| 00:04.56 | sontek | herlo: because it doesn't support toggling displaying contacts by online/offline instead of by groups |
| 00:05.38 | sontek | and she can't retrieve her passwords from it (she forgot her msn password) |
| 00:05.55 | sontek | and when she deletes a group it doesn't prompt her to move the users to a different group |
| 00:06.04 | sontek | and thats just her list from 10 minutes with it :/ |
| 00:06.32 | sontek | i'm installing kopete for her right now |
| 00:06.37 | sontek | but the internet here is slooow |
| 00:07.24 | herlo | sontek: where are you? |
| 00:07.47 | herlo | tell her she is just a n00b and to deal with its quirks. |
| 00:08.04 | herlo | can't she get a new passwd sent to her for her msn? |
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| 00:16.55 | sontek | herlo: slc coffee break |
| 00:17.12 | sontek | herlo: yeah, but its a convenience thing |
| 00:18.09 | sontek | herlo: she shouldn't *have* to deal with quirks, we are trying to make Linux mainstream, windows doesn't have these kind of quirks |
| 00:18.26 | sontek | shes the kind of user we need to start fixing Linux for |
| 00:31.58 | Heartsbane | hehehe :) that is funny |
| 00:46.13 | Zelut | windows doesn't have quirks? |
| 00:46.41 | Zelut | granted I agree that new users offer a different view we should listen to for improvements. |
| 00:49.27 | herlo | dude, that's awesome |
| 00:49.56 | herlo | I'm gonna install it tonight too... :) |
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| 00:51.16 | herlo | decriptor: hey |
| 00:51.33 | decriptor | herlo: yo |
| 00:51.38 | decriptor | uvsc isn't blocking irc anymore |
| 00:52.45 | herlo | decriptor: sweet! |
| 00:52.51 | herlo | decriptor: did you see what I am doing? |
| 00:52.55 | decriptor | oh yeah |
| 00:53.06 | herlo | 18:49 <@herlo> dude, that's awesome |
| 00:53.06 | herlo | 18:49 * herlo is using the Hotel's PC with a live Fedora CD |
| 00:53.07 | herlo | 18:49 <@herlo> I'm gonna install it tonight too... :) |
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| 00:56.43 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: how does the hotel feel about that? |
| 00:57.01 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: uh |
| 00:57.02 | Zelut | my guess is the hotel will be unaware of the "improvement" |
| 00:57.30 | Hearts|laptop | Well then I agree wholeheartedly :) |
| 00:59.14 | herlo | resizing the partition now... |
| 00:59.31 | Zelut | herlo: I don't know that I'd leave any proof like that :) |
| 01:00.30 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, probably not |
| 01:13.47 | herlo | so what other tools are there beside gparted to resize a partition? |
| 01:14.27 | herlo | they're using like 7GB of a 70GB disk |
| 01:14.30 | herlo | seems like a waste |
| 01:19.34 | Zelut | herlo: so half of my class is not ready for my class |
| 01:20.08 | Zelut | "ohh, I haven't used Linux in a few year now.." is not the best way to start the 253 |
| 01:20.43 | herlo | Zelut: I've got 17 people (1 gal) who seem like they know what they're doing. Questions are right on... |
| 01:21.07 | herlo | which doesn't happen much... |
| 01:21.17 | Zelut | which one are you doing? |
| 01:22.40 | herlo | 300 |
| 01:22.49 | Zelut | I mean when students ask what "yum" is in this class that can't be a good thing. |
| 01:23.11 | herlo | I actually like that class when it goes smoothly and since there are so many people I can say "we need to move on" |
| 01:23.18 | herlo | finished 5 chapters today actually |
| 01:23.34 | Zelut | I do like the 300, but that may be because I've done it more than any other |
| 01:24.41 | Zelut | oddly I'm more nervous about the 120 I'm doing next week. |
| 01:24.49 | herlo | I actually like *this* 300, I don't really usually care for it as much as the 133 |
| 01:25.11 | herlo | yeah, the 120 isn't bad, but you have to show emacs! |
| 01:25.31 | Zelut | I've just only done it once is all |
| 01:26.49 | herlo | heh |
| 01:27.10 | Zelut | luckily none of my students this week are taking the exam so its a no-pressure setup |
| 01:30.54 | Zelut | herlo: what is recursion referring to in dig lookups |
| 01:33.42 | herlo | Zelut: recursion refers to who will do the recursive lookups |
| 01:33.52 | herlo | seeing as its a distributed database |
| 01:34.06 | herlo | Zelut: give me the syntax |
| 01:34.25 | mheath | sontek: ping |
| 01:34.47 | Zelut | herlo: dig redhat.com will show flags: rd and the slide mentions it will "attempt recursion first", if the nameserver will allow recursion. |
| 01:35.21 | Zelut | herlo: if it doesn't it returns a referral to the tld and chases it.. ? |
| 01:35.27 | herlo | right |
| 01:35.42 | herlo | so its possible that the nameserver it contacts will do the recursion for your nameserver |
| 01:35.52 | herlo | if it doesn't want to, then your nameserver will have to do it |
| 01:36.26 | herlo | either way, the recursion gets done, sometimes its faster for the upline server to do recursion because it may already have the data |
| 01:36.29 | herlo | cached |
| 01:38.00 | Zelut | recursion meaning it'll just keep going until it finds the answer, instead of asking someone else? |
| 01:55.04 | herlo | right |
| 01:55.36 | herlo | it will possibly still need to ask other nameservers, but it will try its hardest to do all the work for you... |
| 01:55.50 | herlo | you being your nameserver |
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| 02:17.27 | herlo | Gate: good evening |
| 02:25.35 | Gate | herlo: g'day |
| 02:27.04 | herlo | Gate: how's it going |
| 02:27.26 | Gate | busy busy :) |
| 02:27.39 | herlo | yeah? That's good isn't it? |
| 02:27.52 | Gate | not particularly, 2 midterms tomorrow |
| 02:27.57 | herlo | ahh, indeed |
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| 03:49.28 | sontek | mheath: pong |
| 03:49.41 | sontek | herlo: you in town this week? |
| 03:50.42 | mheath | sontek: hmm, I forgot what I was going to ask. Sorry :p |
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| 03:53.52 | herlo | sontek: nope, next three weeks I'm gone |
| 03:57.19 | sontek | herlo: write a blog on setting up dns for your own nameservers |
| 03:57.20 | sontek | :D |
| 03:58.00 | herlo | sontek: uh, okay |
| 03:58.38 | herlo | sontek: did you see my latest post? |
| 04:02.08 | sontek | herlo: nope, was celebrating mine and katies 6yr today |
| 04:02.11 | sontek | we just got back |
| 04:03.22 | herlo | sontek: nice and happy? |
| 04:03.29 | herlo | sontek: just posted it not 20 minutes ago |
| 04:03.43 | herlo | sontek: I also installed (and dual booted) the hotel's pc tonight |
| 04:04.35 | sontek | yeah, I got her a lappy and shes now running suse :D |
| 04:04.42 | herlo | :) |
| 04:04.47 | sontek | but acpi is broken for her laptop |
| 04:04.51 | herlo | oops |
| 04:04.52 | sontek | so I have to figure that out |
| 04:05.12 | sontek | I had to disable it because it was thinking her battery was dead and shutting down :P |
| 04:05.14 | herlo | yep |
| 04:05.22 | herlo | that sucks |
| 04:05.42 | sontek | so right now she just has to monitor her laptop and make sure she doesn't drain the batter |
| 04:05.46 | sontek | y |
| 04:05.48 | sontek | which sucks |
| 04:05.54 | sontek | because its an older laptop so we should have support for it |
| 04:06.01 | sontek | its a thinkpad r40 |
| 04:06.21 | herlo | yup, I agree |
| 04:06.26 | herlo | check out thinkwiki |
| 04:06.29 | herlo | .org |
| 04:07.20 | sontek | but her only complaint so far was about pidgin being terrible, but its valid, it is pretty terrible :P |
| 04:07.32 | sontek | you aren't gonna run f8? |
| 04:07.37 | herlo | sontek: I don't think its terrible, but it could use some improvement |
| 04:07.38 | sontek | or is it still a little touchy? |
| 04:07.49 | herlo | sontek: I'll be upgrading to f8 on another box tomorrow night :) |
| 04:07.56 | herlo | gonna convert all the pcs here |
| 04:08.08 | sontek | I think i'm done running beta distros, its been nice running 10.3 and having everything stable |
| 04:08.13 | sontek | first time I've had that in awhile ;) |
| 04:08.24 | herlo | they'll still boot winders, but will have fedora as an option |
| 04:08.38 | sontek | wheres that at? |
| 04:08.49 | herlo | Chicago |
| 04:10.32 | sontek | in your hotel? |
| 04:10.54 | herlo | uh huh |
| 04:10.56 | herlo | :) |
| 04:33.17 | herlo | and once that's done, its bedtime |
| 04:50.31 | goozbach | i updated today too. 740 pkgs |
| 04:57.22 | herlo | nice |
| 04:57.33 | herlo | goozbach: so when can I move over to Centos 5? |
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| 14:53.37 | herlo | ~w00t |
| 14:53.38 | infobot | w00t!!! |
| 15:04.33 | sontek | ~hurray |
| 15:04.34 | infobot | <simonrvn> "hurray hurray for the first of may, outdoor fucking begins today!" |
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| 17:06.26 | goozbach | ~factinfo hurray |
| 17:06.26 | infobot | hurray -- created by hoxu <hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi> at Thu May 1 11:03:25 2003 (1622 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by sontek, 2h 1m 52s ago. |
| 17:06.43 | goozbach | ~seen hoxu |
| 17:06.44 | infobot | hoxu is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 113 messages. Is idling for 8d 22h 52s, last said: 'jelly-home, heh, the way to go is getty then, thanks :P'. |
| 17:06.59 | goozbach | ~literal hurray |
| 17:07.00 | infobot | "hurray" is "<reply> <simonrvn> "hurray hurray for the first of may, outdoor fucking begins today!"" |
| 17:07.07 | goozbach | ~forget hurray |
| 17:07.07 | infobot | i forgot hurray, goozbach |
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| 17:46.40 | herlo | decriptor: ping |
| 18:01.02 | sontek | ~seen herlo |
| 18:01.04 | infobot | herlo is currently on #utos (8d 12h 48m 23s) #ubuntu-utah (8d 12h 48m 23s) #utah (8d 12h 48m 23s) #uphpu (8d 12h 48m 23s). Has said a total of 1443 messages. Is idling for 6m 2s, last said: 'Ryu: Midvale'. |
| 18:01.11 | sontek | herlo: you talk to much! 1443 messages! |
| 18:07.42 | herlo | sontek: hi |
| 18:37.02 | sontek | ~silence herlo |
| 18:37.03 | infobot | ACTION shoves an apple in herlo's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 18:40.56 | decriptor | herlo, Pong |
| 18:41.04 | undertakingyou | It is so nice to feel the love in the room |
| 18:41.38 | decriptor | I feel it |
| 18:42.11 | decriptor | and am ready to eat some herlo |
| 18:58.48 | decriptor | so typing is really slow |
| 18:59.23 | decriptor | I m getting better though |
| 19:03.10 | undertakingyou | decriptor: yeah, it is really slow at first. And people might make fun of you. |
| 19:09.34 | thaddeusq | undertakingyou: might? |
| 19:09.55 | undertakingyou | thaddeusq: yeah, might. Would probably be better? |
| 19:09.57 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 19:10.18 | thaddeusq | s/probably/will/ |
| 19:10.34 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 19:13.16 | undertakingyou | now thaddeusq, you know that I use dvorak right? |
| 19:14.09 | thaddeusq | undertakingyou, you've been made fun of, right? |
| 19:14.25 | thaddeusq | ~mock undertakingyou |
| 19:14.25 | infobot | ACTION pulls undertakingyou's pants down and shows the world undertakingyou's pink spotted underwear |
| 19:14.30 | undertakingyou | very very much so |
| 19:14.47 | undertakingyou | thats my favorite pair of underwear too. |
| 19:37.09 | mheath | Hey, Anyone here use any desktop distros other than Ubuntu? |
| 19:37.16 | mheath | I was thinking of giving something else a whirl... |
| 19:38.08 | thaddeusq | mheath: define "desktop distros" |
| 19:38.50 | mheath | Distros that are suitable for use on the desktop? |
| 19:39.05 | thaddeusq | mheath: Aren't they all? |
| 19:40.14 | thaddeusq | I've been using Fedora on my desktop for many years. |
| 19:40.58 | thaddeusq | I've also used SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop here and there. |
| 19:47.53 | mheath | Well, how does SLED compare to Ubuntu? |
| 19:48.03 | mheath | Don't want to start a flame, just interested in opinions.. |
| 19:49.16 | thaddeusq | SLED uses rpm not deb packages |
| 19:50.46 | thaddeusq | Personally, I believe that Ubuntu feels more user friendly |
| 19:52.16 | thaddeusq | I believe it is because Ubuntu was built from the ground up to be user friendly, sometimes at the expense of configurability. SLED was born out of a need for a desktop version of an Enterprise distro. |
| 19:53.33 | thaddeusq | I like to be able to configure everything and not have to go through a clumsy GUI tool to do it. I don't find that capability in Ubuntu. |
| 19:54.30 | herlo | decriptor: can you do me a favor and send out an email follow up tonight about the dinner this Saturday saying where and when it is? |
| 19:54.35 | herlo | or have memilyrae do it? |
| 19:54.54 | decriptor | herlo, sure |
| 19:55.24 | herlo | thanks |
| 19:58.54 | herlo | decriptor: I'll watch for the email so be sure to cc me :) at my gmail if you could... |
| 20:00.21 | herlo | decriptor: if you don't have it, pm me |
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| 20:05.26 | herlo | decriptor: if you don't have it, pm me |
| 20:05.38 | herlo | decriptor_: oops |
| 20:06.02 | decriptor_ | herlo: sorry in a meeting |
| 20:09.22 | herlo | decriptor_: heeh |
| 20:09.25 | herlo | not a problem |
| 20:09.58 | decriptor_ | herlo: where is the link to the uug meeting stream |
| 20:19.59 | herlo | decriptor_: utosf.org |
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| 22:49.52 | herlo | decriptor: ping |
| 23:16.43 | sontek | ~ddod decriptor |
| 23:16.48 | sontek | ~ddos decriptor |
| 23:16.49 | infobot | ACTION about to DOS decriptor just for fun "Take that" |
| 23:16.49 | sontek | && |
| 23:21.16 | herlo | sontek: hey |
| 23:29.46 | sontek | herlo: sup |
| 23:29.50 | sontek | herlo: hows life? |