IRC log for #utos on 20071011

00:01.47Zelutunfortunately I don't think I have a CD burned to actually test it.. I've been focusing on network installs recently.
00:03.57herloso you just type that at the ubuntu install prompt?
00:04.50Zeluthttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
00:05.10sontekand then i'll make a repository for non-gnu stuff
00:05.12Zelutherlo:
00:05.21Zelutherlo: RC is released tomorrow if you want to try then.
00:05.23sontekI'll call it "good software"
00:05.34HeartsbaneLamontOS?
00:05.38Zelutherlo: I have some .iso that I'll try to do via VM tonite
00:05.42sontekHeartsbane: lamont and sinuhe are making a distro
00:05.51HeartsbaneSuse based?
00:06.00sontekHeartsbane: its rpm based, but they are doing LFS basicly
00:06.06sontekHeartsbane: but with only gnu software
00:07.07HeartsbaneHave you seen it?
00:07.15herloZelut: I will start the download tonight, and just rsync the changes tomorrow
00:07.50herloZelut: am I doing Ubuntu Server? Or what?
00:07.54herloso many choices
00:08.00herlome too
00:08.04herlo:)
00:09.05sontekI would leave work but then I have to code with a pitbull in my lap
00:09.08sontekits more comfy here
00:09.37herlosontek: I thought you loved coding with your dogs
00:09.43Zelutherlo: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
00:09.47sontekherlo: I do, they just kill productivity
00:09.57Zelutherlo: you probably want one of those. alternate is text based. desktop is liveCD installer.
00:10.01Heartsbaneactually coding around a dog sounds better
00:10.24herloZelut: okay, just wasn't sure if I should choose kubuntu or edubuntu...
00:10.31herlosontek: yup
00:10.36sontekHeartsbane: if I had a rat dog like a chihauha maybe, but I have a 100lb pitbull, its very hard to type with him on my laptop :P
00:10.47Zelutherlo: I'm becoming a kubuntu fan now actually
00:10.54sontek~flog Zelut
00:10.55infobotACTION pokes Zelut with a stick
00:11.17HeartsbaneChihuaha ...... pfffttt
00:11.19herloactually to eat
00:11.21herlothen home
00:11.21sontekI'm actually thinking about giving katie KDE
00:11.23Zelutbbiab
00:11.36sontekI think she'd like it more
00:11.52penoHeartsbane: you know you want a dog that you can put into your microwave.
00:12.03Heartsbanemp
00:12.05Heartsbaneno
00:12.18Heartsbanepeno: that is not even cool
00:12.55penoHeartsbane: that's about all a chihuaha is good for.
00:13.40Heartsbaneactually I would really like to get a german shorthair
00:13.55Heartsbanefun dog
00:14.19penowe may get a dog eventually
00:14.58sontekgoozbach: ping
00:15.11sontekgoozbach: did you guys get the new ram setup on the servers?
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00:19.52sontek~flog mheath
00:19.53infobotACTION pokes mheath with a stick
00:19.58sontekfedora is all you need
00:20.39mheathYes sir.\
00:20.52sontekAlthough, a little openSUSE couldn't hurt :D
00:21.48mheathI might just give OpenSUSE a try on my Tablet
00:21.49decriptor~lart sontek
00:21.49infobotlowers sontek's priority
00:26.51sontekouchies!
00:27.15decriptormaybe opensuse is all you need with a little bit of fedora
00:27.17decriptor:P
00:27.28decriptorsome suse evanglist you are
00:28.12sontekdecriptor: You can't just force people, it'll scare them away
00:28.18decriptorah
00:28.21sontekdecriptor: you act like its not important and they get drawn in!
00:28.26sontekdecriptor: and then they are stuck
00:28.26decriptorcram it down :D
00:28.47sontekdecriptor: although the kernel that 10.3 came with has a broken thinkpad-acpi module
00:29.00decriptorcheck this out  I'm trying to get it up and running http://www.fudgie.org/
00:29.20sontekthats fricken awesome
00:29.21decriptorreally I heard that it worked, or was that the 2.6.23
00:29.26decriptoryou watch the vid
00:29.33sontekyeah watching it now
00:29.49sontekI'm so putting that on top priority for mark :P
00:30.04decriptorit should be really easy to setup
00:30.22decriptorjust a few packages and then some config changes
00:44.17goozbachubuntu support ks=?
00:44.28goozbachinteresting, let me see if it will support cobbler
00:47.58decriptorsontek: I have mine up and running it is soooooo freakin cool
00:48.03decriptorjust not enough traffic
00:49.58herloZelut: decided to hit vermilion on the way hpme
00:51.26herloand
00:51.39herlothe soup came highly recommended
00:51.43herlommmm
00:52.07herlothat and the scallops
00:52.23herlothen its on to the main dish
00:55.34sontekdecriptor: ping
00:55.47herlothese people who just sat next to me are speaking french
00:55.49decriptorsontek: ACK
00:56.05sontekdecriptor: is there a way with zypper to get the URL of a repo?
00:56.12sontekdecriptor: rather than having to open the .repo file
00:56.15Heartsbaneherlo: where were you Chicago?
00:56.27herloHeartsbane: downtpwn
00:56.40herloi swear i typed an o
00:56.48herlop well :)
00:56.56Heartsbanedowntpwn ... appropriate for chicago
00:57.02decriptorsontek:  not sure
00:57.12decriptorI've just cat-ed the file
00:57.48herloHeartsbane: there is more than just *downtown*
00:57.50decriptorsontek: actually I think there is
00:59.49sontekI didn't see anything in the man page
01:00.20herloman page! what about the woman page! :)
01:00.37HeartsbaneThat was maquis' line
01:00.54herlohehe
01:01.31herlogood thing too
01:01.31sontekherlo: could've fooled me!
01:01.51herlo~lart sontek
01:01.51infobotslaps sontek upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
01:02.14herlohah!
01:13.38herlooh, and its sooo good.  as good as last time at least
01:14.14herloso far the only thing I have not loved is the pomegranate ginger martini
01:14.47herloZelut: you'll get ur opportunity w/o me :)
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01:15.43herlothe martini was still good.  just not for me
01:17.03herlothe french next to me say things and make me laugh
01:19.07herlothe server laughed too
01:19.27herlotheir english is very entertaining
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01:20.26herloTimRiker: hey, sorry ive not been able to bring that usb key by yet
01:20.55herloshould I meet u somewhere on saturday?
01:23.24herloon sat
01:23.30herlour
01:23.33herloday
01:25.13Zelutherlo: ok, I figured out how to ks from the alternate CD.
01:26.12herloyeahN
01:26.15herlo?
01:26.55herloZelut: how?
01:27.42Zelutherlo: on the graphical-type initial boot menu hit esc and "exit to text mode"
01:27.54Zelutherlo: then do "install ks=http://server/path/to/ks.cfg"
01:28.08herloZelut: awesome
01:29.01herloZelut: so the setups are the same in the ks.cfg file?
01:29.38Zelutdoesn't appear to work with the LiveCD though.  Just alternate or netboot.
01:30.01herlothat makes sense though
01:30.24Zelutherlo: http://zelut.org/projects/misc/ks-test.cfg
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01:30.56Zelutherlo: I generated that via ubuntu's system-config-kickstart.  looks pretty standard to me.
01:31.18herlonice
01:31.48Zelutnow I just wish ubuntu created an anaconda.cfg at install so I could find more of the custom options
01:31.52herlorhel5's s-c-k is b0rked
01:32.07herloyeah for sure
01:32.54herlos/rini/rtini/g
01:33.03goozbachnice
01:33.08herlo!)
01:35.37sontekherlo: ping
01:35.44herloZelut: next time we're in the office we need to start building a boot cd w/auto install choices
01:35.57herlosontek: pong
01:36.20sontekherlo: when you do 'mv -- file' what is it doing? is it just sending empty arguments ?
01:36.56herlosontek: dunno
01:37.13herlosontek: will have to look
01:37.17sontekherlo: I'm guessing thats what its doing, I just never thought about it till now :P
01:37.54sontekherlo: but if you have a file called "-hi"  you can't move it because it think you are doing mv -hi  (-hi as arguments)
01:38.00sontekso you have to do mv -- -hi
01:38.25herlooh? right
01:39.10sontekI just had to do it on a torrent and realized I didn't know what the -- actually was
01:39.21sontekBut I'm guessing its just empty args
01:39.35herloit tells the cmd line to stop processing options
01:40.29sontekahh, yeah, I see that in the man page now
01:41.01herloZelut: spice cake!
01:41.08Zelutherlo: bastard
01:41.19herlooh yeah!
01:41.26herlololololololol
01:41.33Gateheheh
01:41.56GateYAY! VACATION WEEKEND!
01:42.41GateI get to use my dear beautiful new XMission internet to its full extent this weekend :)
01:43.24herlo~w00t Gate
01:43.25infobotstfu, Gate
01:44.00herloinfobot: that's not nice
01:53.22herlosontek: ping
01:53.42herlosontek: i may have found us another dev for iris
01:53.54herlothough he doesnt know .net
01:58.33sontekherlo: whos that?
01:59.27herloZelut: u r missing out on the blueberry hedonism
01:59.55Zelutherlo: you're hte suck
02:00.19herloZelut: why?
02:00.27Zelutherlo: for your good dinner.
02:00.39Zelutherlo: I went and picked up some groceries so I could come back and work on ks
02:01.17herlohaha, u could have a good dinner anytime u choose
02:01.53decriptorherlo: any chance that opensourcetv.tv is going to see the light of day soon?
02:02.08sontekdecriptor: I talked to fozz lastnight, he said its got awhile =)
02:02.11herlod&b love u
02:02.27herlodecriptor: very soon
02:02.29decriptorsontek: that sucjs
02:02.38decriptorherlo: that doesn't
02:02.40decriptor????
02:02.50sontekherlo: the actual developers of it say differently :P
02:02.55herlobill: $126.21
02:03.35herlodecriptor: we're meeting on sat to get it going (i hope)
02:03.49decriptorherlo: cool
02:04.08sontekherlo: I asked fozz lastnight if they could have the technology ready for my launch of devtube in a couple weeks and he said no
02:04.24herloyeah. we'l see
02:04.33herlowhat's devtube?
02:05.11sontekherlo: its the site I was trying to get up for the conference
02:05.16sontekherlo: but was to busy to finish
02:05.20herlouh?
02:05.24sontekherlo: I'm in code freeze mode right now
02:05.27herlookay
02:05.29sontekherlo: just testing for bugs
02:05.57sontekso I'll be launching it in a few weeks as long as I can get my servers configured
02:06.05sontekherlo: the collaborative video site?
02:06.13herlooh
02:06.17herloright
02:06.27sontekherlo: ok, as wondering if you were to drunk to remember when I told you about it ;)
02:07.13sontekbut I was thinking it'd be cool to use opensourcetv.tv since it'd give them recognition, but I really don't want to wait until they have time to get it up, I wanted to launch it this summer :P
02:07.18sontekbut i'm a slacker
02:07.37herlototal bill w/tip: $152.00
02:08.08herlo(1&$m i think i need to push them a bit
02:08.18herlohaha
02:09.10decriptorthis site is aggregating my blog
02:09.10decriptorhttp://gking.harvard.edu/blogconv/
02:09.19decriptorsome kind of project from harvard
02:13.45Zelutherlo: ksdevice= go in the ks or on the install line?
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02:45.04herloinstall line
02:56.04Zelutanother user is having problems with ks oddly..
02:56.14Zelutit tries wired, then wireless and chokes on networking.
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03:01.17herlohmm
03:05.05TimRikerherlo: whatever. might just drop it in the mail.
03:13.56bradymherlo: i put my notes for the conf registration program i've been thinking about building at http://bradym.net/tor.txt
03:36.39herlobradym: looking
03:37.19bradymi should probably give you some background on some of that stuff
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03:41.13bradymand everything under random notes is truly random..
03:45.06herlobradym: I see
03:46.25sontekAll the stuff listed in there is valid, but some of it needs refactored, tours and workshops, and tickets will be generalized into a singe 'activity'   which you can define a price, location, if its ticketed, etc.
03:46.49bradymyeah, that was written with a specific conference in mind
03:46.52sontekand the 'staff tools' didn't make sense to me, "county" or "State" ?
03:47.06sontekStaff tools shouldn't be region specific
03:47.34bradymthe reason for that was that in the app i wrote, county staff were allowed to do certain things and state staff had complete control
03:47.50sontekbut that should be controlled by an acl
03:48.04bradymyeah, i was more listing features not how it should be built :)
03:48.30sontekhaha yeah, thats fine, I just want to make sure we are on the same page :P
03:48.42bradymyup
03:49.41sontekand rather than have scholarships, we will have 'discounts' which then can be made into a scholarship, so you aren't limited to just scholarships
03:49.58sontekyou can do 20% off, or by one get one free
03:50.09bradymyeah, sounds better
03:52.16sontekhas herlo gave you the google doc we setup? It'll give you an overview of our plans
03:52.22sontekI've been meaning to move it to our wiki
03:52.31bradymnope, haven't seen it
03:53.51sontekwhats your email address?
03:54.19sontekI'll send it to ya
03:54.45bradympm'd it to you
03:55.39sontekok sent
03:57.49bradymlooks good
03:58.00bradymi know nothing about .net/mono though ;)
03:59.12sontekyeah but programming is programming ;p
03:59.39sontekBut I can answer most questions you have
04:00.11sontekand to get the latest versions there are repos for fedora 6, 7, and openSUSE on the openSUSE build service
04:00.28sontekand meebey always has the latest in debian (he has a backports repo)
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12:21.06herlomorning
12:49.23herlowhat site?
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13:25.42Zelutmorning
14:09.35herloZelut: ping
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15:21.29decriptorand hi again
15:25.53sonteky helo der!
15:33.24Zelutherlo: pong
15:49.19herloZelut: did you blog the kickstart thing yet?
15:49.28herloZelut: there was a different questions, but I can't recall it
15:51.41Zelutherlo: I haven't. I'm testing what options are supported still.
15:51.47Zelutherlo: so far I can't do LVM
15:52.12herloZelut: that sucks
15:52.23herloZelut: did you see my post about SCTP?
15:52.37Zelutherlo: but I'm testing to see if I can combine preseed and kickstart to get all the functionality I want.
16:03.09herlocool
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16:05.15decriptorherlo, this month's linux journal has another article on sctp
16:05.40maquisagh!  any perl gurus here?
16:05.53decriptor<PROTECTED>
16:07.27maquisecho 'foo\nbar\nblah' | perl -el 'while (<>){ m|(.*)| && print "$1\n";}'
16:07.55maquiswhy the .... doesn't that work?
16:18.48herlodecriptor: I know, and next will have another, the final one
16:19.10herlodecriptor: did november's LJ come already?
16:19.16herlo~w00t!
16:19.16infobotThere it is!
16:29.34maquis-lart herlo
16:29.42maquis~lart herlo
16:29.42infobotteaches herlo the basics, including how to RTM
16:57.42decriptorherlo, I got mine yesterday
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17:15.44decriptorundertakingyou, morning
17:20.56undertakingyoudecriptor: whats up?
17:24.23decriptor<PROTECTED>
17:29.34undertakingyouRight on
17:29.48undertakingyoudecriptor: we still going to try and meet up tomorrow?
17:30.52decriptormaybe  I'll let you know today
17:31.56undertakingyouNo worries.  We can try Saturday too if we want, or tomorrow night.  Whatever.
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17:50.53decriptorundertakingyou, ping
17:51.43undertakingyoupong
17:58.32herlomaquis: why did you lart me?
17:58.43maquisherlo: i was bored
17:58.47herlo~lart maquis
17:58.47infobotslaps maquis upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
17:58.53herlo~bore maquis
17:58.54infobot"maquis, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..."
17:59.08maquismmm
17:59.10maquissausage
17:59.19herlo~bore maquis
17:59.19infobot"maquis, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..."
17:59.32herloif I give you enough sausage, you'll go to sleep
17:59.35herlo:)
18:07.08herloundertakingyou: decriptor, why are you guys meeting up tomorrow?
18:07.52decriptorherlo, because we feel like it :P
18:08.11decriptortour xmission
18:08.26decriptorand have lunch
18:12.46herloahh!
18:13.17herlodecriptor: did you know that I'm getting (hopefully) some server/pc space at TierFour?  Their located in the Old Novell campus up in Orem.
18:13.28herloI'm getting it for UTOS
18:13.35decriptorherlo, yeah
18:13.44herlodecriptor: you knew that?
18:13.55decriptorI think thats really cool
18:14.39decriptorherlo, yeah   you were talking to me about the other day
18:15.45sontekhttp://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/iGuy-IGUY-WHITE-4G/sem/rpsm/oid/128199/catOid/-14962/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
18:34.09herlodecriptor: I was?
18:34.23herlodecriptor: wow, I am really not remembering that :)
18:34.43decriptor:P
18:34.48herlosontek: that's awesome
18:35.41sontek:D!
18:40.37undertakingyouherlo: ping
18:43.38sontekHey we have dinner coming up!
18:44.02undertakingyouamen!
18:44.05sontekI miss my homies from UTOSC!
18:45.11sontekherlo: ping!
18:45.16sontek~ping herlo
18:45.16infobotpong herlo
18:45.23sontek~syn herlo
18:45.39sontek~beep herlo
18:45.39infobotACTION informs herlo that the beeper is no longer in service
18:45.46sontek~highlight herlo
18:45.59sontek~announce HERLO!
18:46.07sontek~shout HERLO!
18:46.10sontekhmm
18:46.13sontekthis bot needs work
18:53.06Gatehaha
18:53.15Gatehi sontek :)
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21:00.18herlosontek: pong
21:18.18sontekherlo: hi!!
21:18.57sontekherlo: what do I need to do to record python and stream it to utosf.org ?
21:19.04sontekthe meet is tonight
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21:23.15Jayce^mmmm, brasa...
21:34.56sontekJayce^: meat head!
21:35.47herlosontek: you need to install ices
21:35.57herlosontek: I'll set up a config file fo ryou.
21:39.01herlosontek: and send it your way.  Did you announce that we'd do that and get approvals to put it up on utosf.org?
21:39.30herlosontek: I'll see about setting up the server again on utosf.org
21:39.37herloI'd like to listen in if nothing else...
21:39.55sontekI talked to Jonathon about it but not planning on announcing it until I know it'll work
21:42.29herlosontek: well let me send you a file
21:42.41herlosontek: I assume you use alsa?
21:42.51herlosontek: zipper install ices should probably work
21:43.17herloand I need to get everyone that will be doing recording some tools to help them do the recording
21:51.07herlosontek: pm
21:51.11sontekherlo: have you ever setup kvm through ssh rather than virtmanager?
21:51.44herlosontek: no, why?  I would see no need to do that when I could use virt-install
21:51.55herlobut I guess you could ssh and then run virt-install
21:52.34sontekI need to setup a virtualized windows2k3 server
21:52.40sontekso its either vmware or kvm
21:53.15herlokvm will work
21:53.33herlobut when you do the second part you'll have to launch it with ssh -X and do a kqemu
21:53.40herloits not too hard
21:53.57sontekwe don't have X on the server
21:54.04sontekbut I guess I can install it
21:56.06herlosontek: you don't need X on the server
21:56.19herloonly on the client you connect from
21:56.20herlo<PROTECTED>
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22:04.42sontekherlo: whats the hypervisor? In virt manager it says the hypervisor isn't started, is that just qemu?
22:06.18sonteki'm guessing it just didn't load the kernel module
22:14.06herlosontek: are you on a machine that has virtualization built into the chip?
22:14.21herlothe hypervisor if for xen
22:14.27herlos/if/is/g
22:14.42sontekherlo: /proc/cpuinfo says vmx
22:14.53sontekso yes? =)
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22:15.08sontekthis is on my laptop, gonna test on here first then do it on the server
22:15.14sontekbut I have vmx on here atleast
22:27.29herloyeah
22:27.41herloI'm not sure that's it
22:42.19sontekI need to take my laptop to novell and tell their xen guys to fix xen for it :P
22:42.52sontekI can atleast boot up with it which is better than fedora, but my ethernet card doesn't work
22:42.55sontekmy wireless does ;P
22:45.52herlohuh?
22:47.00sontekherlo: xen kernel
22:47.10sontekherlo: In fedora I couldn't boot up, it'd fail completely
22:47.20sontekherlo: with suse I can bootup but wired network doesn't work
22:47.38herlosontek: that's strange, it works fine for me
22:47.50sontekherlo: yeah, its something specific with my hardware
22:47.56sontekherlo: my hardware owns xen
22:48.15herlosontek: okay, that makes sense
22:49.12sontekherlo: which is why I want to donate it to novell for a week :P
22:49.58herloI see
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23:25.15herlosontek: I'm back and have gotten the python config file done now.  Want it?

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