IRC log for #utos on 20100816

00:31.31lcafieroherlo, ping
01:53.45herlolcafiero: hi
01:59.42lcafierohey, herlo -- just wanted to let you know I'm working on the release and should have it for you later/tomorrow a.m.
01:59.52lcafieropsa will take a little longer :-)
02:18.52herlosweet
02:18.58herlois working on presentation approvals now
02:19.00herlothx lcafiero
02:19.04lcafierojust keeping you up to date
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02:24.32herlothank you sir
02:24.44herlolcafiero: fugue88 is a good person to report to if I am unavailable
02:35.26lcafieroOK, thanks.
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03:10.26herlojosephnexus: ping
03:17.49josephnexusherlo: pong
03:18.08josephnexuspm me what you needed to tell me, I'm hanging out in the other room w/ my son
03:23.44herlojosephnexus: k, will do
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04:49.53look_herlo, when is the exibitors list for UTOSC going to be put up?
04:53.15herlolook: unknown
04:53.23herloas for presenters, very soon
04:53.39lookherlo,  curses, and yay.
04:53.56herlolook: why do you want to see the exhibitor list?
04:54.25lookherlo, i might be there to volunteer, and i just wanted to know because exhibitor is (usually before) the presenters
04:54.58lookherlo, so going with reason if the exibiters list will be on soon the presenters will be close behind.
04:55.35lookherlo, but in this case i guess not but thanks for the info, it is needed for plans
04:56.37herlolook: do you have an potential exhibitor??
04:57.03herloalso, I don't get your logic.  Exhibitor booths will be running throughout the conference as they did last year
04:57.25lookherlo, well....no...but i could see about finding one.
04:57.27herlothey run alongside the presentations (except keynotes and BoFs
04:57.30herlo)
04:57.35herlolook: cool!
04:57.37herlolet us know
04:57.43lookherlo, i will.
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14:31.51josephnexusherlo: super mega ping!
14:55.16harleypiganyone able and willing to help me with an apache conf problem?
15:03.25josephnexusi can try
15:12.29goozbachharleypig: shoot!
15:14.05harleypigI'm trying to make an alias work: http://pastebin.ca/1918165
15:14.27harleypigerror log says 'File does not exist'
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15:25.06goozbachharleypig: if you have a trailing slash on the alias, you have to have it on the destniation
15:25.18goozbachalias /mbp/ /some/dir/really/deep/
15:25.20goozbachvs
15:25.29goozbachalias /mbp /some/dir/really/deep/
15:25.36goozbachthis also works
15:25.40harleypigthat's what I thought, but the apache-manual alias doens't have that and it works
15:25.52goozbachalias /mbp /some/dir/really/deep
15:26.27harleypigmy conf file is here http://pastebin.ca/1918172
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15:26.38goozbachwhat does apachectl configtest tell you
15:26.42goozbachand httpd -S
15:27.23goozbachharleypig: and the /index.html file works?
15:30.30harleypigapache2ctl is http://pastebin.ca/1918171
15:30.41harleypigI'm not sure about your laste question
15:30.53harleypigI can't get the directory to load via the browser at all
15:39.31herlojosephnexus: pong
15:39.43harleypigI wonder if the tools or wiki config are somehow messing things up
15:40.18josephnexuscould be a permission issue on the directory the alias is bound to
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15:44.08harleypigjosephnexus: that's what I thought, but the specific directory has 0777 on it.
15:45.11goozbachharleypig: how about all the parent direcories
15:45.12goozbach?
15:45.31harleypigthey don't ... but I thought that didn't matter
15:45.40josephnexuswe don't need no security, just chmod 777 -R /
15:45.44josephnexus:P
15:45.46harleypigas a matter of fact, I know it doesn't
15:46.16harleypigbecause other files in my Dropbox directory are loading just fine, but the Dropbox directory itself is 0700
15:46.25goozbachyou have to be able to at least execute all parent directories to get to a folder
15:47.22harleypighrmm ... I mispoke myself ... not 0700, whatever rwxr-xr-x is
15:54.11Heartsbane755
15:54.33harleypigjust double checked ... the apache manual is in /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual and each directory is (thanks Heartsbane) 0755
15:54.40harleypigyet, the manual still loads.
15:55.03Heartsbaneblames Jayce^.
15:55.12harleypigwell, yeah, that's a given
15:57.41harleypigalso, owner and group are root for the manual and harleypig for what I'm trying to make work
15:58.00harleypigother files in my dropbox are user/group harleypig and they're loading ... I'm at a loss
16:00.07harleypigI've enabled the server-info module and the configuration output shows the alias as having been configured
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16:02.16GateOK, gotta ask. Other than newlines what is the difference between the two approval emails?
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16:33.04herloGate: uh, nothing just that one of them was in error
17:28.30Gate:) OK
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17:58.11Jayce^~lart Heartsbane
17:58.11infobot--purges Heartsbane
17:58.52fugue88~git reset --hard Heartsbane
17:58.52infobotACTION declares reset --hard Heartsbane a total smeghead
17:59.00fugue88hehe
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18:38.36Heartsbaneoh ya harleypig agrees with me and he gets nothing
18:38.39HeartsbaneFeh
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18:51.57harleypigHe already got me with http://www.coboloncog.com
18:52.11harleypigHe already got me with http://www.coboloncogs.com
19:19.51whiteingeWhy the eff is SLLUG meeting the same night Ignite is happening? Surely there is significant potential attendee crossover there.
19:31.01herlowhiteinge: because SLLUG meets that time *every* month
19:31.33herloIgnite is a *bit* less frequent and more random...
19:32.33whiteingebut I want to attend both. someone must be to blame!
19:32.43herlowhiteinge: you
19:32.43josephnexusblame hank
19:32.46herloand Canada
19:32.48josephnexusit's all hank's fault
19:32.51herloor Canadia, whichever you like
19:32.57josephnexushank lives in canada
19:33.02herloCanadia
19:33.09herloit's where Canadans live
19:33.16josephnexusah
19:33.19josephnexus:-P
19:33.25whiteingestupid hank and Canada  >:(
19:33.32herloCanadia
19:33.35herloget it right!
19:34.27whiteinges/Canada/Canadia
19:34.33whiteinges/hank/stupid hank
19:34.58herloindeed
19:35.03Jayce^Heartsbane: I broke his brain
19:35.06herlothanks whiteinge
19:39.38VogYou guys bitching about my Native land the true north strong and free?
19:40.06VogAnd Herlo... not all canadians live in Canada. :)
19:40.35herloVog: didn't say that
19:40.55Vog[13:33]<herlo>it's where Canadans live
19:41.08herloVog: indeed, I said Candans, not Canadians
19:41.15VogAhh....
19:41.27VogI was giving you typo credit
19:41.32herlono, it's not a typo
19:41.39herloCanadans live in Canada
19:41.49herloCanadians live in Canadia :)
19:42.06herloVog: therefore, Canadia must encompass more than Canada
19:42.09herlo:P
19:43.48VogI beg to differ. I am from canuckistan. Not Canadia.
19:44.04herloheh, that's just a different word for Canadia
19:44.28VogSigh... sez the utard.
19:44.47herloVog: it's Utard! get it right
19:44.59herlodon't fail to capitalize as appropriate
19:45.54VogImagines Herlo spazing out "I'm not ignorant I'm UTARDED!
19:46.08herlolol, you got me!
19:46.36VogThat's ok... I da ho
19:46.48herloindeed :)
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20:04.14GateI was once in the Getty with a friend who wasn't terribly bright.
20:04.42herloGate: as in the unix shell??
20:04.44GateHe quickly drew the attention of security due to his not maintaining... "proper distance" from the artwork.
20:04.59herlooh, the museum
20:05.17GateEventually security figured out that he was dumb and not malicious, so they started to mess with him
20:05.29herlonice
20:05.54GateAt one point a security guard said into their sleeve, so we could hear, "I've got a suspicious caucasian male"
20:06.20GateThen my poor, dear dumb friend, yelled at the top of his lungs in the Getty, "I'm not caucasian! I'm White!"
20:06.26herlolol
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20:14.19Vog..... what type of asian is a cauc?
20:14.33Vog:)
20:20.15lcafierois that a riddle?
20:20.59HeartsbaneJayce^: harleypig I haven't had time look @ it, I am assuming it is in Reader
20:23.29herlolcafiero: this channel gets a little 'nuts' from time to time
20:24.05lcafieroAh, then I should be right at home
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20:33.02herlohehe
20:33.58Gatelcafiero: And you just read a line very much out of context :)
20:34.45GateSigh, I hate estimating projects.
20:35.08fugue88Gate: Just guess.  ;)
20:35.10GateAny time I give myself enough time to get it done it seems like the estimate is ungodly high
20:35.38Gatefugue88: problem is I will be held to that guess
20:36.09fugue88Gate: Ah.  Give your guess as a probability-density function.
20:36.45fugue88http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boxplot_vs_PDF.png
20:37.07fugue88For bonus points, deliver inked on a napkin.
20:40.19herlonice!
20:40.30herlofugue88: hey, got a minute to chat in a pm?
20:40.36fugue88herlo: Okay.
20:57.23harleypigDo I need to use XSLT with XHTML? I'm trying to use a style sheet and it's not working.
20:58.57fugue88harleypig: Style sheet?  You mean other than CSS?
20:59.25fugue88Last I checked, IE didn't support xslt stylesheet transforms referenced from xml docs.  FF did.  Maybe that's all changed.
20:59.33harleypigfugue88: sorry ... yeah, a css file
20:59.52fugue88harleypig: Yeah, CSS should work just like in HTML.
20:59.59harleypigIn chrome or firefox this is not working: http://harleypig.com/mpb/chapter_00.xhtml
21:00.08harleypig...
21:00.17fugue88wrong content type, first guess
21:00.20harleypigfeh ... it's the *X* isn't it.
21:00.57fugue88harleypig: Also, you might have to have an attribute on the html tag...
21:01.18goozbachmeta in the document doesn't match
21:01.22fugue88And your meta tag overriding to text/html should be removed, prolly.
21:02.02harleypigserves me right for using a XHTML module to generate the cod
21:02.03harleypige
21:02.08fugue88harleypig: I've come to the conclusion that unless you have a very good reason to use real, bona fide XML syntax, you should stick with plain-vanilla SGML-based HTML.
21:02.58fugue88You might try `tidy -asxhtml ...` as a first pass, if you haven't already.
21:04.45fugue88harleypig: Also, even w/o a stylesheet, if you've got everything else for XHTML correct, it should render as an HTML document would, not an XML tree.
21:05.21harleypigso, I should save it as .html ?
21:05.40fugue88File extension doesn't matter.
21:05.59fugue88harleypig: http://validator.w3.org/
21:11.42harleypigapparently extension does matter
21:11.51harleypigchanged it .html and it workss now
21:15.25fugue88harleypig: Only matters if you're webserver is guessing content-type based on extension.
21:16.05fugue88*your
21:17.00harleypigah
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21:56.54Gateherlo: is that presentation list final enough that I can send it to my co-workers in an attempt to get them to commit to coming?
21:57.38herloGate: the ones that are there are solid, unless you were to cancel
21:59.30Gatesweet
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