read it |
| 12:32.14 | DarkTrooper | can only use 1 CC per 5 accounts |
| 12:33.08 | DarkTrooper | rofl, leaving themselves open to charge you to get your password back if you lose it |
| 12:36.15 | DarkTrooper | urg, wtf? they're allowing account transfers |
| 12:37.08 | DarkTrooper | people that thought 'i don't want to group with only pve experienced people, they won't know shit at 40', yet they'll group with someone who just bought the gamme with a 40 character on it hmm? :) |
| 12:39.30 | sOLARiZ | Ha! found a method how to execute without loadstring ;p |
| 12:42.15 | DarkTrooper | so while the curse people probaby arn't on, do you's have permission from mythic for CC? |
| 12:42.38 | DarkTrooper | under the EULA mythic can at any time decree that CC is in violation and terminate accounts |
| 12:54.40 | DarkTrooper | oh wow, you can't have characters on both sides of the same server, even if you have two accounts |
| 12:54.57 | Belatuca1ros | correct |
| 12:55.00 | Belatuca1ros | crossrealming etc |
| 12:55.06 | DarkTrooper | that sounds a little harsh imo |
| 12:55.11 | Belatuca1ros | nah |
| 12:55.13 | Belatuca1ros | pick a side |
| 12:56.40 | DarkTrooper | as long as you arn't 'spying' or harassing anyone, both which are actionable, i don't see why you should be restricted to only one side if you have multiple accounts |
| 12:56.59 | DarkTrooper | the way to change server atm is clunky and troublesome |
| 12:57.01 | Belatuca1ros | and how do you prove you aren't spying? and what's the point of having two realms on one server? |
| 12:57.23 | Belatuca1ros | maybe I'm just too used to DAOC (full log out), but log out -> servers doesn't seem bad ;\ |
| 12:57.24 | DarkTrooper | in wow, alot of people played both factions |
| 12:57.39 | Belatuca1ros | WOW was far from a faction vs faction game, in my mind |
| 12:58.14 | DarkTrooper | true, but while prohibited to use vent to spy, there's no way they can prove that |
| 12:58.29 | DarkTrooper | so why restrict it at all |
| 12:58.32 | Belatuca1ros | right, but they can prove you are using two accounts |
| 12:58.46 | Belatuca1ros | and in-game /who and etc data is a lot easier to gather than being on someone's vent |
| 12:58.56 | DarkTrooper | i just don't see the big deal, maybe i'm missing something |
| 12:59.07 | Belatuca1ros | spying is bad etc |
| 12:59.15 | DarkTrooper | i get spying is bad |
| 12:59.16 | Belatuca1ros | if you don't set precedent, you get owned for it |
| 12:59.23 | DarkTrooper | but how is playing both sides bad? |
| 12:59.30 | Belatuca1ros | I see absolutely no reason to play both sides on one server. realm pride and all that. |
| 12:59.47 | DarkTrooper | maybe you want to play destro for an hour, then swap to say a SW |
| 12:59.51 | Belatuca1ros | people routinely played all 3 sides in DAOC..on different servers |
| 12:59.56 | thanners | Conflict of interest. :P |
| 13:00.03 | Belatuca1ros | I'm just not used to casual players I guess |
| 13:00.12 | Belatuca1ros | I see no reason why you'd need the SW on the same server |
| 13:00.14 | thanners | If you want, then you could play on a different server |
| 13:00.28 | DarkTrooper | i dunno, pre-crossrealms being able to roll a lvl 1 and chat with the guys you were just up against was great |
| 13:00.42 | Belatuca1ros | clearly you've never worked CS for an mmo |
| 13:00.45 | sOLARiZ | Does the SVN on CF is only activated after the project has approved ? |
| 13:00.48 | Belatuca1ros | harassment gets out of line after 30 seconds |
| 13:01.00 | Belatuca1ros | (the 30 seconds being the time it takes to fully log in to the other realm :P) |
| 13:01.01 | DarkTrooper | but i said 'chat' not 'insult' :) |
| 13:01.14 | Belatuca1ros | yeah, well, tell that to 999999999% of mmo players (no decimal) |
| 13:01.16 | DarkTrooper | i know i'm the minority and don't mouth off after getting owned or owning someone else, but really :) |
| 13:01.22 | Belatuca1ros | Hell, look at teh death threats over the GOA stuff |
| 13:01.41 | DarkTrooper | yeah but look at europe & soccer... they're loonys over there :) |
| 13:01.57 | Belatuca1ros | on DAOC/mordred I had a guy try to tell me he'd kill me IRL if I didn't leave the dungeon I Was in |
| 13:02.00 | Belatuca1ros | comedy |
| 13:02.05 | DarkTrooper | rofl |
| 13:02.22 | Belatuca1ros | it's the absolute last thing any PVP game needs |
| 13:02.31 | DarkTrooper | i dunno, i liek to be able to chat with the people that are steamrolling me, so i get to know they're people :) |
| 13:02.31 | Belatuca1ros | you want to kudos or flame people, that's what VNBoards is for ;\ |
| 13:02.42 | Belatuca1ros | IRC is also a big one |
| 13:02.47 | thanners | aye. |
| 13:02.47 | Belatuca1ros | that way you talk in a non-game environment |
| 13:02.55 | Belatuca1ros | everyone chills out etc |
| 13:03.02 | DarkTrooper | fair enough, i guess there's other mediums |
| 13:03.46 | DarkTrooper | maybe it's just me, but when people steamroll me over and over again, you dehumanise them, and actually start to hate them, and i think that's just bad for play, the game and the community at large |
| 13:04.10 | Belatuca1ros | you really should have played DAOC. hueg flame wars of course, but PLENTY of respect in the high end 8vs8 circle |
| 13:04.23 | Belatuca1ros | everyone knew everyone. I used to get PMs on VN if I changed my chestpiece dye :P |
| 13:04.27 | Belatuca1ros | "oh trying to hide eh?" |
| 13:04.29 | DarkTrooper | see, i have no time for flaming or eliteism :) |
| 13:04.47 | Belatuca1ros | casuals just simply...didn't matter in DAOC |
| 13:04.54 | Belatuca1ros | there was the odd low-level thidranki thread or whateve |
| 13:04.59 | Belatuca1ros | for the battlegrounds people |
| 13:05.11 | Belatuca1ros | but for the most part nobody cared about the kiddy pool |
| 13:05.19 | Belatuca1ros | L50 RVR was what all the posting was about |
| 13:05.22 | DarkTrooper | and VN boards are as bad as offical ones really, nothing but trash and smut on there |
| 13:05.38 | Belatuca1ros | nah, that's the general forums |
| 13:05.42 | Belatuca1ros | server boards were usually okay |
| 13:05.50 | Belatuca1ros | like I said, kudos and community drama |
| 13:06.47 | thanners | heh, the "Cinematic" button almost does stuff now. |
| 13:06.49 | Belatuca1ros | worked well for the most part |
| 13:06.51 | Belatuca1ros | haha almost |
| 13:07.14 | DarkTrooper | almost? |
| 13:07.31 | DarkTrooper | you mean you can click on it and it shows the depressed state? :) |
| 13:11.05 | thanners | it pops up a window :P |
| 13:11.17 | thanners | albeit a blank one |
| 13:12.54 | DarkTrooper | haha, if your account get jacked, you're on your own |
| 13:13.04 | DarkTrooper | at least blizz had a better policy on that issue |
| 13:14.27 | Belatuca1ros | ? |
| 13:14.38 | DarkTrooper | hmm, and there's no au support line, boo! |
| 13:15.20 | Belatuca1ros | what's the policy? |
| 13:15.32 | Belatuca1ros | can't imagine how accounts get stolen, but I suppose they do :| |
| 13:15.43 | Belatuca1ros | in DAOC it was always a case of 'I gave my friend my password' heh |
| 13:16.11 | DarkTrooper | bliz's is that security is your problem, but if they can verify you were compromosed, and you reported it, they gave you your stuff back once you secured your PC |
| 13:17.07 | DarkTrooper | and yeah, you can tell from usage patterns, if someone uses say 3 IP's or 3 range of ip's (ie home work school/mates place), and suddently it's off somewhere else, and the customer is still trying to access from their regular ones, it's probably a compromoise :) |
| 13:17.07 | Belatuca1ros | well I don't know what WAR says, but mythic would undelete characters. If items were traded however...bad luck for you |
| 13:17.26 | Belatuca1ros | or a vacation :P |
| 13:17.36 | Belatuca1ros | or giving the password to a friend (common) |
| 13:18.50 | DarkTrooper | well blizz had a very good system of detection (however it was done) most jacked accounts they could verify |
| 13:18.57 | DarkTrooper | they also look at hardware specs etc |
| 13:19.29 | DarkTrooper | wardan collected loads of info, which could be analysed |
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| 13:32.16 | Belatuca1ros | yeah, that's true |
| 13:32.18 | Belatuca1ros | warden is a beast |
| 13:32.34 | DarkTrooper | ironically, i trust warden, dunno why |
| 13:32.44 | DarkTrooper | i DON'T trust PB at all |
| 13:32.45 | hoej | wtb servers online |
| 13:33.08 | DarkTrooper | anyway, zzz time too |
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| 13:49.11 | hoej | Update: We are taking this opportunity to make a few additional improvements. Our new ETA is 12:30 PM EDT. |
| 13:49.16 | hoej | BAHHH |
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| 13:59.12 | ghostfish | WOAH |
| 13:59.22 | hoej | ? |
| 13:59.43 | hoej | 1) wow you actually read that? 2) WOW, you ARE?! |
| 13:59.50 | ghostfish | not items or gold, but accounts are go |
| 14:00.05 | hoej | that's pretty crazy |
| 14:00.11 | ghostfish | it's in there, and I'm reading it cause I'm bored cause the servers aren't up |
| 14:00.44 | hoej | i don't know if that's a good or a bad thing |
| 14:00.58 | hoej | it might prevent a few sweatshops |
| 14:01.07 | hoej | but i wonder what else it might do |
| 14:01.15 | thanners | heh, we were talking about it just a bit ago. the eula, that is. |
| 14:01.27 | ghostfish | meh it's irrelevant I think |
| 14:01.31 | ghostfish | good thing |
| 14:01.35 | hoej | thanners, what do you think about it |
| 14:01.54 | hoej | ghostfish, yea, people are going to sell accounts weather it's allowed or not |
| 14:02.01 | thanners | mm. usual stuff. :P |
| 14:02.23 | Chryzo | finally have access to the OB, yeah :) |
| 14:02.24 | thanners | i was more interested in the fact that the eula comes up ever time the game starts, even when you've accepted it before and the eula hasn't changed. |
| 14:02.31 | Chryzo | ^^ |
| 14:02.37 | thanners | yay Chryzo :P |
| 14:02.54 | hoej | yea i noticed that, i kept starting the game to see if the servers were back on but then i read the herald |
| 14:03.05 | Chryzo | and now i need to delete my addons :) |
| 14:03.14 | hoej | anyone happen to know if it's possible to get the debug window up without being online |
| 14:03.38 | thanners | other interesting point in there was that you're not allowed to multiple chars on the same realm, even if you're using multiple accounts. |
| 14:03.45 | thanners | not that i'm fussed |
| 14:04.04 | hoej | as in multiboxing? |
| 14:04.11 | thanners | oops |
| 14:04.18 | thanners | tired, missed out a critical bit of info there |
| 14:04.43 | thanners | can't play multiple chars on the same server, for opposing realms. |
| 14:05.01 | ghostfish | yay |
| 14:05.11 | Chryzo | this is bad... makes me want to buy the game :( |
| 14:05.11 | ghostfish | you can use G15's as much are you want \o/ |
| 14:05.32 | ghostfish | their criteria for illegal hardware/software is "unattended" |
| 14:05.49 | ghostfish | you need to mash the macro button on the g15 yourself ever time you want to use a macro |
| 14:05.50 | thanners | OMG |
| 14:05.52 | Chryzo | the exit button sux though |
| 14:06.01 | ghostfish | exit button? |
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| 14:06.11 | thanners | they've added a "Click Through Self" option in the User Settings! |
| 14:06.12 | Chryzo | the exit menu item if you prefer |
| 14:06.59 | thanners | surely I wasn't the only person who got annoyed with clicking on myself when trying to pick stuff up in front of me. |
| 14:07.13 | hoej | yea i hate that |
| 14:09.01 | hoej | respawning in scenario now triggers zone load screen instead of scoreboard |
| 14:09.25 | hoej | i hate having to close the scoreboard, i wonder if you have to click to close zone load screen |
| 14:09.40 | thanners | darned servers being down. |
| 14:09.45 | thanners | now i feel even more guilty about not doing my homework. |
| 14:09.50 | hoej | although i already addressed the problem with some lua |
| 14:10.01 | thanners | because it's almost like they're offering me the chance to go do it. |
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| 14:13.50 | Chryzo | mmm raid party open even when not in raid ... stupid thing |
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| 14:21.02 | thanners | huh? |
| 14:21.38 | Chryzo | the raid party UI is always showing |
| 14:25.52 | Chryzo | great... language is dependant on server not on user choice... tsss |
| 14:26.19 | Belatuca1ros | loading screens close when you are done loading...should go away as soon as you are done respawning |
| 14:26.22 | Belatuca1ros | if not, bug it |
| 14:26.31 | Belatuca1ros | as there's no close item on the loading screen, that may end up difficult |
| 14:30.05 | Chryzo | actually, seems like language is a bug hahaha |
| 14:30.11 | Chryzo | got it back to english ^^ |
| 14:40.33 | nicoli_s | what does EDT stand for? |
| 14:40.56 | Chryzo | in french ? |
| 14:41.03 | Chryzo | estimated death time ? |
| 14:41.06 | thanners | Eastern Daylight Time |
| 14:41.26 | nicoli_s | ahhh thx thanners and thx for trying chyzo :P |
| 14:41.39 | Chryzo | lol |
| 14:42.03 | thanners | Chryzo's defintion sounds somewhat more interesting, though. |
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| 15:02.06 | Chryzo_ | war just crashed my system ... |
| 15:02.33 | thanners | nasty. |
| 15:02.47 | thanners | full crash? Hmm. haven't had that happen. |
| 15:02.47 | Chryzo_ | 30 minutes ... |
| 15:02.54 | Chryzo_ | well not full crash |
| 15:03.01 | Chryzo_ | it crashed my graphic driver |
| 15:03.05 | Chryzo_ | and i am not on vista ^^ |
| 15:03.10 | Chryzo_ | so they don't reboot auto ^^ |
| 15:05.11 | Chryzo | 30 minutes to get a crash... |
| 15:05.16 | Chryzo | guess I won't be playing after all ^^ |
| 15:05.25 | Chryzo | gonna free me around 50 GB on the HDD hehe :) |
| 15:09.05 | hoej | should check forums for solution or something |
| 15:13.29 | Belatuca1ros | yeah...full file check, new drivers, etc |
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| 15:19.34 | Chryzo | i don't really care 'bout the game |
| 15:19.45 | Chryzo | if the OB is not working... well why should I try to make it work ? |
| 15:20.02 | Chryzo | I am buying a service and I don't really intend to have to do half the stuff myself |
| 15:20.18 | sOLARiZ | It's a Open _Beta" so calm down |
| 15:20.28 | Chryzo | sOLARiZ: a 6 days open beta :) |
| 15:20.29 | sOLARiZ | more QQ next week ;p |
| 15:20.40 | Chryzo | you really think they gonna be able to patch all the bugs ^^ ? |
| 15:20.45 | sOLARiZ | I'm in the CB since now 6 month and they improved alot |
| 15:20.50 | Chryzo | sOLARiZ: or not :) |
| 15:21.03 | Chryzo | since beta 3, the game has been overly crashee on my system |
| 15:21.08 | Chryzo | before that... 0 crash |
| 15:21.14 | sOLARiZ | If you want to blam go to the forums this is definitly the wrong place to do |
| 15:21.18 | Chryzo | except when i was making it crash though addons |
| 15:21.28 | Chryzo | just answering hoej :) |
| 15:21.46 | sOLARiZ | qq ;p |
| 15:21.48 | Chryzo | and it is not like the EU forums are listned too ^^ |
| 15:22.03 | sOLARiZ | listned ? |
| 15:22.18 | Chryzo | listened |
| 15:22.53 | sOLARiZ | :p |
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| 15:32.46 | hoej | i feel like i just listened to kane west say "george bush doesn't care about black people", except not kane west, and not george bush, and not black people |
| 15:34.16 | hoej | yea, i'm no comedian |
| 15:34.45 | Tsolval | no worries, i'm no critic :) |
| 15:36.31 | Belatuca1ros | hah |
| 15:36.45 | Belatuca1ros | Meh, I don't think driver updates is bending over backwards |
| 15:37.00 | Belatuca1ros | it's liek if you bought a car but your driveway was too small and you had to cut down a bush or something |
| 15:39.37 | sOLARiZ | bbl |
| 15:39.38 | Chryzo | my drivers are up to date :) |
| 15:44.48 | hoej | what kind of car is it? like a bradley tank? |
| 16:00.15 | nicoli_s | kanye west sucks |
| 16:00.30 | nicoli_s | he talks in all caps on the internet, which is the worst thing imaginable |
| 16:00.37 | hoej | yes, he does, not a very smart one either |
| 16:01.39 | hoej | i just said that because i felt like Chryzo was saying mythic hates europians |
| 16:01.53 | hoej | *europeans |
| 16:03.55 | Chryzo | nah, am saying all companies don't care 'bout the european market ^^ |
| 16:04.43 | Chryzo | not like the French section of GOA was usefull to the testers ^^ |
| 16:05.05 | Chryzo | we had better information coming from testers that had also access ot the US beta than from GOA french section ^^ |
| 16:08.10 | Chryzo | anyway, i can bitch all i want, it won't change a thing ^^ |
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| 16:17.57 | Tsolval | True, Chryzo, bitching wont change anything. But a well worded argument full of logical reasoning and properly directed emotion directed to the right people has been known to work miracles. |
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| 16:19.26 | Chryzo | Tsolval: won't change anything in this case either :) |
| 16:19.45 | Tsolval | probably right :) |
| 16:19.54 | Chryzo | however they won't get my money :) |
| 16:22.41 | netcurse | how is everyone |
| 16:22.55 | hoej | bitter |
| 16:23.01 | hoej | disgruntled |
| 16:23.11 | nicoli_s | ready forthe servers to come back up, got work to do |
| 16:23.36 | hoej | i still haven't picked what class i want to play at launch :( |
| 16:23.57 | Tsolval | have you narrowed it down any |
| 16:23.58 | Tsolval | ? |
| 16:24.19 | hoej | sort of, i played sorcerer and i think i decided that it is too squishy for my taste |
| 16:24.33 | hoej | i played shadow warrior, that was cool class |
| 16:24.57 | hoej | i like playing a healer but with no click/casting i don't know o.0 |
| 16:25.26 | hoej | squig didn't seem to do enough dps! |
| 16:25.53 | hoej | made a witch hunter but haven't got to play it really yet, gonna do that when the servers come back on |
| 16:26.42 | Tsolval | so... you haven't even decided good or evil yet? |
| 16:26.49 | hoej | yea lol |
| 16:27.00 | ckknight | woo, evil! |
| 16:27.20 | ckknight | our office here in Huntsville have decided on Destruction |
| 16:27.31 | ckknight | we're all gonna play together for at least a little while |
| 16:27.38 | Tsolval | that's awesome |
| 16:28.13 | ckknight | yea, should be sweet |
| 16:28.17 | ckknight | but then I'll be like |
| 16:28.18 | ckknight | bah |
| 16:28.18 | nicoli_s | sweet, what server ck, and why wasn't i told :( |
| 16:28.23 | ckknight | this sucks, gotta fix this UI issue |
| 16:28.44 | hoej | ckknight, your office? oh are you with mythic? |
| 16:28.45 | ckknight | nicoli_s: not 100% sure on the details. I'm sure a posting will go out on/by release day |
| 16:28.53 | ckknight | hoej: nah, Curse.com |
| 16:28.59 | hoej | ahh |
| 16:29.06 | hoej | coolcool |
| 16:29.29 | Chryzo | so, lets retest after a nice reboot, updated all drivers, motherboards included, raid included and so on ... tsss |
| 16:29.43 | ckknight | should be pretty sweet, gonna kick some Order ass |
| 16:29.48 | ckknight | woo |
| 16:30.07 | ckknight | lousy dwarves, up in my shit |
| 16:30.09 | ckknight | pssh |
| 16:30.24 | Tsolval | nothing wrong with dwarves... they make good foot-stools. |
| 16:30.53 | ckknight | hehe |
| 16:31.01 | ckknight | what class you all play? |
| 16:31.08 | nicoli_s | i'll probably do magus |
| 16:31.12 | ckknight | I'm thinking I'm gonna either be a Chosen or a Black Orc |
| 16:31.17 | ckknight | I like tough dudes |
| 16:32.16 | ckknight | I haven't really played the game yet, for real |
| 16:32.20 | ckknight | just messed with various UI stuff |
| 16:32.23 | ckknight | never got a key of my own |
| 16:33.25 | Tsolval | Bah, I don't even have the game yet. Gonna get it soon, though. This weekend, probably. |
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| 16:34.16 | hoej | bleh, i need a new computer if i'm going to seriously play it |
| 16:34.24 | ckknight | I'm gonna wait until it actually releases |
| 16:34.35 | ckknight | I think my video card is gonna be my bottleneck |
| 16:34.45 | thanners | Chryzo: crash again? |
| 16:34.59 | hoej | i was rvring the other day and there was probably 20 order on my screen and my poor p4 was crying |
| 16:35.02 | Chryzo | no, that was a reboot for my motherboards chipset and raid controller driver update |
| 16:35.25 | ckknight | I have 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4 GiB SDRAM, but only a GeForce 8600M GT 128 MiB |
| 16:35.29 | thanners | ah okay. just saw you saying "lets retest" and vanished. :P |
| 16:35.47 | Chryzo | :) |
| 16:35.59 | Chryzo | now, the game is launching :) |
| 16:36.23 | hoej | servers appear to be up |
| 16:36.25 | thanners | whoo, US servers appear to be coming up |
| 16:37.01 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 16:41.09 | Belatuca1ros | wee |
| 16:41.39 | thanners | ahhh click through self option is gooood. |
| 16:43.50 | Chryzo | i am still alive :) |
| 16:44.21 | thanners | *keeps fingers crossed for you* :P |
| 16:47.18 | Unremarkable | ckknight: /me plays on a 2.4 Athalon with 512 DDR1 and a GeForce 6800 128 MB |
| 16:48.27 | nicoli_s | has there always been cinematic intros once yer in game? |
| 16:49.59 | ckknight | Unremarkable: how is it? |
| 16:50.48 | Unremarkable | Surprisingly good. |
| 16:50.59 | Unremarkable | Not great, and it choaks in similar situations |
| 16:51.15 | Unremarkable | But still, all things considered, its pretty good. |
| 16:53.07 | thanners | nicoli_s: cinematic intros? |
| 16:53.21 | nicoli_s | yah like the camera all moves around like at the start of wow |
| 16:53.40 | hoej | ugh |
| 16:53.48 | hoej | disconnected twice |
| 16:53.55 | thanners | oh. uhh |
| 16:54.01 | hoej | 2nd time while filling out bug report : / |
| 16:54.04 | thanners | don't remember. :P |
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| 16:55.47 | Belatuca1ros | think that's new in 4.1.1, nicoli |
| 16:56.04 | nicoli_s | can anyone confirm you get talisman making fragments from salvaging stuff? |
| 16:56.43 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn 07v1.0.2 * v1.0.2 / (3 files in 2 directories): (12 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 8 lines) |
| 16:56.44 | Repo | clean up some options, scale value increased to 2.0 |
| 16:56.46 | thanners | *thunk* . looks like all the servers fell over. or just me? |
| 16:56.50 | Repo | fixing some typos |
| 16:56.56 | Repo | added a bunch of new options |
| 16:57.02 | Repo | zbb: 03adalyn * v1.0.2 core/core.lua: clean up some options, scale value increased to 2.0 |
| 16:57.08 | Repo | yay new skins for 1.0 |
| 16:57.12 | hoej | thanners :( |
| 16:57.32 | thanners | oh well, at least i got some quick testing done |
| 16:57.35 | `Zypher | wow people want stupid zbb to do target too :S |
| 16:59.53 | nicoli_s | damn servers were up for all of what, 15 minutes? |
| 17:00.24 | hoej | The servers will be coming down very shortly for immediate maintenance to allow us to investigate a potential problem and apply any needed corrections. We thank you for your patience as we work to improve your playing experience. |
| 17:05.55 | Belatuca1ros | ty |
| 17:06.16 | `Zypher | Belatuca1ros: wtb mythic people giving moar info! |
| 17:07.50 | `Zypher | was there a patch |
| 17:07.51 | `Zypher | ? |
| 17:08.39 | Belatuca1ros | 4.1.1 ? |
| 17:08.56 | `Zypher | 31mb |
| 17:09.00 | `Zypher | thats all. |
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| 17:13.58 | `Zypher | are there no servers up? |
| 17:14.30 | Tsolval | apparently not. |
| 17:15.08 | sOLARiZ | ÈÙ servers`àre`up |
| 17:15.36 | sOLARiZ | but`Ì`don't`think`this`will`help`you`much`,p |
| 17:16.18 | `Zypher | sOLARiZ: lol |
| 17:16.23 | `Zypher | sOLARiZ: have you used zbb? |
| 17:17.01 | sOLARiZ | not`yet`càn`test`it`làter |
| 17:17.38 | sOLARiZ | btw.`Ì`commited`my`own`first`wàr`àddon`,9 |
| 17:18.32 | Chryzo | when you jump in water you die ... |
| 17:18.39 | ckknight | sOLARiZ: why are you doing that? |
| 17:18.56 | sOLARiZ | ckhnight:`whàt`? |
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| 17:19.07 | ckknight | sOLARiZ: the ` stuff |
| 17:19.10 | nicoli_s | you forgot to buy the swimming skill chryzo |
| 17:19.22 | Belatuca1ros | yeah there's fall damage in water |
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| 17:19.51 | `Zypher | Belatuca1ros: which shouldn't be as much as it is |
| 17:19.53 | sOLARiZ | '`stuff`? |
| 17:20.01 | `Zypher | they should dampen the fall damage when you hit water. |
| 17:20.28 | sOLARiZ | àh`fuck`Ì`see...`its`the`Ùtf Ìrc client`,p`sec |
| 17:20.30 | `Zypher | Shirik: are you one of those cats that did Conspiracy UI? |
| 17:20.39 | sOLARiZ | hàve`to`relog`Ì`guess```brb |
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| 17:20.59 | `Zypher | wb |
| 17:21.23 | sOLARiZ | Better now ? |
| 17:21.46 | Tsolval | much |
| 17:24.28 | tronned | what's going on meow? |
| 17:25.33 | `Zypher | tronned: I'm having your babies. |
| 17:28.42 | Belatuca1ros | o.O |
| 17:32.54 | tronned | i have kids already, no moar prz. |
| 17:34.20 | Belatuca1ros | Aiiane: zomg I replied on a WHA UI thread |
| 17:34.21 | Belatuca1ros | end of days |
| 17:34.34 | tronned | don't do it, Bela |
| 17:34.43 | tronned | it will destroy you |
| 17:36.52 | TieDyedGuy | Bela: You replied to my comment. (I"m Moron) |
| 17:37.20 | TieDyedGuy | So what your saying is the preferred method would be to include both files in the .mod and not include any in the xml? |
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| 17:39.05 | Belatuca1ros | correct |
| 17:39.18 | TieDyedGuy | Okey dokey, thanks! |
| 17:39.27 | Belatuca1ros | the other way is sort of deprecated but is there for backwards compatibility atm |
| 17:39.28 | TieDyedGuy | (I'm about to add a .xml to my addon :) ) |
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| 17:51.08 | Els1mer | Aiiane: what happens to the clock mod when there haven't been any combat entries in the log? |
| 17:54.08 | thanners | Els1mer: it'll remain blank until it has something to work with, as far as i can see. |
| 17:57.22 | netcurse | new mod, http://war.curseforge.com/projects/influencetext/ |
| 17:59.46 | Els1mer | k. i seemed to remember when i did something similar it ended up throwing an error, which wouldn't have been good |
| 18:00.26 | Belatuca1ros | ahaha, is someone here a curse admin? what's the policy on old nicknames? Someone on curse has 'belatucadros' already but hasnt been doing dev for a year ;\ |
| 18:00.46 | netcurse | i ll fix it for you |
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| 18:04.39 | nicoli_s | servers need to come back up! i have code that needs testing! |
| 18:06.03 | netcurse | bela |
| 18:06.09 | netcurse | he hasn't been online for 1 year |
| 18:06.48 | Belatuca1ros | cool, can we murder him? |
| 18:06.54 | netcurse | Belatuca1ros would work or you really want that nick ? :) |
| 18:07.07 | Belatuca1ros | Belatucadros would be best :P hehe |
| 18:07.10 | netcurse | ok |
| 18:07.31 | Belatuca1ros | if there's a policy for that...otherwise I'll survive without |
| 18:07.36 | Belatuca1ros | don't want to cross anyone's wires |
| 18:08.09 | netcurse | let me see what i can do |
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| 18:17.47 | Chryzo | darn, the scenarios are fun |
| 18:17.52 | Chryzo | and i have yet to crash again |
| 18:18.22 | Nyborek | hey |
| 18:18.37 | Nyborek | does they patched 4.1 today? |
| 18:19.46 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 18:19.48 | Chryzo | tomorrow i think for EU |
| 18:21.28 | Nyborek | and any graphic improvements? |
| 18:22.08 | nicoli_s | i dunno0 i run on low quality |
| 18:22.44 | Nyborek | cheers |
| 18:25.44 | nicoli_s | i wonder why it is my apple juice comes from usa, china, argentina or chile |
| 18:25.55 | nicoli_s | it seems like it would be so much easier if it just came from one place |
| 18:27.00 | thanners | "continuing to work on a solution to the current downtime. At this time we have no ETA. We will provide the next update at 4PM." |
| 18:27.12 | thanners | alright, I'm going to sleep. :P |
| 18:30.09 | Belatuca1ros | ah, thought the servers were up |
| 18:30.18 | nicoli_s | damn that sucks |
| 18:31.40 | nicoli_s | anyone have any suggestions for things they'd like to see the curse client track that it doesn't already? |
| 18:31.50 | nicoli_s | rather, the curse profiler? |
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| 18:33.06 | rizzen|lab | fuck operating systems are boring |
| 18:34.56 | Belatuca1ros | yes |
| 18:36.38 | ckknight | back from lunch |
| 18:36.40 | ckknight | how's everyone? |
| 18:37.13 | rizzen|lab | horrid |
| 18:37.33 | rizzen|lab | some bastard math program stole our cs lab :( |
| 18:41.00 | nicoli_s | i thought my cs teacher was gonna call me out today on not even bothering to test/finish my first assignment |
| 18:41.15 | nicoli_s | but then it turned out like half the class didnt do it right |
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| 18:42.21 | Aiiane | This is a bit of a delayed response, because I just woke up |
| 18:42.47 | Aiiane | but Els1mer, it uses the Chat log, not Combat; and there is always an entry there because the server sends an MOTD along with a couple of other messages when you log in |
| 18:44.01 | Aiiane | but even if it didn't, it handles it gracefully; it checks how many entries are in the log when it polls and only tries to grab an entry if there are any |
| 18:44.21 | ckknight | rizzen|lab: math and cs go hand-in-hand |
| 18:45.14 | Aiiane | yes and no |
| 18:45.54 | Els1mer | Aiiane: sorry about that, thought it used Combat. |
| 18:47.56 | Aiiane | well, it could |
| 18:48.08 | Aiiane | but Chat is better for the initial update due to the reason I mentioned above |
| 18:49.08 | sOLARiZ | Aiiane: I did something similar in the libTimer but I use the chat event trigger + estimation in between so I grab only every 30sec and rest is always estimated |
| 18:49.47 | rizzen|lab | ckknight: i know this, but it is our lab :) they get their own damn building, we get two floors |
| 18:51.26 | nicoli_s | same at our school rizzen, except we get half a floor |
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| 18:57.04 | Belatuca1ros | ckknight: netcurse was trying to figure out how to murder the year-old belatucadros accoutn so I can sign up with that name |
| 18:57.07 | Belatuca1ros | did not meet success |
| 18:57.22 | ckknight | on freenode? |
| 18:57.34 | Belatuca1ros | no, cf hah |
| 18:57.37 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:57.50 | ckknight | there should be a way... |
| 18:57.52 | Belatuca1ros | I was asking if there's a policy on inactives etc |
| 18:58.03 | Belatuca1ros | not a huge deal, but I wouldn't mind my own name haha =) |
| 18:59.10 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 18:59.23 | ckknight | I wish curse.com just went by email address instead of arbitrary usernames |
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| 18:59.48 | ckknight | so you'd sign in with email address, but have a nickname that showed what you wanted, basically |
| 19:00.20 | ckknight | I shall be Señor Sexipants |
| 19:03.20 | Aiiane | I hate sites that use emails as logons :P |
| 19:03.22 | Aiiane | but that's just me |
| 19:03.50 | ckknight | why? |
| 19:04.36 | Aiiane | a) because it's more typing if im on a system where it's not remembered |
| 19:04.54 | Aiiane | b) because such sites have a tendency to not allow you to change your email address later (not all, granted) |
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| 19:05.13 | Aiiane | c) because unless display names are enforced unique as well, it can make for confusion |
| 19:05.35 | Aiiane | and if you're enforcing display names as unique you might as well use them as login names |
| 19:06.18 | Aiiane | also, git's GUI client for windows fails in that it doesn't either prompt or auto-accept unknown remote SSH keys |
| 19:06.46 | Aiiane | so if you try to use it for a key that you don't have cached yet it just sits there with no indication that it's hung up on whether or not to accept an unverified key |
| 19:11.49 | Aiiane | just FYI sOLARiZ |
| 19:12.00 | sOLARiZ | yes ? |
| 19:12.08 | Aiiane | savedvars aren't loaded when the initial main chunk of Lua is processed |
| 19:12.32 | Aiiane | so putting "if not LibTimer.DATA" outside of any function is sort of pointless, it will always be true :) |
| 19:12.49 | sOLARiZ | ah ok so best place should the init function ? |
| 19:13.22 | sOLARiZ | Im used only other games with lua so war is a bit more ... strict. |
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| 19:16.10 | Aiiane | also out of curiousity why the RegisterEventHandler(LibTimer.DATA[name]["e"], LibTimer.DATA[name]["f"]) |
| 19:17.05 | sOLARiZ | because I found no way for loadvars in war lua |
| 19:17.19 | Aiiane | and? |
| 19:17.19 | sOLARiZ | so I call a Event with a No which triggers the sepcified function |
| 19:17.30 | Aiiane | um |
| 19:17.40 | Aiiane | you don't need loadvars to call a user-supplied function... |
| 19:18.10 | sOLARiZ | I didn't figured out h ow to solve this else even in IRC everybody told me "There is no other way in war" |
| 19:18.19 | Aiiane | look at what libslash does |
| 19:18.28 | Aiiane | since it obviously calls user-supplied functions :) |
| 19:18.59 | sOLARiZ | I will check ;) definitly because the way I handle it currently is not very clean. |
| 19:36.17 | netcurse | we are going to do a new addon hightlight on WHA |
| 19:36.20 | netcurse | front page |
| 19:36.46 | `Zypher | are servers still down? |
| 19:36.46 | netcurse | http://war.curse.com/articles/details/13354/ we ll probably put this news on the front page ;) |
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| 19:37.55 | `Zypher | netcurse: make it so I can use [img] in my posts on wha imo. |
| 19:38.10 | ghostfish_ | are the servers back up yet? |
| 19:38.23 | netcurse | Zyper, i'll pass that request |
| 19:38.47 | `Zypher | netcurse: if you need I can write you guys a fix for the bbcode so images don't distort the forums... |
| 19:38.50 | netcurse | i would Pm http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/member.php?u=3 |
| 19:38.56 | netcurse | about it :) |
| 19:39.11 | `Zypher | he doesn't know how to do ti |
| 19:39.12 | `Zypher | it* |
| 19:39.23 | `Zypher | I talk to garth regularly. :P |
| 19:39.27 | netcurse | ah |
| 19:39.31 | netcurse | well offer him your help |
| 19:39.37 | `Zypher | I did :P |
| 19:39.45 | `Zypher | he just said attachements are easier to manage |
| 19:39.49 | netcurse | mm |
| 19:39.51 | `Zypher | but now I don't even have that option |
| 19:40.00 | netcurse | ping him again |
| 19:42.05 | netcurse | all addons authors will become alliance champions |
| 19:42.10 | netcurse | in the next few days |
| 19:42.14 | Aiiane | aw |
| 19:42.16 | netcurse | so you'll have that nice red name :) |
| 19:42.26 | Aiiane | I liked my semi-unique redness |
| 19:42.40 | netcurse | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/index.php |
| 19:42.43 | netcurse | you ll still be unique |
| 19:42.46 | netcurse | scroll down =P |
| 19:42.50 | netcurse | nearly 4k people online |
| 19:43.20 | Aiiane | speaking of which |
| 19:43.35 | Aiiane | the currently active users display is actually a really big performance drain on vbulletin :P |
| 19:43.41 | netcurse | yeah |
| 19:43.42 | netcurse | we ll remove it |
| 19:43.46 | netcurse | before launch |
| 19:43.47 | Aiiane | you/garth should consider putting it on a separate page |
| 19:43.52 | Aiiane | let people click to view it if they want |
| 19:43.59 | Aiiane | just don't have it display every time someone loads the forums |
| 19:44.08 | netcurse | yeah it's crazy |
| 19:44.11 | netcurse | for performance |
| 19:44.14 | Aiiane | it's helpful occasionally |
| 19:44.20 | Aiiane | to see if there are active mods online |
| 19:44.27 | Aiiane | and/or devs |
| 19:44.34 | Aiiane | so it'd be nice to still have an option to explicitly view it |
| 19:44.41 | netcurse | i agree |
| 19:44.51 | ckknight | yea, a separate page would make sense |
| 19:45.43 | Aiiane | specifically, http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/online.php <-- that one |
| 19:45.52 | Aiiane | I find it odd that I get permission denied for that URL |
| 19:46.02 | Aiiane | but I can see the online display on the regular index |
| 19:46.09 | Aiiane | imo it should just be the other way around :P |
| 19:46.13 | `Zypher | lol |
| 19:46.17 | netcurse | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/58-staff-face-the-axe-at-ncsoft-europe |
| 19:46.19 | netcurse | outch |
| 19:47.52 | Aiiane | netcurse: I actually sort of wish there were a separate title for addon author |
| 19:48.15 | Aiiane | so that people would know right off the bat what the change is for |
| 19:48.19 | sOLARiZ | Aiiane: is it that simple... pcall ? *sigh* blame me ;) |
| 19:48.27 | Aiiane | sOLARiZ: you don't even need pcall |
| 19:48.34 | Aiiane | the pcall just lets it gracefully handle errors |
| 19:48.37 | Aiiane | but |
| 19:48.42 | Aiiane | if you have a variable that's a function |
| 19:48.44 | Aiiane | like myFunc |
| 19:48.46 | Aiiane | then just |
| 19:48.50 | Aiiane | myFunc() |
| 19:48.52 | Aiiane | will call it |
| 19:48.59 | sOLARiZ | tried this but throwed me an error |
| 19:49.09 | Aiiane | probably because you didn't actually have a function ;) |
| 19:49.15 | ckknight | Aiiane: a guy here at the office made a good suggestion for the new curse.com to have a symbol by your avatar on the new curse.com whether you're a curse.com employee, addon author, or premium subscriber |
| 19:49.18 | ckknight | I think it's a cool idea |
| 19:49.26 | ckknight | so if you post something, you'll actually look competent |
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| 19:49.46 | Aiiane | I have to run before the dining hall closes for lunch and so I can get to class |
| 19:49.47 | Aiiane | bbl |
| 19:50.01 | sOLARiZ | ok gl ;) |
| 19:50.04 | Aiiane | sOLARiZ: if you want to see how it works w/o pcall |
| 19:50.09 | Aiiane | look at an earlier version of libslash |
| 19:50.13 | Aiiane | like 1.2 or something |
| 19:50.20 | sOLARiZ | ok ty |
| 19:50.22 | Aiiane | I think I added pcall in 1.3 |
| 19:51.37 | sOLARiZ | will check this out later need some dinner ;) |
| 19:53.12 | Aiiane | and tbh netcurse I don't want some shmuck who puts up a 1-line addon that turns your hp bar blue to become an alliance champion just for that :P |
| 19:53.44 | Aiiane | ok, lunchtime |
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| 19:53.50 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:53.55 | Belatuca1ros | hhaha |
| 20:05.30 | VonhintenHOME` | So, I haven't logged into WoW in like a week, and suddenly I get a WotLK beta invite |
| 20:08.05 | netcurse | ok aiiane, you select who is alliance champion |
| 20:08.06 | netcurse | :) |
| 20:10.23 | ckknight | alliance champion? |
| 20:10.34 | ckknight | ah, WHA |
| 20:11.13 | rizzen|lab | hmm off to software engineering! |
| 20:11.18 | rizzen|lab | good fun to come |
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| 20:16.23 | Aii | blah, thats not what i meant netcurse >< |
| 20:16.47 | netcurse | :) |
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| 20:25.50 | tronned | Alliance Champion: There can be only one. |
| 20:30.47 | Belatuca1ros | haha |
| 20:30.50 | Belatuca1ros | beheadings |
| 20:34.40 | Belatuca1ros | hmm, server list |
| 20:35.13 | Aii | is there an official one yet Belatuca1ros ? |
| 20:35.22 | Belatuca1ros | warherald |
| 20:36.08 | Repo | influencetext: 03elder82 04v0.3 * r3 : |
| 20:36.09 | Repo | Version v0.3 adds a text, movable and sizable using default ui editor, showing your current Influence points and the points needed to get the next reward. |
| 20:36.15 | Repo | Known bugs: |
| 20:36.21 | Repo | * not updated when changing tier: must change area or kill a mob that pays influence to force update. |
| 20:36.43 | Belatuca1ros | hah |
| 20:37.29 | pewpewarrows | mythic's really optimistic about their open rvr ruleset |
| 20:37.34 | pewpewarrows | I would think 5 servers max |
| 20:37.37 | pewpewarrows | not 12 of 30 |
| 20:39.32 | Belatuca1ros | ? |
| 20:39.35 | Belatuca1ros | oh you are counting RP |
| 20:39.55 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 20:40.09 | pewpewarrows | RP/Open will be popular |
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| 20:43.16 | Aii | thank god, they didnt keep the beta server names |
| 20:43.23 | Aii | tyrion and barak varr would suck otherwise :P |
| 20:43.43 | Belatuca1ros | o.O |
| 20:46.29 | pewpewarrows | Skull Throne and Badlands will be extremely popular |
| 20:46.32 | pewpewarrows | I'm calling it right now |
| 20:47.00 | Repo | influencetext: 03elder82 * r4 InfluenceText/InfluenceText.lua: * minor: fixed comment ^^ |
| 20:55.41 | Aii | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/Category:Servers now has a nicely laid out summary of the servers :) |
| 20:55.49 | `Zypher | pewpewarrows: I agree, I want to roll on Skull Throne just because of the name! |
| 20:57.13 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 20:57.17 | `Zypher | Aiiane: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1447103#post1447103 |
| 20:57.36 | `Zypher | Aiiane: http://img.war-europe.com/syndic_img/news/Serverlist_EN.html |
| 20:59.04 | `Zypher | why the hell does the launcher default to IE? |
| 20:59.16 | pewpewarrows | no questions |
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| 21:00.27 | `Zypher | ell |
| 21:00.29 | `Zypher | well* |
| 21:00.32 | `Zypher | I just logged in |
| 21:00.35 | `Zypher | idk about you kids |
| 21:00.42 | `Zypher | My normal server is down tho |
| 21:01.16 | `Zypher | o wow |
| 21:01.20 | `Zypher | they added into cinematics |
| 21:01.22 | `Zypher | for new chars |
| 21:01.25 | pewpewarrows | texture cache = win |
| 21:01.27 | pewpewarrows | epic win |
| 21:01.33 | pewpewarrows | and yeah, cinematics are sweet |
| 21:02.15 | pewpewarrows | and random names! |
| 21:02.16 | pewpewarrows | yay! |
| 21:02.41 | `Zypher | ya |
| 21:02.43 | `Zypher | and |
| 21:02.45 | `Zypher | new loot winder |
| 21:02.50 | pewpewarrows | really? |
| 21:03.04 | pewpewarrows | did they merge the 'O' and chat window social interfaces? |
| 21:03.12 | `Zypher | ya |
| 21:03.15 | pewpewarrows | I'm not in-game yet |
| 21:03.16 | `Zypher | its all a global skin now |
| 21:03.17 | pewpewarrows | oh nice |
| 21:03.45 | `Zypher | wow |
| 21:03.48 | `Zypher | with this cache |
| 21:03.52 | `Zypher | game runs sooooo smooth |
| 21:04.10 | pewpewarrows | I know! |
| 21:04.18 | pewpewarrows | the game looks _awesome_ |
| 21:04.20 | Chryzo | hey ... guess what... |
| 21:04.24 | Chryzo | i tried to buy the game |
| 21:04.29 | Chryzo | the shop ain't letting me pay for it! |
| 21:04.30 | pewpewarrows | still wtb better max draw distance |
| 21:04.49 | pewpewarrows | and better max zoom-out distance |
| 21:04.52 | pewpewarrows | but I'm just nitpicking |
| 21:07.17 | `Zypher | yay for unanimous look! |
| 21:09.08 | *** part/#waruidev Tsolval (n=tsolval@rrcs-24-153-198-63.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:09.26 | pewpewarrows | omg fullscreen map |
| 21:10.32 | Chryzo | night |
| 21:11.44 | pewpewarrows | ./camp is instant |
| 21:16.17 | nicoli_s | are all the servers up? |
| 21:17.07 | *** join/#waruidev Tsolval (n=tsolval@rrcs-24-153-198-63.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:19.00 | Aii | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/Special:Recentchanges phew :P |
| 21:19.04 | *** join/#waruidev ghostfish_ (n=ghostfis@CMU-284970.WV.CC.CMU.EDU) |
| 21:19.12 | ckknight | cool, Aii |
| 21:19.17 | ckknight | you deserve a cookie |
| 21:19.21 | ckknight | and a good seeing-to |
| 21:19.42 | ckknight | both of which I am willing to provide |
| 21:20.07 | `Zypher | ckknight: rofl |
| 21:20.14 | Aii | .. |
| 21:20.16 | Aii | >.> |
| 21:20.27 | ghostfish_ | booty call? |
| 21:20.33 | `Zypher | thats what I heard. |
| 21:20.34 | ghostfish_ | or would that be an IRC cal? |
| 21:20.49 | ckknight | hey, I'm the finest piece of ass in 3 states, ghostfish |
| 21:20.52 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:21.13 | `Zypher | that doesn't include california. |
| 21:21.33 | Aii | ckknight just wants his laundry done |
| 21:21.37 | ckknight | true |
| 21:21.41 | ckknight | I srsly need to do that. |
| 21:22.13 | `Zypher | anyone remember where easymyp is on googlecode? |
| 21:23.12 | Aii | it's on googlecode yet? |
| 21:23.27 | Aii | i wasnt aware it was |
| 21:23.33 | `Zypher | http://code.google.com/p/easymyp/ |
| 21:23.34 | nicoli_s | ah w/o the hashlist |
| 21:24.07 | `Zypher | ffs |
| 21:24.10 | `Zypher | this one doesn't work |
| 21:24.11 | `Zypher | lol |
| 21:24.16 | `Zypher | it overwrote my old one too |
| 21:24.17 | `Zypher | GG |
| 21:24.22 | ckknight | win |
| 21:24.29 | ckknight | and by win, I mean |
| 21:24.32 | ckknight | ~fail `Zypher |
| 21:24.33 | purl | You suck at everything in life, `Zypher. I hate you because you fail. |
| 21:24.33 | `Zypher | Q_Q |
| 21:24.42 | Aii | ~whalebomb ckknight |
| 21:24.42 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at ckknight and hides. |
| 21:25.12 | `Zypher | time to go get the old one |
| 21:27.51 | `Zypher | umm |
| 21:27.59 | `Zypher | I think they changed something |
| 21:28.05 | `Zypher | I can't open the myps anymore :S |
| 21:28.14 | `Zypher | both versions give me an error |
| 21:28.15 | `Zypher | lol |
| 21:28.52 | nicoli_s | nothing changed |
| 21:29.50 | `Zypher | wtf. |
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| 21:33.52 | VonhintenHOME` | holy shitballs, Marketing Rewards emails... epic ring, 2 to all stats + 2 charges of an aura buff |
| 21:38.55 | Aii | heh, yes VonhintenHOME` |
| 21:39.10 | Aii | thats one of the preorder rewards |
| 21:39.35 | *** join/#waruidev jimk (i=4b8e0746@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9c08e4218fa8eac2) |
| 21:39.35 | Aii | handy for lowbie characters |
| 21:39.38 | VonhintenHOME` | guess they're testing out the delivery |
| 21:39.39 | Aii | hi jimk |
| 21:39.55 | Aii | (btw, you should file a ticket for that feature request for CUF if you haven't already :) |
| 21:40.14 | jimk | how do I do that? |
| 21:40.25 | VonhintenHOME` | Does you CUF change the unit frames for the scenario windows? |
| 21:40.31 | VonhintenHOME` | Those things are fucking horrible for healers |
| 21:40.48 | VonhintenHOME` | WTB Grid |
| 21:40.55 | Aii | jimk: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/cleanunitframes/create-ticket/ |
| 21:41.04 | Aii | You'll probably need to create an account first |
| 21:41.08 | Aii | for CurseForge |
| 21:41.48 | jimk | I will, thanks |
| 21:42.08 | Aii | VonhintenHOME`: no, currently it doesnt touch scenario/warband |
| 21:47.03 | jimk | does war api support sending chat messages to others? |
| 21:48.17 | Aii | yes |
| 22:09.01 | Aii | phew, part 2: http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/Category:Servers |
| 22:10.59 | nicoli_s | wtf, the talisman window won't let me put magical essences in it |
| 22:11.36 | nicoli_s | nm figured it out |
| 22:12.50 | *** join/#waruidev DarkTrooper (i=Rukia@ppp118-208-7-225.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) |
| 22:15.09 | jimk | how did you get the info about open rvr servers? i thought there is only one atm. |
| 22:16.16 | Aii | the herald has full release server lists now |
| 22:16.23 | ckknight | sweet, Aii |
| 22:16.30 | ckknight | what info is supposed to go in the server pages? |
| 22:16.39 | jimk | nvm i just found it |
| 22:16.52 | Aii | ckknight: *shrug* right now, just what i have in the box |
| 22:17.02 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:17.05 | ckknight | well, cool |
| 22:17.06 | Tsolval | Lovely work, Aii! Thanks :) |
| 22:17.09 | Aii | later on, perhaps info about the notable alliances/guilds, etc |
| 22:17.57 | Aii | if someone wants to help me make the pages for the european servers (Following the pattern of templates for the NA ones, but add the lang=whatever attribute), that'd be nice |
| 22:18.58 | ckknight | hrm, would they have Spore at a local Gamestop? |
| 22:19.11 | ckknight | i.e. it isn't sold out everywhere, is it? |
| 22:19.40 | Tsolval | your best bet would probably be to call and ask if they have any left. |
| 22:20.53 | Tsolval | the Game Stop internet portal is not showing sold out, so it's more than likely they will have a copy. |
| 22:21.08 | Tsolval | depending on demand in your area, of course. |
| 22:22.22 | pewpewarrows | meh, just d/l it |
| 22:27.04 | Aii | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/Servers all created :) |
| 22:27.05 | ckknight | pewpewarrows: Mac |
| 22:27.08 | ckknight | otherwise I would |
| 22:31.40 | pewpewarrows | ahh |
| 22:32.08 | ckknight | there's like 3 game stops nearby |
| 22:32.12 | ckknight | I'm sure one of em has it |
| 22:33.06 | nicoli_s | sweet! talisman making and apothecary recipes are now collected by my script :) |
| 22:33.26 | pewpewarrows | nice! |
| 22:36.28 | *** join/#waruidev Netcurse (n=chatzill@adsl-99-173-10-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:41.22 | Aii | Netcurse: http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/Category:Servers |
| 22:41.46 | Netcurse | very nice |
| 22:46.19 | DarkTrooper | lol wtf? RP Open RvR |
| 22:46.30 | DarkTrooper | that's just got failure written all over it |
| 22:47.06 | ckknight | how do you mean? |
| 22:47.14 | pewpewarrows | rp open is actually extremely popular |
| 22:47.20 | pewpewarrows | as it fits closet to the lore |
| 22:47.24 | pewpewarrows | *closest |
| 22:47.46 | ckknight | we're gonna go on a Core server, I believe |
| 22:47.49 | *** join/#waruidev Geneshift (n=gene@cpe-66-66-249-241.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 22:47.51 | DarkTrooper | getting ganked and camped breaks immersion, adn thus is the complete opposire of what rp is supposed to ovver :) |
| 22:47.58 | Daegalus | omg patch 4.1.1 is AMAZING |
| 22:48.04 | ckknight | Daegalus: oh? |
| 22:48.13 | Daegalus | improved combat responsiveness to a great degree, targetting is so much more responsive now |
| 22:48.20 | Daegalus | its almost if not at WoW's level |
| 22:48.20 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 22:48.27 | pewpewarrows | the game just keeps getting better |
| 22:48.40 | pewpewarrows | can't wait to see what the headstart patch will be like |
| 22:48.48 | Daegalus | all the details they added |
| 22:48.55 | Daegalus | just awesome now |
| 22:49.04 | DarkTrooper | tho i find it also amusing that ocenic don't get an open RP server :) |
| 22:52.33 | pewpewarrows | is there no download all feature for curse client? |
| 22:52.38 | pewpewarrows | or am I just blind today |
| 22:52.45 | pewpewarrows | for updates, that is |
| 22:53.05 | Aii | not sure whether it's implemented yet or not; when it is it'll be a premium-only feature |
| 22:53.14 | pewpewarrows | gotcha |
| 22:53.27 | Daegalus | hmm, Curseprofiler is erroring |
| 22:53.34 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 22:53.38 | Aii | they probably changed another window name :P |
| 22:53.41 | pewpewarrows | it has to do with getting rvr status of maps |
| 22:54.53 | Daegalus | ya |
| 22:55.00 | Daegalus | GetRVRZoneMaps or soemthing |
| 22:55.23 | Daegalus | GetRVRStatus is nil now |
| 22:55.27 | DarkTrooper | umm, did the au servers explode or something, they arn't on the list anymore, not even in grey |
| 22:55.38 | Daegalus | GetRVRStatusForZOne* |
| 22:55.51 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: Australia decided the game was too violent and therefore has restricted access. |
| 22:56.14 | Aii | lol |
| 22:56.15 | DarkTrooper | they approved AoC, so i don't see that happening :) |
| 22:56.45 | Aii | yay, i have tortoisehg working on my laptop now |
| 22:56.55 | Aii | so i can work on code from class mebbe :P |
| 22:57.05 | Aii | for now... swapping rooms |
| 22:57.34 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54651 |
| 22:57.38 | DarkTrooper | futhermore the US servers are either low/low, med/low, or high/low, ie no one from destruction is logged in?? wtf is going on, did i wake up in an alternate world or something |
| 22:58.09 | pewpewarrows | server pop code might be borked |
| 22:59.02 | DarkTrooper | ya, that's not surprising Thrae, bethesda should have known that was going to happen from the start |
| 22:59.10 | Thrae | I'm going to login today and see like 15 level 40s logged in. |
| 22:59.41 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: What's surprising is that Australia is such a tight-ass, they've convinced Bethesda to make that the GLOBAL version. |
| 23:00.18 | DarkTrooper | nah, more to the point there is that bethesda doesn't want to have to maintain 2 versions and thus making that the standard |
| 23:00.19 | Thrae | I don't think the change is such a big deal, but Australia's puritan censorship shouldn't set the tone for the rest of the world. |
| 23:00.19 | Tsolval | Thrae: Actually they just changed the name of one drug (morphine) to med-x. |
| 23:00.36 | Thrae | I'm calling slippery slope. |
| 23:00.50 | Tsolval | none of their other chems had real-world names, so it fit better to give it a new name anyway. |
| 23:00.57 | DarkTrooper | Thrae: they could have made another locale with text changed in the au version, but they chose not to |
| 23:01.14 | DarkTrooper | they could have not released it in the au region, but they want the sales |
| 23:01.18 | Thrae | Or they could have made a patch downloadable from their website if people are offended by it. |
| 23:01.42 | DarkTrooper | lol, you've never worked in government or very large organisations before have you Thrae? |
| 23:02.00 | DarkTrooper | it's not about what offends people, it's about what's legal and not |
| 23:02.26 | Thrae | It's illegal to reference drug use in a game in Australia? |
| 23:02.31 | DarkTrooper | ya |
| 23:02.43 | Thrae | I thought it was just what the board there decided what was appropriate or not on a case-by-case basis. |
| 23:02.54 | DarkTrooper | yes/no |
| 23:03.19 | DarkTrooper | there are things that will fail review, and they should have known that already if they did 10 mins of google research :) |
| 23:03.32 | Thrae | Making it a law is silly. That's a silly law. |
| 23:03.56 | DarkTrooper | drugs/graphic sexual references will basically guarentee non-classification by the board |
| 23:04.12 | DarkTrooper | i think you're misinterperting |
| 23:04.34 | Thrae | I should be able to market a game about the Australian Prime Minister taking smack on the back of hookers in a shadey motel and if people will buy it in Australia, then they should be allowed to. |
| 23:04.38 | DarkTrooper | the board sets the classification, but there are certain things that they won't give classification on, and without classification it can't be sold |
| 23:04.47 | DarkTrooper | why? |
| 23:04.53 | Thrae | Why not? |
| 23:05.51 | DarkTrooper | ah, but the onus for everything is to provide a case for doing, the default position is to NOT do it :) |
| 23:06.58 | DarkTrooper | allowing people to do whatever the hell they want, does not make a good community, hence why even warhammer has rules and limits :) |
| 23:07.04 | Thrae | That only plays with something that's common sense, and I don't see most censorship cases as being common sense cases. What goal does it serve to unilaterally censor media? |
| 23:07.22 | ckknight | Thrae: to consolidate power? |
| 23:07.26 | *** join/#waruidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 23:07.29 | Thrae | So it should be the government's job to tell people what they can and cannot do. |
| 23:07.34 | DarkTrooper | common sense doesn't exist and never did, anyone who thinks otherwise has never thought about what common sense really is |
| 23:07.46 | ckknight | Thrae: no, I think it's bad, but that's what goal it serves |
| 23:08.08 | Thrae | ckknight: I already know YOU'RE a Libertarian, as am I |
| 23:08.22 | ckknight | information is powerful if it is one-sided, if both sides know said information, they're on equal footing |
| 23:08.42 | ckknight | thus, if the government has more information than the public, they have more power inherently |
| 23:08.50 | ckknight | as compared to a more transparent government |
| 23:08.57 | DarkTrooper | i disagree there |
| 23:09.07 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: See what you did, you got ckknight's Libertarian blood boiling. I blame Australia for that, and you are its representitive. |
| 23:09.18 | ckknight | down with Australia! |
| 23:09.24 | DarkTrooper | the public SHOULD have less infomation as most people arn't educated enough to understand shit |
| 23:09.25 | Thrae | Now now... |
| 23:09.30 | DarkTrooper | now this may be different in other coutnries |
| 23:09.30 | ckknight | I was raised to hate Australia, I can't help it |
| 23:09.33 | ckknight | my dad's a kiwi |
| 23:09.40 | Thrae | Your dad is a fruit? |
| 23:09.40 | pewpewarrows | and you think government is educated? |
| 23:09.41 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 23:09.53 | DarkTrooper | but in au, people are fucking stupid, they lobby for laws and other bullshit that harms the nation |
| 23:09.53 | pewpewarrows | the government knows how to get elected |
| 23:10.00 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: How can people be educated if we withold information? |
| 23:10.01 | pewpewarrows | not necessarily how to run a country |
| 23:10.07 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: why should the public have less information? what makes the government so special that they can keep information from the public? |
| 23:10.16 | DarkTrooper | pewpewarrows: not so much, but they at least have more education than most of the retards in the country :) |
| 23:10.22 | ckknight | pewpewarrows: they know how to retain power as well, keep the sheep at bay to retain said power |
| 23:10.31 | ckknight | Thrae: New Zealander |
| 23:11.40 | pewpewarrows | DarkTrooper, exactly, and you educate people by, let's all say it in unison |
| 23:11.43 | pewpewarrows | more information |
| 23:11.47 | DarkTrooper | i'll give you a prime example, if the public knew en mass, what the budget was, they would scream and cry that they need tax breaks, higher paying welfare, and subsidesed everything, they would take all the money out of the coffers, remove it from busniess insentives, and the country would go backwards economically -real fast- |
| 23:11.59 | DarkTrooper | do you still want people to have infomation? :) |
| 23:12.17 | Unremarkable | Err, DarkTrooper.. |
| 23:12.24 | Unremarkable | You're only giving people half of the truth |
| 23:12.38 | Unremarkable | And laughing because they're making a bad decision based upon limited information |
| 23:12.43 | Unremarkable | Which.. is self defeating, really. |
| 23:12.47 | pewpewarrows | precisely |
| 23:12.58 | DarkTrooper | it's real simple, the less educated people are, the more they think of themselves, the more educated they are the more they think of the community, the nation ans so forth |
| 23:13.11 | ckknight | down with welfare, tax breaks seem fine to me, get rid of subsidies, you're good. |
| 23:13.11 | pewpewarrows | right |
| 23:13.14 | pewpewarrows | so educate them |
| 23:13.15 | DarkTrooper | if everyone was highaly educated, i'd be the first to say lets have very transparent info |
| 23:13.29 | DarkTrooper | but that's not the case in au, and it's not going to be the case for 50 odd years |
| 23:13.31 | ckknight | democracy fails anyway as soon as people can vote for free bread |
| 23:13.44 | pewpewarrows | give everyone an equal shot until theyre 18, or if youre taking care of a kid |
| 23:13.51 | DarkTrooper | most of the people in this country havn't even finished secondary education |
| 23:13.53 | pewpewarrows | once you're an adult, I'm sorry but youre on your own |
| 23:14.04 | pewpewarrows | no handouts for you |
| 23:14.07 | DarkTrooper | anyone in the last 20-25 years have, most before that havn't |
| 23:14.27 | Unremarkable | So, what? Your vote is weighted based on, what, your relative intelligence? Your GPA? Your net income? |
| 23:14.29 | DarkTrooper | a very miniscule portion of the population even had university level education |
| 23:14.30 | nicoli_s | nah man, welfare is what its about |
| 23:14.34 | nicoli_s | some people need help |
| 23:14.47 | nicoli_s | some people's kids need help |
| 23:14.48 | pewpewarrows | dire circumstances, yes |
| 23:15.00 | pewpewarrows | and if a kid's onvolved, by all means |
| 23:15.02 | Unremarkable | Well, lets look at it this way: |
| 23:15.03 | nicoli_s | what we need is a child limit like china :P |
| 23:15.05 | pewpewarrows | *involved |
| 23:15.15 | Unremarkable | Some people will never be able to support themselves. |
| 23:15.18 | DarkTrooper | not everyone needs that sort of education to what i call 'have a clue' but it helps, it shows you other ways to think about things, namly critically |
| 23:15.22 | DarkTrooper | peopel in this country don't have hat |
| 23:15.24 | Unremarkable | Maybe because of a disability or whatever. |
| 23:15.28 | DarkTrooper | they BELIEVE anything the media tells them |
| 23:15.54 | pewpewarrows | disabilities too |
| 23:15.54 | pewpewarrows | that I'm fine with |
| 23:15.54 | DarkTrooper | and thus they typically only care about themselves |
| 23:16.21 | DarkTrooper | if it came down to 'spending national money to promote industry or give more handouts' they'd choose the latter no matter what the cost |
| 23:16.50 | ckknight | you know what'd be interesting? |
| 23:16.57 | ckknight | if your vote was weighted by the amount of taxes you pay |
| 23:17.15 | DarkTrooper | nah thatd be disasterous too |
| 23:17.19 | Unremarkable | Heh. |
| 23:17.39 | Unremarkable | I vote that we rename the "United States of America" to "Google-Land". All in favor? |
| 23:17.42 | ckknight | oh, DarkTrooper? |
| 23:17.43 | DarkTrooper | ckknight wa right before when he said democracy fails :) |
| 23:17.57 | ckknight | Democracy is the worst form of government except all others that have been tried |
| 23:18.04 | DarkTrooper | you know who pays the most taxes? busniesses, and they're worse than people for being self centred :) |
| 23:18.17 | pewpewarrows | ckknight, that's awesome, I'm writing that down |
| 23:18.22 | Unremarkable | How about this? |
| 23:18.25 | ckknight | pewpewarrows: it's Winston Churchill |
| 23:18.34 | pewpewarrows | should have known |
| 23:18.38 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: so? self-interest isn't bad. |
| 23:19.06 | DarkTrooper | ckknight: business would destroy the envionment if they could, just to get another buck :) |
| 23:19.06 | Unremarkable | Only people who make more than $250,000 a year can vote. That'll show all them uneducated hics! |
| 23:19.17 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: so don't buy from businesses that destroy the environment. |
| 23:19.23 | ckknight | then businesses will shape up |
| 23:19.25 | ckknight | vote with your wallet. |
| 23:19.26 | DarkTrooper | then you have no business's left |
| 23:19.38 | DarkTrooper | this idea of competition is riduclous |
| 23:19.43 | Unremarkable | Or, or, you get a number of votes based on your education level. |
| 23:19.45 | ckknight | so start your own business. |
| 23:19.47 | Unremarkable | Or better yet |
| 23:19.49 | DarkTrooper | over time all companies do the same thing |
| 23:20.18 | DarkTrooper | competition doesn't lead to diversification, it leads to the same products with the same strings |
| 23:20.23 | Unremarkable | We train people within each given community and have them cast a vote on behalf of their given community, abstracting away the incompetance of the individuals. |
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| 23:20.37 | pewpewarrows | Unremarkable, I don't agree with the fact that some ignorant prick has the same voting power as myself, when I thoroughly research every candidate and issue beforehand |
| 23:20.50 | ckknight | Unremarkable: hey, that's what the founding fathers came up with. |
| 23:21.18 | Unremarkable | pewpewarrows: On the other hand, assuming an even distribution of uneducated pricks, they should all cancel each other out! |
| 23:21.24 | DarkTrooper | lol yeah and starting your own busniess, you'd either 1) fail beacuse you suck, 2) fail because you're bought out by the big bullies, or 2) fail because of preditory industry :) |
| 23:21.35 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: competition makes greed overcome laziness and drives prices lower for consumers |
| 23:21.38 | pewpewarrows | Unremarkable, assuming an even distribution, yes |
| 23:21.49 | DarkTrooper | but it doesn't |
| 23:21.54 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: maybe you're just lazy or too incompetent to start a business? |
| 23:21.55 | pewpewarrows | Unremarkable, but they do tend to congregate in certain states >.> |
| 23:21.57 | DarkTrooper | well it does in the inital stages |
| 23:22.03 | Unremarkable | I vote for Obama because I think he has nice eyes, ckknight votes for that other jerk because he likes his hair, and you get to make the edeciding vote! |
| 23:22.05 | ckknight | everyone in my family (aside from myself, cause I'm the youngest) has their own business |
| 23:22.15 | DarkTrooper | but all competition does is consilidate the market into a few giants that all do the same thing |
| 23:22.28 | pewpewarrows | Unremarkable, ahh, but then the electoral college comes into play |
| 23:22.29 | ckknight | no, acquision causes that |
| 23:22.44 | ckknight | also, a duopoly is far better than monopoly |
| 23:22.47 | ckknight | what's your alternative? |
| 23:22.55 | DarkTrooper | lol if you really think that come live in australia |
| 23:23.09 | DarkTrooper | every gas place is teh same high price, no one ever undercuts each other |
| 23:23.25 | DarkTrooper | thw two supermarkets are obsene on profit and never undercut each other |
| 23:23.29 | DarkTrooper | and so on and so forth |
| 23:23.30 | Unremarkable | Okay, so this system isn't working. |
| 23:23.34 | Unremarkable | Wait, I've got a good one: |
| 23:23.47 | Unremarkable | How about we keep a database of every vote that everyone has ever made |
| 23:23.49 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: so maybe you have market corruption and cartels |
| 23:23.59 | DarkTrooper | if you open a grocer near the supermarket, they'll underut themselves until you go out of busniess (real fast) then jack prices back up again |
| 23:24.17 | Unremarkable | If you ended up voting for something that improved the country, your future votes have a greater weight than someone's who tends to vote for things that damage the country. 'eh, 'eh? |
| 23:24.19 | DarkTrooper | nope, there's no cartels, those laws here are very harsh |
| 23:24.32 | pewpewarrows | define improves your country |
| 23:24.37 | DarkTrooper | companies just have an unofffical understanding not to undercut each other signifigantly and start price wars |
| 23:24.44 | pewpewarrows | everyone can interpret improvement differently |
| 23:24.56 | DarkTrooper | if you don't undercut your counterpart, then you both enjoy high profits, it's real simple |
| 23:24.59 | ckknight | quite true, pewpewarrows |
| 23:25.13 | DarkTrooper | if someone enters the market to disrupt that, either make them go out of busniess, or buy them out |
| 23:25.18 | DarkTrooper | that's the corporate culutre in au |
| 23:25.20 | Unremarkable | pewpewarrows: Well, obviously its arbitrary and defined largely by whomever happens to be in power. Or popular vote, if you want to go that way. |
| 23:25.22 | ckknight | such as, destroying the school system would be an improvement in my eyes, but not an improvement in some others |
| 23:25.40 | pewpewarrows | yep |
| 23:25.50 | pewpewarrows | so what's your solution to that DarkTrooper ? |
| 23:25.58 | Unremarkable | Better yet, you take a random sample of the population to vote for any given topic, and take another random sample to vote on the result of that vote. |
| 23:26.06 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 23:26.22 | DarkTrooper | i have many, there are real ways to fix most problems in au, they'll just never happen for one reason |
| 23:26.32 | DarkTrooper | and that, it's not policially convinent :) |
| 23:26.46 | Unremarkable | Alright, I'm switching classes. Back in a sec. |
| 23:26.59 | DarkTrooper | we basically run a popularist democracy due to all the stupid people in this country |
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| 23:27.27 | DarkTrooper | so if something is goign to upset a group and you will loose votes, don't do it is the status que -_- |
| 23:27.43 | pewpewarrows | I'm interested in your solutions though |
| 23:27.51 | DarkTrooper | no one wants to actually reform the fundamentals which is wrong, so make things right, it's very frustrating to live here and actually be educated :) |
| 23:28.03 | pewpewarrows | raisins are awesome btw |
| 23:28.08 | DarkTrooper | its one of the reasons why most inteligent people actually leave and get jobs in other countries :) |
| 23:28.10 | pewpewarrows | I just started eating them again |
| 23:28.52 | Netcurse | us servers up? |
| 23:29.33 | Aii | should be |
| 23:29.37 | nicoli_s | ey is |
| 23:29.39 | nicoli_s | they* |
| 23:29.45 | Aii | *are |
| 23:29.53 | nicoli_s | *is |
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| 23:30.06 | Aii | -_- |
| 23:30.08 | nicoli_s | any grammer or spelling mistakes in my typing is 100% intentional |
| 23:30.09 | DarkTrooper | you can blame this rant on mythic actually, if the au servers would be up i would have been messing in there than bothering people in here ^^ |
| 23:30.26 | nicoli_s | it's cuz i look at the keyboard the entire time i type |
| 23:30.33 | nicoli_s | screw that home key crap |
| 23:31.01 | vsrl | wow the weirdest thing has happened, a bunch of my files for the game are stuck read only and keep getting logged off and xp isn't let me change file permissions even after restart |
| 23:31.53 | norgs | hiyaz |
| 23:32.08 | norgs | does anyone know if the auctionhouse is running yet? |
| 23:32.29 | Thrae | norgs: An addon, or the actual auction house? I can use it on Todbringer. |
| 23:32.31 | DarkTrooper | sure is |
| 23:32.56 | Thrae | Planning on Auctioneer WAR edition? |
| 23:32.56 | DarkTrooper | norgs is probably the same dev that did wow auctionhouse and is wanting to do a war version? :) |
| 23:33.01 | norgs | excellent! I've almost downloaded the client |
| 23:33.17 | norgs | Indeed I am |
| 23:33.22 | ckknight | norgs: coolness |
| 23:33.39 | DarkTrooper | norgs: excellent, priority #1 should be the cool informative tooltips :) |
| 23:33.49 | norgs | lol |
| 23:34.28 | DarkTrooper | seriously, sure you use the main modules when you're at teh AH, but you use those tooltips EVERYWHERE in the world, while leveling, while pvp/rvr etc etc :) |
| 23:34.50 | Thrae | DarkTrooper: For determining if loot will sell well or not? |
| 23:34.57 | DarkTrooper | (and i also like to know how much i'll get for selling items so i can pick the right one) ^^ |
| 23:35.42 | DarkTrooper | i admit, it's a crutch, but it was nice to have that info :) |
| 23:36.05 | potato | what license should I be using for my addon? |
| 23:36.25 | Thrae | Yeah, I think WAR's auction will actually become a bigger deal then WoW's in some respects. I get plenty of very nice drops I don't need. |
| 23:36.31 | TieDyedGuy | So, When you make a window (I copied the Clock one) you can't click through it. Is there a property that let's you do that? |
| 23:36.42 | Thrae | potato: Free BSD or ckknightian. |
| 23:36.56 | pewpewarrows | MIT! |
| 23:37.01 | DarkTrooper | yeah, it's in the xml tie |
| 23:37.27 | DarkTrooper | handleinput="false" should be the one |
| 23:37.36 | TieDyedGuy | Ok, thanks. |
| 23:37.37 | Thrae | Netcurse: Ouch |
| 23:37.56 | ckknight | Thrae: I tend to use MIT |
| 23:38.27 | DarkTrooper | considering dosh isn't as important in war, i can see the economy going ass up really quickly, what do you guys think? |
| 23:38.29 | ckknight | potato: for my addons, I usually use all rights reserved or MIT (based on the situation, I've been fucked before with redistribution issues) |
| 23:38.39 | ckknight | potato: I use MIT for all my libs, though |
| 23:38.41 | TieDyedGuy | Dark: Thanks, in the clock.xml the handleinput was set to false on the label, but not the window. |
| 23:38.43 | potato | ahh |
| 23:38.46 | potato | thanks :) |
| 23:38.47 | TieDyedGuy | Dark: That fixed it! |
| 23:39.11 | pewpewarrows | dosh? |
| 23:39.30 | DarkTrooper | dosh = money |
| 23:39.41 | pewpewarrows | depends |
| 23:39.45 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: never heard that before |
| 23:39.47 | pewpewarrows | gonna have to give it a month or so |
| 23:39.57 | DarkTrooper | TieDyedGuy: yeah i'm not sure why aii didn't make the window clickthroughable, maybe an oversite |
| 23:40.12 | DarkTrooper | aha so dosh is probably au slang |
| 23:40.21 | DarkTrooper | you'll get used to it :) |
| 23:43.28 | Aii | DarkTrooper: oversight which I just pushed a fix for |
| 23:43.51 | DarkTrooper | yeah thought so, it's in the layout editor, and no moveable tag :) |
| 23:45.56 | potato | Is it possible to edit the description for your addon? :P |
| 23:46.27 | DarkTrooper | the description is in the .mod file |
| 23:46.45 | potato | sorry, I meant on war.curseforge.com |
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| 23:47.32 | DarkTrooper | i havn't used curseforge yet so someon else will have to answer that :) |
| 23:47.32 | potato | oh wait |
| 23:47.51 | potato | ah I found it in the knowledge base :) |
| 23:48.02 | Aii | hehe |
| 23:48.06 | Aii | yeah, just edit the page named Main |
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| 23:48.31 | Thrae | int main (void) |
| 23:50.03 | DarkTrooper | oh the credits button works now (or did it before and i just didn't notice?) |
| 23:50.14 | *** join/#waruidev Kolie (n=kraft@72.146.1.103) |
| 23:50.15 | pewpewarrows | worked in 4.1 |
| 23:50.52 | DarkTrooper | lol, i love the 'exhausted' anim on the char selection screen ^^ |
| 23:51.19 | Thrae | We should port the lolcode library for WoW addons to WAR, so people can code in lolcode for WAR as well. |
| 23:51.31 | DarkTrooper | lolcode? |
| 23:51.38 | vsrl | lol, what is lolcode |
| 23:51.56 | Thrae | http://www.lolcode.com |
| 23:52.19 | vsrl | ugh. |
| 23:52.23 | DarkTrooper | ooh, race starter cinimatics is in |
| 23:52.35 | ckknight | IM IN UR LOOP |
| 23:53.30 | DarkTrooper | and the CE/SE/validated stuff is in |
| 23:53.54 | Thrae | IZ VAR BIGR THAN 10? GTFO. KTHX |
| 23:54.00 | pewpewarrows | what do you mean by ce/se/validated? |
| 23:54.04 | Thrae | That exists a loop if the variable is bigger then 10. |
| 23:54.14 | DarkTrooper | all the HS items, and the email validated title |
| 23:54.15 | Thrae | s#exists#exits# |
| 23:54.29 | pewpewarrows | nice, ill have to check that out |
| 23:54.33 | Thrae | Oh, I forgot we got a title. |
| 23:54.35 | pewpewarrows | what do you do to get the CE items |
| 23:54.41 | pewpewarrows | visit mailbox? |
| 23:54.56 | Thrae | Is it "I Paid Too Much For This Title"? |
| 23:55.13 | DarkTrooper | nah, the title is avail to everyone |
| 23:55.35 | Thrae | CE should get a custom title. |
| 23:56.17 | DarkTrooper | err those special rings have charges, i wonder if it can recharge somehow |
| 23:56.22 | Thrae | "Mythic Fanboy/girl", "WAR Fanboy/girl" |
| 23:56.25 | Aii | DarkTrooper: nope |
| 23:56.38 | Aii | it's just a couple of charges to help you out on a lowbie character |
| 23:56.53 | Aii | its not meant to be a permanent use aura |
| 23:57.34 | DarkTrooper | should be, the higher you get, the less of an impact it makes, and eventually not having better stats (from newer rings) hampers you |
| 23:57.55 | DarkTrooper | 3% chance of doing 10 damage is lol really |
| 23:59.07 | Aii | it's not supposed to be significant |
| 23:59.30 | Aii | otherwise you'd get an incredible amount of complaint from people who didnt buy the CE (somewhat justified, too) |
