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| 00:13.42 | herlo | undertakingyou: hola |
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| 00:54.35 | herlo | anyone have an opinion on office chairs they like? |
| 00:54.48 | herlo | I took a look at this one: http://www2.hermanmiller.com/mirraexperience/ |
| 00:54.53 | herlo | its about $500 |
| 00:57.01 | DexterTheDragon | that is kind of a cool looking chair |
| 00:57.38 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: yeah, but its a bit expensive :( |
| 00:57.59 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 00:58.08 | DexterTheDragon | but ya know what they say |
| 00:58.09 | herlo | of course, most office chairs are |
| 00:58.18 | herlo | who are they? |
| 00:58.26 | DexterTheDragon | people spend hundreds of dollers on couchs for their living rooms |
| 00:58.34 | DexterTheDragon | that they only sit in a couple hours each day |
| 00:58.50 | DexterTheDragon | and only 50 bucks on the office chair they sit in all day long |
| 00:59.00 | herlo | yeah, that is true |
| 00:59.12 | herlo | I'm willing to invest, just not sure I want that chair without trying it. |
| 00:59.20 | herlo | There is only one dealer in all of SLC |
| 00:59.45 | DexterTheDragon | yeah there needs to be a chair store that you can go sit in all the chairs to try them out |
| 00:59.57 | herlo | uh HUH! |
| 01:04.39 | herlo | whiteinge: ping |
| 01:04.51 | whiteinge | herlo: pong! |
| 01:05.15 | herlo | whiteinge: hi |
| 01:05.24 | herlo | got a question for you, pastebining it now |
| 01:05.31 | whiteinge | ok |
| 01:05.34 | herlo | IYDM |
| 01:05.47 | herlo | http://pastebin.ca/985454 |
| 01:05.47 | whiteinge | anything for utos! |
| 01:05.56 | herlo | whiteinge: you rock! |
| 01:06.03 | herlo | so here's the question |
| 01:06.26 | herlo | when I pull up one of the presentations, modify it, and try to save it, the presentation is deleted. Why? |
| 01:06.52 | DexterTheDragon | my guess is an error in the code? :D |
| 01:07.13 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: right, but where? |
| 01:10.43 | whiteinge | hmm... |
| 01:10.49 | herlo | yeah, that's what I said :( |
| 01:13.16 | whiteinge | I don't see anything obvious. Are there any other urlconfs that could be catching before this one? |
| 01:13.36 | herlo | maybe, lemme check that |
| 01:14.03 | herlo | nope |
| 01:14.21 | whiteinge | k. Have you tried stepping through the view manually in the shell? |
| 01:15.04 | herlo | I've done other troubleshooting, but I'll look at it that way |
| 01:16.07 | herlo | the sucky part about doing that is I've gotta do a bunch of crap first... |
| 01:17.01 | whiteinge | Like setting up something in the db to test against? |
| 01:17.40 | herlo | no, like logging in a user |
| 01:17.47 | herlo | its just annoying, that is all. |
| 01:21.04 | whiteinge | What about line 17? Is it possible presentations aren't being deleted, but rather reassigned to the wrong user? |
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| 01:21.56 | whiteinge | I guess I'm asking, do presentaions already have an associated user by that point? Or can you assign a presentation to a different user for some reason? |
| 01:22.08 | herlo | the user should be the same |
| 01:22.25 | herlo | they are kept in their own table, but they are linked to the userprofile |
| 01:22.26 | whiteinge | *line 18 |
| 01:22.45 | herlo | that is it |
| 01:22.52 | herlo | it shoudl be user.get_profile() |
| 01:23.01 | herlo | I mean I've not tested it, but it looks promising |
| 01:23.07 | whiteinge | :-) |
| 01:23.30 | herlo | or I could jut remove that line possibly |
| 01:23.51 | whiteinge | You could also remove that line and change line 12 to something like: ``get_object_or_404(Presentation, id=abs_id, user=request.user.get_profile())`` |
| 01:23.55 | whiteinge | :-) |
| 01:24.08 | herlo | or that |
| 01:24.22 | herlo | except it would be presenter=request.user.get_profile() |
| 01:24.52 | whiteinge | oh, right |
| 01:29.28 | herlo | oh, would it acutally be presenter=request.POST.user.get_profile() |
| 01:30.05 | herlo | nope |
| 01:30.46 | whiteinge | ``request.user`` should return a user object if your user is logged in. |
| 01:30.56 | herlo | right, I got it now :) Just about there |
| 01:31.58 | herlo | it works! w00t! |
| 01:32.02 | whiteinge | woo! |
| 01:32.26 | whiteinge | what are lines 5-9 used for? |
| 01:33.40 | herlo | uh, letme look |
| 01:34.18 | herlo | providing the information on line 27, which was wrong. It now says |
| 01:34.25 | herlo | return render_to_response('paper_submitted.html', {'user': userinfo}, |
| 01:34.58 | whiteinge | ah, gotcha |
| 01:35.29 | whiteinge | You can remove that completely if you want to make the current user available to all templates automatically (via middleware). |
| 01:35.30 | herlo | I know its the old way, but why change it if it works :P |
| 01:35.39 | whiteinge | Sure. :-) |
| 01:35.53 | herlo | yeah, middleware is a bit beyond me for now |
| 01:37.39 | herlo | I'm getting excited about this new code, its almost ready to deploy, but it needs some testing now :) |
| 01:38.09 | whiteinge | Bleh, not middleware, meant template_context_processors. Add this to your settings.py file if you're interested: http://pastebin.ca/985481 |
| 01:38.45 | whiteinge | No, wait. I'm steering you way off. Ignore that pastebin. |
| 01:38.54 | whiteinge | Sorry. :-P |
| 01:39.44 | herlo | k, np |
| 01:39.50 | herlo | I hadn't looked at it yet anyway |
| 01:40.03 | whiteinge | The current logged in user is already available in your templates since you're using ``RequestContext`` in your view. |
| 01:40.04 | herlo | c-8 |
| 01:40.14 | herlo | right |
| 01:41.56 | whiteinge | So passing userinfo on line 27 isn't needed. |
| 01:42.54 | herlo | oh |
| 01:42.59 | herlo | let me try that |
| 01:43.00 | whiteinge | If you remove lines 5-9, you can still access ``{{ user.get_full_name }}`` ``{{ user.email }}`` from the template. |
| 01:43.10 | herlo | right, but its a userprofile I need |
| 01:43.23 | herlo | which just means I have to do user.get_profile().whateverIneed |
| 01:43.45 | whiteinge | Yeah, exactly. ``{{ user.get_profile.profileinfohere }}`` |
| 01:44.32 | whiteinge | If you use a lot of info from the user_profile model wrap it in a ``with`` tag: ``{% with user.user_profile as profile %}{{ profile.something }}{% endwith %}`` |
| 01:45.23 | herlo | oh, thats nice |
| 01:48.42 | herlo | is there an easy way to get the name of the site from within the templates? |
| 01:49.06 | whiteinge | Not 30-second easy, no. |
| 01:49.11 | herlo | k |
| 01:49.12 | herlo | np |
| 01:49.21 | herlo | I have a value for it, I'll just pass it in |
| 01:49.42 | whiteinge | I've often wondered why that is... |
| 01:50.22 | herlo | well, its easy enough to get the info I guess |
| 01:51.01 | herlo | whiteinge: btw, I committed revision 191 to http://code.google.com/p/utos-conman if you are interested in seeing the progression |
| 01:53.22 | whiteinge | Nice! I checked out a copy the other day (finally). |
| 01:54.16 | herlo | w00t! I can happily give you commit rights if you like |
| 01:54.21 | herlo | I can always use the help |
| 01:55.21 | whiteinge | Heck yeah! Count me in. :-) |
| 01:55.48 | herlo | sweet, do you have a google account? |
| 01:55.56 | herlo | I know you do, just cant recall |
| 01:56.09 | whiteinge | Yeah, same username. |
| 01:56.24 | herlo | btw, I have a bot set up in #utos-dev that lets us know when commits have been made |
| 01:56.48 | whiteinge | Ah, good to know. |
| 01:56.51 | herlo | k, you are in there :) |
| 01:57.16 | herlo | mostly, it helps me know if changes have been made and I need to update. There are a few others that hack whenthey can... |
| 01:59.06 | whiteinge | Neat, thanks. :-) |
| 02:00.26 | whiteinge | Never done a non read-only Google Code checkout before. |
| 02:00.29 | herlo | np, you've been a big help |
| 02:00.38 | undertakingyou | herlo: ping |
| 02:00.41 | herlo | it requires a special password |
| 02:00.42 | herlo | undertakingyou: pong |
| 02:00.47 | undertakingyou | herlo: hi |
| 02:00.49 | herlo | hi |
| 02:01.00 | herlo | what's up? |
| 02:01.02 | undertakingyou | herlo: did I do something to piss macnewbold off? |
| 02:01.06 | herlo | no |
| 02:01.09 | undertakingyou | ok, |
| 02:01.09 | herlo | he's just a busy guy |
| 02:01.12 | undertakingyou | ok |
| 02:01.27 | undertakingyou | hey, so do you want to meet with Josh Westover this week? |
| 02:01.31 | herlo | if you are downtown and have a bit of time, just go by his office and chat with him... |
| 02:01.41 | herlo | undertakingyou: unless its tomorrow at the OSTC, no |
| 02:02.00 | herlo | 4pm probably would work for me |
| 02:02.08 | undertakingyou | ok, he is in Orem in the morning but coming up to salt lake after 3:00pm. |
| 02:02.14 | herlo | oh |
| 02:02.17 | undertakingyou | So, I don't know if that would work. |
| 02:02.25 | undertakingyou | I also am not available tomorrow. |
| 02:02.27 | herlo | well, i'm gonna be down in UC until about 3pm |
| 02:03.03 | undertakingyou | Do you want me to see if he will meet you? |
| 02:03.05 | herlo | I guess I'm not sure why its so important that he meet me :) |
| 02:03.14 | herlo | nah, I want both of us |
| 02:03.36 | undertakingyou | I think that he wants to meet you because you are the important one. I am not high profile enough. |
| 02:03.54 | undertakingyou | Ok, well, I could meet on Thursday if you wanted. |
| 02:04.05 | peno | undertakingyou: you're important! you stick dead bodies in the ground |
| 02:04.49 | herlo | undertakingyou: i'm teaching this week, and I really think he'll realize how important you are after he meets me :) |
| 02:05.09 | herlo | much, much more high and mighty than I am for sure |
| 02:09.32 | undertakingyou | peno, thanks for the support man :) |
| 02:09.44 | undertakingyou | herlo: thanks, I think . . . |
| 02:11.23 | herlo | undertakingyou: why wouldn't my comment be supportive? |
| 02:11.24 | undertakingyou | so herlo, Fedora has been kind of a pain. |
| 02:11.29 | herlo | undertakingyou: its beta |
| 02:11.35 | undertakingyou | I know. |
| 02:11.37 | herlo | did you try 8? |
| 02:12.02 | undertakingyou | But there have been non-beta things that have really been a pain. |
| 02:12.13 | undertakingyou | Like trying to resize the LVM. |
| 02:12.19 | undertakingyou | That borked everything |
| 02:12.22 | herlo | undertakingyou: Fedora isn't for everyone. I'd say that its for those who want free software |
| 02:12.35 | undertakingyou | herlo: your comment sounded like you think I am high and mighty. |
| 02:12.45 | undertakingyou | herlo: I like free software. |
| 02:12.47 | herlo | undertakingyou: that has little to do with Fedora. Could be a bug in the new LVM |
| 02:13.01 | herlo | s/new LVM/new version of LVM/ |
| 02:13.22 | herlo | undertakingyou: didn't mean for my comment to be high faluting :) |
| 02:13.28 | undertakingyou | I just think that some drivers could be included. I know what they are driving at though. |
| 02:13.29 | herlo | just complementary |
| 02:13.35 | undertakingyou | ok :) |
| 02:13.45 | herlo | undertakingyou: but then it wouldn't be free :( |
| 02:14.19 | undertakingyou | I have tried 8 in a VM. And I like it. But I thought that I could live on the edge for two weeks. |
| 02:14.36 | undertakingyou | If this doesn't work out I will either try OpenSUSE or do Ubuntu Beta. |
| 02:14.42 | herlo | k |
| 02:15.12 | herlo | undertakingyou: I spend a lot of time tinkering, so it isn't just you... |
| 02:15.27 | herlo | many people probably have similar issues :( |
| 02:15.33 | herlo | which is unfortunate |
| 02:16.00 | undertakingyou | herlo: so do you like fedora because of the completely free no strings attached stuff, or do you just think it is a nice distro? |
| 02:17.24 | herlo | both |
| 02:17.36 | herlo | but freedom is *very* important to me |
| 02:18.07 | herlo | that, and I really like the systemV functionality and can't handle the unwieldyness of OpenSUSE |
| 02:21.17 | undertakingyou | herlo: the freedom stuff doesn't turn me on as much. |
| 02:21.41 | undertakingyou | I do like the agreement to the open GPL where is says "understood, ok lets move on" |
| 02:21.54 | undertakingyou | But I do like the SysV compliance that ubuntu does lack. |
| 02:22.52 | herlo | undertakingyou: well, Ubuntu/Debian also don't follow the LSB |
| 02:23.10 | undertakingyou | LSB? Not familiar with that one. |
| 02:23.15 | herlo | mainly because the LSB requires the use of RPm |
| 02:23.22 | undertakingyou | does a wikipedia search |
| 02:23.27 | herlo | http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/LSB |
| 02:24.12 | herlo | looks like theyve taken out the RPM requirement :) |
| 02:24.57 | undertakingyou | which is nice. I still hold that DEB's and the APT system is faster than RPM and YUM. |
| 02:25.40 | herlo | well, apt is faster than yum |
| 02:25.45 | herlo | not sure about the other though |
| 02:26.28 | herlo | but, I will say that RPM has a much larger range of features, including multilib support, file dependencies, and symbolic dependencies |
| 02:26.32 | undertakingyou | interesting . . . ubuntu LTS 6.06 is LSB 3.1 compliant |
| 02:26.39 | herlo | :) nice |
| 02:27.05 | herlo | undertakingyou: looks like I'm going to get a HermanMiller chair |
| 02:27.24 | herlo | http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/LSB |
| 02:27.27 | herlo | woops |
| 02:27.30 | herlo | http://www2.hermanmiller.com/mirraexperience/ |
| 02:27.40 | undertakingyou | I like to see things like LSB. I think stuff like that is the best thing that we can do for our free software movement. |
| 02:27.40 | herlo | undertakingyou: ^^ that one :) |
| 02:27.48 | herlo | undertakingyou: check out FHS then |
| 02:28.08 | herlo | this is something that nobody conforms to yet, I think OpenSUSE is the closest |
| 02:30.22 | undertakingyou | herlo: that is a sweet looking chair. |
| 02:30.28 | undertakingyou | I want one now. |
| 02:31.06 | undertakingyou | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? |
| 02:31.35 | herlo | yup |
| 02:31.47 | herlo | and I want to get a chair, but they are almost $600 |
| 02:32.07 | undertakingyou | AHHHH!!! |
| 02:32.17 | herlo | I know! |
| 02:32.19 | undertakingyou | hopefully there is a gold brick in them someplace |
| 02:32.29 | herlo | the aeron chair is is almost 1K |
| 02:32.52 | mheath | herlo: I was just going to comment that I agree wholeheartedly on your comment about RPM |
| 02:33.02 | mheath | RPMs feature set is VASTLY superior to deb |
| 02:33.26 | herlo | mheath: thanks |
| 02:33.31 | mheath | And I see no real problem with RPM - the only real issue is that it was much more widely adopted much earlier, so everyone and their uncle were making packages |
| 02:33.44 | herlo | but that doesn't mean anyone should adopt if for that reason |
| 02:33.56 | herlo | they should pick their distro based upon needs and wants |
| 02:34.01 | herlo | desires, etc |
| 02:34.02 | mheath | So many packages being poorly made meant half the packages out there aren't built correctly, and don't have the correct metainfo for your system to tell that particular package is not for you. |
| 02:34.05 | herlo | features, and so on |
| 02:34.08 | mheath | herlo: Indeed. |
| 02:34.28 | mheath | I'm talking about package manager features, not distro features. To be honest, I'm not personally impressed by any RPM-based distros out there. |
| 02:34.34 | herlo | dpkg is pretty good these days though |
| 02:34.47 | mheath | A while back I had looked alot into creating a customized distro |
| 02:34.48 | herlo | mheath: sorry to hear that, but Fedora rocks! |
| 02:35.04 | mheath | Never got too far with the idea, but I was exploring package manager features, and RPM was the only thing that did what I needed to. |
| 02:35.59 | mheath | herlo: RPM package managers are slower, too, like you commented, but its for a reason - RPM actually _manages_ your system whereas dpkg just _installs_ software. |
| 02:36.22 | herlo | yup |
| 02:36.27 | mheath | RPM tracks a lot more stuff and manages a lot more stuff. Deb is little more than a glorified slackware .tgz - it's basically just a tarball thats unpackaged at root. |
| 02:36.36 | mheath | IT contains very little metainfo, and the system controls very little. |
| 02:36.50 | herlo | IT == dpkg ?? |
| 02:37.03 | mheath | s/IT/It/g and yes |
| 02:37.16 | mheath | Well, .deb's. |
| 02:37.36 | mheath | I've been frustrated by this fact with my attempt to implement a System Restore utility |
| 02:37.52 | mheath | Don't know if you saw me talking about that, but its a non-trivial task on Debian systems. |
| 02:38.11 | undertakingyou | herlo: looking at the FHS, I think the really big one's would be srv, because everyone uses /var/www, and then the /opt/ directory because most optional software doesn't make it into there. |
| 02:38.15 | mheath | Debian doesn't even keep track of what installed files are a conf files |
| 02:38.30 | herlo | undertakingyou: right, /srv is the big one. Most everything else lives correctly |
| 02:39.06 | herlo | mheath: true that, but I'm not going to bitch oto much as they are both well defined standards and you can't change them these days without a major upheaval |
| 02:39.20 | mheath | herlo: Indeed. :-) |
| 02:39.31 | mheath | Theres a debian developers idea-wiki-thingy post about better conf tracking |
| 02:39.39 | mheath | It's been sitting there with no activity for a few years now :P |
| 02:39.59 | undertakingyou | mheath: become a debian developer and work on it then :) |
| 02:40.20 | mheath | Bah, another observation: The Linux file hierarchy is stupid :-) |
| 02:40.28 | herlo | mheath: no it isn't! |
| 02:40.34 | herlo | undertakingyou: don't encourage him |
| 02:40.41 | mheath | Specifically, the usage of /usr and /usr/local |
| 02:40.49 | herlo | whatever mheath |
| 02:40.53 | mheath | They're redundant, unecessary on managed systems, and didn't even exist in traditional Unix. |
| 02:41.01 | herlo | so |
| 02:41.06 | herlo | and they're not redundant |
| 02:41.43 | herlo | /usr/local is for compiled programs you build and install, or at least that is what I recall |
| 02:41.44 | mheath | herlo: Yes, they provide the exact same filesystem hierarchy as /, with no well defined difference in usage. |
| 02:42.33 | mheath | herlo: You have no need for such a distinction with modern package-manager-controlled system |
| 02:42.44 | mheath | herlo: Software can be just as easily installed to / |
| 02:42.47 | undertakingyou | mheath: the reason so you don't screw up / as you make and install stuff. |
| 02:42.57 | mheath | undertakingyou: Then use a system like GNU Stow. |
| 02:43.10 | undertakingyou | You should never mess with /. |
| 02:43.15 | mheath | Stow allows you to install a package to it's own unique directory |
| 02:43.22 | mheath | Say /stow/app-name/version |
| 02:43.43 | mheath | Then, Stow creates, updates, and manages symlinks in / so that the app appears to be installed to /. |
| 02:43.43 | undertakingyou | you can with linux also. Usually a 'prefix' directive allows you to do that. |
| 02:44.01 | mheath | undertakingyou: Thats not the same thing, at all. |
| 02:44.28 | mheath | What would you say if Windows had: |
| 02:44.32 | herlo | mheath: let it be |
| 02:44.34 | mheath | C:/Program Files For Included Software/ |
| 02:44.41 | mheath | C:/Program Files For Extra Software/ |
| 02:44.48 | mheath | C:/Program Files For Software you Installed Yourself/ |
| 02:44.53 | herlo | mheath: we get it |
| 02:44.58 | mheath | You'd think it's stupid, and linux is no different. |
| 02:45.01 | herlo | but we don't have to agree |
| 02:45.30 | herlo | undertakingyou: I love FF3B5 its fast and pretty :) |
| 02:45.46 | mheath | herlo: indeed it is! |
| 02:46.00 | mheath | I miss the keyhole nav bar FF3B has on Windows, though :( |
| 02:46.07 | herlo | likes changing subjects that are tiresome |
| 02:46.10 | undertakingyou | mheath: I think that windows file hierarchy is stupid because anything can change vital system files. |
| 02:46.16 | herlo | undertakingyou: let it be |
| 02:46.23 | undertakingyou | herlo: yes sir. |
| 02:46.26 | herlo | :) |
| 02:46.30 | mheath | herlo: Does FF3 support themes like normal? |
| 02:46.33 | herlo | time to talk aobut something else |
| 02:46.33 | undertakingyou | So Firefox 3 is shiny. |
| 02:46.36 | mheath | I know a HUGE push has been made towards GTK integration |
| 02:46.37 | herlo | mheath: yes it does |
| 02:46.47 | herlo | mheath: its great with GTK too |
| 02:46.48 | mheath | Ah, maybe theres a theme for Linux that gives it the same look as on Windows, then. |
| 02:46.59 | herlo | I'm using it to test our conman app |
| 02:47.10 | mheath | herlo: Yeah, I noticed that bit :-) I just hadn't tried it with themes yet |
| 02:47.14 | herlo | mheath: why, oh why would you want to do that? |
| 02:47.31 | mheath | herlo: Like I said, I like the distinctive keyhold nav bar on Windows - have you seen a screenshot of that? |
| 02:47.33 | herlo | anything windowsish is just.....freaky! |
| 02:47.50 | mheath | herlo: They rearranged the forward/backward button into a really cool but functional new arrangement. |
| 02:48.05 | herlo | hmm, I don't much use the mouse |
| 02:48.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: what do you like about it? |
| 02:49.10 | undertakingyou | I like the auto fill of links while you are typing in an address |
| 02:49.16 | undertakingyou | I think that makes life easy. |
| 02:49.27 | mheath | I'd like to see continued feature expansion of the address bar. |
| 02:49.28 | herlo | yay! |
| 02:49.30 | undertakingyou | the fedora theme looks pretty shiny also |
| 02:49.39 | herlo | yup, i really like the themes |
| 02:49.43 | mheath | The one problem I've had with the new GTK-theme-support.... |
| 02:49.46 | mheath | Firefox still doesn't use GTK |
| 02:49.48 | herlo | undertakingyou: are you referring to the sulphur theme? |
| 02:49.52 | mheath | It's just using the GTK themes |
| 02:50.01 | herlo | mheath: ff3b5 does |
| 02:50.10 | mheath | herlo: Not all the way, at least. |
| 02:50.33 | mheath | herlo: I have a patched GTK, that allows me to stick application menu bars on one global menu bar, like Mac OS X. |
| 02:50.43 | mheath | herlo: Works with every application on my system, except Firefox. |
| 02:51.10 | mheath | AFAIK its still a completely seperate GUI system |
| 02:51.22 | mheath | It justs uses the system GTK theme |
| 02:51.38 | mheath | And form what I understood the 'big new improvement' in FF3 was that it could now use the system Icon theme, too. |
| 02:56.28 | undertakingyou | so, I am just throwing some add-ons into firefox. It calls it 'the minefield'. Is that a fedora thing or a FF3 thing? |
| 02:57.04 | herlo | sorry, the power just went out |
| 02:58.34 | undertakingyou | :) no worries. Everything back on now? |
| 02:58.39 | herlo | yup |
| 02:58.59 | herlo | mheath: I realize that it doesn't completely use GTK, I misunderstood your statement |
| 03:00.14 | herlo | undertakingyou: the new conman stuff will probalby go up in a couple days. need some testers now |
| 03:00.21 | herlo | undertakingyou: wanna be a tester? |
| 03:00.35 | undertakingyou | I guess I could. |
| 03:00.43 | undertakingyou | yeah, that should be fine. |
| 03:01.01 | herlo | well, its up to you :) |
| 03:01.12 | herlo | undertakingyou: report bugs :) |
| 03:01.21 | undertakingyou | yeah, I can. When will it be up? |
| 03:01.34 | herlo | well, you have to run it with the dev server, but its pretty easy |
| 03:01.47 | herlo | go to code.google.com/p/utos-conman and check out the svn version |
| 03:01.57 | herlo | IIRC you already have django |
| 03:02.17 | undertakingyou | Not now that I reformatted my system. |
| 03:02.24 | undertakingyou | ByeBye all kinds of stuff. |
| 03:02.51 | herlo | oh, well I can help you get it set up if you like |
| 03:03.02 | herlo | its pretty easy still |
| 03:04.12 | undertakingyou | Yeah, I can. |
| 03:04.24 | undertakingyou | So, does FF3 seem a little slower right now? |
| 03:04.29 | herlo | no |
| 03:04.40 | herlo | its definitely faster than FF3B4 |
| 03:05.06 | herlo | maybe its slower than FF2, but it definitely loads faster at launch time |
| 03:05.35 | herlo | http://www.lipsum.com/ <-- great site! |
| 03:08.17 | undertakingyou | why so great?? |
| 03:09.45 | herlo | hehe |
| 03:11.32 | herlo | undertakingyou: I updated the README in the conman update I'm getting ready to submit. It covers how to get started with utos-conman :) |
| 03:12.15 | undertakingyou | ok |
| 03:12.53 | undertakingyou | herlo: is conman using django .96? |
| 03:12.57 | herlo | no |
| 03:13.07 | herlo | you'll have to install django from source, and that's pretty easy too |
| 03:13.12 | undertakingyou | what version is it using? |
| 03:13.23 | undertakingyou | I just want to make sure I get the right source |
| 03:13.28 | herlo | try this |
| 03:13.37 | herlo | svn co http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk django-trunk |
| 03:13.53 | herlo | cd django-trunk |
| 03:13.58 | herlo | python setup.py build |
| 03:14.10 | herlo | su -c python setup.py install |
| 03:14.30 | herlo | then you'll pretty much have the same version of django as i do |
| 03:14.57 | undertakingyou | I think that is one thing about django I don't like. It seems that there is no reverse compatability. |
| 03:15.08 | herlo | there is |
| 03:15.29 | herlo | but its still a bit of a moving target. We're also on the development version, so that changes a lot |
| 03:15.53 | herlo | I'm thinking about back-porting a bunch to 0.96 though so we can be compatible with the stuff I have from scale |
| 03:20.10 | undertakingyou | herlo: to ignore join's and stuff it is it just /ignore join? |
| 03:21.12 | herlo | undertakingyou: in irssi? |
| 03:23.35 | undertakingyou | yeah. |
| 03:23.41 | undertakingyou | I am getting tired of seeing it. |
| 03:26.58 | herlo | undertakingyou: lemme check hold please |
| 03:28.32 | herlo | undertakingyou: /ignore * JOINS |
| 03:29.01 | herlo | undertakingyou: you can also ignore MODES, PARTS, QUITS, NICKS and more I'm sure |
| 03:36.16 | herlo | I don't think sontek is gonna answer you in #utah. BTW, how's the django download coming? |
| 03:36.47 | undertakingyou | I downloaded it. But I am a little leary of installing since I am updating 500+ packages right now. |
| 03:37.09 | herlo | oh, it won't matter, but that's fine. How long? |
| 03:37.26 | undertakingyou | 45+ minutes left. |
| 03:37.40 | herlo | ooh, man, is it still downloading? |
| 03:37.45 | undertakingyou | yes. |
| 03:37.53 | herlo | then go for the install, it won't be a big deal |
| 03:37.55 | undertakingyou | So, with it downloading I should be good. |
| 03:38.02 | undertakingyou | knocks on wood. |
| 03:38.49 | herlo | right |
| 03:42.47 | herlo | undertakingyou: you coming to gamenight tomorrow? |
| 03:42.52 | herlo | 7pm my house! |
| 03:44.23 | undertakingyou | I didn't know about it. |
| 03:44.26 | undertakingyou | hmm . . . . |
| 03:44.37 | herlo | undertakingyou: get on the mailing list... |
| 03:45.19 | undertakingyou | which one? |
| 03:45.26 | herlo | http://gamesutah.org/mailman/listinfo |
| 03:46.35 | herlo | so come! also we have a website that is updated and has rss feeds :) |
| 03:46.44 | herlo | very low traffic on both |
| 03:46.56 | undertakingyou | ok, I am on that mailing list now. |
| 03:47.53 | herlo | yay! |
| 03:47.57 | herlo | so are you coming? |
| 03:51.52 | undertakingyou | I am negotiating with the wife. |
| 03:52.24 | herlo | k |
| 03:52.33 | herlo | negotiate well, my friend :) |
| 03:52.53 | herlo | undertakingyou: did you just see that last paper that was submitted today? |
| 03:53.07 | undertakingyou | No. |
| 03:53.12 | undertakingyou | looks |
| 03:53.33 | herlo | its pretty cool looking |
| 03:53.40 | herlo | ooh, I need to fix the email section... |
| 03:53.42 | undertakingyou | SHINY! Open Source for the Windows Addict. |
| 03:53.49 | undertakingyou | Is that the one that you mean? |
| 03:56.06 | herlo | yup |
| 03:56.27 | herlo | I thought it was a perfect one... Of course, we'll get the voters involved and see :) |
| 03:56.32 | sontek | its to bad you guys didn't get to see lug radio, its atmosphere was amazing |
| 03:56.46 | sontek | they did have a video crew making a documentary of it |
| 03:57.02 | herlo | nice |
| 03:57.24 | herlo | sontek: I expect between you and Heartsbane, we'll have a good idea of what was going on there |
| 03:59.38 | herlo | undertakingyou: sontek: question, I've jsut about finished writing the newly updated CFP. I want to know, if someone updates a presentation, should we send an email? |
| 03:59.44 | herlo | to us, and them? |
| 04:01.18 | undertakingyou | Yes, I think that it would be good as a confirmation to them and an update for us. |
| 04:05.45 | herlo | k |
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| 13:12.32 | herlo | morning |
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| 13:28.47 | herlo | fairly well satire about ISO standards and Bill Gates: http://osindia.blogspot.com/2008/04/bill-gates-is-new-secretary-general-of_01.html |
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| 14:11.53 | mheath | The only trouble I have with things like that is, lately the computer types have been talking about ISO like ISO is a computer-based organization. |
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| 15:40.49 | mheath | Or is that not mine? |
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| 16:14.23 | herlo | decriptor: ping |
| 16:14.46 | herlo | aioven_: hello! |
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| 17:00.36 | pashdown | The Judiciary Interim Committee will be meeting Wednesday April 16th at 9:00 a.m in room C450 at the State Capitol. The second agenda item is "WiFi in Utah: Legal and Social Issues". The KCPW reporter who called me stated that the Senator who put the item on the agenda is being driven by the same CP80 "reports" done by Cheryl Preston that caused HB139 and HB407 last session. |
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| 17:47.34 | macnewbold | sigh |
| 17:47.44 | macnewbold | looks like I won't be at game night tonight, herlo |
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| 17:58.55 | herlo | macnewbold: sorry to hear that |
| 17:59.22 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm too sick to come |
| 17:59.26 | macnewbold | I was sad too |
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| 19:31.56 | herlo | macnewbold: ooh, sorry to hear that man! |
| 19:32.04 | herlo | feel better soon... |
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| 21:18.50 | undertakingyou | herlo: rglu |
| 21:19.08 | undertakingyou | herlo: ping |
| 21:22.15 | sontek | undertakingyou: home row!! |
| 21:22.28 | undertakingyou | sorry, it is actually a qwerty problem |
| 21:22.35 | undertakingyou | you going to game night sontek? |
| 21:23.49 | sontek | nope :( I only like games that involve compiling and vim! |
| 21:39.49 | herlo | undertakingyou: pong |
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| 21:43.52 | undertakingyou | so who all is coming to game night? |
| 21:50.11 | herlo | me |
| 21:50.16 | herlo | undertakingyou: dunno who else... |
| 21:52.34 | undertakingyou | I thought that I would come. Unless you don't me to. |
| 21:53.16 | sontek | you guys should make it a codez night, those are more fun :> |
| 21:53.32 | undertakingyou | Only for those of us who code :) |
| 21:53.40 | undertakingyou | you haven't taught me remember? |
| 21:53.45 | undertakingyou | heads hoome |
| 21:53.47 | sontek | but you know php! |
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| 22:52.06 | herlo | sontek: he could learn django and python if he coded it more :) |
| 23:11.37 | sontek | but that doesn't teach him to really code |
| 23:12.00 | sontek | it'll teach him python syntax a bit |
| 23:13.56 | herlo | true, he needs to practice good coding practices |
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| 23:30.44 | memilyra1 | herlo: ping |
| 23:32.01 | herlo | http://www.utosc.com/08/pdfs/utosc2008sponsorships.pdf |
| 23:47.16 | herlo | memilyra1: http://www.utosc.com/08/logos/utosc-howto.png |
