| 00:17.04 | *** join/#utah infobot (ibot@c-174-52-60-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:17.04 | *** topic/#utah is Utah-related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://infobot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | To combat spam, you must register with NickServ if you wish to speak. This may or may not be temporary. |
| 00:17.04 | *** mode/#utah [+o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 00:38.20 | *** join/#utah tiwula (~lane@174-23-69-205.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 03:26.04 | *** part/#utah tsharpe69 (~nick46@45.32.194.236) |
| 03:26.23 | *** join/#utah tsharpe (~nick46@45.32.194.236) |
| 11:26.44 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@hs-nc-1fff767f54-29977-1.tingfiber.com) |
| 13:32.32 | *** join/#utah aeryndunham (~aeryndunh@74.115.235.98) |
| 14:44.28 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-esbpsefgsbbqxxck) |
| 14:58.10 | *** join/#utah braxtron (~braxtron@216.160.248.178) |
| 15:20.17 | *** join/#utah josephscott (~josephsco@74.114.153.251) |
| 15:28.30 | youtah | ~fish spangborn |
| 15:28.30 | infobot | ACTION slaps spangborn around with a large trout |
| 15:28.34 | youtah | https://i.imgur.com/YkQ1Nx6.mp4 |
| 15:28.50 | spangborn | I'm not sending you boobs, youtah |
| 15:28.55 | youtah | lol |
| 15:29.07 | youtah | Just make sure you watch that short non-gif gif |
| 15:29.27 | youtah | btw spangborn ... I ordered the bike |
| 15:29.34 | spangborn | Nice, what tires? |
| 15:29.43 | youtah | I was going to pay for the whole thing up front and they're like "So, you want 12 months no interest?" |
| 15:29.45 | youtah | Uhhhhhh, yeah |
| 15:30.24 | youtah | it comes with the 2.8's no matter what |
| 15:30.49 | youtah | I was looking at replacing them, but more $$$ |
| 15:31.46 | youtah | They said the most narrow I can go is 2.0 |
| 15:34.45 | spangborn | That'll help a lot |
| 15:36.14 | youtah | I'd still like an aggressive tread |
| 15:36.22 | youtah | I ended up going through Hanger 51 in Draper |
| 15:36.51 | youtah | I have never inflated a tubeless bike tire before. Not sure how to use the CO2 cartridge |
| 15:37.03 | spangborn | Works the same way as a regular tire |
| 15:37.12 | spangborn | You don't have to use CO2 |
| 15:40.40 | youtah | air compressor? |
| 15:40.50 | spangborn | Or a floor pump |
| 15:40.54 | youtah | I imagine this would be impossible with pump |
| 15:40.57 | spangborn | Or even a hand pump really |
| 15:41.11 | spangborn | Once the bead of the tire seats, it doesn't matter what you use |
| 15:41.21 | youtah | cool |
| 15:59.09 | RyanE | I used starter spray to seat the bead on my previous lawn mower tire replacement. Don't recommend you do that on bike tires, tho. Exciting. :) |
| 15:59.51 | *** join/#utah tiwula (~lane@70.89.246.241-Busname-UT.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 16:04.32 | youtah | lol |
| 16:05.48 | youtah | eightyeight, I am anxiously anticipating your updated UofU BYU graph |
| 16:06.54 | eightyeight | the game hasn't happened yet? it's in 3 days, i think? |
| 16:07.37 | eightyeight | or is that all you mean? |
| 16:12.12 | youtah | This thursday |
| 16:12.17 | eightyeight | yeah. okay. |
| 16:12.22 | youtah | I don't think your last one included 2018, did it? |
| 16:12.27 | eightyeight | it did |
| 16:12.30 | youtah | oh |
| 16:12.49 | eightyeight | 61 wins for utah, 34 wins for byu, 4 draws |
| 16:13.00 | eightyeight | if you have the updated data |
| 16:13.25 | youtah | We were reading in an article on Sunday that BYU doesn't count any games when they were BYA |
| 16:13.26 | eightyeight | looks like you do |
| 16:13.52 | youtah | (anything prior to 1922 essentially ) |
| 16:14.15 | youtah | because the year 1900 is when they had a player get killed during the UofU BYU game |
| 16:14.19 | youtah | and they stopped playing |
| 16:14.27 | eightyeight | yeah. that's only 6 games. 3 for utah, 3 for bya |
| 16:15.21 | eightyeight | i'm counting them though. |
| 16:15.24 | eightyeight | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 16:18.00 | eightyeight | which means, if counting those 6 games, this will be the 100th game |
| 16:18.25 | eightyeight | wikipedia counts those 6 games also, and confirms they've only had 99 previous matches |
| 16:19.09 | spangborn | I have a titanium credit card now |
| 16:19.17 | eightyeight | do you feel rich? |
| 16:19.30 | spangborn | and I can actually tweet a photo of it without compromising anything |
| 16:19.37 | spangborn | Because it has no card number printed on it lol |
| 16:20.21 | spangborn | Not especially |
| 16:20.28 | spangborn | lol |
| 16:20.54 | spangborn | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GBfdANIE/IMG_0746.JPG |
| 16:26.52 | eightyeight | oh, apple card |
| 16:27.35 | spangborn | I like the privacy aspects of it |
| 16:28.05 | eightyeight | isn't it tied to your apple pay account? |
| 16:30.02 | spangborn | For the cashback, yes |
| 16:30.18 | spangborn | Which you can then use for paying toward bill or whatever else |
| 16:30.33 | eightyeight | and apple pay has your standard banking cards, yes? |
| 16:30.36 | spangborn | The credit card aspect of it isn't all that novel |
| 16:31.17 | spangborn | Yes |
| 16:31.55 | eightyeight | it's nfc? |
| 16:32.45 | spangborn | Yes |
| 16:33.03 | spangborn | But not everywhere accepts NFC either |
| 16:44.51 | eightyeight | youtah: /buffer #atoponce |
| 16:44.53 | eightyeight | gah |
| 17:00.12 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-dklrcjupqvelpbwa) |
| 17:08.58 | spangborn | nice ZNC you got there pal |
| 17:09.01 | shalkie | So does the titanium card mean spangborn is buying a suite for the game and inviting #utah members too? |
| 17:09.07 | shalkie | ;) |
| 17:09.18 | spangborn | shalkie: as long as you're paying my bill lol |
| 17:09.46 | shalkie | no interest and 50 years of payments? |
| 17:09.52 | shalkie | Sure. :-P |
| 17:10.58 | spangborn | lol |
| 17:37.51 | youtah | hey |
| 17:37.54 | youtah | can you guys ping 1.1 |
| 17:37.56 | youtah | oops |
| 17:37.58 | youtah | 1.1.1.1 |
| 17:37.59 | youtah | ? |
| 17:39.59 | youtah | can ping 8.8.8.8 just fine, but not 1.1.1.1 |
| 17:40.10 | youtah | scratches his head |
| 17:50.44 | youtah | can't run a trace route on 1.1.1.1 either |
| 17:51.29 | JPaul | paul@timber-wolf:~ $ ping 1.1.1.1 |
| 17:51.29 | JPaul | PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 17:51.29 | JPaul | 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=12.7 ms |
| 17:51.29 | JPaul | 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=12.8 ms |
| 17:51.39 | JPaul | works for me |
| 17:51.44 | youtah | weird |
| 17:51.53 | youtah | I can ping 1.0.0.1 too |
| 17:51.56 | youtah | just not 1.1.1.1 |
| 17:52.02 | JPaul | must not like you |
| 17:52.12 | youtah | Looks like other people in the interwebs are also having issues, according to a quick Twitter search |
| 17:52.25 | JPaul | bgp issue? |
| 17:52.57 | youtah | maybe? I have no clue |
| 17:57.03 | youtah | JPaul, https://twitter.com/youtah/status/1166046519004258305 |
| 17:59.40 | JPaul | where does your traceroute stop? |
| 17:59.52 | youtah | after my ISP |
| 18:00.02 | JPaul | who is it? |
| 18:00.06 | youtah | integra |
| 18:00.18 | JPaul | interesting |
| 18:01.13 | youtah | yeah, quick search on twitter "ping 1.1.1.1" yielded several people asking |
| 18:01.45 | youtah | https://twitter.com/overdrv/status/1165971877669588992 |
| 18:02.05 | youtah | https://twitter.com/techoglot/status/1164308025412182016 |
| 18:10.37 | JPaul | Looking at my traceroute I'm going out our XO (Verizon) line. We have an Integra line as well but it's not taking that route. |
| 18:13.31 | JPaul | definitely sounding like a routing issue |
| 18:13.43 | youtah | now we just need more people than just the two of us try it JPaul |
| 18:14.02 | JPaul | I can try it from my BH box |
| 18:14.08 | JPaul | I also have a couple DO servers |
| 18:14.19 | youtah | Oh |
| 18:14.22 | youtah | I'll try it from home too |
| 18:15.25 | youtah | works from home |
| 18:16.19 | youtah | it goes straight from Veracity to Cloudflare |
| 18:19.23 | *** join/#utah aeryndunham (~aeryndunh@74.115.235.98) |
| 18:22.34 | JPaul | works fine from all three of my servers |
| 18:38.28 | joshh | looks like integra's route should be zayo next, then cloudflare |
| 18:38.32 | joshh | http://integra.net/lg/lg |
| 18:38.42 | joshh | you can look at their routing table there with the bgp dropdown |
| 18:41.47 | joshh | the ping and traceroute don't seem to work though, might be an issue between those 2 |
| 18:43.34 | joshh | actually have to start at http://integra.net/lg/ |
| 18:43.51 | joshh | most medium/big ISPs do have a public looking glass that can be helpful |
| 18:45.59 | youtah | very interesting |
| 18:46.13 | joshh | for now i'd just email bgp@integra.net like it says to with a failing traceroute and ask what the deal is, if it's still broken |
| 18:46.31 | joshh | or if you have an account rep, can maybe get an answer via them |
| 18:52.41 | jlp_znc | fyi, I can't reach it from work, either |
| 18:53.25 | jlp_znc | but I can from linode |
| 18:54.26 | jlp_znc | I'm actually not surprised I can't ping it from work... it could be blocked |
| 18:54.53 | youtah | jlp_znc, |
| 18:54.58 | youtah | try 1.0.0.1 |
| 18:55.04 | youtah | that's also Cloudflare |
| 18:55.17 | jlp_znc | I can't even ping 8.8.8.8 from work |
| 18:55.19 | youtah | I *highly* doubt they would block a major DNS server's IP |
| 18:55.24 | youtah | weird |
| 18:55.32 | youtah | what about 8.8.4.4 |
| 18:55.47 | jlp_znc | and I can't resolve from it either (so it's not just ping) |
| 18:55.47 | joshh | they might be tyrannical about enforcing their own internal monitored/controlled dns |
| 18:56.05 | jlp_znc | I suspect they are (tyranical)... it's a security company |
| 18:56.19 | joshh | or they might allow dns traffic but block icmp |
| 18:56.23 | jlp_znc | I had to spin up a SSH server on port 443 to get out |
| 18:56.29 | joshh | a lot of microsofty-firewall types like to block icmp |
| 18:56.35 | jlp_znc | 172 bash$ host www.peterson-tech.com 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:56.35 | jlp_znc | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 18:56.38 | joshh | so if you have people like that in charge |
| 18:56.39 | joshh | could be it |
| 18:56.43 | joshh | jeez |
| 18:56.47 | jlp_znc | yep |
| 18:56.57 | joshh | switch to an insecure company instead and have more fun |
| 18:57.09 | jlp_znc | well, I've only been here two weeks |
| 18:57.12 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@hs-nc-1fff767f54-29977-1.tingfiber.com) |
| 18:57.22 | joshh | can i ask what the company is? |
| 18:57.25 | jlp_znc | forcepoint |
| 18:57.26 | joshh | out of curiousity |
| 18:57.36 | jlp_znc | (I used to work here when it was Raytheon) |
| 18:57.41 | jlp_znc | been away for a while |
| 18:57.52 | jlp_znc | but they waved a wad of money at me and I came back. |
| 18:57.55 | joshh | ah, interesting |
| 18:58.06 | joshh | those are the kinds of companies that have the strictest office networks |
| 18:58.33 | jlp_znc | yeah... I don't try to do anything personal on my laptop, either, because I'm sure there is an agent on it (well, they call it an "endpoint" now) |
| 18:58.48 | joshh | lol ya, the security wonks here all say endpoint too |
| 18:58.59 | jlp_znc | I doubt the ancient version of the agenttool I have would recognize it, either |
| 18:59.22 | joshh | but no traffic blocking happens, except network level blackholing of known malware/C&C ips, that security and neteng collaborate on |
| 19:06.16 | jlp_znc | the blocking is annoying, and the restrictions (like, you can only install "approved" apps) is annoying, but nothing I can't work with. |
| 19:07.44 | joshh | what OS is your laptop |
| 19:07.48 | joshh | or workstation etc |
| 19:08.27 | jlp_znc | well, I was supposed to get a Mac, but apparently someone in IT decided that people shouldn't have them, so I have a Dell windows box for now. We'll get it sorted eventually. |
| 19:08.37 | joshh | rough |
| 19:08.39 | jlp_znc | I also have a linux machine on my desk |
| 19:09.04 | jlp_znc | I've been playing with X2Go to access it from the windows machine... works pretty well. |
| 19:10.00 | jlp_znc | I suppose when the mac shows up I'll switch the two external monitors to the linux box and use Synergy to drive the mac while at the office. |
| 19:10.49 | joshh | or just only use the mac for watching videos and ssh'ing to the linux box |
| 19:11.35 | jlp_znc | yeah, I mainly use the windows machine for Outlook, anyway... everything else is on the linux box |
| 19:11.52 | jlp_znc | X2Go supports multiple monitors... pretty smooth. |
| 19:42.50 | youtah | man, I got put on a list somewhere, by someone, at some point in time |
| 19:43.10 | youtah | I am getting bombarded with Senor QA Automation jobs in AF~Sandy |
| 19:43.58 | youtah | Interestingly, a good 70% of them are all using Python in their stack |
| 19:44.08 | jlp_znc | ha |
| 19:44.19 | youtah | I get about 45-50 a day |
| 19:44.29 | jlp_znc | maybe someone at Fusion-IO/WD/SD did it |
| 19:44.36 | youtah | lol |
| 19:44.48 | jlp_znc | I, for some reason, keep getting ones for accountants. I have no idea why. |
| 19:45.05 | youtah | lol |
| 19:45.07 | jlp_znc | Glassdoor: "This looks like a good fit for you!" Me: no, no it doesn't. |
| 19:45.16 | jlp_znc | or machine operator. |
| 19:45.23 | jlp_znc | like, industrial machine |
| 19:46.10 | youtah | Mine come from Glassdoor, Neuvoo, Dice, & Kimble Group mostly |
| 19:49.08 | jlp_znc | I haven't been getting anything from Dice in a while... I must have told them to shove off. |
| 19:49.30 | jlp_znc | never heard of Neuvoo or Kimble. I do hear from a lot of recruiter companies, though. |
| 19:50.21 | JPaul | I've been a sysadmin for over 5 years. Still get offers for entry level tech support jobs |
| 19:57.16 | jfindlay | most of those are dens of recruiters |
| 19:57.49 | spangborn | Python would be better with braces |
| 19:57.51 | spangborn | ducks |
| 19:58.37 | jfindlay | like you're walking down the street and, 'Hey can I get you an application at Meh Corp?' 'You want to go home and rethink your life.' 'I want to go home and rethink my life.' |
| 19:58.54 | joshh | only if you like a lot of your vertical editor space to be wasted on closing brace lines |
| 19:59.22 | joshh | the fact that "blocks" just end where they end is one of the best things about python imo |
| 19:59.26 | jfindlay | just put the closing brace on end of the the last line of the block |
| 19:59.37 | jfindlay | that will make everyone happy |
| 20:00.01 | joshh | usually that's against style guidelines |
| 20:00.06 | joshh | ime |
| 20:00.50 | jfindlay | or you can reconfigure the language to require only opening braces and forbid closing braces |
| 20:00.57 | jfindlay | that would be super |
| 20:02.24 | jlp_znc | editors would love that |
| 20:02.34 | jlp_znc | probably will be in ruby within a week |
| 20:03.07 | joshh | surprised all braces/begins/ends in ruby aren't purely optional already |
| 20:03.19 | joshh | s/begin/do |
| 20:15.33 | *** join/#utah josephscott (~josephsco@74.114.153.251) |
| 22:01.55 | jfindlay | how about forbid line breaks within code blocks |
| 23:26.48 | JPaul | apparently none of the devs here understand the importance of fully testing something before launching it as production |
| 23:27.33 | jfindlay | lol |
| 23:28.00 | JPaul | i am rationally angry after waiting way too long to get this site rolled, just to have it bomb after launch because apparently no one checked to make sure it was actually working 100% before I rolled it |
| 23:29.06 | JPaul | instead an hour after launch it was discovered the core of the checkout process wasn't actually working, and based on my search of the logs, hasn't been for a while. |
| 23:29.41 | youtah | I can ping from 1.1.1.1 now |
| 23:35.12 | JPaul | sweet, did you hear back from anyone about what the problem was? |
