IRC log for #utos on 20080420

00:03.57fozzmooOh. I'm supposed to be somewhere.
00:03.59fozzmooInstead, I
00:04.05fozzmooInstead, I'm at home yelling at my kids.
00:04.09fozzmooDang.
00:05.59herlofozzmoo: you need help.
00:06.22fozzmooherlo: You want to come join me and yell at my kids too?
00:09.55herlofozzmoo: anytime
00:11.00*** join/#utos jsmith (n=jsmith@72.21.36.138)
00:11.01herlohey
00:11.07undertakingyouherlo: pong
00:11.13herloso I'm a bit lost mr smith
00:11.24jsmithhas arrived
00:11.31herloundertakingyou: hi
00:11.34jsmithherlo: OK... I see you have two SIP clients registered
00:11.36undertakingyouWell Mr Anderson, you can choose to cooperate or die1
00:11.42herloyep
00:12.07fozzmooSomeone wanna give me the schpill and I'll register?
00:12.17undertakingyouhi cousin!!!
00:13.15herlojsmith: so what do we dial to do a conference call, to test and what not?
00:13.22jsmith500 to get into the conference call
00:13.28herloI tried 5000
00:13.30jsmith501 to do an echo test
00:13.42jsmith601 to call herlo
00:13.51jsmith602 to call herlo2
00:14.18jsmithHold on and I'll jump on as well
00:15.27herlojsmith: k, I think we're ongoing
00:16.00jsmithherlo: Let me know if you need more SIP registrations, etc.
00:16.20herlojsmith: 10 is plenty
00:16.38jsmithherlo: OK... right now you only have 2, so let me create you some more
00:16.46jsmithherlo: Any particular names you want me to give them?
00:16.50herlojsmith: sure
00:17.13herloherlo, undertakingyou, fozzmoo, sshaw, heartsbane, jayce, memilyrae
00:17.34herloand sontek, plus just leave the herlo's there too
00:17.35penommm. voip.
00:20.16fozzmooregistration failed.
00:21.03herlofozzmoo: jsmith is creating us accounts
00:21.06fozzmoogot it
00:21.10jsmithfozzmoo: I just *barely* created your account
00:21.10herlo:)
00:21.17jsmithfozzmoo: Your username is fozzmoo, your password is "utos"
00:21.22fozzmook. thx
00:21.31herlojsmith: are you in there?
00:21.44jsmithWorking on it.... gotta get a phone plugged in here
00:21.49herlok, np
00:21.51fozzmooI am registered!
00:21.53jsmithfozzmoo is registered!
00:22.05fozzmooAnd buffered.
00:22.10fozzmooAnd error correcting.
00:22.23fozzmoosorry.
00:22.27fozzmoolame, me
00:22.35herlofozzmoo: can you talk?
00:22.39fozzmooSure.
00:22.44fozzmooI have my headset plugged in.
00:22.45herloI want to hear you though...
00:22.55fozzmooWho calls what?
00:23.14herlofozzmoo: call 500
00:23.23herloits a conference call
00:23.25fozzmook
00:23.49fozzmooHee hee. Ekiga crashed.
00:23.50herlofozzmoo: are you in there?
00:23.55fozzmoohang on.
00:23.58herlonp
00:24.24fozzmooNope. Crashed again. Grrr.
00:24.41fozzmoojsmith: What codec should I be using?
00:24.49herlofozzmoo: banana
00:24.52undertakingyoujsmith: what is my password?
00:24.59fozzmoobanana?
00:25.02herlohaha
00:25.09herloits the banana protocol
00:25.11jsmithundertakingyou: utos
00:25.28jsmithEveryone has a password of "utos" now
00:25.33herlocan anyone hear us talking?
00:25.38herlojsmith: me too?
00:25.39jsmithIf you want something different, send me a private message
00:25.49jsmithherlo: I'll set yours back to what they were.
00:25.56herlojsmith: either way
00:26.09jsmithherlo: You decide
00:26.19herlojsmith: I'll pm you later
00:28.27jsmithherlo: Can you hear me?
00:28.35herlojsmith: undertakingyou has my headphones
00:28.40jsmithundertakingyou: I muted you, as you were making lots of noise
00:29.00herlojsmith: can you hear us talking still
00:29.04undertakingyoujsmith: that is weird, no one could hear me.
00:29.06undertakingyouHmm . . .
00:29.12herloare you sure that wasn't me?
00:29.17jsmithundertakingyou: I couldn't hear you talk, but I could hear a bunch of noise
00:29.25jsmithherlo: Well, let's unmute him and see.
00:29.35herloI can put mine on mute
00:29.43herlomine is on mute
00:30.21undertakingyoujsmith: I didn't hear any change when you muted me.
00:30.39undertakingyouherlo muted his own mic and it cleaned up
00:30.52jsmithundertakingyou: No, it's *you*
00:30.59undertakingyouok.
00:31.02undertakingyouwhatever.
00:31.09herloundertakingyou's mic sucks?
00:31.17jsmithundertakingyou: herlo is causing a *tiny* bit of background noise, but when I unmute you, the conference is impossible to understand
00:31.21fozzmooMaybe it's too good.
00:31.49herlocan you hear us now?
00:32.15jsmithherlo: I can hear you talking about reimbursing people for headsets
00:32.20herlojsmith: perfect
00:32.28herlojsmith: sounds like things are working, thank you
00:32.40jsmithherlo: Need anything else from me
00:32.47herlonah, we're good
00:33.42herlothanks
00:33.57herlojsmith: can we record these things too?
00:34.08jsmithherlo: Give the word, and it'll be recorded... but you'll have to call back in
00:34.09fozzmooNot sure we'd want to.
00:34.23herlojsmith: np, I'll consider it.
00:34.26fozzmooSome things are better left unheard by posterity. :)
00:34.37herlofozzmoo: that was more for a one on one conversation
00:35.01fozzmooherlo: Are you using a speakerphone or something?
00:36.41fozzmooI've got a Grandstream GXP-2000 upstairs I could set up as well.
00:39.33herlofozzmoo: I'm hung up now
00:39.44fozzmooShould I hang up?
00:39.51herloare you in there fozzmoo ?
00:39.56herlowe can't hear you
00:40.20jsmithherlo: You need to re-register with "utos" as your password
00:40.25herlojsmith: ahh
00:40.27herlowill do
00:40.31fozzmoo~thwack herlo
00:40.31infobotACTION beats herlo on the eblow with a 5ESS Switch
00:40.52jsmithNice ;-)
00:43.13fozzmoohttp://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=dairy-comfort-bra.jpg
00:44.54jsmithhttp://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=hacker.jpg&category=Candy&date=1996-07-25
00:47.45fozzmooherlo: Problems?
00:50.45jsmithherlo: Did you die?
00:56.11jsmithfozzmoo: You still on the conference?
00:57.38jsmithherlo: I'm gonna grab some dinner... ping my cell if/when you want me to jump back on the conf
00:57.43fozzmooheh.
01:06.14herloi am driving home
01:08.43herlowhiteinge: if you see this i might be late by 5 minutes
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01:16.14whiteingeherlo: thanks for the heads-up. i'm gonna be late too--maybe 8:00.
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02:04.23herlok
02:13.17Heartsbaneanyone want to help me test my VOIP stuff
02:13.38Heartsbanejsmith-away: YOU ROCK
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02:16.05herloall tested and ready to roll
02:16.52herlo<PROTECTED>
02:16.53herlo<PROTECTED>
02:17.01HeartsbaneI am in the conference call
02:17.04Heartsbane:)
02:17.07herloHeartsbane: that sucks!, but its better than 32kbps
02:17.13herloI'll join you
02:18.12herlocan you hear me
02:18.30Heartsbaneya I can hear you
02:21.29herlocan you hear me now?
02:21.36Heartsbaneno can you hear me?
02:21.41herlono
02:21.46herloI can nothear youi
02:21.54HeartsbaneIt says you answered the call
02:22.14herloI know
02:22.16herloit rang
02:22.17Heartsbanehang up ...
02:22.19herlok
02:22.30HeartsbaneWhy did you do that
02:22.40Heartsbanecall me
02:22.57herlowhat is your number?
02:23.13Heartsbaneum ...........
02:23.18HeartsbaneI don't know
02:23.42herlocall me again, and I'll look around
02:24.25Heartsbaneare you 501 right?
02:24.28herloyes
02:25.01Heartsbanecan you hear me NOW!!!
02:25.04herlono call
02:25.51Heartsbanetry 502 working your way up
02:25.56herloI can still dial into the conference call, but I can't call you
02:26.42herlonothing
02:26.46Heartsbanehmmmmmmm ....... we will get it worked out
02:26.49herloI thought it was 601-608 though
02:26.53herlotried most of those too
02:26.56Heartsbanenope
02:27.04Heartsbanegot to conference call
02:27.06herlonope what?
02:27.12Heartsbanes/got/go/
02:27.19herlothere
02:31.29herlojsmith-away: ping, I'd like a list of hte numbers for the users and their sip phone extensions
02:33.58herlowhere did you go?
02:34.02herloHeartsbane: !!!
02:34.07herlohaha
02:39.59HeartsbaneVoip is cool
02:45.14herloyes it is...
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03:17.19penoherlo: you may just have a dsl modem that's dying..
03:17.57Heartsbanepeno: tried 2 modems same result
03:18.09penowhat modems?
03:18.14Heartsbanestrung straight to the box
03:18.16Heartsbane678
03:18.30herlopeno: I could, but I doubt it
03:18.40penotried those two that I gave you awhile back hearts?
03:18.48Heartsbaneyes
03:18.49herlopeno: thems the ones
03:19.01penoone of them was flaky when I used it.
03:19.32herlohrmm
03:19.37penogiven where they were sourced from, I'm not sure they're the best modems.
03:19.50Heartsbanehehehe
03:20.08Heartsbanegot a craptiontech?
03:20.17penono, just a dsl wic. :)
03:20.21herlohmm, could be the problem...
03:20.43HeartsbaneBut both 678's .... some how I don't know
03:21.04penowell, like I say.. one was flaky, and considering the source..
03:21.24Heartsbaneya
03:21.39Heartsbaneherlo: you want me to bring the other one over?
03:21.43herloHeartsbane: sure
03:21.51Heartsbanek
03:22.20Heartsbanepeno: BTW Herlo wanted me to ask if you wanted to do some network layout for UTOS
03:22.23penoif that doesn't work, I do have my backup dsl wic and router.  just something to try to rule it out.
03:22.31Heartsbaneso there I asked
03:22.34penoHeartsbane: making packets go is what I do!
03:22.54Heartsbanepeno: YES and you do it so well
03:23.18penoHeartsbane: until the internet goes down, then I have to pay. :(
03:23.39Heartsbanepeno: what are you using if you using if you are not using that DSL wic ?
03:23.56HeartsbaneCisco 1600 series?
03:23.58penoHeartsbane: I have an 1801, has a built in DSL card.
03:24.06peno1600's can't take a dsl wic
03:24.07HeartsbaneH8 in ur eyes
03:24.15Heartsbane:)
03:24.36penoI had to do awful things to get the 1801.
03:24.55Heartsbaneto a greasy italian man?
03:25.18penoHeartsbane: herlo: to answer the question, I can help out with network stuff for UTOS.
03:25.26herlopeno: awesome!
03:25.26penoHeartsbane: worse. cvg.
03:25.32HeartsbaneOH GAWD
03:26.23penoyah
03:30.14penoherlo: :)
03:43.20sontek:o
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05:06.58Heartsbanekkubasik goes bloats
06:51.49sontekdecriptor: you run beta 1 yet?
06:51.57sontekits starting to come together
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14:29.29herlonight all!
14:44.31penoit's not night, it's time for coffee
14:54.15decriptorsontek: hi  trying to
14:54.40decriptorsontek: as usually, very buggy.
15:02.44sontekdecriptor: I haven't found 1 thing wrong with b1 yet
15:02.59sontekdecriptor: well, the wpa supplicant bug is still there from a3
15:03.07sontekbut they fixed *every* issue I had found in a3
15:03.29decriptorgrub blow up on me
15:03.44decriptorgranted my dvd is bad so I did a factory install
15:04.03decriptorsontek: also yast gtk is in really really bad shape
15:04.13decriptordns server yast module is completely broken
15:04.37sontekthey were actually talking about yast gtk lastnight
15:04.42decriptoroh really
15:04.54sontekI guess they got it working lastnight
15:05.01decriptoroh cool
15:05.16decriptoryeah, once you install yast gtk, 1 click no longer works either
15:05.39sontekyeah, I do everything through zypper, thats why I haven't noticed
15:05.47decriptorI can't wait for beta 2   all of the broken features that had to make it will hopefully be mostly fixed :)
15:06.03sonteki'm loving 11, I switched to it for my main laptop lastnight
15:06.08decriptorjust trying to test a bunch of things
15:06.17decriptorI'm going to do the same as well
15:06.33decriptorI might wait for beta 2 for a couple reasons
15:06.46decriptorfinals are all of next week   so I don't have time until the week after
15:07.01decriptorand then a week after that beta 2 is out
15:07.01sontekThe big thing I'm going to try to test is the live cds, want to make sure they work flawlessly
15:07.15decriptoryeah, the live installer is still broke
15:07.16decriptorn
15:07.22decriptoror as of beta 1
15:07.26decriptorthey might have it fixed
15:08.17sonteknope, its still broken, thats why I want to test it hardcore in b2
15:08.28decriptornice
15:08.39sontekI think the majority of new users grab livecds
15:08.45sontekthey are small and easy
15:09.08sontekbut b1 took me 18 minutes to install with full gnome/etc :D
15:09.09decriptoryeah,  I like the dvds since they come with xen
15:09.14decriptornice
15:09.24decriptorI just need to get a good dvd
15:09.42decriptorI wish you could download them, torrents great and all, but slow for me
15:11.17sontekyeah, I use the webbased download when releases come out
15:11.22sontekso much faster than torrent
15:11.29sontekI can't remember what they call it... meta something
15:12.12decriptoroh
15:12.44decriptorwhats the metalink stuff,  I've never seen it before
15:13.33sontekit starts up sections of the download on multiple threads
15:13.35sonteklike torrent
15:13.39sontekbut its over http
15:13.48decriptorhow do I open it
15:14.05decriptorwhat app handles i
15:14.05decriptort
15:14.16sontekinstall aria
15:14.38sontekits awesome because instead of relying on consumers seeding, you are downloading off of all the mirrors
15:14.49decriptornice
15:25.20sontekI added the ps1 tip from opensuse weekly to all my servers
15:25.28decriptornice
15:25.30sontekI didn't know you could stick info to the top of the term in in ps1
15:25.44decriptorI looked at it, but didn't get a chance to really read over it
15:25.56decriptorthis thing isn't working, I'm just getting an error
15:27.19sontekhttp://www.zoitz.com/archives/14
15:29.25decriptorthat's funny
15:30.48decriptorall of these metalinks are just erroring out on me
15:35.37decriptorall I get from that metalink file is a torrent file
15:35.50decriptorthis sucks
15:36.54decriptorI thik I found one of my problems
15:37.40decriptorsontek: I don't understand this
15:37.52decriptorso I used that aria program and it downloaded 2 files
15:37.57herlopeno: I didn't go to bed, wanna get coffee?
15:39.47herlosontek: what you are describing sounds an awful lot like jigdo
15:40.02decriptorsontek: so is that only for the torrent then?
15:43.22herlofreak! this is getting good, I already have speakers showing up that have been approved!
15:43.36herlonew code, of course :)
15:45.28decriptorhow was hacknight
15:48.26herlodecriptor: still going
15:49.04decriptorfine, how is hacknight
15:49.15herlodecriptor: we got most of call for volunteers, a new look, an approved presentation listing and a bunch of cool stufss.
15:49.28decriptornice
15:49.39herlooh, and I had already added flatpages, which allow simple static pages to be added at will
15:49.58decriptormaybe after school is out then I can come help
15:50.00herlodecriptor: yes it is
15:50.04herlodecriptor: please!
15:50.19herlowe're kicking ass, but we need to kick some more all the time
15:50.26decriptoryeah
15:50.34herlowhat we need right now, is testers though...
15:51.13herlohttp://code.google.com/p/utos-conman/wiki/README <-- good place to start
15:51.18herlohint, hint! :)
15:51.30decriptorremind me thursday evening
15:51.40herlo:) will do
15:51.47decriptorat that point I'm free
15:51.48herlogives himself a task to remind decriptor
15:52.48herlohm is down again... :(
15:52.52herlothe im part anyway
16:04.31herlolistens to cake while coding this morning...at about 12 real hours of code now...
16:21.31sontekherlo: it is similar to jigdo, I think its more widely used since its been around longer and better supported
16:21.42sontekI don't know anyone outside of debian who adopted jigdo
16:22.20herlosontek: fedora
16:22.25herloits new in F9
16:22.40herlosontek: and ubuntu has already adopted it
16:22.53herlobut its good to know...
16:23.09sontekherlo: yeah but ubuntu doesn't count, they are debians little brother, they'll do whatever he says is cool ;)
16:23.24herlo:) haha, yeah
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16:24.45sontekcheckout this ps1
16:24.47sontekexport PS1='\e[1A\e[s\e[H\e[37;44;1m\e[K \u@\h: \e[33;44;1m\w \e[199C\e[8D\e[37;44;1m [\A] \e[0m\e[u\n$ '
16:25.33herloholy crap, what does that output?
16:25.40undertakingyouherlo: how was hackfest April 08?
16:25.48herloundertakingyou: its still going!
16:25.55herlowell, for me anyway
16:26.15sontekrun it, its amazing
16:26.21sontekI can't believe I've never seen it before
16:26.24herlowe got most of call for volunteers, a new look, an approved presentation listing and a bunch of cool stufss.
16:26.28sontekits the way terminal *should* work
16:26.33herlosontek: I will in a bit
16:27.10sonteknow! *stomps foot*
16:27.18undertakingyousontek: whatis it?
16:27.45sontekits sets up your terminal to keep the directory and time info locked to the top
16:27.53sontekso its not all cluttered for every command
16:28.08herlohrmm
16:28.08sontekits amazing
16:28.18sontekprobably more impressive than string cheese
16:29.07undertakingyousontek: Actually, I do like it.
16:29.09undertakingyouthat is cool
16:34.42sontekyeah, I like it
16:34.50sontekits a neat trick
16:37.20undertakingyouSo, break that down for me could you.  The first bit sets up the blue bar, the \u@\h: is the User at Host.  After that I am lost.
16:40.09sontekundertakingyou: most of it will be better explained by man bash in the PROMPTING section
16:40.29sontekundertakingyou: I understand the basics, but I have to read the docs to get it right
16:40.34undertakingyousontek: say no more. I get the RTFM reference.
16:41.05undertakingyou:)
16:42.48sontekhaha, If I understood it more I'd try to explain it
16:42.54sontekbut I'd probably get it wrong if I did
16:43.23herloit looks like shell escaping and more coloring ot me...
16:43.44herloI would try to take it apart one section at a time and see what happens :)
16:44.19sontekwell, the first part is a control sequence that sticks everything to the top, and then the end is grabbing the time and adding the $
16:44.45sontekbut outside of that, I dunno how it all works, which is why the man page is better than me :P
16:45.39sontekactually, looks like that last part is clearing out the stick, so your commands aren't stuck up there
16:53.32sontekits way to early to be awake
16:53.42sonteki'm still sleepy
16:56.04herlome too!
17:53.44herloholy moley! I rock!
17:53.59herloconman now has speaker pages for approved presentations
18:01.42whiteingeWoo!
18:02.18herlocommitted!
18:02.31herlowhiteinge: morning
18:02.34herlowell, afternoon
18:02.39herlohasn't slept yet though...
18:03.53whiteingeg'morning! lotta commits last night, looks like your sleep-dep was well worth it. :-)
18:04.08herloof course!
18:04.20whiteingeWhy'd you axe the README in r206?
18:04.31whiteingenm
18:04.34herlooh, did I mention we that we have a channel for commits and discussion?
18:04.37herlo#utos-dev
18:04.37whiteinge'cause it's in the wiki no.
18:04.42herlohaha, yep!
18:05.01whiteingeyes, you did mention that channel
18:05.05herlowiki docs are svn'able with google code, that rules!
18:05.11herlowhiteinge: k, I'll remember that now...
18:07.02herloso I used a cool trick with flatpages.  I make a dummy flatpage for /speaker/list and then made a url.conf entry for the same.  The system then put the link in the same links as the normal flatpages, but in this case, it loaded the speaker list...
18:08.08whiteingegotcha. so it shows up with the rest but the urlconf takes precendence?
18:09.26herloright
18:09.35herloits kinda perfect
18:09.46herlobtw, we redid the look and feel too, I like it a lot
18:11.07whiteingelooks good!
18:11.33herloI know!
18:11.36herlolol
18:13.19herlowhiteinge: maybe I'll have a look at the voting app you put in place when I get some time in the next couple weeks.
18:15.05whiteingeI didn't include the docs in the svn-export, so hit the main Google Code page for those: http://code.google.com/p/django-voting/wiki/ReadMe
18:15.29herlok
18:15.47herloif you get time, I'm happy to let you work on it as well.  There is plenty to do...
18:15.51whiteingeI may have some time for that too in the near future.
18:15.53whiteinge:-)
18:16.19herloyay!
18:16.21whiteingeI can wire up some Ajax voting.
18:16.47whiteingeHooray for you guys already using jQuery! :-)
18:17.59herlohaha, I didn't know we were
18:18.12herlodoesn't really know how jquery works
18:19.08whiteingeIt's freaking fantastic if you know a little CSS and not much JS. It's also freaking fantastic if you like unobtrusive JS.
18:20.07herlocool
18:20.18herloI'm interested in learning it
18:20.21whiteingeIt's very satisfing to write a working regular form submission then just lay Ajax form submission on top of it without any (much) additional work.
18:39.58herloI did a bit with Ajax before, but I'd like to make it easier.  sounds like this might just be it
18:46.57whiteingeAjaxifying a form in one line of code:
18:46.58whiteinge$('form').submit(function(){ $.ajax({ type: 'POST', dataType: 'json', url: $(this).attr('action'), data: $(this).serialize(), }); return false; });
18:47.02whiteinge:-)
18:48.41herlothat's kind of a long line! :)
18:49.13whiteingeis a cheater
18:49.42herlohaha, yeah!
18:53.20whiteingeIn my defense it does fit on one line on my widescreen monitor...
19:00.32herlosure
19:33.47*** part/#utos AlmostThere (n=Woody@209-33-199-198-dsl.infowest.net)
19:37.20Gatewhiteinge: it fits in one line on mine too...... BOTH of mine.
19:37.48whiteingelol
19:37.55whiteingewoohoo! i'm not a cheater after all!
19:37.59Gatenow if I knew what the hell I was looking at......
19:38.28Gatehey, you can only do the three nested curlybrace, 80 char wide rule if you are in something like C
19:39.25Gatewhiteinge: that isn't PHP, I think, I am guessing perl?
19:40.01whiteingeGood guess, but it's JavaScript using jQuery syntax.
19:42.01whiteingeThat line will take any HTML form, serialize it, and submit the form via XHR.
21:06.45Gateherlo: I hope you are proud! I am about to get a virtual dedi with RH7
23:30.14Heartsbaneundertakingyou: ping

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