| 00:00.07 | herlo | it pisses me off, because it works just fine when I sent it to the printers |
| 00:00.30 | herlo | I don't get why that's a big deal, but its images and they can't be made into vectors so I don't know how that matters |
| 00:00.36 | herlo | ask them to start using linux :) |
| 00:00.55 | decriptor | ironic isn't it |
| 00:01.50 | herlo | well, sorta, I get that there aren't any really good linux tools equivalent to indesign, but Scribus is pretty damn good |
| 00:02.28 | herlo | decriptor: they're also probably using a full version of acrobat, which has a bunch more features |
| 00:05.05 | decriptor | herlo: check your email and then repsond reply all |
| 00:08.01 | herlo | just did |
| 00:11.13 | herlo | decriptor: I just generated a hi-res tiff for them, can upload if necessary |
| 00:11.46 | decriptor | may as well |
| 00:11.51 | decriptor | and then its there if they need |
| 00:12.10 | decriptor | so my opensuse-tutorials.com site got announced accidently |
| 00:13.39 | herlo | lol |
| 00:13.52 | decriptor | cool but not funny there wasn't any content yet |
| 00:14.03 | decriptor | I've had almost a 100 hits in the last 5 hours |
| 00:14.07 | decriptor | and lots of user regs |
| 00:14.48 | herlo | lol |
| 00:14.53 | decriptor | new email |
| 00:15.12 | herlo | I think I can fix their problem tonight. It has to do with the images not being cmyk, that's fixable |
| 00:15.22 | herlo | s/their/the/ |
| 00:15.25 | herlo | with the ad |
| 00:15.30 | decriptor | go ahead and fix it and then lets get it to them |
| 00:25.25 | herlo | decriptor: I am setting up for the exam right now, but after that I'll get it fixed up |
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| 00:49.49 | trixtur | is not idle for once |
| 00:50.44 | decriptor | trixtur: good write some tutorials for opensuse-tutorials.com |
| 00:50.49 | decriptor | go create yourself an account |
| 00:52.05 | trixtur | lol |
| 00:52.07 | trixtur | me |
| 00:52.11 | trixtur | write tutorials |
| 00:52.25 | trixtur | I don't know how to do anything |
| 00:53.51 | trixtur | decriptor: who hosts this site? |
| 00:54.03 | decriptor | me |
| 00:54.07 | trixtur | woot! |
| 00:54.10 | trixtur | it looks nice |
| 00:54.15 | decriptor | sign up and then learn :) |
| 00:56.58 | trixtur | decriptor: I made a user |
| 00:57.03 | trixtur | but...he's got no rights |
| 00:57.22 | decriptor | I'll give you right when I get home :) |
| 00:58.15 | decriptor | nm |
| 00:58.19 | decriptor | you are a contributor |
| 00:58.42 | decriptor | now you can post and then we can review and approve |
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| 01:10.20 | trixtur | ok |
| 01:10.22 | trixtur | cool |
| 01:10.46 | trixtur | dude you can post review and approve wordpress? |
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| 07:54.46 | herlo | decriptor: looks like I got it to work for the utosc ad! |
| 13:32.37 | tristanbob | herlo, can you add my company name (Utah OpenTech) after my speaker name in the schedule? |
| 13:32.38 | tristanbob | http://2008.utosc.com/presentation/schedule/ |
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| 14:01.03 | herlo | tristanbob: you can do that yourself |
| 14:01.20 | herlo | points to the email he sent out to *all* speakers with instructions to do so |
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| 16:12.00 | herlo | I KNOW! |
| 16:13.10 | herlo | fozzmoo: ping - blog-oriffic |
| 16:13.13 | herlo | decriptor: ping |
| 16:13.18 | herlo | decriptor: nm |
| 16:13.29 | fozzmoo | herlo: pong |
| 16:16.08 | tristanbob_ | herlo, I figured out how to add my company name - sorry for not rtfm |
| 16:31.41 | herlo | tristanbob_: hehe, nw |
| 16:31.43 | herlo | fozzmoo: hi |
| 16:32.16 | herlo | fozzmoo: so if you have time today, I'd like to get out the announcement about the utos-attendees@utos list |
| 16:33.07 | herlo | We should probably mention the fact that we've added all the attendees from last year and we'll be sending out an announcement to remind them to register today as well, along with the post you make :) |
| 16:33.42 | fozzmoo | herlo: roger. |
| 16:42.13 | herlo | fozzmoo: yay! |
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| 16:42.43 | herlo | considered responding to Aaron's last post but decided it wasn't worth it. A bunch of ppl have already said what I was gonna say |
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| 17:20.13 | herlo | fozzmoo: check out http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3426776 |
| 17:20.20 | herlo | thinking about inviting this kid to UTOSC |
| 17:21.16 | fozzmoo | huh. |
| 17:21.27 | fozzmoo | cool. |
| 17:22.27 | linuxalien | Wow |
| 17:22.31 | linuxalien | That kid rocks |
| 17:22.38 | fozzmoo | Kids these days. They never go outside. |
| 17:22.55 | linuxalien | hahaha |
| 17:25.39 | herlo | lol |
| 17:26.24 | linuxalien | More people should stay inside then :P |
| 17:29.07 | herlo | I just sent him an email. |
| 17:29.18 | linuxalien | Good jorb |
| 17:30.12 | herlo | jorb? |
| 17:30.23 | linuxalien | Strongbad |
| 17:30.32 | linuxalien | <----- was once a regular fan |
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| 17:33.27 | herlo | dislikes homestarrunner for the most part |
| 17:33.46 | fozzmoo | You're a bunch of elitists! |
| 17:34.18 | fozzmoo | sings "The server is down! The server is down!" |
| 17:34.28 | linuxalien | hahahaha |
| 17:35.06 | opapo | how do I operate on files that have a hyphen in the beginning of them? |
| 17:35.10 | linuxalien | Strongbad was best in the beginning. I haven't checked in a while. Dunno how it is now. I liked the Strongbad Emails |
| 17:35.20 | fozzmoo | opapo: ./-filename |
| 17:35.22 | herlo | opapo: in what sense? |
| 17:35.28 | opapo | sorry |
| 17:35.41 | opapo | I am doing ls |xargs file |
| 17:35.41 | herlo | although fozzmoo is correct |
| 17:35.52 | herlo | put them in single quotes |
| 17:36.07 | herlo | oh |
| 17:36.26 | herlo | opapo: why not just do file * ? |
| 17:36.58 | opapo | herlo: that would be too easy |
| 17:37.04 | herlo | lol |
| 17:37.07 | opapo | thanks |
| 17:37.15 | herlo | problem solved! |
| 17:37.27 | opapo | that didn't work |
| 17:37.36 | fozzmoo | Too many files? |
| 17:37.52 | opapo | it parses the files as parameters for file |
| 17:38.02 | opapo | so files that start with -Close |
| 17:38.15 | opapo | will produce an error invalid parameter l |
| 17:38.34 | fozzmoo | file ./* |
| 17:39.41 | opapo | ding ding ding fozzmoo is the winner |
| 17:39.55 | fozzmoo | shines his knuckle on his shirt. |
| 17:40.00 | opapo | lol |
| 17:40.39 | fozzmoo | opapo: You're running IRC as root?! |
| 17:40.50 | fozzmoo | s/IRC/your IRC client/ |
| 17:41.32 | opapo | yeah I know |
| 17:42.17 | fozzmoo | My rule of thumb is "never log in as root... unless something is wrong and needs to be fixed." |
| 17:42.34 | opapo | I log in as myself and then su to root |
| 17:42.41 | fozzmoo | You should be able to get everything you need done via sudo |
| 17:43.00 | opapo | This is a FC4 box |
| 17:43.14 | fozzmoo | sudo's been available for about a decade. :) |
| 17:43.39 | opapo | I don't know how to set it up in Fedora nor have I had a desire to |
| 17:43.50 | opapo | I know I shouldn't |
| 17:44.14 | fozzmoo | it's probably already installed. |
| 17:44.34 | fozzmoo | echo "opapo ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 17:44.55 | fozzmoo | And you're done. |
| 17:46.11 | Yorokobi | points fozzmoo to visudo(8) |
| 17:47.18 | opapo | I use visudo to change that file |
| 17:47.41 | opapo | I have been lazy and haven't setup sudo on my Fedora boxes |
| 17:49.14 | fozzmoo | Sure... visudo is the "right" way to do it... |
| 17:49.35 | fozzmoo | but I just wanted to give opapo a quick, easy, one-liner. |
| 17:50.07 | opapo | I eventually want to reblast my Fedora boxes with Ubuntu. |
| 17:50.26 | fozzmoo | Sure. whatever you know best. |
| 17:50.27 | opapo | Ubuntu is what I install now and what most of my servers are |
| 17:51.00 | opapo | The FC4 machines work and haven't given me a reason yet to switch |
| 17:51.05 | opapo | When I do I will use sudo |
| 17:51.43 | Yorokobi | you can always use yum to install sudo |
| 17:51.57 | opapo | Yorokobi: sudo is installed |
| 17:52.00 | opapo | I'm lazy |
| 17:52.06 | Yorokobi | yeah, you are. :) |
| 17:52.14 | opapo | I don't want to change this particular server yet |
| 17:52.34 | opapo | Aren't we all lazy to a point? |
| 17:52.41 | Yorokobi | if you want to be more lazy, use sudo with the NOPASSWD option in your sudoers |
| 17:52.44 | opapo | Isn't that what tab-completion is for? |
| 17:53.02 | opapo | Yorokobi: I already do that on my other servers |
| 17:53.45 | opapo | Has anyone used Bastille Linux/Unix? |
| 17:54.19 | opapo | I thought I would try it out on my laptop |
| 18:07.30 | herlo | opapo: having a FC4 box is not an excuse for running IRC as root :) |
| 18:08.06 | opapo | herlo: I know |
| 18:08.15 | herlo | opapo: :) and Fedora is better than you think |
| 18:08.22 | herlo | lol |
| 18:08.47 | opapo | I set it up in the old days when I did things as root and have never changed it |
| 18:09.40 | opapo | herlo: I am actually trying F9 (Fedora 9, I don't know how to abbreviate it) on a powerpc |
| 18:11.03 | herlo | F9 is correct :) |
| 18:11.15 | herlo | opapo: w00t! |
| 18:11.58 | opapo | not to be confused with a function key |
| 18:12.08 | herlo | hehe, or maybe it is |
| 18:12.41 | herlo | maybe Fedora 9 (F9) *is* a function key, or in other words, vital to your computer :) |
| 18:12.43 | opapo | herlo: I think firmware needs to be upgraded on the macs to load Hardy |
| 18:12.49 | herlo | ew |
| 18:12.54 | opapo | lol |
| 18:13.03 | herlo | opapo: I thought Ubuntu stopped shipping PPC ?? |
| 18:14.13 | opapo | There are people still shipping it |
| 18:14.27 | opapo | I think it is considered a port |
| 18:14.29 | Yorokobi | 6.06 was the last supported version of Ubuntu for PPC and Sparc |
| 18:15.26 | herlo | that's what I thought |
| 18:23.42 | fozzmoo | herlo: Chill on the evangelism, man. :) |
| 18:23.48 | fozzmoo | He's using Linux already. |
| 18:24.13 | Yorokobi | Free|OpenBSD still supports PPC |
| 18:24.15 | Yorokobi | :) |
| 18:26.42 | opapo | fozzzmoo: I understand herlo. It's ok |
| 18:26.49 | opapo | I was throwing him a bone |
| 18:29.14 | herlo | fozzmoo: lol |
| 18:30.02 | herlo | opapo knows me, and he won't hate me for bringing him further into the fold with more distros :) |
| 18:30.13 | herlo | at least I don't think he'll hate me |
| 18:30.29 | herlo | worries <feverishly> |
| 18:31.49 | opapo | herlo: I won't hate you for this |
| 18:32.43 | herlo | yay! |
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| 19:01.34 | Tene | herlo: can I hate you? |
| 19:02.53 | findlay | ~herlo Tene |
| 19:02.54 | infobot | ACTION pokes Tene in they eye with a sharp needle |
| 19:03.34 | Tene | ~sjansen findlay |
| 19:03.34 | infobot | ACTION tells findlay good things about sjansen |
| 19:07.54 | herlo | Tene: why would you want to do that? |
| 19:27.29 | herlo | http://www.michaeldehaan.net/?p=667 <-- interesting read about open source, community and freedom |
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| 19:46.15 | herlo | points out that floggin molly is playing at saltair tomorrow |
| 19:48.21 | linuxalien|away | back |
| 19:48.33 | linuxalien|away | back |
| 19:51.57 | opapo | herlo: I didn't have time to read the whole article, but I have an actual reason for using Ubuntu. Most things seem to just work. |
| 19:52.04 | opapo | I can't speak for F9 yet |
| 19:52.35 | opapo | but Ubuntu seems to be making things idiot proof, which benefits me. |
| 19:59.37 | herlo | opapo: not trying to beat down Ubuntu, just thought it was an interesting read. Especially based upon the remarks that Shuttleworth posted in his latest interview. |
| 19:59.56 | herlo | thinks Ubuntu is great and fills a definite niche |
| 20:00.24 | decriptor | herlo: did you fix that ad |
| 20:00.38 | herlo | decriptor: yes, its up |
| 20:00.44 | decriptor | well |
| 20:00.44 | herlo | isn't completely happy with it though |
| 20:00.48 | decriptor | email me the link |
| 20:00.56 | herlo | that's why I haven't sent it out, have a look first |
| 20:00.57 | decriptor | don't have time for that |
| 20:01.26 | herlo | http://dl.utosc.com/08/pdfs/utosc2008ad-new.pdf |
| 20:01.32 | herlo | decriptor: sure you do |
| 20:01.37 | herlo | it takes 3 minutes |
| 20:01.42 | decriptor | I'm on the phone with them |
| 20:01.52 | herlo | lol, okay |
| 20:02.01 | herlo | well, I was able to make CMYK of it for them |
| 20:02.21 | herlo | decriptor: sorry, its been a crazy day. I guess I'm glad I worked on it last night |
| 20:02.25 | findlay | what about a PQRST format? |
| 20:02.26 | decriptor | thanks |
| 20:02.47 | herlo | the only problem is the color matching of the utosc gears logo |
| 20:02.52 | herlo | with the banner |
| 20:03.09 | herlo | if they could make it look more like our original color, I'd be happier, but it'll work |
| 20:03.32 | herlo | decriptor: ^^ |
| 20:08.05 | herlo | just finished packaging what looks to be the first Fedora package of darkice :) |
| 20:19.30 | opapo | Is there a way to setup a linux server to act as an iTunes server? |
| 20:21.51 | herlo | heavens no! |
| 20:21.58 | sontek | opapo: http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/ |
| 20:22.00 | herlo | :) just kidding, I don't know. |
| 20:22.09 | sontek | opapo: thats what I use |
| 20:22.30 | herlo | opapo: I think what you want is a streaming media server? |
| 20:24.12 | opapo | My boss bought a 6TB Mac server for $16,000 so he could have a podcast server and be part of some special group |
| 20:24.24 | sontek | herlo: itunes has its own protocol called daap |
| 20:24.47 | Jayce^ | mt-daapd |
| 20:24.57 | sontek | Jayce^: mt-daapd renamed to firefly |
| 20:25.17 | fozzmoo | daap! daap talking to me like daat! |
| 20:26.53 | fozzmoo | Is the boot param I want called norhgb? |
| 20:27.41 | fozzmoo | Yeah- that looks right. |
| 20:28.06 | herlo | sontek: interesting |
| 20:28.45 | herlo | doesn't do enough with itunes stuffs. Doesn't see how its any better/worse than the free solutions out there ala magnatune/last.fm/somafm/etc |
| 20:29.25 | sontek | opapo: tell your boss i'll set him up one for 10,000 and it'll only cost me the cost of an old crappy computer ;) |
| 20:29.32 | opapo | sontek: I was sure I could do what he wanted for cheaper, but he really wanted to be part of some group |
| 20:29.46 | sontek | Apple is a cult, you can't reason with those people |
| 20:29.49 | sontek | looks at Jayce^ |
| 20:29.56 | opapo | :) |
| 20:30.49 | opapo | He can be reasoned with, but there was a small window for the school district to have their own iTunes address or something like that |
| 20:31.08 | opapo | He also wanted to have 6TB of data |
| 20:31.19 | opapo | an old crappy computer wouldn't work |
| 20:31.26 | opapo | I would be interested in the setup though |
| 20:32.17 | opapo | It really bothers me when people in the Technology department buy software without looking for FL/OSS solutions |
| 20:32.43 | sontek | We run a firefly server here at work and the whole company just shares their mp3s on it |
| 20:32.47 | sontek | its great |
| 20:33.17 | opapo | are you still with Morris? |
| 20:33.34 | opapo | or in that building? |
| 20:34.11 | sontek | opapo: yeah |
| 20:34.31 | opapo | ok |
| 20:34.35 | sontek | We setup a tunnel between our network and theirs so all of their employees can pull from it too |
| 20:34.46 | opapo | cool |
| 20:35.00 | opapo | There is so much cool stuff out there |
| 20:35.14 | opapo | I learn about something new about every week |
| 20:35.51 | fozzmoo | What software can act as a firefly client? Amarok? xmms? |
| 20:36.33 | sontek | fozzmoo: any that support dapp, I know banshee, rhythmbox, and amarok all do |
| 20:36.36 | sontek | not sure about xmms |
| 20:36.41 | sontek | daap* |
| 20:36.41 | fozzmoo | Okay. Cool. |
| 20:36.49 | fozzmoo | daap talking to me like daat! |
| 21:13.35 | sontek | herlo: I think the major thing it does better than any of those free sites is it has a standard api |
| 21:13.52 | sontek | herlo: so all the major players support it |
| 21:14.16 | herlo | sontek: yeah, I've heard of daap, didn't realize apple invented it... |
| 21:17.59 | sontek | damn them and their great minds |
| 21:18.23 | herlo | lol |
| 21:23.38 | opapo | I'm ready to give up on F9 powerpc |
| 21:23.45 | opapo | I can't get into root |
| 21:24.06 | opapo | I used the password I set during install, but it doesn't work |
| 21:24.22 | herlo | opapo: just boot to runlevel 1 |
| 21:24.22 | opapo | I can't su, I can't do an update on the system |
| 21:24.30 | herlo | and change it |
| 21:24.36 | opapo | I can't seem to do that |
| 21:24.44 | herlo | really? you can't access grub? |
| 21:24.50 | opapo | yaboot |
| 21:24.54 | herlo | grub comes up when you boot... |
| 21:24.58 | herlo | even on macs |
| 21:25.11 | herlo | oh, but these are the older ones... |
| 21:25.18 | opapo | exactly |
| 21:25.29 | opapo | they use yaboot, not grub |
| 21:25.45 | herlo | is there a kernel line in yaboot? |
| 21:25.53 | herlo | one that might say vmlinuz... |
| 21:26.17 | opapo | That is all stripped from me |
| 21:26.22 | opapo | feels naked |
| 21:26.28 | herlo | in what sense? |
| 21:26.36 | opapo | when it boots... |
| 21:26.37 | herlo | isn't a ppc expert and wishes they would just DIE! |
| 21:26.57 | herlo | but notes it won't be any easier in Ubuntu |
| 21:26.58 | opapo | agrees more and more with this project |
| 21:27.38 | opapo | when I boot I get the option of continue booting or boot from cd |
| 21:27.44 | opapo | I continue |
| 21:28.19 | opapo | then I have the option of continueing and I don't know of a way to go into single user mode |
| 21:29.18 | opapo | herlo: I must agree. this would not be any easier in Ubuntu |
| 21:29.41 | findlay | isn't there a kernel option you can pass? |
| 21:29.51 | findlay | can you access the kernel boot command? |
| 21:31.02 | herlo | findlay: can't get there |
| 21:31.11 | herlo | findlay: if it were grub, it'd be easy |
| 21:31.31 | findlay | well, shove grub onto it :) |
| 21:32.05 | herlo | http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/yaboot-howto/ |
| 21:32.23 | herlo | findlay: it won't work because it doesn't support the partition scheme of ppc |
| 21:32.37 | herlo | opapo: have you tried the livecd from fedora? |
| 21:32.53 | herlo | supposedly that works, but I don't know if there's a ppc one |
| 21:34.40 | opapo | herlo:I'll try a livecd. I guess. |
| 21:34.51 | opapo | I really don't want to do this much longer |
| 21:35.23 | herlo | me neither |
| 21:35.54 | opapo | I get a glimmer of hope so I beat myself senseless. I am about to give up then there is another glimmer of hope. |
| 21:36.07 | opapo | I just want this to be over. |
| 21:37.59 | opapo | herlo: I do appreciate all that you do for me. |
| 21:38.07 | herlo | lol |
| 21:38.12 | herlo | I'm glad you appreciate it |
| 21:38.36 | herlo | opapo: I've not forgotten about those iMacs! |
| 21:39.20 | herlo | memilyrae: ping |
| 21:59.50 | herlo | decriptor: I like the new LJ logo on our site :) |
| 22:00.24 | herlo | smithtix is like the worst site I've been to in years! |
| 22:00.32 | herlo | s/like // |
| 22:27.33 | memilyrae | herlo: pong |
| 22:30.53 | decriptor | herlo: :) |
| 22:38.42 | herlo | memilyrae: tshirts?? |
| 22:54.31 | fozzmoo | memilyrae: Underwear?? |
| 22:54.45 | fozzmoo | Uh... Oh. I get it. |
| 22:54.48 | fozzmoo | never mind. |
| 23:16.10 | memilyrae | fozzmoo: Yeah...I don't think we should hand out underwear |
| 23:16.57 | memilyrae | herlo: I've got most of the pieces...just seeing if Victor has enough time to change our logo to svg. the ones I have are only pngs |
| 23:52.02 | herlo | memilyrae: uh, svg? im realizing we need some better tools. |
| 23:52.33 | herlo | i like inkscape, but if it cant convert stuff, it makes things tough |
| 23:53.32 | herlo | i might also be able to convert it now in Gimp btw. they have a new plugin that converts to cmyk |
| 23:55.56 | herlo | gets on a plane |
| 23:56.02 | herlo | soon |