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| 16:39.41 | herlo | morning |
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| 17:08.30 | bmac2 | ping herlo |
| 17:08.38 | bmac2 | did you get that stuff finished to be mailed yet? |
| 17:08.46 | herlo | no |
| 17:08.52 | herlo | haven't had time yet |
| 17:08.57 | herlo | too many other things to do... |
| 17:09.05 | herlo | will get to it next week probably |
| 17:09.06 | bmac2 | likely story |
| 17:09.10 | bmac2 | k |
| 17:09.18 | bmac2 | just not going to leave you alone until it is gone |
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| 17:09.36 | bmac2 | tired of our friend at the IRS |
| 17:09.37 | herlo | heh |
| 17:09.41 | bmac2 | we have played enough no |
| 17:09.42 | bmac2 | now |
| 17:09.51 | herlo | not arguing |
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| 18:06.07 | harleypig | you're playing with someone at the irs? sounds kinky |
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| 19:24.17 | ninnypants | what projects are going to be at hackutos? |
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| 21:03.25 | harleypig | http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130/9#9 Does this mean Mormon's believe in transhumanism? |
| 21:17.30 | blendmaster1024 | harleypig, depends on what "transhumanism" is, but if it means what i think it does, that's one way of saying it |
| 21:18.18 | harleypig | :] Discussion at work has had me thinking about this. |
| 21:18.37 | blendmaster1024 | it's not a really good way of saying it, but yes |
| 21:18.52 | harleypig | Wikipedia says transhumanism "support[s] the use of science and technology to improve human mental and physical characteristics and capacities." |
| 21:19.26 | harleypig | What do you mean by "it's" and "it" and why isn't it a good way? |
| 21:20.07 | blendmaster1024 | it's meant transhumanism |
| 21:20.19 | blendmaster1024 | it meant what we believe |
| 21:20.45 | blendmaster1024 | and the reason it's not a good description is because it's not our science that would be getting people there |
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| 21:21.45 | harleypig | transhumanism doesn't state it's *our* science ... just science (and technology in general) that would be helping to elevate us. |
| 21:22.00 | harleypig | And, why wouldn't it be our science? |
| 21:22.48 | harleypig | I realize I'm usually a smart ass, but I'm interested in a serious discussion on this. |
| 21:23.27 | blendmaster1024 | well, let's keep this in theory |
| 21:23.48 | blendmaster1024 | this IS what i believe, but i don't want to talk in the first person in this kind of a discussion |
| 21:25.53 | blendmaster1024 | but because they believe that it's obedience to the rules of reality (i command you not to jump off that cliff or you will die) that you get there |
| 21:26.03 | harleypig | Well, by its very nature this discussion would have to be theoretical. |
| 21:26.49 | blendmaster1024 | yeah, but i mean, let's not make it gospel vs thinker, let's make it gospel theory vs etc other theory |
| 21:27.04 | blendmaster1024 | i don't want it to go that direction, you know? |
| 21:27.28 | harleypig | ... For me, it's all gospel theory. |
| 21:27.50 | blendmaster1024 | uhm ... ok ... i don't think you get what i meant but ok :) |
| 21:28.07 | harleypig | Did you know that Brigham Young thought man would never get to the moon ... he thought it would be against natural law. |
| 21:28.24 | harleypig | No, I got what you mean. |
| 21:28.27 | blendmaster1024 | i doubt that ... should check it out though |
| 21:28.36 | blendmaster1024 | i should i mean |
| 21:29.58 | harleypig | yeah ... and googling for that makes me wonder of the truth of that. |
| 21:30.05 | harleypig | But my point remains. |
| 21:30.16 | harleypig | muddied though it is |
| 21:31.08 | harleypig | My statement about everything being gospel theory is that I believe truth is truth ... whether its the nature of man or the nature of the universe. |
| 21:31.13 | blendmaster1024 | well, i'm not trying to sell this through reason, but the way lds people think of it (well, the ones who think of it at all) is that the lds gospel is just the rules of reality for dummies |
| 21:31.24 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:32.38 | blendmaster1024 | so for instance the word of wisdom, one of their ... whatever-you-call-ems says not to drink tea or coffee |
| 21:32.47 | harleypig | tenets |
| 21:33.07 | blendmaster1024 | for lds people, that's a rule, of the kind that can be broken |
| 21:33.23 | blendmaster1024 | but that's a rule simply because it harms your body |
| 21:33.56 | harleypig | So you believe there are rules that cannot be broken, no matter how hard a person tries? |
| 21:33.56 | blendmaster1024 | which has been proven |
| 21:34.17 | blendmaster1024 | no, but that's because of the way i define "rule" |
| 21:34.40 | blendmaster1024 | "rule" means something that someone is told to do, or bad things will happen if they don't |
| 21:35.19 | blendmaster1024 | well not told, but .... informed? because you can find rules of reality - you can't jump off a big cliff and live most of the time - on your own |
| 21:36.08 | blendmaster1024 | and i can honestly say i don't know if there is anything that can't be changed no matter how hard you try |
| 21:36.36 | harleypig | so you differentiate between rule and law? |
| 21:36.42 | blendmaster1024 | yes |
| 21:36.52 | blendmaster1024 | well ... again, you have to define law |
| 21:37.20 | blendmaster1024 | but if law means something like a rule but that is not possible to break, then yes |
| 21:38.53 | harleypig | ok. I disagree, but I'm l istening. |
| 21:41.51 | blendmaster1024 | i've talked myself out |
| 21:42.03 | DexterTheDragon | define law: the collection of rules imposed by authority |
| 21:42.19 | blendmaster1024 | yeah, then no, rule and law are pretty much the same |
| 21:42.26 | blendmaster1024 | DexterTheDragon, see my msg |
| 21:42.31 | harleypig | Yeah ... that's why I was disagreeing. |
| 21:42.45 | harleypig | I don't believe there is any law in this universe that cannot be broken. |
| 21:43.06 | blendmaster1024 | harleypig, except the one about "there is porn of everything", one of the laws of the internet |
| 21:43.13 | harleypig | blendmaster1024: :> |
| 21:43.16 | blendmaster1024 | kind of sad that THAT would be the one |
| 21:43.50 | harleypig | except that's more of a maxim than a law |
| 21:43.56 | harleypig | even though it's called a rule. |
| 21:44.05 | blendmaster1024 | yeah ... wait, what? |
| 21:44.10 | blendmaster1024 | ;D |
| 21:45.24 | harleypig | but, back to my question of why wouldn't this crystal be build from our science ... |
| 21:46.09 | harleypig | and, ultimately, my question about mormons and transhumanism |
| 21:47.09 | blendmaster1024 | well, because it would just be the effect of fire, as i understand it |
| 21:47.18 | harleypig | *blink* |
| 21:47.19 | harleypig | what? |
| 21:47.20 | blendmaster1024 | i don't exactly understand what it means |
| 21:47.38 | blendmaster1024 | because the earth is made of a large amount of the stuff to make glass |
| 21:47.45 | blendmaster1024 | not ONLY that by any means |
| 21:47.48 | blendmaster1024 | but a lot |
| 21:47.52 | harleypig | oh |
| 21:48.00 | blendmaster1024 | and heat, those materials, that's glass |
| 21:48.09 | blendmaster1024 | so ... that's where that would come from |
| 21:48.49 | harleypig | you're forgetting the small but very important word "like" |
| 21:49.50 | blendmaster1024 | looks again |
| 21:49.50 | DexterTheDragon | harleypig: there is no literal crystal |
| 21:50.06 | harleypig | DexterTheDragon: really? why do you say that? |
| 21:50.21 | harleypig | v8 says: The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim. |
| 21:50.34 | harleypig | Sounds pretty concrete to me. Whatever its made of. |
| 21:51.20 | DexterTheDragon | This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants |
| 21:51.22 | harleypig | And v10 says the white stone will become a Urim and Thummim to each of those who recieve it. |
| 21:51.46 | DexterTheDragon | To me that means the earth will be perfect like a crystal |
| 21:52.24 | harleypig | The earth will definitely be remade, but not a crystal, but it will become a Urim and Thummim. |
| 21:53.20 | harleypig | So the earth will actually be made a tool of some kind, by whatever means. |
| 21:53.29 | harleypig | For the use of its inhabitants. |
| 21:53.55 | harleypig | But the tone suddenly changes from concrete to symbolic when discussing the white stone? |
| 21:55.33 | DexterTheDragon | well white stone refers to Urim and Thummim |
| 21:55.48 | harleypig | not initially ... it becomes one. |
| 21:55.53 | harleypig | And, it's still a tool. |
| 21:56.00 | DexterTheDragon | which Urim and Thummim isn't necessarily an object |
| 21:56.30 | DexterTheDragon | its more a phrase that means like truth, perfection ... |
| 21:57.22 | blendmaster1024 | i think urim and thummim refers to a kind of stone |
| 21:57.26 | blendmaster1024 | that can be used as a tool |
| 21:57.41 | herlo | ~kick you all |
| 21:57.42 | infobot | ACTION kicks you all |
| 21:57.46 | harleypig | :] |
| 21:58.09 | DexterTheDragon | would love to stay and chat, but I gotta jet |
| 21:58.19 | harleypig | ok ... and this comes back to transhumanism. |
| 21:58.25 | harleypig | DexterTheDragon: have fun |
| 21:59.10 | herlo | ninnypants never asks the question when I'm around |
| 21:59.18 | herlo | so I can never tell him what projects are going to be at hackutos |
| 21:59.32 | blendmaster1024 | who? lol |
| 21:59.40 | harleypig | doesn't nickserv have a jump function? |
| 21:59.50 | blendmaster1024 | no, but memoserv is a jump function |
| 21:59.52 | herlo | harleypig: what would jump do? |
| 21:59.59 | herlo | misunderstands |
| 22:00.10 | blendmaster1024 | /msg memoserv send USER memo from here on out |
| 22:00.39 | harleypig | memoserv, that's it. |
| 22:01.07 | herlo | blendmaster1024: and what would this be for? |
| 22:01.08 | harleypig | jump would jump on the user like a little kid as soon as they logged in. |
| 22:01.14 | herlo | oh, I see |
| 22:01.15 | blendmaster1024 | sending ... memos? |
| 22:01.26 | herlo | uses infobot for that |
| 22:01.37 | herlo | ~onjoin |
| 22:02.08 | harleypig | if it's a busy channel (or day, like my hijacking of this channel) it'll scroll of before he can see it. |
| 22:02.08 | herlo | ~onjoin ninnypants hey, check out http://hack.utos.org/projects if you want to know what is going to be at #hackUTOS - A Code Festival |
| 22:02.08 | infobot | herlo: ok |
| 22:02.22 | herlo | like that |
| 22:02.27 | harleypig | s/scroll of/scroll off/ |
| 22:03.29 | herlo | sure |
| 22:03.31 | herlo | I got that |
| 22:03.47 | herlo | could have required +v for this channel had he been around... |
| 22:04.09 | blendmaster1024 | what is +v |
| 22:04.12 | blendmaster1024 | ..? |
| 22:04.21 | harleypig | voice |
| 22:04.31 | blendmaster1024 | ahh |
| 22:04.33 | harleypig | people would have had to been explicitly allow to talk |
| 22:04.42 | harleypig | he would've op'd me -v :] |
| 22:04.47 | blendmaster1024 | xD |
| 22:05.12 | harleypig | But I keep things interesting :> |
| 22:06.02 | harleypig | In a horror movie kindof way |
| 22:09.57 | herlo | harleypig: lol |
| 22:16.41 | harleypig | http://xrl.in/55y6 This resolves the whole issue! |
| 22:17.59 | herlo | harleypig: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE |
| 22:18.19 | blendmaster1024 | harleypig, no it doesn't, because it wasn't an argument |
| 22:18.21 | blendmaster1024 | ;) |
| 22:18.28 | blendmaster1024 | gets food |
| 22:18.43 | harleypig | :D |
| 22:19.08 | harleypig | herlo: that's funny |
| 22:19.19 | herlo | :D |
| 22:19.33 | herlo | the other one is just as good |
| 22:21.46 | herlo | harleypig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpUrz9RvuPk |
| 22:22.07 | herlo | not quite as good I mean |
| 22:22.11 | herlo | but still good |
| 22:24.12 | harleypig | he's got a nice voice |
| 22:24.14 | harleypig | wait |
| 22:24.17 | harleypig | did I say that out loud? |
| 22:25.12 | herlo | lol |
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| 22:50.20 | blendmaster1024 | herlo, what is conman written in? |
| 22:51.01 | blendmaster1024 | and will it be ok to add projects on the fly, while we're there? say, for instance, we get a great idea for a project to start and start it then and there. |
| 22:51.11 | herlo | python/django |
| 22:53.06 | blendmaster1024 | yay |
| 22:53.21 | blendmaster1024 | sounds like the kind of thing that would actually be fun to write |
| 22:53.29 | blendmaster1024 | not php stuff |
| 22:55.42 | herlo | lol |
| 23:02.38 | herlo | great! |
| 23:03.06 | herlo | well, I'm off to buy snacks for #hackUTOS - A Code Festival tomorrow :) |