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| 18:36.33 | sontek | I wish irc had a 'like' button, like facebook does. |
| 18:36.41 | sontek | I would like fozzmoo's onjoin status |
| 18:37.01 | fozzmoo | :) |
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| 21:03.11 | Heartsbane | Lemonade!!! That is all |
| 21:06.38 | Jayce^ | sweet sweet lemonade! |
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| 21:07.03 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 21:10.37 | sontek | Heartsbane: Do you have grapes? |
| 21:11.17 | sontek | Heartsbane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q |
| 21:14.57 | Heartsbane | I want that 3 minutes of my life back |
| 21:15.36 | justincarmony | lol |
| 21:24.32 | justincarmony | is it sad... if I'm kinda liking Windows 7? :P |
| 21:25.24 | Heartsbane | not really It just means to skip every other release from Microsoft |
| 21:25.42 | unum | I'm not sure that works |
| 21:25.58 | justincarmony | Vista wasn |
| 21:26.03 | justincarmony | wasn't too bad :P |
| 21:26.18 | unum | 7 ok, vista bad, xp ok, 2000 bad, me ok, 98 bad, 95 ok |
| 21:26.28 | unum | ya anything that marks me as ok, is not ok |
| 21:26.30 | Heartsbane | Windows 98 okay, Windows ME BLOWS, XP Okay, Vista kinda sucked, 7 is alright |
| 21:26.42 | unum | I guess if you don't count 2000 as a consumer release |
| 21:26.58 | Heartsbane | shrugs. |
| 21:26.58 | Nafai | 2000 was the last Windows I seriously used |
| 21:27.01 | unum | ah ya you are skipping 2000 |
| 21:27.18 | unum | of course they seemed to have done so when coming up with the name windows 7 |
| 21:27.25 | unum | I stopped at 98 |
| 21:28.29 | justincarmony | lol, every time I try to switch from windows or mac to a linux distro, after 10 hours of frustration I typically switch back :P |
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| 21:30.17 | justincarmony | but the majority of my machines run linux :P |
| 21:30.25 | Nafai | justincarmony: I tried OS X for 6 months last year and I ran back screaming to Linux. Every time I have to touch Windows it sends me screaming back to Linux. :) |
| 21:31.03 | justincarmony | lol, I can't blame ya :P |
| 21:31.07 | Nafai | But then again, if I tried anything other than Debian or Ubuntu (Redhat/Fedora, Suse, etc) it would have the same effect, but for different reasons |
| 21:31.09 | justincarmony | All my servers are Linux based :) |
| 21:31.17 | Nafai | well, actually much of the same reasons |
| 21:31.30 | unum | ya, I'm the same an Nafai, anything other than debian and I start screaming profanities |
| 21:31.33 | Nafai | I find anything other than apt and debian or ubuntu repositories hard to maintain |
| 21:31.38 | unum | ya |
| 21:32.39 | justincarmony | I concur with that |
| 21:32.45 | justincarmony | I used to run a lot of CentOS |
| 21:32.54 | justincarmony | and when I had to manage a ubuntu server |
| 21:33.00 | justincarmony | I was like "Wow... it all... is here...." |
| 21:33.16 | Nafai | heh |
| 21:33.25 | fozzmoo | Linux is Linux is Linux. |
| 21:33.35 | fozzmoo | Use what you know best. |
| 21:33.56 | unum | sounds like someone who uses redhat |
| 21:35.00 | fozzmoo | unum: I've used and administered them all, Linux and Unix. |
| 21:35.10 | fozzmoo | Or very many of them, anyway. |
| 21:35.16 | unum | and probably administered your debian box like a redhat box |
| 21:35.25 | fozzmoo | I prefer Red Hat, but that's just me. |
| 21:36.14 | fozzmoo | unum: Debian (and its derivatives) have had great package management tools for years. I'm glad, because it motivated the Red Hat community to get its butt in gear, compete, and come up with something similar. |
| 21:36.48 | unum | but their repositories still suck |
| 21:36.52 | fozzmoo | The Red Hat community has come up with a lot of great tools for administering systems, many of which have been included in Ubuntu. |
| 21:37.38 | fozzmoo | unum: I beg to differ. For enterprise users, RHEL and CentOS and their third party repositories provide most of what admins want. |
| 21:37.42 | fozzmoo | For Fedora users, the same. |
| 21:37.50 | sontek | and then suse just perfected everything [: |
| 21:38.02 | unum | I like that "third party repositories" |
| 21:38.13 | unum | so like I said. RHEL repositories suck |
| 21:38.35 | fozzmoo | Yeah, if you're looking for the latest versions of desktop software, they do suck. |
| 21:38.45 | fozzmoo | But if you're looking for stable versions of server software, they don't. |
| 21:38.46 | unum | no I'm looking for sysadmin tools |
| 21:38.49 | unum | like etherape |
| 21:39.13 | unum | I think they added it now |
| 21:39.40 | unum | i used it as a server and have to constantly hunt down and install packages by hand |
| 21:39.58 | unum | packages that I am used to having on debian |
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| 21:49.01 | fozzmoo | Just checked on a CentOS5 box. etherape is available via the rpmforge repo. |
| 21:49.10 | fozzmoo | rpmforge, as a distro, does indeed suck. |
| 21:49.13 | fozzmoo | s/distro/repo/ |
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| 21:49.42 | unum | so I have to adda thirty party repo to get it? |
| 21:49.51 | unum | s/thirty/third |
| 21:49.52 | fozzmoo | Yes. rpmforge. |
| 21:50.03 | unum | ya, that sort of thing is what ticks me off |
| 21:50.06 | fozzmoo | I always add rpmfusion and rpmforge. |
| 21:50.21 | fozzmoo | But I usually demote rpmforge. |
| 21:50.26 | unum | other people told me never add third party repos to production boxes |
| 21:50.37 | fozzmoo | rpmfusion's stuff is pretty production-ready. |
| 21:50.41 | Nafai | unum: with a decent distro, you don't have to :) |
| 21:50.44 | fozzmoo | rpmforge's packages seem hacky. |
| 21:50.47 | unum | Nafai: my point exactly |
| 21:51.10 | fozzmoo | Nafai: Uh... you almost never want bleeding edge stuff in production. |
| 21:51.16 | Nafai | at mozy, the only non official repos we added were our own |
| 21:51.22 | Heartsbane | since when did this become #distro-compare |
| 21:51.55 | DexterTheDragon | Heartsbane: since you said what versions of windows were ok |
| 21:52.01 | fozzmoo | Heartsbane: I don't know. I was only saying "use what you know best." but these kids won't subside. |
| 21:52.24 | Heartsbane | DexterTheDragon: I like how you immediately made it a me thing |
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| 21:53.22 | Heartsbane | use what you are comfortable with, if it isn't in your repo of your distro, become a maintainer and get over yourself |
| 21:53.47 | peno | don't let him fool you, heartsbane has a weak spot for WinME |
| 21:54.14 | fozzmoo | What about WinCE? :) |
| 21:54.23 | Heartsbane | whatever |
| 21:55.12 | stderr | distro arguments and Windows hate in an open source channel?? WELL I NEVER. |
| 21:55.12 | Nafai | fozzmoo: You know I'm teasing, sort of, right? unum and I just know Debian best. And my attempts at running anything Redhat-derived have been failures. :) |
| 21:55.35 | fozzmoo | Nafai: Sure. |
| 21:55.46 | justincarmony | lol, I come back, and the channel is all alive with chatter :P |
| 21:55.50 | Nafai | I have a box in the corner running CentOS because supposedly it is the easiest to set up OpenVZ on |
| 21:56.07 | Nafai | But, man, I just want to replace it because I don't dare touch it for fear of breaking it :) |
| 21:56.40 | fozzmoo | justincarmony: welcome back. |
| 21:59.03 | justincarmony | thanks fozzmoo |
| 21:59.25 | fozzmoo | justincarmony: When's the next UPHPU mtg? |
| 21:59.38 | justincarmony | um, that is a good question |
| 22:00.35 | fozzmoo | Thanks! |
| 22:00.57 | macnewbold | fozzmoo: they're generally 3rd Thursday, so I expect it will be on the 19th this month |
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| 22:06.19 | carmony | huh, I'm kinda liking mIRC, the newest version :P |
| 22:08.41 | unum | blasphemy!!! |
| 22:08.59 | stderr | mIRC still has releases? |
| 22:09.23 | stderr | bizarre. |
| 22:12.24 | Nafai | wtf? |
| 22:12.25 | Nafai | wow |
| 22:12.42 | carmony | lol, I know! |
| 22:13.28 | fozzmoo | Remember Chatzilla? |
| 22:13.32 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Those were the daze. |
| 22:13.47 | Supaplex | <3's irssi moar |
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