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| 02:18.38 | undertakingyou | herlo: ping |
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| 06:12.25 | herlo | undertakingyou: poing |
| 06:12.27 | herlo | pong |
| 06:14.08 | herlo | mindjuju: anytime |
| 06:27.45 | herlo | scary! |
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| 14:24.16 | undertakingyou | herlo: ping again |
| 14:54.05 | Heartsbane | o rly? |
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| 16:51.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: pong |
| 19:31.41 | undertakingyou | herlo: you still there? |
| 19:44.46 | herlo | undertakingyou: yup |
| 19:44.54 | herlo | undertakingyou: I just upgraded to Werewolf! |
| 19:47.48 | Heartsbane | Does it have fangs? |
| 19:51.12 | undertakingyou | herlo: that is cool. How is werewolF? |
| 19:51.25 | undertakingyou | I am going to upgrade to it in 5 days |
| 20:01.04 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: can I ask why? |
| 20:01.48 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: why I will upgrade to it, or why I'm waiting 5 days? |
| 20:02.28 | Heartsbane | Why upgrade to it? |
| 20:03.05 | undertakingyou | I have Moonshine in a VM. I will be moving that to Werewolf. |
| 20:03.09 | Heartsbane | while we are at? why wait 5 days? |
| 20:03.22 | undertakingyou | 5 days is the final release. |
| 20:03.26 | Heartsbane | Not familiar with Moonshine |
| 20:03.42 | undertakingyou | ubuntu is my favorite. Fedora #2. |
| 20:04.07 | undertakingyou | Moonshine = fedora 7. Werewolf = fedora 8 |
| 20:04.53 | Heartsbane | Oh not familiar with their codenames |
| 20:05.12 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: no worries :) |
| 20:05.59 | Gate | <sarcasm>Moonshine and Werewolf.... hehehe, does that mean that werewolf will only work properly on a vm hosted on moonshine? </sarcasm> |
| 20:06.19 | undertakingyou | Gate: ha ha |
| 20:07.29 | Heartsbane | I am going to bring my apocalypse box to the installfest |
| 20:08.00 | Heartsbane | the one that has been beat up with a hammer and a blowtorch |
| 20:10.57 | herlo | undertakingyou: so whats up? |
| 20:11.07 | herlo | Heartsbane: nice |
| 20:11.26 | undertakingyou | herlo: I have some questions for you. |
| 20:11.46 | undertakingyou | what is the count for thursday? I want to bring enough meat |
| 20:11.55 | herlo | Heartsbane: http://fedora-tutorials.com/2007/10/26/nix-distribution-poll-which-is-the-best-distro-codename/ |
| 20:12.10 | herlo | undertakingyou: um, I think probably 8 |
| 20:12.18 | herlo | Heartsbane: that'll help |
| 20:12.33 | herlo | undertakingyou: UTOS will reimburse the meat |
| 20:12.55 | herlo | undertakingyou: just get the receipts and give them to Emily with your address and she'll cut you a check |
| 20:14.30 | undertakingyou | herlo: next question. I have done some research on the calender stuff and that. Do you want to talk about it now or later? |
| 20:14.43 | undertakingyou | could be a good Thursday discussion no? |
| 20:14.52 | Heartsbane | herlo: Roger that I hope you don't mind that I will vote for Ubuntu/Suse over Fedora |
| 20:15.22 | herlo | undertakingyou: sure, now or Tuesday works |
| 20:15.36 | herlo | undertakingyou: its Tuesday, not Thursday btw |
| 20:15.39 | herlo | Nov 6 |
| 20:15.53 | undertakingyou | herlo: it is? I thought it was the eighth |
| 20:15.56 | herlo | Heartsbane: SUSE sucks, but I don't mind if you speak your mind... |
| 20:16.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: go back through the emails and you'll note that I corrected memilyrae when she posted the minutes... |
| 20:16.35 | herlo | s/ra/ro/g ( Heartsbane ) |
| 20:16.44 | herlo | :) |
| 20:16.58 | Heartsbane | Dazzle me with Fedora at the meet |
| 20:17.36 | undertakingyou | I have to say though. My SUSE experience has not been great |
| 20:17.36 | herlo | Heartsbane: how so? |
| 20:17.50 | undertakingyou | And ubuntu is the best. |
| 20:17.54 | herlo | Heartsbane: I can say about 10 things that I like better in Fedora than Ubuntu |
| 20:18.06 | herlo | no sudo ootb |
| 20:18.12 | herlo | that's #1 |
| 20:18.19 | Heartsbane | herlo: I don't know, show the reasons at the meeting |
| 20:18.28 | undertakingyou | herlo: ootb? |
| 20:18.30 | herlo | Heartsbane: nah |
| 20:18.31 | Heartsbane | BBIAB |
| 20:18.35 | Heartsbane | nah? |
| 20:18.39 | herlo | undertakingyou: acronymfinder.com |
| 20:18.43 | Heartsbane | pffffftttttttt |
| 20:19.54 | herlo | Heartsbane: too much controversy in comparing the distros... |
| 20:20.06 | herlo | plus sontek will just piss about how awesome SUSE is |
| 20:20.32 | undertakingyou | herlo: why would you want to have no sudo? |
| 20:26.19 | herlo | undertakingyou: on an individual box, there is not really a reason to have sudo |
| 20:26.32 | herlo | undertakingyou: on a server, I completely agree that sudo is necessary. |
| 20:26.57 | herlo | undertakingyou: I suppose if 10 people used the box, sudo would be a great thing on a personal box too |
| 20:29.38 | undertakingyou | herlo: I guess that I just don't have any issue using sudo on my personal box |
| 20:30.03 | undertakingyou | My big complaint with ubuntu is that su doesn't seem to work very well if at all. |
| 20:31.08 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: sudo bash? |
| 20:32.39 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: I have set the root password. But if I do `su` and put in the password it says authentication failed. |
| 20:33.02 | Heartsbane | weird |
| 20:33.51 | undertakingyou | yeah. If I go in and put in the root password again I can su for a little bit and then it will say authentication failed again. |
| 20:34.26 | Heartsbane | I just prefer to sudo bash if I have prolonged need for anything |
| 20:35.58 | undertakingyou | right, and that always works. |
| 20:36.15 | Heartsbane | does for me |
| 20:37.42 | undertakingyou | I wonder if I can make an alias for su so that `su` will do `sudo bash`? |
| 20:47.21 | undertakingyou | ha ha!! I can! |
| 20:49.41 | herlo | Heartsbane: undertakingyou: sudo bash is insecure though. You guys just defeated the purpose of sudo altogether by doing that |
| 20:50.21 | undertakingyou | herlo: any idea why su won't work? also how is sudo bash insecure? |
| 20:51.06 | herlo | undertakingyou: because if you can do that, then its not tracking what you're doing afterward. |
| 20:51.06 | Heartsbane | if they know your password the box is compromised |
| 20:51.21 | herlo | Heartsbane: its not about the password actually, but good thought. |
| 20:51.37 | herlo | I'm more concerned about logging what you are doing. Again, not very useful on a personal box |
| 20:51.54 | herlo | ~kill sudo |
| 20:51.55 | infobot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxgraviton gun at sudo |
| 20:53.31 | Heartsbane | herlo: I just offered it as alternate solution, I personally use sudo <command> quite a bit, what is a alternate solution ? |
| 20:55.40 | herlo | Heartsbane: to sudo? |
| 20:55.57 | Heartsbane | yes |
| 20:56.19 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: does `su` work for you? |
| 20:56.25 | Heartsbane | yes |
| 20:56.51 | Heartsbane | I am just looking for a good solution if I ever see something like that |
| 20:56.58 | herlo | Heartsbane: there really isn't one except su. I view sudo *very* useful on servers and boxes with lots of users. I don't think, however, that sudo is all that useful on a laptop or pc at home most of the time |
| 20:57.09 | Heartsbane | BTW I am still on 7.04 on my box |
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| 20:57.23 | Heartsbane | I am still seeing a lot of broken things in 7.10 |
| 20:57.30 | herlo | Heartsbane: for what its worth, I enable pam_wheel.so in my /etc/pam.d/su file as it makes becoming root quite simple |
| 20:57.31 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: it did it for me on 7.04 too. |
| 20:58.15 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: what do you see broken? |
| 20:58.38 | Heartsbane | Well I try and set a encryped LVM on install |
| 20:58.56 | Heartsbane | I can't build a LVM accross multiple drives @ startup |
| 20:59.03 | Heartsbane | It just hangs |
| 20:59.20 | Heartsbane | Video driver issues for Compiz Fusion |
| 20:59.38 | Heartsbane | Those are the 2 things on the top of my list |
| 21:00.04 | Heartsbane | why? |
| 21:00.19 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: I haven't had the driver problems |
| 21:00.42 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: I have they are all over the forums |
| 21:00.53 | Heartsbane | I haven't looked lately |
| 21:01.51 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: also when I try and set a encrypted LVM over /dev/hdc/ and /dev/hdd it just sits there |
| 21:02.35 | undertakingyou | I have never done an encrypted LVM |
| 21:02.56 | herlo | http://xkcd.com/331/ |
| 21:03.06 | herlo | that made me chuckle, especially the tooltip |
| 21:03.26 | Heartsbane | I was going to try it later ...hehe |
| 21:04.05 | herlo | undertakingyou: I have/had an encrypted lvm |
| 21:04.12 | herlo | on Guty, worked well from what I could tel |
| 21:04.14 | herlo | l |
| 21:04.48 | Heartsbane | accross mulitple drives? |
| 21:06.57 | herlo | Heartsbane: nope |
| 21:07.17 | herlo | Heartsbane: I did it all in a vm, though I could use multiple drives to test it if you like... |
| 21:08.00 | Heartsbane | Nah maybe later right now I am watching football folding laundy |
| 21:08.12 | Heartsbane | well I should do more folding |
| 21:08.25 | herlo | Heartsbane: who's playing? |
| 21:08.33 | Heartsbane | GB vs. KC |
| 21:08.48 | Heartsbane | $20 if GB wins |
| 21:08.50 | Heartsbane | to me |
| 21:08.56 | Heartsbane | 1:10 to play |
| 21:09.45 | Heartsbane | ITS OVER |
| 21:09.52 | Heartsbane | INTERCEPTION |
| 21:10.00 | Heartsbane | k lets talk some linux |
| 21:10.35 | Heartsbane | I am $20 richer on Monday |
| 21:11.25 | undertakingyou | how can I list all groups on the system? |
| 21:12.08 | herlo | Heartsbane: did you win or lose? |
| 21:12.14 | herlo | undertakingyou: groups? |
| 21:12.19 | Heartsbane | sudo less /etc/group |
| 21:12.21 | Heartsbane | I won |
| 21:12.27 | herlo | undertakingyou: no don't listen to Heartsbane |
| 21:12.34 | herlo | Heartsbane: doing that isn't correct |
| 21:12.34 | Heartsbane | o ok |
| 21:12.46 | herlo | Heartsbane: undertakingyou use 'sudo getent group' |
| 21:13.12 | Heartsbane | oh |
| 21:13.21 | Heartsbane | tries to remember that |
| 21:13.40 | herlo | try |
| 21:13.47 | herlo | sudo getent group undertakingyou |
| 21:13.52 | herlo | or your group name |
| 21:13.55 | herlo | try |
| 21:14.03 | herlo | sudo getent passwd heartsbane |
| 21:14.07 | herlo | or your username |
| 21:14.09 | undertakingyou | herlo: what if the system doesn't have a wheel group? |
| 21:14.11 | herlo | see how it works... |
| 21:14.15 | herlo | undertakingyou: make one |
| 21:14.33 | herlo | undertakingyou: does ubuntu not have a wheel group? |
| 21:15.20 | Heartsbane | never even knew about that |
| 21:15.20 | undertakingyou | herlo: no. |
| 21:15.20 | herlo | Heartsbane: get entities |
| 21:15.20 | herlo | undertakingyou: interesting |
| 21:15.30 | undertakingyou | I added it, and put me in it. I also changed the /etc/pam.d/su |
| 21:15.46 | undertakingyou | do I have to restart to have that take effect? |
| 21:26.17 | herlo | nope |
| 21:26.26 | herlo | undertakingyou: just do su - and see what happens as you |
| 21:26.46 | herlo | undertakingyou: as a warning, always keep root open in another shell when testing pam modules |
| 21:28.24 | undertakingyou | herlo: no go. Ever did a restart. |
| 21:29.10 | herlo | undertakingyou: probably a gid thing |
| 21:29.12 | undertakingyou | it looks like the /etc/pam.d/su it wants everyone that is to have root access as part of the root group |
| 21:29.15 | herlo | undertakingyou: what gid is it? |
| 21:29.25 | herlo | undertakingyou: ahh |
| 21:29.41 | herlo | undertakingyou: so that's similar then |
| 21:32.14 | undertakingyou | herlo: I still added me to root. Still can't su |
| 21:35.24 | herlo | undertakingyou: what does your logs say? |
| 21:35.56 | undertakingyou | how do I look at logs again? |
| 21:36.08 | herlo | undertakingyou: probably in /var/log/ |
| 21:41.53 | undertakingyou | herlo: thanks |