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| 05:29.32 | shalkie | So it looks like the same day Linux Journal announced it was closing so did MSDN Magazine |
| 08:10.40 | klys | funny~ |
| 11:57.50 | eightyeight | shalkie: really? |
| 12:00.14 | eightyeight | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/microsofts-msdn-magazine-for-developers-will-end-its-decades-long-run/ |
| 12:00.17 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 16:59.55 | jfindlay | hah |
| 16:59.55 | jfindlay | hih |
| 16:59.57 | jfindlay | huh |
| 17:00.08 | jfindlay | ~huhstats |
| 17:00.19 | jfindlay | ~nacho youtah |
| 17:00.20 | infobot | ACTION sprays scalding hot nacho cheese sauce all over youtah |
| 17:06.53 | JPaul | spangborn, https://www.ksl.com/article/46616209/why-many-employees-feel-devalued-even-in-booming-job-market |
| 17:10.10 | spangborn | JPaul: was just reading that - pretty much nailed it |
| 17:30.48 | shalkie | It starts with "Hoteling"... |
| 17:31.24 | jfindlay | I've never had a job that gave bonuses |
| 17:32.41 | JPaul | My company used to, until they let the "senior" developer screw up a multi-hundred (potentially million) dollar project |
| 17:32.54 | JPaul | we've been struggling ever since |
| 17:33.03 | JPaul | that was at least 3 years ago |
| 17:33.25 | JPaul | *multi-hundred thousand |
| 17:33.46 | jfindlay | or regular raises. It seems you have to get a new job to get a raise |
| 17:33.53 | JPaul | within the first quarter we lost almost $200k in profits |
| 17:33.54 | shalkie | Or promotions |
| 17:34.02 | jfindlay | an exercise that seems rewarding but also dangerous |
| 17:34.25 | jfindlay | no stability, no long term relationships of trust |
| 17:34.31 | shalkie | That seems to be what our industry has decided is the model to follow. Switch jobs every 2 to 3 years to get promotions and pay raises. |
| 17:35.17 | shalkie | My mother worked most of her career for a company that regularly terminated people within a couple years of retiring. |
| 17:35.19 | jfindlay | or if you're stuck in contractor purgatory, it could be as short as 2-3 months |
| 17:35.49 | jfindlay | which is perverse at least because you have to change health insurance as frequently |
| 17:36.32 | shalkie | It seems most companies view employees as an unfortunate necessity instead of an assest. |
| 17:36.34 | jfindlay | what gets me is that most contractor traffickers also want you to sign up for their junk 401k |
| 17:36.49 | jfindlay | what a joke |
| 17:37.05 | jfindlay | are you supposed to roll that yourself every 6-12 months? |
| 17:37.42 | jfindlay | my 2nd last contractor trafficker wanted me to consider the option to be paid by them loading a company 'charge card' |
| 17:37.49 | shalkie | jfindlay: purgatory or opportunity. *shrug* You incoroporate a small LLC and run it as a business. A little more overhead but it *potentially* means you can use it as a buffer to level things out like benefits and pay. |
| 17:37.58 | jfindlay | very disturbing. Why not just pay me WalMart Bucks? |
| 17:39.01 | jfindlay | shalkie: to get the good jobs, you have to submit to one or more of the traffickers. I've never heard of anyone contracting for themselves and making it big |
| 17:39.07 | jfindlay | or anyone making it big contracting |
| 17:43.23 | jfindlay | I guess Utah could be different, but I wasted months there trying to get anything before giving up and moving away for better opportunities |
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| 20:11.24 | JPaul | shalkie, one of our owners at least views the sysadmins as nothing more than an expense. We're still one guy short, and it took a lot of coaxing from my boss to get them to agree to hire a 3rd guy. |
| 20:12.06 | JPaul | They seem to have a hard time understanding that servers don't maintain them selves, and while developers can often bill their time to clients, the sysadmins have to be paid mainly from the hosting contracts |
| 20:22.53 | jfindlay | you should show them how much money they would be spending with one cloud monkey and paying for cloud resources at rate |
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| 21:24.52 | SunSparc | Hey all. I would love your devops feedback on dashboarding solutions: https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/cpzgdv/one_dashboard_to_rule_them_all/ |
| 21:29.18 | jfindlay | I've been using grafana |
| 21:32.47 | SunSparc | jfindlay: I have been playing with grafana. It is nice. Though I am also trying to dashboard things that are not "metrics" per se, at which point grafana, and others, falls short. |
| 21:42.53 | JPaul | I want something modern. Getting tired of Cacti |
| 21:46.50 | jfindlay | wasn't there something like mod_gnuplot for apache? |
| 21:47.40 | jfindlay | awstats |
| 21:47.46 | jfindlay | that's modern, right? |
| 21:48.11 | JPaul | awstats, right |
| 21:48.25 | JPaul | dr_evil_riiiiiiiiight.gif |
| 21:49.04 | JPaul | truthfully though it just works, which is nice |
| 21:49.26 | jfindlay | ~kronk |
| 21:49.26 | infobot | I hate being in the middle. |
| 21:57.32 | SunSparc | Good ol' cacti and awstats. :) |
| 22:02.03 | jfindlay | from the days before evil corp had a dashboard on everything online |
| 22:04.34 | SunSparc | Evil, Inc. |
| 22:05.10 | SunSparc | Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc. |
| 22:06.21 | JPaul | I cannot ever read that not as the jingle. |
| 22:06.29 | SunSparc | =) |
| 22:06.36 | SunSparc | Good marketing. |
| 22:07.45 | JPaul | "Behold, my graph-inator!! With this I will graph all of the Tri-State area!!" |
| 22:08.01 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:08.05 | JPaul | infobot needs Phineas and Ferb quotes. |
| 22:09.07 | SunSparc | ~ferb |
| 22:09.32 | SunSparc | Agreed |
| 22:12.16 | JPaul | https://phineasandferb.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_catchphrases_in_Phineas_and_Ferb |
| 22:13.16 | jfindlay | wikiquote |
| 22:14.41 | JPaul | "Linda: I see your point, Candace. No crazy person would scream at a post like that. I'll be in the dairy section if you want to come yell at some cheese or anything." |
| 22:17.32 | JPaul | https://phineasandferb.fandom.com/wiki/Memorable_Quotes |
| 22:17.52 | SunSparc | "Hey, where's Perry?" |
| 23:01.08 | SunSparc | ~chow |
| 23:02.42 | jfindlay | ~brain |
| 23:02.42 | infobot | The game does not conclude until the woman with the eating disorder ululates. |
| 23:03.07 | SunSparc | ~lol |
| 23:03.07 | infobot | lol is probably stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 23:03.14 | SunSparc | ~night |
| 23:03.14 | infobot | G'night sunsparc, get out of here. |
| 23:03.19 | SunSparc | :) |