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| 09:42.55 | thin | Ah, shit. |
| 09:43.25 | thin | I was in here quite some time ago and asked for recommendations for mexican restaurants. Does anyone have the logs? |
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| 15:25.06 | keldwud | thin: which county? |
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| 15:45.52 | spangborn | [2018-10-14T01:27:54.712Z] <spangborn> lol La Frontera isn't higher end |
| 15:45.52 | spangborn | [2018-10-14T01:30:21.643Z] <spangborn> Red Iguana, Rico Cocina, Chile-Tepin |
| 15:45.52 | spangborn | [2018-10-14T01:30:34.173Z] <spangborn> Highly recommend Rico Cocina |
| 15:53.29 | spangborn | thin: ^ |
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| 16:25.22 | keldwud | I second the red iguana |
| 16:25.52 | keldwud | I've never been to rio grande but I heard that's also decent and always took a lot of tourists there when I drove a cab |
| 16:39.36 | spangborn | You were a cabbie? |
| 16:39.42 | spangborn | That had to heave been an interesting experience |
| 16:39.47 | spangborn | *have been |
| 16:56.44 | Migs | probably not much different than being an Uber driver |
| 17:13.04 | keldwud | way different than being an uber driver imo |
| 17:13.10 | keldwud | although I've never been an uber driver |
| 17:13.26 | keldwud | being a taxi driver is like having an affair with the city. a dirty sordid affair |
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| 18:09.37 | programmerq | advent of code. I did the first one! |
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| 18:12.38 | RyanE | nice. |
| 18:12.56 | RyanE | I'm "caught up". |
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| 18:33.33 | keldwud | ok so now that I have my backups working through bareos to tapes in an autochanger. do I enable compression at the autoloader / tape layer or at the bareos layer. the autochanger says that it supports compression |
| 18:46.35 | SunSparc | programmerq: Way to go! |
| 18:48.32 | SunSparc | If any of you are interested in competing for prizes, SmartyStreets is going a private leaderboard for the Advent of Code this year: https://twitter.com/smartystreets/status/1069784617224495104 |
| 18:51.42 | jlp_znc | keldwud: I'd do the compression at the bareos layer... you want it to know how much data it is putting on the tape so it doesn't give up early. if the drive is doing the compression, it will probably take more than 6TB per tape. |
| 18:53.02 | programmerq | I never have enough time to do more than the first few challenges. |
| 19:00.05 | aeryndunham | Yet another year where I do not know enough programming to do AoC |
| 19:01.37 | aeryndunham | I am writing some documentation today and I need to explain how to bring up the debug screen on these panels and it's such a funny motion that I ~cannot~ figure it out haha |
| 19:01.43 | keldwud | jlp_znc: good call |
| 19:02.14 | keldwud | if I did at the hardware layer, I'd then have to change my volume sizes to the compressed capacity of the tapes |
| 19:02.18 | keldwud | and that feels dangerous |
| 19:02.29 | keldwud | but only cuz I'm new to it all |
| 19:02.34 | keldwud | probably ok overall |
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| 19:23.25 | jlp_znc | I wouldn't chance it. sure, the compression in hardware might be faster/better, but I like the consistency more. |
| 19:23.55 | jlp_znc | figure your backup machine is *not* going to be cpu bound. |
| 19:26.59 | keldwud | well I've started backing up an 8TB file. 900 GB written so far |
| 19:27.15 | keldwud | at 700MB/s I should see it complete in a couple more hours |
| 19:27.17 | spangborn | RIP |
| 19:27.29 | spangborn | Hope it doesn't corrupt |
| 19:27.41 | keldwud | before the end of the day at least, so I can finally delete the original and free up disk space to enable backups again |
| 19:28.00 | keldwud | well it's tape, so my confidence is high that it won't corrupt |
| 19:28.34 | jlp_znc | I think I have some 9-track tapes laying around that all the bits fell off of 20 years ago. :D |
| 19:35.54 | SunSparc | is tape really still a thing? |
| 19:37.14 | aeryndunham | they still use it on cruise ships at least |
| 19:37.24 | aeryndunham | in our data centers |
| 19:37.45 | SunSparc | programmerq, aeryndunham: I find AoC a good opportunity to enhance my programming skills and perhaps identify what I still need to work on. |
| 19:37.55 | SunSparc | aeryndunham: Really? That is crazy? |
| 19:38.04 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I think it would if I knew a little but more. I really haven't done much in the past year. |
| 19:38.06 | SunSparc | Tape is so 1970's. |
| 19:38.08 | keldwud | why wouldn't tape be a thing? |
| 19:38.16 | keldwud | it has HUGE storage potential |
| 19:38.22 | keldwud | and for super cheap |
| 19:38.30 | keldwud | if you need cold storage, tape is the way to go |
| 19:38.31 | keldwud | imo |
| 19:39.18 | keldwud | there are tons of places where tape is still the best solution for storage and archiving |
| 19:39.22 | SunSparc | Really? I suppose. I honestly have not had to deal with it myself. So I defer. |
| 19:39.55 | keldwud | it's gonna be at least another 10 years before other forms of storage are cheap or reliable or fast enough to compare. I mean, I could be wrong, but that's the way I view it |
| 19:40.00 | SunSparc | My experience with tape is only with audio and video. :D |
| 19:40.20 | programmerq | I read up on tape again recently-- it's not quite cheap enough for me to get into it for my homelab |
| 19:40.32 | keldwud | https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/why-the-future-of-data-storage-is-still-magnetic-tape |
| 19:40.34 | programmerq | but the current generation, lto8, is pretty impressive. 12tb raw |
| 19:40.49 | programmerq | lto9 expected to double that |
| 19:40.50 | keldwud | yeah I'm using LTO7 right now. that's 6TB raw |
| 19:42.00 | keldwud | with 16 of those in a single unit, I've got 96 TB uncompressed for $1120 |
| 19:42.13 | keldwud | without having to change media |
| 19:42.43 | keldwud | if we do compression, we get 200 - 250 TB for just over a thousand bucks |
| 19:42.44 | programmerq | it'd be fun to get into some tape backups. Would be nice to ship a box of tapes to family members as offsite backups. |
| 19:42.46 | keldwud | I think that's pretty impressive |
| 19:42.58 | keldwud | plus, the transfer speeds are > 700MB/s |
| 19:43.26 | keldwud | programmerq: I'd be happy to share everything I've learned over the last week if you decide you want to get into it |
| 19:43.54 | programmerq | probably not-- the next $1k I spend on homelab will be a new esxi server. |
| 19:44.13 | programmerq | and I just dropped $1500 on spinning drives, so it'll be a while. |
| 19:45.35 | keldwud | SunSparc: my requirement is 7 years of data for HIPPA, so tape is the best solution. anything else wouldn't scale to the levels needed for that much storage for that long |
| 19:46.52 | SunSparc | keldwud: Darn HIPPA requirements. :) |
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| 21:00.14 | thin | spangborn: Thanks, mate. |
| 21:00.17 | thin | keldwud: You still around? |
| 21:00.23 | thin | When were you driving cab? |
| 21:00.27 | keldwud | yeah I'm around |
| 21:00.45 | keldwud | was a couple years from 2005 - 2007 |
| 21:00.51 | keldwud | and then a couple more in 2008ish |
| 21:00.56 | keldwud | or one more |
| 21:00.58 | keldwud | I can't remember |
| 21:01.23 | keldwud | so all of my restaurant data is pretty outdated, but I still have current information since I lived downtown and like to go out a lot |
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| 22:47.26 | keldwud | what's the word on security metrics? anybody have any experience with them? |