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| 01:03.31 | Heartsbane | O rly? |
| 01:03.47 | herlo | yarly |
| 01:03.56 | Heartsbane | nowai |
| 01:04.17 | herlo | yawai |
| 01:04.41 | Heartsbane | R U SRS? |
| 01:05.29 | herlo | ya vry srs |
| 01:05.47 | Heartsbane | oh ok |
| 01:06.10 | herlo | :) |
| 01:07.23 | josephnexus | not again.... |
| 01:08.58 | herlo | lol |
| 01:55.18 | undertakingyou | t minus 5 minutes |
| 01:55.34 | Heartsbane | I am going to bed |
| 01:56.16 | undertakingyou | Well, before you head out any info you want to share? |
| 01:56.23 | undertakingyou | I will get those other four boxes for you. |
| 01:56.53 | Heartsbane | no just screwing around |
| 01:57.03 | undertakingyou | ok |
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| 01:58.20 | herlo | is here |
| 01:58.45 | supernovia | hi herlo |
| 01:59.03 | herlo | supernovia: hi |
| 02:00.45 | Heartsbane | Well |
| 02:00.49 | undertakingyou | well |
| 02:00.51 | undertakingyou | it is time. |
| 02:00.54 | undertakingyou | roll call? |
| 02:01.08 | undertakingyou | here |
| 02:01.21 | herlo | hi |
| 02:01.39 | herlo | msg justincarmony ping |
| 02:01.41 | herlo | oops |
| 02:01.44 | herlo | haha |
| 02:01.49 | Heartsbane | FAIL |
| 02:02.10 | undertakingyou | ok, so there is the three of us. |
| 02:02.20 | undertakingyou | well . . . hmmm. |
| 02:02.22 | herlo | cro might be around |
| 02:02.31 | herlo | give it a couple minutes... |
| 02:02.35 | Heartsbane | Well I am going to start |
| 02:02.42 | Heartsbane | if no one minds |
| 02:02.51 | undertakingyou | Yeah, start. |
| 02:02.53 | herlo | go :) |
| 02:03.07 | Heartsbane | k the XM thingie is fixed |
| 02:03.32 | Heartsbane | 2 or 3 of the machines that were given are not going to werq |
| 02:03.39 | Heartsbane | 2 we know of |
| 02:03.50 | herlo | k, I have two to replace it |
| 02:03.52 | herlo | them |
| 02:04.03 | undertakingyou | I have four others I can get. |
| 02:04.12 | undertakingyou | Again I have no idea if they will work. |
| 02:04.21 | Heartsbane | Well lets hear about them via email we will need to see them |
| 02:04.36 | Heartsbane | cobbler is good to go... |
| 02:04.44 | herlo | looks like 5 minutes and everyone should be here |
| 02:05.09 | Heartsbane | I haven't decided how to do the NFS shares on the workstations |
| 02:05.13 | Heartsbane | autofs |
| 02:05.22 | Heartsbane | nautilus |
| 02:05.29 | undertakingyou | autofs would be good. |
| 02:05.31 | herlo | Heartsbane: I can help with autofs, I think that's the best way |
| 02:05.35 | undertakingyou | That makes a lot of sense to me. |
| 02:05.42 | Heartsbane | k |
| 02:05.44 | herlo | just set up an nfs share on a server somewhere. |
| 02:05.50 | herlo | or we could do the scp to utosc.com |
| 02:05.58 | herlo | or some other machine somewhere |
| 02:06.10 | undertakingyou | We are on the same subnet, so no concern there. |
| 02:06.14 | Heartsbane | then the questoin is ... on the cobbler server do we want to make NFS mounts to images? |
| 02:06.42 | Heartsbane | just in case there are unforeseen issues with cobbler |
| 02:06.48 | herlo | not if you are just installing from cobbler. HTTP is as fast as NFS |
| 02:06.53 | cro | sorry guys, I'm here |
| 02:06.53 | herlo | probably more stable |
| 02:07.03 | Heartsbane | herlo: ya good point |
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| 02:07.42 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: I still need specifics on IP addresses if they are static to the room |
| 02:07.44 | bmac2 | pl |
| 02:07.54 | bmac2 | sorry, was held up in traffic |
| 02:08.27 | Heartsbane | and I want to coordinate all that with fozz. Do you want to set that up... or something else I am not seeing |
| 02:08.36 | Heartsbane | or should I set it up |
| 02:08.43 | undertakingyou | I can. |
| 02:08.46 | Heartsbane | or are you even paying attention |
| 02:08.49 | undertakingyou | Did you see Jame's email? |
| 02:08.55 | Heartsbane | oh ok |
| 02:09.04 | undertakingyou | He wants his guys and us to get together. |
| 02:09.22 | Heartsbane | I saw the one yes ... But which one of the 3 is heading it up? |
| 02:09.35 | undertakingyou | he is all three of their boss |
| 02:09.48 | undertakingyou | So we coordinate with him and go forward from there. |
| 02:10.08 | Heartsbane | k I will take your lead on that one |
| 02:10.15 | undertakingyou | very good. |
| 02:10.19 | Heartsbane | cause I want to get Lars there if possible |
| 02:10.24 | Heartsbane | and FINALLY |
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| 02:10.46 | herlo | Heartsbane: If you want Lars number I got it |
| 02:10.53 | Heartsbane | I think mindjuju has us covered on KVM, but herlo how are fixed for mic's? |
| 02:11.19 | herlo | have I become the defacto building rep now? |
| 02:11.28 | herlo | because in my mind, the SLCC has them |
| 02:11.39 | herlo | but I haven't verified |
| 02:11.46 | Heartsbane | herlo: lets wait for an actual walkthru dates on Lars number |
| 02:11.50 | herlo | I do have a few 1/8" cables we can use... |
| 02:11.59 | Heartsbane | that is why I am asking are they providing or are we providing |
| 02:11.59 | herlo | Heartsbane: nw on the # |
| 02:12.06 | herlo | doesn't know. |
| 02:12.25 | Heartsbane | We will have to figure that out next week |
| 02:12.29 | undertakingyou | cool any other information to share. |
| 02:12.30 | undertakingyou | ???? |
| 02:12.46 | Heartsbane | I am not wearing pants |
| 02:12.53 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 02:12.55 | herlo | Heartsbane: the SLCC staff is now there on Fridays |
| 02:13.04 | herlo | isn't wearing pants either fyi |
| 02:13.04 | undertakingyou | right |
| 02:13.13 | undertakingyou | no more pants comments. |
| 02:13.17 | Heartsbane | Well I am ... but I wanted to see how you would all react |
| 02:13.23 | undertakingyou | Next person to share information. |
| 02:13.32 | bmac2 | well we can't help it if jennifer has the pants in the family |
| 02:13.35 | bmac2 | not our problem |
| 02:14.29 | herlo | I have a few things to share, barry's comment notwithstanding |
| 02:14.34 | Heartsbane | DONE |
| 02:14.38 | cro | undertakingyou: are we going in alpha order? |
| 02:14.45 | herlo | wonders that too |
| 02:15.28 | cro | ok, I start with "c" |
| 02:15.29 | cro | so here I go |
| 02:15.30 | cro | :-) |
| 02:15.49 | bmac2 | I want to be last |
| 02:15.51 | bmac2 | so there |
| 02:15.58 | bmac2 | but someone go |
| 02:16.02 | bmac2 | please |
| 02:16.02 | cro | No word back from Spag Mama's yet, I will call her tomorrow again to keep that ball rolling |
| 02:16.24 | undertakingyou | cro: that is for the discount on drinks correct? |
| 02:16.28 | cro | Re: the confusing hotel rate, I can't get anything to give me $74/night, it's all $150/night now for our conference dates |
| 02:16.41 | cro | I have an email into Elizabeth to see where the $74 might have come from |
| 02:17.16 | cro | last question: Herlo, I'm working on the PDF, but I'm wondering what's the difference between the PDF and the printed program, and are we duplicating some effort here? |
| 02:18.01 | undertakingyou | good question. |
| 02:18.03 | herlo | cro: yeah, I was hoping mindjuju would be here |
| 02:18.10 | cro | darn, me too |
| 02:18.13 | herlo | so you two could coordinate that |
| 02:18.18 | herlo | I txtd him |
| 02:18.22 | cro | I'll email him |
| 02:18.33 | cro | I haven't known everyone long enough to have a handle on skillsets |
| 02:18.34 | *** topic/#utos by undertakingyou -> Utah Open Source - http://utos.org | UTOSC 2009 is just over two weeks away - http://sn.im/s2h3g |
| 02:19.21 | cro | but I could massage the stuff and spit it out in a format that could be helpful to him, I just don't know if he will do page layout in Word / InDesign, or what |
| 02:19.48 | undertakingyou | cro: will you email/ping/whatever and get ahold of victor on that? |
| 02:19.52 | herlo | I think he does it in InDesign, but I am not really wanting to know |
| 02:20.03 | undertakingyou | I see the printed program and the layout something you guys would work on well. |
| 02:20.07 | cro | me either, other than I don't want to create MORE work for him |
| 02:20.17 | cro | ok, I'm on it. |
| 02:20.23 | undertakingyou | sweet |
| 02:20.25 | herlo | let me shed a little bit of thought here if I may |
| 02:20.36 | undertakingyou | leans back. |
| 02:20.51 | herlo | the pdfs that you are creating are to be put on the website, not really print quality and really should be up there now |
| 02:20.57 | herlo | I think that's the biggest difference |
| 02:21.07 | herlo | gives people a quick layout of the land |
| 02:21.34 | herlo | might even be in html if you like |
| 02:21.46 | bmac2 | why can't the pdf be created FROM victor's stuff? |
| 02:21.54 | bmac2 | why does it even need to be done separate? |
| 02:21.55 | cro | I think just because we need it now |
| 02:21.56 | bmac2 | that makes no sense |
| 02:21.59 | herlo | http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale7x/conference-info/schedules |
| 02:22.01 | undertakingyou | pdf would be good that people can print. |
| 02:22.02 | herlo | look at that |
| 02:22.19 | cro | yeah |
| 02:22.19 | cro | right |
| 02:22.22 | bmac2 | we aren't scale |
| 02:22.26 | herlo | somethign along those lines woudl be what I am targeting. Kind of different from the printed program that victor creates |
| 02:22.26 | bmac2 | who cares what scale does |
| 02:22.28 | bmac2 | hump them |
| 02:22.33 | undertakingyou | bmac2: I think there is a difference between what we will hand to the printer and what we want people to be able to quick see and print. |
| 02:22.40 | undertakingyou | That is the big difference. |
| 02:22.44 | cro | I have to extract the text, do some processing on it, and when I get done it's in a great format for him to mailmerge into whatever he's doing layout |
| 02:22.44 | bmac2 | but |
| 02:22.48 | herlo | is done shedding thoughts |
| 02:22.54 | undertakingyou | steps forward. |
| 02:22.56 | bmac2 | a PDF can be created FROM the other stuff |
| 02:23.00 | bmac2 | instead of separate |
| 02:23.04 | bmac2 | not my thing |
| 02:23.06 | bmac2 | so whatever |
| 02:23.10 | herlo | cro: yeah, he was planning on using the rss too so I don't know |
| 02:23.19 | undertakingyou | I see your point bmac2, I hope you can see ours. |
| 02:23.36 | bmac2 | imho we are creating work |
| 02:23.40 | bmac2 | that is my only point |
| 02:23.45 | herlo | I will say that certain events aren't on the schedule |
| 02:23.46 | bmac2 | as long as it isn't for me |
| 02:23.48 | bmac2 | go for it |
| 02:23.49 | herlo | we can't really put them there |
| 02:24.06 | undertakingyou | We can further investigate this later. |
| 02:24.11 | herlo | utahcon and I hope to fix this for next year's conference along with some things bmac2 has requested... |
| 02:24.11 | undertakingyou | Lets table it for now. |
| 02:24.22 | undertakingyou | herlo: any other information to share? |
| 02:24.27 | herlo | not on that |
| 02:24.33 | undertakingyou | on anything? |
| 02:24.37 | undertakingyou | You are up. |
| 02:24.41 | herlo | sure, I always have tons |
| 02:24.58 | herlo | I am about 50% done with the attendee badge printing process, it's coming along nicely |
| 02:25.26 | herlo | I want to have a short training meeting for the volunteers (and anyoneon the core team) next Tuesday at about 6:30pm |
| 02:25.31 | herlo | just before the core team meeting |
| 02:25.58 | undertakingyou | where will that training be? |
| 02:26.02 | herlo | good questoin |
| 02:26.06 | herlo | where's the meeting going to be? |
| 02:26.17 | herlo | if you answer that, I think we know where |
| 02:26.25 | undertakingyou | Well, I liked the restraunt but it was hard to hear andbe heard. |
| 02:26.26 | herlo | I don't need the internetz so I am good |
| 02:26.30 | undertakingyou | So, thoughts from the group? |
| 02:26.38 | cro | Salt Lake Roasters, DT SLC, second floor |
| 02:26.49 | herlo | yeah, that's not bad there... |
| 02:27.00 | undertakingyou | I just want to hear people |
| 02:27.07 | herlo | was thinking food would be good |
| 02:27.13 | herlo | undertakingyou: in SLR you can hear |
| 02:27.18 | bmac2 | how about somewhere that is NOT a resturaunt |
| 02:27.21 | bmac2 | so we can here |
| 02:27.25 | bmac2 | hear |
| 02:27.33 | undertakingyou | MacCool's has half price aps on Tuesday. It is arestraunt though. |
| 02:27.37 | undertakingyou | We can do SLR |
| 02:27.41 | cro | they don't have full dinner, but they do have food |
| 02:27.58 | undertakingyou | I am ok with that. |
| 02:27.59 | cro | or the Library, we can get a room for free there, I'm not sure we can reserve it this late though |
| 02:28.08 | herlo | almost suggested that |
| 02:28.15 | bmac2 | you can reserve them 24 hours out |
| 02:28.19 | bmac2 | I have done it before |
| 02:28.21 | bmac2 | at the library |
| 02:28.27 | cro | must be the auditorium they want more lead time fro |
| 02:28.34 | bmac2 | I would really prefer some where without food and people |
| 02:28.41 | bmac2 | so we can hear and concentrate |
| 02:28.52 | bmac2 | but whatever |
| 02:28.59 | herlo | we can order food in |
| 02:29.07 | undertakingyou | And there is always BGM |
| 02:29.13 | herlo | maybe something besides pizza |
| 02:29.25 | undertakingyou | is not sure why herlo hates pizza. |
| 02:29.36 | herlo | I don't hate pizza, just tire of it |
| 02:29.41 | herlo | we have it a lot |
| 02:29.45 | cro | doesn't hate pizza, just has eaten a lot of it lately. |
| 02:29.48 | herlo | kind of like BBQ, not in the mood for a while |
| 02:29.58 | herlo | anyway, let's discuss this offline?? |
| 02:30.02 | herlo | so a training |
| 02:30.03 | undertakingyou | ok, food is a side note |
| 02:30.03 | bmac2 | I got a novel idea, we forego the food and stuff and make the meeting shorter? |
| 02:30.06 | herlo | 20 minutes somewhere |
| 02:30.17 | undertakingyou | all right. |
| 02:30.27 | undertakingyou | I am ok at the library or SL roasting. |
| 02:30.32 | herlo | I also got the ODF guys back on board a little... |
| 02:30.38 | undertakingyou | at SL Roasting there is beverage. |
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| 02:30.49 | herlo | I even got them to give me an abstract |
| 02:30.51 | undertakingyou | herlo: what do you mean a little? |
| 02:31.17 | bmac2 | more like a one hour presentation |
| 02:31.21 | bmac2 | instead of a long all day thing |
| 02:31.21 | herlo | well, it seemed scratched |
| 02:31.27 | herlo | so yeah... what bmac2 said |
| 02:31.43 | undertakingyou | ok |
| 02:31.45 | undertakingyou | that is good. |
| 02:31.53 | herlo | we're going to have marino marcich come out. probably sometime on Thursday, right bmac2 ? |
| 02:32.18 | bmac2 | the what? |
| 02:32.28 | bmac2 | wtf are you talking about? |
| 02:32.30 | herlo | undertakingyou: the SLCC thing seems to be bringing in a bunch, were now at 376 last check for attendance |
| 02:32.44 | herlo | bmac2: marino Marcich is th eODF guy |
| 02:32.54 | bmac2 | oh ok |
| 02:32.56 | bmac2 | yes |
| 02:33.02 | bmac2 | cut their all day down to an hour |
| 02:33.07 | herlo | yeah |
| 02:33.11 | undertakingyou | Very good |
| 02:33.17 | bmac2 | line up with the other speeches |
| 02:33.19 | bmac2 | as far as time |
| 02:33.20 | herlo | I'll let Barry tellthe knews about the BSD stuff |
| 02:33.21 | undertakingyou | ALl right, any other info to share? |
| 02:33.24 | herlo | yes |
| 02:33.34 | bmac2 | you tell the BSD stuff |
| 02:33.39 | bmac2 | you know more about it |
| 02:33.40 | herlo | okay |
| 02:33.44 | herlo | I don't really, but okay |
| 02:33.56 | herlo | so Barry is excited and I think a lot of other people will be too |
| 02:34.10 | undertakingyou | no more suspense |
| 02:34.12 | herlo | but the BSDA folks are going to hold a certification exam at UTOSC on Thursday |
| 02:34.12 | undertakingyou | spit it out. |
| 02:34.19 | undertakingyou | cool |
| 02:34.34 | bmac2 | $75 to get bsd certified |
| 02:34.36 | herlo | http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/142/ |
| 02:34.42 | herlo | there's all the info |
| 02:34.48 | bmac2 | are tehy going to do a class before it? |
| 02:34.54 | undertakingyou | Is this a test that could be just sat for or is there some prior corriculum? |
| 02:34.57 | bmac2 | and are they giving out what test they are giving? |
| 02:35.04 | herlo | bmac2: the GUBUG meeting is at 12:30 |
| 02:35.21 | herlo | bmac2: I think it's all on their site or our link |
| 02:35.23 | herlo | pls read |
| 02:35.26 | bmac2 | so we can brush up on the topics |
| 02:35.32 | bmac2 | k |
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| 02:35.50 | herlo | I am also going to be going and buying radios for us all |
| 02:35.54 | herlo | since that sucked last year |
| 02:36.09 | herlo | If anyone has suggestions on where to buy them, pm me |
| 02:36.35 | herlo | the folks from One-to-One interactive ordered the badge holders and lanyards today |
| 02:36.40 | herlo | shoudl be here by th 6th |
| 02:37.06 | herlo | I need to contact Julie about banners and how we can hang them vs them hanging them. |
| 02:37.11 | herlo | and we need to get our Liability Insurance |
| 02:37.18 | herlo | which I will probably do next week |
| 02:37.48 | herlo | PLUG and SLLUG are now in the mini-LUG setup |
| 02:37.56 | herlo | bmac2: Ryan couldn'tfind your email |
| 02:38.04 | herlo | I'll forward it after this meeting |
| 02:38.10 | bmac2 | k |
| 02:38.23 | herlo | I think that's probably it for me, but I reserve the right to add one or two more things at the end of the meeting |
| 02:38.40 | undertakingyou | rights waved |
| 02:38.49 | undertakingyou | hearts already went so . . . |
| 02:38.57 | undertakingyou | Jayce^: anything to share? |
| 02:39.00 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 02:39.14 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: are you sure? |
| 02:39.28 | Jayce^ | should I be taking my pants off too |
| 02:39.32 | undertakingyou | justincarmony: anything to share? |
| 02:39.35 | Heartsbane | LOL |
| 02:40.14 | undertakingyou | going once |
| 02:40.17 | undertakingyou | going twice |
| 02:40.27 | undertakingyou | sold |
| 02:40.31 | undertakingyou | utahcon: anything? |
| 02:40.55 | herlo | Jayce^: what about the volunteer registration? |
| 02:41.01 | herlo | I've not seen anything |
| 02:41.44 | undertakingyou | going once, going twice, sold |
| 02:42.00 | undertakingyou | ok, I guess that makes me up. |
| 02:42.01 | herlo | what about bmac2 ?? |
| 02:42.05 | bmac2 | me last |
| 02:42.09 | herlo | oh yeah |
| 02:42.12 | herlo | haha |
| 02:42.43 | undertakingyou | I talked to Mike w/Novell and said we still wanted more bags. |
| 02:42.54 | undertakingyou | So he is looking at getting us 600 . |
| 02:43.00 | undertakingyou | I figured that would be enough. |
| 02:43.15 | undertakingyou | Maybe to much. Oh well, Clint can store them again. |
| 02:43.37 | undertakingyou | Also, I will get those machines for Hearts and have them for the next meeting if not sooner. |
| 02:43.58 | undertakingyou | I would like to settle the location bit for the meeting. |
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| 02:44.19 | herlo | undertakingyou: you store them |
| 02:44.25 | undertakingyou | REally, what do people think about meeting at a library? And we could do Murray so it is more central. |
| 02:44.40 | herlo | Murray has a library, it closes at 8:55 |
| 02:44.41 | undertakingyou | But that way we can be social and do food if we want to. |
| 02:44.53 | herlo | food is across the street too |
| 02:44.53 | undertakingyou | ok, meet at 7:00 and we have a good deadline. |
| 02:45.27 | tensai | herlo: pong |
| 02:45.36 | herlo | tensai: pm |
| 02:45.58 | undertakingyou | All right, if no one has anything to say about it we will use the Murray Library. |
| 02:46.10 | undertakingyou | We can do a quick meeting and do food afterwards if we want. |
| 02:46.13 | bmac2 | where is it? |
| 02:46.18 | bmac2 | address? |
| 02:46.20 | undertakingyou | If we are hungry it will only drive the meetnig faster. |
| 02:46.27 | herlo | 100 E 5300 S |
| 02:46.27 | undertakingyou | I will find and send the address. |
| 02:46.37 | herlo | give or take |
| 02:46.42 | bmac2 | k |
| 02:47.00 | undertakingyou | I will look it up. |
| 02:47.05 | undertakingyou | Anyways, I am done. |
| 02:47.09 | undertakingyou | bmac2: you are up. |
| 02:47.11 | bmac2 | ok |
| 02:47.16 | bmac2 | first thing |
| 02:47.30 | bmac2 | I bcc'd you guys on the final email with the asterisk users group |
| 02:47.35 | bmac2 | chris brown is a douche |
| 02:47.49 | undertakingyou | saw the email. Not sure about the shower. |
| 02:48.06 | bmac2 | got all up in arms about us combining the request for an asterisk bof and the asterisk users gruop |
| 02:48.10 | bmac2 | not sure what all the big deal is |
| 02:48.19 | bmac2 | anyway, we are going to split that |
| 02:48.39 | bmac2 | second, herlo, I need the email with the changes you made |
| 02:48.42 | bmac2 | to put the lugs in today |
| 02:48.46 | bmac2 | you haven't sent that to me |
| 02:48.48 | herlo | bmac2: okay, sending it |
| 02:48.55 | bmac2 | so I can put it on the official copy |
| 02:49.03 | bmac2 | ok |
| 02:49.04 | bmac2 | now |
| 02:49.10 | bmac2 | the email I got from undertakingyou |
| 02:49.14 | bmac2 | are you smoking crack? |
| 02:49.20 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 02:49.24 | bmac2 | no |
| 02:49.25 | undertakingyou | I am laughing already. |
| 02:49.32 | bmac2 | the answer is not just no |
| 02:49.32 | undertakingyou | keep going. |
| 02:49.34 | bmac2 | but hell no |
| 02:49.38 | undertakingyou | I take it this is about phil |
| 02:49.43 | undertakingyou | Ok, I like the talk idea. |
| 02:49.48 | undertakingyou | But I understand. |
| 02:49.51 | undertakingyou | And I am ok with that. |
| 02:49.56 | bmac2 | we can NOT remove speeches we have already given approval for |
| 02:50.01 | bmac2 | I don't care what he is giving |
| 02:50.09 | bmac2 | we cna't screw speakers to kiss his ass |
| 02:50.11 | bmac2 | screw him |
| 02:50.18 | bmac2 | that is my stand |
| 02:50.27 | bmac2 | we already removed all that space |
| 02:50.28 | bmac2 | now |
| 02:50.31 | bmac2 | if you like him that much |
| 02:50.40 | bmac2 | which of hte existing keynotes do you want to remove? |
| 02:50.46 | bmac2 | that is hte only way he is getting in |
| 02:50.52 | undertakingyou | I am not going to do a 'favor' for you to get him in. |
| 02:50.54 | undertakingyou | No, |
| 02:50.55 | undertakingyou | hell no. |
| 02:50.55 | herlo | votes against that... |
| 02:51.03 | undertakingyou | It is ok, he doesn't have to be on. |
| 02:51.03 | bmac2 | now |
| 02:51.07 | undertakingyou | Clint and I talked about it. |
| 02:51.12 | undertakingyou | And he feels the same as you. |
| 02:51.12 | bmac2 | there is just no place to put it |
| 02:51.15 | bmac2 | not at this time |
| 02:51.16 | undertakingyou | It is ok. |
| 02:51.19 | undertakingyou | That is settled. |
| 02:51.21 | bmac2 | k |
| 02:51.25 | undertakingyou | We'll ask him to do it next year. |
| 02:51.27 | undertakingyou | No biggy. |
| 02:51.31 | bmac2 | now |
| 02:51.37 | bmac2 | we can give him an hour |
| 02:51.45 | bmac2 | in the left over time from odf |
| 02:51.52 | bmac2 | but it will only be a speech |
| 02:51.54 | bmac2 | not a keynote |
| 02:52.30 | Jayce^ | amounts to the same.. platform, audience |
| 02:52.44 | herlo | well, not 300ppl worth |
| 02:52.48 | bmac2 | and he will have competition |
| 02:52.48 | bmac2 | I am ok with hat |
| 02:52.48 | bmac2 | that is easy |
| 02:52.53 | bmac2 | so undertakingyou, you guys talk to him if he wants that |
| 02:52.58 | bmac2 | he ain't getting 300 people |
| 02:53.16 | bmac2 | if he had been on the ball instead of coming to us 2 weeks prior |
| 02:53.57 | bmac2 | undertakingyou, who is going to talk to him and see if he wants a speech? |
| 02:54.26 | undertakingyou | Jayce^: do you want to head that up where he sent you the mesage. |
| 02:54.32 | Jayce^ | kk |
| 02:54.41 | bmac2 | he can have an hour |
| 02:54.46 | bmac2 | easy |
| 02:54.48 | undertakingyou | good compremise. |
| 02:54.53 | undertakingyou | compromise. |
| 02:54.54 | bmac2 | or two one hour blocks |
| 02:54.55 | undertakingyou | anyways. |
| 02:54.58 | undertakingyou | Anything else? |
| 02:55.24 | bmac2 | ok herlo is going to talk to gabriel |
| 02:55.27 | bmac2 | and edwards |
| 02:55.36 | bmac2 | since both have requested a bof |
| 02:55.44 | bmac2 | that both includes asterisk |
| 02:55.52 | bmac2 | so we dont' have multiple bofs on the same subject |
| 02:56.00 | herlo | I am doing it now |
| 02:56.11 | bmac2 | good |
| 02:56.20 | bmac2 | other than that I think we are good |
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| 02:56.30 | bmac2 | unless anyone has something on the schedule that they have seen |
| 02:56.34 | bmac2 | that needs addressing? |
| 02:56.39 | herlo | bmac2: schedule sent back to you |
| 02:56.45 | bmac2 | good |
| 02:57.08 | herlo | oh, undertakingyou: we should have monies from LDS Tech and Tek systems within the weekend |
| 02:57.14 | undertakingyou | sweet |
| 02:57.22 | undertakingyou | was hoping justincarmony would have more to say. |
| 02:57.48 | undertakingyou | ok, with nothing else, meeting is ajourned. |
| 02:57.54 | herlo | was he here? |
| 02:57.55 | cro | thanks guys |
| 02:57.58 | undertakingyou | PLEASE EMAIL ME WITHAGENDA ITEMS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. |
| 02:58.07 | undertakingyou | in fact, on please |
| 02:58.20 | undertakingyou | EMAILS ME WITH AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE NEXT IN PERSON MEETING> |
| 02:59.02 | bmac2 | Jayce^, tell phil if he had said something to us 6 weeks ago |
| 02:59.12 | bmac2 | we could have easily taken care of him |
| 02:59.23 | bmac2 | but we sent out acceptances of all the speaker already |
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| 03:21.30 | bmac2 | ping herlo |
| 03:21.38 | herlo | bmac2: pong |
| 03:22.26 | peno | tl;dr |
| 03:22.30 | peno | goes to bed |
| 03:25.20 | mindjuju | grovels before the core team for having forgotten tonights meeting |
| 03:25.42 | mindjuju | it didn't make it to my google cal and i forgot |
| 03:25.55 | herlo | peno: you never read |
| 03:26.18 | peno | I do, just not drivel. :) |
| 03:26.39 | peno | I wasn't hilited, so I don't need to read. :) |
| 03:27.04 | herlo | k |
| 03:27.16 | herlo | drivel notwithstanding, you don't read |
| 03:27.46 | peno | says you |
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| 03:32.12 | herlo | but you don't disagree |
| 03:32.20 | peno | I read |
| 03:32.55 | herlo | o rly? |
| 03:33.09 | peno | yarly |
| 03:34.09 | peno | time for sleep. 14 hour day, back to the convention by 6:30 |
| 03:40.03 | herlo | gnite |
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| 14:07.47 | herlo | Good Morning nerds |
| 14:16.38 | utahcon | pah!@ |
| 14:16.41 | utahcon | I am a geek not a nerd |
| 14:17.42 | herlo | geek is just a subset of nerd utahcon |
| 14:18.11 | herlo | we override the social and hygiene properties with ones that semi-work :) |
| 14:18.40 | herlo | utahcon: ^^ |
| 14:19.03 | utahcon | lol |
| 14:19.20 | herlo | :) |
| 14:19.22 | herlo | bmac2: ping |
| 14:20.06 | bmac2 | you rang???? |
| 14:20.15 | bmac2 | says that in his best lurch voice |
| 14:20.42 | herlo | remind me what room we're putting the ODF presentation? |
| 14:20.44 | bmac2 | herlo, YOOOOUUUUU RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNGGG? |
| 14:20.47 | bmac2 | parking lot |
| 14:20.49 | bmac2 | :-) |
| 14:20.50 | bmac2 | lol |
| 14:20.53 | herlo | k, got it |
| 14:20.58 | bmac2 | same room it was in begfore\ |
| 14:21.05 | bmac2 | just shrunk time |
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| 14:25.25 | herlo | there's not enough room there bmac2 |
| 14:25.44 | herlo | the BSDA cert only leaves 45 mins between presentations |
| 14:26.01 | bmac2 | the odf stuff is now is only one hour |
| 14:26.02 | herlo | http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/schedule/2009-10-08/ |
| 14:26.06 | bmac2 | it is at the same hour as the gubug |
| 14:26.07 | herlo | oops http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/location/7 |
| 14:26.14 | herlo | oh, at 12:30 |
| 14:26.19 | bmac2 | what do you mean not enough time? |
| 14:26.20 | herlo | okay... that's what I missed |
| 14:26.21 | bmac2 | yes |
| 14:26.25 | herlo | thx |
| 14:26.27 | bmac2 | that is all they get now |
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| 16:16.18 | herlo | bmac2: ping |
| 16:17.30 | bmac2 | herlo pong |
| 16:19.33 | herlo | bmac2: did you see the email just now from Thom? |
| 16:19.44 | bmac2 | let me look |
| 16:19.47 | herlo | Do we have room for him? |
| 16:19.54 | herlo | he's already scheduled, but can't do it at that time |
| 16:20.01 | bmac2 | I didn't get it |
| 16:20.02 | bmac2 | not yet |
| 16:20.11 | bmac2 | what was his issue? |
| 16:20.26 | bmac2 | forward me the email |
| 16:20.29 | bmac2 | I am not seeing it |
| 16:20.40 | herlo | I did -- well, he has a bunch of things on Thursday. I was thinking we could move him to 12:30 on Thursday or sometime on Friday? |
| 16:20.47 | herlo | He has a wedding on Saturday too... |
| 16:21.32 | bmac2 | I will have to look at it tonight |
| 16:21.36 | bmac2 | and swap him with someone else |
| 16:21.43 | bmac2 | only thing I can do |
| 16:21.47 | herlo | that's fine. I just want to suggest some times to him |
| 16:21.50 | bmac2 | when is he scheduled now? |
| 16:22.12 | herlo | Start: Oct 08, 4:15 p.m. End: Oct 08, 5:15 p.m. |
| 16:22.25 | bmac2 | so he can't be there Thursday? |
| 16:22.36 | bmac2 | tell him he will be sometime Friday then |
| 16:22.38 | bmac2 | I can't do it now |
| 16:22.43 | bmac2 | will have to do it tonight from home |
| 16:24.02 | herlo | no, he can be there thursday, but only until about 2pm |
| 16:24.20 | bmac2 | sounds like Friday to me |
| 16:24.21 | bmac2 | then |
| 16:24.25 | herlo | so 12:30 woudl work. He's also doing the pitch for the 10:30-11:30 thing |
| 16:24.33 | herlo | mini-LUGs and conferences (podcampslc) |
| 16:43.15 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: utahcon: http://www.imasuper.com/myuploads/2009/09/geeks-and-nerds.jpg |
| 16:44.02 | herlo | heh, not quite how I envisioned it, but nice :) |
| 18:40.19 | utahcon | I know there is a difference |
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| 19:13.24 | herlo | orly? |
| 19:17.33 | josephnexus | ok |
| 19:17.38 | josephnexus | i'm stopping us before we do that |
| 19:17.41 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 19:26.25 | herlo | lol |
| 19:26.36 | herlo | josephnexus: you know it is just fun to tease you right :) |
| 19:28.44 | josephnexus | yup |
| 19:28.49 | josephnexus | that's why I play along |
| 19:28.53 | josephnexus | else I would ignore it |
| 19:29.00 | herlo | :) |
| 19:29.05 | josephnexus | i'm trying the whole "compounding the humor with an overreaction" appraoch |
| 19:29.17 | herlo | keep it up, it's fun |
| 19:29.40 | josephnexus | how about |
| 19:29.40 | josephnexus | no, notrly |
| 19:30.44 | herlo | orly? |
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| 19:33.07 | josephnexus | norly? |
| 19:33.16 | josephnexus | ugh... that almost looks like gnarly |
| 19:33.18 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 19:33.19 | josephnexus | without the g |
| 19:33.23 | josephnexus | or something like that |
| 19:36.41 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 19:37.32 | herlo | notrly |
| 19:42.27 | josephnexus | no wai |
| 19:42.50 | josephnexus | hukkid un fonicks werkud fer mi |
| 19:44.15 | josephnexus | and et kan werk fer u two |
| 19:44.29 | josephnexus | ... not sure anyone understand that... |
| 19:45.46 | herlo | heh |
| 19:48.07 | josephnexus | i wrote that once in an english class |
| 19:48.18 | josephnexus | teacher was kind of upset that I could be mocking "hooked on phonics" |
| 19:48.43 | utahcon | josephnexus: ever heard Brian Regan's take on hooked on phonics? |
| 19:48.54 | josephnexus | i haven't |
| 19:48.58 | utahcon | you should |
| 19:49.01 | utahcon | hilarious! |
| 19:50.10 | josephnexus | i tell ya though, the entire educational system in the US is messed up |
| 19:50.20 | josephnexus | has spent too much time trying to help fix it |
| 19:50.26 | josephnexus | it's regulated to death |
| 19:50.42 | josephnexus | i mean, did you hear about the school that wasn't going to allow children to fail due to risking hurting their self esteem |
| 19:50.52 | utahcon | lol |
| 19:50.56 | utahcon | no but that is freaking awesome |
| 19:51.05 | josephnexus | i understand, you want to keep kids happy |
| 19:51.07 | utahcon | let me know where that was so I can filter those kids out |
| 19:51.18 | josephnexus | but the problem is that failure is seen as a bad thing |
| 19:51.23 | utahcon | my kids are going to military school |
| 19:51.25 | josephnexus | failure should be welcome |
| 19:51.34 | josephnexus | it lets people know what they need to learn |
| 19:51.45 | Jayce^ | utahcon: Hoooked ooon... paHoniks... werk-ed.. fer...Meh! |
| 19:52.05 | josephnexus | back when I was young.... I was taking an AP english class |
| 19:52.12 | josephnexus | we were all 4.0 students (except for me) |
| 19:52.23 | josephnexus | but half of the students dropped out of that class about 2 weeks in |
| 19:52.27 | josephnexus | they didn't want to hurt their 4.0 |
| 19:52.35 | utahcon | wasn't in AP was too busy with APIs |
| 19:52.49 | Jayce^ | josephnexus: familiar with that.. had some of those folks too |
| 19:52.50 | josephnexus | in other words, they have been taught that getting a good grade is more important than actually learning anything |
| 19:53.05 | josephnexus | and you wonder why the educational system is suffering |
| 19:53.31 | josephnexus | it took a lot of convincing to let my HS let me take calculus as a junior |
| 19:53.38 | josephnexus | because calculus is a "senior" class |
| 19:54.06 | josephnexus | schools need to start focusing on education and stop focussing on making students feel warm and fuzzy |
| 19:54.26 | josephnexus | it doesn't help them at all |
| 19:54.33 | josephnexus | because the workplace won't make them feel warm and fuzzy |
| 19:54.46 | josephnexus | the whole concept of A,B,C, etc is seriously broken |
| 19:55.49 | josephnexus | i can get a 95% and be lauded as "A" material in school |
| 19:56.01 | josephnexus | so how about i do 95% of my work right |
| 19:56.08 | josephnexus | i'll lose my job very quickly |
| 19:56.32 | josephnexus | is an angry ex-student |
| 19:56.41 | josephnexus | growls in anger |
| 19:56.45 | josephnexus | rly, i do |
| 19:56.49 | josephnexus | :P |
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| 20:05.29 | herlo | grrrr |
| 20:10.34 | Gate | argh |
| 20:11.23 | herlo | rawr! |
| 20:11.39 | Gate | blargh! |
| 20:17.15 | herlo | Gate: hi! |
| 20:17.37 | Gate | how goes herlo? |
| 20:18.37 | herlo | good, things are kind of settling down, very nice |
| 20:20.19 | Gate | good! |
| 20:20.52 | herlo | yeah, we're nearing the 400 mark for attendees too |
| 20:20.57 | herlo | 384 last I looked |
| 20:21.10 | herlo | and we haven't got all the vendors signed up yet :) |
| 20:21.15 | herlo | nor most of the sponsors |
| 20:21.28 | herlo | we're going to be 450 or more this time methinks :) |
| 20:21.54 | eggyknap | w00ts quietly to himself |
| 20:22.05 | herlo | hehe, 385 |
| 20:22.08 | Gate | nice, 400 last year right? |
| 20:22.20 | herlo | 440 give or take. We don't have true stats |
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| 20:22.26 | Gate | understood |
| 20:22.27 | herlo | but this year we've got a better system |
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| 20:22.33 | herlo | and it has true stats |
| 20:22.51 | herlo | I am going to be building a graphing engine too so we can look at when people signed up, and such |
| 20:23.01 | herlo | so we can do a better job of marketing and prep for next year... |
| 20:23.12 | Gate | you will probably have a bell curve around the 19th |
| 20:23.24 | herlo | a little |
| 20:23.37 | eggyknap | herlo: pentaho. |
| 20:23.58 | herlo | but I am always surprised at the number fo people who sign up last minute even still |
| 20:24.02 | herlo | eggyknap: BI |
| 20:24.18 | eggyknap | For your super duper reporting stuff, I mean. |
| 20:24.20 | Jayce^ | eggyknap: pimp your what? (sorry, the joke we used at UNTD for pentaho) |
| 20:24.32 | Jayce^ | we used pentaho for our BI there. |
| 20:24.55 | eggyknap | Yeah, I hope they didnt' spend a lot on that name. |
| 20:25.12 | Gate | hahahahaha |
| 20:26.02 | Gate | I work at a BI provider (effectively, we do more than that but its really what the sales guys are pushing) |
| 20:26.20 | herlo | eggyknap: oh, well I didn't like pentaho when I saw it the first time |
| 20:26.26 | herlo | eggyknap: seems like overkill to me |
| 20:26.43 | eggyknap | Probably is, for what you're up to. |
| 20:26.48 | herlo | but if you wanna help me and show me the benefits, I'll be happy to install java on my boxen |
| 20:27.20 | eggyknap | We're using it for a UT Dept. of Health project I'm working on, to very good effect. Their reporting needs are probably more intense than UTOS's |
| 20:27.37 | herlo | yes, likely |
| 20:28.59 | Jayce^ | ditto with how it was used at UNTD.. financial reporting.. |
| 20:30.44 | eggyknap | It uses these metadata files for its ad-hoc reporting engine, and I've had the unexpressible horror^Wjoy over the last week or two of dissecting their Java API enough to create these metadata thingies dynamically with JRuby. As of this afternoon it finally works, and I can sit back and smile pleasantly. |
| 20:30.50 | herlo | we could do financial reporting, I guess |
| 20:32.54 | herlo | eggyknap: you are a crazy workking man :) |
| 20:33.10 | Jayce^ | herlo: no, this was wall-street style financial reporting.. giving stuff to accountants and lawyers, and of course then to oracle reporting :) |
| 20:34.47 | herlo | oh, yeah I don't want that |
| 20:35.02 | herlo | but we do actually have to report to ppl at the IRS now...501c3 a coming |
| 20:41.53 | Gate | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.23 | herlo | whee!! |
| 20:46.55 | undertakingyou | how is that possible? |
| 20:48.20 | Gate | no clue, but apparently he managed it. |
| 20:48.37 | Gate | Every non-trivial program contains bugs. |
| 20:48.40 | eggyknap | Vim can't segfault -- it's holy. |
| 20:48.47 | eggyknap | perhaps he was running it on Windows. |
| 20:49.51 | Gate | nope, linux |
| 20:54.22 | undertakingyou | Gate: don't defend windows like that. |
| 20:54.52 | Gate | undertakingyou: I didn't defend windows, the guy is using Linux |
| 20:55.06 | Gate | removing windows from the equation != defense |
| 20:56.00 | Gate | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.07 | josephnexus | prolly bad memory |
| 20:56.12 | Gate | defending windows is not in my agenda right now. |
| 21:00.55 | undertakingyou | Gate: I am not sold. |
| 21:00.56 | undertakingyou | ;) |
| 21:31.18 | herlo | okay, this really annoys me about vim |
| 21:31.36 | herlo | when I paste in GNOME using middle mouse, I get this cascading tab effect |
| 21:31.56 | Heartsbane | could be PEBKAC? |
| 21:32.02 | herlo | anyone seen this before and know how to fix it? |
| 21:32.07 | herlo | Heartsbane: nope |
| 21:32.17 | herlo | http://fpaste.org/QtVQ/ |
| 21:32.18 | Jayce^ | herlo: `set paste` |
| 21:32.25 | herlo | ahh, that might be it |
| 21:32.27 | Heartsbane | oh sure rule it out that fast |
| 21:32.31 | Jayce^ | set nopaste to turn it off |
| 21:32.36 | herlo | right... |
| 21:33.09 | herlo | Jayce^: that's not helping |
| 21:33.25 | herlo | nopaste makes it go further cascading right |
| 21:33.50 | Jayce^ | yeah, you want paste mode on... should go correctly in that mode |
| 21:34.17 | Jayce^ | :set paste[enter] then i, then click |
| 21:34.21 | herlo | doesn't work.. |
| 21:34.37 | herlo | that's exactly what I tried |
| 21:34.40 | Jayce^ | then Heartsbane was right |
| 21:35.17 | Jayce^ | I use that all the time to fix exactly what you are doing |
| 21:35.29 | herlo | middle click |
| 21:35.32 | herlo | not right click paste |
| 21:35.48 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 21:35.55 | Jayce^ | might be your term doing something, or WM |
| 21:36.19 | herlo | hrm, I guess it works now. but I did need to do :set paste. |
| 21:36.25 | herlo | tried it twice before |
| 21:36.30 | Jayce^ | ..riiiiiight |
| 21:36.45 | Heartsbane | mumbles PEBKAC. |
| 21:36.58 | herlo | only on the set paste part maybe |
| 21:56.27 | goozbach | I bind a key to set paste |
| 22:04.15 | herlo | goozbach: why would you not want 'set paste' all the time? |
| 22:05.42 | whiteinge | herlo: vim won't do auto-indenting when it's set |
| 22:06.47 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: it can also disable things like snippet completion |
| 22:09.57 | herlo | oh, fun! |
| 22:11.55 | goozbach | herlo: It's actually a toggle |
| 22:12.00 | goozbach | :set paste! |
| 22:12.10 | goozbach | turns it on if off, off if on |
| 22:12.41 | DexterTheDragon | need to map that to a key....... |
| 22:12.54 | herlo | yup |
| 22:12.57 | herlo | can do |
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| 22:40.10 | decriptor | herlo: Its looking like ben might not be able to present this year. |
| 22:40.13 | decriptor | heads up |
| 22:40.22 | decriptor | he's had 5 surgeries in the last 5 days |
| 22:40.23 | decriptor | :( |
| 22:40.30 | josephnexus | :-( |
| 22:40.31 | herlo | that's okay. I want him to get better |
| 22:40.46 | decriptor | from his wife: Five days, five surgeries. Ben is not improving. The doctors said his scans show that he is but when they opened his eye lids he could not moves his eyes. He could barley squeeze the doctors finger, twitch his thumb for a thumbs up. I see him getting... worse. I had to go home before I lose my mind. How did this happen? I just cant believe any of this. |
| 22:41.01 | decriptor | I haven't actually talked to ben in a while |
| 22:41.17 | herlo | me either |
| 22:41.33 | herlo | well, let him know he is in our thoughts when you hear from him |
| 22:41.44 | decriptor | will do |
| 22:42.18 | josephnexus | what happened? |
| 22:42.21 | herlo | I think we'll have a contingency for UTOSC... |
| 22:42.28 | josephnexus | sounds like something that my dad is going through right now |
| 22:42.32 | herlo | josephnexus: he has a brain issue, had surgery on it last yer... |
| 22:42.37 | josephnexus | ah |
| 22:42.40 | herlo | sounds like it returned... |
| 22:42.40 | decriptor | Hydrocephalus |
| 22:42.46 | herlo | that ^^ |
| 22:42.51 | josephnexus | my dad fell and hit his head at just the wrong angle on a table |
| 22:42.53 | decriptor | herlo: it never goes away |
| 22:43.02 | josephnexus | had internal bleeding, so different, but similar issues |
| 22:43.05 | decriptor | in fact there are very few that live to be an adult |
| 22:43.06 | josephnexus | well |
| 22:43.09 | josephnexus | symptoms |
| 22:43.11 | herlo | decriptor: I know. I thought they put a drain in to help the stuff... |
| 22:43.19 | josephnexus | anything we can do to help? |
| 22:43.24 | decriptor | they don't always work very well |
| 22:43.30 | herlo | yeah, sounds like it |
| 22:43.31 | decriptor | its a hack so to speak |
| 22:45.28 | herlo | yeah... |
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