| 00:09.50 | spangborn | youtah with rabbitmq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImSKuM3p_ig |
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| 15:51.32 | jlp_znc | spangborn: that was priceless |
| 15:51.41 | jlp_znc | too bad it wasn't really youtah |
| 15:54.49 | youtah | lol |
| 15:54.53 | youtah | spangborn, you have no idea |
| 15:55.25 | youtah | BUT!!!! I got it |
| 16:02.51 | spangborn | no you didn't |
| 16:03.04 | spangborn | Some say that rabbit is still running |
| 16:04.54 | frostyfrog | And elmer fudd is still looking |
| 16:25.46 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2018/09/20/latin-squares-mathematics-and-cryptography/ |
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| 16:36.37 | aeryndunham | If I'm buying my first car, is manual a crazy idea? I want to learn, and I can afford this one car.... |
| 16:39.22 | shalkie | aeryndunham: Do you know anyone that already drives or knows how to drive stick? |
| 16:39.47 | youtah | throws spangborn into a pool filled with snakes |
| 16:40.04 | aeryndunham | shalkie: Yeah, my boyfriend knows how |
| 16:40.25 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: does he have one that you can practice on? you don't want to tear up the clutch on your own car :D |
| 16:40.25 | shalkie | Then I would say no. |
| 16:40.29 | shalkie | Not crazy at all. |
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| 16:40.36 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc: Haha no |
| 16:40.43 | shalkie | jlp_znc: +1 |
| 16:40.53 | aeryndunham | The Spark I went to look at yesterday was sold 10 mins before I got there |
| 16:40.57 | youtah | aeryndunham my dad and I bought my first stick at the dealership, and I hadn't driven one yet. He jumped in the automatic and took off. Driving home from the dealership was how I learned |
| 16:41.07 | aeryndunham | Found another one, even cheaper, only slightly more miles, but it's manual |
| 16:41.08 | jlp_znc | I learned stick on an old beater pick up truck (a f |
| 16:41.18 | jlp_znc | Ford Courier) that my dad bought for $200. |
| 16:41.39 | youtah | I <3 Manual Transmission |
| 16:41.41 | jlp_znc | find something like that if you want to learn. then sell it to some high school kid and buy the car you want. |
| 16:41.50 | youtah | they're fun to drive, and they give you so much more control |
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| 16:42.34 | shalkie | I miss my manual some days. |
| 16:42.39 | youtah | it's been about 3 years now since I have owned a stick... I miss it |
| 16:42.52 | youtah | but other days, when I am stuck on I-15... I REALLY don't miss it |
| 16:42.59 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 16:43.16 | aeryndunham | Every car Chris has owned has been manual (granted, he's only owned two cars) |
| 16:43.24 | youtah | lol |
| 16:43.29 | aeryndunham | I wouldn't be communting on a highway in it or anything |
| 16:43.31 | youtah | I think I am at like 18 cars I have owned |
| 16:43.37 | aeryndunham | Hah |
| 16:43.44 | aeryndunham | He had a Jeep in high school |
| 16:43.50 | spangborn | I only drive manuals |
| 16:43.52 | spangborn | automatics are too boring |
| 16:43.59 | shalkie | I really enjoy not having to deal with break, clutch and gas all at the same time on a steep hill. |
| 16:43.59 | aeryndunham | and then in 2004 he bought a beand new Mazda RX-8 and he just sold it last year |
| 16:44.05 | shalkie | s/break/brake |
| 16:44.08 | aeryndunham | Oh, we have no hills in Florida so |
| 16:44.20 | spangborn | You have overpasses |
| 16:44.25 | spangborn | aka slight incline |
| 16:45.28 | RyanE | I don't think it's crazy, manuals are fun. |
| 16:45.47 | RyanE | I like the 'don't touch the gas or brake' method of teaching stick. |
| 16:46.02 | spangborn | RyanE: I don't think I've ever seen that method |
| 16:46.04 | youtah | use the emergency brake |
| 16:46.04 | RyanE | start in a parking lot, level ground, in neutral. Don't touch the gas or brake, ensure the e-brake is off. |
| 16:46.05 | spangborn | Got a link? |
| 16:46.15 | RyanE | no, just start the car moving by using only the clutch. |
| 16:46.17 | spangborn | Oh and balance the clutch |
| 16:46.18 | RyanE | then try it again |
| 16:46.20 | RyanE | then again |
| 16:46.23 | youtah | I also love granny shifting |
| 16:46.24 | RyanE | then again about 100 times. |
| 16:46.25 | spangborn | Oh that sounds like a fun idea |
| 16:46.31 | RyanE | *then* you learn when to hit the gas. |
| 16:46.37 | RyanE | but you learn the clutch feel first. |
| 16:46.44 | shalkie | Not bad. |
| 16:46.51 | RyanE | it's too hard to balance all 3 pedals at first. |
| 16:47.17 | youtah | and granny downshifting (sometimes called double shifting) is even more fun |
| 16:47.39 | RyanE | yeah, my synchro on my Nissan PU failed on 4th gear, had to double-clutch. |
| 16:47.45 | shalkie | My niece got her license last year, maybe I should rent a stick and teach her how to drive it so she has the mad skillz before she disappears to college. |
| 16:47.46 | youtah | lol |
| 16:47.47 | RyanE | one of my kids could do it. |
| 16:48.00 | RyanE | my wife never learned. ***GRIND*** |
| 16:48.13 | RyanE | she could drive manual, but not double-clutch. |
| 16:48.59 | spangborn | I'm pretty good at double clutch |
| 16:49.03 | youtah | double shifting/double clutching/granny was the only way we could shift one of my grandpas old tractors |
| 16:49.19 | RyanE | yeah, nothing had synchros 'back in the day', from what I've heard. |
| 16:49.38 | youtah | this is what we used with the sage brush chain whips |
| 16:49.50 | RyanE | sounds wicked |
| 16:49.52 | youtah | I dont know whatever happened to it. I think he just dumped it |
| 16:50.15 | aeryndunham | Hmmm the car is just at a giant used car dealer, but I'm probably weird in that those make me nervous? |
| 16:50.40 | youtah | we'd pull it and the wheels would turn some gears, which would spin chains that would whip and chew up sage brush. Imagine a massive weed whacker |
| 16:51.07 | aeryndunham | https://www.floridafinecars.com/carsforsale/2014-CHEVROLET-SPARK-MARGATE-FL-Stock=97357 |
| 16:51.10 | aeryndunham | ^ I want that one :p |
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| 16:51.33 | RyanE | love the color |
| 16:51.38 | RyanE | (but not for me)... :) |
| 16:51.52 | aeryndunham | I love the color and I love that it is on the inside as well |
| 16:52.13 | shalkie | You are talking about going to a den of vipers, er desperate sales folks. They make me nervous. |
| 16:52.29 | jlp_znc | I dunno, that's pretty green. |
| 16:52.32 | RyanE | Yeah, don't go alone. |
| 16:52.38 | RyanE | It's not easy being green. |
| 16:52.49 | aeryndunham | Yeah I've only got a learners permit so I can't go alone :p |
| 16:53.31 | youtah | aeryndunham, I suggest you name it jiminy cricket |
| 16:53.44 | youtah | or just Jiminy |
| 16:53.46 | jlp_znc | starbug |
| 16:53.48 | youtah | if that's what you get |
| 16:54.23 | jlp_znc | 38k miles... do you have a mechanic you trust that can take a look at it? |
| 16:54.59 | eightyeight | <aeryndunham> If I'm buying my first car, is manual a crazy idea? I want to learn, and I can afford this one car.... |
| 16:55.25 | eightyeight | as a manual car owner, i can tell you that if my wife knew how to drive a manual, she would have been able to drive it |
| 16:55.49 | eightyeight | but, instead, we've found ourselves in awkward positions where we've had to figure out transportation, because she couldn't drive one |
| 16:56.06 | aeryndunham | I *want* to learn though |
| 16:56.24 | eightyeight | yeah. i understand. i'm talking about those around you who may not know, if you get one |
| 16:56.32 | aeryndunham | ohhhh |
| 16:56.40 | aeryndunham | It's just Chris and me, and he can |
| 16:56.45 | eightyeight | fair |
| 16:57.01 | eightyeight | however, you do have full control over your car shifting |
| 16:57.01 | aeryndunham | Nobody in my family would be able to drive it except my Father but they live in MA/NY so unlikely to come up |
| 16:57.13 | youtah | anti-theft ;) |
| 16:57.18 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 16:57.20 | eightyeight | this is handy in the snow and on hills i've found, where automatic transmissions sometimes want to do things i don't want the car doing |
| 16:57.36 | youtah | ^ this gets back to my control comment |
| 16:57.45 | eightyeight | standard transmission cars are generally cheaper too |
| 16:58.03 | RyanE | Of course, if you downshift on a slick road, you'll find yourself moving sideways, sometimes not on the road anymore... :) |
| 16:58.07 | RyanE | Been there. |
| 16:58.10 | shalkie | For used cars, I really like certified pre-owned from a <brand/> dealership. Then you get some measure of security with the warranty. |
| 16:59.08 | shalkie | I do have a friend that refuses to buy used. Which I get on a theoretical level, but on a financial level it is just crazy to me. |
| 16:59.37 | eightyeight | i buy new, then drive the car into the ground, after which, i donate it. heh. |
| 16:59.41 | aeryndunham | I would definitely prefer from a brand dealership |
| 16:59.41 | RyanE | I think if it's got a clean title, you're almost as likely to get a lemon new as used. |
| 17:00.00 | eightyeight | it's crazy to me to trade in a car that doesn't have 300k miles |
| 17:00.15 | aeryndunham | But.... this car is so cute.... and I can /technically/ pay for it outright, my bank account would take a massive hit though. Maybe I can get Chris to loan me half :p |
| 17:00.34 | shalkie | Positive side to others not knowing how to drive a stick is almost no one will borrow it. Kinda like smoking menthol. Everyone is up for bumming a smoke until they find out it is a menthol. |
| 17:00.36 | aeryndunham | I know what kinds of cars he's about to go pay cash for so he's got the money ;) |
| 17:01.21 | shalkie | eightyeight: I don't buy new, but I drive 'em until they scream for mercy. ;) |
| 17:02.03 | shalkie | My Trailblazer I bought around 2009 used with about 100k on it and I have it over 250k now. |
| 17:11.37 | shalkie | If you do look at that one, get it inspected by a mechanic that doesn't work at that dealership. Ideally one that you have a background with and trust. An inspection fee to avoid a lemon is worth it. |
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| 19:47.46 | romanovic | My wife didn't get her license until in her 20's, and then, doing driver ed with an automatic only. One year on her birthday we went out in my car so she could learn manual. She spent maybe 30-60 minutes in a parking lot and residential streets to get the hang of it, and she's been driving manual ever since |
| 19:48.52 | aeryndunham | Awesome! |
| 19:48.54 | romanovic | To this day she considers it one of her favorite birthday gifts. |
| 19:49.18 | aeryndunham | Huh, neat, I asked the dealership via their website if that car was available, and they sent me a whole video of it |
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| 20:00.19 | romanovic | Nice. That's how they hook you |
| 20:01.25 | romanovic | I've been browsing for my next car lately, but I can't afford it just now. I'm tempted to upgrade my stock stereo with a new Android Auto-compatible stereo and LCD screen, so it _feels_ like a new car |
| 20:02.22 | romanovic | used Android Auto for a couple of weeks in a recent rental car, and hates going back to a car without it |
| 20:03.20 | aeryndunham | Yeah, we had CarPlay in one rental and it was super nice |
| 20:03.32 | aeryndunham | I can't afford anything even near new enough to get that though |
| 20:04.03 | aeryndunham | I will probably buy a aftermarket backup camera though |
| 20:13.13 | spangborn | Aftermarket CarPlay is cheap |
| 20:13.20 | spangborn | Look at Pioneer AppRadio 4 |
| 20:13.27 | spangborn | Itâs what Iâve got, and supports a rear camera |
| 20:14.00 | spangborn | Itâs also got an HDMI input for reasons I donât understand |
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| 20:18.02 | aeryndunham | Oh, cool! |
| 20:18.04 | aeryndunham | I will look into that |
| 20:31.41 | frostyfrog | spangborn: obv. for your phone running Android Auto :p Not really |
| 20:35.16 | jlp_znc | anyone want to see Venom at the Gateway at 3:30 on 5 Oct? Logical Front is giving free tickets. http://bit.ly/2PSXWIn |
| 20:40.28 | youtah | that doesn't sound very logical |
| 20:40.31 | youtah | to front tickets |
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| 20:50.30 | jlp_znc | well, they really want to sell you their dell/vmware/wyse vdi solution, but you don't have to listen to that part. |
| 20:53.58 | youtah | Do you here why the snail painted a big Red S on his car? So when he drives by, people can say "Look at the S-Car-Go!" |
| 20:54.06 | youtah | Did* |
| 20:54.09 | jlp_znc | a hyuk |
| 20:55.00 | youtah | https://twitter.com/gabegundy/status/1042537452211077121 |
| 20:55.25 | youtah | "Emoticons in source code?" ^^ Poll |
| 21:09.05 | joshh_ | romanovic: i sort of looked into getting a modern phone-capable head unit for my 2012 nissan, seems like it's not really a thing at all |
| 21:09.16 | joshh_ | though they do sell a dvd with updated built in nav maps for like 200 |
| 21:09.27 | Migs | I prefer emoticons in git branch names |
| 21:09.35 | jlp_znc | gak, $200? for a maps cd? |
| 21:09.42 | joshh_ | dvd, its fancy |
| 21:09.47 | jlp_znc | oooooo |
| 21:09.58 | joshh_ | it might have been like 150 for one off and more for a subscription too, can't remember |
| 21:10.05 | joshh_ | but didn't bother of course |
| 21:17.28 | romanovic | joshh_: it looks like they're a thing now. Best Buy even has dedicated Android Auto and Apple CarPlay feature categories for their stereos https://www.bestbuy.com/site/car-stereos/android-auto-receivers/pcmcat1495052094624.c?id=pcmcat1495052094624 |
| 21:19.15 | joshh_ | hmm, i might need to look harder |
| 21:24.08 | romanovic | git checkout -b feature/remove-support-for-Migs-nonsense-emoticons |
| 21:28.46 | frostyfrog | emoticons? |
| 21:28.55 | frostyfrog | Like... a lobster emoticon? |
| 21:29.14 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 21:32.04 | Migs | https://i.gyazo.com/f7e340e9e467e35b4acec642fae04048.png |
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| 22:03.44 | youtah | snores |
| 22:11.01 | spangborn | lol Migs |
| 22:28.51 | RyanE | Best buy is still a thing? :) |
| 22:33.49 | youtah | lol Migs, just saw your screengrab |
| 22:56.45 | romanovic | Best buy is an easy place to go for stereo installation. Until Amazon starts including a free technician in the box with a new stereo who will perform the installation for me. |
| 22:56.45 | spangborn | I did mine myself |
| 22:56.46 | spangborn | I even had to program a controller to make my steering wheels work with my Pioneer |
| 22:56.47 | spangborn | and I had to use an Android(!) phone to do it |
| 22:56.48 | spangborn | steering wheel controls* |
| 22:56.48 | jlp_znc | I was wondering what kind of stereo you had bought! |
| 22:56.48 | spangborn | Pioneer AppRadio 4 |
| 22:56.49 | spangborn | It was stupid cheap from Best Buy |
| 22:56.49 | jlp_znc | "well, honey, I got the new radio installed, but now you can't steer the car" |
| 22:56.49 | spangborn | oh lol |
| 22:56.49 | spangborn | I missed the joke |
| 22:56.50 | jlp_znc | I have to go borrow youtah's android phone to fix that... good thing he lives in a straight line from here! |
| 22:56.50 | spangborn | get out, spin the car |
| 22:56.50 | spangborn | drive in new direction |
| 22:56.53 | jlp_znc | there was a car on that british car show that had no reverse gear... you would get out, pick up the back of the car and turn it around, then get back in. |
| 22:57.00 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfSS0ZXYdo |
| 23:00.18 | jlp_znc | best bit starts about 3:03 |
| 23:04.32 | jlp_znc | perfect car for aeryndunham |
| 23:21.02 | spangborn | lol that's great |
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