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| 15:20.08 | spangborn | Another shooting downtown? Yikes |
| 15:33.50 | JPaul | jfindlay, root certs are the ultimate authority cert in a chain, the CA certs generally are the intermediate certs signed with the root cert, and then the CA certs sign the cert for your domain. |
| 15:34.16 | JPaul | so where to put it depends on what you are doing. |
| 15:35.15 | JPaul | and which Linux system you are using |
| 15:35.41 | BigBen212 | spangborn: when, just now ? |
| 15:35.59 | spangborn | This morning, apparently |
| 15:36.04 | spangborn | Just outside of Trolley |
| 15:36.10 | BigBen212 | trolley again ? |
| 15:36.14 | BigBen212 | argh |
| 15:36.22 | spangborn | Yeah, shots fired, and then the suspect fled in a vehicle. |
| 15:36.24 | spangborn | No more details yet. |
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| 15:39.18 | BigBen212 | did you hear about the guy getting shot at a Waffle House, not here in utah |
| 15:40.39 | BigBen212 | https://abc7ny.com/man-killed-at-waffle-house-while-paying-for-meals-handing-out-cash/5239968/ ... that one is a weird story, couldn't believe it when I read it yesterday |
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| 16:35.27 | th3ph3d | There's no waffle houses in Utah :( |
| 16:36.15 | th3ph3d | has thought about franchising a Waffle House in Utah. |
| 16:37.40 | keldwud | wait, IHOPs aren't waffle houses? |
| 16:42.18 | BigBen212 | th3ph3d: I haven't been there, but doesn't the "Belgian Waffle & Omelet Inn" in Midvale count as a waffle house too? |
| 16:42.25 | BigBen212 | or is "Waffle House" actually a brand? |
| 16:43.03 | BigBen212 | oh wow ... I don't get out much :) |
| 16:43.10 | BigBen212 | https://locations.wafflehouse.com/ |
| 16:43.48 | th3ph3d | It was once described as a public restroom that sells waffles. |
| 16:44.04 | BigBen212 | haha, so I didn't miss much, I guess |
| 16:44.17 | th3ph3d | The food's cheap and halfway decent, but going there and peoplewatching at 3 am is awesome. |
| 16:44.47 | th3ph3d | You can turn their hashbrowns into a meal when you get them with all the toppings. |
| 16:44.48 | BigBen212 | I'm not 20 anymore. Being up and watching *anything* at 3am is a challenge. |
| 16:50.02 | aeryndunham | I think there's a Waffle House near me but I have never gone; I know they are famous for staying open as long as possible during storms and thigns, even if that means a super limited menu |
| 17:22.35 | th3ph3d | There's one next to the ABQ airport. So I'll stop by on my way in or out of town sometimes. |
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| 18:11.05 | shalkie | keldwud and BigBen212 The Waffle House is a chain that is lower on the scale of things compared to IHOP and/or The Belgian Waffle. |
| 18:11.20 | shalkie | mmmmm Belgian Waffle Garbage Hash... |
| 18:11.50 | shalkie | With the house made ranch and avacodo and over easy runny eggs. |
| 18:11.57 | shalkie | I should go there if I am down this far. |
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| 18:19.03 | jsmith | shalkie: You had me at "Belgian Waffle"... |
| 18:19.41 | jsmith | aeryndunham: If you've never been to Waffle House, you should try it. I recommend the "All Star Special", but it'll probably take two people to eat it all. |
| 18:19.48 | jsmith | aeryndunham: (Unless, of course, you're me) |
| 18:19.51 | aeryndunham | Hah |
| 18:20.27 | jsmith | aeryndunham: Waffle, two eggs, bacon or sausage, hashbrowns or grits, and toast... |
| 18:26.13 | shalkie | Well jsmith if you stopped hiding then we could all go get some in the evening. |
| 18:26.34 | jsmith | I'm not hiding... I'm just traveling too much for work |
| 18:26.54 | jsmith | Have been on the road almost every week for the past couple of months |
| 18:27.11 | jsmith | Finally getting to spend an entire week at home this week :-) |
| 18:27.50 | shalkie | Ugh, that is a tough schedule. |
| 18:30.21 | shalkie | I remember doing that much sequential travel. Tough tough tough. |
| 18:31.10 | aeryndunham | I am always up for going for breakfast food with anyone at any time :p |
| 18:31.58 | aeryndunham | But nobody else lives in Miami so |
| 18:46.20 | shalkie | Sounds like it is time for a Road Trip! |
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| 19:49.05 | spangborn | Well shit |
| 19:49.22 | BigBen212 | where? |
| 19:49.30 | spangborn | Work is forcing our Smithfield office folks to relocate to SLC or take severance and leave |
| 19:49.50 | spangborn | Probably gonna lose some talented folks in that move |
| 19:50.38 | BigBen212 | as in the smithfield that's north of Logan ? |
| 19:50.46 | spangborn | Smithfield RI |
| 19:50.50 | BigBen212 | ooooh |
| 19:50.57 | jlp_znc | wow, that's a major relocation |
| 19:51.04 | spangborn | Yep |
| 19:51.13 | spangborn | Definitely giving me some anxiety |
| 19:51.19 | BigBen212 | yikes, if I lived in RI and ha da house and everything there, Utah would definitely not be on my list of destinations :) |
| 19:51.51 | spangborn | Some of our most experienced people are back there too |
| 19:51.54 | spangborn | So this could hurt |
| 19:52.17 | BigBen212 | friend of mine had this happen to him twice, he quit with two employers over it |
| 19:52.37 | BigBen212 | first was EADS in Munich and they told him to relocate to a different office more than hour away |
| 19:52.39 | spangborn | Which is funny, because my dad who lives in SLC got given this option, but to move to Smithfield years ago |
| 19:52.40 | BigBen212 | he quit there |
| 19:52.51 | spangborn | But a different group in the company |
| 19:53.22 | BigBen212 | other one was after he moved to Wisconsin, his employer told him that he needed to move to Pennsylvania and he quit there too |
| 19:53.29 | spangborn | LOL jeez |
| 19:53.57 | BigBen212 | what's your company? |
| 19:54.16 | spangborn | Fidelity Investments |
| 19:54.49 | BigBen212 | oh, that's a large place. They've got offices all over, right? |
| 19:55.09 | spangborn | Yeah. SLC, American Fork, Boston, Smithfield, Westlake, Omaha, Raleigh |
| 19:55.10 | BigBen212 | are they closing stuff down in RI or are they just "restructuring" |
| 19:55.20 | spangborn | I think it might just be my *group* but Iâm not sure |
| 19:55.32 | spangborn | Full announcement hasnât happened yet |
| 19:57.15 | BigBen212 | there's a reason I couldn't run a company like that, those kind of decisions just wouldn't make any sense to me |
| 19:57.36 | BigBen212 | even if some accountant says that they are saving money by doing that |
| 19:58.05 | BigBen212 | but with severence and potentially losing highly qualified people? |
| 20:01.28 | BigBen212 | s/severence/severance/ |
| 20:04.29 | jlp_znc | you know what the bean counters say... |
| 20:04.33 | jlp_znc | "beans are important" |
| 20:05.33 | jlp_znc | my first company, we were essentially out of money. scrambling to make payroll each month. an investor offered to buy in if he became the president. my boss (the original owner/founder) agreed. |
| 20:05.51 | jlp_znc | the new president only had experience in food service companies (like restaurants) |
| 20:06.14 | jlp_znc | somehow he got the notion that programmers were like waiters. if one quit, there was always a line of them at the door waiting to get hired. |
| 20:06.41 | jlp_znc | he didn't understand the institutional knowledge that someone who had been there two to five years had. |
| 20:06.54 | jlp_znc | within six months, the company was out of business. poof. gone. |
| 20:07.13 | jlp_znc | fortunately, I and all of the other developers had already left by that time. |
| 20:07.18 | BigBen212 | haha, "programmers like waiters" is probably what the State as an employer is doing wrong |
| 20:07.37 | jlp_znc | they had, of course, hired new guys to replace us, but ... well, you know how that goes. |
| 20:07.45 | BigBen212 | they are still paying what they paid when they threatened furlughs after the 2008 crash |
| 20:08.05 | BigBen212 | and now nobody wants to start there for ~$30/hr |
| 20:08.28 | jlp_znc | so they end up with the guys who can't program their way out of a paper bag |
| 20:08.49 | jlp_znc | but who they can't fire because they can't replace them. |
| 20:09.00 | jlp_znc | the perils of government work. |
| 20:09.21 | BigBen212 | the kind of people who run two individual sql queries and then join the results using some magic in arrays in their front end ? |
| 20:09.51 | spangborn | Well, we already have some of those |
| 20:10.06 | spangborn | The fact that Iâve been having to handhold a senior software engineer for the last 6 months is pretty sad |
| 20:10.11 | BigBen212 | that's the guy that I replaced at my current job :) |
| 20:10.25 | spangborn | Someone thatâs worked here for 4 years, mind you |
| 20:12.36 | BigBen212 | last year, when I started here, my boss also hired a "jr developer" and that was a bit of an issue |
| 20:12.58 | BigBen212 | eventually that guy just walked out on us in December, no notice, no nothing |
| 20:13.37 | BigBen212 | our CEO thought it was a good idea to hire him because he was cheap |
| 20:14.05 | BigBen212 | in the end I had to do my job and help him with his job |
| 20:14.37 | jlp_znc | that's why when you find a place with a decent management, you tend to stick there for a while. |
| 21:02.41 | jfindlay | does anyone know what this error means: "tcpdump: NFLOG link-layer type filtering not implemented"? |
| 21:03.43 | jfindlay | freaking redhat |
| 21:04.01 | jfindlay | need to specify the interface |
| 21:12.36 | JPaul | are you guys talking about my company? |
| 21:24.39 | jfindlay | r u at ibm? |
| 21:25.13 | jfindlay | redhat's sellout |
| 21:25.15 | jlp_znc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.28 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: https://ae7.st/pb/?ca0f40ac07056ac2#e/rVa/hs3MxPSYbUumU71viLP5ZMiUSbnVL5DS96fLw= |
| 21:26.45 | jfindlay | first 2 ifaces are some pseudo thingies |
| 21:26.58 | jfindlay | tcpdump doesn't know about them |
| 21:27.22 | jlp_znc | ahh, net filter stuff |
| 21:27.24 | jfindlay | so I just used `tcpdump -i any` |
| 21:27.45 | jlp_znc | we used that at raytheon for traffic shaping ... to limit bandwidth consumed by our appliance |
| 22:05.17 | jfindlay | eightyeight: I wrote my first systemd service file |
| 22:05.36 | jfindlay | it was awesome |
| 22:17.09 | eightyeight | heh. nice |
| 22:20.23 | jfindlay | all I had to do was file.managed /etc/systemd/system/my.service and then service.runnig it |
| 22:33.42 | JPaul | using salt? |
| 22:36.33 | jfindlay | true |
| 22:39.07 | JPaul | nice. i started using salt a few years ago. It was a huge step up from the copy/paste from the wiki method they were using at my work before. |
| 22:40.01 | jlp_znc | we are using chef here and everyone hates it. I am planning on rolling out salt with our new CI/CD pipeline later this year. |
| 22:40.07 | jlp_znc | so expect a lot of salt questions :D |
| 22:41.29 | JPaul | I can try to answer them. I'm still trying to figure out pillars, but I might be having issues with that mainly due to how our environment is structured |
| 22:41.43 | JPaul | I think it's too chopped up to use pillars effectively. |
| 22:42.43 | jfindlay | pillar is the one huge antifeature of salt |
| 22:43.18 | jfindlay | because the master has to compute the pillar for each minion, thus defeating the scale (otherwise known as the puppet problem) |
| 22:43.37 | jfindlay | puppet's solution is to top load a freak ton of compute at the master cluster |
| 22:44.05 | jfindlay | pillar also wasn't originally designed by Tom |
| 22:44.56 | jfindlay | other people use things like sdb or salt mine or minionfs for state data |
| 22:45.09 | JPaul | Seems like everyone uses it, but it only seems to be effective for homogenous environments. We have 50 some odd different clients in our datacenter, so it's really hard to try to use something that centralized |
| 22:45.18 | JPaul | I ahven't heard of any of those |
| 22:45.27 | jfindlay | if you need secret storage (which is what pillar was originally designed for) you're better off using a real secret store |
| 22:45.42 | JPaul | like what? |
| 22:45.48 | jfindlay | vault |
| 22:46.03 | jfindlay | or whatever, I've never used vault |
| 22:46.35 | jfindlay | I'm thinking about using keepassxc over the python api |
| 22:46.54 | JPaul | interesting |
| 22:47.28 | jfindlay | over keepassxc's api. I'm not sure how I'll integrate it into salt yet |
| 22:47.34 | jfindlay | but salt has many plugin layers |
| 22:47.41 | JPaul | I'll look at that later. Right now I'm having the joy of rebuilding a percona DB cluster as part of a fail-back test. |
| 22:47.50 | jfindlay | and the plugin modules are easy to write |
| 22:48.53 | jfindlay | I'm thinking of writing a pillar provider that operates at the minion level, local_pillar, that server data the same way that state config data is served |
| 22:49.00 | jfindlay | minions select their own pillar |
| 22:49.59 | jfindlay | also I think formulas took the pillar feature and bundled it into a eclectic DSL that compounds the problem |
| 22:51.19 | jfindlay | also formulas exemplify the framework paradox: trying to provide everything for everyone while delivering nothing to nobody |
| 22:51.30 | jfindlay | this concludes opinions from jfindlay |
| 22:52.49 | jfindlay | JPaul: at least you're testing stuff :-) |
| 22:54.55 | JPaul | yes, at 5pm, when I have somewhere to be at 6pm. It's amazing |
| 22:55.18 | JPaul | I think I am getting lucky though and it's going smoothly |
| 22:57.02 | JPaul | this is the first time doing this testing, so I'm not sure what to expect |
| 23:02.13 | JPaul | got the cluster up OK, now trying the file sync. so far so good. |
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| 23:43.16 | JPaul | yay, my test succeed this time. |