| 00:10.15 | joshh | can rsync work? |
| 00:10.27 | joshh | never done anything rpm mirror related |
| 00:13.56 | joshh | ugh i hate "jay-sun" |
| 00:14.00 | joshh | and named |
| 00:14.04 | joshh | and day-mun |
| 00:14.15 | joshh | and i would hate lock-8 too |
| 00:14.37 | joshh | also there are right and wrong ways to pronounce ubuntu |
| 00:22.54 | romanovic | agree except for "jay-sun". I assume people who say "jay-SAHHHN" are the same ones who say "oregAHHHN", "jargAHHHN", "crayAHHHN" |
| 00:24.20 | romanovic | doesn't anger me or anything. I just say "json" like "jason" and maintain that is a reasonable pronunciation |
| 00:25.21 | BigBen212 | like the fight of gif and gif |
| 00:26.40 | joshh | but the o stands for object |
| 00:27.02 | joshh | and like 90% of people say it j-saahhn |
| 00:27.12 | joshh | and most of those don't say oregaaahn |
| 00:27.15 | joshh | which i also loathe |
| 00:28.21 | joshh | jif is idiotic because the g stands for graphics |
| 00:28.23 | romanovic | joshh: It may be as high as 90%, but I think they're likely all in the US, and in certain parts |
| 00:28.41 | joshh | acronym/initialism pronunciation should always take the words themselves into account |
| 00:29.44 | joshh | people would have to willingly convince themselves to believe that jif is a correct way to pronounce gif, against all rational thinking |
| 00:31.07 | romanovic | jrafics interchange format |
| 00:31.20 | joshh | lol |
| 00:32.51 | joshh | what gets me is when people make up pronunciations for unpronounceable acronyms |
| 00:33.08 | joshh | like "ackle" for acl, "tickle" for tcl, etc |
| 00:33.19 | joshh | though tickle might actually be official, i don't know |
| 00:33.30 | BigBen212 | sequel for SQL ... I like it |
| 00:33.46 | joshh | some people i work with prounce ctl, as in a tool named "somethingctl", as "cuttle" |
| 00:34.11 | joshh | sequel is almost acceptable at this point unfortunately |
| 00:34.18 | joshh | i even have given in and say it sometimes |
| 00:34.30 | BigBen212 | haha, I think you're too strict about that |
| 00:34.32 | romanovic | gif creators are wrong about "gif" pronunciation. douglas crockford inventor of json is correct about "json" pronunciation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhVdWQWKRqM |
| 00:34.42 | joshh | its one of those things that gets legitimized due to popular usage, like nucular |
| 00:34.55 | BigBen212 | or aluminum |
| 00:35.10 | joshh | vs aluminium |
| 00:35.11 | joshh | ? |
| 00:35.14 | BigBen212 | yes right |
| 00:35.18 | BigBen212 | you americans :) |
| 00:35.24 | joshh | i thought that was a USA vs other english speakers thing |
| 00:35.28 | joshh | ya |
| 00:35.29 | BigBen212 | right |
| 00:36.25 | romanovic | tomorrow: tabs v spaces |
| 00:36.38 | BigBen212 | hah |
| 00:36.51 | joshh | spaces for the repo, tabs for editors if people want it |
| 00:36.56 | joshh | that one is mostly solved |
| 00:37.16 | joshh | except for things like golang or linux where it's the other way around |
| 00:39.52 | BigBen212 | how about lines exceeding 80 characters? joshh , you must have a preference there too, right? |
| 00:40.07 | joshh | basically tabs are easier to navigate, spaces are easier to read, as long as there are less than 8 |
| 00:40.16 | joshh | i prefer something like 120 chars |
| 00:40.29 | joshh | so you either need to configure a linter for that, or turn off the length rule |
| 00:40.42 | BigBen212 | 120? that's way too much |
| 00:40.50 | joshh | i don't care too much about long lines in code, but i dislike them in emails and commit messages etc |
| 00:41.03 | joshh | but long lines in code should be avoided if possible |
| 00:41.10 | joshh | but if a string is huge or something, its ok |
| 00:42.46 | joshh | it seems like most of my long lines are just function declarations with several params and a return value or two |
| 00:42.51 | joshh | and those are annoying to break up |
| 00:46.23 | joshh | or calling something with a lot of params while nested |
| 00:46.31 | joshh | that might be more common |
| 00:46.53 | joshh | anyway i agree 120 is on the long side, but 80 is definitely too short for code |
| 00:47.06 | joshh | though it is good for terminal output |
| 00:50.54 | BigBen212 | maybe I'm just too old-school, but I sometimes still print stuff :) |
| 00:50.58 | BigBen212 | that's why the 80 |
| 00:51.18 | joshh | ya i like it when stuff fits into a new terminal that i haven't bothered resizing |
| 00:53.11 | BigBen212 | Good night all. |
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| 21:55.35 | jlp_znc | My son got a couple of inches of snow last night. They live in Las Vegas. |
| 22:18.36 | JPaul | so it was gone by this morning? |
| 22:19.12 | BigBen212 | probably melted with the heat from all the lights in Vegas |
| 22:20.25 | jlp_znc | still had an inch today |
| 22:20.36 | jlp_znc | they built a snowman about 18 inches tall :D |
| 22:20.51 | JPaul | it's the snowpocalypse |
| 22:21.44 | jlp_znc | that's what my daughter-in-law was thinking |
| 22:22.00 | jlp_znc | her: "is it still called snow when the flakes are that big?" |
| 22:22.11 | jlp_znc | him: "yeah, it's like hail is called hail no matter how big it gets" |
| 22:36.57 | JPaul | joshh, the last kid I had here would try making acronyms into words as well, it was maddening. |
| 22:37.23 | JPaul | he also pronounced Debian as "Dee-bian" |
| 22:37.58 | JPaul | Even after explaining to him where the name came from, he still pronounced it that way |
| 22:38.21 | JPaul | bloody kids these days |
| 22:46.26 | jfindlay | youbuntwo |
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| 22:51.13 | jfindlay | sue-doe |
| 22:51.49 | jfindlay | pseudo for sudo |
| 22:51.52 | jfindlay | that one bugs me |
| 22:55.38 | aeryndunham | goes to look up the proper pronunciation of Debian since she's clearly, uh, saying it wrong :p |
| 22:57.11 | aeryndunham | debra and ian oh wow I hate it lol |
| 22:57.23 | aeryndunham | That's like the town I live in.... Doral... named by Doris and Alfred |
| 23:00.40 | JPaul | aeryndunham, you say it as dee-bee-an? |
| 23:01.06 | aeryndunham | I did, but that's just... I guess the first thing that came into my head when I first saw it. No other reason. |
| 23:02.36 | JPaul | I don't know who you are, but you are dead to me now |
| 23:02.41 | aeryndunham | It's one of those things that I guess I've never heard said outloud |
| 23:02.53 | aeryndunham | I mean, now that I know, I will amend my pronunciation |
| 23:02.58 | JPaul | lol |
| 23:03.03 | aeryndunham | It's like the first time I heard someone say nginx |
| 23:03.22 | JPaul | good. I just could not get that kid to change how he said it, drove me nuts. |
| 23:03.25 | jfindlay | try saying lighttpd |
| 23:03.39 | JPaul | jfindlay, stuff like that is just mean |
| 23:03.44 | jfindlay | lol |
| 23:03.44 | aeryndunham | Oh I know that one is something ridiculous, I've been to their website before |
| 23:04.30 | JPaul | I say nginx as engine-x. No idea if it's right or not. |
| 23:04.36 | aeryndunham | No, I think that's right |
| 23:04.51 | aeryndunham | I just never made the 'engine' connection in my head and was saying it, like..... en-ginx |
| 23:04.54 | JPaul | n-gin-x just sounds dumb |
| 23:05.01 | aeryndunham | which is obviousy wrong, in retrospect |
| 23:05.19 | JPaul | g as in gif or g as in gif? |
| 23:05.33 | aeryndunham | g as in golf |
| 23:05.39 | jfindlay | as in joogle |
| 23:06.56 | aeryndunham | WOW I'm still at work and I am super annoyed about it |
| 23:07.08 | aeryndunham | but also, wtf lighttpd. wtf. |
| 23:07.13 | JPaul | I have another hour left |
| 23:07.21 | aeryndunham | I should have left an hour ago |
| 23:07.22 | JPaul | then I probably get to spend another hour after that |
| 23:08.02 | JPaul | jfindlay, sudo is sue-doe for me. I hear others say sue-doo and I get it but it sounds weird |
| 23:08.28 | aeryndunham | sue-doe here too. Is it supposed to be -doo? |
| 23:08.28 | jfindlay | I say s-u-do |
| 23:08.42 | JPaul | that just takes too long |
| 23:09.22 | JPaul | aeryndunham, it's a concatenation of for "su" (switch user) and "do" |
| 23:09.32 | JPaul | so doo I guess is more correct |
| 23:09.39 | aeryndunham | ugh, I'm not changing that one |
| 23:09.51 | JPaul | yeah, that one is fine i think to say as sue-doo |
| 23:10.25 | JPaul | and frankly (j)if is fine for gif, creator(s) can pound sand on that one too) |
| 23:10.58 | JPaul | saying it with a hard g sounds the same to me as someone trying to say ackle for acl |
| 23:11.16 | aeryndunham | the people who created .gif literally made peanut butter puns in the early days, so jif is definitely acceptable |
| 23:12.42 | aeryndunham | i wanna gooooo |
| 23:12.47 | aeryndunham | waiting for someone though :( |
| 23:13.22 | jfindlay | pseudo just sounds stupid to me |
| 23:13.24 | JPaul | the kid I was talking about earlier also said ackle. He did that with a few other acronyms as well. It was painful to my soul to listen to |
| 23:13.43 | JPaul | s-u-do sounds pedantic to me :-D |
| 23:14.08 | jfindlay | how do you pronounce /etc? |
| 23:14.17 | JPaul | et-see |
| 23:14.23 | jfindlay | etsy |
| 23:14.30 | JPaul | as in et(s)etera |
| 23:15.01 | jfindlay | is /etcetera too pedantic JPaul? |
| 23:15.29 | jfindlay | ~horse etcetera |
| 23:15.30 | infobot | http://etcetera.horse/ |
| 23:15.32 | JPaul | it's too long |
| 23:15.42 | jfindlay | obnoxiously so |
| 23:17.06 | aeryndunham | ee-tee-cee |
| 23:18.34 | JPaul | no, just not |
| 23:18.41 | JPaul | s/not/no/ |
| 23:18.57 | aeryndunham | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 23:19.25 | JPaul | it really is short for etcetera, so... |
| 23:19.52 | JPaul | lib = libraries |
| 23:20.00 | JPaul | var = variable |
| 23:20.04 | JPaul | usr = user |
| 23:20.19 | JPaul | and so on |
| 23:22.21 | aeryndunham | I get that |
| 23:22.37 | aeryndunham | These are also just things whose pronunciations only live inside my head, I never SAY these things |
| 23:22.47 | aeryndunham | And I don't hear other people say them |
| 23:22.54 | JPaul | I get mad about /var because too many developers abuse it and use it for configs and static files |