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| 14:07.29 | spangborn | youtah: where's your Strava pal |
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| 14:07.29 | spangborn | youtah: where's your Strava pal |
| 14:17.44 | jlp_znc | why are there so many songs about rainbows? |
| 14:18.26 | aeryndunham | and what's on the other side? |
| 14:18.33 | jlp_znc | seriously, though, why do so many software projects today want to completely rebuild the entire world with every build? |
| 14:18.42 | spangborn | npm lol |
| 14:19.21 | jlp_znc | our build process here takes about 90 minutes to build and another 30-45 to deploy because it rebuilds the entire world (even if you only changed one thing in one module) |
| 14:19.47 | spangborn | Sounds like y'all need to use packaging |
| 14:17.44 | jlp_znc | why are there so many songs about rainbows? |
| 14:19.49 | jlp_znc | and the deploy process involves spinning up 15 EC2 instances |
| 14:20.14 | jlp_znc | oh, it builds packages (rpms) and then uses them to deploy, but it happily rebuilds all of the rpms in the world even if they haven't changed. |
| 14:21.02 | jlp_znc | we're dropping $70k/month on ec2 just for the devs (not even counting production or test) |
| 14:18.26 | aeryndunham | and what's on the other side? |
| 14:21.17 | spangborn | Sounds like you should hire some real devops |
| 14:18.33 | jlp_znc | seriously, though, why do so many software projects today want to completely rebuild the entire world with every build? |
| 14:21.31 | jlp_znc | yeah, they just did, a month ago (which is why I'm here) |
| 14:21.39 | spangborn | hah, get to work and fix it |
| 14:18.42 | spangborn | npm lol |
| 14:21.51 | spangborn | Save em some money and then ask for it in your paycheck instead |
| 14:22.01 | jlp_znc | heh, wrong kind of money. |
| 14:19.21 | jlp_znc | our build process here takes about 90 minutes to build and another 30-45 to deploy because it rebuilds the entire world (even if you only changed one thing in one module) |
| 14:22.29 | spangborn | This isn't that bitcoin place is it |
| 14:22.40 | jlp_znc | we can't spend $100k on hardware (because that's capital expenditure) to build out a performance environment on-prem, so instead we are going to spend another $40k/month on aws charges to run it there. |
| 14:19.47 | spangborn | Sounds like y'all need to use packaging |
| 14:19.49 | jlp_znc | and the deploy process involves spinning up 15 EC2 instances |
| 14:20.14 | jlp_znc | oh, it builds packages (rpms) and then uses them to deploy, but it happily rebuilds all of the rpms in the world even if they haven't changed. |
| 14:21.02 | jlp_znc | we're dropping $70k/month on ec2 just for the devs (not even counting production or test) |
| 14:22.57 | jlp_znc | no, this is forcepoint |
| 14:21.17 | spangborn | Sounds like you should hire some real devops |
| 14:23.01 | spangborn | Oh good |
| 14:21.31 | jlp_znc | yeah, they just did, a month ago (which is why I'm here) |
| 14:23.19 | jlp_znc | I've been out of medici for almost two years now. |
| 14:21.39 | spangborn | hah, get to work and fix it |
| 14:23.20 | spangborn | I'm currently work homeless |
| 14:21.51 | spangborn | Save em some money and then ask for it in your paycheck instead |
| 14:22.01 | jlp_znc | heh, wrong kind of money. |
| 14:23.26 | spangborn | In that I don't have a desk at work anymore |
| 14:23.27 | jlp_znc | want a job? |
| 14:23.30 | jlp_znc | :) |
| 14:22.29 | spangborn | This isn't that bitcoin place is it |
| 14:23.34 | spangborn | Haha, possibly |
| 14:22.40 | jlp_znc | we can't spend $100k on hardware (because that's capital expenditure) to build out a performance environment on-prem, so instead we are going to spend another $40k/month on aws charges to run it there. |
| 14:24.19 | spangborn | Oh I didn't realize Forcepoint was a Raytheon company hah |
| 14:24.43 | spangborn | You've gone full circle! |
| 14:24.56 | jlp_znc | yep, as my son said, "back to the mother ship" |
| 14:25.10 | spangborn | I briefly worked for a Raytheon company too |
| 14:22.57 | jlp_znc | no, this is forcepoint |
| 14:25.21 | spangborn | As in, Raytheon acquired them and I got laid off |
| 14:25.24 | jlp_znc | crazy thing is that there are a bunch of people here that were here when I was before... they are pushing 15 years |
| 14:23.01 | spangborn | Oh good |
| 14:25.36 | jlp_znc | hmmm, you worked for the wrong company, then. :D |
| 14:23.19 | jlp_znc | I've been out of medici for almost two years now. |
| 14:23.20 | spangborn | I'm currently work homeless |
| 14:25.39 | spangborn | AST |
| 14:23.26 | spangborn | In that I don't have a desk at work anymore |
| 14:23.27 | jlp_znc | want a job? |
| 14:23.30 | jlp_znc | :) |
| 14:23.34 | spangborn | Haha, possibly |
| 14:24.19 | spangborn | Oh I didn't realize Forcepoint was a Raytheon company hah |
| 14:26.01 | spangborn | I just wish my clearance had gone through before I got laid off, heh |
| 14:26.18 | spangborn | I would have been perfectly fine with getting laid off if that process had completed |
| 14:24.43 | spangborn | You've gone full circle! |
| 14:26.20 | jlp_znc | if it had, you probably wouldn't have been laid off |
| 14:24.56 | jlp_znc | yep, as my son said, "back to the mother ship" |
| 14:26.27 | spangborn | Probably. |
| 14:25.10 | spangborn | I briefly worked for a Raytheon company too |
| 14:26.32 | spangborn | That stuff isn't cheap |
| 14:26.42 | jlp_znc | but yeah, it's a lot easier to get a clearance reactivated than to get a new one |
| 14:25.21 | spangborn | As in, Raytheon acquired them and I got laid off |
| 14:26.55 | jlp_znc | makes you very attractive to a lot of employers |
| 14:25.24 | jlp_znc | crazy thing is that there are a bunch of people here that were here when I was before... they are pushing 15 years |
| 14:27.03 | spangborn | Yeah, opens an entirely different sector of jobs too |
| 14:25.36 | jlp_znc | hmmm, you worked for the wrong company, then. :D |
| 14:28.04 | jlp_znc | my 2nd oldest got his clearance while in the USAF and is now on his third company, leveraging his salary up each time. still working for the USAF, but as a civilian contractor. |
| 14:25.39 | spangborn | AST |
| 14:28.18 | spangborn | Sounds like the most ideal situation |
| 14:28.35 | jlp_znc | he's learning all about how drones work right now. like, how the ground stations work, how to fix them when they break, how the comms work, etc. |
| 14:28.47 | spangborn | Forcepoint would actually be a pretty relevant career move for me |
| 14:28.48 | spangborn | Hmm |
| 14:29.02 | spangborn | (I work in infosec/appsec currently) |
| 14:29.13 | jlp_znc | I'll check with my manager and see what we are still hiring for. I know we have been hiring like mad. |
| 14:29.20 | jlp_znc | you interested in moving to Cork Ireland? |
| 14:26.01 | spangborn | I just wish my clearance had gone through before I got laid off, heh |
| 14:29.22 | jlp_znc | :D |
| 14:26.18 | spangborn | I would have been perfectly fine with getting laid off if that process had completed |
| 14:26.20 | jlp_znc | if it had, you probably wouldn't have been laid off |
| 14:26.27 | spangborn | Probably. |
| 14:26.32 | spangborn | That stuff isn't cheap |
| 14:26.42 | jlp_znc | but yeah, it's a lot easier to get a clearance reactivated than to get a new one |
| 14:26.55 | jlp_znc | makes you very attractive to a lot of employers |
| 14:30.05 | spangborn | Never been, but that would probably be cool hah |
| 14:27.03 | spangborn | Yeah, opens an entirely different sector of jobs too |
| 14:28.04 | jlp_znc | my 2nd oldest got his clearance while in the USAF and is now on his third company, leveraging his salary up each time. still working for the USAF, but as a civilian contractor. |
| 14:28.18 | spangborn | Sounds like the most ideal situation |
| 14:28.35 | jlp_znc | he's learning all about how drones work right now. like, how the ground stations work, how to fix them when they break, how the comms work, etc. |
| 14:28.47 | spangborn | Forcepoint would actually be a pretty relevant career move for me |
| 14:28.48 | spangborn | Hmm |
| 14:29.02 | spangborn | (I work in infosec/appsec currently) |
| 14:29.13 | jlp_znc | I'll check with my manager and see what we are still hiring for. I know we have been hiring like mad. |
| 14:31.24 | jlp_znc | looks like we have an opening for a Systems Engineer III here in SLC |
| 14:29.20 | jlp_znc | you interested in moving to Cork Ireland? |
| 14:29.22 | jlp_znc | :D |
| 14:32.10 | spangborn | Cool, looking at that right now |
| 14:30.05 | spangborn | Never been, but that would probably be cool hah |
| 14:32.12 | jlp_znc | working mostly with VMWare |
| 14:32.58 | jlp_znc | let me know if you are interested and I can put in a good word. |
| 14:31.24 | jlp_znc | looks like we have an opening for a Systems Engineer III here in SLC |
| 14:32.10 | spangborn | Cool, looking at that right now |
| 14:32.12 | jlp_znc | working mostly with VMWare |
| 14:32.58 | jlp_znc | let me know if you are interested and I can put in a good word. |
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| 17:02.07 | youtah | favorite diff tools for Ubuntu? I am still using Meld |
| 17:02.21 | youtah | wondering if there's something newer/better than what I am using these days |
| 17:03.07 | youtah | spangborn, technically, you worked with jlp_znc and me for a few months |
| 17:02.07 | youtah | favorite diff tools for Ubuntu? I am still using Meld |
| 17:02.21 | youtah | wondering if there's something newer/better than what I am using these days |
| 17:03.07 | youtah | spangborn, technically, you worked with jlp_znc and me for a few months |
| 17:14.46 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/gabro27/status/1173547934132178944 |
| 17:14.49 | spangborn | Software development is over |
| 17:18.45 | JPaul | finally |
| 17:14.46 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/gabro27/status/1173547934132178944 |
| 17:14.49 | spangborn | Software development is over |
| 17:20.16 | JPaul | just wait though, soon the bots will start doing commits to master without doing PR's and code review and then gripe about how doing PR's are slowing them down |
| 17:20.33 | JPaul | or is that just my developers? |
| 17:21.12 | spangborn | You let them do that? |
| 17:21.46 | JPaul | I'd beat them with a shovel for doing it if I could |
| 17:22.05 | JPaul | shawn_of_the_dead_shovel.gif |
| 17:22.24 | spangborn | So why don't you? lol |
| 17:23.07 | JPaul | in some places it is generally frowned upon and considered "assault with a deadly weapon" and "murder in the first" and such. |
| 17:18.45 | JPaul | finally |
| 17:24.42 | JPaul | we're almost to 2020 and still have guys doing random commits to master, developing in production, etc. |
| 17:20.16 | JPaul | just wait though, soon the bots will start doing commits to master without doing PR's and code review and then gripe about how doing PR's are slowing them down |
| 17:24.53 | spangborn | Still better than the death penalty imo |
| 17:20.33 | JPaul | or is that just my developers? |
| 17:21.12 | spangborn | You let them do that? |
| 17:26.29 | JPaul | what's funny is being a non-developer, as I learn more about how the devs "should" be doing things, the more infuriated I become because it's obvious to me why it's a good idea. |
| 17:21.46 | JPaul | I'd beat them with a shovel for doing it if I could |
| 17:22.05 | JPaul | shawn_of_the_dead_shovel.gif |
| 17:22.24 | spangborn | So why don't you? lol |
| 17:23.07 | JPaul | in some places it is generally frowned upon and considered "assault with a deadly weapon" and "murder in the first" and such. |
| 17:30.15 | JPaul | I wish I had a spare $400 to go ahead and buy an Overland Experience ticket to Overland Expo West for next year |
| 17:30.52 | JPaul | went for the first time this past one and it was pretty cool, but I really would have liked to do the classes and whatnot. |
| 17:24.42 | JPaul | we're almost to 2020 and still have guys doing random commits to master, developing in production, etc. |
| 17:24.53 | spangborn | Still better than the death penalty imo |
| 17:26.29 | JPaul | what's funny is being a non-developer, as I learn more about how the devs "should" be doing things, the more infuriated I become because it's obvious to me why it's a good idea. |
| 17:30.15 | JPaul | I wish I had a spare $400 to go ahead and buy an Overland Experience ticket to Overland Expo West for next year |
| 17:30.52 | JPaul | went for the first time this past one and it was pretty cool, but I really would have liked to do the classes and whatnot. |
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| 18:39.08 | shalkie | jlp_znc: It sounds like the perfect type of workload for spot instances, are you using them? |
| 18:40.25 | jlp_znc | shalkie: I doubt it |
| 18:40.52 | shalkie | Pity, that can give a steep discount. |
| 18:41.30 | jlp_znc | the interesting thing to me was the developer attitude... something like "if the company can't afford a paltry $70k a month, then we have bigger problems." |
| 18:41.58 | jlp_znc | interesting and concerning. I know the money is not a problem, but I still can't see wasting it. |
| 18:39.08 | shalkie | jlp_znc: It sounds like the perfect type of workload for spot instances, are you using them? |
| 18:43.04 | shalkie | Yeah. |
| 18:44.31 | shalkie | I have just started getting into overlander and van/schoolie/box truck conversions. I had just assumed there was something in the area. |
| 18:40.25 | jlp_znc | shalkie: I doubt it |
| 18:40.52 | shalkie | Pity, that can give a steep discount. |
| 18:41.30 | jlp_znc | the interesting thing to me was the developer attitude... something like "if the company can't afford a paltry $70k a month, then we have bigger problems." |
| 18:41.58 | jlp_znc | interesting and concerning. I know the money is not a problem, but I still can't see wasting it. |
| 18:43.04 | shalkie | Yeah. |
| 18:44.31 | shalkie | I have just started getting into overlander and van/schoolie/box truck conversions. I had just assumed there was something in the area. |
| 19:50.03 | JPaul | So far I have mainly taken my H3 Alpha offroading down to Moab, but I want to get it setup more for camping than anything. |
| 19:50.03 | JPaul | So far I have mainly taken my H3 Alpha offroading down to Moab, but I want to get it setup more for camping than anything. |
| 20:58.38 | shalkie | I really liked the idea of roof top tents, but the price is a bit much. |
| 20:58.38 | shalkie | I really liked the idea of roof top tents, but the price is a bit much. |
| 21:16.50 | JPaul | same here. Other issue is that is a lot of weight to always have on your rig. If you put it on a trailer that fixes that issue though. |
| 21:17.46 | JPaul | i picked up a military M101A2 trailer a couple years ago for cheap. The bed is kind of trash but it works well and lets me get all the gear out of and off of my H3. |
| 21:18.25 | JPaul | a family of 5 doesn't leave a lot of room in the truck so before I put most of it on my roof basket and a hitch basket. |
| 21:18.51 | JPaul | it was a pain going anywhere because it took a couple hours to load up and unload each. |
| 21:19.24 | JPaul | i added a free truck topper to the trailer so now I have an enclosed trailer capable of going anywhere my rig can (almost) that I can just throw everything in and leave. |
| 21:19.44 | JPaul | eventually I'd like to have it stay packed so that we just get clothes and food and leave. |
| 21:16.50 | JPaul | same here. Other issue is that is a lot of weight to always have on your rig. If you put it on a trailer that fixes that issue though. |
| 21:17.46 | JPaul | i picked up a military M101A2 trailer a couple years ago for cheap. The bed is kind of trash but it works well and lets me get all the gear out of and off of my H3. |
| 21:18.25 | JPaul | a family of 5 doesn't leave a lot of room in the truck so before I put most of it on my roof basket and a hitch basket. |
| 21:18.51 | JPaul | it was a pain going anywhere because it took a couple hours to load up and unload each. |
| 21:19.24 | JPaul | i added a free truck topper to the trailer so now I have an enclosed trailer capable of going anywhere my rig can (almost) that I can just throw everything in and leave. |
| 21:19.44 | JPaul | eventually I'd like to have it stay packed so that we just get clothes and food and leave. |
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| 22:20.26 | jfindlay | for when that moment of apocalypse arrives |
| 22:20.26 | jfindlay | for when that moment of apocalypse arrives |
| 22:35.09 | JPaul | also known as the weekend and screw work |
| 22:40.59 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 22:41.00 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |
| 22:35.09 | JPaul | also known as the weekend and screw work |
| 22:40.59 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 22:41.00 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |