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| 00:46.51 | undertakingyou | what a busy night |
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| 03:10.46 | herlo | me loves his Werewolf! |
| 03:24.46 | herlo | the bluetooth features are *so* much better |
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| 04:43.52 | fozzmoo | herlo: I want F8 |
| 04:45.22 | herlo | fozzmoo: its awesome! |
| 04:45.40 | fozzmoo | It's not officially out yet, right? |
| 04:45.54 | herlo | fozzmoo: not until thursday, but rawhide is now frozen |
| 04:46.04 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
| 04:46.08 | herlo | fozzmoo: yuppers |
| 04:46.46 | herlo | on my post about upgrading, I point to Max Spevack's post on how to become bleeding edge and use the rawhide repo to become Werewolf |
| 04:48.50 | fozzmoo | mmm. It's not clear what I need to do. |
| 04:48.57 | fozzmoo | Just enable development on F7? |
| 04:53.29 | herlo | fozzmoo: yup |
| 04:53.36 | herlo | fozzmoo: and then disable everything else |
| 04:54.01 | herlo | if you are using livna or another third party repo, it might cause a few conflicts... |
| 04:58.01 | Gate | herlo: I think I know what the next SU3G meeting is going to be on, and it will probably be the 29th |
| 04:59.07 | Gate | I think it will be on getting and giving support for open source projects |
| 05:00.28 | fozzmoo | herlo: I use kmod-nvidia from livna. :-/ |
| 05:00.29 | fozzmoo | scary. |
| 05:01.03 | herlo | fozzmoo: that's just going to be something you'll have to remove and replace once upgraded. use the vesa driver for now |
| 05:01.12 | herlo | Gate: cool. I wish I could come... |
| 05:01.18 | fozzmoo | herlo: I can probably just use the 'nv' driver. :) |
| 05:01.40 | herlo | fozzmoo: or that |
| 05:01.56 | herlo | fozzmoo: nuveau is also an option |
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| 15:31.16 | herlo | morning |
| 15:31.47 | Jayce^ | hrm, whoever mentioned my name, it's long scrolled away |
| 15:32.59 | undertakingyou | morning everyone |
| 15:33.17 | herlo | Jayce^: I'm sure it was me, but I don't remember what it was about |
| 15:33.21 | herlo | undertakingyou: hello |
| 15:33.27 | Jayce^ | ~lart herlo :) |
| 15:33.27 | infobot | smacks herlo :) up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 15:33.30 | undertakingyou | herlo: whats up? |
| 15:34.03 | herlo | undertakingyou: not much, just hanging out w/my son today. he goes home tonight :( |
| 15:34.21 | undertakingyou | herlo: :( sad face. He lives in LA right? |
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| 15:34.35 | herlo | undertakingyou: yeah, the OC |
| 15:35.14 | undertakingyou | herlo: that is cool. I was going to see if you wanted to do lunch today. But no worries. |
| 15:36.03 | herlo | undertakingyou: but its been fun this weekend. We went house hunting, went to ski/snowboard rail riding, rode trax, went to dinner at tepanyaki, and he got to play outside for several hours. |
| 15:36.09 | herlo | he never gets to do that at home... |
| 15:36.31 | herlo | undertakingyou: we could go tomorrow, but aren't we going to lunch on Wednesday? |
| 15:37.17 | undertakingyou | I work the rest of the week. Today is my only day off. And with lunch being in the middle of the valley I don't know that I could swing it. :-/ |
| 15:37.54 | herlo | undertakingyou: ahh, well we could go today if you want. I don't think he'll mind all that much. He likes lunch too... |
| 15:38.24 | undertakingyou | herlo: I don't want to cut into time with your son. I know how I felt when that time was shared. |
| 15:39.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: he'll enjoy it I'm sure either way. He's a fun kid and gets along well with most everyone. We just need to make it a little fun for him too... |
| 15:39.51 | herlo | undertakingyou: like go to lunch at Thanksgiving point so that afterward we can go to the dinosaur exhibit or something |
| 15:40.15 | herlo | or up by the U so we can go to Red Butte Gardens afterward (or the Zoo) |
| 15:40.32 | undertakingyou | herlo: I like the idea of by the U |
| 15:42.14 | herlo | undertakingyou: its not forever, only 30 more minutes |
| 15:42.24 | herlo | undertakingyou: and btw, someone has to drive it :) |
| 15:43.26 | undertakingyou | Oh yeah, I thought you were in Murray for some reason. :/ my bad |
| 15:44.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: not yet. I have to go look at a few more houses again today probably this afternoon so that should work... |
| 15:44.42 | undertakingyou | herlo: maybe you should buy in davis county. Very close to the office. |
| 15:44.45 | herlo | undertakingyou: what about Murray, what's kid friendly in Murray? I know its central to everything.. |
| 15:45.01 | herlo | undertakingyou: davis county traffic is worse than Utah county traffic IMO |
| 15:45.10 | herlo | s/da/Da/g |
| 15:45.15 | undertakingyou | In Sandy there is the aquarium. |
| 15:45.24 | herlo | undertakingyou: true |
| 15:45.34 | herlo | undertakingyou: we've been to the one at the gateway (same same) |
| 15:45.57 | peno | the most important thing about murray, is Utopia. :) |
| 15:46.04 | undertakingyou | yeah, they are about the same. |
| 15:46.06 | herlo | peno: exactly!!! |
| 15:46.14 | herlo | peno: couldn't agree more |
| 15:46.24 | herlo | this month! |
| 15:46.26 | undertakingyou | peno . . . I guess. |
| 15:46.30 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 15:46.31 | peno | I wish I could get it now. |
| 15:46.37 | herlo | peno: where do you live? |
| 15:46.40 | peno | instead, I'm fighting with Qworst to fix my dsl. |
| 15:46.51 | peno | WVC. my area hasn't been rolled out yet. |
| 15:47.17 | undertakingyou | peno: I heard that a lot of WVC doesn't even have Qwest |
| 15:47.43 | peno | undertakingyou: probably the stuff that's way far west, almost magna west. |
| 15:47.57 | herlo | peno: too bad, I hear they are doing a good job of deploying it though |
| 15:48.07 | undertakingyou | Right. My buddy lives at 6200 w. and nothing there |
| 15:48.11 | peno | herlo: just not soon enough for me. :) |
| 15:48.23 | herlo | peno: its never soon enough, trust me on that |
| 15:48.24 | undertakingyou | herlo: are you on utopia? |
| 15:48.28 | opapo_ | hello all |
| 15:48.30 | herlo | undertakingyou: here, in orem, yes |
| 15:48.34 | herlo | opapo_: good morning |
| 15:48.43 | undertakingyou | herlo: what is the cost on that? |
| 15:48.47 | opapo_ | herlo: sorry it's been so long |
| 15:48.51 | opapo_ | busy working |
| 15:49.40 | herlo | opapo_: no worries, I'm moving to Murray this month (end), wanna get together and get these macs, or should I just tke them up there with me so we can continue our work? |
| 15:50.01 | herlo | undertakingyou: $40/month |
| 15:50.08 | herlo | undertakingyou: but that's not the problem really |
| 15:50.34 | herlo | undertakingyou: mstar (sucks) has a 100GB limit, and that's not really the problem either, other than we regularly will exceed that |
| 15:50.50 | herlo | mstar likes to charge $2/GB we go over. |
| 15:51.04 | undertakingyou | why aren't you on xmission herlo |
| 15:51.05 | undertakingyou | ?? |
| 15:51.16 | herlo | so if you think about it, the first 100GB=$40 and the second 100GB=$100, wow, what a deal! |
| 15:51.25 | herlo | undertakingyou: we didn't have a choice in our isp |
| 15:51.32 | herlo | undertakingyou: the condo community chose it for us... |
| 15:51.41 | undertakingyou | :( |
| 15:51.43 | peno | that's nice of them. |
| 15:51.51 | peno | they must have gotten a cut. |
| 15:51.53 | herlo | undertakingyou: I suppose we could pay another $25/month and get xmission too... |
| 15:51.58 | herlo | peno: probably |
| 15:52.36 | herlo | While xmission also has a 100GB limit, they also provide a better option for when I go over that 100GB |
| 15:52.51 | undertakingyou | herlo: have you ever bought a house before? |
| 15:53.15 | opapo_ | herlo: I thought you moved already |
| 15:53.17 | herlo | at xmission, they charge you a second months cost for the second 100GB |
| 15:53.34 | herlo | undertakingyou: yep, my first house was with my ex in Spanish Fork |
| 15:53.43 | herlo | opapo_: nope, looking at houses right noe |
| 15:53.46 | herlo | s/oe/ow/g |
| 15:54.01 | opapo_ | thanks infobot |
| 15:54.07 | opapo_ | :) |
| 15:54.14 | undertakingyou | herlo: I only ask because if you don't have an offer out there you might not be in a house by the end of the month |
| 15:54.24 | undertakingyou | herlo: just wanted to rain on the parade |
| 15:54.28 | herlo | undertakingyou: oh, its only the 5th |
| 15:54.38 | undertakingyou | herlo: I know :) |
| 15:55.14 | undertakingyou | we got in our house fast because the old man was dead and the family wanted to unload it. |
| 15:56.04 | herlo | undertakingyou: yeah, there's one of those too, but the guy isn't in a big hurry and wants too much for it |
| 15:56.22 | undertakingyou | herlo: that is no good |
| 15:56.32 | herlo | undertakingyou: yeah, so I'm not buying it |
| 15:56.54 | undertakingyou | herlo: while thinking about it. Lets forgo lunch today and we'll just chat tomorrow. |
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| 15:57.10 | undertakingyou | maybe I'll see if I can do a split shift to go to the lunch. |
| 15:57.14 | herlo | undertakingyou: sure, sounds good |
| 15:57.32 | herlo | undertakingyou: don't worry, we're seeing each other at dinner tomorrow night remember? |
| 15:57.51 | undertakingyou | herlo: yeah, you are just hard to get enough of :) |
| 15:58.11 | herlo | undertakingyou: hehe, that's nice of you |
| 15:58.17 | undertakingyou | lol |
| 15:58.26 | herlo | :) |
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| 15:59.33 | undertakingyou | decriptor: morning |
| 15:59.42 | decriptor | undertakingyou: moring |
| 15:59.49 | decriptor | morning |
| 16:00.02 | undertakingyou | decriptor: I was going to say "hills huh?" |
| 16:00.04 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 16:00.38 | decriptor | :P |
| 16:00.46 | decriptor | well class is starting so I have to run |
| 16:00.54 | undertakingyou | decriptor: see ya |
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| 17:43.16 | herlo | undertakingyou: nice post |
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| 18:24.55 | herlo | quick, name 4 people you'd like to see at UTOSC 2008 |
| 18:39.13 | herlo | nobody even cares :( |
| 18:39.39 | mindjuju | here is what we said in #uphpu |
| 18:39.40 | mindjuju | Sean Connery, Jean Luc Picard, Leonard Nimoy and Optimus Prime |
| 18:39.51 | herlo | mindjuju: ahh thanks |
| 18:40.06 | mindjuju | spread the joy |
| 18:46.18 | memilyrae | mindjuju: wow...you guys have high hopes! |
| 18:46.52 | mindjuju | which one do you think is hard to get? |
| 18:49.13 | herlo | vote! |
| 18:49.22 | mindjuju | Jean Luc! |
| 18:49.30 | mindjuju | no wait Leonard Nimoy! |
| 18:49.39 | mindjuju | oh wait, what about Brent Spiner? |
| 18:49.45 | mindjuju | brent! |
| 18:50.01 | *** topic/#utos by herlo -> Utah Open Source | Multi-Distro Release Party - November 10, 2007 1-5pm - http://tinyurl.com/yprnqr | UTOSC 2008 Keynote Poll - http://utosf.org |
| 18:52.19 | memilyrae | mindjuju: Optimus Prime (unless we just watched the movie) |
| 18:52.36 | herlo | haha |
| 18:52.39 | Gate | herlo: Bart Stander, Curtis Larsen, Russ Ross and myself. |
| 18:52.49 | Gate | :) |
| 18:53.05 | Gate | (three of my CS professors) |
| 18:57.34 | undertakingyou | herlo: thanks, I'm glad that you liked it :) |
| 18:57.43 | Gate | oooooh. so many choices to vote for. Then again Bruce Perens rocked. |
| 18:58.18 | Jayce^ | Russ ROss? I want Bob Ross! |
| 18:59.32 | Gate | um. how about no. |
| 18:59.33 | mindjuju | bob ross is dead |
| 18:59.35 | Gate | that sounds good :) |
| 18:59.41 | Gate | seance |
| 18:59.54 | mindjuju | ah, true that, then we can all go and paint afterwords |
| 19:00.37 | Jayce^ | dude, it's the happy little bush... |
| 19:00.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:01.11 | Jayce^ | I still think he should have teamed up with cheech and chong.. |
| 19:01.41 | mindjuju | yeah, that would have been funny to see |
| 19:06.52 | herlo | Jayce^: add whomever you like |
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| 20:52.19 | Jayce^ | herlo, Damian Conway |
| 20:52.26 | herlo | Jayce^: should I add that? |
| 20:52.30 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:52.34 | herlo | did you already vote? |
| 20:52.37 | Jayce^ | he's a great speaker |
| 20:52.42 | Jayce^ | think I might have |
| 20:52.51 | herlo | does it just show the results? |
| 20:52.57 | herlo | if so, I'll add him for you |
| 20:52.59 | Jayce^ | yes, but it showed that before I'd done anything |
| 20:53.04 | herlo | if not, you can had him.. |
| 20:53.11 | herlo | Jayce^: strange... |
| 20:53.20 | herlo | its just a cookie you can clear... |
| 20:53.32 | Jayce^ | ooh, all scientific and stuff :-p |
| 20:54.11 | herlo | Jayce^: you can vote for Damian now |
| 20:54.29 | Jayce^ | hrm, damian or larry :-p |
| 20:54.56 | Jayce^ | came very close to getting him to come out again this year :( |
| 20:55.06 | Jayce^ | got stuck with sjansen instead |
| 20:55.07 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:55.56 | herlo | Jayce^: sorry to hear that, sjansen really sucks it up, but its no fun to tease him if he's not in the channel |
| 20:59.27 | Jayce^ | interesting, no utosf, and now no utosc cookies, and yet still can't vote |
| 20:59.58 | herlo | Jayce^: close the browser, maybe its a session thing |
| 21:00.11 | herlo | also, check for www and utos.org too |
| 21:00.33 | Jayce^ | did both.. never actually voted in the first place, so don't know why it would |
| 21:02.13 | herlo | Jayce^: that's strange... |
| 21:02.25 | herlo | and it still doesn't show up? What browser? |
| 21:02.39 | Jayce^ | firefox, updated on unbuntu 7.10 |
| 21:02.49 | herlo | unbuntu is a great distro |
| 21:03.00 | herlo | Jayce^: dunno |
| 21:05.54 | Jayce^ | 4 browsers, 3 systems, all the same |
| 21:06.05 | herlo | Jayce^: doesn't make sense |
| 21:06.12 | herlo | Jayce^: other people can vote |
| 21:06.18 | herlo | Jayce^: have voted |
| 21:06.36 | Jayce^ | *shrug* |
| 21:08.03 | Jayce^ | went to a windows box, utosf.org in ie (eww) same thing |
| 21:08.19 | herlo | Jayce^: I'm looking into it now... |
| 21:09.59 | herlo | Jayce^: there is a time limit on the cookie. Just wait one year and you can vote... |
| 21:10.03 | herlo | :) |
| 21:11.45 | herlo | Jayce^: it also logs ips |
| 21:11.59 | herlo | Jayce^: I'm guessing that might be why it does the same thing on all those machines... |
| 21:12.26 | herlo | Jayce^: I can vote again now... how about you? |
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| 21:34.14 | Jayce^ | I can vote for the first time now.. |
| 21:34.27 | Jayce^ | several coworkers are in irc and on the lists though, and likely showing as the same ip :) |
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| 22:18.50 | herlo | Jayce^: yep |
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| 23:18.03 | memilyrae | Anyone have a plumber in Utah County they like? |
| 23:18.14 | herlo | memilyrae: my brothers both are plumbers |
| 23:18.24 | herlo | they probably could use the sidework.. |
| 23:18.30 | memilyrae | herlo: nearby? |
| 23:18.30 | herlo | what do you need? |
| 23:18.38 | herlo | memilyrae: maybe... |
| 23:18.43 | herlo | I'd have to check |
| 23:18.49 | memilyrae | herlo: what does that mean? |
| 23:18.51 | memilyrae | :) |
| 23:19.03 | herlo | memilyrae: i'd have to call them and see where they are and if they could do it soon |
| 23:19.17 | memilyrae | herlo: it's for my sister in Springville. |
| 23:19.25 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/337y4n - this is an awesome article |
| 23:20.08 | memilyrae | herlo: do your brothers have a number she could call? |
| 23:21.08 | herlo | memilyrae: well, I'd probably want to call the for you first... |
| 23:21.30 | thaddeusq | herlo: I think she meant "professional" plumbers. |
| 23:21.41 | memilyrae | herlo: yes...professional :) |
| 23:21.42 | herlo | thaddeusq: they are |
| 23:21.48 | thaddeusq | herlo: you know the kind with the pants that ride low. |
| 23:21.51 | herlo | thaddeusq: the both have done it for years... |
| 23:22.04 | herlo | thaddeusq: yup, we slip quarters down their slot anytime we get a chance |
| 23:22.26 | memilyrae | thaddeusq: my sister says that decriptor does that enough...she doesn't need professionals |
| 23:22.28 | herlo | memilyrae: thing is, they work for a company that's *quite* expensive |
| 23:22.41 | herlo | and I could get you a *much* better deal if they did it on the side... |
| 23:22.54 | herlo | which is why I ask, what does she need exactly? |
| 23:23.19 | memilyrae | herlo: gotcha. she said one toilet flushes a little...but something is clogging the pipes |
| 23:23.54 | herlo | okay, how much does she have to spend? I don't know how much that sort of things costs |
| 23:25.13 | memilyrae | herlo: another company said it'd be over $250 and they felt that was too much for a clogged pipe...she doesn't like like they're getting robbed. Any thought on how much they might cost? |
| 23:25.22 | mindjuju | or memilyrae, i think home depot rents hand and motorized augers |
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| 23:25.56 | mindjuju | auger = that crazy long metal snake the plumbers are going to try first |
| 23:26.11 | mindjuju | like 50 ft, they shove it down the comode and start cranking until they dislodge whatever |
| 23:26.25 | memilyrae | mindjuju: they already bought a snake and it stops and they can't get it unclogged |
| 23:26.26 | mindjuju | pretty sure home depot rents, or you could check a hardware equip place |
| 23:26.32 | Jayce^ | if you ask for an auger, you'll get something other than what you mention.. do say "plumbing snake" |
| 23:26.34 | mindjuju | oh, bummer |
| 23:27.08 | herlo | memilyrae: probably a lot less than that. The reason its so much is because they charge to come out... |
| 23:27.21 | herlo | Jayce^: you're right though |
| 23:27.29 | herlo | let me call my bro and see |
| 23:27.45 | memilyrae | herlo: ok. just let me know what you find out and I'll pass on the info |
| 23:28.17 | memilyrae | herlo: she said the snake doesn't go very far until it gets stopped so they're guessing the clog isnt' too far in |
| 23:28.55 | mindjuju | oh, i got the impression that it wasn't long enough |
| 23:29.24 | mindjuju | memilyrae , do they have kids or is it grown ups? |
| 23:29.47 | mindjuju | not to be nosy, but if child, it could be anything, small shoe, etc |
| 23:30.00 | mindjuju | give an idea of what your working with and around |
| 23:30.25 | herlo | memilyrae: my bro wanted to know how old the place is |
| 23:30.44 | memilyrae | herlo: nearly 5 yeras |
| 23:30.51 | herlo | memilyrae: that's all? |
| 23:31.04 | herlo | memilyrae: do they own or rent? |
| 23:31.09 | memilyrae | herlo: the basement wasn't completed (the toilet put in) about 2.5 years. |
| 23:31.14 | memilyrae | herlo: they own it |
| 23:31.36 | memilyrae | mindjuju: 4 kids. She says water can get passed it but no one can use it. |
| 23:31.42 | memilyrae | wouldn't surprise me if it's a toy |
| 23:31.45 | herlo | memilyrae: my brother said that if it was an older house that it would be because the toilet has hardwater clogging it up and to buy a new toilet |
| 23:31.49 | herlo | but |
| 23:31.58 | herlo | not to buy the cheapy |
| 23:32.06 | herlo | though it doesn't sound like its that necessarily |
| 23:32.07 | herlo | and |
| 23:32.35 | herlo | he said that $250 was about right because he'd not be able to do it for much less. |
| 23:32.45 | herlo | I guess it comes down to time and the problem. |
| 23:33.46 | memilyrae | herlo: gotcha...she wonders if you can tell me the companies' name so she makes sure she doesn't call for an estimate (in case she decides to ask him to do it on the side) |
| 23:34.04 | herlo | Neerings, but he said he won't be able to do it |
| 23:35.08 | herlo | and they'll be much more expensive than most... |
| 23:35.17 | herlo | so I wouldn't recommend them anyways |
| 23:35.43 | memilyrae | herlo: okay. tell him thanks for the details. |
| 23:35.47 | thaddeusq | all the plumbers I know are in Davis County. |
| 23:35.57 | memilyrae | herlo: and thanks to you too! :) |
| 23:36.01 | herlo | memilyrae: hope it helps... |
| 23:36.09 | herlo | np |
| 23:36.37 | memilyrae | herlo: yep. :) I think she'll realize that $250 is going to be a normal price |
| 23:36.55 | herlo | sad, but true |
| 23:37.47 | memilyrae | herlo: cool. we can change subjects now :) |
| 23:38.23 | herlo | memilyrae: are you sure? |
| 23:38.34 | memilyrae | herlo: PLEASE! |
| 23:38.36 | memilyrae | :) |
| 23:38.39 | herlo | s**t |
| 23:38.42 | herlo | poop |
| 23:38.45 | herlo | fart |
| 23:38.50 | herlo | p** |
| 23:38.56 | herlo | okay, I'll stop |
| 23:39.00 | memilyrae | herlo: thanks. |
| 23:39.06 | herlo | hehe |
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| 23:43.53 | memilyrae | decriptor: hey babe |
| 23:44.02 | decriptor | memilyrae: hey |
| 23:44.45 | memilyrae | decriptor: oops...looks like we grossed out timriker |
| 23:44.47 | memilyrae | :) |
| 23:45.06 | mindjuju | Yeah! gross! get a room you two! |
| 23:45.22 | memilyrae | mindjuju: :-D |
| 23:47.26 | memilyrae | herlo: I don't think you and GameMan should get a room ;) |
| 23:54.09 | herlo | memilyrae: agreed |
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