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| 14:39.35 | programmerq | he certainly exacerbated it. |
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| 15:53.17 | spangborn | lol and apparently had no plan for vaccine distribution as we're now finding out |
| 15:53.28 | spangborn | cared more about overturning the election than vaccinating the country |
| 16:06.19 | jlp_znc | well, you have to keep your priorities in order, you know |
| 16:20.59 | programmerq | I just got the moderna shot. I've been in their study since like september. I was unblinded yesterday and got the vaccine since I had previously only had the placebo. |
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| 16:44.34 | jima | oh, congrats |
| 16:44.50 | jima | still waiting to hear about medically sensitive folks in salt lake county |
| 16:45.27 | jima | salt lake county seems to be dropping the ball more than utah, which is dropping the ball more than .us, which is...saying something. |
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| 17:07.05 | RyanE | Did trump not send the vaccine to the states, according to every other plan we've ever had? Seems to me that states have been distributing it for weeks now. |
| 17:07.31 | RyanE | not having a federal plan is not the same as the plan being "we're going to send it to the states". |
| 17:08.16 | RyanE | my elderly parents got part 1 yesterday, in ut. county. |
| 17:08.26 | jima | from my very vague understanding, the manner in which it was sent to the states was...haphazard. |
| 17:08.44 | jima | 1. utah county, different RoE than salt lake county |
| 17:09.17 | jima | 2. critical health care workers and elderly are, afaik, the only explicitly defined recipients in salt lake county |
| 17:09.24 | jima | (so far) |
| 17:09.58 | jima | the next round iirc is less-old elderly (down to 70+ from 75+) and long term care facility workers |
| 17:10.07 | jima | followed by "everyone else" |
| 17:10.52 | jima | so, people who have been in isolation for a year to avoid dying are in the same boat as everyone else, in salt lake county |
| 17:18.30 | RyanE | Sure, but that's all up to the state, has nothing to do with federal distribution. |
| 17:19.48 | RyanE | I'm not aruging that the state is doing a good job (or a bad job), but letting the states sort it out themselves seems like a reasonable plan to me, since different states may have different priorities for distribution. |
| 17:40.02 | jima | RyanE: i'm not EXACTLY talking out of my ass: https://kjzz.com/news/local/gov-cox-says-too-much-vaccine-in-pharmacies-not-enough-at-health-departments |
| 17:43.44 | RyanE | I'm not saying you were. |
| 17:44.22 | jima | "Sure, but that's all up to the state" -- not unless you're calling the governor a liar. |
| 17:46.07 | RyanE | Valid point. I think the federal govt should have been *less* involved. :) |
| 17:47.37 | jima | i'm on the fence about whether i feel that the states should have total autonomy on the protocol...clearly they have at least SOME autonomy, and further counties have SOME autonomy, and the net result is that the rollout is really inconsistent from state-to-state and county-to-county, which i don't think serves the greater good as best as it could. |
| 17:48.08 | jima | to your point, the feds didn't seem to have much of a plan, so i can understand your feelings on cutting them out of the picture as much as possible |
| 17:48.12 | RyanE | I would nearly always side with local control being better. |
| 17:49.11 | jima | it's just frustrating to watch other states vaccinating medically sensitive people already and still be stuck at home for months, waiting for my medically sensitive household member to get their turn. |
| 17:49.17 | RyanE | since the governor is saying that the part of the plan the federal government *is* handing is the problem. In any case, I was mainly aruging that it's disingenous to say the federal government didn't have a plan for distribution. |
| 17:49.48 | jima | it was something of a plan, just a very haphazard one that didn't give states the flexibility they needed, yes. |
| 17:50.13 | RyanE | yup |
| 17:51.03 | RyanE | and good luck with your situation, I can imagine it would be frustrating. |
| 17:51.33 | jima | well, we've actually been in lockdown for about 16 months, for other medical reasons...so yeah, it's been a rough while. |
| 17:52.27 | jima | similarly frustrating to see the "yolo" attitude toward covid-19 from an unfortunate percentage of utahns. |
| 17:53.00 | jima | it's...given some insights to how much many folks here actually value life. |
| 17:59.32 | spangborn | I'm still waiting for Trump's healthcare plan |
| 18:00.30 | jima | spangborn: he assigned it to godot |
| 18:02.24 | RyanE | I guess you can stop waiting. |
| 18:02.30 | RyanE | It's infrastructure week. |
| 18:04.11 | spangborn | lol |
| 18:09.05 | jima | i thought infrastructure week was in august, to commemorate the i-35w bridge collapse (and resultant scramble to identify any similar liabilities). |
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| 20:53.47 | jfindlay | ~horse biden |
| 20:53.47 | infobot | http://biden.horse/ |
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