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| 14:07.27 | spangborn | Eh, it's encrypted before it's sent there |
| 14:07.41 | spangborn | You should not trust any network ever then |
| 14:08.16 | spangborn | Better off moving to the woods |
| 14:08.24 | spangborn | (Which sounds lovely, for the record) |
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| 18:28.32 | spangborn | dumps milk on youtah |
| 19:00.28 | youtah | encrypts spangborn and sends him to the woods |
| 19:00.38 | spangborn | Hi I'd like to politely say |
| 19:00.41 | spangborn | Fuck Ruth Watkins |
| 19:00.44 | spangborn | That is all |
| 19:01.01 | youtah | https://imgur.com/gallery/FFPbXER |
| 19:06.32 | youtah | Just saw your tweet |
| 19:08.30 | spangborn | Mhmm |
| 19:08.36 | spangborn | I ripped into her on FB too |
| 19:08.55 | spangborn | U of U posted some BS statement about how they care about student safety |
| 19:08.59 | spangborn | and how they're "remembering Lauren" |
| 19:09.01 | spangborn | lol right |
| 19:09.11 | spangborn | Then pay out the lawsuit already |
| 19:09.27 | youtah | They also made a huge stink about it at the Game |
| 19:09.43 | youtah | During the football game they were did a moment of silence for her, etc |
| 19:09.45 | spangborn | Their claim to not being liable is so shitty |
| 19:09.52 | spangborn | "He wasn't a student or employee sooooo" |
| 19:10.27 | spangborn | So hypothetically, if a mass shooter who has no student/employee relationship comes on campus and starts shooting it up, they're not responsible to protect students? |
| 19:10.39 | spangborn | Seems pretty ridiculous |
| 19:23.56 | youtah | IIRC, there were national cases that stated something like, police are not required to protect |
| 19:24.17 | youtah | I wonder if that is part of their thought process |
| 19:29.38 | spangborn | I think that's a pretty big cop-out |
| 19:29.56 | spangborn | And should lead students to reconsider if they want to go to a school where student safety isn't a priority |
| 19:34.13 | youtah | it begs the question though, at what point is the cop no longer required to protect? Until they're dead? Do they get to preserve their own life? or are they forced to try and protect others until they're dead? |
| 19:35.02 | youtah | granted, her case is different and doesn't fall under that really, and there were other serious negligent situations. |
| 19:42.33 | youtah | (btw, I do believe they showed gross negligence) |
| 19:47.49 | jlp_znc | the police have no responsibility to "protect" anyone. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html |
| 19:48.25 | jlp_znc | didn't we have this conversation already? |
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| 20:20.46 | spangborn | lol yes |
| 20:20.53 | spangborn | But the U posted a tone-deaf statement today |
| 20:20.58 | spangborn | talking out of both sides of their mouth |
| 20:21.17 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/RuthVWatkins/status/1186685609655451649 |
| 20:21.33 | spangborn | Thus my negative sentiment toward Ruth Watkins |
| 20:21.45 | jlp_znc | wow, she's pretty insensitive. |
| 20:21.59 | spangborn | The one on Facebook was worse |
| 20:22.37 | spangborn | in terms of response |
| 20:26.21 | shalkie | I understand there was a walkout today at the U. |
| 20:28.19 | spangborn | Yep |
| 20:28.22 | spangborn | Thus her statement |
| 20:52.58 | romanovic | I understand the sentiment towards tone-deaf PR statements. I wish more people could see the other side of how police handle these issues, as well. I take issue with the "<X number of people> reported this individual in the past, and the police did NOTHING, they grossly neglected their duty" statements. It is a statement made, where in hindsight, you know who the guilty party is, and their activity timeline leading |
| 20:52.58 | romanovic | up to the offense has been established, and spin it in a way that makes it seem like the police were just lazy or don't take rape/assault culture seriously. |
| 20:54.23 | romanovic | I would encourage anyone who has made such statements to spend time with a police or other investigative unit, and check out what sort of reports they receive on a daily basis, and how they respond to those reports |
| 21:11.19 | spangborn | Well, except the findings showed that they were lazy |
| 21:11.42 | spangborn | That they didn't respond to her legitimate complaints, and that several calls to dispatchers were dismissive |
| 21:13.08 | spangborn | and the police chief has a history of failing women in domestic violence situations https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2019/07/01/university-utah-officer/ |
| 21:13.14 | spangborn | former police chief now, but still |
| 21:13.46 | spangborn | two domestic violence cases under that chief, the same officer involved both times |
| 21:13.52 | spangborn | Seems pretty systemic to me |
| 21:56.09 | jlp_znc | seems to me that the U president ought to take responsibility, at least, instead of saying "the buck stops over there... somewhere... just not on my desk" |
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| 22:19.37 | shalkie | j |
| 22:19.46 | shalkie | Ooops... s/j// |
| 22:20.07 | jlp_znc | :) |
| 22:20.15 | jlp_znc | ~:)stats |
| 22:20.19 | infobot | total count of :) on #utah: 2064. Top 3: goozbach -- 289 (14.0%), eightyeight -- 232 (11.2%), SunSparc -- 206 (10.0%) |
| 22:20.30 | jlp_znc | ~:)stats jlp_znc |
| 22:21.24 | jlp_znc | infobot: you okay, there? |
| 22:21.44 | jlp_znc | infobot? hello? |
| 22:21.56 | jlp_znc | (I think I killed her) |
| 22:26.56 | shalkie | I was worried when I saw Chipotle in the news feed, but seems to be all good. Crushing earning estimates and now building out drive thru windows. :) |
| 22:27.06 | shalkie | Not so good for NordVPN though. |
| 22:28.30 | shalkie | https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-hacked/ |
| 22:28.52 | jlp_znc | oops |
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| 22:42.12 | jfindlay | ~napoleon youtah |
| 22:42.12 | infobot | ACTION tames a wild honeymoon stallion for youtah |
| 22:42.50 | jfindlay | spangborn: I don't trust their proprietary app to correctly encrypt my data before sending it |
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