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| 05:35.29 | herlo | tristanbob_: ping, re UTOS classes and things |
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| 19:22.21 | wTrevyn | herlo: ping |
| 19:24.02 | wTrevyn | Im looking to donate and or sponsor an Open Source Event or Group |
| 19:24.20 | wTrevyn | Id like some information as to where the most help is neede |
| 19:24.21 | wTrevyn | d |
| 19:55.36 | herlo | wTrevyn: pong... |
| 19:56.26 | herlo | wTrevyn: so one of the things I think you need to first understand is that starting an open source group is that most of these groups are done bottom up |
| 19:56.29 | wTrevyn | herlo: can you PM me with some recomendations |
| 19:56.36 | herlo | wTrevyn: not really... |
| 19:56.39 | herlo | here's why |
| 19:57.07 | herlo | I don't really have any clue all of the groups out there or ones that need help per se. Except for the ones who are already established |
| 19:57.17 | herlo | if you are interested in helping those groups, we can talk |
| 19:57.44 | herlo | but as far as new groups, you'd probably be best off creating your own and UTOS will help you establish and promote it |
| 19:58.01 | herlo | wTrevyn: make sense? |
| 19:58.29 | herlo | open source is a bottom up type organization as a whole. Lots of little pieces made the big group. |
| 19:58.43 | herlo | wTrevyn: why are you looking? |
| 19:59.02 | wTrevyn | herlo: yeah, i have my own group right now, and I want to see if there are things my group could help sponsor |
| 19:59.05 | herlo | wTrevyn: what interests you about open source, what groups are you interested in? This is the area where you should be looking |
| 19:59.06 | wTrevyn | networking |
| 19:59.12 | herlo | wTrevyn: ahh, okay |
| 19:59.23 | herlo | do you have regular meetings? |
| 19:59.29 | wTrevyn | Everyday home boy |
| 19:59.30 | herlo | hang on, phone call |
| 19:59.33 | wTrevyn | #esource |
| 20:05.55 | herlo | wTrevyn: every day? |
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| 20:06.18 | herlo | what does this group do? |
| 20:06.37 | herlo | and do you have a website, meeting location, etc? |
| 20:06.51 | mindjuju | wTrevyn == Trevyn (from #uphpu) ? |
| 20:06.58 | herlo | mindjuju: I know |
| 20:07.05 | herlo | oh |
| 20:07.08 | mindjuju | oh, was more of a question |
| 20:07.09 | herlo | I thought you were stating fact |
| 20:07.11 | wTrevyn | http://esourcehome.com/ |
| 20:07.12 | herlo | hehe |
| 20:07.25 | wTrevyn | its a group/business |
| 20:07.32 | wTrevyn | if that counts |
| 20:08.06 | mindjuju | sup Trevyn -- don't see you in #uphpu much anymore |
| 20:08.09 | herlo | no, it really can't be a business because that's focused on making money |
| 20:08.10 | mindjuju | what you up to these days? |
| 20:08.28 | herlo | people need to come to learn networking (right??) topics, not so much about making money |
| 20:08.35 | herlo | wTrevyn: that's my thought anywa |
| 20:08.36 | herlo | y |
| 20:08.38 | wTrevyn | mindjuju: we got some fun stuff happening |
| 20:09.02 | herlo | wTrevyn: like what? |
| 20:09.06 | wTrevyn | herlo: we make money, but we help eachother / get new skills |
| 20:09.27 | herlo | wTrevyn: nothing wrong with that |
| 20:09.28 | wTrevyn | We are building the new web interface for Fiber.net Dedicated/VPSVHosting servers |
| 20:09.36 | wTrevyn | using PXE 3.0 |
| 20:09.41 | herlo | however, most LUGs (Local User Groups) UTOS deals with are nonprofit |
| 20:09.44 | wTrevyn | variose server ISOs |
| 20:09.53 | herlo | wTrevyn: have you seen cobbler? |
| 20:10.28 | wTrevyn | I have not |
| 20:10.29 | herlo | http://fedorahosted.org/cobbler |
| 20:11.01 | herlo | you should check it out. I use it all the time. It helps you build custom pxe, kickstart and automated software repositories |
| 20:11.22 | wTrevyn | herlo: kai will be in the esource room in a bit, he is doing all the PXE installs |
| 20:11.42 | herlo | not sure what operating systme you use, but they've got RH/Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu/deb(coming in next release) and windows, etc. in up coming releases |
| 20:12.00 | wTrevyn | herlo: we are doing Cent)S FedCore, Ubuntu, Windows installs |
| 20:12.08 | wTrevyn | LAMP Base ect |
| 20:12.15 | herlo | wTrevyn: it could do all of that except winders atm |
| 20:12.24 | wTrevyn | yeah windows has been harder |
| 20:12.42 | herlo | shouldn't be that much harder, save the RIS server |
| 20:12.47 | herlo | anyway, back to your group |
| 20:13.10 | herlo | what you should do is really separate it out into its own thing, make it free to attend and build a website around it |
| 20:13.15 | wTrevyn | I need to spell check that webpage. |
| 20:13.19 | herlo | call it Utah Network User Group or something... |
| 20:13.37 | herlo | doesn't matter if it is hosted at your location, but if you want it to grow, that would be best imo |
| 20:15.03 | wTrevyn | herlo: separate form what? |
| 20:15.08 | wTrevyn | its free to attend |
| 20:15.48 | herlo | wTrevyn: from your company |
| 20:15.54 | wTrevyn | oh |
| 20:15.57 | herlo | I figured it was free to attend |
| 20:16.27 | wTrevyn | UPHPU and UTOS and PLUG and those groups are fine for that stuff |
| 20:16.42 | herlo | thing is, most of the time, open source is independent of a company when it comes to meetings. Nothing wrong with holding the meetings at your place of business, they just need to be separate entities |
| 20:16.48 | wTrevyn | I dont know if there is much of a market for the Utah "Network" User Group |
| 20:16.50 | herlo | wTrevyn: for what stuff? |
| 20:17.09 | herlo | wTrevyn: is that what your group focuses on? |
| 20:17.11 | wTrevyn | Sharing Tech stuff |
| 20:17.18 | herlo | how so? |
| 20:17.26 | herlo | what tech stuff? |
| 20:17.34 | herlo | anythign? |
| 20:17.38 | wTrevyn | Id rather support an established group that try to spilt groups |
| 20:18.01 | wTrevyn | herlo, we do alot of tech stuff but focus on Open Source |
| 20:18.11 | wTrevyn | we just get projects that pay |
| 20:18.13 | herlo | wTrevyn: so I guess I'm still mising your point |
| 20:18.28 | herlo | you want to sponsor a group ro something? |
| 20:18.31 | wTrevyn | I just wanted to support UPHPU or somthing |
| 20:18.35 | wTrevyn | yeah |
| 20:18.38 | herlo | ahh |
| 20:18.39 | herlo | okay |
| 20:18.46 | herlo | That's much clearer |
| 20:19.04 | wTrevyn | wTrevynherlo: ping 12:24wTrevynIm looking to donate and or sponsor an Open Source Event or Group 12:24wTrevynId like some information as to where the most help is neede |
| 20:19.06 | wTrevyn | :) |
| 20:19.28 | wTrevyn | Ive got some good guys in my group |
| 20:19.37 | herlo | well, so I should state up front, that UTOS is currently filing 501c3, UPHPU and Utah Open Source Groups will have our support in the near future |
| 20:19.38 | wTrevyn | and they have alot to offer for pay or for free |
| 20:19.56 | wTrevyn | we spend most of our time working and not enough time contributing |
| 20:19.58 | herlo | k, so you said that, but then I asked what your group does... |
| 20:20.06 | herlo | so it got confusing fast, sorry |
| 20:20.22 | wTrevyn | And I would like to contribute to some local well established groups in hopes that I can network with more talent |
| 20:20.32 | wTrevyn | and at times find resources we may need. |
| 20:20.48 | herlo | wTrevyn: ahh, so not 'networking', but you want to have more contacts as in a network of resources.. |
| 20:20.49 | wTrevyn | Also, becuase I want to know who is who |
| 20:21.02 | herlo | wTrevyn: best way to do that is come to a meeting btw |
| 20:21.09 | wTrevyn | herlo: but im looking for a certain breed |
| 20:21.21 | herlo | wTrevyn: yep |
| 20:21.22 | wTrevyn | but in any case, I think getting my gusy more local exposure is good for them |
| 20:21.23 | herlo | http://blog.utos.org/utah-tech-groups/ |
| 20:21.46 | herlo | wTrevyn: no problem, I'm looking for work myself right now, so if you have anything you wanna send my way :) |
| 20:22.06 | wTrevyn | herlo: that aboyt |
| 20:22.12 | wTrevyn | Ive got some for you |
| 20:22.13 | herlo | :) |
| 20:22.14 | wTrevyn | hit me PM |
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| 21:56.46 | bmac2 | herlo ping |
| 21:57.29 | bmac2 | herlo call me on my phone, may have a job opportunity for you |
| 21:58.22 | herlo | bmac2: calling now |
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| 22:04.40 | Jayce^ | does this one involve a quick trip to south america, and carrying a package without your hands? |
| 22:10.48 | peno | don't those pay in cash? |
| 22:12.03 | herlo | it's a cash job for sure |
| 22:12.06 | herlo | :) |
| 22:14.21 | peno | isn't that ultimately the goal of any job? |
| 22:15.47 | herlo | yep |
| 22:51.35 | decriptor | is there a way to test the return code of a command in a one liner if statement |
| 22:51.47 | decriptor | something like if test command -ne "0"; then... |
| 22:52.11 | decriptor | I run the command and then run if test "$?" -ne "0" ; then |
| 22:56.47 | herlo | decriptor: how about && |
| 23:00.53 | decriptor | ? |
| 23:00.57 | decriptor | command && |
| 23:01.02 | decriptor | command && if test... |
| 23:01.02 | herlo | no |
| 23:01.17 | herlo | [[ command -ne 0 ]] && other command |
| 23:01.22 | decriptor | oh |
| 23:01.32 | herlo | [[ is semi-equivalent to test in bash |
| 23:01.34 | decriptor | this is for configure.ac |
| 23:01.40 | herlo | should work |
| 23:01.48 | herlo | doesn't know for sure though |
| 23:02.07 | decriptor | I'm trying to check for a lib that doesn't have a pc file :/ |
| 23:02.10 | decriptor | I have something that works |
| 23:02.26 | decriptor | curses mono |
| 23:02.48 | herlo | hehe |
| 23:03.59 | decriptor | herlo: I'm starting to share similar views as the release manager of fedora :) |
| 23:04.18 | decriptor | herlo: around mono that is |
| 23:04.24 | herlo | ahh |
| 23:04.38 | decriptor | that's the only thing that I've talked to him about |
| 23:04.47 | decriptor | I might be going to scale next year btw |
| 23:05.03 | herlo | decriptor: me too. I'm runnin ght Fedora Booht |
| 23:05.08 | decriptor | sweet |
| 23:05.15 | decriptor | I'll be helping out with the openSUSE booth |
| 23:05.20 | herlo | we could carpool or fly and hang out |
| 23:05.29 | herlo | depends on whether I have a job or not |
| 23:05.33 | decriptor | I'm flying (being paid for) |
| 23:05.41 | decriptor | I have the hotel :) |
| 23:06.02 | herlo | ahh, yes, well I think I'll be getting reimbursed for some of that since the budget has just been handed out |
| 23:06.18 | decriptor | herlo: nice |
| 23:06.58 | herlo | yeah, Fedora does a lot when it comes to budget |
| 23:07.14 | decriptor | that's awesome... in a way its the openSUSE budget that's going to get me out there |
| 23:07.26 | herlo | :) |
| 23:08.30 | decriptor | my new favorite command is crtl-r |
| 23:08.57 | herlo | hehe, yeah |
| 23:09.05 | herlo | btw, that only works in emacs mode |
| 23:09.09 | herlo | if you run |
| 23:09.12 | herlo | set -o vi |
| 23:09.14 | herlo | then you can do |
| 23:09.22 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.23 | decriptor | ? |
| 23:09.28 | decriptor | oh |
| 23:09.31 | decriptor | I'm using in bash |
| 23:09.37 | herlo | bash defaults ot emacs mode |
| 23:09.38 | decriptor | ... on the console |
| 23:09.42 | decriptor | oh didn't know that |
| 23:09.48 | herlo | echo $SHELLOPTS |
| 23:09.51 | herlo | try that command |
| 23:09.55 | herlo | you'll see what I mean |
| 23:10.09 | decriptor | well, look at that |
| 23:10.27 | decriptor | I'll have to play with that when I get a chance to breath |
| 23:11.19 | herlo | hehe, yeah |
| 23:11.35 | herlo | there's lots of cool settings to make you more (or less) efficient |
| 23:11.37 | decriptor | I'm putting out fires, in hopes that I can get back to my work |
| 23:11.42 | herlo | you can use ctrl-a / ctrl-e |
| 23:11.49 | herlo | to move to the beginning or end of the line |
| 23:12.19 | decriptor | I've seen that before, but can never remember them |
| 23:12.56 | decriptor | I need to make a background of useful commands and then make it the top image of the cube in compiz |
| 23:14.18 | herlo | something like that |
| 23:14.58 | decriptor | I feel useless without the expo feature in compiz... its killing me not having it lately |
| 23:16.43 | bmac2 | I wish to express my opinion of installing java and the 7000 versions that every idiot in the world has come up with |
| 23:16.45 | bmac2 | it sucks |
| 23:17.02 | bmac2 | I know no one cares about my opinion |
| 23:17.04 | bmac2 | but there it is |
| 23:17.05 | bmac2 | anyway |
| 23:17.18 | decriptor | crap backspace doesn't work |
| 23:17.21 | decriptor | well |
| 23:17.29 | decriptor | guess I have to read bmac2 opinion |
| 23:18.02 | decriptor | the only problem that I have with java is the push to use openjdk... yeah its great and all, but things don't work with it yet |
| 23:18.35 | herlo | ugh, java is stupid |
| 23:18.43 | herlo | and I coded in it for 2.75 years |
| 23:18.51 | decriptor | they made openjdk the new default in openSUSE 11.1 |
| 23:19.10 | decriptor | breaks sslvpn (I think its sslexplorer) |
| 23:21.57 | bmac2 | I am doing it on freebsd |
| 23:22.04 | bmac2 | which is usually a breeze |
| 23:22.13 | bmac2 | but good god, there are soo many differnt files |
| 23:22.19 | bmac2 | finding the right one to download sucked |
| 23:22.20 | decriptor | yeah, with ports that's usually a lot nicer |
| 23:22.36 | bmac2 | but the sun license makes you have to manually download it |
| 23:22.53 | bmac2 | then once you figure out the right file install it from the ports |
| 23:23.49 | decriptor | bmac2: I usually look at the netbeans stuff (great c/c++ ide and some cool new python stuff) |
| 23:24.24 | decriptor | I check all my java stuff through that since its in java and requires the sdk |
| 23:24.51 | bmac2 | I have netbeans installed on here |
| 23:24.57 | bmac2 | just it is for my freebsd server |
| 23:24.59 | decriptor | and it works? |
| 23:25.01 | bmac2 | I need a java runtime |
| 23:25.04 | bmac2 | on my server |
| 23:25.17 | decriptor | what do you need the java for? |
| 23:25.18 | bmac2 | for a program my boss wants to look at |
| 23:25.46 | bmac2 | it is a program called SecretSquirrel |
| 23:26.02 | bmac2 | it is a multiuser, web accessible password encryption program |
| 23:26.04 | decriptor | never heard of it |
| 23:26.13 | bmac2 | me either until I found it on freshmeat today |
| 23:26.20 | decriptor | what's the goal? |
| 23:26.23 | bmac2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.30 | bmac2 | but NOW it is moral imperative |
| 23:26.34 | bmac2 | to defeat the java monster |
| 23:26.38 | decriptor | lol |
| 23:26.42 | decriptor | hate when that happens |
| 23:27.04 | bmac2 | passwords encrypted, accessible from the network from any platform, mac, unix, windows |
| 23:27.11 | bmac2 | different levels of users |
| 23:27.22 | bmac2 | so a user can either be allowed or blocked from sections |
| 23:27.41 | bmac2 | since the PCI regs apply to us because we process credit cards |
| 23:27.50 | bmac2 | I need to encrypt all the passwords safeley |
| 23:27.52 | bmac2 | safely |
| 23:27.53 | bmac2 | even |
| 23:28.12 | bmac2 | so I am looking at open source stuff I cna put on my freebsd box I use for network monitoring |
| 23:28.22 | decriptor | have you looked at bandit |
| 23:28.22 | decriptor | ? |
| 23:28.26 | bmac2 | nope |
| 23:28.26 | decriptor | sorry, still java |
| 23:28.33 | bmac2 | I don't care if it is java |
| 23:28.38 | bmac2 | I just want one that works |
| 23:28.44 | bmac2 | and will both be open source |
| 23:28.56 | bmac2 | because I want to support those projects |
| 23:29.02 | bmac2 | but also meets the regs |
| 23:29.04 | decriptor | http://www.bandit-project.org/ |
| 23:29.08 | bmac2 | and is easy for my users |
| 23:29.09 | bmac2 | k |
| 23:29.14 | bmac2 | let me scope that one out |
| 23:29.17 | bmac2 | have you used it? |
| 23:29.25 | decriptor | wiat |
| 23:29.26 | decriptor | wait |
| 23:29.33 | decriptor | might be more of a framework than a solution |
| 23:30.04 | bmac2 | yep |
| 23:30.10 | bmac2 | looks like more of a dev framework |
| 23:30.36 | decriptor | code be... novell's identity manager is a killer app, and I think they are the ones that work on this. |
| 23:31.02 | decriptor | identity manager does exactly what you want and then 100 times more... but its not open source |
| 23:31.18 | bmac2 | my boss doesn't mind buying shit |
| 23:31.28 | bmac2 | I am the one who keeps pushing open source stuff |
| 23:31.37 | decriptor | I've worked with it... pretty cool stuff as far as being able to syncing X systems (mysql, edir, AD, postgres, etc) |
| 23:31.40 | bmac2 | he likes the freebsd and open source for production |
| 23:32.29 | decriptor | nice web interface to take care of all of it too. Ideal for big companies |
| 23:32.43 | decriptor | though always good to push the open source |
| 23:32.47 | decriptor | so, good luck on that one |
| 23:33.01 | bmac2 | as long as it encrypts our passwords |
| 23:33.03 | bmac2 | he won't care |
| 23:33.11 | bmac2 | and we can get to it across the netowrk |