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| 05:04.24 | romanovic | I have reached that point left in the night where I still have work to do, but can't focus on text smaller than about 18pt |
| 05:04.56 | romanovic | doesn't even know what he is typing in his irc window with 12pt. assumes his touch typing is reliable |
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| 14:16.14 | frostyfrog | It is. |
| 14:18.27 | frostyfrog | romanovic: Just like myself, your touch typing is impeccable. :3 TBH, I think that it's better than my touch tyoing skills. Especially since there are many times where I hit the off by one bug. |
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| 20:35.38 | youtah | Helpful hint we just found out. The latest version of Google Chrome (68) has autocompletion in the Developer Console. |
| 20:36.28 | spangborn | hasn't it always? |
| 20:36.49 | spangborn | Also that's not even close to the latest |
| 20:36.55 | spangborn | Chrome is up to 69 |
| 20:37.04 | spangborn | Version 69.0.3497.100 (Official Build) (64-bit) |
| 20:38.53 | youtah | I am running 67 |
| 20:38.56 | youtah | and it has no auto complete |
| 20:39.02 | youtah | my laptop has 68 |
| 20:39.04 | youtah | it has auto complete |
| 20:39.19 | youtah | Release notes state they added it in 68 |
| 20:39.24 | youtah | I guess 69 is the bleeding edge |
| 20:39.29 | spangborn | So you're like two versions behind |
| 20:39.38 | spangborn | This is regular Chrome release |
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| 20:43.38 | BigBen212 | you sure it didn't already have it when using tab to do the autocomplete ? |
| 20:44.40 | youtah | https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/05/devtools#autocomplete |
| 20:44.53 | youtah | 100% sure |
| 20:45.27 | youtah | "Chrome 68 ships with a few new Console features related to autocompletion and previewing." |
| 20:46.22 | youtah | so before if I did something like $('input#firstname'). |
| 20:46.25 | youtah | it wouldn't show me anything |
| 20:46.39 | youtah | but now adding the ., it gives me an entire list of available functions |
| 20:47.01 | youtah | the function I happened to be looking for at the time was .checkValidity() |
| 20:48.05 | BigBen212 | hmmm, maybe I've just been using Firebug all this time and didn't even notice that Chrome Dev Tools didn't have the autocomplete |
| 20:48.14 | youtah | lol |
| 20:48.34 | youtah | it had some XPATH auto completion but not for JavaScript |
| 20:50.02 | youtah | so if I typed $x('//form') ..... it would have suggested sub elements with in form |
| 21:43.57 | youtah | I can't be the only one in Utah going to the Selenium Conference, am I? |
| 21:44.14 | youtah | spangborn, you need to go |
| 21:46.08 | romanovic | I'd like to send all of our QA "engineers" but that's above my paygrade |
| 21:46.56 | youtah | lol |
| 21:47.20 | romanovic | I've been working for a decade as a developer, and most of that time with dedicated QA personnel on my team. Every employer's intent was that the QA engineers would do engineering |
| 21:48.07 | romanovic | but to date, basically 0% of them have. 100% of test automation and behavior driven development has been an initiative from the development teams directly, because nobody else is picking up the ball |
| 21:48.18 | youtah | :( |
| 21:48.31 | youtah | I love doing automation full time |
| 21:48.43 | youtah | and not being assigned to other random job functions |
| 21:48.58 | romanovic | come work with me and whip our QA non-engineers into shape |
| 21:49.34 | romanovic | wonders how many more years the QA engineers' output will be limited to engineering lists of manual test cases, and brute forcing them by hand |
| 21:52.09 | romanovic | I mean, they're great for usability testing. Better at approaching our product from the customer's point of view than the developers are. They're just losing out on all the advantages of automation, where it can be used |
| 21:52.14 | youtah | I mean, Automation is fun |
| 21:52.21 | youtah | I get to play with ESXi and Linux |
| 21:52.33 | youtah | RabbitMQ, Web Dev, Postgres |
| 21:52.41 | youtah | networking and hardware |
| 21:52.58 | youtah | Web automation, selenium, javascript, html5, css |
| 21:53.03 | youtah | Python, Bash |
| 21:53.10 | youtah | Robotframework |
| 21:53.45 | youtah | I dont know why a bunch of manual testers wouldn't be jumping at the chance to learn these things and play with them |
| 21:55.48 | youtah | I mean, this involves SSH key management/handling, cron jobs, understanding processes in linux, all sorts of fun |
| 21:57.25 | romanovic | yeah! why would you not want to jump into those? become the master of automation puppets. have minions do your bidding and work at a higher level rather than perform repetitive test cases day after day |
| 21:58.21 | youtah | I mean, i have everything pushing our tests into TestRail using their API |
| 21:58.44 | youtah | and watching a test run with 1200 test cases start filling with populated test results, is pretty slick |
| 22:15.02 | spangborn | youtah: meh |
| 22:15.11 | spangborn | Work probably wouldnât pay for it |
| 22:17.13 | spangborn | Both |