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| 00:30.01 | d33d | :D |
| 00:30.30 | herlo | d33d: hi |
| 00:30.39 | herlo | http://sysadminpedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Automation <-- shalkie check out thsi page :) |
| 00:30.41 | d33d | herlo, hi |
| 00:30.45 | herlo | d33d: so |
| 00:31.04 | herlo | if you put [[Category:Automation]] that won't work on the main page, right? |
| 00:31.21 | d33d | not sure. |
| 00:31.42 | herlo | well, think about that for a second |
| 00:31.46 | d33d | well - no it shouldn't because i would be applying the category "automation" to that. |
| 00:31.51 | herlo | right |
| 00:32.01 | herlo | so, there's a little trick with mediawiki |
| 00:32.07 | d33d | pipe? |
| 00:32.11 | d33d | idk. |
| 00:32.19 | d33d | it was a guess |
| 00:32.21 | herlo | almost |
| 00:32.28 | herlo | [[:Category:Automation]] |
| 00:32.32 | herlo | iirc |
| 00:32.34 | herlo | let's try it |
| 00:32.52 | herlo | let's d33d try |
| 00:33.15 | d33d | dang. |
| 00:33.16 | d33d | fail. |
| 00:33.31 | d33d | it works - but it has the word "category. |
| 00:34.10 | d33d | [[:Category:Automation|Automation]] is what i was looking for. |
| 00:34.20 | herlo | yes, sory |
| 00:34.22 | herlo | sorry |
| 00:34.47 | d33d | So this is saying take me to the Category:Automation and use this word "Automation" as the link name... |
| 00:35.03 | herlo | right |
| 00:35.08 | d33d | or something like that. |
| 00:35.16 | d33d | So do I do that for all of these pages on here? |
| 00:35.24 | herlo | yes |
| 00:35.56 | d33d | ok - and because automation is under Fundamentals - i can add it to the Fundamentals Category as well correct? |
| 00:36.19 | herlo | Also, you may wish to format the pages without the See also |
| 00:36.19 | herlo | [edit] References |
| 00:36.30 | herlo | External Links |
| 00:36.32 | d33d | so I'm creating a category for each "sub-page" but also giving it it's (what I'll call "parent category") |
| 00:36.32 | herlo | sections |
| 00:36.44 | d33d | ok |
| 00:36.50 | herlo | well, those are category pages |
| 00:37.03 | herlo | and on the category pages are the pages that live within that category |
| 00:37.33 | herlo | so, for Automation, you could fundamentally have Puppet, Cobbler, Func and a slew of other pages that can easily be accessed |
| 00:37.50 | d33d | right - I guess I'm talking about this: http://sysadminpedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Fundamentals |
| 00:37.58 | d33d | it doesn't include Automation. |
| 00:38.12 | herlo | it shouldn't since Fundamentals isn't automatino |
| 00:38.17 | herlo | these are categories |
| 00:38.19 | herlo | not tags |
| 00:38.25 | herlo | but a page could be in both categories |
| 00:38.36 | d33d | and should i think. so I add [[Category:Fundamentals]] to the automation page? |
| 00:38.41 | herlo | if it logically makes sense to do so... |
| 00:38.50 | d33d | eff idk |
| 00:39.05 | herlo | okay, no. Don't add the fundamentals category to the automation page |
| 00:39.12 | herlo | automation is *not* a fundamental |
| 00:39.13 | harleypig | oh, cool ... sysadminpedia is going in my bookmarks |
| 00:39.23 | herlo | harleypig: hehe |
| 00:39.31 | herlo | glad you like it. Help us make it better too :) |
| 00:39.37 | d33d | harleypig, it can't be on there unless you contrib. |
| 00:39.42 | d33d | harleypig, j/k |
| 00:40.00 | herlo | isn't leading, but d33d is right! |
| 00:40.04 | harleypig | I don't know enough to contrib ... I'll just leech for awhile |
| 00:40.05 | herlo | harleypig: you must help! |
| 00:40.12 | herlo | harleypig: yes you do |
| 00:40.17 | d33d | its just barely starting so any help i can get would be awesome. |
| 00:40.18 | herlo | al that crap you do in here |
| 00:40.26 | herlo | just post what you learn |
| 00:40.34 | harleypig | but, I ask in here because I don't know! |
| 00:40.37 | harleypig | :> |
| 00:40.55 | herlo | harleypig: sure, but once you have been helped, you should contribute it to sysadminpedia :) |
| 00:41.05 | herlo | because then you know |
| 00:41.15 | herlo | like the git crap we were doing teh other day |
| 00:41.20 | harleypig | ohh ... there's that whole 'giving back to the community' crap ... |
| 00:41.27 | herlo | lol |
| 00:41.33 | herlo | kicks harleypig in the nuts |
| 00:41.37 | harleypig | :D |
| 00:41.51 | harleypig | ok ok ok ... the git stuff is up on github under gitperms |
| 00:41.51 | herlo | d33d: so |
| 00:42.06 | herlo | think of it this way |
| 00:42.17 | herlo | categories contain pages |
| 00:42.29 | d33d | crap |
| 00:42.32 | d33d | i broke them. |
| 00:42.42 | herlo | generally speaking categories don't contain categories |
| 00:42.46 | d33d | wait. |
| 00:42.57 | herlo | d33d: we can fix it |
| 00:43.10 | d33d | no i didn't i just need them to have the corresponding categories applied to them? |
| 00:43.39 | d33d | did you copy and paste the syntax from "automation" to "Category:automation"? |
| 00:43.49 | harleypig | Here's a good example: http://wiki.openvz.org/Category:Templates |
| 00:43.58 | harleypig | It has both pages and subcategories |
| 00:44.11 | herlo | what is them? |
| 00:44.51 | d33d | herlo, on the main page - I now have "lost" pages because I made them into categories... |
| 00:45.00 | d33d | one sec. |
| 00:45.33 | harleypig | bummer ... the api isn't enabled |
| 00:45.41 | herlo | d33d: they aren't lost |
| 00:46.02 | herlo | you need to go to the 'special pages' link on the left |
| 00:46.09 | herlo | and click 'all pages' |
| 00:46.11 | herlo | they are there |
| 00:46.18 | d33d | right |
| 00:47.17 | d33d | dang i think this host may suck |
| 00:47.47 | herlo | stoopid opendns |
| 00:47.55 | herlo | changed his resolver to point to google! |
| 00:47.57 | herlo | much better |
| 00:48.02 | d33d | i might as well move it to a better one before it gets too big and time consuming to move stuff? |
| 00:48.07 | herlo | d33d: what's wrong with the host? |
| 00:48.18 | herlo | suggest prgmr.com to d33d for good pricing and stuff |
| 00:48.24 | d33d | ooo |
| 00:48.44 | herlo | d33d: so |
| 00:49.20 | d33d | herlo, page won't load now. |
| 00:49.32 | herlo | do you want the pages to be Category:Fundamentals:BlahBlah or Category:BlahBlah |
| 00:49.36 | herlo | d33d: loaded for me a minute ago |
| 00:49.47 | herlo | just nwo too |
| 00:49.54 | d33d | stupid internet. |
| 00:49.59 | harleypig | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110208/LOCAL/302089963 |
| 00:50.31 | harleypig | There is some controversey in naming a building after a well known and famous mayor of Fort Wayne Indianna |
| 00:50.42 | harleypig | famous locally anyway |
| 00:50.58 | d33d | I lived in Indiana. You just don't mess with Ft. Wayne. |
| 00:51.02 | herlo | d33d: you are doing it wrong btw |
| 00:51.20 | harleypig | d33d: so you know which mayor they're talking about? |
| 00:51.25 | d33d | herlo, omg what do i need to do then? im sucking it up |
| 00:51.37 | herlo | d33d: k, here's the problem |
| 00:51.42 | d33d | harleypig, unfortunately no - he must not have been "that" popular |
| 00:51.59 | harleypig | He served from the 1930s to the 1950s |
| 00:52.05 | herlo | you are createing [[category:fundamentals]] and [[category:backups]] in the page that is actually the category page |
| 00:52.28 | herlo | you *only* put category tags in pages |
| 00:52.38 | herlo | at least fornow |
| 00:52.39 | d33d | right... so its not like a tree structure? Parent, Child, Child, etc.? |
| 00:52.51 | herlo | it could be with sub-categories, but that gets confusing |
| 00:52.57 | d33d | true |
| 00:53.29 | harleypig | oooo ... The Register's headline is much funnier: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/09/fort_wayne_harry/ |
| 00:54.18 | d33d | lol |
| 00:54.29 | herlo | d33d: so, just make each of the links on the front page point to the [[:Category:CategoryName]] |
| 00:54.53 | herlo | then, for each page that gets created, just add [[Category:CategoryName]] as appropriate at the *bottom* |
| 00:54.56 | d33d | ok (let it be known that those headings were done by someone else) |
| 00:55.04 | herlo | what headings? |
| 00:55.06 | d33d | so lets talk about fundamentals. |
| 00:55.12 | herlo | the section headings on the main page? |
| 00:55.20 | d33d | == Fundamentals == |
| 00:55.25 | herlo | sure, I don't think fundamentals is the category |
| 00:55.31 | d33d | ok |
| 00:55.42 | herlo | well, at least it's not [[:Category:Fundamentals:Automation]] |
| 00:55.49 | herlo | it could be its own category, however |
| 00:56.08 | herlo | for each of those sections, it's just the category name, nothing more |
| 00:56.11 | herlo | cool, d33d ? |
| 00:56.58 | d33d | i think i understand |
| 00:57.20 | herlo | k, go do it and I'll proof it in a second |
| 00:58.35 | harleypig | so how come the api isn't enabled? |
| 00:58.43 | herlo | what api? |
| 00:58.49 | harleypig | the wikipedia api |
| 00:59.09 | harleypig | s/wikipedia/mediawiki/ |
| 00:59.26 | d33d | harleypig, on sysadminpedia? |
| 00:59.29 | harleypig | yeah |
| 00:59.53 | d33d | im not hosting...but im a superadmin, not sure i have access to turn it on? how would one do that? |
| 01:01.13 | harleypig | I don't remember of the top of my head ... it's something like EnableAPI someweher in the configuration settings page |
| 01:02.27 | harleypig | ah ... nm ...you have to be logged in to see it |
| 01:02.31 | harleypig | it's enabled |
| 01:02.36 | harleypig | http://sysadminpedia.com/api.php |
| 01:02.40 | herlo | harleypig is SMRT |
| 01:02.55 | harleypig | M-O-O-N that spells smart! |
| 01:03.59 | harleypig | Some Mentally Retarded Twit! |
| 01:04.09 | harleypig | Silly Man Really Tickles |
| 01:04.20 | herlo | exactly |
| 01:04.34 | harleypig | Slap Me Really Tangy |
| 01:04.52 | harleypig | Slice Me Real Thin |
| 01:05.06 | harleypig | Slick Rain Me Tinkle |
| 01:05.16 | d33d | brb - afk |
| 01:05.21 | harleypig | gahh ... I can't stop |
| 01:05.41 | harleypig | oh ... that last one is wrong |
| 01:05.50 | harleypig | Slick Me Rain Tinkle |
| 01:05.59 | herlo | d33d: checking your work :) |
| 01:06.09 | herlo | d33d: you fail! :) |
| 01:06.11 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.17 | herlo | why not? |
| 01:06.23 | herlo | Reality is *very* tasty! |
| 01:06.29 | harleypig | Start making Reality Twisty |
| 01:06.44 | goozbach | phah |
| 01:06.50 | harleypig | Slide Monkey Rally Tongue |
| 01:07.04 | harleypig | Slip Me Runny Tongue |
| 01:07.05 | harleypig | :> |
| 01:07.12 | herlo | Slick Mud Really Torques! |
| 01:07.32 | harleypig | Slippery Miss Really Tangoes |
| 01:07.48 | harleypig | Sloppy Meat Rancid Toes |
| 01:08.22 | harleypig | Skinny Mutt Runs Tangled |
| 01:08.52 | harleypig | Skype Mutt R Top |
| 01:09.44 | harleypig | I think I'm done ... |
| 01:09.56 | harleypig | sorry |
| 01:10.03 | harleypig | :] |
| 01:10.41 | harleypig | wait ... one more ... |
| 01:10.47 | harleypig | Sync Me Ribald Taint |
| 01:14.04 | herlo | Sloppy Manly Redhead Tongue |
| 01:14.29 | harleypig | eww ... the 'Manly' ruined that image ... |
| 01:14.41 | herlo | lol |
| 01:14.44 | herlo | you are welcom |
| 01:14.45 | herlo | e |
| 01:14.48 | harleypig | :D |
| 01:15.27 | d33d | herlo, no fair - it wasn't my fault! I'm so confused. |
| 01:17.02 | d33d | herlo, its all mucked up now. |
| 01:20.32 | herlo | lol |
| 01:20.45 | herlo | d33d: you should come over to B&B and we can work on it :) |
| 01:21.29 | d33d | i should...however - this very moment the wifey has my car -but she should be back sometime soon |
| 01:31.38 | herlo | d33d: well, if I am still here |
| 01:34.47 | herlo | d33d: if not, the best thing to probably do is look at other wikis and hwo they do their categorization and page organization |
| 01:34.56 | herlo | knows he'll be leaving semi-soon |
| 01:35.20 | d33d | herlo, can you check fundamentals (Automation to Monitoring) am i doing it right? |
| 01:35.28 | herlo | d33d: it looks like those are good |
| 01:35.40 | d33d | ok i think I'm following it now. |
| 01:35.50 | herlo | do you have pages that would be categorized underneath any of those categories?? |
| 01:37.37 | herlo | if so, we should add them too |
| 01:40.20 | herlo | d33d: ^^ |
| 01:41.14 | herlo | d33d: also, on this page http://www.sysadminpedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Check_Lists there is a link to the 'Automation' page, but it should really point to the 'Category:Automation' page |
| 01:43.17 | d33d | herlo, fixed :D |
| 01:54.40 | herlo | w00t! |
| 01:54.46 | herlo | d33d: feeling better about it now? |
| 01:54.54 | herlo | you have a lot of work ahead, btw |
| 01:54.58 | herlo | good stuff, though |
| 01:54.58 | d33d | herlo, yes moving right along... |
| 01:55.17 | d33d | yeah - no idea why i started this...well maybe I'll learn something along the way (already have!) |
| 01:55.33 | harleypig | d33d: is sysadminpedia your baby? |
| 01:55.40 | d33d | harleypig, si. |
| 01:56.28 | harleypig | kewl |
| 01:56.37 | d33d | harleypig, was reading reddit.com/r/sysadmin and realized there's no such wiki for sysadmins...a little immaculate conception and viola! sysadminpedia...? |
| 01:56.47 | harleypig | heh |
| 01:58.30 | herlo | d33d: nice |
| 01:59.02 | goozbach | d33d: I heard about it from http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2011/03/sysadminipedia/ |
| 01:59.05 | goozbach | cool |
| 01:59.22 | d33d | goozbach, yeah, i was happy that guy posted it. Woot woot. |
| 01:59.33 | d33d | showed up on planet sysadmin yes? |
| 02:00.23 | goozbach | d33d: yesh |
| 02:00.30 | goozbach | that's actually where I saw it |
| 02:00.39 | harleypig | yesh? been drikning? |
| 02:00.40 | goozbach | I un-subed from standalone when he joined the planet |
| 02:00.48 | goozbach | harleypig: it is 9pm on a thursday |
| 02:00.50 | goozbach | duh |
| 02:00.56 | harleypig | :D |
| 02:01.03 | goozbach | decides to brave the drumb sircle and drive home |
| 02:01.31 | harleypig | good luck |
| 02:01.34 | harleypig | drive fast |
| 02:01.54 | harleypig | if you go fast enough the cops will decide you're nt worth going after ... |
| 02:02.47 | d33d | how does one become Channel op of a channel? |
| 02:03.16 | d33d | I want to create #sysadmins on IRC and be an ChanOp ... how do i do this? |
| 02:03.26 | harleypig | I believe it's chanserv |
| 02:03.33 | d33d | ? |
| 02:04.05 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.26 | harleypig | You can register a channel there |
| 02:05.39 | d33d | sysadmins is already registered to freenode-staff. |
| 02:06.46 | harleypig | what's wrong with #sysadminpedia? |
| 02:06.51 | d33d | nothing |
| 02:06.51 | harleypig | other than the length |
| 02:20.39 | d33d | harleypig, any such url for wiki configuration? |
| 02:22.14 | harleypig | It's beena long time since I maintained a mediawiki ... is there something under http://sysadminpedia.com/index.php?title=Special:SpecialPages that links to a configuration page? |
| 02:23.00 | d33d | harleypig, not that i can tell / see |
| 02:23.27 | harleypig | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration |
| 02:23.59 | harleypig | but that's from the command line ... do you have access to the actual files? |
| 02:24.59 | harleypig | who's your host? |
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| 06:40.28 | herlo | shalkie: it works! |
| 06:41.28 | herlo | but I'm using socat, which is rad! |
| 14:01.00 | fugue88 | ~socat++ |
| 14:09.27 | sinuhe | Rad: now there's a word I haven't heard in years. |
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| 15:14.15 | shalkie | :-D |
| 15:14.34 | shalkie | herlo: Glad it works. That is some massive redirecting. |
| 15:15.31 | shalkie | Hooray for DNS hacks: |
| 15:15.43 | shalkie | dig +short txt <keyword>.wp.dg.cx |
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| 15:26.00 | herlo | sinuhe: you are welcome :) |
| 15:26.04 | herlo | sinuhe: rad! |
| 15:26.26 | shalkie | herlo: Well thats just swell! |
| 15:26.32 | shalkie | heh |
| 15:26.46 | shalkie | s/heh/hehe |
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| 15:32.22 | sinuhe | shalkie: Swell is a different era. Even I'm not that old. ;p |
| 15:33.07 | herlo | sinuhe: shalkie likes to act older than his age |
| 15:33.13 | herlo | still wonders why :) |
| 15:36.00 | shalkie | To compensate for my idiotic youthful behaviour? Just can't seem to peg it right. ;-) |
| 15:42.15 | shalkie | Or it could always be that I really AM that old but hide it very well... |
| 15:42.17 | shalkie | :-D |
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| 21:19.12 | shalkie | If my netbook was just a wee bit more powerfull I would probably use it for almost everything. |
| 21:19.25 | shalkie | As it stands twitter can cause me pains. |
| 21:21.57 | herlo | heh |
| 21:23.26 | shalkie | herlo: Your 13 incher is about right. Maybe a bit big... |
| 21:23.32 | shalkie | Certainly a bit more pricey. |
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| 23:06.18 | herlo | shalkie: 12.1, but who's counting? |
| 23:06.21 | herlo | :) me! |
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| 23:21.31 | shalkie | I was always told it wasn't the size that mattered, but how you used it. Thats why I went with a 15 instead of a 17. ;-) |
| 23:22.27 | herlo | haha |
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