| 00:00.05 | herlo | send it in an email or I won't remember |
| 00:00.15 | herlo | and your vote won't count |
| 00:07.57 | sontek | so needy |
| 00:09.47 | herlo | sontek: yep |
| 00:09.54 | herlo | you are |
| 00:12.10 | sontek | herlo: i'm not the one thats all '*cries* send it to the email!!!' |
| 00:13.21 | sontek | if you can't remember my vote now, you will after you consume dry meat for 2 hours =) |
| 00:13.44 | herlo | whatever |
| 00:17.34 | sontek | :D |
| 00:21.58 | Gate | btw, herlo: I never apologized for that guy who started playing games during your presentation. |
| 00:22.07 | herlo | nah, he's a cool guy |
| 00:22.39 | sontek | see, I should've went, I could've kicked him in the jellybeans |
| 00:23.23 | herlo | haha |
| 00:23.54 | sontek | ~jellybeans herlo |
| 00:23.55 | infobot | ACTION takes herlo's testicles and puts them in a small jar filled with alcohol. |
| 00:26.56 | Gate | <.< |
| 00:26.57 | Gate | >.> |
| 00:27.04 | Gate | what in the...... |
| 00:28.03 | herlo | Gate: he wrote that macro |
| 00:31.31 | Gate | I guessed. |
| 00:31.53 | herlo | :) |
| 00:45.13 | sontek | actually herlo wrote that macro |
| 00:45.21 | sontek | but I was there when he did it |
| 00:45.23 | sontek | :D |
| 00:45.34 | sontek | its a good one to remember |
| 00:48.17 | herlo | ~jellybeans |
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| 01:03.34 | Gate | sontek: C# is a mess of Java ripoffs. Unfortunately I dislike Java too. so C# is double screwed. |
| 01:03.41 | Gate | ~flog sontek |
| 01:03.41 | infobot | ACTION pokes sontek with a stick |
| 01:05.00 | sontek | Gate: like? |
| 01:11.33 | sontek | I know of many things that c# does better than java |
| 01:20.15 | herlo | sontek: pong |
| 01:23.11 | Gate | At the moment C# vs Java is an irrelevant argument to me. I dislike them both, with the one stipulation that Java is superior in cross platform capabilities. |
| 01:23.16 | Gate | off to dinner! |
| 01:23.29 | sontek | Gate: you have so much to learn =) |
| 01:23.53 | sontek | Gate: I hate people who make random remarks and then don't state why |
| 01:24.06 | Gate | let me rephrase. |
| 01:24.22 | Gate | in my experience: (all of the above) |
| 01:24.23 | sontek | herlo: do you know the difference between usermod on suse and every other distro? |
| 01:24.37 | sontek | herlo: it seems to be a completely different app :P |
| 01:24.53 | sontek | herlo: or atleast a stripped down one |
| 01:25.51 | Gate | C# has same/similar abstractions to Java in almost every case I have used. |
| 01:26.28 | Gate | which is admittedly limited in scope and colored by the fact that I like C++ and all the obsessive control it gives me. |
| 01:27.56 | Gate | sontek: I know I am going to learn more C# and Java both. Doesn't mean I am going to like it ;) |
| 01:28.21 | Gate | now I really am off to dinner, I promise |
| 01:28.35 | sontek | Gate: you have just as much control in C# as you do in C++ |
| 01:28.41 | sontek | Gate: you can use function pointers in C# |
| 01:28.47 | sontek | Gate: it just doesn't make you :P |
| 01:28.55 | sontek | Gate: have fun at lunch |
| 01:29.00 | sontek | s/lunch/dinner/ |
| 01:39.41 | herlo | sontek: dunno the diff, let me ask Lamont |
| 01:40.30 | herlo | sontek: Lamont doesn't know for sure, but says he doesn't know either |
| 01:40.38 | herlo | sontek: dinner>/ |
| 01:40.39 | herlo | ? |
| 01:41.35 | sontek | herlo: sure |
| 01:41.41 | sontek | herlo: where you thinking? |
| 01:42.09 | herlo | sontek: anywhere, its on Guru Labs |
| 01:42.34 | herlo | sontek: we could codez afterward if you like |
| 01:43.11 | sontek | herlo: sure, i'm just setting up ordpress right now |
| 01:43.15 | sontek | need to get my blog back up |
| 01:44.05 | herlo | sontek: are you at the office? |
| 01:44.23 | herlo | where should I pick you up? |
| 01:44.44 | sontek | herlo: for italian I vote Tucci's, Mexican Red Iguana, Chinese Davids, Vietnamese same place we always go, Greek/Mediterranen Cafe med |
| 01:45.26 | herlo | Tucci's? Isn't that the chain restaurant? |
| 01:45.29 | sontek | or we can try a Thai or Steak place |
| 01:45.35 | herlo | sontek: thai! |
| 01:45.36 | sontek | herlo: yeah, but its the best I've found in UT |
| 01:45.44 | herlo | sontek: bucca's better |
| 01:45.51 | herlo | sontek: though you are losing |
| 01:45.56 | sontek | herlo: yeah, if you haven't eaten yet :P |
| 01:46.12 | sontek | herlo: yeah, but they haven't been to Braza yet,they'll learn =) |
| 01:46.15 | herlo | sontek: I haven't, lets go. I'll be to your office in 20 minutes... |
| 01:46.36 | Peregrinus | sontek: Regarding usermod, make sure you check /etc/login.defs, as settings there affect the operation of useradd, usermod, groupmod and friends. |
| 01:46.46 | herlo | sontek: I heard rave reviews about it, from someone I trust. Maybe you'll learn... |
| 01:46.57 | sontek | Peregrinus: the usermod in suse is missing a lot of arguments |
| 01:47.29 | herlo | sontek: so office right? |
| 01:47.34 | sontek | herlo: We decided to try it once instead of rodizio, we went to mc.donalds afterwards :P |
| 01:47.48 | herlo | sontek: haha, okay |
| 01:48.00 | sontek | herlo: but it was at like 3 in the afternoon, so they might have just had a bunch of meat laying around all day |
| 01:48.05 | sontek | herlo: but it was pretty nasty |
| 01:48.08 | herlo | sontek: yeah, maybe |
| 01:48.14 | herlo | sontek: you at your office? |
| 01:48.23 | sontek | herlo: I'm not there right now but I can meet you there =) |
| 01:48.30 | herlo | sontek: either way |
| 01:48.32 | sontek | I need to get some coffee |
| 01:48.34 | herlo | probably work there.. |
| 01:48.36 | herlo | me too |
| 01:48.57 | herlo | coffee sounds good, lets go to thai first, then coffee |
| 01:49.32 | sontek | Peregrinus: If you have a fedora and suse box there, checkout the man pages fofr the differences |
| 01:49.35 | sontek | for* |
| 01:50.02 | sontek | the main command I was looking for was -a to append a group |
| 01:50.11 | sontek | but then I looked at it and realized it was missing a lot |
| 01:50.19 | sontek | it might just be because its an older version |
| 01:50.31 | Peregrinus | Yeah, I have some of both sitting here. I'll look at it. It might just be that the man page hasn't been updated in forever and a day on SUSE (that happens with most distros from time to time). |
| 01:50.50 | Peregrinus | That's new in Fedora 7, I think. |
| 01:50.56 | Peregrinus | It's brand new to usermod. |
| 01:51.07 | Peregrinus | Hey, aren't you supposed to be driving towards dinner? |
| 01:51.09 | Peregrinus | sontek |
| 01:51.13 | Peregrinus | :) |
| 01:52.14 | Peregrinus | Herlo just told me to tell you that he just left ([[whispers conspiritorially]] but, he's just about done packing). |
| 01:52.30 | Peregrinus | he just left |
| 01:52.32 | sontek | hes a slacker |
| 01:52.50 | Peregrinus | He's really gone just now. |
| 01:52.52 | Peregrinus | :) |
| 01:54.04 | sontek | why aren't you? :P |
| 01:54.30 | Peregrinus | I'm trying to get some ducks lined up, but they're being shifty. |
| 01:56.47 | Peregrinus | Plus, I was updating http://www.xmission.com/~lrp/lamont/index.php?page=travels |
| 02:02.05 | sontek | I didn't want to leave until this checkout of mono trunk was finished |
| 02:02.08 | sontek | but I might have to :P |
| 02:02.13 | sontek | its only on corlib |
| 02:18.56 | Peregrinus | sontek: How much bandwidth do you have there (wherever 'there' currently is)? |
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| 04:33.17 | herlo | http://pastebin.ca/719307 |
| 04:34.45 | undertakingyou | does it not work? |
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| 04:47.59 | herlo | undertakingyou: what? |
| 04:48.07 | herlo | undertakingyou: I was pastebinning that for sontek |
| 04:48.21 | undertakingyou | I am a fool, I'm sorry |
| 04:50.27 | herlo | undertakingyou: you are not a fool, you are an op! |
| 04:50.40 | herlo | undertakingyou: do you know anything about pgsql? |
| 04:50.44 | undertakingyou | *SHINE* |
| 04:50.48 | undertakingyou | no, never used it |
| 04:50.53 | herlo | undertakingyou: wanna learn? |
| 04:50.59 | undertakingyou | I only have done mysql |
| 04:51.05 | undertakingyou | I can learn anything :) |
| 04:51.13 | herlo | undertakingyou: what's your background in sysadmin? |
| 04:51.21 | herlo | what do you work on the most? |
| 04:51.39 | herlo | linux, unix, windows, etc? |
| 04:52.01 | herlo | undertakingyou: we'll be using pgsql for iris - http://projects.utos.org/iris/ |
| 04:52.15 | undertakingyou | Windows 2003 server. and some Novell Netware 4.11 |
| 04:55.12 | undertakingyou | Have you guys already written some code on that. I didn't think that you had started yet. |
| 04:56.19 | herlo | undertakingyou: we've not yet written any code in it |
| 04:56.44 | herlo | undertakingyou: just letting you know so when we're ready to put it up on utos.org, it'll be ready |
| 04:56.49 | herlo | :) |
| 04:56.49 | undertakingyou | OX |
| 04:56.54 | undertakingyou | OK not OX |
| 04:56.57 | herlo | hehe |
| 04:57.31 | sontek | :D |
| 04:57.48 | sontek | done! |
| 04:58.19 | herlo | sontek: you wrote it all and I didn't even learn anything! |
| 04:58.23 | herlo | damn it! |
| 04:58.47 | undertakingyou | Me neither :( |
| 04:59.10 | herlo | undertakingyou: its okay, we still have to post the code and db |
| 04:59.24 | undertakingyou | *phew* |
| 04:59.48 | herlo | :) |
| 05:02.15 | undertakingyou | So I still have to get a python book and read it so I can be more help. It has to wait until after October 5th though |
| 05:04.13 | herlo | undertakingyou: but we're not using python as much though... |
| 05:04.30 | undertakingyou | you aren't. I heard that is what you were using |
| 05:04.44 | undertakingyou | hmmm. . . |
| 05:11.55 | undertakingyou | I was joking sontek |
| 05:12.00 | undertakingyou | Sorry if I made you mad |
| 05:12.04 | undertakingyou | Today is my day |
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| 06:43.51 | sontek | http://monoport.com/4841 |
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| 09:52.13 | sontek | herlo: w00t |
| 09:57.24 | herlo | sontek: aye |
| 09:57.39 | herlo | sontek: sleep! |
| 09:58.24 | herlo | hehe |
| 09:59.51 | sontek | herlo: sleep is teh sux0rz |
| 10:00.01 | sontek | herlo: I have to move over all my blogs now |
| 10:01.43 | sontek | herlo: but we should have a good base for iris by the end of the weekend |
| 10:52.55 | herlo | is it bed time now? |
| 10:58.41 | sontek | nooo |
| 10:58.55 | sontek | i'm not tired either ;P |
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| 20:00.44 | sontek | sshaw! |
| 20:00.57 | sontek | so are we going release party at novell or should we do it at my office? |
| 20:02.40 | herlo | sontek: whatever |
| 20:03.28 | sontek | herlo: ! |
| 20:03.32 | sontek | herlo: you are invited |
| 20:03.48 | sontek | herlo: we'll show you the error of your ways! |
| 20:04.15 | sontek | I think we need to start suse loco teams like ubuntu, but call them stakes |
| 20:04.19 | sontek | and then we can be missionaries |
| 20:13.18 | herlo | sontek: its all about having them all in one place. Ubuntu, Fedora and SuSE |
| 20:13.30 | herlo | sontek: we'll party and install all three for anyone who'd like to come... |
| 20:14.08 | herlo | sontek: it will be held at the OSTC probably on the 8th of November my guess. That's definitely tentative |
| 20:14.11 | herlo | but doable |
| 20:14.25 | herlo | I should be in town for one. We could do it the 10th of November as that's a Saturday... |
| 20:15.55 | sontek | tell fedora to stop being a n00b |
| 20:16.25 | sontek | suse and ubuntu will be out for a month by then, a launch party is useless |
| 20:16.36 | sontek | should I describe the word 'launch' for you? =) |
| 20:18.18 | sontek | the whole point of the launch party is to install the new distro and talk about its new features together |
| 20:18.37 | sontek | if I've already been running my distro for a month, the excitement is gone |
| 20:18.51 | herlo | sontek: its already set, I just sent an email to Shauna, we'll be announcing a multi-distro release party next week |
| 20:19.00 | herlo | the party will be held November 10 at the OSTC probably |
| 20:19.21 | herlo | maybe we should have one in each valley, but that'll take some coordinating |
| 20:19.35 | sontek | I just don't see the point |
| 20:19.36 | herlo | sontek: the won't have been out for a month |
| 20:19.42 | herlo | only 2-3 weeks |
| 20:19.52 | sontek | herlo: 10.3 comes out on the 4th |
| 20:19.54 | herlo | sontek: you never see the point |
| 20:19.59 | sontek | so it'll be over a month |
| 20:20.15 | herlo | sontek: okay, just over a month, but Ubuntu doesn't come out until 0ct 18 |
| 20:20.31 | herlo | sontek: and you're not the only one... |
| 20:20.48 | herlo | you'll have installed and reinstalled SUSE 100+ times by then :) |
| 20:21.09 | sontek | herlo: I see release parties as BoFs |
| 20:21.19 | sontek | but with multi distro theres birds of many feathers |
| 20:21.26 | herlo | sontek: see it how you want, I'll be announcing this next week |
| 20:21.45 | herlo | sontek: you can come or not, its up to you, but I'm guessing there won't be a OpenSUSE release party otherwise |
| 20:22.09 | sontek | I'll run on thursday for anyone who wants to come |
| 20:22.18 | sontek | but i'll come to yours too, even though its silly |
| 20:22.29 | herlo | sontek: its not silly, just for you is all :) |
| 20:22.46 | sontek | herlo: its a fedora release party labeled multi distro |
| 20:23.24 | herlo | sontek: nope |
| 20:23.29 | herlo | sontek: I'll have all three available |
| 20:23.59 | sontek | but the hype of the other 2 distros will be gone by then |
| 20:24.31 | sontek | everyone who plans on running 10.3 or gutsy will already be running it for weeks :P |
| 20:25.24 | herlo | sontek: I disagree.. We're introducing this to a whole new genre since the confernce |
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| 23:10.26 | decriptor | sontek: ping |
| 23:10.48 | sontek | decriptor: sup |
| 23:11.32 | decriptor | I'm siding with you on the release party stuf |
| 23:11.33 | decriptor | f |
| 23:11.57 | decriptor | if anything I think there should be a suse/ubuntu release party and then a fedora one |
| 23:12.11 | decriptor | pending on how far away ubuntu is |
| 23:14.21 | sontek | Yeah, ubuntu is supposed to release like the 18th |
| 23:14.32 | decriptor | maybe three small ones |
| 23:14.45 | decriptor | I'm for getting one together for opensuse |
| 23:15.09 | decriptor | its no longer a release party as much a party for opensuse in November |
| 23:16.16 | sontek | I'd like to get one together for suse just because it'd be nice to talk to others about SUSE specifically |
| 23:16.26 | decriptor | yeah |
| 23:16.30 | sontek | having all the distros at the same time you wont get the same discussions going |
| 23:16.37 | decriptor | you might |
| 23:16.46 | sontek | I think it'll turn more into a 'well.. ubuntu has this.. SUSE has this!' etc |
| 23:17.08 | decriptor | I don't know that that will happen |
| 23:17.20 | decriptor | but its kind of lame to have a release party over a month later |
| 23:17.25 | sontek | yeah |
| 23:17.57 | sontek | can we do it at Novell or did you want to do it somewhere else? |
| 23:18.10 | sontek | BYU UUG has a meet on the 4th too though |
| 23:19.00 | decriptor | we'll have to see |
| 23:19.04 | decriptor | what's your email |
| 23:19.40 | decriptor | I'll hopefully find out on Monday |
| 23:19.46 | sontek | sontek@gmail.com |
| 23:24.36 | decriptor | I really want Novell to help do something for this |
| 23:24.39 | decriptor | I'll see what I can get |
| 23:25.06 | sontek | yeah, I think they should |
| 23:25.06 | decriptor | just emailed you |
| 23:25.17 | sontek | they really need to work on community |
| 23:26.03 | sontek | yeah, I got it |
| 23:27.06 | decriptor | I emailed scott, but it bounced |
| 23:27.11 | decriptor | not sure what the deal i |
| 23:27.12 | decriptor | s |
| 23:28.27 | sontek | its scottmorris not smorris |
| 23:35.34 | decriptor | oh |
| 23:35.43 | decriptor | that's what it showed up as on the plug |
| 23:37.08 | decriptor | I re emailed him |
| 23:38.29 | sontek | so is there any plans for another disk or are the ones I have final? |
| 23:38.42 | decriptor | I think they are |
| 23:38.53 | decriptor | so you have them, I'm going to pull them then |
| 23:39.18 | sontek | yeah |
| 23:39.55 | sontek | I've got nfs all ready for the release and a thumb drive for booting |
| 23:39.59 | sontek | we'll need to burn some dvds |
| 23:40.43 | decriptor | nice |
| 23:40.51 | decriptor | nfs is easy isn't it |
| 23:41.42 | sontek | decriptor: yeah, it took awhile to get it working because apparmor was blocking the mount and then the firewall was blocking it |
| 23:42.04 | sontek | decriptor: I haven't looked up how to allow just nfs mounting in apparmor yet, so its just disabled for now |
| 23:42.09 | decriptor | oh its easier if you use yast |
| 23:42.30 | decriptor | if you use yast it takes care of it for you |
| 23:43.24 | sontek | yeah, I like to do it without distro specific stuff first |
| 23:43.47 | sontek | yast wont help me if I need to do it on ubuntu someday :P |
| 23:57.40 | sontek | I found it, -X |