| 00:00.39 | DarkTrooper | wow, just read your responce in that thread tronned, and that has to be one of the most respectful posts i've read in the last week |
| 00:02.11 | Nyborek | Hey, are the elder server already up and some in elder beta? |
| 00:02.18 | rizzen | nein |
| 00:03.58 | DarkTrooper | is there anything on warwiki about the xml/valid tags? i can't find anything except the .mod format |
| 00:04.40 | jnj | Not to my knowledge. I only found XML-info by looking at the minimap-addon |
| 00:04.55 | tronned | DarkTrooper: Thank you ^_^; It seems to be an uphill battle between un-educated (and unwilling to learn) naysayers of mods and the mod authors themselves. |
| 00:06.08 | tronned | Aiiane is out there fighting the good fight, just trying to /assist (with no ToT, kekeke) |
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| 00:11.39 | DarkTrooper | okay so each 'element' of the visual aspect of the mod is defined/represented in the xml yeah? ie the main space the mod uses, the bars within there, the test within them and so on? |
| 00:15.42 | jnj | To my knowledge yes. I defined a window+a button for a mod using XML |
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| 00:21.09 | DarkTrooper | okay, so is there a list of valid tags and arguments somewhere in relation to war? |
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| 00:23.44 | jnj | Not "offical" I think :/ WhinySpellTimer/Minimap mods on curse each uses some tags. All the info I've been able to get |
| 00:24.58 | DarkTrooper | thanks jnj, i might look through the offical ones too see what i can find out |
| 00:25.48 | jnj | Judging from debug messages it looks like all official mods also have XML-files somewhere in the data-files. Would be awesome to extract those somehow |
| 00:26.47 | Belatuca1ros | I like pie |
| 00:27.05 | jnj | I guess the extractor used for warwiki might have access to them, seeing how they have the lua scripts already. But that extractor is not for the public I guess? |
| 00:27.06 | Aiiane | hi bela :P |
| 00:27.24 | tronned | harro bela |
| 00:27.27 | DarkTrooper | cake > pie & My nana's chocolate apple shortcake is not a lie ^^ |
| 00:30.40 | Freddy | lie |
| 00:35.20 | `Zypher | DarkTrooper: everyone knows cake is for fat fat fatties |
| 00:35.26 | `Zypher | pie on the other hand is delicious. |
| 00:36.21 | DarkTrooper | ah but appel shortcake is like a pie :) |
| 00:36.31 | DarkTrooper | but has the glorious tag of a cake |
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| 00:39.39 | Aiiane | dinner, back in a bit |
| 00:39.51 | rizzen | see ya |
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| 01:23.52 | Aiiane | back |
| 01:27.03 | tronned | welcome back |
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| 01:52.55 | Belatuca1ros | anyone here work on wardb? any reason you can't sort the guild listing by RP totals? |
| 01:53.00 | Belatuca1ros | lolz@rank |
| 01:53.56 | DarkTrooper | i don't, but last i heard there's still alot of stuff still in development |
| 01:54.11 | DarkTrooper | might come out for OB, they might wait until actual release |
| 01:54.19 | Belatuca1ros | bleh |
| 02:01.48 | Belatuca1ros | too lazy to click each guild heh |
| 02:02.22 | DarkTrooper | it's likley many guilds will make that info private anyway |
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| 02:10.32 | lazarenth | sooo... the titles of complaining threads are going from innocent (is there target of target) to dire (mods have already gone too far), my next guess is militant (ban all non-cosmetic mods!) |
| 02:10.46 | lazarenth | >_> <_< |
| 02:11.07 | lazarenth | well i guess the is there target of target thread kinda got hiojacked |
| 02:11.17 | DarkTrooper | no no, we've already had 'ban all mods and burn the API' :) |
| 02:11.55 | rizzen | we had to fire the logic torpedos on that one |
| 02:12.06 | lazarenth | aww maaaan |
| 02:14.39 | lazarenth | rawr gotta start the skeleton for my new mod so i can test it some in OB |
| 02:14.53 | DarkTrooper | what you doing up? |
| 02:15.23 | Freddy | warcry |
| 02:15.23 | Freddy | ! |
| 02:15.27 | lazarenth | its going to be a group mod that calls out morale/abilities that yu use that benefit the group |
| 02:15.55 | lazarenth | like, morale abilities that increase AP regen, or abilities you use the debuff healing on the enemy |
| 02:15.58 | lazarenth | stuff like that |
| 02:16.19 | DarkTrooper | gork says stop for the group eh? |
| 02:16.23 | Freddy | lu |
| 02:16.24 | Freddy | l |
| 02:16.28 | lazarenth | hahaha |
| 02:16.31 | DarkTrooper | lol, invest in a very strong firesuit :) |
| 02:16.40 | Freddy | why should he care |
| 02:16.43 | lazarenth | i suppose it could do that but it was more focused on what you would be casting |
| 02:16.45 | Freddy | WHA forums have gone to hell anyway |
| 02:16.46 | Freddy | xD |
| 02:17.06 | lazarenth | i wanted to make it cause there is no real way to do it in a macro |
| 02:17.10 | lazarenth | with no /cast and all |
| 02:17.54 | lazarenth | i wonder if there is any way to track buffs to abilities, or if I am going to have to make some insanely large table >_< |
| 02:18.41 | lazarenth | err, i mean get an ability name/id from buff info |
| 02:19.00 | Freddy | laz |
| 02:19.02 | Freddy | all you have to do |
| 02:19.07 | Freddy | is have them set it up themselves |
| 02:19.09 | Freddy | liek they would a macro |
| 02:19.18 | Freddy | and let them add to the table themselves |
| 02:19.27 | Freddy | then just have that as a saved variable |
| 02:19.34 | Aiiane | most of the abilities are named the same as the buffs they give... |
| 02:19.53 | Freddy | laz: you could just have somethin like /warcry (name) (what to say) |
| 02:20.21 | Freddy | less work for you to do and more personalizable |
| 02:22.05 | lazarenth | i suppose that is way easier :P |
| 02:22.19 | Freddy | and they will only call the buffs tehy want to call |
| 02:22.37 | lazarenth | but then they have to figure out the buff/debuff names. is there any wierd formatting with maybe apostrophes or exclamation points in buff names |
| 02:22.55 | Freddy | lol who knows |
| 02:23.05 | Freddy | IMO check some of the player frame functions |
| 02:23.06 | Freddy | or somethi |
| 02:23.08 | lazarenth | well i guess that's what i can test come OB :) |
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| 02:23.28 | Freddy | advanceData.abilityInfo.isDebuff |
| 02:23.30 | Freddy | o.O |
| 02:24.09 | lazarenth | i dunno how i would work /warcry <buffname> <whattosay> though, because i am guessing a lot of buffs are more than one word |
| 02:24.21 | lazarenth | i will need to come up with some kind of delimited |
| 02:24.27 | lazarenth | maybe a bar | |
| 02:24.39 | Freddy | g_currentMouseOverBuff.m_buffData |
| 02:24.49 | Freddy | hmm |
| 02:24.55 | Freddy | so just change the g_currentMouseOver thing |
| 02:25.10 | Freddy | buffFrame.m_buffData |
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| 02:25.29 | Freddy | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:BuffFrame.OnMouseOver |
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| 02:25.40 | Aiiane | Freddy: that's basically what I did for AlertFilter; instead of having a ton of giant tables to keep track of what messages are in what category |
| 02:25.49 | Aiiane | I just let people say "hide anything that has <blah> in it" |
| 02:26.19 | Freddy | =) |
| 02:26.22 | Freddy | BuffFrame.m_buffData |
| 02:28.02 | Freddy | BuffTracker.m_buffData is a table storing all the buffs held for one char |
| 02:29.15 | Aiiane | for hiding the default frames' buffs, I basically ended up overwriting the call that tells that frame's bufftracker to update |
| 02:29.19 | Freddy | and i guess you could grab it from it's parent? |
| 02:29.27 | Aiiane | and then telling that frame's bufftracker to ClearAllBuffs() |
| 02:29.29 | lazarenth | i think i will make a preliminary version now, then when OB rolls around i will do some fooling around with getting buff data to see if there is any funny business with formatting buff names or anything |
| 02:32.05 | Freddy | hmm |
| 02:32.13 | Freddy | TargetUnitFrame.m_BuffTracker is the buff tracker |
| 02:32.18 | lazarenth | how does libslash eturn multiple words after the first owrd... i know i have done it returning one thing with FlowerPower but, does it just return one string, or a table of words, or? |
| 02:32.26 | lazarenth | return* |
| 02:32.30 | Freddy | the input |
| 02:32.33 | Freddy | is everything after the first word |
| 02:32.37 | Freddy | you can split it up though |
| 02:32.41 | lazarenth | in one string? |
| 02:32.44 | Freddy | yes |
| 02:32.47 | lazarenth | ok sweet |
| 02:32.49 | lazarenth | thanks |
| 02:35.52 | lazarenth | i saw someone talk about it a few days ago... how do i save a variable or something between WAR sessions? |
| 02:36.26 | Freddy | saved variables |
| 02:36.38 | Freddy | in the mod file put a <Saved Variables> section |
| 02:36.41 | Freddy | sec i'll go |
| 02:36.46 | Freddy | <SavedVariables> |
| 02:36.46 | Freddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.46 | Freddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.46 | Freddy | </SavedVariables> |
| 02:36.56 | Freddy | if it's a global |
| 02:37.00 | Freddy | it'll save your variables between sessions |
| 02:37.06 | lazarenth | ok |
| 02:37.15 | Freddy | then at the start it'll load the saved stuff instead of the old stuff |
| 02:37.32 | lazarenth | ok, so dont initialize it as 0 or empty or anything right |
| 02:37.40 | Freddy | i just initialized at nil |
| 02:37.58 | lazarenth | then does it just skip that if it is a saved var? |
| 02:38.10 | Freddy | i'm not sure what it does to be honest |
| 02:38.14 | Freddy | i just know it saved what it was |
| 02:38.17 | Freddy | and didn't load as nil |
| 02:38.25 | lazarenth | okie thanks |
| 02:38.44 | Freddy | i put this |
| 02:38.44 | Freddy | if (JoinFast.wait==nil) then |
| 02:38.44 | Freddy | JoinFast.wait=false |
| 02:38.44 | Freddy | end |
| 02:38.47 | DarkTrooper | that's interesting i would have checked if a var had a value as the first line of the init code, if it did, skip right over init, if it didn't give htem approeratly default values |
| 02:39.00 | Freddy | so that it has default valuse |
| 02:39.01 | Freddy | values |
| 02:39.05 | lazarenth | ah that makes sense i'll do that in case |
| 02:39.06 | Freddy | in the initialize |
| 02:39.23 | Freddy | so i make it nil at the top of the addon, then in the init i will load the defaults if it isn't saved |
| 02:39.31 | Freddy | (it's in my joinfast addon) |
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| 02:40.42 | lazarenth | yeah that makes sense |
| 02:43.23 | Repo | libslash: 03aiiane * r14 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 02:43.24 | Repo | Use pcall() to invoke registered slash handlers, so we can fail gracefully if a handler errors out. |
| 02:43.56 | Freddy | omg |
| 02:44.15 | Freddy | aii you're changing the entire world here |
| 02:44.20 | Freddy | how are we ever going to figure this out |
| 02:44.48 | Aiiane | Has no effect on end users :P |
| 02:45.10 | Aiiane | has no real effect on anyone really, unless your addon is already broken |
| 02:45.20 | Freddy | yes |
| 02:45.21 | Freddy | well |
| 02:45.23 | Freddy | lol |
| 02:45.29 | Freddy | my addon very well could be broken |
| 02:45.31 | Freddy | no testing :P |
| 02:45.51 | Freddy | o well, gotta wait for curseforge to add it |
| 02:45.52 | Freddy | (: |
| 02:46.21 | Aiiane | basically the effect of the change I made was |
| 02:46.28 | Aiiane | if your slash handler function causes an error |
| 02:46.36 | Aiiane | instead of just keeping the chat input box open |
| 02:46.50 | Aiiane | it'll still close it when you hit enter; it'll just tell you an error occurred while trying to run the slash command |
| 02:46.59 | Freddy | cool |
| 02:47.01 | Aiiane | and give you the error message from your slash handler |
| 02:47.04 | Freddy | so it's like the command oes not exist? |
| 02:47.11 | Freddy | or |
| 02:47.13 | Freddy | even cooler |
| 02:47.13 | Freddy | than that |
| 02:47.14 | Freddy | ! |
| 02:47.31 | Aiiane | ChatWindow.Print(L"An error occured with the supplied slash command - please report this to the addon author:") |
| 02:47.31 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.43 | Freddy | lol |
| 02:47.44 | Freddy | fun |
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| 02:48.10 | DarkTrooper | more like "An error has occured, you broke it, you get to keep both pieces. Have a nice day!" |
| 02:48.11 | DarkTrooper | :) |
| 02:48.45 | Aiiane | lua> local a,b = "test":match("(t)(e).+") print(a) print(b) |
| 02:48.46 | lua_bot | Aiiane: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ':' |
| 02:49.05 | Aiiane | lua> c="test" local a,b = c:match("(t)(e).+") print(a) print(b) |
| 02:49.06 | lua_bot | Aiiane: t, e |
| 02:50.08 | lazarenth | i dont remember from preview weekend, but you don't see buffs in a hostile target, do you? |
| 02:50.15 | lazarenth | just devuffs right |
| 02:50.16 | Freddy | not buffs i don't think |
| 02:50.20 | Freddy | possibly though |
| 02:50.20 | Freddy | :( |
| 02:50.32 | Freddy | i tend to kill the opponent |
| 02:50.36 | Freddy | not browse their buffs |
| 02:50.36 | Freddy | rofl |
| 02:51.23 | Aiiane | you do see enemy buffs. |
| 02:52.45 | Freddy | Aiiane: is there a way to auto autocomplete in PSPad, without a hotkey? |
| 02:52.52 | Freddy | where it will just show the options |
| 02:53.41 | Aiiane | dunno, I don't use autocomplete |
| 02:53.51 | Freddy | :( |
| 02:53.59 | Freddy | i'm trying to transition into it |
| 02:53.59 | Freddy | :) |
| 03:02.55 | lazarenth | i think i will add a field to warcvry for the user to specify where to watch for the buff/debuff. on yourself or on the enemy |
| 03:03.26 | lazarenth | oh man if i ever make this work the UI forums will be roasting me like a pig lmao |
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| 03:05.32 | Aiiane | Freezepop, Future Future Future Perfect, Do You Like Boys? |
| 03:05.43 | Aiiane | sketchy song ftw ^^ |
| 03:07.00 | Daegalus | I thik im nuts. I just collected all the latest Armybooks (7th for all that have it, 6th for those that dont) all the supplementary books, and everything in PDF format. And then I got Liber Chaotica Complete and Liber Necris to boot |
| 03:07.06 | Daegalus | its over a gig of PDF files |
| 03:07.56 | lazarenth | i have a lot more than that of pdfs of D&D 3.5 books :p |
| 03:08.20 | Daegalus | well another thing is War FB books in PDF are a lot harder to find period |
| 03:08.40 | Daegalus | i mean im happy all are top notch quality except the Empire one, which is the only 7th edition on the net, but its a crap scan |
| 03:09.34 | lazarenth | i am sad i dont know more about warhammer, i was a warcraft lore buff before i played WoW and now i feel behind the curve in warhammer :P |
| 03:09.57 | lazarenth | the burning crusade crushed almost all semblance of lore in the warcraft universe though :'( |
| 03:10.03 | Daegalus | If you read Liber Chaotica, Liber Neris, and THe Life of Sigmar, and the fluff sections of hte armybooks. You will know all there is needing to be known |
| 03:10.11 | Daegalus | Necris* |
| 03:10.22 | lazarenth | "lol, draenei arent actually draenei anymore, real draenei crash into plantes in spaceships!!!" |
| 03:10.33 | Daegalus | lOL |
| 03:10.36 | lazarenth | planets* |
| 03:10.41 | Daegalus | wlel i would recommend Liber Chaotica to anyone |
| 03:10.43 | Daegalus | amazing read |
| 03:10.47 | Daegalus | lots of good artwork too |
| 03:11.42 | Daegalus | well after i make one last attmept at finding a GOOD Empire 7th, imma make a torrent for all this |
| 03:11.44 | Daegalus | and seed it |
| 03:11.51 | Daegalus | for all those that wish to attempt downloading all 1 gig of it |
| 03:12.04 | lazarenth | i'd probably do it :) |
| 03:17.20 | rizzen | i'd read it |
| 03:17.26 | DarkTrooper | freezepop? |
| 03:17.29 | rizzen | link the torrent when you do :P |
| 03:18.19 | Zote | sounds like an interesting read |
| 03:18.41 | Zote | I'm with lazarenth I know almost 0 WH lore |
| 03:20.00 | DarkTrooper | laz: for those of us that didn't really know WC lore, it all seemed to flow and turn out okay :) |
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| 03:38.26 | DarkTrooper | ckknight's presence honours us all ^^ |
| 03:38.32 | ckknight | howdy, all |
| 03:38.39 | tronned | hi2u |
| 03:38.57 | ckknight | DarkTrooper: you misspelled honor |
| 03:39.15 | ckknight | jk, you crazy foriegners... |
| 03:39.49 | DarkTrooper | haha, you *really* don't want to start the heathen english vs true eng debate with me ^o^ |
| 03:41.08 | thanners | 'morning all! |
| 03:41.10 | ckknight | yea, yea, I know |
| 03:41.19 | ckknight | America's English is a bit fucked up |
| 03:41.34 | ckknight | but we own the moon |
| 03:41.36 | ckknight | so *shrug* |
| 03:41.37 | thanners | English is a bit screwy in general, I think. |
| 03:41.41 | ckknight | oh, I agree |
| 03:41.47 | DarkTrooper | well i would have put it more elegantly, but i have to coneed on the moon |
| 03:41.48 | ckknight | fucking sponge-like language |
| 03:41.56 | thanners | it makes it so cool, though. (c: |
| 03:42.05 | `Zypher[2] | rawrrr |
| 03:42.09 | `Zypher[2] | ckknight: be in the building |
| 03:42.17 | thanners | Whew. So I just read through the past 8 hours of the irc backlog. |
| 03:42.28 | thanners | I wish I hadn't read those links to the WHA ui threads. |
| 03:42.37 | `Zypher[2] | yarly. |
| 03:43.07 | `Zypher[2] | watching superman now so stfu |
| 03:43.30 | thanners | whee |
| 03:44.50 | Aiiane | where the heck have you been ckknight :P |
| 03:44.57 | ckknight | Aiiane: Dragon*Con |
| 03:45.03 | Aiiane | ah, fun |
| 03:47.34 | DarkTrooper | is there a file anywhere in this mess that has a full list of defs for xml thigns like 'EA_Label_DefaultSubHeading' ? |
| 03:47.59 | Aiiane | somewhere yes |
| 03:48.09 | Aiiane | define "this mess" though |
| 03:48.20 | DarkTrooper | the files out of the .myp |
| 03:48.22 | `Zypher[2] | data.myp has it DarkTrooper |
| 03:48.30 | `Zypher[2] | o wait |
| 03:48.34 | `Zypher[2] | no thats interface.myp |
| 03:48.40 | DarkTrooper | ya :) |
| 03:48.41 | `Zypher[2] | silly me |
| 03:49.06 | `Zypher[2] | um |
| 03:49.09 | `Zypher[2] | leme look |
| 03:49.52 | `Zypher[2] | eatemplate_defaultwindowskin |
| 03:50.00 | `Zypher[2] | thats what your looking for. |
| 03:50.27 | DarkTrooper | exclent, now i can dir search to find the right file, thanks |
| 03:52.52 | `Zypher[2] | DarkTrooper: I don't know how sucessful that will be |
| 03:53.01 | `Zypher[2] | I can zip them up for you if you'd like |
| 04:07.36 | lazarenth | lol at the thread where the guy basically said "someone write me an addon so i always roll need" |
| 04:07.51 | `Zypher[2] | lazarenth: lol ya |
| 04:08.27 | Daegalus | gah i gotta find a better Empire 7th edition |
| 04:17.15 | `Zypher[2] | you could come over |
| 04:17.19 | `Zypher[2] | and we could spoon |
| 04:20.28 | Zote | rawr? |
| 04:20.37 | `Zypher[2] | Zote: you want to spoon? |
| 04:20.55 | Zote | is it sept 7th yet? |
| 04:21.01 | `Zypher[2] | gettin there. |
| 04:21.10 | Zote | look me up then >.> |
| 04:21.33 | `Zypher[2] | you aren't a girl right? |
| 04:22.00 | Zote | I wasn't 5 min ago let me check again... |
| 04:22.08 | Zote | dammit no :( |
| 04:23.21 | `Zypher[2] | even better |
| 04:25.36 | DarkTrooper | so how does the code know the difference between your offensive target and your defensive target? |
| 04:31.10 | Aiiane | DarkTrooper: which code |
| 04:31.49 | DarkTrooper | any? when i was looking through the api docs on the site i never found anything that distingished between the two types of targets |
| 04:32.02 | DarkTrooper | how does the UI know which element to update? |
| 04:32.37 | Aiiane | try looking at the code for TargetLast on curseforge |
| 04:34.31 | Zote | retard question -- is there already a tool avail for unpacking myp files? |
| 04:36.44 | `Zypher[2] | Zote: maybe. |
| 04:37.21 | `Zypher[2] | http://sourceforge.net/projects/easymyp/ |
| 04:37.59 | `Zypher[2] | theres nothing up there anymore |
| 04:38.03 | `Zypher[2] | but meh! |
| 04:38.44 | DarkTrooper | thanks Aiiane; looks complicated, i'll see what i can figure out :) |
| 04:40.30 | Zote | yeah looks like it was taken down |
| 04:40.58 | Zote | back to fighting this damn script to take them apart >.< |
| 04:41.27 | `Zypher[2] | demyp should do the trick |
| 04:41.30 | `Zypher[2] | but it wont have file names |
| 04:44.53 | Zote | dark: it looks like the targeting system uses 'response type' to determine which target to update (ie hostile mobs/players/objects always go in one, friendly ones always go in the other) |
| 04:45.54 | DarkTrooper | yeah that's what i assumed, makes things slightly harder to deal with when learning and code a tad more bloated -_- |
| 04:48.10 | Zote | and I'm not sure if you can query their current values independantly... might make new unit frames fun |
| 04:48.19 | Zote | in a sadistic kind of way |
| 04:53.42 | `Zypher[2] | Zote: I want you so bad. |
| 04:56.59 | tronned | Just do a check on target type and go from there ;) |
| 04:57.20 | Zote | zyph: awwwwww |
| 05:01.49 | Zote | tronned: hopefully there will be a better way (this is all theorycraft atm) I can just see horrendous slowdowns polling both targets into case statements everytime it draws |
| 05:13.01 | Daegalus | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.06 | Daegalus | failed* |
| 05:13.10 | Daegalus | ~fail Internet |
| 05:13.12 | purl | Internet: FAIL! |
| 05:20.20 | Aiiane | why are you polling targets every time it draws Zote? |
| 05:24.48 | DarkTrooper | well i dunno why zote is, but i'd be to know who's hp/max hp/ap has changed |
| 05:26.04 | Aiiane | why would you do that when there are events that fire whenever your targets info has updated >.> |
| 05:28.14 | Aiiane | RegisterEventHandler( SystemData.Events.GROUP_STATUS_UPDATED, "CleanGroupWindow.OnStatusUpdated") etc |
| 05:28.29 | DarkTrooper | unless i'm mistaking things, becaue the events that fire are the same for offence and defensive targets |
| 05:28.39 | DarkTrooper | so you have to test out which one or if both update etc |
| 05:29.26 | Aiiane | or... you can just use the new info as stored by the client for your unit? |
| 05:29.43 | Aiiane | the client keeps track of all of the info about a unit |
| 05:29.47 | Aiiane | there's no "polling" involved |
| 05:29.59 | Aiiane | you can just set the values for your display elements to the values the client has |
| 05:30.01 | Aiiane | and you're good |
| 05:31.07 | Aiiane | the point is |
| 05:31.12 | Aiiane | those events don't fire "every time it draws" |
| 05:31.17 | Aiiane | they only fire when things change |
| 05:31.27 | DarkTrooper | well that's what i thought |
| 05:31.39 | Daegalus | Aiiane strikes again, teaching n00bs lua since 2008! |
| 05:31.50 | DarkTrooper | seems Zote and i are talking about different things |
| 05:32.30 | DarkTrooper | while not uncommon i'm a little more confused, so i might ponder this for a tad while throwing toys around for the dog outsdie ^^ |
| 05:34.04 | Zote | sorry i was afk >.> |
| 05:35.40 | Zote | I misstyped and didn't say what i meant earlier I meant every time there is a change you would have to test for which target window to apply it to, unless the event returns enough info to look up the unit locally |
| 05:36.20 | Aiiane | Zote: well, first of all the event fires periodically enough that it's not an issue to just update all frames of that type (target, group, or player) when the appropriate event fires |
| 05:36.49 | Aiiane | but at least for things like changing targets, it'll also tell you what target changed |
| 05:36.58 | Aiiane | function TargetLast.UpdateTargets(targetClass, targetId, targetType) |
| 05:37.05 | Aiiane | it passes you some info into the event handler |
| 05:37.18 | Aiiane | (some of the events do, at least) |
| 05:37.54 | Zote | assuming all the relevant ones pass targetID or something similarly "unique" it won't be a problem |
| 05:38.09 | Aiiane | well like I said |
| 05:38.13 | Aiiane | for the status updated events |
| 05:38.27 | Aiiane | they're designed to just have you update all of that type's info |
| 05:38.57 | Aiiane | GROUP_STATUS_UPDATED for example |
| 05:39.15 | Aiiane | is designed to just update all of the info for all of the group targets |
| 05:39.40 | Aiiane | stop thinking in terms of updating every frame, because this is an event-driven system |
| 05:39.56 | Aiiane | you don't need to manually draw the frames, you just update their values when it's relevant |
| 05:40.46 | Zote | I was thinking more along the lines of the HP values for targets taking massive incoming attacks but as you pointed out if we get targetID back then there's no decision code really |
| 05:41.03 | Aiiane | you don't get hp changes per-attack though |
| 05:41.21 | Aiiane | you get a health update every so often that includes all the attacks since the last update |
| 05:41.38 | Zote | makes sense |
| 05:41.54 | Aiiane | you don't *need* decision code |
| 05:42.05 | Aiiane | you just refresh the displayed values for all of the relevant frames |
| 05:42.09 | Aiiane | if you get a GROUP_STATUS_UPDATED |
| 05:42.17 | Aiiane | then you go through and update the values for all of the group unit frames |
| 05:43.02 | Aiiane | if you get a PLAYER_TARGET_HIT_POINTS_UPDATED, then you just update the two target frames |
| 05:43.14 | Aiiane | it's not like it's a costly function to update them |
| 05:43.31 | Aiiane | you're just calling a simple function with a variable as an argument |
| 05:43.40 | Aiiane | there isn't a ton of processing involved |
| 05:44.11 | Zote | I agree completely the whole discussion origionally was based around my lack of understanding of what info came back in target events |
| 05:44.22 | Aiiane | that's the thing though |
| 05:44.22 | Zote | ty for the enlightenment :) |
| 05:44.30 | Aiiane | even if zero info came back, it wouldn't be an issue :) |
| 05:49.19 | `Zypher[2] | ~whalefear Aiiane |
| 05:49.19 | purl | ACTION makes a grotesque whale named Marilyn open its mouth. Aiiane flees in terror at the sight of Marilyn's poor oral hygeine |
| 05:53.18 | `Zypher[2] | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70544 |
| 05:53.21 | `Zypher[2] | I feel clever. |
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| 05:54.00 | Zote | i c what u did there |
| 05:54.13 | lazarenth | hurr hurr you is da man |
| 05:54.17 | lazarenth | :P |
| 05:54.23 | `Zypher[2] | haha |
| 05:57.21 | `Zypher[2] | ooOoo |
| 05:57.28 | `Zypher[2] | google is going to push Chrome to beta tomarrow |
| 05:57.47 | `Zypher[2] | goodbye burning dog |
| 06:01.01 | Aiiane | burning dog? |
| 06:01.47 | Aiiane | was that a badly constructed reference to firefox? |
| 06:02.12 | Zote | or dinner |
| 06:02.35 | `Zypher | Aiiane: you got it. |
| 06:06.01 | DarkTrooper | not to derail or re-examin stuff, but if you can't get hp changers per hit, then you never have an accurate value for the user to make decions on? |
| 06:08.03 | Zote | not any more or less than a raw UI |
| 06:08.07 | thanners | surely it still updates "quick enough"? |
| 06:08.25 | Aiiane | WoW uses the same system, DarkTrooper. |
| 06:08.34 | Aiiane | health updates fire once every 300ms or so |
| 06:08.50 | Aiiane | (in WoW - not sure on the interval for WAR yet) |
| 06:09.07 | Aiiane | and technically |
| 06:09.12 | Aiiane | you always have a delay anyways |
| 06:09.14 | Aiiane | due to latency |
| 06:09.35 | Aiiane | in the end, it's not really a game-breaker |
| 06:19.18 | DarkTrooper | oh, i never knew that, then again i always had 300+ latancy anyway, so i may not have noticed in the first place |
| 06:19.58 | Aiiane | well, 300ms update times is 3 updates per second |
| 06:20.05 | Aiiane | so unless you're really looking, it's hard to notice :) |
| 06:20.33 | DarkTrooper | and if the game is doing it's job i guess, you're too busy to be that pedantic :) |
| 06:21.48 | DarkTrooper | imo, they should have just used VB/VBA ;) |
| 06:25.40 | Aiiane | ...ew |
| 06:25.50 | Aiiane | we do not speak of such things here |
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| 06:31.27 | Aiiane | hi matsuka |
| 06:31.43 | DarkTrooper | haha, predictable reaction, i do like visual tools tho, i'm not used to writing code to represent visualalities on screen, why i'm having so much trouble with the xml |
| 06:32.08 | DarkTrooper | how did you get into coding anyway, if i may ask Aiiane? |
| 06:32.17 | Aiiane | once you understand how the anchor system works, it's actually really, really simple |
| 06:32.24 | Aiiane | it's just a matter of grasping the key idea behind it |
| 06:32.37 | Aiiane | if you're used to VB |
| 06:32.45 | DarkTrooper | it's a matter of teaching old dog new tricks, when they can't remember the old tricks, haha |
| 06:32.57 | Aiiane | the equivalent in anchors would basically be a TOPLEFT anchor for everything |
| 06:32.57 | DarkTrooper | i havn't coded anything in quite a few years really |
| 06:32.58 | Aiiane | since VB uses top and left values |
| 06:33.01 | Aiiane | for positioning |
| 06:33.24 | DarkTrooper | oh i get the anchoring, quite a few mods in wow used it in their config screens etc |
| 06:33.30 | Aiiane | DarkTrooper: um, my father worked for a few different tech companies |
| 06:33.45 | Aiiane | and I'd often come to his work after the schoolday was done, until his workday was over |
| 06:33.53 | Aiiane | so I'd play around with computers there |
| 06:34.11 | Aiiane | and then he showed me BASIC |
| 06:34.16 | Aiiane | and it just sort of evolved from there |
| 06:35.14 | DarkTrooper | basic was great |
| 06:35.25 | DarkTrooper | quickbasic was where it was at imo, could compile and all :) |
| 06:49.18 | DarkTrooper | oh lord, it starts already "What does key loggers have to do with buying gold? Most often they are packaged into add-ons..." |
| 06:50.04 | thanners | waitwhatwhere? |
| 06:50.15 | thanners | no, nevermind, I don't want to know :P |
| 06:50.22 | DarkTrooper | nah your really don't |
| 06:51.00 | DarkTrooper | nice responce tho "The biggest security hole for any online account lies between the chair and the keyboard. Mythic can't fix that." |
| 06:51.00 | thanners | wait what? how does that even.. it doesn't.. it.. |
| 06:51.11 | thanners | rofl |
| 06:56.19 | DarkTrooper | still an RSA code generator for mythic might be interesting, not sure they have the backing to get that done however. |
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| 07:18.03 | Aiiane | I just *love* all the people who pop into threads about ToT or enemy cast bars and post something like "don't worry, there'll be a mod for it in no time at all" |
| 07:18.11 | Aiiane | and it's like.... "um, no?" |
| 07:18.37 | DarkTrooper | yeah i've seen that, you've told people *so many time* and they still keep streaming in |
| 07:19.55 | DarkTrooper | i can see why they think that tho, if you don't ahve even cursory knowledge of programing, and come from wow, you could easily think that "anything's possible with coding" |
| 07:22.39 | Aiiane | well, and also the fact that wow set a bad example |
| 07:22.50 | Aiiane | because it *did* have ToT/enemy cast bars available via the API |
| 07:22.54 | Aiiane | but not in the default UI |
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| 07:22.59 | Aiiane | when it originally released |
| 07:23.21 | DarkTrooper | that may be the case, but i'd say half of all mmo orented players now have had wow as their first mmo :) |
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| 07:23.57 | Aiiane | unfortunately -_- |
| 07:24.04 | DarkTrooper | .ca? are you a funny canuk riz? |
| 07:24.28 | `rizzen | yeah |
| 07:25.06 | `rizzen | got beef with teh .ca? :P |
| 07:25.21 | DarkTrooper | i knew a crazy canuk once |
| 07:25.50 | DarkTrooper | eventually moved to some tropical island where there was no/minimal tax and spanish speaking women everywhere |
| 07:26.10 | `Zypher | Aiiane: wow is the first mmo ever. |
| 07:27.41 | DarkTrooper | i have to admit, wow was the first mmo i ever heard about, and i did a fair bit of PC gaming |
| 07:27.50 | `Zypher | lol |
| 07:27.58 | Daegalus | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4374666 |
| 07:28.03 | Daegalus | http://www.mininova.org/tor/1761416 |
| 07:28.09 | Daegalus | curently doing initial seed :P |
| 07:29.08 | `rizzen | downloading! :d |
| 07:30.10 | Daegalus | once you finish, please help seed, my upload is not the best in the world |
| 07:30.41 | `Zypher | `rizzen: wtf |
| 07:30.44 | `Zypher | srealing my ` |
| 07:30.47 | `Zypher | :S |
| 07:32.13 | Aiiane | Daegalus: 1gb o.o |
| 07:32.34 | Daegalus | mhmm, every armybook + i think every rulebook |
| 07:32.35 | Daegalus | latest |
| 07:32.37 | Daegalus | high quality |
| 07:32.52 | Daegalus | + 150 meg Liber Chaotica |
| 07:32.56 | Daegalus | 80 meg Liber Necris |
| 07:33.14 | Daegalus | err 31 meg Liber necris |
| 07:33.16 | Aiiane | yeah, I think I'll pass for now :) |
| 07:33.19 | Aiiane | don't really need them |
| 07:33.23 | Daegalus | lol |
| 07:33.37 | Daegalus | wish i could post this on WHA and get a bunch of people seeding |
| 07:34.28 | Daegalus | oh god this initial seed is gonna be a bitch |
| 07:38.00 | Daegalus | O.O, 14 peers already |
| 07:38.07 | Daegalus | ill go spam it on a few more sites :D |
| 07:41.54 | Aiiane | sleepytime for me |
| 07:41.56 | Aiiane | night~ |
| 07:42.35 | Daegalus | night |
| 07:42.43 | Daegalus | so |
| 07:42.49 | Daegalus | where else can i spam this torrent |
| 07:43.00 | Daegalus | I want it known throughout the Warhammer communities :D |
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| 09:07.03 | Daegalus | im bored |
| 09:07.15 | Daegalus | whats everyone else up to? |
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| 14:23.14 | tronned | hey ckk/kael, is it possible to completely delete off of curseforge? i had it as a regular curse project, and it got moved over somehow. I have not touched it in 2 years. |
| 14:23.29 | ckknight | you can abandon it |
| 14:23.49 | ckknight | what project? |
| 14:23.53 | tronned | it was abandoned forever, is it supposed to auto-delete after a period of time |
| 14:23.57 | tronned | Duplicity |
| 14:24.29 | ckknight | got a url for me? |
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| 14:24.46 | tronned | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/project-3011/ |
| 14:25.06 | ckknight | yea, you can see it's marked as abandoned, it's also project-3011 instead of duplicity |
| 14:25.12 | ckknight | so it's kind of in a frozen stasis |
| 14:25.27 | ckknight | it won't show up on curse |
| 14:26.26 | tronned | ah, good enough for me then :) thanks |
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| 16:34.45 | Aiiane | good morning all :) |
| 16:35.52 | potato | hello |
| 16:40.26 | Chryzo | morning |
| 16:43.31 | Belatuca1ros | x |
| 16:44.09 | rizzen | its almost 11am |
| 16:44.12 | rizzen | thats too god damn early |
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| 16:56.47 | Aiiane | lol rizzen :) |
| 17:31.17 | rizzen | hihi |
| 17:31.19 | rizzen | :D |
| 17:31.21 | rizzen | whats up |
| 17:31.28 | Aiiane | beta forums |
| 17:32.23 | rizzen | yaya nda and such |
| 17:34.03 | Aiiane | I more meant "read them" :P |
| 17:35.02 | rizzen | i did |
| 17:35.08 | rizzen | :P |
| 17:35.22 | rizzen | 2 posts pertaining to things that i cannot discuss! |
| 17:35.32 | rizzen | even though the notes have already leaked |
| 17:35.37 | rizzen | (not my doing) |
| 17:36.21 | rizzen | dont ever go the the #warhammeronline channel on quakenet |
| 17:36.26 | rizzen | hive of scum and trolls |
| 17:36.36 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 18:04.25 | nicoli_s | did the elder servers ever come back up? |
| 18:07.03 | `Zypher[2] | 4.1 is craaazy |
| 18:08.14 | Aiiane | @project war/cleanunitframes |
| 18:08.15 | Repo | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/cleanunitframes/. CleanUnitFrames. Game: WAR. Leader: Aiiane. Updated: 67 seconds ago |
| 18:08.26 | `Zypher[2] | Aiiane: yay! |
| 18:08.26 | nicoli_s | 4.1? |
| 18:08.38 | `Zypher[2] | they are calling their newest patch 4.1 |
| 18:12.10 | rizzen | they have been for awhile now |
| 18:18.43 | rizzen | sexy unit frames are sexy |
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| 18:20.59 | tronned | Hwo can I pass wstring text, like player name so that it is recognized as L"Myname"? |
| 18:21.04 | tronned | *How |
| 18:23.12 | Chryzo | use the convert methods |
| 18:23.18 | Chryzo | WStringToString |
| 18:23.20 | Chryzo | and towstring |
| 18:23.23 | Chryzo | if i am not mistaken |
| 18:24.21 | ckknight | tronned: what do you mean pass? |
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| 18:39.17 | nicoli_s | are you limited in what level you have to be to fly to the main cities? |
| 18:45.05 | Aiiane | no, at least you weren't in the preview |
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| 18:47.13 | Volki | hey I have another idea for an addon |
| 18:47.44 | Volki | It would be cool if you could make something that shows your targets' Morale bar.....if possible |
| 18:50.58 | Volki | aiiane? zypher? rizzen? nicoli? |
| 18:51.09 | Aiiane | Not possible |
| 18:51.22 | Aiiane | Nor is target AP possible |
| 18:52.38 | Volki | do you think maybe..some time down the line it will be possible? |
| 18:52.48 | Aiiane | Not unless Mythic changes the API. |
| 18:52.51 | Aiiane | Which I doubt they will. |
| 18:52.58 | Aiiane | Since they seem to have intentionally left it out. |
| 18:53.24 | Aiiane | Just as they intentionally didn't provide ToT info or enemy cast bars. |
| 18:53.58 | Volki | that's lame....does that info actually exist...they just left it out? |
| 18:54.52 | Aiiane | Obviously it exists on the server |
| 18:54.57 | Aiiane | but they haven't provided it to the client |
| 18:55.05 | Volki | oh i see |
| 18:55.10 | Aiiane | reduces the potential for external programs to display information they shouldn't |
| 18:55.55 | Volki | So if anything along those lines were to happen...Mythic would release that kind of stuff as part of their natural UI |
| 18:56.17 | Aiiane | in general, probably yes. |
| 18:56.29 | Aiiane | all signs point to they don't want what happened with wow to happen here |
| 18:56.39 | Aiiane | i.e. have something available in the API that a player with the default UI couldn't see |
| 18:56.42 | Volki | who wants to petition with me at HQ!!!! lol |
| 18:56.53 | Aiiane | (which is what happened with target-of-target and enemy cast bars in WoW) |
| 18:57.22 | Volki | so target of target existed before Blizz gave you an option for it? |
| 18:57.35 | Aiiane | yes |
| 18:57.58 | Aiiane | which is one of the reasons why you see so many people on the forums responding to posts about no ToT in war with "oh, someone will make a mod for it eventually" |
| 18:58.06 | Aiiane | which is totally wrong, if you know anything about addons |
| 18:58.11 | Aiiane | but they think that's the case |
| 18:58.17 | Aiiane | because they're assuming it's the same situation as in WoW |
| 18:59.20 | Volki | basically people are gonna need to recognize each animation for spells so they know when to interrupt and stuff? |
| 19:00.19 | Volki | I hope enemy cast bars and ToT are not put in tbh |
| 19:00.34 | Chryzo | ToT is possible though |
| 19:00.41 | Chryzo | just one hell of a bitch to code :) |
| 19:00.46 | Volki | does the basic UI show enemy buffs as of right now? |
| 19:01.10 | Chryzo | buffs, not sure, debuffs sure |
| 19:01.26 | Aiiane | Chryzo: ToT is only possible for friendlies |
| 19:01.42 | Aiiane | for enemies, you /might/ be able to get an approximation of who they /last/ hit |
| 19:01.48 | Aiiane | but it won't be accurate if they change targets |
| 19:02.07 | Volki | What if you're a super programming wiz and have access to all kinds of source code...could you bring some of that server info over to your client? |
| 19:02.12 | Aiiane | nope |
| 19:02.20 | Aiiane | not how server/client works |
| 19:02.25 | Aiiane | the server chooses what information it gives you |
| 19:02.34 | Aiiane | unless you have access to the server's code, you can't change that |
| 19:02.38 | Volki | so you have to have access to the server |
| 19:02.42 | Volki | oh |
| 19:02.47 | Chryzo | Aiiane: what is the use really of having ToT for ennemies :) |
| 19:02.53 | Chryzo | see who they are shooting / hitting ? |
| 19:03.06 | Aiiane | Chryzo: healers use it to target who's getting hit (in WoW, that is) |
| 19:03.09 | nicoli_s | see when they are casting spells i thought |
| 19:03.19 | Aiiane | ToT != castbars, nicoli_s :P |
| 19:03.23 | Volki | that's enemy castbar |
| 19:03.33 | nicoli_s | did anyone every figure out how to access the chatlog from in game? |
| 19:03.54 | Aiiane | yes |
| 19:04.02 | Aiiane | there's the kill announce mod that does I believe |
| 19:04.10 | Chryzo | knowing who loses life is enough imo, for melee it would make sense, but for range ? come on... even in real life you would not know especially with magic |
| 19:04.25 | Aiiane | welcome to the great ToT debate Chryzo |
| 19:04.26 | Volki | magic in real life? |
| 19:04.42 | Chryzo | so ? |
| 19:05.01 | Chryzo | if you get into magic, then if you want to see the target you would have to actually put something on the guy ^^ |
| 19:05.01 | Volki | "even in real life you would not know especially with magic" |
| 19:05.03 | Volki | classic |
| 19:05.18 | Chryzo | magic is even less ballisticaly straight than weapons :) |
| 19:05.40 | Chryzo | for me you could shoot at something behind you with magic... it is magic ^^ |
| 19:05.56 | Chryzo | so you can't actually know where some one is aiming when magic kicks in |
| 19:06.03 | Chryzo | well that is a personal opinion ^^ |
| 19:06.38 | Chryzo | and i actually kinda hate that kind of mode for ennemies. Frendlies is normal because you can imagine the guy shoots / speaks in you head / whatever what guy he is targetting |
| 19:06.42 | Chryzo | but the enemy .. come on :) |
| 19:06.53 | Chryzo | it be stupid of him to tell the opponent his next move |
| 19:06.55 | Volki | who is coming up with a cooldown timers thing |
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| 19:26.22 | rizzen | google chrome goes live! |
| 19:26.24 | rizzen | oh noes! |
| 19:27.40 | smcn | pfft, 45 minutes behind |
| 19:27.56 | rizzen | i was busy throwing myself off cliffs, my bad |
| 19:28.28 | smcn | i've been pining since reading the comic yesterday lol, was reading a live feed on the press conference and d/l as soon as it came up |
| 19:28.37 | nicoli_s | just one more browser to have to add special cases for noooo! |
| 19:29.04 | rizzen | shouldnt be too hard? |
| 19:29.22 | rizzen | i think it was similar to safari? i cant recall what the article said |
| 19:53.33 | rizzen | so yeah |
| 19:53.35 | rizzen | chrome == win |
| 19:53.51 | rizzen | fast browsers are fast |
| 19:53.59 | smcn | still wtb flash blocking |
| 19:54.15 | rizzen | wtb noscript |
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| 20:22.58 | Freddy | hallo |
| 20:24.13 | smcn | word |
| 20:27.03 | rizzen | hallo world |
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| 20:43.45 | Freddy | omg |
| 20:43.49 | Freddy | make me cry more pewpew |
| 20:44.11 | Freddy | and beta leaks is down :( |
| 20:44.15 | Freddy | lol /cry |
| 20:44.17 | Freddy | brb |
| 20:47.42 | rizzen | interesting notes are indeed |
| 20:47.43 | rizzen | interesting |
| 20:51.06 | Freddy | i hate you all |
| 20:51.07 | Freddy | =) |
| 20:51.36 | Daegalus | woah nice |
| 20:51.39 | Daegalus | in 1 night |
| 20:51.42 | Daegalus | 29 seeds |
| 20:51.47 | Daegalus | 160 peers |
| 20:51.51 | Daegalus | for my torrent |
| 20:52.04 | Freddy | which torrent? |
| 20:52.27 | Daegalus | http://www.mininova.org/tor/1761416 |
| 20:52.38 | Freddy | you just want an extra peer!@ |
| 20:52.51 | Freddy | dang that's a lot of books |
| 20:52.56 | Daegalus | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4374666/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battles_-_ENG_-_Latest_9-1-08_-_PLUS_BONUS |
| 20:54.32 | pewpewarrows | wow, I know mbj said he doesn't like the term "miracle patch" |
| 20:54.34 | pewpewarrows | but damn |
| 20:54.40 | Freddy | i hate you |
| 20:54.46 | Freddy | this is a conspiracy |
| 20:54.49 | Freddy | you want me to commit suicide |
| 20:54.49 | Freddy | !@ |
| 20:55.05 | Freddy | IMO you should give me one of your fav lines from it |
| 20:55.06 | Freddy | :P |
| 20:55.07 | Freddy | just one! |
| 20:55.32 | rizzen | there is still some issues pewpew |
| 20:55.37 | rizzen | namely with ze magus |
| 20:56.40 | Freddy | omfg |
| 20:56.40 | Freddy | lol |
| 20:56.40 | Freddy | i'll just wait for betaleaks to stop being retarded |
| 20:56.40 | Freddy | :D |
| 20:56.40 | rizzen | and while the pets are not autistic anymore |
| 20:56.40 | rizzen | they are only mildly retarded |
| 20:57.23 | rizzen | good buffs to the pq's |
| 20:57.39 | Daegalus | omg....chrome = win!!!! |
| 20:57.44 | Freddy | omg |
| 20:57.45 | Freddy | ob |
| 20:57.46 | Freddy | come! |
| 20:57.48 | rizzen | very much so |
| 20:58.04 | rizzen | im already considering dropping firefox |
| 20:58.14 | pewpewarrows | omg chrome! |
| 20:58.16 | pewpewarrows | I completely forgot |
| 20:58.46 | Daegalus | chrome is making me consider dropping FF too |
| 20:58.53 | Daegalus | jesus this broswer is full of win |
| 20:59.26 | pewpewarrows | and yeah, 4.1 looks like the closest thing we'll get to a miracle patch |
| 20:59.52 | rizzen | its god damn solid all around |
| 20:59.57 | rizzen | they need a 4.1.1 or something |
| 21:00.04 | rizzen | just to fix some issues that were brought up |
| 21:00.08 | rizzen | server stability namely |
| 21:00.12 | pewpewarrows | yep |
| 21:00.16 | rizzen | some tactics need to be reworded |
| 21:00.18 | rizzen | skills, etc |
| 21:00.32 | pewpewarrows | yeah, but I'm sure there's a 4.2 in the works |
| 21:00.37 | pewpewarrows | 4.2 being the release version |
| 21:00.46 | pewpewarrows | with a general final polish pass |
| 21:01.31 | pewpewarrows | they addressed pretty much every single issue I had with beta up until now |
| 21:01.44 | pewpewarrows | with the exception of more crafting profs |
| 21:02.31 | Daegalus | ok, im converted, Chrome is my new broswer |
| 21:02.46 | Freddy | woo |
| 21:02.50 | pewpewarrows | ok just dl'ed |
| 21:02.53 | Freddy | found the patch notes |
| 21:02.53 | Freddy | :p |
| 21:02.57 | pewpewarrows | what do I need to know ;) |
| 21:03.32 | Freddy | cool book of binding is an ability |
| 21:03.33 | Freddy | :( |
| 21:04.40 | rizzen | open er up |
| 21:04.42 | pewpewarrows | damn chrome is FAST |
| 21:05.09 | Freddy | lol chrome is crazy fast |
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| 21:05.11 | Freddy | needs more options |
| 21:05.12 | Freddy | :( |
| 21:05.21 | potato | it feels really empty |
| 21:05.28 | Freddy | really does |
| 21:05.30 | smcn | yeah it's definitely beta:P |
| 21:05.47 | Freddy | smcn |
| 21:05.55 | Freddy | haven't you realized that betas are supposed to be perfect |
| 21:06.16 | rizzen | now i have to learn to use google reader |
| 21:06.18 | rizzen | bah |
| 21:06.27 | pewpewarrows | pretty easy |
| 21:06.32 | pewpewarrows | I've used it for a long time now |
| 21:06.50 | pewpewarrows | it's a million times better than checking on like a hundred sites for updates |
| 21:07.16 | smcn | i've been using google reader for a couple weeks, my first rss reader in fact... now i'm addicted to rss lol |
| 21:07.26 | pewpewarrows | hehe |
| 21:07.58 | smcn | is there a plugin or something to convert bbcode? |
| 21:08.17 | smcn | half my feeds use it :/ |
| 21:08.31 | rizzen | i just had a few on my bookmark toolbar in firefox |
| 21:08.34 | rizzen | all i needed |
| 21:17.03 | Daegalus | one thing i miss though is all the RSS feeds i had on my toolbar |
| 21:18.11 | pewpewarrows | so... sexy... |
| 21:18.27 | pewpewarrows | and it's sitting at 20 megs idle |
| 21:24.36 | Daegalus | ya im already converted |
| 21:26.04 | pewpewarrows | now they just need to release a linux distro |
| 21:26.13 | pewpewarrows | and theyll have successfully won the internet |
| 21:29.29 | Daegalus | pretty much |
| 21:32.24 | Daegalus | OMFG i just saw the 4.1 patch notes.... |
| 21:36.15 | pewpewarrows | yeah, they're pretty full of win |
| 21:37.25 | Daegalus | and they finalized open rvr |
| 21:37.58 | Daegalus | guess everyones speculation was true |
| 21:39.00 | pewpewarrows | it still sounds too ambiguous |
| 21:39.09 | pewpewarrows | I want actually facts/examples |
| 21:41.40 | rizzen | aiiane, does your cuf add the loveliness to the target unitframe as well? |
| 21:42.33 | Freddy | Gates of Ekrund: Silly stuntie, Lobbas are for lifts! Orcapults now hurl Destruction players toward the wall. Use them at your own risk, because theyll launch you toward random destinations, even into the wall! Talk to the nearby Siege Git and prepare for flight! |
| 21:42.35 | Freddy | o jeee |
| 21:42.37 | Freddy | jeeze |
| 21:42.37 | Freddy | lo |
| 21:43.02 | Daegalus | Freddy, that is under NDA |
| 21:43.09 | Daegalus | you shouldnt be posting that publicly |
| 21:43.30 | Freddy | meh |
| 21:43.33 | Freddy | i'm not an elder tester |
| 21:43.35 | Freddy | :p |
| 21:43.35 | rizzen | freddy isnt in the closed beta |
| 21:43.37 | rizzen | and he found it |
| 21:43.50 | Freddy | ^wut he said |
| 21:43.52 | rizzen | though i have to admit |
| 21:43.54 | rizzen | orcapults |
| 21:43.56 | rizzen | awesome |
| 21:44.06 | Freddy | i wunna see wut they added to mirror it for dwarves |
| 21:44.31 | Freddy | ToK quest chain looks sweet too |
| 21:45.02 | Daegalus | im not in elder either |
| 21:45.19 | Freddy | so you can post away |
| 21:45.20 | Freddy | ;p |
| 21:45.38 | Freddy | all of the ToK changes are sweet |
| 21:45.49 | rizzen | the tok looks sweet :d |
| 21:45.52 | Daegalus | Open RvR Server Ruleset |
| 21:45.54 | Daegalus | Are you ready for the next challenge in RvR? Do you love the adrenaline rush of always having to look behind your back for the enemy? If so, then we welcome you to Open RvR, where you will either shine or falter in a constant battle for glory! Battle your enemies outside of the RvR lakes and affect the fate of your realm! Your Chapter 1 hub and your capital city are the only locations in the... |
| 21:45.55 | Daegalus | ...game where you have safe confines, of course that is until your city becomes under attack. |
| 21:45.57 | Daegalus | *Rules: |
| 21:45.58 | Daegalus | -Players are always RvR flagged from the moment they log in |
| 21:46.00 | Daegalus | -Chapter 1 hubs and capital cities are safe |
| 21:46.02 | Daegalus | -There is no bolster buff in RvR lakes |
| 21:46.03 | Daegalus | -Players will be chickened when entering lower tiers of content |
| 21:46.14 | pewpewarrows | ^ epic fail |
| 21:46.24 | Freddy | Deciding which class to play has never been easier! All classes now appear in Tier 4 armor prior to selection. |
| 21:46.26 | Freddy | hmm |
| 21:46.29 | Freddy | that's awesome |
| 21:46.31 | smcn | nice |
| 21:47.03 | Freddy | also magus and engineer pets can be ordered to do stuff now |
| 21:47.06 | Freddy | like ordered to cast spells on your target |
| 21:47.07 | Freddy | :D |
| 21:47.08 | smcn | so, who wants to q me the link to the patch notes ;) |
| 21:47.17 | Freddy | i'm lookin on gfaq |
| 21:47.18 | Freddy | v |
| 21:47.18 | Freddy | http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=520538&topic=45229789 |
| 21:47.27 | Daegalus | i have my own personal beta leaker |
| 21:47.40 | Freddy | these patch notes are crazy long |
| 21:47.51 | Freddy | Players will now smoothly and automatically rotate to face their current enemy target. |
| 21:47.53 | Freddy | thank you mythic |
| 21:48.42 | Freddy | Added a simple 'Forgiveness' queue to the combat system. This will allow players to trigger their next ability slightly before the GCD or current casting ability completes. This should reduce the number of Ability not ready messages |
| 21:48.44 | Freddy | that's awesome |
| 21:48.47 | Freddy | no more ability not ready spam |
| 21:48.49 | pewpewarrows | yep, small queue |
| 21:48.50 | Freddy | you can queue up skills |
| 21:48.50 | Freddy | :p |
| 21:49.09 | pewpewarrows | and hopefully the complete ui polish is as good as it sounds |
| 21:49.32 | Freddy | world map got a revamp |
| 21:49.36 | pewpewarrows | yup |
| 21:49.42 | Daegalus | omg, tome got ANOTHER reskin O.o |
| 21:49.48 | pewpewarrows | I know |
| 21:50.07 | pewpewarrows | well, the quest log took too many clicks to get to |
| 21:50.14 | Freddy | Death: Has a new look and feel. Try it out today! |
| 21:50.15 | Freddy | rofl |
| 21:50.20 | Freddy | best note evar |
| 21:50.30 | pewpewarrows | and the whole title/achievements system was a bit borked, from a ui perspective |
| 21:50.48 | Freddy | The trade window is now working. It should not steal items. |
| 21:50.49 | Freddy | lol |
| 21:50.51 | pewpewarrows | I wonder if the new death system is the one I found commented in the default luas |
| 21:51.00 | pewpewarrows | where you get to choose a nearby town |
| 21:51.03 | Freddy | Players who have been resurrected will now receive a 50% debuff to all statistics, except wounds, for one minute. |
| 21:51.04 | Freddy | Players will now receive a 10% debuff to wounds each time they release from death. These debuffs stack with themselves up to 50%. |
| 21:51.04 | Freddy | The debuff lasts 15 minutes if a player was to die and release in PVE. |
| 21:51.04 | Freddy | The debuff lasts 3 minutes if a player were to die and release in RVR. |
| 21:51.05 | pewpewarrows | instead of having no choice |
| 21:51.12 | Freddy | not sure about where you choose |
| 21:51.22 | Daegalus | *The name entry field now functions like a name entry field, and the cursor blinking at you is actually a real cursor...and there was much rejoicing. |
| 21:51.24 | Daegalus | lol |
| 21:51.27 | Daegalus | the devs are full of win |
| 21:51.28 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 21:51.30 | Freddy | lol |
| 21:51.43 | pewpewarrows | I hope the post-release notes have those little easter eggs in them |
| 21:51.50 | Freddy | :D |
| 21:51.54 | Freddy | PQ buff seems worthy |
| 21:51.58 | pewpewarrows | makes reading hundreds of lines of patch notes much more enjoyable |
| 21:52.00 | Freddy | now it's +500max |
| 21:52.03 | pewpewarrows | yep |
| 21:52.19 | Freddy | lots of talisman crafting notes |
| 21:52.22 | Freddy | so i'm guessing it's in now |
| 21:52.23 | pewpewarrows | quest tracker reskin was much needed |
| 21:52.23 | Freddy | :() |
| 21:52.34 | smcn | "tome quests" i remember that being mentioned like 2 years ago :o |
| 21:52.44 | pewpewarrows | yeh |
| 21:52.54 | pewpewarrows | that was what I was really looking forward to |
| 21:52.57 | pewpewarrows | is finding my own quests |
| 21:53.02 | pewpewarrows | that no questgiver can give me |
| 21:53.08 | Freddy | Deleting a mount from inventory or placing it in the bank will now cause the player to be dismounted. |
| 21:53.10 | Freddy | lol |
| 21:53.17 | Freddy | wonder how long it woulda taken us to figure that out |
| 21:53.50 | Freddy | i found some hidden quests in PW |
| 21:53.58 | Freddy | guess there'll be like 3x as much now with ToK quests |
| 21:54.11 | pewpewarrows | Attempting to inspect a player when the inspection window is already open will no longer cause the inspection window to cry. |
| 21:54.14 | pewpewarrows | win |
| 21:54.17 | Daegalus | oh joy, mass improvements to the UI |
| 21:54.21 | Daegalus | this will be horror for us modder |
| 21:54.29 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 21:54.34 | pewpewarrows | I wonder how much they broke |
| 21:54.35 | pewpewarrows | or added |
| 21:54.36 | Freddy | lol |
| 21:54.49 | Freddy | they probably broke a whole lot |
| 21:54.52 | Freddy | but nothing too substancial |
| 21:54.56 | Freddy | that's your job to fix |
| 21:54.56 | Freddy | GO! |
| 21:55.26 | Freddy | We've improved our texture management system to further reduce texture blurriness problems reported by some users. |
| 21:55.28 | Freddy | great |
| 21:56.07 | Daegalus | those patch notes were full of so much win, its not even funny |
| 21:56.25 | Freddy | i laughed |
| 21:56.31 | Freddy | because i was so excited |
| 21:56.31 | Freddy | :p |
| 21:56.34 | smcn | and cried? ;P |
| 21:56.57 | Freddy | not yet |
| 21:57.04 | Freddy | i was brought close to tears though |
| 21:57.20 | Freddy | At Realm Rank 80, players will receive a passive buff which gives them a bonus to every Mastery Path as if they spent one point in each path. |
| 21:57.23 | Freddy | what is realm rank |
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| 21:57.41 | smcn | realm rank is realm rank |
| 21:57.44 | Freddy | so like |
| 21:57.47 | Freddy | your cities stars? |
| 21:57.47 | Freddy | or what |
| 21:57.57 | smcn | er, renown rank |
| 21:58.01 | smcn | probably |
| 21:58.07 | smcn | realm rank = daoc i think :P |
| 21:58.09 | Freddy | yea i figured it was a typo |
| 21:58.11 | Freddy | lol |
| 21:58.18 | smcn | can't get their games straight |
| 21:58.21 | Freddy | cuz itw as right after this: |
| 21:58.25 | Freddy | Players will automatically get an extra Mastery Point at Renown Ranks 40, 50, 60 and 70. This brings the total number of Mastery Points a career can earn to 29. |
| 21:58.33 | Freddy | so i figured it meant renown |
| 21:58.33 | Freddy | xD |
| 21:58.40 | pewpewarrows | yep, every single issue I raised in my review on WHA got addressed |
| 21:58.49 | Freddy | they wanted to make you happy |
| 21:58.50 | Freddy | :p |
| 21:58.50 | pewpewarrows | except for the need for more crafting profs |
| 21:58.52 | pewpewarrows | but I guess that can wait till post launch |
| 21:59.03 | smcn | so, with chrome i got into an optimization fit and started looking for replacements for my most-used apps, i'll say 1by1 is an awesome mp3 player |
| 21:59.06 | pewpewarrows | the extra AP for high RR is an interesting addition |
| 21:59.18 | pewpewarrows | smcn, I use VLC and Songbird |
| 21:59.23 | pewpewarrows | for any multimedia needs |
| 21:59.44 | pewpewarrows | I mean, I'd really like to see a recipe-less blacksmith and armorsmith professions |
| 21:59.47 | Freddy | i use VLC cuz i just stream all music |
| 21:59.56 | Freddy | pewpew: teach them how to do it |
| 21:59.59 | Freddy | and you may see it in a patch |
| 21:59.59 | Freddy | :D |
| 22:00.07 | pewpewarrows | and a recipe-less engineering profession |
| 22:00.12 | pewpewarrows | that would make siege weapons |
| 22:00.13 | Freddy | lol that would be pro |
| 22:00.17 | pewpewarrows | and gadgets on cooldown |
| 22:00.32 | pewpewarrows | and make trophies or w/e |
| 22:00.32 | Freddy | i'd love to se engineering |
| 22:00.37 | Freddy | how would it fit with current gathereing though |
| 22:00.37 | Freddy | ;( |
| 22:02.01 | smcn | "Players from opposing realms will no longer be able to understand each other in /say." hopefully it's not just obsfucation like wow, seeing "HA HA ANAL" got old /before/ the first time i saw it :P |
| 22:02.30 | pewpewarrows | Freddy, breaking down old siege weapons |
| 22:02.31 | Freddy | lol |
| 22:02.37 | pewpewarrows | or something else, idk |
| 22:02.39 | Freddy | nice |
| 22:02.53 | Freddy | so basically killing those orcapults etc in the wild |
| 22:02.55 | Freddy | is worth something |
| 22:02.55 | Freddy | ! |
| 22:03.13 | Freddy | guild taverns @the herald look good to |
| 22:03.14 | Freddy | too |
| 22:03.29 | Daegalus | Chrome = Godly. all i can say |
| 22:03.40 | pewpewarrows | bah, the shitstorm on WHA over the open rvr rules is gonna be hectic |
| 22:03.42 | Freddy | i'm sticking to firefox |
| 22:03.53 | Freddy | until chrome gets more features |
| 22:03.56 | Freddy | =) |
| 22:04.02 | pewpewarrows | Daegalus, have you found a link to the source yet? |
| 22:04.06 | pewpewarrows | I can't seem to find it |
| 22:04.15 | Daegalus | might not be up yet |
| 22:04.31 | smcn | pewpewarrows: take bets on number of threads/posts anti-modding vs anti-open rvr :P |
| 22:04.42 | Daegalus | pew pew: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/09/02/google-unveils-chrome-source-code-and-linux-port |
| 22:04.44 | Daegalus | gogle is yoru friend |
| 22:04.49 | Daegalus | all i did was a google search |
| 22:05.27 | Freddy | lol |
| 22:05.33 | Freddy | google is your friend for givin u source code |
| 22:05.33 | Freddy | :D |
| 22:07.43 | Daegalus | I think google will become the internet in a few years |
| 22:07.56 | Freddy | lol |
| 22:08.00 | Freddy | they already are like 60% of it |
| 22:08.09 | Freddy | hm |
| 22:08.16 | Freddy | were there no patch notes for runepriest? |
| 22:08.39 | Daegalus | there are |
| 22:09.04 | Daegalus | Runepriest |
| 22:09.06 | Daegalus | *Rune of Cleansing: This ability now removes one Curse or Ailment from the Runepriest's target. |
| 22:09.08 | Daegalus | *All Master Runes are now placeable ground target effects with 30 second cool downs and 30 second durations. |
| 22:09.09 | Daegalus | *Rune of Warding: This ability now only affects Corporeal Resist. |
| 22:09.11 | Daegalus | *Rune of Shielding: This ability is now instant cast, but has a 20 second cool down. |
| 22:09.13 | Daegalus | *Regenerative Shielding: This ability's tooltip now mentions that armor boost will also ignore armor penetration from attacks. |
| 22:09.14 | Daegalus | *Ancestor's Blessing: This ability's tooltip now mentions that this ability will not affect the caster. |
| 22:09.16 | Daegalus | *Rune of Nullification: Now mentions debuff duration. |
| 22:09.18 | Daegalus | *Spec Tactics are now properly classified as Spec tactics. |
| 22:09.20 | Daegalus | *Rune of Shielding: The cool down of this ability has increased to 20 seconds as originally intended. |
| 22:09.21 | Daegalus | *Rune of Preservation and Concussive Runes: These abilities will no longer stack with other De-taunts. |
| 22:09.29 | Freddy | hmm |
| 22:09.46 | Freddy | aww@rune of shielding :( |
| 22:11.28 | ghostfish | Chrome is open source |
| 22:11.33 | ghostfish | or at least will be soon |
| 22:11.36 | ghostfish | so that's ok |
| 22:11.49 | ghostfish | but yeah, in terms of data and services, google is the internet |
| 22:12.25 | Daegalus | Ghostifsh: it already is |
| 22:12.28 | Daegalus | dev.chromium.org |
| 22:12.38 | pewpewarrows | it's only ver 0.2 |
| 22:12.50 | pewpewarrows | <3 open source |
| 22:13.28 | Daegalus | ya i just opened my about screen. |
| 22:13.30 | Daegalus | thats epic |
| 22:13.55 | pewpewarrows | mozilla ubiquity and google chrome all in the same week |
| 22:13.59 | pewpewarrows | this... has gone well |
| 22:14.21 | pewpewarrows | chrome starts in half a second |
| 22:15.50 | Daegalus | O.o holy. it does lod fast. Almost instant |
| 22:16.22 | Daegalus | well brb, shower |
| 22:17.08 | DarkTrooper | does it support saving tabs in multi window setups over sessions painlssly? |
| 22:17.22 | smcn | in options |
| 22:17.30 | smcn | on startup: "restore the pages that were open last" |
| 22:17.46 | smcn | not sure it goes for more than one window |
| 22:17.49 | DarkTrooper | ya, but most browsers only support one window to do that too :) |
| 22:18.05 | DarkTrooper | FF3 supports multiple only if you close a certain way :) |
| 22:18.15 | Freddy | >.< |
| 22:18.19 | Freddy | i can't middle click to scroll |
| 22:18.25 | Freddy | i have to scroll by scrolling |
| 22:18.32 | smcn | l2mousewheel? :P |
| 22:18.35 | Freddy | i use it |
| 22:18.38 | Freddy | i just use both |
| 22:18.39 | Freddy | :P |
| 22:18.54 | Freddy | much easier to just middle click for long pages |
| 22:18.59 | Daegalus | ya middle click scrolling doesnt work |
| 22:20.19 | Daegalus | Folks, |
| 22:20.21 | Daegalus | It really is pretty simple. The patch notes that were erroneously posted by GOA are from a version that is still in testing. This is not the version that will go to the Open Beta as we expect to make changes to it based on our Elder testers feedback as well as internal testing here. Because things will change with the version before it goes into Open Beta, it makes no sense to post these... |
| 22:20.22 | Daegalus | ...notes yet. Also, posting these notes is prohibited by the Beta Testing Agreement (as has been already pointed out here) for our Elder testers. |
| 22:20.24 | Daegalus | Mark |
| 22:20.25 | Daegalus | P.S. And while we think the patch notes were great (certainly impressive from their length and breath alone), we don't want to post notes that could change within a day or two. |
| 22:20.27 | Daegalus | i was so right |
| 22:20.48 | Freddy | for our Elder testers. |
| 22:20.48 | Freddy | :p |
| 22:21.48 | Daegalus | ok its says the NOTES are PROHIBITED |
| 22:21.56 | Daegalus | doesnt matter if you are elder or not |
| 22:22.02 | Daegalus | its like the NDA before |
| 22:22.06 | Daegalus | jsut cause you arent under it |
| 22:22.06 | Freddy | it |
| 22:22.09 | Daegalus | the material you post is |
| 22:22.11 | Freddy | look |
| 22:22.12 | Freddy | it says |
| 22:22.18 | Freddy | prohibitted for our elder testers |
| 22:22.37 | Daegalus | Ok then why did Mark go to every freaking website and ask all the admins to remove it because it was a BTA Violation to have the notes outside the testing? |
| 22:22.39 | Freddy | so basically it's the elder tester that gave it to us's fault |
| 22:22.42 | DarkTrooper | so where were these notes posted? |
| 22:23.00 | Freddy | i was lookin @ gfaq |
| 22:23.01 | Freddy | :p |
| 22:23.17 | Daegalus | mark just asked the WHA admins to remove all references to teh notes |
| 22:23.25 | Daegalus | he did it for other WAR fansites |
| 22:23.31 | Daegalus | GOA took them down |
| 22:23.36 | Freddy | i get that |
| 22:23.37 | Freddy | :) |
| 22:23.47 | DarkTrooper | damnit, i'm always late to the party |
| 22:23.50 | Daegalus | ok, im just saying how the BTA and NDA work. |
| 22:24.10 | Daegalus | i worked for EA, i had to sign a 30 page NDA that if i broke can get sued |
| 22:24.22 | Daegalus | anyways |
| 22:24.37 | Freddy | =) |
| 22:24.56 | Daegalus | afk, shower. and PM darktrooper the link to them, but anything public is off limits for the posts. |
| 22:25.07 | Freddy | fineee |
| 22:25.42 | Freddy | chat con mi darktrooper |
| 22:42.51 | DarkTrooper | bbl myself, errends to run this morning |
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| 23:08.09 | Daegalus | back |
| 23:11.00 | Freddy | hola daeg |
| 23:11.12 | Freddy | i just burnt me some chicken tenders |
| 23:11.13 | Freddy | :p |
| 23:19.50 | Daegalus | ya, i just go back subway |
| 23:19.55 | Daegalus | got me a big sandwich |
| 23:20.05 | Daegalus | well im already done with it but ya |
| 23:20.30 | Freddy | :D |
| 23:20.32 | Freddy | i has |
| 23:20.33 | Freddy | chicken |
| 23:20.43 | Freddy | it's like black but doesn't taste burnt |
| 23:20.47 | Freddy | crazy l33t frying skillz |
| 23:22.37 | `Zypher[2] | ahhh lol |
| 23:22.43 | `Zypher[2] | chromey chrome chrome |
| 23:22.43 | Freddy | zyphe |
| 23:22.48 | Freddy | you're so behind |
| 23:22.50 | `Zypher[2] | Freddy: |
| 23:22.52 | Freddy | we've all upgraded |
| 23:22.53 | Freddy | :p |
| 23:22.56 | `Zypher[2] | I just woke up |
| 23:23.00 | Freddy | g'mornin |
| 23:23.24 | Zote | lol |
| 23:23.55 | Daegalus | chrome wins over 9000 internets |
| 23:24.02 | Freddy | more features |
| 23:24.05 | Freddy | and i'll do a full upgrade |
| 23:24.12 | Freddy | and iwant click scroll! |
| 23:24.16 | Freddy | QQ |
| 23:24.20 | Daegalus | i already uninstalled Firefox |
| 23:24.20 | `Zypher[2] | chrome is awesome! |
| 23:24.24 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:24.27 | Freddy | i has both |
| 23:24.28 | Freddy | :"D |
| 23:24.39 | Daegalus | click scroll will be in later, remember this is version 0.2 |
| 23:24.40 | `Zypher[2] | hows it web standards wise tho? |
| 23:24.52 | Daegalus | i think the highest right now is 82 on Acide3 |
| 23:24.52 | Freddy | i know daeg |
| 23:24.54 | Daegalus | acid3 |
| 23:25.02 | Freddy | i said i'm jus tnot doin a full upgrade yet |
| 23:25.03 | Freddy | :p |
| 23:25.17 | Freddy | love how the new tab thing has your most visited pages |
| 23:25.18 | Freddy | and stuff |
| 23:25.33 | Daegalus | its using WebKit, and since safari 4 can get 99%, im sure chrome will in no time |
| 23:26.08 | Freddy | hmmm |
| 23:26.12 | Freddy | the download manager is nice lookin |
| 23:26.14 | Freddy | very unintrusive |
| 23:27.13 | Daegalus | thought one thing i cant find |
| 23:27.18 | Daegalus | is the process manager for Chrome |
| 23:27.35 | Freddy | hmm? |
| 23:27.39 | Daegalus | nvm |
| 23:27.41 | Daegalus | im an idiot |
| 23:27.43 | `Zypher[2] | theres no addblock plus tho |
| 23:27.44 | `Zypher[2] | :( |
| 23:27.57 | Freddy | lol true |
| 23:28.01 | Daegalus | Zypher: you are not the first to say that, give it a week |
| 23:28.03 | Daegalus | jeez |
| 23:28.19 | Daegalus | also the way Chrome handles popups is amazing |
| 23:29.03 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:29.16 | Freddy | task manager has a button called "Stats for nerds" |
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| 23:30.13 | Freddy | * `Zypher (n=Zypher@adsl-69-109-175-89.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #waruidev |
| 23:30.33 | `Zypher | yes |
| 23:30.36 | Freddy | lol closing all tabs closes the browser |
| 23:30.37 | Daegalus | google has achieved the ultimate win. They have made the best browser in the world. Ive been waiting for something like this for ages |
| 23:31.20 | Daegalus | omg, it even fixed my flash sound issues!!!! |
| 23:31.21 | Daegalus | epic win |
| 23:33.12 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:33.40 | Freddy | it highlights way to much |
| 23:33.42 | Freddy | when you select stuff |
| 23:33.43 | Freddy | :( |
| 23:35.15 | Daegalus | nah, just gotta get used to it |
| 23:35.28 | Freddy | no |
| 23:35.34 | Freddy | it deff highlights too much:P |
| 23:35.41 | Freddy | it goes all the way to the end of the line instead of to end nof text |
| 23:40.40 | `Zypher[2] | I miss my home button :( |
| 23:41.00 | ckknight | I wish I could play with Chrome :-( |
| 23:41.23 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:41.24 | Freddy | windows ftw |
| 23:41.25 | Freddy | :p |
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| 23:41.31 | Freddy | meh zypher |
| 23:41.37 | Freddy | i've been usin alt+home for a while now |
| 23:41.38 | Freddy | :) |
| 23:42.11 | Freddy | the browser has some issues on 120dpi :( |
| 23:42.58 | ckknight | why windows ftw? |
| 23:43.12 | Freddy | no reason |
| 23:43.17 | Freddy | just cuz you can't mess with chrome |
| 23:43.18 | Freddy | i'm sayin it :P |
| 23:43.27 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:43.42 | ckknight | they'll release a Mac version soon enough, I'm sure |
| 23:44.09 | Daegalus | they said only 1-2 more days for Mac |
| 23:44.11 | Daegalus | i think |
| 23:44.18 | Daegalus | so you wont be left out for long ck |
| 23:44.27 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:44.29 | ckknight | I use Opera now |
| 23:44.33 | Daegalus | though, you can alwyas boot up a windows with bootcamp and try it out there |
| 23:44.44 | ckknight | yea, but I'd have to reboot |
| 23:44.44 | Daegalus | i never liked opera |
| 23:44.46 | Daegalus | dunno why |
| 23:45.00 | `Zypher | ckknight: my buddy is mad because he can't use it :P |
| 23:45.02 | Daegalus | but chrome, god im still hyped about it and its alreayd out O.o |
| 23:45.04 | `Zypher | mac losers imo. |
| 23:45.05 | ckknight | I like its memory + cpu usage much better than Firefox |
| 23:45.28 | Daegalus | eh, i already uninstalled FF |
| 23:45.32 | smcn | lol |
| 23:46.30 | `Zypher[2] | wow |
| 23:46.31 | ckknight | and I don't like Safari since it has no full-page zoom, which is important for me |
| 23:46.34 | `Zypher[2] | downloads are awesome. |
| 23:46.54 | `Zypher[2] | ckknight: chrome doesn't zoom :P |
| 23:47.01 | ckknight | fucking a |
| 23:47.03 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:47.04 | ckknight | I can't use it, then |
| 23:47.25 | `Zypher[2] | ckknight: why do you need zoom? |
| 23:47.29 | Freddy | zoom is pro! |
| 23:47.43 | ckknight | `Zypher[2]: because the normal 100% isn't good on my eyes |
| 23:47.44 | `Zypher[2] | for what? |
| 23:47.48 | ckknight | I need about 125% |
| 23:47.59 | `Zypher[2] | ckknight: couldn't you just increase the font size? |
| 23:48.12 | ckknight | no, since it fucks up the rest of the page usually |
| 23:48.20 | ckknight | things just look pretty bad |
| 23:48.20 | `Zypher[2] | suck |
| 23:48.22 | `Zypher[2] | sucks* |
| 23:48.32 | ckknight | I know WebKit added full page zoom support... |
| 23:48.47 | `Zypher[2] | ckknight: I guess its planned but its not in atm |
| 23:50.45 | tronned | How can I reference a table in one mod from another? |
| 23:51.05 | Freddy | ModName.(table) |
| 23:51.09 | Freddy | o.O |
| 23:51.48 | tronned | Sorry, having an off-day :( |
| 23:51.52 | Freddy | nah |
| 23:52.01 | Freddy | you're deff on top of things today |
| 23:52.01 | Freddy | :D |
| 23:53.03 | tronned | hm? |
| 23:57.06 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:57.08 | Freddy | i'm jk |
| 23:57.09 | Freddy | anyways |
| 23:57.11 | Freddy | my chrome just crashed |
| 23:57.18 | Freddy | lol |
| 23:57.24 | Freddy | it's like omg i can't use plugin |
| 23:57.25 | Freddy | crash |
| 23:57.27 | Freddy | :( |
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