| 00:07.06 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: just CC me |
| 00:07.19 | Heartsbane | on that thing we were talking about |
| 00:07.25 | peno | it's a trap! |
| 00:07.45 | undertakingyou | peno: that is for certain. |
| 00:08.05 | Heartsbane | P.E.N.O. == Public Enemy Number One |
| 00:08.07 | peno | undertakingyou: everything is a trap |
| 00:08.24 | peno | Heartsbane: don't forget penix |
| 00:08.45 | Heartsbane | all prompts are 8=====D ~ |
| 00:08.49 | peno | :D |
| 00:09.32 | peno | if only I was ambitious enough to create my own distro.. |
| 00:10.16 | Zelut | heartsbane: pm? |
| 00:11.23 | Heartsbane | 6:10PM yes |
| 00:11.28 | peno | smartass |
| 00:11.55 | Zelut | maats a long walk |
| 00:12.09 | Heartsbane | go ahead :) |
| 00:48.59 | Gate | someone beat you to it. |
| 00:48.59 | Gate | http://www.very.net/~nikolai/penix/ |
| 00:54.02 | Heartsbane | peno: LOL http://www.very.net/~nikolai/penix/ |
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| 01:32.42 | peno | lol |
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| 03:20.46 | aioven | herlo: hello! |
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| 05:07.27 | memilyrae | Heartsbane: Is your wiki being maintained? I still laugh at that!!! All day long I've laughed at that!!! |
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| 05:28.54 | findlay | ~laugh |
| 05:28.54 | infobot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 05:29.17 | DexterTheDragon | ~dance |
| 05:29.17 | infobot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 05:29.55 | findlay | ~laugh |
| 05:29.56 | infobot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 05:30.07 | findlay | ~funny |
| 05:30.07 | infobot | well, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 05:30.53 | findlay | man, this mustard is HOT |
| 05:31.00 | DexterTheDragon | dead link |
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| 15:35.14 | kkubasik | sooo, is there like a geek lunch today |
| 15:35.19 | kkubasik | slash what is that |
| 15:36.28 | decriptor | kkubasik: you feel you are geeky enough? |
| 15:37.18 | davidfetter | gets his geek on |
| 15:37.25 | davidfetter | great meeting last night, btw :) |
| 15:40.59 | kkubasik | decriptor: hahha, i always need some nerd |
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| 15:41.48 | decriptor | kkubasik: :) |
| 15:43.00 | kkubasik | oo, its in draper too, not to far for me |
| 15:43.24 | decriptor | kkubasik: link? |
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| 20:00.27 | Heartsbane | memilyrae: you know of anyone that could maintain 'my wiki' |
| 20:01.48 | peno | that's a little personal you think |
| 20:02.03 | Heartsbane | she brought it up |
| 20:05.01 | peno | oic |
| 20:21.58 | findlay | anyone want to try out my (and ggundy's) django hack?: http://www.djangosnippets.org/snippets/749/ |
| 20:26.40 | opapo | What does anyone use to open visio files? |
| 20:27.03 | opapo | I run Ubuntu and my collegues run Windows. |
| 20:27.22 | opapo | They use visio and I need to open their documents. |
| 20:28.25 | findlay | ugh, visio, :( |
| 20:28.53 | davidfetter | afaik, only visio opens visio docs |
| 20:29.24 | Heartsbane | can you export it to any other format |
| 20:29.56 | Heartsbane | findlay: that is interesting, but I have no use for it, but I know where to find it if I do |
| 20:30.45 | findlay | opapo: you can either A) tell them to install pdfcreator, or B) laugh at them for being fettered by vendor lockin |
| 20:32.51 | opapo | thanks |
| 20:32.58 | opapo | I will think something up |
| 20:33.13 | opapo | They are leaning towards Linux, but they are not there yet |
| 20:33.21 | opapo | I need a big gust of wind |
| 20:33.26 | opapo | any volunteers? |
| 20:33.46 | peno | afaik, .vsd can only be opened by visio itself |
| 20:34.22 | peno | there are alternatives in linux that do the same thing, but I don't believe they can open a .vsd |
| 20:35.46 | opapo | peno: thanks |
| 20:42.11 | fozzmoo | Visio... |
| 20:42.23 | fozzmoo | openproj can open Visio XML files. |
| 20:42.33 | fozzmoo | No, wait... |
| 20:42.38 | fozzmoo | openproj can open PROJECT files. |
| 20:42.47 | fozzmoo | dia can open visio XML files |
| 20:43.05 | fozzmoo | But hardly anyone saves those files. |
| 20:44.11 | opapo | fozzmoo: thanks. I will see if they will save it in visio xml format |
| 20:48.17 | davidfetter | fozzmoo, it can? |
| 20:48.30 | davidfetter | last i checked, dia *couldn't* open visio |
| 20:49.15 | fozzmoo | Yep. .vdx file. |
| 20:49.39 | fozzmoo | I'm running 0.96.1 |
| 20:49.57 | davidfetter | cool! |
| 20:50.13 | davidfetter | resolves to give dia another shot |
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| 21:13.07 | opapo | fozzmoo: If someone sends you a .vdx file can you edit it, save it and have the visio person open it and see what you changed? |
| 21:13.46 | fozzmoo | No idea. :) |
| 21:14.11 | opapo | I can open a .vdx file, but I can't do much with it |
| 21:14.57 | opapo | Never mind |
| 21:15.27 | opapo | I will have to find some other diagramming tool that is "pretty" and runs on Windows and Linux |
| 21:16.10 | fozzmoo | Good luck. |
| 21:16.17 | fozzmoo | I use OpenOffice Draw |
| 21:16.25 | fozzmoo | It does a half-decent job. |
| 21:16.45 | fozzmoo | But, again, there is no interoperability with Visio. |
| 21:17.46 | davidfetter | what about inkscape? |
| 21:18.05 | findlay | MS Paint! |
| 21:18.10 | fozzmoo | Inkscape isn't really a diagramming tool |
| 21:18.16 | fozzmoo | It's a vector drawing tool. |
| 21:18.40 | fozzmoo | OOo Draw is a vector drawing tool too- but it has some built-in support for drawing diagrams. |
| 21:18.58 | davidfetter | k |
| 21:19.36 | findlay | graphviz ftw? |
| 21:20.01 | findlay | metapost |
| 21:20.05 | findlay | postscript |
| 21:20.11 | findlay | html! |
| 21:20.43 | decriptor | herlo: ping |
| 21:21.30 | davidfetter | neckties |
| 21:21.32 | davidfetter | contracts |
| 21:21.36 | davidfetter | high voltage! |
| 21:21.42 | opapo | ?????? |
| 21:21.51 | findlay | yay!? |
| 21:21.57 | davidfetter | queues up "dirty deeds" for opapo |
| 21:22.31 | opapo | again ?????? |
| 21:22.56 | davidfetter | not much of an ac/dc fan? |
| 21:23.41 | opapo | davidfetter: sorry, before my time |
| 21:23.47 | davidfetter | heh |
| 21:23.53 | opapo | nor is it my type of music |
| 21:23.54 | davidfetter | they're still playing |
| 21:24.02 | decriptor | ac/dc is everyone's time |
| 21:24.36 | opapo | I knew that they were playing before I started listening to music and I don't care for that type of music |
| 21:24.48 | opapo | I'm more of the soft hits type |
| 21:25.01 | decriptor | shakes his head in disappointment |
| 21:25.07 | fozzmoo | skips across the stage in shorts with a guitar hanging down his ankles. |
| 21:25.13 | opapo | decriptor: sorry |
| 21:25.22 | davidfetter | fozzmoo, heh |
| 21:25.23 | opapo | fozzmoo: lol |
| 21:25.25 | decriptor | the youth of today :) |
| 21:25.39 | opapo | decriptor: how old are you? |
| 21:25.43 | decriptor | :) |
| 21:25.56 | decriptor | 26 |
| 21:25.58 | decriptor | :) |
| 21:26.11 | opapo | You can't call my youth |
| 21:26.16 | decriptor | lol |
| 21:26.17 | findlay | I'm 99 |
| 21:26.25 | davidfetter | is 13 |
| 21:26.26 | opapo | findlay: yeah right |
| 21:26.32 | davidfetter | in the appropriat base ;) |
| 21:26.36 | decriptor | I just like to cause trouble |
| 21:26.36 | findlay | 99+ |
| 21:26.51 | opapo | davidfetter: ok |
| 21:26.59 | opapo | I was thinking in base 10 |
| 21:27.25 | decriptor | opapo: how are you? |
| 21:27.46 | opapo | I'm alright |
| 21:28.04 | decriptor | can't look at code and type at the same time |
| 21:28.08 | decriptor | s/are/old/ |
| 21:28.34 | opapo | 1F |
| 21:28.39 | decriptor | cute |
| 21:28.47 | Heartsbane | hex |
| 21:28.52 | decriptor | you are going to make me thing about are you |
| 21:29.22 | opapo | I am officially thirty something |
| 21:29.25 | davidfetter | 0x27 |
| 21:29.39 | decriptor | how is ac/dc before your time |
| 21:30.24 | opapo | When I started listening to music it was my dad's Neil Diamond and Fleetwood Mac |
| 21:30.26 | findlay | air conditioning/dirt conditioning? |
| 21:30.28 | davidfetter | i suppose he was a little young to go to a concert w/bonn scott |
| 21:30.55 | opapo | I did listen to Bon Jovi for a bit |
| 21:31.11 | opapo | some Beastie Boys |
| 21:31.17 | opapo | but never ac/dc |
| 21:31.56 | decriptor | the first cd I ever bought was metallica master of puppets |
| 21:32.27 | findlay | my first CD was Mozart's requium mass |
| 21:33.42 | opapo | findlay: do you like that now? |
| 21:33.49 | findlay | sure do |
| 21:33.55 | opapo | ok |
| 21:33.56 | findlay | one of Mozart's masterworks |
| 21:34.15 | findlay | I have 3 recordings of it now |
| 21:34.19 | opapo | I can listen to classical, but appreciating it is different |
| 21:36.04 | opapo | findlay: how are you 99+ |
| 21:36.08 | opapo | what base is that? |
| 21:36.30 | findlay | memory must have been corrupted |
| 21:39.18 | opapo | finlay: lol |
| 21:40.27 | Heartsbane | findlay: you think that is corrupted wait until you get your broadweave |
| 21:43.16 | opapo | fozzmoo: what part of oo draw do you use for uml? |
| 21:43.30 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:43.39 | opapo | I see the flowchart stuff, but that's kind of hokie |
| 21:43.45 | fozzmoo | To my knowledge, there are no UML-specific shapes in OOo |
| 21:44.03 | fozzmoo | You might be able to find them online and install them, tho. I've never looked for that. |
| 21:44.12 | opapo | I'll try that |
| 21:44.14 | fozzmoo | For UML stuff, I've had good luck with ArgoUML |
| 21:44.20 | fozzmoo | And that's cross-platform |
| 21:44.29 | fozzmoo | (Java, *cough cough*) |
| 21:45.23 | sontek | Umbrello is a good UML program, its written in Qt though, for GNOME the best I've seen is Dia |
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| 21:51.53 | fozzmoo | Qt/GTK really shouldn't be an issue these days. |
| 21:52.01 | fozzmoo | Use whatever fits your requirements. |
| 21:58.02 | opapo | fozzmoo: requirements are "pretty" and cross-platform |
| 21:58.25 | opapo | I tried ArgoUml and that won't cut it |
| 21:58.32 | opapo | I will try umbrello |
| 22:02.37 | fozzmoo | opapo: ArgoUML appeals to developers and not executives. |
| 22:02.55 | fozzmoo | It is very good at accurately representing your design but aesthetics are not its strong point. |
| 22:03.15 | fozzmoo | I used to take Argo diagrams into gimp and shade and shadow them to make them more acceptable. :) |
| 22:08.26 | opapo | I am looking for a database diagrammer |
| 22:09.26 | opapo | as well as a page flow diagrammer |
| 22:10.20 | opapo | for developers, but one wants it to be pretty |
| 22:10.21 | opapo | I' |
| 22:11.04 | opapo | ll just give up and let him do his diagrams, I'll do mine and we can save them as a flat file |
| 22:11.30 | opapo | I've been banging my head against this brick wall for too long |
| 22:11.45 | opapo | throws up his hands for the day |
| 22:12.32 | opapo | thanks for everyone's help |
| 22:12.42 | opapo | I know more than I did earlier |
| 22:12.57 | opapo | I wish the constraints weren't so rigid |
| 22:16.51 | fozzmoo | Have a good weekend apapo |
| 22:17.10 | opapo | fozzmoo: thanks for your help |
| 22:17.15 | fozzmoo | np |
| 22:17.17 | opapo | you have a good weekend too. |
| 22:17.31 | davidfetter | ponders nondeterministic polynomials |
| 22:17.48 | opapo | furrows his brow |
| 22:18.35 | davidfetter | "np" |
| 22:20.12 | findlay | P=NP |
| 22:20.13 | findlay | ! |
| 22:22.14 | opapo | understands now |
| 22:25.33 | decriptor | !w00t google |
| 22:25.42 | decriptor | ~w00t google |
| 22:25.42 | infobot | stfu, google |
| 22:26.05 | decriptor | herlo: google is sponsoring us again this year |
| 22:26.07 | decriptor | !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:26.19 | opapo | decriptor: great! |
| 22:34.10 | decriptor | opapo: oh yeah |
| 22:34.27 | decriptor | I think we have 4 confirmed sponsors and some more to come |
| 22:36.04 | opapo | that's great |
| 22:36.08 | opapo | got to go |
| 22:52.06 | whiteinge | herlo or Heartsbane: The recording for UPyUG last night is a no-go. I plugged my laptop into a non-functioning outlet and it died. |
| 22:52.54 | whiteinge | herlo or Heartsbane: The topic was 85% visual though, so the audio would've been pretty boring anyway. :-P |
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| 22:54.06 | Heartsbane | k |
| 22:54.43 | Heartsbane | whiteinge: how was it otherwise |
| 22:54.58 | Heartsbane | whiteinge: good presentation |
| 22:55.00 | Heartsbane | ??? |
| 22:55.11 | whiteinge | yeah, it really was. |
| 22:55.46 | whiteinge | i mean, there was a lot of drivel about not-Vim, but that other part was really great |
| 22:55.48 | Heartsbane | whiteinge: sontek was the presenter? |
| 22:55.53 | whiteinge | one of 'em |
| 22:56.07 | Heartsbane | cool who else did I miss? |
| 22:57.40 | whiteinge | EnigmaCurry, jbellis, byronc |
| 22:57.52 | whiteinge | i'm missing someone... |
| 22:58.03 | Heartsbane | who is EnigmaCurry? |
| 22:58.10 | Heartsbane | I know jbellis |
| 22:59.07 | whiteinge | Ryan McGuire |
| 22:59.59 | Heartsbane | oh don't know him, unless that is Jbellis's coworker I always forget his name |
| 23:00.15 | Heartsbane | kkubasik: mibbit sux |
| 23:00.44 | whiteinge | yeah, it is |
| 23:12.58 | sontek | They were good presentations |
| 23:13.10 | sontek | I saw some things in emacs that impressed me |
| 23:13.46 | sontek | I felt bad about my presentation because I didn't know a lot about eclipse/pydev since I'm mainly vim |
| 23:13.58 | sontek | but it does the majority of things that wing and komodo do |
| 23:15.45 | Heartsbane | people still use emacs? |
| 23:16.51 | sontek | Heartsbane: the majority of developers I know use emacs |
| 23:16.56 | sontek | very few use vim |
| 23:17.01 | sontek | in my circle of friends anyways |
| 23:17.56 | Heartsbane | sontek: did Pete Mackey from XM ever email you? |
| 23:18.01 | sontek | Heartsbane: no |
| 23:18.22 | sontek | Heartsbane: but Chris Toshok and Miguel from mono use it, and then all the python guys I know use it |
| 23:18.26 | sontek | everyone loves emacs :P |
| 23:20.20 | sontek | Heartsbane: when was he supposed to email me? |
| 23:34.58 | Heartsbane | I was hopign sometime Thursday, Justin handed it over to Pete so, he no longer handles that |
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