IRC log for #utos on 20080418

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01:28.36*** topic/#utos is Utah Open Source Foundation - utos.org | Call for papers, 2008.utosc.com - ends June 1
01:29.42herlojava is a weird language nowadays.  I'm not understanding much of the meeting.
01:31.33herloundertakingyou: are you going to uphpu?
01:48.58herloguess not
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03:54.10Zelutherlo: thanks for letting me use server1. got all the bugs worked out.
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06:03.58sontekherlo: ping
06:05.24sontekherlo: are you going to delay the release party now that Fedora is delayed?
06:07.06herlosontek: no, release party will go on, we'll use the preview release
06:07.15herloZelut: np
06:11.23sontekyou don't think the blocker bugs will cause problems?
06:12.26herlosontek: I don't think so, I'm running dev tree and its pretty stable
06:12.33sontekbanshee-1 is such an amazing application
06:12.39sontekI can't get over how good it is
06:12.49herlo:)
06:13.10sontekhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=235706&hide_resolved=1
06:13.16sontekThose are all the blocker bugs
06:13.29sontekalthough it works for you, others might have issues
06:16.02herlothey released a preview today, I'm on it
06:16.14herloand while you are right there are issues, its not abnormal
06:18.57sontekissues are normal, but i'm saying the issues were big enough for them to want to delay
06:19.23sontekso having a party with those kind of bugs might make fedora look silly
06:24.10herlonah, I think it'll be fine
06:24.26herloI don't think that many people will want to install it anyway
06:32.39herlodownloads the preview release tonight though...
06:33.05sontekbeta1 comes out tomorrow morning for suse :)
06:33.12sontekI can't wait
06:34.16herloyay!
06:34.44sontekwe had a opensuse gnome meeting today
06:34.56sontekwe are going to default back to 4 virtual desktops :P
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06:39.00herloooh, good!  That was always annoying
06:40.01sontekit always pissed me off, turns out it was an accident :P
06:40.24sontekthey put it on 1 for SLED for new users, and forgot to turn it back on in openSUSE :P
06:40.44herlohaha, figures!
06:41.01herlothat sounds like something a developer would do... and didn't realize it...
07:20.11sontekI want to see what ubuntu an fedora have done for theses new releases
07:29.31GateHeartsbane: ping
07:34.29sontekGate: hearts is what us whipper snappers like to call an old man
07:34.34sontekhe doesn't stay up past 10
07:37.14Gatetoo bad, But I will talk to him eventually
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10:48.50Gateup late AlmostThere?
10:50.19Gategasps
10:50.25GateI mean up early......
10:50.33GateI really need to learn when to go to sleep.....
12:26.47mheathHeh
13:07.28Gateyou get up this early, mheath?
13:09.08mheathOf course, I go to school.
13:09.39Gate-_^ whatever class it is, drop it. It *can't* be that important
13:09.41mheath2-3 classes in the morning, and then I work full time at night.
13:09.45mheathHeh, I agree :P
13:09.50mheathChemistry. Bah.
13:10.05GateI have only ever had 1 class before 9. I tested out in week 3.
13:10.20GateIntro to Networking my ***
13:10.23mheathI'm going to get a C in this class, because of the teachers grading policy.
13:10.31mheathI strugle with his quizzes for some reason.....
13:10.48mheathSo, even though I got 90%+ on all the test, the quizzes count for so much I'm going to get a C.
13:11.06Gateouch
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14:59.25herlomorning
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15:03.13sontekmornining
15:03.24herloreally?!
15:03.39herlosontek: we're hacking on Saturday at my house 7:30pm!
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15:29.42DexterTheDragonherlo: found another good office chair quote
15:29.47DexterTheDragon"Let's say you use this office chair for 3 years. Not accounting for leap year antics: 1,095 days. Cost of chair: $700. Daily cost of chair over 3 years: $0.64. Is your comfort worth a doughnut's worth of change a day?"
15:30.13penommm. doughnuts.
15:56.27GateHeartsbane: ping
15:56.51Gatehahah DexterTheDragon I like it
16:00.23Jayce^herlo: windley is "really excited" to have the tech breakfast pair up with UTOS
16:09.38Gate*so*. Over the weekend I am going to have a complete draft of my net neutrality paper. Who gets to be guinea pigs?!
16:17.35thaddeusqJayce^: is there anything that windley doesn't get "really excited" about?
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16:46.29herloJayce^: cool!
16:46.47herloDexterTheDragon: I'm not arguing that fact! :)
16:48.18*** topic/#utos by herlo -> Utah Open Source Conference - 2008.utosc.com | HackNight - Saturday, April 19 @ 7:30pm
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18:30.34herloJayce^: are we going to get windley to submit a presentation too?  Or are we interested in him as a local keynote?
18:39.14decriptorherlo: ping
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20:08.16herlodecriptor: pong
20:08.29macnewboldnice office chair quote, DexterTheDragon
20:09.01macnewboldbut if you weren't eating that doughnut every day, you'd be much more comfortable in a less expensive chair, and in 3 years you'd have saved almost $700
20:11.34herlomacnewbold: I dunno, donuts are pretty good.  And that chair is worth it!
20:12.12herloin fact, next week I am in a city where they will possibly have the chair available for me to try...
20:19.49Heartsbanegate: pong
20:32.18Heartsbane01:34 < sontek> Gate: hearts is what us whipper snappers like to call an old man
20:32.18Heartsbane01:34 < sontek> he doesn't stay up past 10
20:32.37Heartsbanesontek: ya right
20:32.51sontek:D
20:32.57sontekhows life?
20:33.08Heartsbanesontek: Who always takes off to code when there is free beer
20:33.18herlohaha
20:33.50HeartsbaneMr. fall_asleep_at_the_keyboard
20:33.56sontekHeartsbane: pfft, you should've been coding with me instead of trying to seduce jorge!
20:34.20sonteklol, i hate when I do that
20:34.39HeartsbaneWe still need to talk about the upstream project he convinced us of
20:34.41Heartsbanehehehe
20:37.01sontekHeartsbane: if by upstream you mean fishing + beer, i'm in.
20:37.13Heartsbanek
20:37.52sontekmy coworker has a cabin we could use
20:38.26sontekbut the only water near it is a lake, still water is great for beer/relaxing
20:38.32sontekbut not much for fishing
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21:16.29Gat1hi Heartsbane!
21:17.26GateI only vaguely recall the name of the sales guy at Xmission you sent me to, and I have a company down here that is somewhat interested in exploring them as an ISP
21:19.10HeartsbaneGate: I typically use Richard or Roger
21:19.21HeartsbaneBut Mandy and Barb are pretty cool
21:19.38GateLast name for any of them I can pass on?
21:19.56HeartsbaneGate: Richard McCallister
21:20.05GateOK, Thanks!
21:20.14HeartsbaneGate: or just ask for pashdown
21:20.18HeartsbaneD'oh
21:20.42pashdownhola
21:20.47pashdownyou rang?
21:20.58HeartsbaneOf course, most people sell his service by word of mouth...
21:21.00Gate-_^ talk about going straight to the top
21:21.20Heartsbanepashdown: just seeing if you were paying attention
21:21.25Gatehaha
21:21.28pashdownirssi never sleeps
21:21.37Heartsbaneisn't it great
21:21.46pashdownyes
21:22.07Gate:) OK, so now I feel odd in saying this...... The IT guy at my company got interested when I was telling him my joys of Xmission as an ISP
21:22.46herloloves his irssi
21:23.18pashdownyou want me to have someone give him a call?
21:23.28Heartsbanethinks herlo needs to go outside and stare up at the day star.
21:23.37herloHeartsbane: I can see the day star from here
21:23.46herlowell, sorta, it is cloudy right now
21:23.53eggyknappines for daylight
21:25.04GateI was going to pass sales info on to him since it may be a few weeks before he has time to look into it, but thanks pashdown :)
21:25.13pashdownnp
21:25.28herloeggyknap: daylight is the *good* light
21:25.44herlofluorescent light is the *evil* light
21:25.47tristanbobmust stay in the shadows...
21:25.53herlotristanbob: hi!
21:26.02tristanbobherlo, werd to your momma!
21:26.09tristanbob(I think that means hello)
21:26.10eggyknapherlo: exactly.
21:28.28herlotristanbob: k
21:28.47herloeggyknap: yay!  I have figured out the source of all *evil* light an dyou just confirmed it!
21:37.12eggyknapherlo: :)
21:39.52herlolikes the scientific process
21:44.34herloI've officially unsubscribed from the plug mailing list.  For PLUG, I now only pay attention to the plug-announce list
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21:59.27herlofozzmoo: slacker!
21:59.34fozzmooslacker?
21:59.44Supaplexslackerware?
21:59.47Supaplexoh nm
22:00.17fozzmooherlo: How did you find out about that middle name?!
22:00.52sontekHeartsbane: ping
22:01.09herlofozzmoo: that's an easy one
22:01.42herlofozzmoo: I think parents know that's going to be common among several of their children so they give it as liberally as possible
22:02.14sontekHeartsbane: I have 2 15k rpm 36gb seagate ultra u320 scsi drives, will they work in that server?
22:02.18fozzmoowow. You're smart.
22:05.16herlofozzmoo: its my middle name as well
22:07.42fozzmooherlo: Did you go to the geek lunch?
22:08.42herlofozzmoo: nope, got delayed too much at work
22:08.51herloplus I forgot my wallet at home
22:08.59fozzmoogasps
22:09.03herloI know!
22:09.26fozzmooYou know what I hate about "open source Enterprise applications built with Java" ?
22:09.40herlofozzmoo: java?
22:09.51fozzmooWell, maybe that's a root cause.
22:10.02fozzmooI downloaded Pentaho yesterday to play with it.
22:10.09fozzmoo160MB
22:10.19fozzmooToday, I'm downloading the Pentaho Design Studio for Linux.
22:10.22herlowhoa!
22:10.24fozzmoo177MB
22:10.38herlois downloading Fedora Pre Release
22:10.46herlo10h17m left
22:11.05herloof course, I already have the LiveCD
22:16.09decriptorherlo: ping
22:16.15herlodecriptor: pong
22:16.29decriptorcalvin from novell is awesome
22:16.42herloI know!
22:16.49decriptorhe posted on the opensuse-gnome list about the conference and gave the url for call for papers
22:16.52herloI've met Mr Gaisford
22:16.57herlodecriptor: cool!
22:17.59decriptorwell see what happens, but at least people are taking notice
22:18.07herlodecriptor: I've not seen any resonance yet, but I'm sure it'll happen
22:18.31decriptorjust needs time
22:18.32herlodecriptor: I'm excited again.  Things are piccking up ever since I talked with GOED earlier this week
22:18.40decriptoroh cool
22:18.51decriptorcrap I promise to have that invoice out this weekend
22:18.55herlothey gave me a bunch of info,
22:19.00herlodecriptor: its already done, don't worry
22:19.05decriptoroh ok
22:19.06decriptorgood
22:19.15decriptorafter thursday I'll be back in the game
22:19.23herloshe bitched me out, so you get to hear about it tomoorrow :)
22:19.31decriptorsorry
22:19.50decriptorNicole?
22:20.15herloyes
22:20.39decriptorhope you blamed it on me then
22:20.49sontekI think utos should be a novell conference, all the cool stuff comes from them anyways! ;)
22:21.04decriptorsontek: oh hell yeah
22:21.30herlodecriptor: I did, blamed it on you.
22:21.37decriptorsontek:  not like those lame fedora guys that are stealing everything from ubuntu
22:21.37sontekwe could have them talk on Xen, Tomboy, Banshee, Tasque, F-Spot, Compiz, Kernel, GNOME, etc
22:21.40herlodoesn't want the conference to be run by any group...
22:21.59herlobut we'd love to have some of those people on the committee
22:22.50decriptorwhat no flamefest / not nothing   that was lame
22:23.11herlodecriptor: this is NOT plug!
22:23.12sontekpokes herlo some more
22:23.14sontekwe'll get'm!
22:23.35herlodoesn't like ot fight fights when he agrees
22:23.43sontekso novell conference it is!
22:23.51decriptorherlo: did you read my comment?
22:24.01sontekand since its called novell conference, we can get o'reilly to sponsor it
22:24.23herlodecriptor: yes, I read it
22:24.36herlodecriptor: I also didn't agree with it
22:24.47herlomoves on
22:25.07decriptor* herlo doesn't like ot fight fights when he agrees
22:25.56decriptoroh man  and sontek and I were about to have some fun, granted at your expense :P
22:26.45decriptorherlo: what's the word on the ultimate trio
22:26.49decriptormine is still good
22:26.57decriptoryour?zelut?
22:29.10herlodecriptor: what ultimate trio?
22:31.28decriptorkeynotes
22:32.34herlodecriptor: oh, mine will know first of June, talked with zelut yesterday.  He sent his reminder email off
22:34.32herlodecriptor: I was thinking of the deal at Applebee's, which I actually had last night
22:36.36decriptor?
22:36.49decriptorthe girl?
22:39.16herlohaha, no, the trio
22:40.57sontekwe going to do a gong-a-thong?
22:42.52decriptorherlo: I'm a bit lost, what deal?
22:43.14decriptorwhat about the trio?
22:43.18herlodecriptor: they have a deal called 'the trio'
22:43.23herloit has three types of food
22:43.27decriptoroh ok
22:59.00Heartsbanesontek: I don't know can I get them and test it out, sometime this weekend or Wednesday
23:00.05sontekyeah, anytime is good for me, I think I'm going to be sleeping at work this weekend
23:00.08sontekre-working our netowkr
23:00.10sonteknetwork*
23:00.37sontekturns out, scrubbing 3 72gb drives that are in a raid5 array takes awhile
23:01.03Heartsbanek
23:01.08penotakes no time if you have a strong enough magnet.
23:03.31sontekyou got any laying around?
23:03.35sontekI've got 2 more servers to do this on
23:03.42penofresh out
23:04.01sontekuseless
23:04.07penoI only have beer.
23:04.13sontekooh, useful
23:12.44decriptorhow do you close a dead channel where you were talking to someone
23:17.55herlo<PROTECTED>
23:19.45decriptorthanks
23:21.23herlonp
23:23.27decriptorthat had been bugging me for awhile
23:24.04herlo:)
23:24.14herloits /window close, which can be tab completed
23:24.23herloor the shortcut /wc
23:24.30decriptorthat's what I figured, but /wc works just fine :)
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23:28.32herlohaha, np
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