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| 14:37.40 | klys | ~slashdor |
| 14:37.41 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 16:40.10 | frostyfrog | I think Shalkie was actually trying to make ice cream xD |
| 17:28.28 | jfindlay | man, I hate tortoise git |
| 17:29.50 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/manhattanna/status/1143278629058727936 |
| 17:29.52 | spangborn | Lmao this is great |
| 17:36.13 | jfindlay | and also jira |
| 17:36.20 | jfindlay | plenty of hate for them too |
| 17:36.23 | jfindlay | not left out |
| 17:36.32 | spangborn | Jira is okay |
| 17:36.39 | jfindlay | no, jira is evil |
| 17:36.42 | spangborn | When you have a sysadmin that can actually keep it up |
| 17:36.52 | jfindlay | well, I'll remain skeptical |
| 17:36.59 | keldwud | spangborn: or you could just use the cloud version |
| 17:37.06 | keldwud | save yourself the overhead |
| 17:37.07 | jfindlay | I'm not convinced |
| 17:37.22 | spangborn | keldwud: When you work in a highly-confidential environment thatâs not a great idea ;) |
| 17:37.37 | jfindlay | also, if you have to have a good sysadmin to keep it usable, in my opinion that's too much oracle in your development systems |
| 17:37.42 | jfindlay | 'oracle' |
| 17:38.05 | jfindlay | 'oracle is great, *IF* it's setup Just Right[TM]' |
| 17:38.27 | spangborn | Itâs more that we have our âenterprise ITâ running it and theyâre trash |
| 17:39.21 | spangborn | My favorite is that they pushed a group policy to developer machines that doesnât let us install Chrome extensions |
| 17:39.23 | jfindlay | jira is very condescending about how you have to adapt your team's workflows to their arbitrary opinions about the world |
| 17:39.33 | spangborn | And in order to get them, we have to ask them to whitelist them lol |
| 17:39.54 | spangborn | Jira works fine if youâre doing agile correctly |
| 17:39.55 | jfindlay | jira to the world: 'you're either with us or you're not doing agile!' |
| 17:40.00 | jfindlay | lol |
| 17:40.05 | jfindlay | 'agile' |
| 17:40.19 | jfindlay | there's no correct way to agile |
| 17:40.25 | jfindlay | that's the whole point |
| 17:40.56 | spangborn | I think youâre a bit too jaded for this conversation to proceed seriously |
| 17:41.04 | jfindlay | I seriously doubt any team anywhere in this world is doing 'agile' correctly |
| 17:41.43 | jfindlay | anyone who says differently has bought too much from jira |
| 17:43.19 | jfindlay | basically jira and agile are not complementary terms, unless you have a very rigid opinion of what agile means, which kind of contradicts the intent of that word |
| 17:52.56 | jfindlay | ~jira spangborn |
| 17:52.57 | infobot | ACTION humiliates spangborn about not agiling correctly |
| 17:53.02 | jfindlay | :-) |
| 17:53.11 | jfindlay | ~jira youtah_ |
| 17:53.11 | infobot | ACTION contorts youtah_'s development processes |
| 17:56.47 | jfindlay | spangborn: of course there are many wrong ways to agile, I just think jira's opinion on how agile is supposed to work often gets more in the way of things getting done than helping teams to structure their efforts effectively |
| 18:12.50 | keldwud | ~jira jfindlay |
| 18:12.50 | infobot | ACTION gets jfindlay to buy more jira |
| 18:12.54 | keldwud | heh |
| 18:33.10 | jfindlay | ~napoleon keldwud |
| 18:33.10 | infobot | ACTION takes keldwud's girlfriend to the mall for glamor shots |
| 18:44.32 | jfindlay | thus jira is an existential irony |
| 18:50.04 | aeryndunham | i just spent a month trying to get someone to create me a new Space in Confluence only to find out that at some point someone made me an admin and just didn't tell me |
| 18:55.02 | jfindlay | the power was within you this whole time |
| 18:55.30 | jfindlay | unleash your destiny! or whatever they say in the hero movies |
| 18:58.20 | aeryndunham | i know right |
| 18:58.41 | jfindlay | uknorite |
| 19:20.34 | keldwud | aeryndunham: on that same note, it took us two months to find the "create a new space" button |
| 19:20.40 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 19:20.46 | keldwud | up in the top right hand corner |
| 19:20.56 | keldwud | and only available from a single view |
| 19:21.04 | keldwud | creating a new space isn't available from any other view |
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| 19:54.32 | youtah | frostyfrog! |
| 19:54.34 | youtah | you're in here |
| 19:54.44 | youtah | Brian Sump and I were wondering what happened to you! |
| 19:54.50 | youtah | Glad to see you online |
| 19:55.13 | keldwud | youtah: yeah apparently we work together |
| 19:55.28 | youtah | LOL |
| 19:55.32 | keldwud | we didn't realize til after I had been here for a few months |
| 19:55.41 | youtah | Where at again? |
| 19:55.45 | keldwud | when he saw my screen name in discord |
| 19:55.51 | keldwud | youtah: I'm not doxxing my co-worker :-p |
| 19:56.04 | youtah | This only means one thing keldwud ... you have to get your ham radio license now |
| 19:56.16 | spangborn | No ham radio |
| 19:56.19 | spangborn | Bacon radio only |
| 19:57.28 | keldwud | true, I was thinking about it |
| 19:57.55 | youtah | spangborn is getting his license |
| 19:58.08 | youtah | so he can record where he rides his bike using APRS |
| 19:58.11 | spangborn | I thought about it |
| 19:58.17 | spangborn | But I havenât actually done anything yet |
| 19:58.47 | th3ph3d | aprs is pretty cool. |
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